No Shortage Of Bad Ideas Here
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- In this here video I go over yet another BAD IDEA by Scrub Cadet. They sure seem to make a lot of crap lately and over-technify everything with un-necessary computers and other garbage. See what went wrong already on this nearly new snow thrower a customer brought in for repair. And as always... There's Your Dinner!!!
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When I hear "electronically controlled", I don't walk, but RUN away!!!
Yep
Just like many newer vehicles that have components like water pumps that run fine when belt driven having "electronic components" added to them. I will be keeping my OLD car (2010 Toyota) and 3 snowblowers (Two 1969 and one 1971 Ariens) running as long as possible!
The other word to avoid is "smart". I don't want any of my appliances, plumbing, or other household items connected to the internet.
@michaelt1349 YES!!!!!! Electronics and plastic have ruined new things, a damn washing machine, WHY do we need all that bullshit on a washing machine that lasted WAY longer without that expensive, soon to be obsolete crap??
I drive my '82 CJ-7
@jeffpiatt3879 washing machines are a disgusting joke
Electronics on a high moisture machine seems like a great idea.
Good spot for corrosion!!!
Boats do ok. It's the quality.
Same with on chainsaws and cutoff saws ( stihl)
Yes but consider boat outboards, snowmobiles and off-road motorcycles have had fuel injection, electronic sesnors, ECU's,... for a few decades now and they are use used in or around water and snow.
Like driving a Tesla thru a flooded low water crossing.
This is why I will keep my IH Cub Cadets from the 70's and 80's running till I die. Don't want any of this new crap.
Still loving my 782
So it’s electronic throttle, but the choke is manual??? WTF?!?!?!? I think I’ll stick with my late 2000s MTD Snowblower with the 8hp Tecumseh Snowking motor.
Those are great and you can still get parts!
For the money Cub wasted on this useless tech, they could have installed an EFI on that machine which would actually be practical. Sometimes I think engineers get bored and come up with useless crap just to annoy mechanics.
NO, it's all about profit and GREED.
They tried that 4 years ago saw one at Homo depot when shopping for a new one It was bluetooth enabled I said NOPE and it was a disaster they stopped making it . The one I bought was a disaster too it caught fire !!
Some high end small engines actually do have fuel injection now. I’m not sure if it’s mechanical fuel injection or electronic though, that was a bit unclear in the video I saw. Makes sense since so many people are too lazy or don’t know how to maintain their own equipment these days.
@@ChristopherSteward-j8v It’s electronic. I’ll take my carburetors any day.
@@ChristopherSteward-j8v The guy thats been mowing mine has a commercial Scrub Cadet zero turn its EFI . when you turn on the key you hear the pump run for 3 seconds like a car does to prime it . I liked that machine until I looked and saw how tight the engine is shoe horned on 4 sides by metal you cant hardly get to it if it needed repair his starter failed and it was $1500 bucks to replace and service it The engine has to be pulled to replace a starter .
There's just too much worthless junk on equipment nowadays. I guess these engineers just want to show how smart they think they are.
Or they want you throw it away in two years and buy another one . Job security.
Its the stupid EPA is why we have all of this on everything .
@@metlframr I try to work on old junk it’s much more satisfying for me
But it has the opposite effect. They expose their stupidity.
@@jhonsiders6077California has a huge input into all this bs.
Keep the old ones running.
Agreed 100%...No electronics on our cars or other power equipment!!..
@@Biokemist-o3kSame here, that's why I love my 1983 motorcycle, simple and easy to fix.
@@steveclark.. Absolutely!!
Anything after 1980s is junk.
For sure.
The worst vehicle I ever owned for driveability, idle smoothness, consistent operation was a 1987 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme with 307 V8. The reason for that was the e-QuadraJUNK carb that GM designed to fit emissions regs instead of putting their effort into a fuel injection system for the engine.
My point? Carburetors were not designed to have a computer try to tell them what to do. That's like trying to have a computer controlled butter churn.
The absolute worst engine design was Chrysler's "Lean Burn" V8 engines with "miles" of vacuum hoses that would become brittle and leak, in addition cold weather performance was sometimes erratic. The complexity was too much for most mechanics, so they would disconnect the "mess" and problem solved! LOL
@@TheOzthewiz that hose problem wasnt confined to chrysler, that was a common theme back in the day, guys would comment, i ripped all that emission crap off, then it ran.
