I loved the video, it’s really well thought out but it’s hard to understand like others have said. Could you maybe do a video playing a game using these strategies?
The number system is for guesses other players make, if they show no card you put down three Xs at the asked cards in the column of the asked player. If they show a card (that you obviously can't see), you put down the next number at each card to show that the asked player has at least one of the 3 cards. (the number of one pair of asked cards needs to obviously be unique to that column (i.e. player). The rest of the video is about the logic you can use to combine the information from different guesses.
just subscribed a couple weeks ago after finding your monopoly videos. i’m stoked you’re covering my favorite classic game! can’t wait to see what’s next :)
Fun Fact! Our mom played cluedo with us once. She didn't know how to play the game. (this is usually a problem with her, she doesn't understand how games are played, think Mac in that one IASIP family feud parody episode, that's a perfect example). Anyway on her first turn she wanted to guess the murder, we let her do this because it didn't seem like a big deal.... and she guessed right! The murderer, the murder weapon, the location everything! She won on the first turn by pure luck! What are the chances of that? Genuinely one of the craziest things I ever saw.
I didn’t get it at first but understood the strategy as the video went on. I did have to replay the scenario at 6:09 like 20 times to understand it but I think I get it now. Edit: turns out I didn’t get it, but 20 hours later I watched the section 1 last time and now I think I *actually* understand
Haha, I totally understand. This was by far the hardest script for me to write because it was incredibly difficult to quickly articulate what was happening without going way down rabbitholes. Hopefully it made some level of sense haha, but basically I showed an excerpt from an actual game I played where by knowing every number represented a card that had been shown, since there's only one combination of cards where every number could be accounted for, that was which cards Peacock had, even though I hadn't yet solved enough information to determine her cards in a conventional sense. If you have any questions on it feel free to ask!
I did my best to articulate it somewhat quickly and concisely haha, it took me almost a year to write this cause I knew it could quickly become too confusing to grasp
@whatswhat2022 I think I got more of the strategy watching the second time through. My problem was that I have never used the entire notepad for one game, I thought that you were just suppose to use a single column for the entire game, not a single player😂 I relied way too much on memory and just hoped I didn't forget anything. I also haven't played in a couple years so I probably just need to play a game or two to remember all the rules and strategies. I love the insight you give to classic games and this was a well put together video. Can't wait for the next one!
I agree it could be very confusing, but try to rewatch this video multiple times if you want to, to try to understand it better. That’s what I’ve done. And, watching other videos online that can help you.
Very cool strategies. I knew some of that, but the number system blew my mind. I don’t quite understand it completely yet. I’m going to watch the video again to see if i can understand better.
One other tip: keep track of what cards you showed other players by writing an "S" for "show" in their column for that card. If they ask for a combination that includes a card you've shown them before (this may be rare but still)...well, you know what to do.
I didn’t think of writing in that column 😅 I just wrote the names out. Had shown one card to one player and another card to two players when I was forced to show one card two all of them. Those two players were very disappointed 😅 (Not sure if you are forced to show cards to all players in the original game. I have another version)
This video earned you a subscriber. This is close to how I play Clue already but overall a more coherent strategy. Definitely looking forward to more strategy videos in the future.
I thought I had Clue figured out, but never considered the fallacy scenario. Very informative. Would you be open to doing a more in depth video on fallacy alone? I think I kind of understood, but more examples would be incredible. Thanks for the upload!
Wish there was an example. I'm gonna have to rewatch this like 5 times to understand the number system. imo you kinda blazed through it and I didn't really get it by the time the video was over
Totally understand. The Creating a fallacy part was made from a real example, but for sake of watchability, I very much optimized the video time. Does anyone think I should make a video just on the number system?
@@whatswhat2022Yes. I’ve never used more than one column per game before. Grew up poor as a kid, needed to save on the paper at the time. What is this number system you speak of?! Great video & series by the way; please make more! :)
Great video! This is such an informative overview and I’m now playing with the number system! I didn’t really follow when u explained the part about creating a fallacy though, i think people would love to see a video about that in further detail!
Ngl, it has been so long since I've played Clue that I'd have to play the game to get an understanding of the rules again to fully understand this method. Great video though, very well explained.
Hey man, love the video. However, can you make a video for more details on the Numbering System? I couldn't find anything online. I was wondering, how do you know which number to put down for each player? If there are only 3 players, does that mean you can only have 1 2 3 on your sheet?
no , each number represents the actual card that the player can have for example : if Mustard asks about Plum , Rope and Library and Scarlett gives him a card it means that you have to write 1 to Scarlett's boxex of Plum , Rope and Library because she has one atleast one of them . reply if you want more questions
So in round 2. If scarlett shows a card. You put 2 in all the boxes (that the other player suggested) ? If in round 3. Scarlett shows no cards. (Do you cross those 3 boxes for her- cause she doesn't have any of those cards? ) if another player shows a card. For eg. Plum Then what number for plum do you put in their box? (Is the number in the box based on the times they've shown a card? Not what number round the game is on) Now we in round 4- Scarlett again shows a card. Then do you put the number 3 in all the boxes the person suggested, for Scarlett ? Does the round not matter? How do we work out the numbers for each person.
if player X guesses Peacock, Lounge, Dagger and player Y shows, you put a 1 in the box for Peacock, Lounge, Dagger in player y's column. If on the next turn, Player Z guesses Peacock, Study, Dagger and player Y shows, you would then put a 2 in the box for Peacock, Study and Dagger. (this means Study has one number (2) and Dagger and Peacock have both 1 and 2 in the box, and Lounge has just the number 1 in the box. @@safiyamoosa6050 The numbers do not correspond to the round or individual players, just the number of times that that player has shown cards.
