Keith. May I recommend a 1/2 or even a 1/4 impact gun? I have used my 1/4 milwaukee impact on fairly large fasteners to take off without straining too much hassle and way less damage than hammer blows. Just my .02c. Love the work you do.
Interesting progression in this video. At the beginning, from the front view, it looked like, "eh, no big deal." Then you showed the back. Then how it all comes apart like a puzzle. Like a blacksmith's puzzle. Then the myriad of pieces at the end. "No big deal" turned into "Totally intimidated!" Thanks for sharing Keith!
You are my hero. There is no way I would ever remember where all those parts went without labeling each and every one, taking a million photos, a video, and having an assembly manual stuck to my head. Look forward to the subsequent videos. Thanks!
Terrific video. Very interesting. Fascinating that someone had to conceptualize the whole mechanism, draw all the interacting parts, cast and machine all the parts and have it come together as a functioning whole. These guys never cease to amaze me. American craftsmanship at its best.
I have always wondered if the designers/builders knew that these machines would be used for a long time, and then be carefully deconstructed, rebuilt and used for many more years. They would be really proud! I know, I would.
When it comes time to put this all back together, it's then that you really appreciate you have a video of how it all came apart. Love the videos and different projects. Keep them coming!
Yeah, I was going to say that even though I'm mechanically inclined, this looks like a nightmare task. Putting this back together looks like a major project, good thing you have it visually recorded.
There are a lot of parts . If you forget out it goes together you can just watch the video again.I bet that bronze gear is hard to find and cost big bucks Good Luck
It is amazing to me the level of engineering that went into these machine tools. Then manufacturing with no CAM or CAD for the castings,etc. Good old American know-how.
Yeah. Next video he should use only steel hammers and chisels for everything, 🤣. Soft hammers and drifts have their place, but a steel hammer and drift is just fine if you know what you are doing. I didn't even notice it until I read the posts. I think some are overestimating the impact strength based on how the mic picks up sounds and echoes. Also, you can destroy things with soft hammers. Sometimes you need rigidity.
Very true. He's not going to be pounding on stuff that isn't hardened. My brother who was a mechanic for 30+ years used to say "If it won't move, get a bigger hammer. If it breaks it needed fixing anyway."
I’ve found that those who like to sit off in the bleachers and hurl beginner-level advice generally have no videos of their own which we can go nitpick to death. Also, nagging a man about wearing gloves in the shop. What next?! How to make sure he washes his hands frequently to avoid cross-contamination between different grades of 50 year old oil and grease?
I am so glad you make videos. I've been watching you since your channel was small and you've taught me a ton about machining among other things. After my enlistment is done I plan on going t school for it. These restorations are my favorite.
Seeing how the manufacturer put this together is priceless. It helps when I work on my own stuff. Thanks for doing these rebuild vids. I really do appreciate it.
The complexity of that apron is awesome. I can't begin to imagine how it was designed and manufactured. Thanks for this video and please do a reassembly one too.
I would have never guessed there were that many parts inside the saddle. You might find an electric impact wrench useful when attempting to remove a nut from a shaft which is difficult to hold. Horrible Freight has one which is reasonably priced with questionable quality but could be plenty good enough for infrequent light use on machine restorations. This would eliminate the chowdering up a good wrench by whacking it with a two-pounder which we have all done in a pinch. If you need an impact wrench at the museum for heavier work, invest in a good one as you will get what you pay for at Horrible Freight.
Of course it would go together! What I would worry about instead would be the handful of leftover parts I would undoubtedly end up with when I'm done... ;)
It's a good thing the head stock, gearbox, spindle bearings, & etc. were in good condition, because the rest of this machine appears to need more work than you originally thought. But we know you'll put the time, effort, and resources into it to make it a first class lathe when you're done. I'm sure this will be your "go-to" lathe for years to come. (unless you fall in love with your 10EE)
The instructional quality of Keith's videos is exceptional, and one of the many reasons I never miss one. He shows and describes function as he goes (invaluable for hobby machinists still learning). Not all machining channels do it as thoroughly.