Ford had an "electronic carburetor" for about one or two years as well in the early 80's. It too was garbage.
@@life_of_riley88 at least Ford compensated by having fuel injection across the board for its passenger car Lines by 1985
The Qjet was an amazing card but that E version was Satan in disguise.
Old saying: If not broken don't fix it. Stop trying to invent a new mouse trap. Just the basics, easy to diagnose and fix. Always in very informative and intuitive. Great channel
They just keep getting worse with all this crap. Been working on small engines for the last 40 years and aside from a few bad designs, mechanical governors work just fine. I’ll keep my old Wheelhorse and Gravely tractors running and know I have quality machines while cashing in on all this Chinese inspired junk that people buy these days. Thanks again for the entertaining videos Taryl.
When companies have something that works good for years, why do they screw it it?
To make more profit.
All comes down to $$$$$$ and because they are insane morons.
I work in the IT field and it comes down to this. Companies have to have a new product to sell every year or two. You don't have to need it you don't have to want it but they have to come up with something to keep sales up and the stockholders happy.
Shareholder profits, more money for a higher turnaround because it shts the bed fast
Usually, a rookie engineer wants to impress the bosses.
I worked for two years doing R&D work for a Chinese company on inverter generators. Well familiar with those stepper motors on the carbs. They were never a problem, but the actual inverter, which controls them, would die, no throttle control, and no power output. I have two of them a 3100W and a 3300W, both prototypes, I got from work,and they still work fine. Fun part about prototypes? they don't have serial numbers.
Lawn equipment manufacturers are getting as bad as car companies. Just because you CAN do something don't mean you SHOULD do it.
I am "pushing" 82, and I still remember where automotive technology was in '50s with carburetors that had to be adjusted on a WEEKLY basis, along with "vapor lock" that left you "stranded" until the engine cooled down! Also, the "chokes" that would stick and give you a NO START or stalling after starting. Compare that to today's cars, get in the car push a button and drive away, regardless of the temperature! I would not want to go back to those "good old days"!!!
@@TheOzthewizBut you could open the hood and fix it without a thousand dollars worth of diagnostic equipment.
@@TheOzthewiz My family had a 51 or 52 Plymouth Cranbrook up until 1966. Never had vapor lock, nor did the carburetor need to be constantly adjusted.
@@stewcarew49431995-2008 were the peak of vehicles. My dad had an 04 Saturn ion. We didn’t have to touch the fuel system until around 420k miles because the fuel tank pressure sensor went bad causing a “large evap leak” code. We just replaced the whole assembly fuel pump and everything. Then the fuel tank level sender immediately quit working. New parts just suck now
Our government flexing their power.
Thankfully I haven’t seen one of these in my shop! MTD now stands for My Throttle Disappeared!
And for some of their stuff there is NO info you can get. MTD 'says' they can TALK you through your repairs. I got a battery zero turn and have NO IDEA even where the battery IS!
@ Contact Erica at Married with Small Engines. She personally runs a Battery Operated MTD Cub Cadet Zero Turn as no one would buy it!!
Cub cadet,is helpful over the phone at their tech center, I've called on the wiring on a couple cub cadet machines
@@jeffclark2725 MTD said they would but I'd like a diagram to see what was WHERE. nothing and can't get any!
There is good tech documents for all of this equipment. I am a Cub Dealer, I can send you info if you need.
I like honest deep reviews of newer equipment… very helpful
Anything electronic throws up red flags 🚩 for me, normally convenience items = prone to fail, difficult to diagnose & repair = repair (parts & labor) $$$$$
Why does your refrigerator need to have internet access? They do that stuff just because they can, not because they should. Love the no-it-all speculative voice.
I know why my Frigidaire window AC has "inner screen" access..............so I can set it for COLD when I am on my way home from my local Walmart that is 37miles away!
@TheOzthewiz It's a miraculous time we live in. 🛸🛸
Maybe so big brother can watch over you ??
