Wow, thanks for this incredible video. I am a 54 year old woman, trying to make things easier on my body. Waiting for the delivery of my first fishing kayak. Thanks again😁
Placement was definitely my issue on the first day out. It was a rough start. But I'm learning what works and doesn't. Especially with videos like this.
I’ve literally just purchased a set of wheels for my kayak and first time out I put them at one end. What a fool! Thanks for sharing this, I definitely won’t make the same mistake again 🙂
Great educational video on using the cart properly. I am 64 and just bought my first kayak. While I’m loving the kayak on the water, it is labor intensive for me to carry a 37 pound ( yes, you read correctly) kayak. Thanks for helping me.
I am 76 and struggle with walking.I also put the wheels more central. Thirty years ago I would flip my canoe over my head , rest it on my shoulders and walk away. Ugh! Old age sucks.
Great video. I was just taking measurements to build my kart and was going to put it just behind the seat. Guess ill be moving to under the seat. Thumbs up on your video.
This is an excellent video... i really appreciate the time it took to do this.. I just encountered a health issue and this is exactly what I'm struggling with. Thank you.
Great idea for a video! Who knew? I would've just continued plodding along with my cart out back. Thank you, that'll save me some arm pumping power to land all those monsters!!!
I have a PDL 120 and have not been a fan of the bow handle. The stern handles are so much more comfortable. Using your demonstration I may come to like my bow handle. Thanks for the video!!!
Good presentation. You are correct that some experimentation is warranted. The optimal position for balance may not be optimal for fitting the cart to the bottom of the kayak and, as you demonstrated, additional gear can change the balance as well. Speaking of additional gear, it should be remembered that it may be necessary to be able to pull/control this 'trailer' while going up and down hills, etc.
I'd be carefull adding weight in a kayak while on a cart due to stress in one spot on the hull. The hull was designed to distibute the weight across the hull. Stay away from carts that insets into the scuppers as it causes stress on the joint in the scupper where the mold joins during construction. I've seen videos where guys were 8ut to sea far from shore and they had to rush back to shore while the hull was taking water. The back end of the kayak was submerged. The trapped air in the front of the hull was the only thing saving him. Once on shore they discovered a seperated scupper hole that was caused by his cart thst inserted in the scupper hole. Just an FYI for you all.
Great video. I have honestly never seen anyone using a cart at the stern, that doesn't make any sense. Glad you are showing people how to use it the right way, but I am shocked people do it wrong.
great lesson i have been hauling my 120 auto sport and felt w disabilities this was impossible to actually get to/on the water, but now feel this is so much more durable under the mid handle, i like the wilderness cart better than malone cart
Thanks, very useful info and makes sense to apply it out there. I'm thinking of making a vest harness that connects to a clip strap to the bow to make it almost zero, lol
This is exactly why I swapped out the Malone for the WS cart. The Malone never settled right in the optimal area to be placed for my Sportsman PDL 120.
Story of my life lol. I own large and heavy Predator PDL. Initially I went with boondox landing gear with inflatable wheels. Soon I realized that while inflatable wheels are probably beneficial on sand they make yak easily flippable if run over something on hard pavement. Or almost impossible to install on yak in the water. So I replaced them with c-tug sand trakz. Well then I realized that because they so back and close to stern I carry so much weight so I begun loading everythihng to the back of yack and assembling just before getting into water. Now I'm thinking I just need to get a small cart that i can pun underneath in the middle of yak and be done with it. Oh and remove 10 lbs of landing gear. Less is more.. Happy fishing everyone.
The information you provided was very interesting, logical, and educational. A “Duh!” Moment. I wish I had seen it sooner, as I just recently finished building my DIY kayak scupper cart. My Perception Outlaw 11.5 kayak has several paired scupper holes, with three sets being the same distance apart and the furthest set to the rear being slightly narrower. Unfortunately, I went with the narrower rear scuppers, which left me with only one option for the cart. As you have pointed out I should have chosen the equidistant scuppers, as that would have given me three different attachment points for the cart. This could have allowed for a better load dispersal option across the three attachment points. If I encounter any issues with my new DIY cart, I will build the next one to fit the three identical scupper sites.
