What were the differences between the North and South before the Civil War?
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- We had the privilege to hear Historian, Author and Professor Gary Gallagher talk about the differences between Northern and Southern society in the United States before the Civil War began.
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The most informative 2 minutes and 46 seconds I have had in a long time. Thanks 👍🏻
Did you catch the detail though?
It slipped right by if you weren't paying attention.
The Southern political mentality wasn't just "slaves", but also consisted of a "despised poor white class".
This is the same as today. Poor whites, including white supremacists, think that they, and the white politicians are one group, which is fine with the white politicians.
But the fact is that white politicians use the poor white population's joint hatred of blacks as a smoke screen for the fact that the white politicians not only hate the blacks, but also hate the poor white class as well.
I've been saying this all along, how can hard working middle income and lower income people possibly think that Trump, a person who has never worked a day in his life, and who has zero legitimate traditional values of the "Christian" middle and lower income families, possibly believe that Trump represents them in any way?
Rich slave owners didn't identify with the poor white class back then (there was no such group as "middle class" back then), and in fact hated them, (color was relevant only relevant in HOW they exercised that hatred, vs black slaves), and it is the same today.
Trump hates poor people of all colors, but he needs their votes to be president. How middle and poor income whites don't see this is just staggering.
Once in office, Trump passes PERMANENT tax cuts for the rich, and TEMPORARY tax cuts for the non-rich.
Trump's Covid "stimulus" (Socialist welfare) package, gave non-rich families $1200, but gave the richest 1% a check for $1,200,000, plus trillions of dollars to rich business owners, (primarily white people), that didn't require payback or accountability, yet poor and middle income Trump supporters are in total denial of the fact that we are a Socialist nation, and the fact that Trump hates non-rich whites, just like the politicians back in the Civil War era.
It defies all comprehension that people can completely deny overwhelming facts and only see what they want to see.
I have Gary Gallagher’s Great Courses series of lectures he did on the American Civil War. Well worth seeking out.
And I agree: divisions persist to this day. That said, the same is true elsewhere around the world. Likely it’s a human thing.
And yet, as Shelby Foote pointed out, before the Civil War this country was always referred to as “these United States” (ie, plural). After the Civil War, we became the United States.
There are only 3 kinds of people in the US, southerners, northerners and Yankees who are people with pride and indifference
I really needed this for school thank you for making this video.
You're welcome, thanks for letting us know!
we are very much in the same place, left vs. right, today. the problem is we are not as cleanly geographically divided this time.
And neither side has an army.
“Refused to accept anything positive about the other side” is such an applicable statement for today. I wonder how history will judge us with all our hate over something so petty as partisan affiliation
@@josephblumenthal1228 You do realize it is not about partisan affiliation, but the ideas which define that affiliation, right?
I am thinking the same thing. I think separations will be between states rather than simply north/south
The civil war was not about slavery or racism. Was about taxes, the south wanted to trades his goods and import. The north wanted to protect his industry.
Economic disputes between the North and South existed even before the Revolutionary War, and things got even worse after 1828. This mean that the South’s only option was to buy from the North. The tax argument, presented in historical winner historiography was that the north payed more, but that is not the point. The point was THE taxes.
Another thing that is not discussed was about the nature and development of capitalism at that time.
Capitalism cant sustain without exploration. England for example had to dismantle India and Portugal's textile manufacture in order to industrialize. They had colonies for raw materials.
U.S had none of this and the solution was found in his own territory. Expansion and migration. The colonialism period.
U.S was organized in sections, north, south, pacific section they competed with each other.
To put it simple, the exploration of the south, like market reserve, was a must for capitalism development in US.
This lead to a breaking point.
When Lincoln invaded the justification was to "keep the union together".
He broke the pact of America foundation.
Only later after some consideration they found a better justification to this.
I love Gary! My favorite historian! Get this man his own channel and do long QandA
All your short videos should be played in school, for kids to know our history.
I fully agree. The truth should be told from both perspectives and let the students decide what side was right.. For they were all Americans in a "Democratic REPUBLIC!." And Abraham Lincoln would NOT Negotiate!
well that partially became true, I had to watch this for school today
Was there one person at the time on either side who accurately saw what was coming?
Cool analysis ! That guy's awesome
More Gary, more Gary, more Gary!
Hi folks, a non-American here: I'd like help with a question, I've only ever heard of in passing comments or movies: how was slavery discussed in the Southern States prior to the civil war? It seems, that the debate was raging there just a viciously and slavery might as well was on its way out in any case...could someone explsin or point me to a credible source, please? Thanks in advance!