at 6:42 if anyone didn't understand the idea of the Fallacy here's maybe a better explanation, in the scenario shown at 6:09 we know one of peacocks cards, the numbers without crosses represent the cards that peacock may have. We know that peacock doesn't have orchid so it's much more likely she has dagger or study than any of our other numbered cards. We also know that peacock can only have 3 cards. In cases where we have overlapping numbers (e.g. 1 2) we know that there must be at least 1 card contained in both of those sets, and as we know that there are 4 overlapping sets we need the case where there is at least 1 card contained in each set so with 2 cards remaining we have two different sets to both overlap and have 1 card in each intersection, the only case where this is true is 1,2 and 3,4 so those must be orchid's cards.
I've been working on this video forever and it was super challenging. Your comment makes me feel inspired about the future of videos on this channel, I'm working on a few videos that I think will be very good, thank you for giving me energy to work on them more!
I love cluedo mate, I'm also newly subscribed, and I would much need/enjoy a video on the numbers theory 😅 Great work tho!! you da goat of board games!!
@@whatswhat2022 At the beginning I only marked what I was shown and what I have shown. Now I write down all the guesses and look for patterns. Similar to your number system I can cross or tick things in retroperspective . When someone has not PersonA and WeaponB I can be sure she showed RoomC in the past. You basically give one number per guess, right?
New subscriber here, I almost never play board games, but I love learning about them!! Great work on all these vids, I can tell how much you love the subjects you discuss and they are very well put together :)
Thanks so much for this informative video! Struggled at first with creating a fallacy but makes sense now. Wow what an effective tool of logic to go for the win! UPDATE: see below. I thought I understood creating a fallacy. But I really didn’t after playing real games.
@@GabrielaHodyl update: I forgot I even posted this. when I wrote this I thought I understood it. Then I started playing real games and it didn’t work because I don’t think I really grasped it. So I agree with your post but asking if anyone else can explain it! Sorry!!!!
@@GabrielaHodyl I get the number system as well and explained it for others, but I don't get the fallacy part either because your scorecard isn't shared. Did you ever figure this out?
@@GabrielaHodyl He lost me there too. I get the number system, but when people don't see your scorecard, how are you misleading them? Have you ever figured this out?
In my house, we always conserved the note cards. So, you only got a single row per game... any added annotations had better be tiny or just in your head. As such, the numbering thing is quite interesting to me. And yeah, the one time I tried to make my own card, I somehow managed to forget a weapon. Cost me the game XD
For example, player green asks: Scarlet Dagger Ballroom Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them. If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
To Recap the Numbers: Write down numbers for the player that SHOWED a card. If the guess is Person X, Place X, and with weapon X, write down the number 1 in each of those spots in the column of the player showing the card. Next time that player shows a card, write down 2, etc. If no one showed any cards...well the game is over then. ALL numbers for a player must able to be checked using their cards, if they cannot all be checked, then something is wrong (fallacy rule)...if a card with multiple numbers is checked, it counts as all of them. If you still don't understand (someone asked for help and then deleted their comment): basically each time you write a number for them, it's one of their cards. So if a player has numbers 1 2 3 and 4, they must all be found at some point. But one card might be multiple - say candlestick was one of the possible 3 cards that PLAYER Y showed PLAYER X so you write 1 on PLAYER Y there. Say that candlestick was also like that for their 4th showing of a card. So PLAYER Y has a 1 and a 4 on Candlestick. Each number must be accounted for. If the player DOES have Candlestick (they might not, but pretend you find out they DO), that's the card for 1 and 4, so you would circle it, so that you know they have that card. Say PLAYER Y had numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4. That leaves 2 and 3. Those numbers must both eventually be circled. Otherwise someone cheated or something went wrong. So if they have only one card left that you don't know about....it must have a 2 and a 3 on it. Otherwise there would be a number not circled.
When someone shows a card to another player, you know it is one of three possibilities. So you number the three options. So lets say Mustard guesses Plum in the dining room with the candlestick and lets say Orchid shows him a card. We don't' know which of those three cards she showed, but we do know it was one of the three. So you under Orchid's column, you put a tiny 1 in EACH option, so a tiny one for Plum, and a tiny one for dining room and a tiny one for candlestick. Then as guesses continue, you will get some X in those spots. So once you have an X in say Plum and Candlestick, you know that Orchid showed Mustard the dining room.
So for creating a fallacy portion, it’s basically knowing that with the number system, ALL numbers in their column must be checked at least once. Therefore making some assumptions of what card they “did” show to see ‘if they have shown this card, then what other cards have they shown?’ And since in the example with the dagger, since only a 1 was assumed, it was impossible because there is no 2,3,4 spot to check for the last card. Therefore the dagger couldn’t have been a card they had, and like he shows, the last 1 must’ve been the card, and since it had the 2 it could also be accounted for as well. Then now they have only one card unknown, it must be the only spot with the 3 and 4 I know he said all this already, but putting it in my own words and seeing if I’m on the right track, and if writing it out like this could possibly help others understand too, thank you
I do not understand the number system which is essential to the rest of the video, as I am sure others do as well in the comments section. Could we get a better explanation of it and possibly also with a gameplay scenario?