my kayak is very heavy and I had all kinds of trouble with this situation (too heavy for me to lift so high to hit middle and my rudder is at risk of damage in the rear. it was easier to get the bar cart tied to the kayak just behind the seat while still on the trailer pull it down mostly off the trailer preventing ground contact with the rudder then lift the nose onto another set of wheels and tie it securely below my 2 batteries in the front compartment. Haha 4 wheels is the bomb and both fit in the rear plenty room on my 13ft Brooklyn kayak with trolling motor and blue floaties sticking way out but way back and out of the way. I have a 140c hummingbird dual beam fish finder and a fish finder I can cast up to 400 feet and watch a wireless screen in front of me. I rolled my kayak around my block to test the wheels and told everyone it was my new emotional support kayak
I am glad I have scupper holes almost directly in the middle of my yak. Made my own kayak scupper hole cart and I don’t think I have to pick up even 10 lbs of weight. Good video!
Just recently I saw a guy in a vessel very similar to your electric Old Town kayak on a local lake here in the U.P. of Michigan. When I went back to the boat lunch I talked to the guy and he informed me that it was the same Old Town set up that you use and mentioned something about an Old Town Forum. I was very surprized in how big and heavy it was (150 lbs). He used a Jet Ski trailer to transport it on. And, we both marveled at how you are able to transport yours on top of your Subaru!?
I have a catch 130 and just bought the CTug and put it on the back....omg I was exhausted by the time I got it to the water from the parking lot lol I was barring all the weight on my arms and the front holder
I only have 2 college degrees and educational background in engineering and physics, but I was still able to figure this out on my own 😁 It is amazing how effortless it feels when you get the wheels positioned just right. I just bought a PA and unloading it from my truck to the garage was easy, almost felt weightless. But I’m pretty sure no matter where I put the wheels, it’s gonna feel heavy pulling it up an incline though. Another great informative video of the small things some people take for granted, Tyler 👍
I have 0 College Degrees and Heavy is Heavy. And a PA14 or even a PA12 is are Heavy Tanks. Hull weight on PA 14 120.5 and fitted 144.5 if you put in your gear your talking 200+Pounds that's a Fat Heffer No matter where you put the wheels.
Amazing useful video! Thank you, I was wondering about how much weight I would acutally be lifting in relation to the kayak weight. This gave me confidence regarding buying a 100-pound fishing kayak.
This is great information but it just the weight of lift the kayak not the weight of pulling the kayak. The weight of pulling the kayak will remain the same regardless where you put it.
I like your video very much, but maybe you could get morein-depth And tell us how much weight the cart will hold and then change the tires to a beach tire and tell us the difference in the cart reaction then. what I’m trying to do is possibly use the heavy duty cart to move around my inflatable boat from my truck to the water and this would help a lot understanding more about the cart. Again, great video keep up the good work. Also let me give you a little more information. I have a 9.9 outboard motor and the inflatable boat is about 87 pounds so let’s just say it weighs around 200 pounds. My understanding of the hard wheels it will carry 450 and then the beach will I think will carry 350 I would still put me under the weight of what they say the kayak cart will carry
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can never get mine on properly. I always cause an embarrassing scene because it falls off on the side of the road lol
Thank you so much for this. I have wheels that are made to plug into my Hobie kayak in one position only - which is behind the seat. The kayak is 73lbs and it's very heavy, awkward pull down my street to the dock. I was wondering if backloading it with a cooler, the removable seat, the pedal mechanism, etc, might help tilt the balance of the weight in my favor and you just answered that. I'm going to try it out and see if it lightens it enough. Thanks again!!!!
Not unlike a long tongue trailer vs a short toungue… maneuverability is dramatically altered with the cart in the middle… just look at all the manufacturers images, the cart is never in the middle. Just because the weight is diminished doesn’t make it better
Does it matter which direction your cart is turned? I just got a Bonnlo and the kickstand always messes people up. Should the kickstand go in front (i.e. the direction you're traveling) or go toward the rear, away from the direction you're going? Also--thank you for teaching me this weight distribution thing! I'm elderly. I used to kayak a lot, then moved to Chicago where that river will kill you--not with white water, with fumes! But now I moved to coastal Texas and got a 50 pound kayak and this is going to make up for my diminution of strength! I can't wait! Thanks for thinking to tell us!