@jhonsiders6077 👀👁👀
So your fridge can order pizza delivery 😅😅
I have the same snowblower. I got it in 2023, only used it once in January 2024. We already had 12 snow storms and I've yet to use it. And that's a bad thing to just have it sitting all winter. In the spring/summer/and early fall, I run it once a month for 5 minutes. My 2003 has yet to ever need anything besides belts
i have my dad's 1993 jd 10hp tecumseh, only ever replaced fuel lines and carb.
Thank you Taryl..No electronics for our tractors or other power equipment...-John
When my Mom was having a bad day with dementia/Alzheimer she would look out her kitchen table and tell me that she didn't recognize this place... Then she would say why am I here in PodunkVille. I guess that was upscale of Podunk IL. She was great even through the tough times.
She was ESPECIALLY amazing, since she could see things through her kitchen table 😂😂😂.
@twintwo1429 Some people have it rough when their parent or loved one is mean. My Mom had a great disposition and it was a pleasure taking care of her.
@@ForgetU your comment means nothing. Been there, done that. We all must still be able to articulate our feelings and opinions in a manner that makes sense, not nonsense. Please put your emotions in check, and stop blowing them out your ass.
@@twintwo1429 I reread my note bc your disrespectful comment.
Replace the words kitchen table to kitchen window.
Once you respond to this post I will make the correction, or in the next day or so if I don't receive a response.
Thanks for pointing out my error.
@@ForgetU your comment was disrespectful, due to you not realizing that others have been through the same problem, yet still are alive enough to see the humor that you have obviously lost. I feel sorry for your soul and obvious hatred towards others that are still able to find happiness.
Complex solution in search of a problem!!
I am so happy to have a lifetime supply of older lawn equipment that always works.....
It's no wonder we find this kind of stuff (crap) at the curb for free! And to fix it, here in Warren, MI, (near Detroit), so far this season we have had only about 3" of snow at one time that could have been easily shoveled. Repairs would have to be done quickly due to the short snow season here that seems to be the new norm. Then when not in use, this big machine would have to be indoors taking up valuable space. Then when the winter season is here, it becomes a hassle to get this thing running again. I wonder sometimes, if it is worth the trouble.
The Cadet is bright yellow so it can be found in the snowbank when the an electronic part fails.
It is the next step in controlling the engine rpm to only what is required in an attempt to lower emissions.
No more opening the throttle fully and leaving it there while blowing snow, cutting grass,...
It sucks when engineers think we need this crap,listen too the customer we want simple to run and maintain.
10:20-11:40 is absolute gold. BAAAM! My wife just yelled at me for laughing uncontrollably like a buffoon. Well done boys.
That had to be created by some engineer searching for something to design to keep himself employed. "I know. I'll design an electronic carburetor and save fuel injection for next year."
It is a step to a cleaner world, a very small step.
I’ve got the super modified version of that ECM. I connected it to Alexa. When two inches of snow falls in my area. It goes into TMM (Trunk Monkey Mode). It starts itself, opens the garage door, blows the snow, then makes me breakfast when it done. I call it Sheila. It has an uncanny resemblance to my wife.
It is my barely observant, marginally-informed opinion that you may have accidentally swapped their name tags again.
The electronic governor sounds like an easy and cheap Arduino microcontroller project. The Arduino Pro Mini microcontroller is a few dollars, the geared stepper motor a few dollars, use an inductive sensor over the flywheel to determine speed. Add a switch to tell the microcontroller the desired rpm, and a rechargeable battery (use a cheap battery bank). Then just program the microcontroller- you can even use ChatGPT to write the code. Those geared stepper motors typically use plastic reduction gears inside that break. I have to agree with you though- the mechanical version will be more reliable in the wet and cold.
Another great video calling out the big companies
Snow, sleet, misty rain is great for electronic components! It keep all those little plastic computerized parts running good. I store my snow blower in a damp shed at zero degrees for months too.
Great vid again Taryl and crew 👍;
Now, we all know that a spring-assisted governor works just fine since all these years and will continue to work fine into the future....until it don't;
These small and slight improvements to our preexisting technology are, perhaps, in some way, the slow and present growing pains in which lead up to even greater reliability than what we enjoy with a spring-assisted governor; this notion now and today seems silly...why go away from a "proven" method?? Obviously scrub cadet has some kinks to work out...when they get it to work, it may just change our outlook on the spring-assisted governor. 🤔
Love your unique content and personal touches contained in your videos. Very entertaining and humorous!
