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Everything you need to know about thickness-planer snipe
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- Опубліковано 18 сер 2024
- Everyone with a thickness planer asks this question at some point. My intent with this video was to explain the causes and solutions well enough that snipe never really causes you much trouble again.
I put a lot more work into video production that I normally do, using a new audio setup, ultra-high-definition video, a lot more time preparing and processing, and I sacrificed a few beautiful pieces of wood to the planer so you could see what was going on inside. If you find it helpful, please consider supporting the channel by liking, subscribing, and sharing with other people who might find the information useful. You can also send me a tip at ko-fi.com/thes....
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Technical information:
Video: Galaxy S10E cellphone at 4k 60fps
Audio: Rode Wireless Go and Rode lavalier microphone
Editing: PowerDirector 18
Planer: DeWalt DW735 with a Shelix cutterhead
Woods fed to the planer: Red oak, ambrosia maple, birch, and pear. Can you identify which was which?
Makeup and hair: Asked to remain anonymous, but they promised not to bill me if I dropped the charges
Chapters
0:00 What is snipe?
1:36 How machine design affects snipe
4:57 Proper infeed and outfeed support
7:12 Do the infeed/outfeed tables need to be flush or sloped?
11:11 Prepare your boards for reduced snipe
16:30 Sacrificial boards
19:49 Plan your plane train
22:37 Just cut off the snipe
23:40 Recap and conclusion
I've got quite a bit of experience, and I have to say this is a straight up, no nonsense, 100% correct video about planer snipe. Everything you say here is right on the money. Presentation is excellent too. Well done.
Thank you.
We recently lumbered a 36" maple, a 36" white ash, and a 32" pecan. After drying, we tried planing with a Rigid (Home Depot) 13" planer with 2 HSS knives ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxIzvvTi3_Qc8JnVdYYRJCvuoDC4QjTzeL . This job was clearly too much for that machine. The pecan was particularly difficult, due to heavy mineral deposits, and a sharp pair of HSS knives would be consumed by a mere 3 boards. We were also having lots of problems from chip bruising, due to poor dust collection. The shavings came off like straw and jammed in the 4" hose.We bought the DW735 simply to be able to run carbide blades, which worked brilliantly for the pecan. However, we found it to be a much, MUCH nicer machine. It was far more rigid than the "Rigid" planer, and far more accurate as well. But what I liked most about it was the dust feed. This machine has its own blower, which shreds the "straw" like shavings as they come off the cutting head and helps boost the shavings into the dust collection system. No more clogs! It's also nicely sealed so that the internals stay quite clean. This is just a well tempered machine that's a delight to use. It literally cut the labor in half. Just another example of getting what you pay for.
At only a few minutes into this video, I began watching this with the same intensity I'd watch the end of a James Bond movie. There is plenty of great information in this video. Thank you for sharing.
Well, I suppose we're both concerned about snipers from time to time. Thanks for commenting.
Best explanation of snipe on the internet. Fantastic!
Absolutely totally agree
You can't solve a problem until you really understand it. Great info. Thanks.
My pleasure, thanks for the feedback.
This is a great video. 100% insightful info, no wasted words or filler. The 25 minutes flew by and I learned a lot more than watching other planer videos.
@@whitneyseng5498 Thank you, I'm glad it was useful.
One of the best "Teaching Videos" I've seen. Well done.
Thank you
This is a fabulous video! Just got a 735, put a level through it, and the feed tables are slightly raised. Had I not seen your video I would have been scooping out my boards with no clue why. Thanks!
After trueing up the in-feed and out feed wings I use a little (very) upward pressure on the in-feed wing and near the end of the feed a little upward pressure on the out feed table. This eliminates snip.
Probably the BEST video about snipe I’ve EVER seen.
Being brand new to this I was amazed at your depth of knowledge on how a planer works and how to get boards to be of much better quality if planed correctly. The way you explained how to get bowed and cupped boards to plane flat was fantastic. I would not have been able to figure that out. After working with my new DeWalt 735x for while I'll have to re-watch this video... maybe 2-3 more times so all of the tricks and explanations sink into my memory. THANK YOU for a great lesson.