Would think this is basic physics, but it wasn't until I saw our neighbor walk a canoe with the wheels in the back. Once I helped him maneuver the wheels over the center he was like "oh man this is fantastic".
I think this mostly has to do with the cart you use. I have a crummy collapsible cart, and I could never get it into position in the middle of the kayak without it giving way. I'll keep this in mind for when I get a better cart.
I have two of those cheaper carts and I have rigged up a spacer with clips at each end to keep it from collapsing. I use two of those carts to unload my canoe and strap the cheaper one at the very rear when I am unloading from my truck so that cart keeps the back of the canoe from striking the ground and once its out and before I load everthing in it, I put the better cart more towards the center like he's doing and remove the rear cart and throw it in my truck, then load the canoe with my gear before I roll down to the lake. The better cart goes in the canoe.
Another absolutely vital tip I share with customers is putting your cart under the kayak (when applicable) while it’s still in the water! You can put the wheels under the kayak without having to lift it, and you can still keep all your gear on if your wheels can handle it.
I have 100 lb canoe. I placed my card directly in the center, to the point where it's almost perfectly balanced. I can literally lift the slightly heavier side off the ground with my pinky 😎 It's a similar cart to the one you have only I cam strap it in
The only kayak cart to use is the wilderness systems cart. It's got a 500 lb rating and works on all boats. Yes it's expensive but it's worth it. Under so circumstances should anyone use one's that go into the scupper holes, even if they are put out by a boat manufacturer. They stress the weakest part of the boat, especially when going over uneventful terrain.
exceptions might be: 1) the carts that go into your scuppers, so you have little choice where to put them or 2) systems like the Boonedox landing gear where they mount to the top of the kayak, so you're both limited to a fixed point of wherever you install it, AND people have reported cracking at those top mounting points due to the stresses of putting all that weight onto relatively small mounting points, so in that case you do want to minimize the weight on the wheels but both of those are good reasons to get a cart like you have that directly supports the hull over a larger area
Wow, thanks for this incredible video. I am a 54 year old woman, trying to make things easier on my body. Waiting for the delivery of my first fishing kayak. Thanks again😁
That's great! I hope you enjoy your new kayak.
Placement was definitely my issue on the first day out. It was a rough start. But I'm learning what works and doesn't. Especially with videos like this.
Foundations of basic leverage 👌👌
It's funny how easily we can forget how to work smarter, not harder. Thank you, my friend.
I’ve literally just purchased a set of wheels for my kayak and first time out I put them at one end. What a fool! Thanks for sharing this, I definitely won’t make the same mistake again 🙂
Very happy you made this video. Saves me a lot of unnecessary weight that I don’t have to carry.
I figured this out on my own; slightly overbalance the cart to the front so you have 5-10 lbs “weight” which helps with control.
Works a treat!
Great educational video on using the cart properly. I am 64 and just bought my first kayak. While I’m loving the kayak on the water, it is labor intensive for me to carry a 37 pound ( yes, you read correctly) kayak. Thanks for helping me.
Mine is 60 lbs, and I am 69
Kayaks are much heavier than that mine is 116lbs empty
I am 76 and struggle with walking.I also put the wheels more central. Thirty years ago I would flip my canoe over my head , rest it on my shoulders and walk away. Ugh! Old age sucks.
Wow! Thanks for this info. I’m a 67 yr old woman and wondering how I was going to get my bigfish 103 pdl to the lake.
Thanks for this great tip. Just got a kayak and cart. This video seriously just made my life easier. Thanks for making this video!
Great video. Just bought a kayak cart today. Very helpful.
I am today years old when I heard this! Brilliant mate!
Great video. I was just taking measurements to build my kart and was going to put it just behind the seat. Guess ill be moving to under the seat. Thumbs up on your video.
This is an excellent video... i really appreciate the time it took to do this.. I just encountered a health issue and this is exactly what I'm struggling with. Thank you.
SCIENCE!
Thanks for explaining it easily with tangible results displayed clearly.
Great idea for a video!
Who knew? I would've just continued plodding along with my cart out back.
Thank you, that'll save me some arm pumping power to land all those monsters!!!
I have a PDL 120 and have not been a fan of the bow handle. The stern handles are so much more comfortable. Using your demonstration I may come to like my bow handle. Thanks for the video!!!
