Orthodoxy vs Communism - There Can Be Only One
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- Some say that the Soviet Union fought religions for 70 years, but in the end created a new one. The one that is still believed in to this day. How and why did the Soviet Union try to destroy one of the pillars of Russian society in the form of Orthodoxy? Why was Soviet devotion to Stalin and Lenin so similar to Orthodoxy? And why didn't the Soviet government manage to deal with its worst enemy in 70 years?
00:00 - Why Soviets needed religions gone
02:11 - First Years of Bolshevism
06:18 - Anti-religion movements after Lenin's death
07:41 - "The Great Turn"
10:05 - Religion during WW2
12:53 - Orthodoxy in USSR after Stalin
16:13 - How religion won in the end
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This is truly heartbreaking, even if you aren't religious. Just knowing a bit about church history, all those icons, relics of the saints, intricate crosses, everything that's kept behind the iconostais... just thrown, burned, destroyed...
It's heartbreaking to imagine that what is left vs what was destroyed.
Demolition of any building full of so much beauty is hard to see (abandoned mansions), so much intentionally beautiful work destroyed or left to rot. It's sad.
What is actually sad is that that beauty was paid for with the blood of people who were oppressed by the church
Nah, it sucked and was trach +cringe. I think seeing old pretty building is nice, but for them to have so much power for no good reason is just trash.
nothing of value was lost
@@NBrioDaZueraRules May The Lord have Mercy on you.🙏🏻🇷🇺☦️
@@donjeremias4240 All of the top three are clearly members of r/atheism. Ignore them
This is a really brilliant video. I've never really been able to grasp exactly how the Church was able to survive so many years of Soviet persecution until now. Your editing and pacing makes the video very easy to watch, as well.
Christ sayd that ,, the gates of hades will not prevail It."
@@ortodoxdoomer9722 didn't the Muslim drive you guys out of north Africa, the middle east and turkey and Spain for some time?
@@Steyr32 Christianity stopped being mainstream and dominant in those areas, yes. But that didn’t stop a minority of Christians from still existing there nevertheless, its not the case that you can’t make Christianity unpopular and deprive them of political and social power, it’s that it’s difficult to fully eradicate them. For more information, look up “Copts”, they’re a group of Christians in Egypt that remained in existence even after Egypt’s Islamization.
@@ortodoxdoomer9722 But Jesus was just a carpenter. He didn't have any more supernatural powers than any other spiritual leader. He couldn't predict the future.
@@computergamescritical6917 Marx did say that religion was the opium of the masses. It is hard to totally quit.
Soviet Atheist Union: Collapses
Orthodox Church: You couldn't live with your own failure. And where did that bring you? Back to me!
At least they managed to get rid of the christmas as the main holiday during the end of the year and make new year's eve as a main celebration.
Is that a good thing?
@@63Limar still no more better than now which has both days as celebration cuz more holidays
@@nothingtoseeexceptwaifus no one really cares about it tho
@@63Limar an extra's an extra
Orthodoxy is legit one of the most interesting denominations by far. I had never heard of it - only catholicism and protestant faiths - until about a year ago. Very interesting and deep history!
Bruh, orthodox and coptic christianity are as old as Catholicism.
@@sasi5841 From the Orthodox perspective Catholicism is a heretical branch that departed from the True Church in 1054. So Orthodox Traditions are older than Catholicism.
@@Player-re9mo and vise versa from the catholic perspective. They both existed at the same time and were in communion with each other since much earlier. They just had a messy divorce in 1054 primarily over politics, with some theology in between.
@@sasi5841 Orthodoxy was the original church, Roman catholicism was formed when the Bishop of Rome declared himself the Pope and the leader of the Church on earth (a role only available to Christ Himself)
This is not uncommon. As a convert from Roman Catholicism to Holy Orthodoxy, there has been a very big surge in exposure in recent years in the West. Ever since the Great Schism nearly 1000 years ago, a lot of the works of the East have been hard to access simply due to them not being translated often. Although recently Eastern Europe has been considered to be a part of "The West" or "Western Civilization" (like most today consider it to be), it historically hasn't been. There has been an East-West divide since the days of Western and Eastern Rome and the years following the Emperor (a Saint in our Church as well) Constantine the Great.