I'm doing an assignment and I couldn't find a better more in-depth video than this. This is super informative and helped me a lot.
Gary Gallagher is good!
Hope American Battlefield Trust makes documentary series
When ignorant people can be Fooled into Fighting, Other’s Wars.
Peace Will Never Succeed.
War is life it’s part of the human condition and will never go away.
....Upon the left bank(the south) of the stream the population is rare; from time to time one descries a troop of slaves loitering in the half-desert fields; the primeval forest recurs at every turn; society seems to be asleep, man to be idle, and nature alone offers a scene of activity and of life.
From the right bank(the north)on the contrary, a confused hum is heard, which proclaims the presence of industry; the fields are covered with abundant harvests; the elegance of the dwellings announces the taste and activity of the labourer; and man appears to be in the enjoyment of that wealth and contentment which are the reward of labour.
de Tocqueville
Note......when the North freed their slaves they left an open window allowing Northern slaveholders to take their slaves South and sell them.........Deo Vindice
Yes they did. The states of Connecticut and New Jersey combined had more slaves than ENTIRE South.
The first slave sold on the North American Continent was A black man, from Ireland, named Archer. Who owned a 300 acre plantation in New Jersey. When Archer purchased 4 Scotish women as slaves.
The earliest slaves, on the North American Continent was Scot and Irish POWs from Englands war with Ireland and Scotland.. The King of England, did not want to feed the POWS, SO,the king gave the POWs a choice: Either come to North America and pick Tea on his plantations in SC, or be hung?
England sold there first Scot and Irish POWs to the Cherokee. Before there was any AFRICANS brought to North America.
@@savanahmclary4465 .........you know your history......and only 4% of African slaves were brought to North America........👍
@@savanahmclary4465 So when are these statistics of Northern slavery?
It is in the dated, archived individual, States records.
@@savanahmclary4465 So when are the statistics of Northern slavery? About 1700? And no one considers indentured servants to be slaves. Different words, different meanings.
All we ask is to be let alone.
- Jefferson Davis.
Of course they would. "Alone" in perpetuating the antebellum status quo, cornerstone of which was their 'peculiar institution'... However, on a political level his premise was totally unfounded to begin with, since the Union of the States was conceived by the founding fathers as perpetual and binding one: it was neither a league nor a compact. Hence, secession was by definition an act of rebellion, an act of aggression towards the very founding principles of a federal nation... And as ole Jeff would soon discover himself during the Civil War, the whole 'states rights' Vs a strong central government conflict would take its toll in their newly formed Confederacy. Not to mention that the CSA's own Constitution explicitly forbade any notions of secession. Quite ironic, ain't it? ;-)
@Roger Wilco What part of "Let Alone" didn't you understand?
@Roger Wilco
- Decontrol.
- Denationalize.
- Leave be.
- Not interfere.
- Not meddle.
- Not tamper.
Don't make it into something that it isn't or do you require a break down of that sentence as well?
@Roger Wilco umm yeah, what ever, carry on.
Yes, then get out of the country. Some did by moving to Latin America after the War. You can't just unilaterally declare that you are entitled to US soil and Federal properties.
Watch The Twilight Zone episode 'The Passersby' and listen to Lavinia describe the Yankees. That pretty much sums it up.
Dammit! They were blood kin! This was a "POLITICIANS!" War!
Are you sure about this? Why did so many Southern Families move North of the Mason Dixon line and the Ohio River, before the Civil War? And they are still Southerners in 2020.
There are only 3 kinds of people in the US, southerners, northerners and Yankees who are people with pride and indifference
MY TEACHER IS DUMD HE SAID SIMETHING ABOUT ANSERS BEING IN HERE BUT I DONT SEE, HELP ME WOTH MY WORK
Why didn't the Spanish go into North America from South. What baffles me the most, why it took the EU so long to invade the Americas. Even the Russians why didn't they go into the Americas. All these countries had the power wealth, plenty of men and firepower. I've always wondered why this didn't happen until it did. The the first nation Indians were small in number's even then. That word I use because its the same word I use for what happened in my own country. Some of these tribes while being oppressed colectd and sent money to help the starving Irish. Blood is a brothers. And brother's in arm's. GENOCIDE by Starvation. 🇮🇪☘️
Hee Haw pretty much proves us Yankees were right.
About What? The War was over who controled the Families Wealth that backed and controled the USA. The North wanted a ONE CENTRALIZED GOVERNMENT. But with the Northern States having the majority in population, thus held the majority, in the House of Representatives for the Northern States.That would DOMINATE over the Southern States Representatives and would not allow them to participate, in the LAW making PROCESS.