Hi Keith, nice job on the disassembly, as a kid I took everything apart, even dads drill. Dad was not happy, lesson learned! OUCH!! Looking forward to the reassembly video! Keep these great vids coming, & congrats on 100K!! You earned it!!
K Simpson, C185Pilot, MrPragmaticLee Remember the manufacturer started with a basic lathe and added one function at a time fitting it all together. That in no way diminishes the work into the design, casting, and machining. The designers would be amazed at CNC machines.
I'm reminded of Keith Fenner's series of videos when he was working on his Rutland lathe. What is it about you guys wanting to look under the old girl's apron? (LOL) A interesting and greasy video, but most enjoyable. I like it when I get to see what's going on and not have to do the work and bark up my knuckles! A great video, Keith! Thanks for sharing! Have a good one! Dave
Keith you may want to check out the cast iron bushings for your feed rod. My K16 bushings were egg shaped and made a slapping sound at higher speeds. Replaced them with a bronze bushing after talking to Scott at Monarch. Not sure why Monarch used a cast iron bushing. Good luck on the assembly, you may have to re-watch this video a couple of times to get it back together. Lol
Looks like you totally flattened the star washer, it's a good idea to leave all the tabs slightly proud, then you can get something behind the tabs when you reassemble.
Another Great Video, and congratulations on reaching your 100,000 Subscribers Mark!!! I always look forward to these tear down, clean, inspect,& repair video's. I'm also a fan of "One Off" machining and fabrication video's. I take away a little bit of knowledge from each and every one. 9/23/17 Has your power been restored yet?
Hi Keith, You wouldn't happen to have a spur gear cutter of the correct pitch, and the right hob lying around would you? That would be a great horizontal mill / deviding head video. And I would bet, if you let your viewers know what what cutters you need. There would be someone out there that has one. Thanks
Keith I really enjoy you're videos, but I am concerned about your health, your breathing is sounding very laboured and your colour was very pink. Please get yourself checked out by the doctor.
Don't envy you putting this one back together. Think the most convoluted apron I've seen dissasembled. Best of luck (bet you have to review your own video on this one.)
Keith, They don't make manual lathes like this anymore. They would cost too much. When you’re done with her, you will have a lathe that you just can’t buy today. I love the way you just tear into it with no fear. It’s a shame to think of all the great irreplaceable machines that wind up in the scrap yard. Only to be replaced by a brand new piece of junk that will never last as long and not worth rebuilding, when the time comes. With inflation calculated in, the cost of that machine today would be at least $100,000.
Keith , this is real fun . I believe that if you have a "feel" for the material , you can hammer it with whatever you like. I've watched you restore a number of machines and have not seen you breaking (bending , deforming) anything
I always thought the value of a recorded video was a good idea but darn I'm sure glad you have one for the reassembly of your apron. And I think for any future events such as this I WILL start recording such events myself. Thanks Keith it only took me watching several of your videos for me to learn this very important little trick!
I find that my smartphone camera is one of the best tools when working on equipment. Not only is it immeasurably helpful when doing the work, but also for documenting it for later, if I ever have to get it apart and back together again some time later. I just label a folder with the machine name, with all the photos inside in order of disassembly.
Do you only use hand tools no electric drivers, I know air tool are to noisy but as a x mechanic for 25 years I could not do the hand tool thing. Just saying..... great videos!!!
Keith, Great tear down video! Please make another brass worm gear. I have never seen you do a worm gear, and to be honest, I have never seen one on UA-cam anywhere. We use them at work occasionally, so it would greatly help me out knowing what I was dealing with, lol. Thanks, Joe
Damn, that apron is some intricate assembly. 😮 When reassembling this you have to do everything in the right order or else you have to go back to scratch and redo the whole thing. Good luck Keith, I know you can do it. 😊
the people who figured out how to make these machines truly amaze me. there minds and math skills are way above mine. I love these tear downs. i'm glad I don't have to put back together. great show. thanks for sharing
I just concur with the last post....youre a brave soul breaking that down with the thought u have to put it back together...hence I guess the video documentation
That headstock was a mess. I would replace all the bearings while its torn down. Also check the lubrication system on it to make sure its not clogged up or something.
