Maintenance fees demanded for destroyed condo in Lahaina
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- A former Maui lawmaker says she is getting demand letters to pay maintenance fees for her condominium that was destroyed in the Lahaina disaster.
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These corporate land owners gotta go
Bought after Biden came in. I wonder why
@@rickysampson8759 this is a decades long problem, absolutely no connection to Biden, trump, or obama
There's a strong case for landlords to be local. A San Francisco news reported that where landlords are local rents are considerably lower, less crime,
Two can play that game. The property has not been maintained. So I'm suing you!
Great Point! It certainly isn’t livable!
Exactly😊
That grass looks pretty well maintained
Hawaiiana management is the most useless management agency in
The lady needs to counter sue the association
She would then be suing herself, because she has to pay for the association to exist.
Crooks!
That’s an absolute disgrace! Greedy landowners/ property managers who should be ashamed of themselves!
the natives have it 100x worse.
@@xx133how many natives do you know who live in HOAs?🤔
@@Ciesiam how many natives do y know that *haven’t* been displaced?
@@xx133 you didn’t answer my question.
@@Ciesiam most of the natives that have money live in one
Crocks bullying seniors so get you a good lawyer & hold the company accountable & make them pay for your lawyer !!
I wonder how many others who lost everything are being bullied like this for a $$ shakedown. This is disgusting.
I was wondering the same thing? Nothing but greed. Shameful and disgusting. I hope she can sue them for harassment!
If insurance says "it's an act of God, we won't pay to rebuild", then couldn't she just walk away from her "ownership" of the non-existent condo? If she is retired, there would be no wages for them to garnish.
Pension and social security.
Millions of people are in this exact same situation and NO LAWMAKERS are coming to our aid, the support goes to BILLIONAIRES to collect the fees for property that doesn't exist.
Vote red no matter who
@@sunnydelight3046 I'll vote red after I've BEEN dead
@@cm6534 Let's hope you get your wish soon.
@@sunnydelight3046 To support these scammers?
@@cm6534 They won't leave you alone then!
There should be laws against that
That’s ridiculous. Crooked crooks. Do they really think this is something these former residents are responsible
this is terrible!! and its a local company too!!
Send them to your insurance company
Insurance doesn’t cover natural destruction…
Find them.
Tell the condo association they can take the condo instead.
So where's Josh Green when he said he's here for the people. smh
Condo Association? There should be no Association as there are no buildings.
Disgusting!! Property lawyers even aGREED to take on this case.
The lawyers are having a field day with this nonsense. Shame on them for charging any fees at anyone at all in Lahaina.
Who ever is asking for maintenance fees , need to be put in jail for extortion. NOW.
Building burned down a year ago...No way the accumulated maintenance fees (for a year) are ONLY 985$...Something more to this story than is being told...(like she owed this prior to fire)
There's an easy legal win, the Landlords would have claimed on the Insurance Policy for the property which would be classed as DESTROYED therefore invalidating any claims against the Tenants and making them ILLEGAL/FRAUD!!!🤔😏
Similarly, the Insurance company can now sue the Owners as they are still receiving money from tenants for non existing structures and property having already paid the Insurance money as Embezzlement!
As a former State Senator she probably voted for these HOA to do this.
Horrible reporting. Why didn’t the news station do any investigation into other owners and see if they too are being sent demand letters. That would be called work, getting the whole story.
I would assume they don't know where to find them since their Condo's burned down. 🤔
I sort of agree. Perhaps get the other sides story? Let the viewer decide?
Yes seems like a case for a class action suit. It’s a condo, there have to be many in her situation.
This is another reason to never live in a Condo or anywhere that has a HOA.
In Hawaii, there are hundreds of Condos! Maintenace fees are high!!!!
Yeah, because if your non-HOA house burns down you don't have to keep up your property taxes, your insurance, or pay the mortgage, right?. Not too bright are you sleepy?
She better pay them or they'll take the condo.
What a bunch of greedy people. Can the owners of the units sue the property manager/owner for not maintaining the property which in turn caused the fire to spread so fast?
This should be interesting how this will play out.
#disgrace #lahainaSurvivors R they maintaining the ash?
During Covid with our doors closed for nearly two years, our business credit card transaction processing company tried to make us pay $2,000 in made up fees we'd never seen before in twelve years. We did pay the monthly stand-by fee, hoping we could re-open any day. We had our lawyer push back HARD and they stopped sending the letters. All these people are trying to do is to save their own bacon, even when they're no longer providing ANY services. This approaches the level of barratry and should be resisted.