Probably my favorite video by far as an American convert to Orthodoxy (Russian Orthodoxy) it answered so many questions I had, thank you!
I American convert to. I joined OCA and married a Russian woman. Why did pick the Russian church if you are American?
@Joel Bridge I liked how you stood during the services. It made if much more "challenging" I also love the Russian culture. The Russian church really just appealed to me as a whole. I can't wait to be baptized
Brother, you live in America. You don't need to be LARP a Russian. Most of my parish is second-third generation ROCOR.
@@MrJMB122 ?
@@Barsanuphius.1 are you converting for the Russian culture or the Orthodox faith? Do you support Russia in this war?
Religion is DEEPLY tied to culture and language. That's the reason why the Soviet Union, after a good 79 years of official atheism that was strictly, and sometimes violently, enforced never managed to get rid of the Russian Orthodox Church. Because the Russian Orthodox Church is Russian culture and Russian culture is the Russian Orthodox Church. I come from Central America and even I--an atheist/agnostic who grew up in a Catholic family and rejected religion even to my own mother--acknowledge that the Roman Catholic Church is inextricably linked to practically everything that defines Central American culture. It's just extremely baked in--the language, the norms, the figures of speech, the traditions. It's weird. And this defines practically all major cultures: the culture of America cannot be untied from Protestantism. Chinese culture cannot be untied from Confucianism and Taoism. Japanese culture cannot be untied from Buddhism and Shintoism. Indian culture cannot be untied from Hinduism. Etc., etc.
What do you think about the Facebook atheist groups that keep spamming anti religious messages?
@@finalMadfox foolish. I do not believe but I think the majority needs something to believe in before they destroy society
I am obliged to disagree, from China. China before the birth of Confucianism and Taoism was neither “uncultured” nor “un-Chinese”, nor will China be after their eventuall demise.
@@user-uh8fu3mb9l he mean that religion is entrenched in culture and human nature in itself need a higher figure, that's why it's said "religion is opium of the masses, the soul of souless world". It give people hope in their mostly unhappy and painful life regardless it's true or not. You say China or Chinese is still China or Chinese even without confucianism/taoism, it's true but for so many people that would be very different like seeing a certain part of lifehood basically gone. How many years CCP rule China? With Mao cult of personality now you have Xi Jinping cult of personality that willing to co op with religions if they work together with the state while statistically Chinese becoming more and more Christian while willing to defend their culture tooth n nail even if it under heavy criticism, i wonder what next?
@@lukaswilhelm9290 Perhaps the fact that people still needing for some "higher being" indicates that humanity is still not powerful and mature enough? Many people may seek divine or secular authorities in times of insurmountable hardship, but a free and strong people will consciously reject such authorities. That's why religious institutions and practices are usually suppressed or at least sidelined after a successful popular revolution, and are often restored when a restoration of old society and old authority takes place, like in England, France, Russia, and, to a less extent, China.
I lived near the Butovo firing range for some time so seeing some of the clips from this really hit home, so to speak.
Great video and can't wait for more!
As far as I know, it was one of the most "popular" places for executions of the clergy.
Btw I also lived near it for some time! But that was like 20 years ago
@@Setarko small world! And yes, if my memory serves there are over 1,000 clergy buried there. And it’s not all orthodox, I even know of a Lutheran pastor who is buried there.
Not even the Gates of Hell can overcome the Orthodox Church☦️☦️☦️
because hell doesn't exist
@@NBrioDaZueraRules It does exist. If you ask all the atheists on their death bed if Hell exists they will give you a different answer than the one you just gave me. Napoleon, Voltaire, Tolstoy, Lenin, Stalin they all met their end the same way staring at the demons who came to to take their soul to Hell. Read the last words of all these men and then tell me that Hell doesnt exist.
@@digenesakritas if hell was real then lenin and stalin wouldn't be there
@@NBrioDaZueraRules They are there already🔥🔥🔥
@@digenesakritas they aren't, i don't care what your 3000 year old jewish book says
If TV offered half of what you offer us, I wouldn't have stopped watching it. Great job!
As an Orthodox Serb (witch had the exact same history with socialism as the Russian people), this brings great sadness and tears to my eyes. So much culture, history and lives where taken by those red devils.