Hi Keith. I see a lot of times in your videos where an impact wrench would be the best tool for the job. Especially when you have to hold a shaft with pliers to loosen a nut. Just a thought.
Man Keith, i cant be happier you are doing the vids on this machine, the apron assembly seems very simmilar to my model c, and it is really nice to get a preview of what i am going go be getting into.
Always hard to understand that a machinist does not pay attention to the cleanliness of an oil sump and keeping it up to level Beautifully made aprons on these Monarchs
man that was dirty i wonder what caused all that? using use oil or just normal? i just figure out now why im allergic to oil probly the detergent in there edit i also recommend never using a brass hammer it the best way to get comment on your channel lol
Tuna Fish Keith is only tapping on hardened parts with the hammer if you watch for it he puts the nuts back on any threaded shafts. He definitely has brass hammers and other soft blow stuff to use when it's needed.
Try using a shop rag to hold the shaft from turning when trying to loosen a nut. Let the wadded up shop rag get drawn into the gears that are meshed together. That will stop the shaft from turning and allow you to remove the nut.
Keith. May I recommend a 1/2 or even a 1/4 impact gun? I have used my 1/4 milwaukee impact on fairly large fasteners to take off without straining too much hassle and way less damage than hammer blows. Just my .02c. Love the work you do.
Wow, what a piece of design, engineering and fabrication in that apron. No wonder really fine machinery costs so much initially.
"How it's Made" with Keith. It's always fun to see how this stuff was put together.
-Douglas 👍
yep, i dont think i could figure out how it all goes back though
yeah, no joke on the mind-bender reassembly! I can see why it was never done before...
RetroWeld I
Some of that looked like working a jigsaw puzzle in the dark with one hand!
@Colt Randall Flixzone = scam
Interesting progression in this video. At the beginning, from the front view, it looked like, "eh, no big deal." Then you showed the back. Then how it all comes apart like a puzzle. Like a blacksmith's puzzle. Then the myriad of pieces at the end. "No big deal" turned into "Totally intimidated!" Thanks for sharing Keith!
You are my hero. There is no way I would ever remember where all those parts went without labeling each and every one, taking a million photos, a video, and having an assembly manual stuck to my head. Look forward to the subsequent videos. Thanks!
Terrific video. Very interesting. Fascinating that someone had to conceptualize the whole mechanism, draw all the interacting parts, cast and machine all the parts and have it come together as a functioning whole. These guys never cease to amaze me. American craftsmanship at its best.
I have always wondered if the designers/builders knew that these machines would be used for a long time, and then be carefully deconstructed, rebuilt and used for many more years. They would be really proud! I know, I would.
Have a look at some heavy vehicle gearboxs if you want to see complexity.
When it comes time to put this all back together, it's then that you really appreciate you have a video of how it all came apart. Love the videos and different projects. Keep them coming!
Yeah, I was going to say that even though I'm mechanically inclined, this looks like a nightmare task. Putting this back together looks like a major project, good thing you have it visually recorded.
Knowing Keith over the years, I am sure he has a drawing or two of the gear train. He has a large library of old machinery schematics.
Had to watch a Rolex commercial to see your video. UA-cam thinks your viewers have tons of money. 8^)
My ad was for something else. Maybe it's because your name contains the word 'Surgeon". You must be rich! lol.
Also, you only need to watch the first 17 or 18 seconds of the ad for him to get the full monetization.
There are a lot of parts . If you forget out it goes together you can just watch the video again.I bet that bronze gear is hard to find and cost big bucks Good Luck
It is amazing to me the level of engineering that went into these machine tools. Then manufacturing with no CAM or CAD for the castings,etc. Good old American know-how.
Aprons are intense displays of mechanical engineering and casting work. I'm never let down seeing one come apart.
Some of the comments sound like the poster imagines you have never done this sort of thing before.