For example, player green asks: Scarlet Dagger Ballroom Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them. If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
@@BenjaminTamasVeger the first time someone shows a card you put a 1 in every box they could have showed. Then the next time someone shows a card you can add a 2 in every box they could have showed, etc...
Thanks for subscribing! I'm glad you liked it! It took me forever to get done, I originally had planned to put it out an entire year ago but couldn't get the script to not be completely confusing
Another example of gaining info from a fallacy is like this. You have a 1 marked on Mustard and Dagger from one player, but you also have a 1 marked on Mustard and Dagger from another player. You can know that Mustard and Dagger are not the solution because you know one player has one, and only one of those cards and the other player has the other, even though you don't know who has which card
This would only work if the third ‘1’ was eliminated for both though, no? Because if not, it’s still logically possible that one (although no more than one) of the three is the solution.
@jenniferpepler5843 hi Jennifer any help would be great and thank you. I suspect I am not be following the notations correctly but please do explain, I'm keen to understand.
I'm having trouble understanding how the numbers system works. Why does the third one always have to be a correct answer? Why can't all 3 be wrong? And like others said, what if they guess a card already in their hand?
From what I understood: An important note: the method involves using the entire clue/cluedo sheet whereas before you might’ve (like I did) only use one column per game, to show whether the item was in the envelope or not, whilst in this method the columns are used to show whether a player has that card or not. The method works by finding out what the other players have. So the tick means that player has that card. If someone shows someone something, you know they’re showing 1 of 3 cards. If you rule out that player having 2 of those cards, you know they have the 3rd. For Example: If Player A accused green, with the candlestick, in the kitchen Then Player B showed Player A a card You’d put the number 1 next to green, the candlestick and the kitchen in the Player B column If you layer rule out that player B doesn’t have green or the candlestick you know that Player B must have shown Player A the kitchen. That’s why all 3 can’t be wrong: because Player B definitely showed Player A one of the 3 items. (There are many ways of ruling out Player B having cards, such as you having them, a separate player (like Player C) showing you them or by Player B saying they have nothing to show you when you accuse one of these cards or the ‘creating a fallacy’ mentioned in the video). Whilst figuring this out, if Player B showed someone something when mustard in the study with the revolver was accused, you’d put a 2 in the Player B column next to these 3 items. Then a 3 the next time and so on. It’s possible for the same box to have multiple numbers (for example (with the aforementioned example), if for their 3rd time showing Player B showed when green with the rope in the dining room was accused there’d be both a 1 and a 3 in the green box in the player B column) The number system is used so you don’t have to remember every accusation that’s happened, and can instead go: this player showed one of these 3 cards on their 2nd time showing something, and I know they don’t have these 2, so they must have shown that. (I’m not great at explaining things so this might’ve been equally as if not more confusing than the video, but I hope I’ve helped)
@bananawastaken explained a lot but yeah, basically, assuming a player can't lie, especially in an electronic version, they have to show a card so you know one of the numbers had to be that card
For example, player green asks: Scarlet Dagger Ballroom Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them. If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
I feel like i have to play the game to fully understand this, but what do you do for the people that ask for items that are in their hand? That was a trick my mom always did to catch me off guard.
Ask them for it? I always do that too, either to fool others or to narrow down my search (If I'm looking for a place for example, I'd say a weapon and person I have in hand. 80% of the time, other players will assume that I don't have one of those and either lose a turn try to verify it, or use it to accuse, either way, I win lol)
That's actually the scenario I suggest at 5:18 with the candlestick. I just assume people are going to do that often since it throws people off the scent, and then just as @flamethrow868 suggests, using it yourself can work very well to target specific things. I personally don't bother worrying about who has guessed what since I'm not going to make an accusation unless if a card row is completely x'd off
Feels like this video is relying on the viewer understanding the number system, but that system wasn't explained well. I'll take a look at some other explanations of the numbering system and see if that helps.
its also a bit of luck you need, if you get more locations on cards its easier, you dont need to discover all of the locations to eliminate, also if u're playin' with 2 players, you have 4 cards around the board, once my mom forgot the cards on the board, and that gave me an easy win.
I just don’t understand how he was able to eliminate the dagger I get if you cross off 2 of the 3 numbers that makes sense but I’m lost at the “every number must be accounted for”
Possibly, do you have anything in mind? Actually the last section about creating a fallacy is from an actual game I played, so that's why I used the screenshots of that instead of the blank Clue checklist. But it was incredibly hard to write a script for it in a way that quickly made sense, so I could look at trying to find another scenario
@@whatswhat2022 After reviewing your video and practicing about 25 games I get how everything you explained in your video works. However, the biggest part I don't understand is how the game can end in 3 or 4 turns (rounds) every time. I see it done consistently online but are they guessing or using advanced strategies not mentioned in your video? I agree with what everyone is saying that some real games examples with difficult opponents can be helpful. Thanks!
At 6:33 you lost me. How are you gaining a checkmark on dagger? I don't follow this 4 number concept and how it's misleading others. Otherwise great video
I know that everyone keeps asking but until I figure out the fallacy part on my own, could you explain it in terms of symbolic logic? If you could write out the argument into lines of logic I think that I would be able to understand why it works.
I take it back, after rewatching the video several times I now understand how the fallacy works. I imagine that there is probably a simple way to express how the fallacy works using Venn diagrams where each circle is a set of the cards with a matching number.
@@Gorillahamburgercan you explain it to me? Lol. I have seen so many comments of people saying they didn't understand it but now they do, but then they don't explain it and it's driving me crazy.