When they nailed Our Lord to the cross, he said “Father forgive them. They know not what they do.” I only hope that these men/women did not realize the movement they worked with was wholly evil.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 Most of the time stupidity will suffice over malice,although there was a fraction of quite a wile people.
@@AndrewTheMandrew531 bruh thay had bad experience and thay blamed it on the religion who was adopted by the gev
Živeo lenjin
Is more complex than that.
Something funny to add. In Yekaterinburg, as a some know, the tsarist family was killed in the basement of some guy's house, Ipatiev's house, near that place there's a church and a monument to the Komsomol of Urals. The monument is two young people, a man and a woman, looking to the house and giving the back to the church. The message is clear.
Well in the 70's the house was demolished, for no one else but Yeltsin.
After that a church was built on that side, the church over the blood. Beautiful, dominating almost all the city center.
So now, the Komsomol gave the back to the church of the past to go directly to the church of the future.
Loved this video , I subscribed
It's a bit ironic that Stalin himself used to have religious background, even attending Tbilisi Theological Seminary for that matter.
And I realised that two of the most ruthless dictator of WW2, Hitler and Stalin aren't exactly German nor Russian. Close but not exactly.
In the video Napoleon had a similar profile. He spoke corsican until 16, he even wrote in his youth that he did not like France.
To be fair, H**ler was born in a border town between Austria and Germany in a region where many people considered themselves German due to that region being apart of the Confederation of the Rhine.
P.S. I’m not a N**i.
The word German has two meanings. Austria was one of the German (as in German speaking) countries that never united with the others on account of having its own empire. Hitler was German, as in ethnic German. He regarded Austrians as Germans.
@@jamesconnolly5164 All I need to know is that the Romans were right about the Germans.
Hitler was German, being Austrian was merely a nationality and a technicality when Austrian and germans from the German state were always considered the same people and culture, stalin is another case as Russian and Georgian culture are not related at all other than orthodoxy
Here in sp Brasil, theres a church that was built from cccp refugees, after de second war my ancestors helped to built the orthodox church, its very interesting that even today with just some 5 people living there the place still a time machine, the near houses, the trees, everythings looks similar to a place in ancient russia.
disgusting
@@NBrioDaZueraRules what is disgusting
@@Raskolnikov... because religion is a drug 😏
@@Raskolnikov... não liga amigo e só mais um drone comunista sem pensamento próprio
@@novikov4442 i love drugs
I'm pissed at them for the buildings they destroyed.
I'm not pissed so much at their anti-religious stance but at the fact that they destroyed so much art and history. Those churches and monasteries/nunneries were filled with art that was sometimes 1,200 years old. I mourn for the loss of so many important historical and artistic artifacts. It's a way to subdue a people--to erase their most revered art and history. The Communists were quite successful at that, in the former Russian Empire, in Eastern Europe, and in China. It's a crying shame.
Yeah, I mean I get that they are atheistic but WHY would they destroy so much art and history? That's simply barbaric
@@Setarko they were communists soo they only had hate and no wisdom.
@@SetarkoBecause they were trying to build a new society, and thry didn't want people thinking there was any alternative, which is hard to do when there is a honking big cathedral in the central square.
i won't lie, i clicked just for the adorable profile picture
fantastic video :) i subbed ❤️
I just wanted to say that i love your editing style
Honestly good video 👍
Russia is a pretty orthodox country nowadays and I can't see how an explicitly anti religious movement could take hold to the extent to control the entire country.
Wouldn't the anti religiousity of communism have put off the Russian population and have killed all the support for the revolution from the beginning?
Well, you see, the revolution in Russia was not that homogeneous. I mean the first one of 1917 ( in February) had nothing to do with bolsheviks at all. And in October bolsheviks just managed to get more followers in the capital itself and therefore won. I guess their other arguments (land to peasants, factories to workers) were more convincing so many people just agreed to turn a blind eye to their treatment of church. Also, there's a also a big distinction - at first the Bolsheviks were primarily against the church as an organization, not against religion itself.
Nothing matters when you are unable to put anything into cooking pot.
@@szariq7338 not communism, not religion. No wonder Russia today run by the same clique that used to persecute church now turn to the church so they could eat more than ordinary civilian.