There may be running expenses like property tax on the land, liability insurance, utility hook ups, management company fees,, etc. Condos are run by the owners and elect boards. The majority of owners and board can make what rules they want within the law including setting or eliminating maintenance fees.
Yea, But Not like you live in it. Need a Adjustment.
Taxes are almost nothing on bare land. No management to be done either. No insurance when there’s no building.
When does this end for these poor people !!! 😡😡😡
These people have been through enough there has to be some fairness🙏
If they're using contract law to force her to pay, she can say the contract is null and void due to the fire and property destruction.
Corrupt departments...
Can you be more specific?
I’d counter that the HOA isn’t maintaining the property.
The HOA should have had insurance on the buildings and grounds. Nothing to maintain now so there should be no hoa fee until the property is rebuilt.
Logic says that she owes this prior to the fire and didn’t make the last payment, because it burned down. This is obviously not an ongoing charge or it would be much more than $900. SMH. Just pay the money and put it behind you Ms. Baker.
So this is a back payment she already owed before the fires? Why doesn’t the news disclose that? This makes a difference.
I would think she doesn't owe it. You can't do maintenance on a building that's not there.
I believe they are asking the condo owners to pay to cover the cleanup fees from the destruction of the fire. Not entirely sure.
Tell them to send proof of maintenance works completed in the period.
The only thing the condo board can do if she refuses to pay is put a lien against the property, so when she sells it, the proceeds would go to the condo board.
She should send the hoa a letter asking them when they were going to mow the grass, wash the building’s exterior et. and see what they say about that.
Until it’s rebuilt the only maintenance fees should be land taxes based solely on the value of the land, which of course needs to be reassessed because there is nothing there. Demanding payment on work and services that aren’t being performed is ridiculous. They should be sitting down with the home owners and negotiating.
You don't have to pay them anything . It will be laffed out of court
Ok the condo association survived the fire that burned down all of the condos, there is value in the land, and there should have been a master insurance policy on all of the buildings, and the individual owners should have had condo insurance on their individual units, as for paying association fees after the fire, that is a hard one unless the association tell the owners what the money is going for. The owners still have property rights in their units, and the question is will the master insurance policy, and their individual insurance policies make them whole, and in what time frame. Are they going to rebuild the units or sell the land to a developer with the individual condo owners being the beneficiaries?
This is an insurance issue, the inference is that this is simply criminal extortion.
People that are used to using association fees for their own benefit are upset.
Pack up & move and tell them to go pound sand
So all of the owners are paying their maintenance bills?
Yes as required by contract signed. It’s clearly states if the ground exists with ash on it. That ash is the property and it costs money to maintain the ash in place. These fees cost money and as stated in fine print must be paid till the signee expires. It’s all clearly stated in very small print on any Condo contract or HOA covenant. Ask any law office.
Tell them to fix the hole in the roof first.
Yes I'm being sarcastic to a ridiculous demand at a most unfortunate time.
But there are things that still have t be paid like Insurance.
Assessments and maintenance is for current repairs and a fund for future repairs. There is nothing to maintain. And+a new house should have no maintenance required.
Yup.
Pure fraud. Where is the district attorney?
Maintenance on a non existent property? Other than land tax that is.
I'm waiting for restitution centers to get expanded to include debt default because at this point it's better to just walk away.
Attempted theft. Criminal intent very clearly displayed.
The HOA owns the land. They only cost that I can think of continuing is property tax. All HOAs are required to a reserves. Those funds could pay the property taxes. This is quite a conundrum; a total loss yet there are still some expenses to pay.
She owed the money before the fire?
Bingo! Congratulations on being the rare person able to exercise logic.
The fire happened last year. They've tried charging since then and didn't pay. That's why it says late fee
@@DistrustHumanz You would think the Journalist would clarify.
Evil evil evil!! Let this be a lesson to people NEVER BUY INTO CONDOS
At the very least her management company still has employees to pay. Property taxes and insurance premiums are still due. Did her association have any loan payments? Just because the property is destroyed all costs don’t equal zero the same day. What am I missing? Owing $1,000 for the year is like $83 a month. What was her maintenance fee before the fire?
You are not missing anything. This former representative should know better and reveals herself as an airhead. All the points you made are valid. It's not clear whether the news report intended to reveal the vacuity of Baker's complaint or their own cluelessness.
@eikoGoldstein typical media these days... not objective, no sophistication.... just mindless bots trying to stir up the emotions.... sensationalism....