Each column is a different player: for example, if you were playing a game with Player A, Player B, Player C and if you were player B then: If Player A accused Plum with the Lead Pipe in the Lounge And Player B then showed Player A a card, you’d write the number 1 in the Player B column next to plum, lounge and lead pipe. The next time Player B shows something you’d write 2 next to the 3 possible items, then 3 the next time, and so on. Then, if you later learn that Player A has the lounge and Player C has Plum, you know that Player B must have shown the lead pipe on that 1st reveal.
If you pause at 6:37 then: when all 3 sheets are on screen then: The numbers tell us the player: showed either the dagger or the study the first time (as it has a 1 and it’s already been decided that they didn’t show the orchid); the revolver, study or scarlet the second time; the lead pipe, lounge or scarlet the 3rd time and the revolver or lounge the 4th time. The important part that he mentions at the start of the section is that the player has *three* cards and we know that one of them is mustard (as it has a tick next to it). So: If their second card was the dagger they showed it on their first reveal and only their first reveal. This would mean that they showed their 3rd card on their 2nd, 3rd and 4th reveal. As there’s no single card that they could’ve shown for all 3 of the reveals, it’s impossible for them to have the dagger, as it’d cause this impossible logic. (I’m not too good at explaining things so this still might not make sense, but I hope I’ve helped a bit)
Thank you @bananawastaken That was explained very well. This is taken from an actual game I was playing, where one answer can't be correct, so the dominos fall
BRO this strat is OPAF Thats a fact Ive won literally every game ive played since ive been using it in 7 turns or less, with 3 and 6 people. OPAF I swear I need to play a game with 6 people with all 6 using this strat, and see what happens 😂😂
Got halfway through the video before realizing that 1) this is just sudoku with more/less numbers, and 2) none of this helps if you've never played before.
Didnt follow. Pretty sure you told me to write down numbers without saying why you're writing down the number and why you're chosing that specific number.
I loved the video, it’s really well thought out but it’s hard to understand like others have said. Could you maybe do a video playing a game using these strategies?
Yeah that’ll be great I was thinking about that
The number system is for guesses other players make, if they show no card you put down three Xs at the asked cards in the column of the asked player.
If they show a card (that you obviously can't see), you put down the next number at each card to show that the asked player has at least one of the 3 cards. (the number of one pair of asked cards needs to obviously be unique to that column (i.e. player).
The rest of the video is about the logic you can use to combine the information from different guesses.
Yes yes, do this please!
The Clue movie is an underrated gem! Tim Curry is phenomenal in it!
Soooo good. Couldn't make a Clue video without plugging him in
Was waiting for your return! I teach game theory to kids and your videos have been of tremendous help. Thanks!
Love it! This one was challenging, cause I knew it might confuse a lot of people and I wanted to get it right. A lot more videos are on the way
just subscribed a couple weeks ago after finding your monopoly videos. i’m stoked you’re covering my favorite classic game! can’t wait to see what’s next :)
Thanks for subscribing! This one was incredibly challenging to produce but also a ton of fun. Got a few more in the works!
Fun Fact! Our mom played cluedo with us once. She didn't know how to play the game. (this is usually a problem with her, she doesn't understand how games are played, think Mac in that one IASIP family feud parody episode, that's a perfect example). Anyway on her first turn she wanted to guess the murder, we let her do this because it didn't seem like a big deal.... and she guessed right! The murderer, the murder weapon, the location everything! She won on the first turn by pure luck! What are the chances of that? Genuinely one of the craziest things I ever saw.
Makes me wanna try doing that 😂
About 0.3%
1 in 324
Easy to pick the killer when you're a killer.
Sounds like a sneaky mom 😅 Have you tried playing “cheating bumblebee” with her?
Your videos are a godsend for someone who has left their fate to luck in board games!!!
Love board games, love using math
I didn't follow completely. I love clue and feel I'm pretty good at it but did anyone else get lost during this video?
I didn’t get it at first but understood the strategy as the video went on. I did have to replay the scenario at 6:09 like 20 times to understand it but I think I get it now.
Edit: turns out I didn’t get it, but 20 hours later I watched the section 1 last time and now I think I *actually* understand
Haha, I totally understand. This was by far the hardest script for me to write because it was incredibly difficult to quickly articulate what was happening without going way down rabbitholes. Hopefully it made some level of sense haha, but basically I showed an excerpt from an actual game I played where by knowing every number represented a card that had been shown, since there's only one combination of cards where every number could be accounted for, that was which cards Peacock had, even though I hadn't yet solved enough information to determine her cards in a conventional sense. If you have any questions on it feel free to ask!
I did my best to articulate it somewhat quickly and concisely haha, it took me almost a year to write this cause I knew it could quickly become too confusing to grasp
@whatswhat2022 I think I got more of the strategy watching the second time through. My problem was that I have never used the entire notepad for one game, I thought that you were just suppose to use a single column for the entire game, not a single player😂 I relied way too much on memory and just hoped I didn't forget anything. I also haven't played in a couple years so I probably just need to play a game or two to remember all the rules and strategies. I love the insight you give to classic games and this was a well put together video. Can't wait for the next one!
I agree it could be very confusing, but try to rewatch this video multiple times if you want to, to try to understand it better. That’s what I’ve done. And, watching other videos online that can help you.
Very cool strategies. I knew some of that, but the number system blew my mind. I don’t quite understand it completely yet. I’m going to watch the video again to see if i can understand better.