Yeah. Next video he should use only steel hammers and chisels for everything, 🤣. Soft hammers and drifts have their place, but a steel hammer and drift is just fine if you know what you are doing. I didn't even notice it until I read the posts. I think some are overestimating the impact strength based on how the mic picks up sounds and echoes. Also, you can destroy things with soft hammers. Sometimes you need rigidity.
Very true. He's not going to be pounding on stuff that isn't hardened. My brother who was a mechanic for 30+ years used to say "If it won't move, get a bigger hammer. If it breaks it needed fixing anyway."
I’ve found that those who like to sit off in the bleachers and hurl beginner-level advice generally have no videos of their own which we can go nitpick to death. Also, nagging a man about wearing gloves in the shop. What next?! How to make sure he washes his hands frequently to avoid cross-contamination between different grades of 50 year old oil and grease?
I am so glad you make videos. I've been watching you since your channel was small and you've taught me a ton about machining among other things. After my enlistment is done I plan on going t school for it. These restorations are my favorite.
We really appreciate the long format vids Keith.
Agree
Seeing how the manufacturer put this together is priceless. It helps when I work on my own stuff. Thanks for doing these rebuild vids. I really do appreciate it.
The complexity of that apron is awesome. I can't begin to imagine how it was designed and manufactured. Thanks for this video and please do a reassembly one too.
If it is up for a vote, I say MAKE IT!! Thanks for the videos, Keith!
I would have never guessed there were that many parts inside the saddle. You might find an electric impact wrench useful when attempting to remove a nut from a shaft which is difficult to hold. Horrible Freight has one which is reasonably priced with questionable quality but could be plenty good enough for infrequent light use on machine restorations. This would eliminate the chowdering up a good wrench by whacking it with a two-pounder which we have all done in a pinch. If you need an impact wrench at the museum for heavier work, invest in a good one as you will get what you pay for at Horrible Freight.
Amazing! All of it. The engineering, fabrication and quality of the machine. You're a brave man! Thanks for sharing the process with us.
Wow, I'm amazed at how it's possible to dream up something so intricate.
I think it just evolved over 60-70 years.
I'd be afraid I wouldn't get it all back together again. One thing I learned is take lots of pictures. Great video Keith.
Of course it would go together! What I would worry about instead would be the handful of leftover parts I would undoubtedly end up with when I'm done... ;)
AH left over parts. That's when you lift the lid and dump them in for good keeping just in case.
A lot of detective work disassembling one of those especially the tight fits.
ILGopher - Ryan Weishalla and a lot of patience. Don't let your frustrations get the better of you. :-D
Hard to imagine this thing was designed with pencil and paper!
And the occasional slide rule.
I like the skinned knuckles makes the video feel real.
At 7:00 - Entitled, "Adventures in Oil Sumps" staring "Dirty" Keith Rucker
Wow, I never would have dreamed an apron could be so complicated!
Thanks for making this highly information video.
Keith, why you don't use gloves? Take care of your hands.
What do you use in your parts washer?
It's a good thing the head stock, gearbox, spindle bearings, & etc. were in good condition, because the rest of this machine appears to need more work than you originally thought. But we know you'll put the time, effort, and resources into it to make it a first class lathe when you're done. I'm sure this will be your "go-to" lathe for years to come. (unless you fall in love with your 10EE)
The instructional quality of Keith's videos is exceptional, and one of the many reasons I never miss one. He shows and describes function as he goes (invaluable for hobby machinists still learning). Not all machining channels do it as thoroughly.
Hi Keith, nice job on the disassembly, as a kid I took everything apart, even dads drill. Dad was not happy, lesson learned! OUCH!! Looking forward to the reassembly video! Keep these great vids coming, & congrats on 100K!! You earned it!!
It never ceases to amaze me that something like that apron was designed and built without the aid of CAD/CAM.
K Simpson, C185Pilot, MrPragmaticLee Remember the manufacturer started with a basic lathe and added one function at a time fitting it all together. That in no way diminishes the work into the design, casting, and machining. The designers would be amazed at CNC machines.