Good presentation. You are correct that some experimentation is warranted. The optimal position for balance may not be optimal for fitting the cart to the bottom of the kayak and, as you demonstrated, additional gear can change the balance as well. Speaking of additional gear, it should be remembered that it may be necessary to be able to pull/control this 'trailer' while going up and down hills, etc.
Thank you for your video! Thanks to it, I know the best position to load my kayak onto the cart.
Plain and simple tutorial. Thanks. I appreciate the info.
I'd be carefull adding weight in a kayak while on a cart due to stress in one spot on the hull. The hull was designed to distibute the weight across the hull. Stay away from carts that insets into the scuppers as it causes stress on the joint in the scupper where the mold joins during construction. I've seen videos where guys were 8ut to sea far from shore and they had to rush back to shore while the hull was taking water. The back end of the kayak was submerged. The trapped air in the front of the hull was the only thing saving him. Once on shore they discovered a seperated scupper hole that was caused by his cart thst inserted in the scupper hole. Just an FYI for you all.
Great video. I have honestly never seen anyone using a cart at the stern, that doesn't make any sense. Glad you are showing people how to use it the right way, but I am shocked people do it wrong.
Outstanding video! Very informative, clear and to the point! Thank You for sharing! I am a new subscriber!
I learned this on my own the hard way😂 Wish I had seen this before then😝 Once again another super informative and great video! Thank you!
Excellent scientific methodolgy, my man!
great lesson i have been hauling my 120 auto sport and felt w disabilities this was impossible to actually get to/on the water, but now feel this is so much more durable under the mid handle, i like the wilderness cart better than malone cart
Wow. I just bought an Old Town 120 PDL and this is very helpful.
Thanks, very useful info and makes sense to apply it out there. I'm thinking of making a vest harness that connects to a clip strap to the bow to make it almost zero, lol
This is exactly why I swapped out the Malone for the WS cart. The Malone never settled right in the optimal area to be placed for my Sportsman PDL 120.
The problem is all my beer goes in the front hatch so it's always heavy
Squirrel alert, just off of the port bow in the brush line, at 1:34!
THAT! Was a great video!! Very informative!
I have the exact same kayak and wilderness systems cart. Just need to do both methods once with a fully loaded kayak to know what you’ve said is fact!
Story of my life lol. I own large and heavy Predator PDL. Initially I went with boondox landing gear with inflatable wheels. Soon I realized that while inflatable wheels are probably beneficial on sand they make yak easily flippable if run over something on hard pavement. Or almost impossible to install on yak in the water. So I replaced them with c-tug sand trakz. Well then I realized that because they so back and close to stern I carry so much weight so I begun loading everythihng to the back of yack and assembling just before getting into water. Now I'm thinking I just need to get a small cart that i can pun underneath in the middle of yak and be done with it. Oh and remove 10 lbs of landing gear. Less is more.. Happy fishing everyone.
The information you provided was very interesting, logical, and educational. A “Duh!” Moment. I wish I had seen it sooner, as I just recently finished building my DIY kayak scupper cart. My Perception Outlaw 11.5 kayak has several paired scupper holes, with three sets being the same distance apart and the furthest set to the rear being slightly narrower. Unfortunately, I went with the narrower rear scuppers, which left me with only one option for the cart. As you have pointed out I should have chosen the equidistant scuppers, as that would have given me three different attachment points for the cart. This could have allowed for a better load dispersal option across the three attachment points. If I encounter any issues with my new DIY cart, I will build the next one to fit the three identical scupper sites.
Bravo! Très belle vidéo, images très claires
Well done video. Thanks. I was watching for cart designs and this is helpful.
Thank you for the advice.🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Basically find close to center of balance for weight
Cool video! I don't think I've ever seen anyone explain this. Thanks for sharing!
Show me how you get it back in from the water and out of the water that’s where it’s difficult
my kayak is very heavy and I had all kinds of trouble with this situation (too heavy for me to lift so high to hit middle and my rudder is at risk of damage in the rear. it was easier to get the bar cart tied to the kayak just behind the seat while still on the trailer pull it down mostly off the trailer preventing ground contact with the rudder then lift the nose onto another set of wheels and tie it securely below my 2 batteries in the front compartment. Haha 4 wheels is the bomb and both fit in the rear plenty room on my 13ft Brooklyn kayak with trolling motor and blue floaties sticking way out but way back and out of the way. I have a 140c hummingbird dual beam fish finder and a fish finder I can cast up to 400 feet and watch a wireless screen in front of me. I rolled my kayak around my block to test the wheels and told everyone it was my new emotional support kayak
Great demo! Thank you!!!