One other tip: keep track of what cards you showed other players by writing an "S" for "show" in their column for that card. If they ask for a combination that includes a card you've shown them before (this may be rare but still)...well, you know what to do.
show them the card again cuz no new info for them
yes indeed, im surprised he did not mention that
I didn’t think of writing in that column 😅 I just wrote the names out. Had shown one card to one player and another card to two players when I was forced to show one card two all of them. Those two players were very disappointed 😅
(Not sure if you are forced to show cards to all players in the original game. I have another version)
This video earned you a subscriber. This is close to how I play Clue already but overall a more coherent strategy. Definitely looking forward to more strategy videos in the future.
I thought I had Clue figured out, but never considered the fallacy scenario. Very informative. Would you be open to doing a more in depth video on fallacy alone? I think I kind of understood, but more examples would be incredible. Thanks for the upload!
Wish there was an example. I'm gonna have to rewatch this like 5 times to understand the number system. imo you kinda blazed through it and I didn't really get it by the time the video was over
Totally understand. The Creating a fallacy part was made from a real example, but for sake of watchability, I very much optimized the video time. Does anyone think I should make a video just on the number system?
@@whatswhat2022Yes. I’ve never used more than one column per game before. Grew up poor as a kid, needed to save on the paper at the time. What is this number system you speak of?! Great video & series by the way; please make more! :)
I agree.
I got the number system I just didn’t get how the fallacy plays into that
You have the best game tutorials. Earned a sub!
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you liked it, I have a few more games on the way, just need to carve out the time to animate them
The GOAT is back
Hahahaha thanks! Finally got this one done, took me a year to get a script that wasn't confusing and finally animate it
Great video! This is such an informative overview and I’m now playing with the number system! I didn’t really follow when u explained the part about creating a fallacy though, i think people would love to see a video about that in further detail!
Ngl, it has been so long since I've played Clue that I'd have to play the game to get an understanding of the rules again to fully understand this method. Great video though, very well explained.
Either you're here to win or have fun, and both are a win
Nice, I figured this out on my own by seeing the symbols on the video game version. Looked it up to confirm this. Good video😂
Hey man, love the video. However, can you make a video for more details on the Numbering System? I couldn't find anything online. I was wondering, how do you know which number to put down for each player? If there are only 3 players, does that mean you can only have 1 2 3 on your sheet?
no , each number represents the actual card that the player can have for example : if Mustard asks about Plum , Rope and Library and Scarlett gives him a card it means that you have to write 1 to Scarlett's boxex of Plum , Rope and Library because she has one atleast one of them . reply if you want more questions
So in round 2. If scarlett shows a card. You put 2 in all the boxes (that the other player suggested) ?
If in round 3. Scarlett shows no cards. (Do you cross those 3 boxes for her- cause she doesn't have any of those cards? ) if another player shows a card. For eg. Plum Then what number for plum do you put in their box?
(Is the number in the box based on the times they've shown a card? Not what number round the game is on)
Now we in round 4- Scarlett again shows a card. Then do you put the number 3 in all the boxes the person suggested, for Scarlett ?
Does the round not matter?
How do we work out the numbers for each person.
if player X guesses Peacock, Lounge, Dagger and player Y shows, you put a 1 in the box for Peacock, Lounge, Dagger in player y's column. If on the next turn, Player Z guesses Peacock, Study, Dagger and player Y shows, you would then put a 2 in the box for Peacock, Study and Dagger. (this means Study has one number (2) and Dagger and Peacock have both 1 and 2 in the box, and Lounge has just the number 1 in the box. @@safiyamoosa6050 The numbers do not correspond to the round or individual players, just the number of times that that player has shown cards.
just watched this again, your videos keep getting better.
Thank you! Working on making them better!
I won using this method although I didn't understand the end and had to watch it twice to understand the rest
at 6:42 if anyone didn't understand the idea of the Fallacy here's maybe a better explanation, in the scenario shown at 6:09 we know one of peacocks cards, the numbers without crosses represent the cards that peacock may have. We know that peacock doesn't have orchid so it's much more likely she has dagger or study than any of our other numbered cards. We also know that peacock can only have 3 cards. In cases where we have overlapping numbers (e.g. 1 2) we know that there must be at least 1 card contained in both of those sets, and as we know that there are 4 overlapping sets we need the case where there is at least 1 card contained in each set so with 2 cards remaining we have two different sets to both overlap and have 1 card in each intersection, the only case where this is true is 1,2 and 3,4 so those must be orchid's cards.
Please make more videos! Your channel really makes me want to dedicate more time to board gaming
I've been working on this video forever and it was super challenging. Your comment makes me feel inspired about the future of videos on this channel, I'm working on a few videos that I think will be very good, thank you for giving me energy to work on them more!
Your videos are so underrated. I guess people don't necessarily want to win even though they say so.
Daaaamn this is very helpful and your funniest video yet. Thanks game daddy
I am not funny
I love cluedo mate, I'm also newly subscribed, and I would much need/enjoy a video on the numbers theory 😅 Great work tho!! you da goat of board games!!
I had not heard of this game, but I really enjoyed your video anyway! Thanks so much!
Helps so much! Going to have to watch a few times while practicing
You'll have to practice a few times before game night!
Love these videos, gonna be the king of game night lol
Love it
I love your videos, great background noise to rewatch over and over
I think you could have explained your number system better.
I do it differently and had a hard time figuring your methot out 😅
Oh really? How do you use it?
@@whatswhat2022 At the beginning I only marked what I was shown and what I have shown.