The Orthodox Church got on the nose, for too close integration with the state structure of the monarchy. The Church should not be closely connected with state policy, otherwise it will be repugnant to the people, which is what happened to the Orthodox Church. The church has become too much in the affairs of the state, it has become too far from the flock and has taken the place of the official apparatus.
If you put a lot of pepper in a dish, it becomes not spicy, but bitter
Russia is NOT a pretty orthodox country today. It's got record-low church attendance rates.
Last week I visited Old Sarepta. During the atheistic campaign, they even shot the pastor of the Lutheran church, which is why the community of Gernguters ceased to exist. But now they have found a new German pastor somewhere, and the church is working again!
I think a lot of the reason for Stalin's thaw was also the nature of the relative tolerance given by the Wehrmacht to the Orthodox Church in occupied territories. I recall early in the war Rosenberg appointed Sergeii of Letland as Patriarch over all of the Baltic, and pushed for the Wehrmacht to open Churches as "liberators"
Thanks this was very intresting and informative
Why? Because if someone is going to tell me I can't believe and practice the way I and my family have practiced their beliefs for centuries then my response is "Fuck you I'm going to be even more religious now".
What would be a good way to de-convert someone, then? Because believing in fictional gods and angels clearly isn't good for someone's life. Living in the real world is important if someone is to succeed.
@@greywolf7577 "Because believing in fictional gods and angels clearly isn't good for someone's life. Living in the real world is important if someone is to succeed". That's a very arrogant atheist way to think. Your claim is easily disprove by the mere existence of successful people who are religious.
However, to answer your answer. I think it really depends on the people, so you would require different approaches. Being too zelous or insistent will usually backfire. Aiming to a younger population will probably make things easier.
@@greywolf7577 You clearly don't know how many bedrocks of Western science and philosophy were made by religious people (most recently, the maker of the Big Bang theory was also a Catholic priest).
@@obligatoryusername7239That means nothing, and fire was made by cavemen, therefore all the industrial revolution depends on Homo Erectus cannibal warlords.
Are you religious? I am, and having religion is quite important in life.
I can't say I am very religious, but I am baptized.
@@Setarko Do you believe in God? Do you go to church at least 1 time a week?
@@lowrhyan567 there are no traditions of going to church every week in Russia, absolute minority are doing so. Main reasons to visit church for religious people is for some big ortodox holidays or if you want to pray for something or someone specifically/confess.
@@63Limar It's good to go to sundays for liturgies for the blood and flesh of Christ, so that you may be cleaned of sin. He talks about it in John 6:53-57. You also go there for prayers and to hear the teachings of Christ and the Church Fathers.
@@Setarko I have a question?? Why is it that you describe Marxism as a religion when you acknowledge the fact there were genuine political reasons to be against the Church since it was the Russian Empire that forced the people into the destructive World War 1 and also oppressed many people in Europe and Asia for over 300 years, it was the Russian Empire that oppressed it's own for so long yet you never talk about that much and call Marxism a religion when it isn't and it never was, the Secret Police of the Tsar was arguably worse than the Secret Police under Lenin, yet you never mention that.
I'm just a little curious.
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"How much is opium for the people today?" - Ostap Bender.
Good vid
"Every man has forgotten who he is. One may understand the cosmos, but never the ego; the self is more distant than any star.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God; but thou shalt not know thyself. We are all under the same mental calamity; we have all forgotten our names. We have all forgotten what we really are. All that we call common sense and rationality and practicality and positivism only means that for certain dead levels of our life we forget that we have forgotten. All that we call spirit and art and ecstasy only means that for one awful moment we remember that we forget." - G.K. Chesterton
So true!
I noticed when you asked to donate money to the channel you played Hava Nagila. Smooth. 😂
Great video, greetings from Mexico
This is what happened in South Vietnam when North Vietnam Communists won the war. I know because I grew up in this time. They didn't blow up churches as Soviets did but they didn't allow citizens with Catholic faith to go to university. They forced monasteries to close down. Three years ago they also forced monks and nuns to stop practicing their training at one pagoda and these nuns and monks have to flee to Thailand to continue their training.
Honestly, Vietnamese Communists leaders are much better now than 30 years ago. Each Christmas and anniversary of the Buddha celebration, top leaders of Vietnamese government officials visit the residences of these two main religions' leaders.
So many wholesome bear clips...