I'm glad it was helpful, and thanks for commenting.
Really, Really good video! Just the right pace and no stupid music. I have a snipe machine - the Dewalt DW734. I made a 6' planing bed, but that did nothing, except keeping boards from falling. Three inches on each end is waste (cutoff - I still save some of them). Sometimes an extremely light few passes helps and then I only have to sand. I'll try with the leveling of the factory tables next. And use the train method. Thanks again.
Jesus, this guy is good. This is by far the most thorough video on snipe that I have seen, and I have been consuming them because I just got the 735 yesterday and want to do it right from the beginning. I want to get the good habits early, so it becomes muscle memory.
Plane train, chooo chooo!
Finally the rest of the story has been revealed! Thanks for the great explanations!
Absolutely by far the best video I have watched so far! I wish I lived next door to you Mr Snekker!
Detailed, easy to understand, unbiased, incredibly well presented, multiple options offered - what more can you ask from a video
SUBSCRIBED!
Best video on snipe I've watched. Three great takeaways: thick boards that do not flex will hollow in the middle if exit/entry plates are elevated, table saw snipe issue, and jointer snipe (or in my case on a router table). You communicated these issues and their remedy clearly! Thank you !
As a new owner (not out of the box yet) of the 735x, this bit about snipe is all new to me, and made so much sense especially with your up close visuals. But the sacrificial wood is genius. Really appreciate the detail you went in to regarding all that. I want the helical cutter one day, but as a hobbyist who makes like 2 or 3 projects a year, not sure the price/time to install is that useful to me yet.
I'm happy to hear it was helpful.
I'm by no means a classic woodworker, however as much as I use my wood working skills, that I got from my shop class days in high school, this was probably the best, most well rounded explanation of snipe. Cheers! Subscribed!
Phenomenal video, especially the infeed and outfeed table explanation with the white oak 4 x 4. Thank you so much.
Thanks for a great video with looks inside the planer as wood passes through. Very informative and this ME appreciates the effort! How I attacked snipe on the same planer... I made a long bed from a piece of melamine and stiffened the board with square aluminum tubing attached to the bottom of the board on each side, leaving the center section clear so it can sit on the planer table. I wax the board periodically to reduce friction as the wood passes over it. This supports long boards as they run through, giving me time to dance around from the indeed to the outfield side of the machine to collect the board. This with properly flattened boards, (very important) virtually eliminates snipe. When the job is done I raise the cutter head and slide the portable bed out for storage.
This is by far, the best illustrative video of snipe I've ever seen. Great job and thanks!
You're welcome, and thanks for the feedback.
I had already decided to like this video at the end but the free ticket to snipeville made me chuckle so I liked it immediately! Thanks for the video
Very well explained! Just bought this planer and am new to this. Extremely educational.
😅 without a doubt the best video I have seen on dealing with snipe. I probably have watched 15 videos on snipe and this one is the best.
Thank you, I'm glad to hear it hit the mark.
I've watched a ton of videos on thickness planers and snipes and this is by far the most informative one. Very clear explanation on the cause and also the solutions. Thanks for making the vid, I really appreciate it.
My pleasure, thanks for the feedback.
I started this wonderful hobby about two years ago. I rarely experienced any snipes on my 735 before I started using thicker boards and beams until it became unbearable so I started looking for solutions. This the by far the best that I could find. Super informative and demystify a lot of my misunderstandings. Thanks so much.
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for the feedback.
Just placed an order for the 735x last night, your video popped up at the right time. Thank you fore sharing, very smooth, even biginner like me can understand in one pass
Thanks for the feedback, and congratulations on the new planer.
Sacrificial board.... never thought of that!!
That’s a great idea! Thanks, and keep the videos coming.
Even though I'm a professional joiner, and know all this already, but I like to watch vids like this sometimes anyway.
I must say, this video is extremely thorough and does indeed cover everything you need to know about planer snipe.
I wish I had seen a video like this six years ago when I started woodworking.
Alternate title: "Bald Ron Swanson gives excellent lesson on snipe in woodworking"
I was thinking the same thing. He needs a big mustache.