Now I write down all the guesses and look for patterns. Similar to your number system I can cross or tick things in retroperspective . When someone has not PersonA and WeaponB I can be sure she showed RoomC in the past.
You basically give one number per guess, right?
New subscriber here, I almost never play board games, but I love learning about them!! Great work on all these vids, I can tell how much you love the subjects you discuss and they are very well put together :)
Thanks so much for this informative video! Struggled at first with creating a fallacy but makes sense now. Wow what an effective tool of logic to go for the win!
UPDATE: see below. I thought I understood creating a fallacy. But I really didn’t after playing real games.
If you don’t mind, would you try explaining the fallacy part in a different way? I understand the number system but thats where he lost me.
@@GabrielaHodyl update: I forgot I even posted this. when I wrote this I thought I understood it. Then I started playing real games and it didn’t work because I don’t think I really grasped it. So I agree with your post but asking if anyone else can explain it! Sorry!!!!
I’m laughing at myself thinking I really understood it but actually didn’t. I wish did and wish I could explain it!
@@GabrielaHodyl I get the number system as well and explained it for others, but I don't get the fallacy part either because your scorecard isn't shared. Did you ever figure this out?
@@GabrielaHodyl He lost me there too. I get the number system, but when people don't see your scorecard, how are you misleading them? Have you ever figured this out?
that was so much info! i would love to see an example in a real game being played out
In my house, we always conserved the note cards. So, you only got a single row per game... any added annotations had better be tiny or just in your head. As such, the numbering thing is quite interesting to me.
And yeah, the one time I tried to make my own card, I somehow managed to forget a weapon. Cost me the game XD
I didnt understand number startegy and fallacy scenario, can you provide some more examples? Thanks for the video btw
For example, player green asks:
Scarlet
Dagger
Ballroom
Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them.
If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
An enjoyable video indeed.
I don't fully understand but i very much enjoyed the video.
Thank you for this video, before watching it I had no clue
Nice pun
Wonderful, another way to ruin the family board game night
Make sure you're on top
To Recap the Numbers:
Write down numbers for the player that SHOWED a card. If the guess is Person X, Place X, and with weapon X, write down the number 1 in each of those spots in the column of the player showing the card. Next time that player shows a card, write down 2, etc. If no one showed any cards...well the game is over then.
ALL numbers for a player must able to be checked using their cards, if they cannot all be checked, then something is wrong (fallacy rule)...if a card with multiple numbers is checked, it counts as all of them.
If you still don't understand (someone asked for help and then deleted their comment):
basically each time you write a number for them, it's one of their cards. So if a player has numbers 1 2 3 and 4, they must all be found at some point.
But one card might be multiple - say candlestick was one of the possible 3 cards that PLAYER Y showed PLAYER X so you write 1 on PLAYER Y there. Say that candlestick was also like that for their 4th showing of a card. So PLAYER Y has a 1 and a 4 on Candlestick.
Each number must be accounted for. If the player DOES have Candlestick (they might not, but pretend you find out they DO), that's the card for 1 and 4, so you would circle it, so that you know they have that card.
Say PLAYER Y had numbers 1, 2, 3, and 4. That leaves 2 and 3. Those numbers must both eventually be circled. Otherwise someone cheated or something went wrong.
So if they have only one card left that you don't know about....it must have a 2 and a 3 on it. Otherwise there would be a number not circled.
Totally
What?
Thank you. Is this the fallacy rule. I'm trying to get my way around it.
I got more confused with that comment 😢
Figured it out on my second watch. If you get stumped, watch it again. It helps.
this is great you got a new sub
Yay! Thanks for subscribing!
@@whatswhat2022 it's a simple formula. I see board games, I click
The numbers don’t make sense to me. What do they represent?
When someone shows a card to another player, you know it is one of three possibilities. So you number the three options. So lets say Mustard guesses Plum in the dining room with the candlestick and lets say Orchid shows him a card. We don't' know which of those three cards she showed, but we do know it was one of the three. So you under Orchid's column, you put a tiny 1 in EACH option, so a tiny one for Plum, and a tiny one for dining room and a tiny one for candlestick. Then as guesses continue, you will get some X in those spots. So once you have an X in say Plum and Candlestick, you know that Orchid showed Mustard the dining room.
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Love it!
So for creating a fallacy portion, it’s basically knowing that with the number system, ALL numbers in their column must be checked at least once. Therefore making some assumptions of what card they “did” show to see ‘if they have shown this card, then what other cards have they shown?’ And since in the example with the dagger, since only a 1 was assumed, it was impossible because there is no 2,3,4 spot to check for the last card. Therefore the dagger couldn’t have been a card they had, and like he shows, the last 1 must’ve been the card, and since it had the 2 it could also be accounted for as well. Then now they have only one card unknown, it must be the only spot with the 3 and 4
I know he said all this already, but putting it in my own words and seeing if I’m on the right track, and if writing it out like this could possibly help others understand too, thank you
Still don't understand
I still don't understand, can you explain it more
@@khatibmasjid6280 I typed out another way of looking at it that might help. Go check it out if you are still interested.
You're so underrated
Haha thanks! Just need more time to make videos!
love your videos, i would love if you did a video on wingspan!
My family just got that for Christmas, is it any good?
I do not understand the number system which is essential to the rest of the video, as I am sure others do as well in the comments section. Could we get a better explanation of it and possibly also with a gameplay scenario?
For example, player green asks:
Scarlet
Dagger
Ballroom
Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them.