The thing is they buy the electronic module for less than a few springs and levers. What they sell that module to u as a spare is a different matter. Example, u can buy a reverse camera and screen cheaper that u can buy a replacement mirror for ur car.
What a POF. You know some sales engineer/manager wanted this crap as something to sell over the competition. Too bad it costs as much as a space shuttle now!
Where is Ralph Nader when you really need him? That whole thing is nothing but throw away junk!!
Thanks!
Thanks Taryl ! Another Great Video ! I Will be Watching for These Pieces of Crap that People will be putting out by the Curb for the Scrapers
Brand name means "SHIT" today. Older stuff will be worth more as time goes on Guaranteed !
I'm kinda glad the winters aren't so bad anymore cuz my shovel never breaks down like these POF snowblowers lol.
Companies need to chill on all the electronic BS they put on small equipment. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel 🤦♂️. More crap they put on them, the more they can tear up. And going to be more expensive to work on, just like automobiles.
That's why they put more crap on to cost you more down the road! Or find out part is no longer available! Now, the customer is stuck with an expensive boat anchor ⚓️
The EPA is pushing it look in Kailiforna too they are banning gas equipment .
Total violation of the engineering KISS Principal .... "Keep It Simple Stupid!"
We definitely don't need that garbage on a snow thrower.
I had a similar problem back in 2021 with getting parts from Breaks and Scrappem for my old Simplecity. I ended up repower it with a Predator. Since the Predator is a Honda clone I can get genuine Honda parts to repair it. Keeping the design simple will always be the best way.
Love those Honda/Predator engines. So many upgrades available!
@@TheOzthewizConsidering your grammar skills lucky you found the gas cap !
Somebody's nephew just graduated from college and needed a job so they came up with this BS to give him a job. That's all any of this upgrade bull is all about.
I feel the same as you regarding this digital electronic control nonsense that has taken over. It is even worse in the automotive field, and can be found in every home appliance.
You fooled me on the stator price .. I saw the rest coming .. wholly crap .. I’m still running a crapsman 8.5 -27” with a mfg. date of 9-3-05 … when the auger gearbox stripped the worm gear 5 years ago , I fired the cash-cannon at it ( auger bushings , impeller bushings , worm gear , new drive disc with stainless springs , new lines and primer , and new belts .. $ 92.00 delivered .) … I wouldn’t trade it for anything new . Buffalo winters ain’t no joke either ..⭐️MODIFIED YOUR IMPELLERS WITH THE RUBBER FLAPS , PEOPLE !!! 💥
I remember when I used to just get a postcard as a bill from my electric company years and years ago. Well today they
send a bill with a return envelope and a "newsletter". Later I get in the mail a "performance" of my electrical use as
compared to my neighbors. I didn't subscribe to getting emails from them but somehow I'm now getting them. Just want
to say it is the people at the top making bad ideas undoubtedly in response to government officals telling them they aren't
doing enough for the consumer. Bad ideas usually come from government sticking their nose into businesses to help
with environmental concerns in this case and those crappy things are put on goods to satisfy those "requirements". MGD
might stand for Mostly Government Designed now.
I bet you also remember when you could go to their office and pay your bill in cash to a real person, and if there was a problem, you could discuss it with in person, instead of some AI crap and finally having a phone conversation with someone you can't see!
Tarly, the problem is that all this is made for a price and you watch in three years you'll never be able to purchase any of these parts and it forces to purchase a new machine it's just a false economy, the older equipment is far superior but for some reason they don't want things to last as per yesteryear , the new stuff is just crap
Taryl - I have to stand up for the manufacturers and engineers here. I live in California. It won’t be another year or two before you can’t buy ICE engined small equipment any more due to CA’s emissions/carbon dioxide regulations. The local box stores are only starting to stock the E-go equipment - chain saws, string line trimmers, blowers, etc. They are only trying to stay in the market and make some money. We’d either be griping about the cheapness of their product or the cost of a better one. Either way we’d be griping. Trying to comply with government regulations is going to ultimately put these guys out of the CA market altogether.
Totally agree with Taryl if the old way works (and it does) why oh why change it.