I'm reminded of Keith Fenner's series of videos when he was working on his Rutland lathe. What is it about you guys wanting to look under the old girl's apron? (LOL) A interesting and greasy video, but most enjoyable. I like it when I get to see what's going on and not have to do the work and bark up my knuckles! A great video, Keith! Thanks for sharing!
Have a good one!
Dave
Keith you may want to check out the cast iron bushings for your feed rod. My K16 bushings were egg shaped and made a slapping sound at higher speeds. Replaced them with a bronze bushing after talking to Scott at Monarch. Not sure why Monarch used a cast iron bushing. Good luck on the assembly, you may have to re-watch this video a couple of times to get it back together. Lol
Looks like you totally flattened the star washer, it's a good idea to leave all the tabs slightly proud, then you can get something behind the tabs when you reassemble.
Another Great Video, and congratulations on reaching your 100,000 Subscribers Mark!!! I always look forward to these tear down, clean, inspect,& repair video's. I'm also a fan of "One Off" machining and fabrication video's. I take away a little bit of knowledge from each and every one. 9/23/17 Has your power been restored yet?
Nice piece of steel! Look the diameters and the wall thickness on the cast iron house! I'm only alone, who love this kind of machines?
Hi Keith,
You wouldn't happen to have a spur gear cutter of the correct pitch, and the right hob lying around would you? That would be a great horizontal mill / deviding head video.
And I would bet, if you let your viewers know what what cutters you need. There would be someone out there that has one.
Thanks
Keith I really enjoy you're videos, but I am concerned about your health, your breathing is sounding very laboured and your colour was very pink. Please get yourself checked out by the doctor.
Amazingly complicated. Please allow me to buy stock in thrust bearings before you order the parts.
Don't envy you putting this one back together. Think the most convoluted apron I've seen dissasembled. Best of luck (bet you have to review your own video on this one.)
You're a brave man Gunga Din...Good luck on a successful re-assembly Keith!
Are you kidding me? That's more parts than I expected. I hope you remember where it all goes. I'll be watching!
Keith,
They don't make manual lathes like this anymore. They would cost too much. When you’re done with her, you will have a lathe that you just can’t buy today. I love the way you just tear into it with no fear. It’s a shame to think of all the great irreplaceable machines that wind up in the scrap yard. Only to be replaced by a brand new piece of junk that will never last as long and not worth rebuilding, when the time comes. With inflation calculated in, the cost of that machine today would be at least $100,000.
Why are some gears brass? Sacrifice material? One thing about mechanist you know how to measure! Enjoy your show, thank you.
Keith , this is real fun . I believe that if you have a "feel" for the material , you can hammer it with whatever you like.
I've watched you restore a number of machines and have not seen you breaking (bending , deforming) anything
I always thought the value of a recorded video was a good idea but darn I'm sure glad you have one for the reassembly of your apron. And I think for any future events such as this I WILL start recording such events myself. Thanks Keith it only took me watching several of your videos for me to learn this very important little trick!
I find that my smartphone camera is one of the best tools when working on equipment. Not only is it immeasurably helpful when doing the work, but also for documenting it for later, if I ever have to get it apart and back together again some time later. I just label a folder with the machine name, with all the photos inside in order of disassembly.
Do you only use hand tools no electric drivers, I know air tool are to noisy but as a x mechanic for 25 years I could not do the hand tool thing. Just saying..... great videos!!!
Makes me a little nervous , i just bought a mid 60s. k16 54 😳 yesterday
Keith, Great tear down video!
Please make another brass worm gear. I have never seen you do a worm gear, and to be honest, I have never seen one on UA-cam anywhere. We use them at work occasionally, so it would greatly help me out knowing what I was dealing with, lol. Thanks, Joe
Great video, thanks.
Damn, that apron is some intricate assembly. 😮 When reassembling this you have to do everything in the right order or else you have to go back to scratch and redo the whole thing. Good luck Keith, I know you can do it. 😊
the people who figured out how to make these machines truly amaze me. there minds and math skills are way above mine. I love these tear downs. i'm glad I don't have to put back together. great show. thanks for sharing
Good video, Keith. You do have a LOTS of work ahead of you but I know you will
take care of it. Wow lots of parts fit in that apron.