A piece of thin cloth on the hose secured with a clamp (as a chips filter) would prevent the chips from shooting outside and making a mess!
The air still venting outside and the chips are trapped in the can!
Thank you for the video!
Thank you sir. That hands down was the best overview of planer snipe I have seen to date. The tip about sending a sacrificial piece thru first helped me the most. Keep up the great content.
Thanks for the feedback.
An excellent presentation without any extraneous distractions! Thank you!
I just recently bought a DeWalt 735 and yes, I've experienced a bad case of snipe. However, this video by far is the best instructional UA-cam video in this annoying problem. Thank you so much Sir,
My pleasure
I've just watched this for the second time after watching lots of other planer snipe videos. I really like the way this one explains and shows it happening. If anyone only wants to watch one planer snipe video, I'd recommend this one. Much appreciated Ben!
Thanks for the feedback.
Excellent presentation! My father taught me most of these tricks when he gave me his old woodmaster, and I've been using them for a while with decent results. However, your explanations filled in the missing gaps and assured me why we do the things we do. Understanding is everything! (safer, better results, less wasted money & time...)
This is the best explanation of causes of snipe and practical ways to eliminate it that I have seen. Excellent photos show what happens when the board enters and exits the planer. Awesome!!
Good to hear, thanks for the feedback.
I’ve been watching every video I can on planers and snipe. So far this one is #1! Excellent excellent instructional video on planer operation and VERY WELL PRODUCED! All that from a fat old dude who knows everything except about planers. 👍👍👍
Thank you, much appreciated.
Just got this planer bc it was supposed to be the best in terms of snipe. Was disappointed when I still was getting it no matter what I did. This video made me feel much better and now have a deeper understanding of the WHY and how to prevent. Great job and thanks!
Good to hear, thanks for commenting.
OK I have the exact same planer. I also have a an 18" planer.
Do not attempt to level the indeed n out feed trays. If you do, you are guaranteed to have more snipe!!!
Slightly lifting up on the in feed piece and doing the same on the out feed, or better yet have out feed rollers that are slightly higher than the out feed tray.
Most of these videos recommend adjusting the trays. Don't!!!
The one comment about this planner being a bad unit, is simply full of it!!
Enjoy planning
Loved the rumor at the end
Late comment but this video convinced me not to lift my tables slightly due to the dishing explanation. I never would have thought of that. Thanks!
I ended up getting that exact Dewalt planer. I have short (~20"x2"x1/2") slats that I am using to make two cutting boards, and I'm getting heavy snipe on the front and back of the boards. The "sacrificial" piece and train technique is very helpful. It's been a long time since I had to throw a bunch of wood through a planer, let alone a portable one like the one I own.
Thank you. Your video is very helpful, even two years later :)
I haven't a thickness planer, thus no snipe, but I will keep these thoughts in mind when I finally get one.Thanks for sharing.
I was planing several 2x10 boards this afternoon of about 40" long each. I did use the train method and it does work well, but lemme tell you that a 40" chunk of 2x10 yellow pine with really tight grain ain't exactly light so be prepared to do some sweating and not playing around as things are moving through. You'll only have a few seconds from board to board. I keep my pieces on my workbench beside the planer. Yeah, the planer is a beast and heavy enough to cause a hernia, but tis life for certain projects..
Best video I've seen about causes and possible solutions to planer snipe. I wish I'd seen this earlier (like last night, before I planed a bunch of stuff), but it's never too late to get better. Thank you!
Thanks for commenting, I'm glad it was helpful.
Just bought that planer, glad I watched this. Thankyou, very easy to understand and helpful!
Good to hear, thanks.
Great video, I eliminated snipe by building longer feed tables. Mine are completely flat with end table as well works great!
Thank you so much for your clear explanation of and solutions for snipe. Your graphics were really helpful and the best I've seen. I am now subscribing and look forward to learning more.