That is a brilliant review and info thank you. I will be putting my wheels on my sit on top in the middle 😊
Very cool video, very informative for a new kayaker like myself
I am glad I have scupper holes almost directly in the middle of my yak. Made my own kayak scupper hole cart and I don’t think I have to pick up even 10 lbs of weight. Good video!
LOL no one told you yet that you will destroy your kayak by using a scupper cart???????? Seriously don't do it
Amazing how many folks don’t understand what center of gravity is lol. Cool vid, well done.
Must be Gen Z ers 🤣😂
You make great informative vids , thanks for your time.
Great presentation & demo!
Common sense. Thanks for showing I have been doing it right all along.
Just recently I saw a guy in a vessel very similar to your electric Old Town kayak on a local lake here in the U.P. of Michigan. When I went back to the boat lunch I talked to the guy and he informed me that it was the same Old Town set up that you use and mentioned something about an Old Town Forum. I was very surprized in how big and heavy it was (150 lbs). He used a Jet Ski trailer to transport it on. And, we both marveled at how you are able to transport yours on top of your Subaru!?
Great demonstration.
Fantastic information! Thanks!
The kayak handles are placed at the center point unloaded.
that totally makes sense TY
I have a catch 130 and just bought the CTug and put it on the back....omg I was exhausted by the time I got it to the water from the parking lot lol I was barring all the weight on my arms and the front holder
Wow this is amazing thanks for this
Thank you man this was very informative and cool to watch
I still get this question at least three times a day. I consider that good as it tells me our sport is growing.
Great video thanks for sharing
Great demonstration!
I only have 2 college degrees and educational background in engineering and physics, but I was still able to figure this out on my own 😁 It is amazing how effortless it feels when you get the wheels positioned just right. I just bought a PA and unloading it from my truck to the garage was easy, almost felt weightless. But I’m pretty sure no matter where I put the wheels, it’s gonna feel heavy pulling it up an incline though. Another great informative video of the small things some people take for granted, Tyler 👍
I have 0 College Degrees and Heavy is Heavy. And a PA14 or even a PA12 is are Heavy Tanks. Hull weight on PA 14 120.5 and fitted 144.5 if you put in your gear your talking 200+Pounds that's a Fat Heffer No matter where you put the wheels.
If I had a PA, Iid just wet launch off a trailer!
Great presentation. Thank you for the tutorial. Keep up the great work.
Amazing useful video! Thank you, I was wondering about how much weight I would acutally be lifting in relation to the kayak weight. This gave me confidence regarding buying a 100-pound fishing kayak.
Very nice video! I always had this thought running through my head, thank you for showing us. I’m looking to find one for my Vibe Seaghost 110.
The only reason to put the cart right at the stern is when going over rough undulating ground
Good demo and tutorial but my wife carries my yak so I don't need a cart.....
Thanks for intel boss, very helpful.
Wish I woulda watched this before I had to pull mine back and forth up and down a hill to the lake. Lol
Awesome demo! Very helful!!
Great tip. Thanks
This is great information but it just the weight of lift the kayak not the weight of pulling the kayak. The weight of pulling the kayak will remain the same regardless where you put it.
Simple high school physics of the see saw.
I like your video very much, but maybe you could get morein-depth And tell us how much weight the cart will hold and then change the tires to a beach tire and tell us the difference in the cart reaction then. what I’m trying to do is possibly use the heavy duty cart to move around my inflatable boat from my truck to the water and this would help a lot understanding more about the cart. Again, great video keep up the good work. Also let me give you a little more information. I have a 9.9 outboard motor and the inflatable boat is about 87 pounds so let’s just say it weighs around 200 pounds. My understanding of the hard wheels it will carry 450 and then the beach will I think will carry 350 I would still put me under the weight of what they say the kayak cart will carry
I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong but I can never get mine on properly. I always cause an embarrassing scene because it falls off on the side of the road lol
Black Walnut ...