I just concur with the last post....youre a brave soul breaking that down with the thought u have to put it back together...hence I guess the video documentation
wow... what a mess. Well done and a nice intro on cleaning and fixing these lovely old machines
Thank you for sharing!
Keith, that's what I would classify as an engineer's nightmare! All done back in the day when the slide rule 'ruled'! lol
You know Keith has been working hard when he wears grease on his sideburns! :) That red colored oil reminds me of Dextron transmission fluid.
That headstock was a mess. I would replace all the bearings while its torn down. Also check the lubrication system on it to make sure its not clogged up or something.
I wouldn't have guessed there would be so many parts in that apron. Keith, you know we want to see you make that gear! :)
Keith, can you put a list of bearings that you replaced. As I am rebuild one my self
Hi Keith. I see a lot of times in your videos where an impact wrench would be the best tool for the job. Especially when you have to hold a shaft with pliers to loosen a nut. Just a thought.
In my head I said jigsaw puzzle and you said it two seconds later.
Allot going on in that one
Nice work!
Keith, could you TIG braze the bronze gear up and re-machine it?
Eli D.
I’m curious, how would you make a casting like that with all the voids inside, had to be pretty dam hard ?
I need to start making youtube videos. So I know what order to put things back together after I take them apart.
Well that should be a challenge to say the least to put back together. Good luck with that. Thanks for the video.
I hope that you have an illustrated parts catalog to put this thing back together, it looks like a jigsaw puzzle to me.
It's a reasonably complex apron. All those taper bearings are nice! I see quality there.
You, sir, are a brave man!
Man Keith, i cant be happier you are doing the vids on this machine, the apron assembly seems very simmilar to my model c, and it is really nice to get a preview of what i am going go be getting into.
Always hard to understand that a machinist does not pay attention to the cleanliness of an oil sump and keeping it up to level
Beautifully made aprons on these Monarchs
Take care with your hand, Keith. That's a nasty scrape. Love the show.
Your channel is full of meaningful content. Keep up the great work.
man that was dirty i wonder what caused all that? using use oil or just normal? i just figure out now why im allergic to oil probly the detergent in there edit i also recommend never using a brass hammer it the best way to get comment on your channel lol
It herts me to see you hammer on the machinery with a steel hammer instead of a brass drift to remove the old parts.
Tuna Fish Keith is only tapping on hardened parts with the hammer if you watch for it he puts the nuts back on any threaded shafts. He definitely has brass hammers and other soft blow stuff to use when it's needed.
It hurts me to read herts!
It doesn't cause me to cycle, he knows what he's doing
No one hammer got hurt :)
Keith - I am wondering why you are using a steel hammer rather than a softer brass or lead hammer. Thanks.
Try using a shop rag to hold the shaft from turning when trying to loosen a nut. Let the wadded up shop rag get drawn into the gears that are meshed together. That will stop the shaft from turning and allow you to remove the nut.
Keith, What happened to the Kalamazoo band saw restoration project?
After cleaning and degreasing do you give the parts a light oil coating to protect them whilst waiting for reassembly?
Would it be possible to add braze to the worm gear and then re-cut it?
#2 I watched this the other day I got my sticker awesome! thanks Keith
Its good to see how a well made lathe should look and now I know. Good video thanks for sharing.
I would like to see how you cleaned all the parts up and your parts washer.
Very nice work. Wow. That is one big lathe
John Saunders for CNCing the gear..
I dont think i would ever be able to put all this back together
@27:42 I think you put that bearing on the wrong way round.
THANK YOU...for sharing.
the fact this piece was designed and drawn by hand...
Wow what a mission that's one big job thanks for sharing
Just remember to put the big gear in first WOW what a set-up
Lot of parts and gears, I bet it want go back as fast as it came apart.
Looking forward to seeing it put back together.
nice to see some one else getting there hands dirty not my own lol
@ 17:44, Is that a Georgia tapping hammer?
Excellent video. Best wishes.
How are the oil lines held in the casting?
Need s can full of GoJo after this one.