If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
@@ninojaggie990i get that part, but how do I decide which number do I put in the box?
@@BenjaminTamasVeger the first time someone shows a card you put a 1 in every box they could have showed. Then the next time someone shows a card you can add a 2 in every box they could have showed, etc...
Sooo cool! I didn't get the fallacy part though. Could you make another video with more examples? Thanks!
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Thank you so much this is my favorite game
Thanks for subscribing! I'm glad you liked it! It took me forever to get done, I originally had planned to put it out an entire year ago but couldn't get the script to not be completely confusing
just an entertaining video, i dont know the rules to clue but i had fun
Another example of gaining info from a fallacy is like this.
You have a 1 marked on Mustard and Dagger from one player, but you also have a 1 marked on Mustard and Dagger from another player. You can know that Mustard and Dagger are not the solution because you know one player has one, and only one of those cards and the other player has the other, even though you don't know who has which card
This would only work if the third ‘1’ was eliminated for both though, no? Because if not, it’s still logically possible that one (although no more than one) of the three is the solution.
I think I understand everything about the advanced strategy’s of clue 🕵️♂️ expect for the fallacy part.
All i realized from this video is I may not remember how to play Clue lol. Still an interesting video. Waiting for next game.
Looking like a genius sounds great
Yes it sure does
Love this channel
Working on more videos!
I HAVE A BIG CLUE
That's crazy 🤯🤯🤯
what is it
I now can destroy my friends at both monopoly and clue
Why can you tick the lounge when there'll be 3 on Scarlett & Pipe and a 4 remaining on Revolver? I think you should create a video on Fallacy
I still don't get the fallacy part, but I do understand why the lounge is the 3rd card. I typed a lengthy explanation just now. It might help you?
@jenniferpepler5843 hi Jennifer any help would be great and thank you. I suspect I am not be following the notations correctly but please do explain, I'm keen to understand.
@@mikeclarke1935 I typed out a comment here explaining it in a different way. Let me know if you can't find it here. 🙂
I'm having trouble understanding how the numbers system works. Why does the third one always have to be a correct answer? Why can't all 3 be wrong?
And like others said, what if they guess a card already in their hand?
From what I understood:
An important note: the method involves using the entire clue/cluedo sheet whereas before you might’ve (like I did) only use one column per game, to show whether the item was in the envelope or not, whilst in this method the columns are used to show whether a player has that card or not.
The method works by finding out what the other players have. So the tick means that player has that card. If someone shows someone something, you know they’re showing 1 of 3 cards. If you rule out that player having 2 of those cards, you know they have the 3rd.
For Example:
If Player A accused green, with the candlestick, in the kitchen
Then Player B showed Player A a card
You’d put the number 1 next to green, the candlestick and the kitchen in the Player B column
If you layer rule out that player B doesn’t have green or the candlestick you know that Player B must have shown Player A the kitchen. That’s why all 3 can’t be wrong: because Player B definitely showed Player A one of the 3 items.
(There are many ways of ruling out Player B having cards, such as you having them, a separate player (like Player C) showing you them or by Player B saying they have nothing to show you when you accuse one of these cards or the ‘creating a fallacy’ mentioned in the video).
Whilst figuring this out, if Player B showed someone something when mustard in the study with the revolver was accused, you’d put a 2 in the Player B column next to these 3 items. Then a 3 the next time and so on. It’s possible for the same box to have multiple numbers (for example (with the aforementioned example), if for their 3rd time showing Player B showed when green with the rope in the dining room was accused there’d be both a 1 and a 3 in the green box in the player B column)
The number system is used so you don’t have to remember every accusation that’s happened, and can instead go: this player showed one of these 3 cards on their 2nd time showing something, and I know they don’t have these 2, so they must have shown that.
(I’m not great at explaining things so this might’ve been equally as if not more confusing than the video, but I hope I’ve helped)
@bananawastaken explained a lot but yeah, basically, assuming a player can't lie, especially in an electronic version, they have to show a card so you know one of the numbers had to be that card
For example, player green asks:
Scarlet
Dagger
Ballroom
Player peacock shows one of these cards to green, so you know peacock has at least one of these cards. You can add a 1 on your note at scarlet, dagger and ballroom, peacock has at least one of them.
If you find out later that peacock doesnt have the dagger and scarlet, you know for sure that peacock has the ballroom
thanks for the incredible content
Glad you enjoyed it!
Never knew there was actual strategy to Clue before.
I wish you made a video of a scripted clue match just to show this strategy being showing step by step and from round to round.
I feel like i have to play the game to fully understand this, but what do you do for the people that ask for items that are in their hand? That was a trick my mom always did to catch me off guard.
Ask them for it? I always do that too, either to fool others or to narrow down my search (If I'm looking for a place for example, I'd say a weapon and person I have in hand. 80% of the time, other players will assume that I don't have one of those and either lose a turn try to verify it, or use it to accuse, either way, I win lol)
@@flamethrow868 (Strokes invisible beard) I need to play more clue, i think the last time i played was in the early 2000s
That's actually the scenario I suggest at 5:18 with the candlestick. I just assume people are going to do that often since it throws people off the scent, and then just as @flamethrow868 suggests, using it yourself can work very well to target specific things. I personally don't bother worrying about who has guessed what since I'm not going to make an accusation unless if a card row is completely x'd off
Well said
I did use a very similar method for everything, except for the number sistem that is quite useful
Yeah number system is a must
Thank you so much for the tips!