How could any real journalist not research further and get the other side.... even if the developer didn't call back- don't stop there! Call other property managers or even a lawyer to present the other side!! We need facts! We need objective reporting.....
@Solidbuilthomes You sound like you work for a HOA.
@westsailsmusic the journalist didn't use good objective journalism. One sided story kind of weak....
Are they rebuilding the property? Is she likely to get her home back? If not then she has no current or future interest in it and should not have to pay.
its not clear to me what this bill is for or maybe i missed it. Is it for 1 month or 1 year? If its for 1 year then its probably for property taxes
1:29 you can see 'late charges' on the invoice. This is money she owed before the fire.
@@DistrustHumanz you do not know that. Nowhere in the video does it show the date that the initial fees were accrued.
The fees are late because she refused to pay them
Companies are just ruthless now. Back in the day they at least could be shamed for behavior like this but nowadays they do not care
Now that it’s on the news it will stop
A fresh example that reminds me never to participate in an HOA.
Condo owners have a lifestyle that needs those maintenance fees.
Samething like land tax aunty. You have to pay its an association fee. As long as the grass and trees grow you still need to pay. You signed that agreement when you brought your home.
Im so sorry for your losses and I pray you find strength in this difficult time.
I hope atleast 1 of the 3 levels of government in this greedy counrty helps you and everyone else though these on going corruptions.
Don't pay them a nickle..they willl Loose in court
Well it’s public now, they’ll most likely back down and say it was some kind of accounting error or something. But in their minds, they gotta try, no matter how low they get, always gotta get that paper.
They should sue this hoa. Very unrealistic. Sue these vultures
She should be able to sue the association for not doing enough to prevent the fire from spreading!
She’s way too nice. This is so aggregious that it needs hard hitting pushback. There is no “working something out”.
Greed
Crazy...
Those protected by the "LAW "....
CAN AFFORD IT,AND THEN SOME
Sue them for failing to maintain the property in a habitable condition as per your agreement.
Sue the heck out of them and ask the State Attorney General to review their claim, I would do a Class Action legal claim as others are being charged for "what"?
is the condo going to be rebuilt? could the fees be part of condo rebuild reserve?
Property taxes, insurance, sometimes utilities still need to be paid. HOAs are owners themselves. It’s a sticky situation
What utilities? Is rubble
That’s so wrong
evil exists.
They can't win this unless they paid off the judge.
I feel so bad court is a nightmare and you need a lawyer. I learned first hand in Kona civil court the system is brutal. Prepare to be totally frustrated!
Just what are they collecting fees for. What do they have to maintain! Are they shoveling the ash!
What about Insurance?
Hawaii condo residents need to be watching what is happening in Florida. Warning, warning Will Robinson
Holy crap...
If your going to con someone, at least have some wits about it.
Sounds either like an automated letter system or somebody is pulling a scam. I’d hate to be the lawyer for the condo trying to collect this in court.
Hope the HOA gets ripped a new one by the judge, news media etc. Then when the judge rules in her favor she can then seek damages in the millions to hopefully destroy the HOA
Criminals asking for fees!!!
How is the AG of Hawaii not stepping in on this.
Another ridiculous request , when there is nothing to maintain! Get all owners to fight this! Are they charging her rent or a mortgage payment? 😢😢😢😢
What a bunch of greedy bastards. An attorney needs to step up and represent the residents on contingency. Sue the company for millions in pain & suffering, I bet they back down.
Sue them for fraud🤥.
That's not how it works. Holy moley and you were elected an official. WOW!!
Think of an HOA as a little wannabe gov't agency who would just love that "A" to stand for "Authority". And just like all little gov't agencies, they're out of control.
That's just plain greed!
What a scum bag company.
The owners administration should move faster to either rebuild or collect the insurance and dissolve the COA.
But unfortunately yes until these are done, they are still responsible for the COA fees until resolution is complete in the same way that the mortgage is still due.
The unit owners individual insurance policy covers loss of use so they shouldn't be paying for the new place of temporary residency.
Insanity they didn’t keep it from burn/ing
They should wave the fees until she is living there again.
Why isn't the maintenance fee which include association’s insurance, which protects the building and common areas from fire damage. Why are they not in forming the condominium owners when they plan to rebuild condominium and while that being done why is the insurance company not accommodating the owners a place to live. Something wrong here as maintenance fee includes the insurance fire insurance for the building. If the insurance company are doing their job, then the owner is only reliable to pay for the Insurance policy of the maintenance fee as there is no common areas to be maintained.
Roz, you and the other condo owners are the condo association.