Close my eyes and I hear Nick Offerman. Nice to know I can tune in here instead. Cheaper than an Offerman stage show. Nice comprehensive video too. Few people know what it actually takes to put a video like this together. You have done a fantastic job. The only thing I would add, and it's the reason I angle my infeed / outfeed tables up slightly... 4/4 and 5/4 stock will flex slightly as it's planed. It does minimize snipe, and doesn't cause any other issues. Planing thick timbers... different story. Thanks for the video!
Thanks for the feedback, and for the empathy. One of these days I might re-release this video with actual measurements, but it would take a lot of time and wood to do a statistically sound test. I recently started noticing a little more snipe with my planer, and manually lifting the boards was helping. Later, I noticed that my beds were no longer flat with the table. Making them flat again solved the issue. You're absolutely right that raising the beds slightly won't negatively affect most boards, and could provide a little insurance in case the beds slip over time.
Very informative and helpful. Thanks your time and dedication to helping those of us who really wanted it.
Thanks for the feedback.
As an owner of one of these and an extreme new user and new woodworker. I got these indeed and outfeed perfectly flat no snipe with boards under 3 feet
Excellent video, thank you.
You're quite welcome.
Nice job on the video. I have the DeWalt 735 planer with the original diameter Byrd Shelix head. I use some of these tips already, but I appreciate the good job you’ve done on this video, and I have a much better understanding of the machine and snipe than I had before.
Upgrading your knife roller to a helical type, like the Shelix one that you have, helps a lot. Lowers the decibel level by 10db too.
thanks, it was useful. I try my first planner today and I saw the snipe on 2x4, so now I need to try with the sacrificial board
Yes, some of us did read that far into the description...and loved your makeup and hair credits! LOL
Then my effort was not wasted.
Wow, this is so professionally and in-depth made video on a subject!!! Thanks.
Thanks for the feedback.
Excellent tutorial on snipe! I have the same planer and cutter head as you and for the little snipe I get, a sharp hand plane makes quick work of both the snipe and roughness left by the small carbide cutters. The less sanding the better! Thanks for the tips.
Sanding is the worst part of woodworking. Hand planes and card scrapers should be in every woodworkers inventory.
That is a great idea with the sacrificial board to reduce the snipe. Over all all good tips. Most of them I've experienced but I still learned something new from your examples. Thank you
Thanks for the feedback. I had to give myself a little refresher in the process too.
Thank you. This was one of my concerns before I have even bought a planer/thicknesser.
It's now obvious that the better the flat infeed/outfield support for longer boards, the less snipe.
Thank you for a clear concise explanation 👍
You're quite welcome.
This was so awesome! Thank you Sir. (Did love the “one way ticket to snipeville”
This is a really fantastic video! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge 😄
Awesome video. A natural teacher!
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for commenting.
I just bought this Dewalt and I am starting my snipe bucket right now……Thanks.
So glad i found this video. You did an excellent job of showing how snipe is produced and how to resolve this. Keep up the great work and thank you again for taking the time to explain it all.
I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for leaving a comment.
What I've done in the past is have on both sides of the piece you are saving, double side tape two longer sacrificial boards which will raise the feed and exit rollers thus no snipe happens at all except for the two sacrificial ones on either side.
Great video, best description of snip and how to solve the problem. Subscribed to your channel because of it. I'll also share your video with my friends.
Awesome visual demonstrations and great video Thanks
Fact-filled video, nice. I can attest to the minimal snipe on the DW735.
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks for the posting this. I'm new to woodworking and just learned a whole bunch! Awesomeness sir.
hot dog!! A year late but man, am I glad I saw this video!
Thank you for this; I love your teaching/instructional style!
Keep this channel going, please!
Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad it was useful.
No BS, educational, well done
SUPER detailed best info on snipe you will ever get.
This is the best video that I have seen on this topic. I finally feel like I have an understanding of the problem and I am confident that I will be able to minimalize the snipe that I am getting. Thank you.
Comments like this keep the channel alive. Glad it was helpful.
Thanks, best knowledge on the web regarding snipe
Wow. Fantastic job! Earned a sub.
This was super helpful. I appreciate how in depth you went. Thank you!
Thanks for the feedback.
That was an impressive video! Full of information, well thought out and presented, and super useful.