Good video by the way~
The taxonomist in me is hard to suppress.
Thank you so much for this. I have wheels that are made to plug into my Hobie kayak in one position only - which is behind the seat. The kayak is 73lbs and it's very heavy, awkward pull down my street to the dock. I was wondering if backloading it with a cooler, the removable seat, the pedal mechanism, etc, might help tilt the balance of the weight in my favor and you just answered that. I'm going to try it out and see if it lightens it enough. Thanks again!!!!
I discovered this by necessity early on but I've always wondered why it's always portrayed incorrectly in kayak and cart advertising photos.
Thanks for sharing!
I assume it is not quite as nimble as turning radius with wheels in middle?
What wheel set up are you using?
It spins 360 no problem. I am using a Wilderness Systems heavy duty kayak cart.
@@spiltmilt do you strap it down or just sey kayak on and move around?
On concrete, grass, or asphalt I don't strap it down on gravel, sand, or uneven terrain i do
Not unlike a long tongue trailer vs a short toungue… maneuverability is dramatically altered with the cart in the middle… just look at all the manufacturers images, the cart is never in the middle. Just because the weight is diminished doesn’t make it better
I also found out that throwing the pedal drive in the aft end for carting helps tremendously.
Yes that would shift the load from your arm to your cart. That's a good tip.
Thanks for doing this 💯🤝🏼
Thank you!!!
Does it matter which direction your cart is turned? I just got a Bonnlo and the kickstand always messes people up. Should the kickstand go in front (i.e. the direction you're traveling) or go toward the rear, away from the direction you're going? Also--thank you for teaching me this weight distribution thing! I'm elderly. I used to kayak a lot, then moved to Chicago where that river will kill you--not with white water, with fumes! But now I moved to coastal Texas and got a 50 pound kayak and this is going to make up for my diminution of strength! I can't wait! Thanks for thinking to tell us!
Good point, needed said!
Brilliant!
It's all in where the centre of gravity is. People need to be mindful of inclines too.
Would think this is basic physics, but it wasn't until I saw our neighbor walk a canoe with the wheels in the back. Once I helped him maneuver the wheels over the center he was like "oh man this is fantastic".
Thanks for the great tip
Great Demo!!
Great stuff man!
Great tip, but havent you now greatly limited your lifting angle?
I think this mostly has to do with the cart you use. I have a crummy collapsible cart, and I could never get it into position in the middle of the kayak without it giving way. I'll keep this in mind for when I get a better cart.
I have two of those cheaper carts and I have rigged up a spacer with clips at each end to keep it from collapsing. I use two of those carts to unload my canoe and strap the cheaper one at the very rear when I am unloading from my truck so that cart keeps the back of the canoe from striking the ground and once its out and before I load everthing in it, I put the better cart more towards the center like he's doing and remove the rear cart and throw it in my truck, then load the canoe with my gear before I roll down to the lake. The better cart goes in the canoe.
Great video. Thank you.
Can you use this to go uphill on a river bank?
You'd want to strap the kayak to the hull but sure.
Another absolutely vital tip I share with customers is putting your cart under the kayak (when applicable) while it’s still in the water!
You can put the wheels under the kayak without having to lift it, and you can still keep all your gear on if your wheels can handle it.
I have 100 lb canoe. I placed my card directly in the center, to the point where it's almost perfectly balanced. I can literally lift the slightly heavier side off the ground with my pinky 😎 It's a similar cart to the one you have only I cam strap it in
Let's all go back to Physics class. The fulcrum and lever principle.
The only kayak cart to use is the wilderness systems cart. It's got a 500 lb rating and works on all boats. Yes it's expensive but it's worth it.
Under so circumstances should anyone use one's that go into the scupper holes, even if they are put out by a boat manufacturer. They stress the weakest part of the boat, especially when going over uneventful terrain.
exceptions might be:
1) the carts that go into your scuppers, so you have little choice where to put them
or
2) systems like the Boonedox landing gear where they mount to the top of the kayak, so you're both limited to a fixed point of wherever you install it, AND people have reported cracking at those top mounting points due to the stresses of putting all that weight onto relatively small mounting points, so in that case you do want to minimize the weight on the wheels
but both of those are good reasons to get a cart like you have that directly supports the hull over a larger area