The Southern States Representatives said, "No, not with our Wealth and Us not allowed a say, in the law making PROCESS." This had been going on, since Andrew Jackson days.
YOU GO stand at the OHIO RIVER at Louisville, KY. and watch the cars cross the bridge: Then tell me which one of those cars contains Southerners and which Car Contains Northerners? You can't! The only difference is a UNIFORM! .. How many wore Uniforms? And how many NEVER WORE UNIFORMS? I'll never tell! We were ALL AMERICANS and we still OUR! By 1863 Mr. LINCOLNS UNION was a coming apart. He was out of Funds and Out of Food. Illinois, Ohio and Indiana was sick of being Lincoln's Whipping boys for a War: So much so, that they wrote up secession Bill's in their respective states:And these three states united as the "NORTHWEST CONFEDERACY!" And they Secceded, They had already, removed their States TREASURIES, before the WAR and had taken it to Montreal, Canada. To be sure Abraham Lincoln had NO FUNDING FOR A WAR AGAINST ANY OF AMERICA'S PEOPLE: Over an event that should have been negotiated out, in the Congress. Neither of these three States had slaves.. it was against their States laws. True HISTORY..... This, garbage today is for a RADICAL Racist AGENDA to divide Americans.
If Robert E. Lee had not stopped the War .....to stop the killing... (Lee knew that the Southern Wealth that Abe Lincoln was TRYING TO STEAL was secure OFF SHORE.) If the war had lasted 90 more days. USA would been at a full blown Gorilla war fare. Northerns was coming South to join them.
The Union has 5 slave states and 70% of the south didn’t have slavery. People like to forget that.
and yet the Southern states seceded to ensure that slavery would not be outlawed by non-slave state. It's literally front and center in their declarations of secession. Also don't forget states like Maryland (slave but in the Union) were not allowed to vote to leave, habeas corpus was suspended and many pro-south leaders were held in jail without charge (to ensure that the state would not be able to follow the lead of the rest of the south).
People like you seem to forget that part though. It's not like the slave states that were in the Union were part of it willingly.
David Wrong. 7 confederate states didn’t mention slavery and 6 that did mentioned it like the U.S constitution.
David Slave states West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, and Delaware were part of the union willingly
David Article I, Section 2, added three-fifths of “all other Persons” ‒ slaves ‒ to the number of free inhabitants of a state for purposes of representation. This clause, by boosting the number of representatives in Congress for the slave states, guaranteed political protection for slavery. The same three-fifths ratio boosted the representation of slave states in the Electoral College during presidential elections. The slave import limitation, Article I, Section 9, prohibited Congress from regulating the international slave trade until 1808, 21 years after ratification of the Constitution. Not only was Congress forbidden from regulating the transoceanic slave trade, but Article V of the Constitution explicitly forbids amending the slave import limitation, one of only two such forbidden matters in the whole document. Lastly, the Fugitive Slave Clause, Article IV, Section 2, guaranteed nationally, for the first time, the right of slave owners to pursue and reclaim their slaves anywhere throughout the land.
- U.S constitution
97% of the Southern army were not slave holders and and the South did the same thing as the 13 colonies did 90 years earlier. 7% addional tax on cotton versus 3% on tea. Slavery today seems the fitst words spoken but was legal until 1863. IT was voted to eradicate slavery in 1792 but a Senator from New Jersey failed to show.The left today keep blacks in turmoil on voting. If they were to study the POC that was LBJ then they would see the light. When speaking of #BLM the Native American is never brought up. 40 million were murdered .There would be no blacks had they suffered the red man's fate
Yea. So what are you afraid of ?
You.
Why ?
What about foreign born population? Much much higher in the north
HI!
Government equals division.
Sounds not much different from today.
It's much different today: we are not divided over something so fundamental as slavery.
@@jacksons1010 True... But the rhetoric is just as nasty.
I clicked this video thinking that it was about North and South Korea
You said Christian and Protestant. I think you meant Catholic and Protestant.
No, he means that both North and South were largely Christians, specifically Protestant. There weren't many Catholics and Catholic migrants were distrusted both North and South. There is a long history of hatred and animosity between Catholics and Protestants that has only very recently gone down, and in some ways it still persists.
Lie,lie lie and more lies just like they do today.
Everything, and truth nothing simple why waste time on details would take forever if you can't see that it's helpless can't help Chao.
i think to me is better some state have there own country separate the south in north ,south have ther own money ,in imflastion , so they cant protict there values ,in farmers more , in people