In 1910
A "Minneapolis Moline electronic governor" refers to the electronic engine speed control system used on Minneapolis-Moline tractors, which typically utilized a traditional centrifugal ball-type governor mechanism, but in later models, might have incorporated electronic components to adjust engine speed.
I bought a cub cadet walk-behind about 10 years ago. When it works, I love it. But it is battery start. While that is one of the features I love -when it works- Cub Cadet decided to omit the pull starter. I should have seen the problem from a mile away, but I didn't. So I've now spent a couple hundred dollars on replacement batteries. Some of which actually work well.
But the part that I never saw coming was that when I took it back to the independent Cub Cadet dealer I bought it from (not a big box) the year after I bought it, he had no way to start it. Apparently a dealer and factory authorized repair shop didn't see any reason to have the batteries or chargers necessary to start one. Since my battery was dead, he had to keep it longer to figure out how to start it so he could diagnose it.
Never again. Never again will I buy a Cub Cadet and never again will I buy from an independent dealer. I would have been much better off just buying an extended warranty from Lowes or HD and returning it when it wouldn't start 10 months after I bought it.
The shops they send them to under warranty are questionable They said my scrub cadet needed a bigger battery when the problem was a burned off pin in a wiring harness then the thing caught fire last summer I ordered a new Ferris last week over tin junk . Buy from a big dealer that sells to the pro crowd they have parts and mechanics .
This sounds like an idiot fest all around. Why didn't you keep your batter on a charger? Literally it can be jumpstarted with any battery so you are all morons
Scrub Cadet engineers : How we can get a snow thrower more unreliable? Easy, let's put more electronic on it!
Buy the older equipment folks without the electronics and keep them running as long as you can.
I agree, even if it needs a new hf engine 😊😊😊
I have an early 2000’s cub cadet that I brought back from the dead 6 years ago new head gasket and some other smaller repairs. Still running great to this very day👍
20:04 Hello Harbor Freight
Those won't last long here in the Northeast. Here, snowblowers are literary ridden hard and put away wet. Water+cold+electricity = stoopid. Go watch any car repair channel in the rust belt to see what happens to wires and electronics on cars here. Hint, they're turned into oxidation dust.
Look on the bright side, you don't have to wait until it boots up to start it. 🤓
Agreed, unnecessary on a snow blower but could be great on a generator; no more dealing with governer droop under load.
There for a second I thought Taryl was going to come out of character but there was a fast recovery. Smoov, very smoov. I'd like to get an electric throttle control for my 67 Ariens. It's just too tough to move that little lever back and forth. Nothing like electronics on a machine that's constantly in moisture.
That was "Good" Taryl, we prefer evil Taryl.
I wouldn't even worry about the cover over the gas tank
Electonics and water are a bad idea. I'll hang on to my early 80's 524 Toro.
I just want a regular snowblower PROBLEM SOLVED 😎
You're absolutely right Taryl. This new garbage is garbage.
That electronic RPM control looks like the stuff they use on generators to keep the output level. It is more accurate than mechanical systems but, as u know, costs more dollars and time to fix when it goes belly up. I like old school mechanical systems. Big Gidday from the Land of Oz Taryl, keep these vids flowing mate.
Not too much cheers me up in the world these days.
Your videos always make me smile though.
Best wishes from across the pond.
Agreed, gizmos are just for suckers!
Thank you for sharing.👍
Thanks California for your carb compliance crap.
Technically you CAN convert the engine to a regular carburetor, but it'll be ungoverned and at that point it's only good for a go kart where you could use the more responsive throttle. But either way I've heard about these electronic carburetor setups and I want to slap the guy who thought it was a good idea. There's a reason mechanical governors have been used for over a century. Also the fact that they decided to have an electric throttle but didn't even give an automatic choke.
Same as a car ecm electronic control module .it reading the throttle great videos thanks from nova scotia canada
Everything mechanical or electronic breaks down over time. When the tractor replaced the horse farmers complained about having to fix those as well. I have a 30 year old snow shovel that's never failed. I just bought a new one for less than $40. Works great and doesn't take up sny room in the garage.
Same setup on a Honda 2000 generator, Bad idea on a snow blower with all the moisture.