Subscribed.
Thank you, I appreciate the feedback.
Yeah a solid video. Comprehensive. Very helpful.
Best solution I've found, if you don't want to invest in the extension wings, is to lift up the end of the wood when feeding in to the unit and then lift up the beginning of the wood when it's through on the other side. I never have snipe as this evens out the pressure from the rollers. 👍 Good video.
Thanks a lot for sharing your experience.
You're quite welcome.
Excellent video, loved 'Dimensionally challenged' !
Great video and presentation. No nonsense and straight to the point.
This is the best video I've seen on snipe. Thanks so much.
Great video, you sound just like the great Ron Swanson from Parks and Rec!
I'll have to see if I can get him to do a guest appearance so we can banter about vegan bacon and slab flattening.
Read this and couldnt believe i didnt notice it
And now that you've said that all I hear is Ron Swanson's voice lol
@@RobBobTrades I'm finding myself looking for his videos to see if its all the time, or it just happened to this video
Didn't you forget the crappy music and the long-winded intro? 74yo mechanical engineer and life-long woodworker and I DID learn from this. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the feedback.
This was most excellent! I’ve tried nearly everything you touched on. You did an excellent job of describing the problems and your solutions.
I too have the Dewalt 735 planer. I’ve have found another thing that reduces snipe a bit more. If you’ll run a very light pass on slow feed at the end. Then lift slightly on the out feed end as the trailing end clears the infeed roller you can virtually eliminate any snipe that you get. The roller will have very little pressure on the wood and won’t slam downward as it exits the surface.
You just picked up a sub! I do woodworking also... and have recently posted a series of videos on making a walnut ships wheel. Now, please pardon me while I binge watch your channel!
I just press a bit down on the back of the board as it goes through the front, and than the front of the board as it comes out to avoid snipe :) unless its a really short piece.
@@Skippy0330 it’s tough to get those shorties through unscathed!
Hands down the best explanation and remedies for snipe. Thanks for an excellent video.
I'm glad it hit the mark. Thanks for commenting.
you my good sir have got it figured out. so many good ideas, thank you!
Great video! I bought the same planer last year and have been battling snipe the whole time. The only option for me is a leading and trailing sacrificial board so it's nice to see that I was on the right track. Plus seeing the inside was super cool. Thank you!
Glad it was useful.
great video & well done!! i've been a woodworker hobbyist since the late 60"s & still learned a few things you explained. thanks. Subscribed!!
Thank you, I'm glad it was useful.
Snipe can also be adressed by changing your workflow sligtly ... mill rough lumber as usual & when comes the time to plane it down to the right thicknes, if you need a 3/4 of an inch board, leave an extra 1/64 & do the final pass on the jointer
Simply a great instructional!!!
You are my new favorite channel. I especially like how you show inside the cowling...so much easier to understand when you can see it. Are you an IT guy? CS guy? My first WD had a whopping 10MB of storage...ahhh the good old days:-)
Thanks, hopefully I can keep up with expectations. I've been mistaken for an IT guy before, but generally not by IT guys.
This, like all of your videos I was fortunate to have come upon very recently, was just excellent in conception, very clear in explanation, and great in videography with illustrative graphics. I have no doubt your subscribership will increase significantly if you keep it up. Fortunately it also confirmed the things I do are right, or at least I have someone else thinking as I do! ... Thanks!
Thanks, I've been trying to improve the quality lately. The biggest challenge is time.
Great video brother. Excellent instruction. Just today I was planing some shorter pieces (14" or so) of myrtle wood and got really bad snipe. I'm going to level our the feed tables and use some scrap pieces before and after to see it helps. Thanks again brother.
Thanks for the feedback.
Clear and concise information! Thank you for your effort on this issue. I'm un-boxing my new Dewalt today...
Thanks, and congratulations on the new planer.
What a thorough and well articulated video. This is the first I've seen of your channel, and you definitely earned a follow. Thank you sir.
Thanks for the feedback, and welcome to the channel.
Excellent and very instructive video, I learnt a lot from this, thank you
Thank you for the feedback, I'm glad it was helpful.