Great video, keep up the great work. Peace ✌🏻
Even in Brezhnev period, Iskcon from India were welcomed in the Soviet territory for the first time
Well, Indian icons are just never seems in soviet officials eyes as an items of the cult. Buddhism wasn't a concurrent of the party to control the population
An ideology is a crippled religion.
A religion is a crippled philosophy, that's why Christians eradicated all Philosophy but Platonic and Aristotelian once they became state religion.
"two religions rarely get along in the same state"
Ok based
on facts
Well, I live in Slovakia, and there are mainly Catholics and Lutherans. Even tho Catholics are an overwhelming majority and there were some religious conflicts, but only in 1st half of 18th century. Since then, both catholics get along well. Since then, they cooperated on various projests: for example, they cooperated in Slovak national awakement. In fact, most of the leaders of Slovak national movement were Catholic priests or Lutheran pastors. So yeah, it is possible for two religions(two cults in our case) to get along
I lives in a country where 6 different religions co exist, although there always debates and shit like that but people generally tolerant and don't want to interfere with other religion businesses. Why bother to enforcing believe or disbelief if you could tax them all right?
wow Stalin was such an incel
He had children. He was very attractive in his youth. You can't just use the word incel to mean anything you don't like. It has a real meaning of someone who is involuntarily celebate, which Stalin clearly wasn't.
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of human hands. They have mouths, but do not speak; eyes, but do not see. They have ears, but do not hear; noses, but do not smell. They have hands, but do not feel; feet, but do not walk; and they do not make a sound in their throat. Those who make them become like them; so do all who trust in them.☦️🇷🇺🙏🏻
Indeed, same things about orthodoxy too 😏
is it true that some people say atheistic personality cults are religious to blame religion for the negative effects of this particular anti religious ideology
Many Atheists will me tiene past horrors committed by the church to justify their hatred of the Bible or religion in general, they believe in a non existent religion Science, which still hasn't found any good evidence that God isn't real. And many of them just became Atheists for no good reason.
Nah, it's human nature. Communists couldn't find something else for "higher figure" in the mind of Russian people, so instead they just replace the worship of God to the cult of dictators. Normally in other countries who don't run state atheism, religions goes hand in hand with cult of state symbol.
Fun (I guess) fact: Stalin whent 2 Times to confession during ww2
I heard that in a documentary, I'm skeptical on how true it is.
@@Darkfawfulx prob. True since the ban on religion was lifted at the start of the German invasion (for propaganda purposes) and was less strict until Stalin's death. He probably was agnostic.
This really was an "Explain that, atheists" moment
Well, they were stopped by the war and it's necessity to appeal to highest of authorities and it ultimately proved that nationless state project was a futile endeavour.
The video you were talking I watching a movie couple year ago, K23 Submarine during the 60’s Soviet navy person who is orthodox person stop nuclear radiation.
Whilst a lot of people can justify and agree with militant opposition to magical thinking and organized religion.
Destroying artifacts like that for no real purpose when they could've sold it for more value and also manage to preserve history at the same time... It feels so fucked!
An atrocity which is understated and never talked about
Idk but when Marx said: "religion is opium of the masses, the soul of souless world" that's actually sounds defending religions rather than encourage to destroy it.
Wow thanks for the info mate
Well because Marxism is a religion, then Karl Marx words (just like Christ or the apóstoles words) can be interpreted in multiple ways.
@@pavelm.gonzalez8608 marxism isnt an religion.
The party saw themselves as gods@@ilovespongebob7840
@@loona_mew no?
Crazy!
Your voice is so sweet
Salva, Senhor o Teu povo, e abençoa a Tua herança!
Concede aos cristãos ortodoxos a vitória contra os inimigos!
E guarda-nos que somos Tua morada pelo poder da Tua Cruz!
God bless Russia and the Church 🙏❤️☝️☦️
stalin is better than god
@@NBrioDaZueraRules stalin is dead in hell and God is alive ruling above our universe ☝️
@@MaximusAugustusOrthodox hell doesn't exist and neither does god, stalin may be dead but at least he existed, unlike yahweh
Lord bless us!.☦️🙏🏻
@@NBrioDaZueraRules Stalin is in hell with his friend Adolf
Good job Communist kuddos to you all
Common commie L
@Zaptic swine
I remeber A documentry where lenin talks about god being real because of human motivation and something like that
"A photo of the leader like an icon looking down from above," then America and Canada worship their leaders like gods.