Feels like this video is relying on the viewer understanding the number system, but that system wasn't explained well. I'll take a look at some other explanations of the numbering system and see if that helps.
I tend to throw others off by guessing cards I posses myself, aiming to reveal as little information as possible each time.
Wait a minute. Each column is meant to be per character?! My poor-ass was only using 1 column per game to save on paper… 🤯
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I know this would be absolutely boring and probably tons of people have done this but please do a chess vud
will you ever do game of life ?
I would do that. Might be a few videos down but if the demand is high enough
its also a bit of luck you need, if you get more locations on cards its easier, you dont need to discover all of the locations to eliminate, also if u're playin' with 2 players, you have 4 cards around the board, once my mom forgot the cards on the board, and that gave me an easy win.
I just don’t understand how he was able to eliminate the dagger I get if you cross off 2 of the 3 numbers that makes sense but I’m lost at the “every number must be accounted for”
I typed out another lengthy explanation with lots of detail. It might help.
Can you upload a case study?
Possibly, do you have anything in mind? Actually the last section about creating a fallacy is from an actual game I played, so that's why I used the screenshots of that instead of the blank Clue checklist. But it was incredibly hard to write a script for it in a way that quickly made sense, so I could look at trying to find another scenario
@@whatswhat2022 I was thinking a video of a game where you used this method and talked your way through it.
How many players does there need to be to win in 3-4 turns
Needs all 6 players to guarantee 3 turns, depending on things might take a few more
@@whatswhat2022 After reviewing your video and practicing about 25 games I get how everything you explained in your video works. However, the biggest part I don't understand is how the game can end in 3 or 4 turns (rounds) every time. I see it done consistently online but are they guessing or using advanced strategies not mentioned in your video? I agree with what everyone is saying that some real games examples with difficult opponents can be helpful. Thanks!
At 6:33 you lost me. How are you gaining a checkmark on dagger? I don't follow this 4 number concept and how it's misleading others. Otherwise great video
Never mind, I get it. The rest of your video is really great, but this portion is not explained very well.
What’s a good Tsuro strategy? Edge vs Middle.
I know that everyone keeps asking but until I figure out the fallacy part on my own, could you explain it in terms of symbolic logic? If you could write out the argument into lines of logic I think that I would be able to understand why it works.
I take it back, after rewatching the video several times I now understand how the fallacy works. I imagine that there is probably a simple way to express how the fallacy works using Venn diagrams where each circle is a set of the cards with a matching number.
@@Gorillahamburgercan you explain it to me? Lol. I have seen so many comments of people saying they didn't understand it but now they do, but then they don't explain it and it's driving me crazy.
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Can someone explain to me like I'm 5 how creating a fallacy actually works? Preferably with step-by-step/examples 😅
Me too please! lol
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I got a little lost with this numbers thing
Each column is a different player: for example, if you were playing a game with Player A, Player B, Player C and if you were player B then:
If Player A accused Plum with the Lead Pipe in the Lounge
And Player B then showed Player A a card, you’d write the number 1 in the Player B column next to plum, lounge and lead pipe.
The next time Player B shows something you’d write 2 next to the 3 possible items, then 3 the next time, and so on.
Then, if you later learn that Player A has the lounge and Player C has Plum, you know that Player B must have shown the lead pipe on that 1st reveal.
A lot of people have asked that, did I explain that part bad?
In the number system do you just always cross off the weapon and the person and then the place is always the card shown?
Next time try do how to win splendor / splendor marvel
What if on someone elses guess no cards they asked for were shown, do you x off all 3 cards?
vary cool thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Please do another one on risk
........ I need more examples..... or like..... all this writen down so I can intake the information faster
Can you explain the fallacy thing better
If you pause at 6:37 then: when all 3 sheets are on screen then:
The numbers tell us the player: showed either the dagger or the study the first time (as it has a 1 and it’s already been decided that they didn’t show the orchid); the revolver, study or scarlet the second time; the lead pipe, lounge or scarlet the 3rd time and the revolver or lounge the 4th time.
The important part that he mentions at the start of the section is that the player has *three* cards and we know that one of them is mustard (as it has a tick next to it).
So:
If their second card was the dagger they showed it on their first reveal and only their first reveal. This would mean that they showed their 3rd card on their 2nd, 3rd and 4th reveal. As there’s no single card that they could’ve shown for all 3 of the reveals, it’s impossible for them to have the dagger, as it’d cause this impossible logic.
(I’m not too good at explaining things so this still might not make sense, but I hope I’ve helped a bit)
@@BananaWasTaken thank you!! This helped a ton
@@rosemulet np
Thank you @bananawastaken That was explained very well. This is taken from an actual game I was playing, where one answer can't be correct, so the dominos fall
My clue board game is literally sooo different and has so many different things...
BRO this strat is OPAF
Thats a fact
Ive won literally every game ive played since ive been using it in 7 turns or less, with 3 and 6 people.
OPAF
I swear
I need to play a game with 6 people with all 6 using this strat, and see what happens 😂😂
Got halfway through the video before realizing that 1) this is just sudoku with more/less numbers, and 2) none of this helps if you've never played before.
What about if your only playing with 3 players?
Comment for the algorithm
Didnt follow. Pretty sure you told me to write down numbers without saying why you're writing down the number and why you're chosing that specific number.
I don't know if I'm stupid but I don't get anything in this video. Dude has to explain it like he would to a 5 year old or I'm out
this is OP, yo have a huge brain
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You should do terreaforming mars
Make a how to win TEG!!!!