Modern motorcycles with electronic throttles to the fuel injection don't have the same response that carburetors used to give. Vibration really wears out the resistor pots used for these types of controls.
I know it's an extreme measure, but a repower can be an option. Folks are tossing out L head Briggs engines left and right, in my area at least. I have about 40 in one of my storage containers. I scoop up every one i can. LOL
I raced 5 hp Briggs flatheads for years. I got a dynoed 11.7 HP out of a box stock 5 HP aluminum bore equipped with a 3/4 inch bore Tillotson carburetor on methanol. 2 track championships with that old coleman generator green block with with a welded up place in the block where lack of oil blew up the generator. I have it proudly displayed in my garage as a trophy. It could still run again.
Smart ideal to keep everyone you can so I can buy parts from you in my shop 😊😊😊
We still have a lot of demand for them and value jobs are common 😊
Trill, you can speak to the messes about how dumb the new stuff is, and can show them! They will want to argue with you! You covered why you wish to close your shop several videos ago, and I agree with you whole heartedly with your reasons. (I did the same with my business during the summer of 23)
Regardless, I love your content, and hope AFTER you physically close, you still keep putting content out. Guys like us are getting passed over by engineers and crap that make us dinosaurs….
Keep up the good fight!
Just bought my brother a sears craftsman 1987 snowblower. Replaced gas line. Replaced primer line and new clone carb for a whopping 15 dollars in parts combined and it ran again after sitting for 6 years in a shed. Old carb was seized new carb was 7 dollars haha
Very informative thanks for sharing 👍🏻
Millennial Management: "If you can't invent or improve it, rename it and claim it".
AND actually make the product worse than it was before!
So they've figured out how to do away with the governor, make it appear to be better and MUCH smarter, while it's cheaper to make and more expensive for us. Also it will break down more often while in the long run, we're spending more on parts. Those people are pretty smart
I wonder if the engine still has provisions for a mechanical governor built into the block? Maybe you could just convert it fairly easy.. If not, I sure know what I'll be looking for and avoiding in the future. smh.. What a mess
Steer clear of anything that says: intelligent, smart, or eco, or has a green leaf on it. LOL
The more they overwork the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.
-Montgomery Scott
Glad I have early 80s Craftsman snow blowers and a late 70s Snapper. They are super durable and works like a champion!
Wonderful video. Keep the info coming for us grass rats.
"Come on down! You are on the Price is Right!" Bam!
I will happily stick with my all - mechanical Toro. We understand each other.
You crack me up Troy😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 0:32
It's a stepper motor. Got the same thing in my generator. When they go bad you gotta replace em. Crap idea
I have a snow-thrower. It's called, '"John Harrison" with a shovel'.
a fix to a problem that didn't exist, and that makes it less reliable
Taryl I'm an automotive mechanic and I'm actually convinced with how they keep making stuff cheaper made and more complicated to fix that the whole idea is it'll fail in the next 5 to 10 years they won't sell parts for it and you'll have to go buy electric because at that point that's all there will be
i agree with you Taryl . There is not any need for the electronic governor✌🌵 Why over complicate a simple thing that has worked without fail for so many years .
So funny they try to make things more technical but it always is worse than old school mechanics
You would not believe how much that crap is in the auto repair sector there is . At least you dont need special tools to replace the module .
Everything is built like this now. We just have to suck it up and deal with it. I used to have to buy 3 printed circuit boards and hope at least one worked correctly. 😮
'we're not making enough money selling the same old parts, we need something new we can put a patent on to limit where you can buy it'
I have a friend that Works on Refrigerators, Washing Machines and Dryers and Basically all Appliances that you would use in your home--he told me to get the least amount of Electronics on any Appliance as they always create more problems--more Maintenance...
Definitely a bad idea for sure
Where i grew up, if you needed a machine to do some work, you just waited till people push them out to the curb by the trashcans.
My friend would drive by to collect their junk, we would make a frankenstein machine, then scrap all the excess, turn it in for gas money and smokes. The rest went to the firepit or the dump.
It was a localized mess for awhile, then, he would have it all cleaned up and the grass cut, so we could go fishing or catch a buzz.
Nothing replaces the simple machanical throttle cable. I say manufacturers are always coming up with dumb ideas that make them more money 💵 and make our lives more complicated 😢