False equivalency
@@Testimony_Of_JTF lmao. How? They both have photos of leaders in various places. Canada had photos of the Queen in courthouses and such.
@@proletariennenaturiste Yeah but they're a monarquy my dude, why would a non monarqu have his face splattered in so many places? He was creating a cult of personality
I don't like monarquy btw
@@Testimony_Of_JTF So a country can't have someone's face somewhere? Especially if it's non-monarchical? And I don't think it was required to have photos of Lenin or Stalin. And Stalin denounced the cult of personality and did things to stop it, but later gave up and embraced it during the 2nd World War for instance, sounds like the religious situation described in the video, no? You could argue that Stalin was pullin' a Caesar in the beginnin', but I don't know.
America has flags everywhere, but it doesn't plaster the faces of current presidents on every office and house. Not even older, revered presidents. Compare that to the USSR.
Perhaps the soviet union was not trying to destroy the Church...
It is just sad, as a Slavic - American (born in USA, parents from Russian, and Ukraine) I have mad respect for my Parents, Grand-Parents Great Grand- Parents, and Great Great grandparents who remained Christian throughout the Soviet Union Especially as Pentcostal Protestants."
What was the background song for fist 2 minutes
If you are talking about the one after the intro then it's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Battle_Is_Going_Again
All others are just random orthodox chants
@@Setarko thank you
I was in Georgis two years ago. In the museum in Tblisi there is an exibit about the Terror. Stalin killed a lot of priests as well as other intellectuals.
I would hate to have pictures of the leaders in buildings! Nobody wants to see it all the time!
This is very good. I do think somewhere it would've been good to differentiate the Catholic Church in France from the Orthodox one in Russia in their respective time periods. Although practices may have been similar, I find it important to make sure people at least know you weren't speaking of the same "church." Well done brother. I certainly couldn't do what you do.
Long live Orthodoxy ☦️🇬🇷🇷🇸🇷🇺
The crackdown on Latvian folk religion, or 'Dievturība', was quite brutal as well. As soon as the USSR invaded, the upper echelons, "clergy", if you will, got murdered, deported, and imprisoned, and accused of being nazis and fascists.
Because Dievturība was a smaller movement, only in the hundrers and thousands, and tied exclusively to one region - Latvia, it was effectively wiped out in the mainland, being strictly underground, and overseas maintained by the diaspora, until independence was restored.
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ideology is just another name for religion, instead of god we say idea, it's just using different names for the same things.
But this is only the surface, this division of science vs religion is nonesense, there's nothing that's not religious, science is just another religion, but this goes much further than this, the roman republic was a religion, the Athenian Polis was a religion, even a clan is a religion where you worship your ancestors as minor deities. But it goes even further than that, sports are religions, in the Illiad the greeks would play "sacred games" to honor a god or as a funeral, each football team is a religion, where you worship the team and seek to serve the team by wining matches. And this goes on and on, everywhere.
Science is not a religion what are you talking about. Science is a _method_ . An idea is scientific when it is observable, repeatable and reliable. A religious idea is a belief held as _faith_ , which is where you believe something in spite of the _lack_ of tangible evidence
@@rotor7726 it's a religion where you worship god by gathering his missing parts until he becomes whole again at the end of history, it's a rebranding of alchemy. This narrative that divides the world between science and religion has no criteria for that division, both have a telos, a creation myth, dogmas, rites, etc. Nobody devotes their life to a method, and the scientific institutions are maintained by the devoted work of those that "believe in the promise of science", which is to say have faith in science, which is to say worship science. If it is a method then that has nothing to do with the organized religion that are the scientific community and universities, those are part of Science the religion, everything is science the method.
Ideology isn't self justifying
@@sababugs1125 what do you mean "self justifying"? Ideology, or religion, doesn't need to justify itself, that's just taken for granted. The point of them is to justify and explain everything else, and they create identity.
@@acuerdox Not true, there are many hypothesized "creation myths" or we call them theories, and we have zero faith in them actually. They are just that, theories. The observable information they use to give it there best shot. It's better than lore isn't it? At least give them that. Einstein used mathematics to hypothesize black hole phenomenon, at that time we couldn't even get close to orbit! He was proven correct by observable evidence we only have now, Math is the language of the universe... God's language?
USSR kinda worked like a theocracy imo.
No it did not, stop talking like you know anything about the USSR or what theocracy means.
Im sure there is a joke to be made about how fighting God is futile in here somewhere
You can't fight a god that doesn't exist. So God will always exist in the minds of those people who want to believe. They never have a real god to disappoint them.
The Russian Orthodox Church re-opened again by 1944, and continued until Khrushchev took power. He closed the Churches again.
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and this is exactly why u should call USSR Russia all the time
yeah the communists drew up the borders in ukraine, kyrgzstan, azerbaijan, tajikistan, uzbekistan, armenia, causing all this mess. And forced everyoen there to learn new languages, when they all just spoke Russian. I dont get why some Russians even like praise the USSR a bunch, im really patriotic, and the only time I would ever wave the ussr flag is on victory day, other than that it was an evil empire, and just shrunk the borders of russia so much and did so much ethnic cleansing to russians.
@@freedomwhenneeded well I won't argue or agree with u, but I'll say that for a "basically russian empire" USSR supported minorities and derussification a bit too much and a bit too often
@@benismann only in the beginning. After ww2 especially russian was mandatory
@@AmirSatt yea but r u sure it's not the case of russian being used as a lingua franca across the union? (just like the english is rn. And just like it's forced rn too)
@@benismann no, I dont think so. There were attemts to make Soviet Union truly internationalist union of equal nations by Lenin. But after that national policy became more pragmatic. Russians were de facto titular nation, no matter what others would say. Stalin himself admitted that, saying without russians, everything would collapse. There was also an ethnicity graph in Soviet passports, and it was mandatory to write it. Non russians were not always trusted and could not get specific jobs and because of that other ethnicities wrote themselves as ruskies. I also have a soviet birth sertificate where I am written as "uzbek" (despite being only 1/4 uzbek lol). Also the language policy was assimilationist, I have 0 direct russian ancestors but I am russian speaking and barely know my language (all post soviet republics are more or less russified)
The best thing the Soviet Union has done was the vacation places they built by the oceans, and forests for the workers! Those places should have been upkept for tourism! In the future! I’m so sad they fell into disrepair! If I was a oligarchs I would buy them up and make resourts out of them and advertise to other countries to come stay there. Of course they need airports to service them!
God it's so nice to see Marxism being portrayed as what it is.
A breath of fresh air today, really
Atheism isn't dead and never will, we will never submit to any magical fantasy like you do
@@magi300 You have submited to your own sins. God help you.
i know right ? it's always great to see an unbiased video showing Communism/Socialism's true evil colors
@@magi300 how is it a magical fantasy ? if people still follow and practice it after millennia
It was in Germany
What's Russian for first?
Первый
depends on the gender
As far as i know, masculine can be taken as the base for a word.
Unfortunate that they couldn't get rid of religion.
Very fortunate. Atheists are evil demons, Atheists rule North korea, they also rule China, glad they couldn't ruin Russia 🙏☦❤🇷🇺❤☦🙏
Cope
@@apologiaromana4123 religion is the biggest form of coping
@@ThogDontCare Complaining that you weren’t able to get rid of the most fundamental aspect of human being is coping, more so than religion
@@apologiaromana4123 coping is the use of an idea or thing to distract one's self from something negative. Simply saying "x is unfortunate" is not coping. Religion however is coping in every aspect. You cope with the fact that your life is short & death is permanent. You cope by believing the facade that you'll just magically come back after you perish & believing that objectively bad people will end up in a place of suffering. Cope harder religtard.
The little Jewish tune in the end when mentioning your supporters... Ahahahah good one XD
69 years not 70 of Soviet rule
We always round up in math
Hi setako do you speak Russian
Bruh,he is russian
Bro how do you know
Basically … “ you cannot serve two masters…” Jesus.
Can you talk about the suppressions of muslims in ussr
11:53 "the extremely religious united states" that made me laugh out loud when i heard that
States used to be very extremely religious back then, especially in the south.
@@lukaswilhelm9290 depends what you mean by religious i guess
@@YouNoob573 puritans and conservative christians.
"Communists just like to boss people around." -Hank Hill
"I want To Detrone God And Destroy Capitalism" (Karl Marx) Blessed Be.
i think nothing can beat religion, communism, capitalism, socialism, imperialism and etc.. Religion itself is not bad (sometimes)
The bible did predict that your faith in christ would Lead people to persecute and kill you.
So its very understandable that most people chose christ and never let go of him.
Why? Do they want to be persecuted and killed? Religion offers false promises to people.
Why are you people so delusional?? Every group of people has been prosecuted at some point in history, you are not unique.
@@greywolf7577
Like communism itself?
@@greywolf7577blessed are Martyrs
@@greywolf7577
It's funny how much it makes you seethe to hear Jesus is king
An excellent video. One great service that the Soviets did perform, so I have read, was to prevent the Central Asian republics from being liable to Islamic fundamentalism...because under Soviet rule the locals acquired a taste for vodka. If the British and French had given their Muslim subjects a similar taste for alcohol then the world would be a much more peaceful place now.
No actually thats not true, the reason is the enforced Soviet atheism that secularised central Asia even then Central asia was always chill and most terrorists are a direct or indirect result of Soviet and American intervention in Afghanistan then American intervention in the Middle east as well as enforced secularism by arab nationalists and as Islam was being revived many wanted to restore the caliphate (the only time where muslims were actually prospering) but many failed and many were extremist reactionaries to American/Western Intervention also your literally praising them for what they did to Muslims while defending the christians such hypocrisy. Yes Oppress the Muslims to make them peaceful but no not the Christians! Poor christians and boo Muslims is what your saying.
I call that bs, central Asians always culturally very different than middle east including its approach to Islam that's why they're more secular. The largest muslim nation on earth, Indonesia known to have many muslims who drink alcohol and gambling but it don't prevent them to become religious at the same time(talking about hypocrisy).
Never got the massive hate of religion from the USSR, its one of the massive reasons ppl hated to live in the USSR. Also a priest was part of the reason for the hatred of the tsar, when he tried to give a list of wants from the ppl to the tsar and was shot during a peaceful march, which caused ppl to hate the tsar as a corrupt and evil figure.
If anything orthodox Christianity has been a relatively peaceful religion. Excluding the persecution of heretics at the beginning.
Comapring its records against a lot of other religions . It's pretty good.
Don't challenge Jesus - you will lose. ✝️❤️
Jesus has been dead for 2000 years. He can't do anything any more.
God bless Russia 🇷🇺 ☦️🇬🇷
Worst part about this are the countless destroyed artifacts. Shame
The USSR failed majorly at supressing faith
At the end of the day God always wins, no matter how hard u try to supress him.
what about the islamic republics?
They also suffered a lot. The damage soviets caused to abrahamic religion in their republics was enormous. To this day people in such republics are irrelgious and often times dont now the basics of religion. because back then there was no internet to learn about islam during the time of crises.
@@MustafaAli-lb8dq thanks for the info. always wondered whether they demolished mosques like they did to churches or was it different.
@@qazifaran I am not Russian but based on what I read: yes they did demolish and closed several mosques, executed countless clerics and banned hijab. But they were less persecuted that is to say the least because by today's standards they the persecution muslims faced is very very high. But christians suffered ever worse.
@@MustafaAli-lb8dq Thanks for the info
They suffered less, but it's not like the reduction of Religion was bad, it was good.
Who invited the bishops to Stalins funeral.
Nice.
Could you do a video about why religion resisted in Russia but is disapearing in Europe and USA?
@@Maxzes_ only chad conservative ideas nothing extremist my friend
@@Silver_Prussian your "Chad" ideas made your country into a warmongering corrupt imperialistic shithole
@@Silver_Prussian what are you conserving again? israel? extremism is good
Because liberalism took hold in the 60s and 70s and became the new religion in the West
I mean it is also why American and European societal structures are collapsing today
Any Christian, Muslim or Atheist can read the Bible and look at Roman history to see for themselves, you can't persecute a faith like Christianity out of existence. The Orthodox church was more damaged by compromising with the Soviets than by persecution, compare Jehovah's Witnesses who were similarly persecuted, did not compromise, and were more than four times larger at the end of the Soviet union than when it began. Faith in Jehovah is like a dandelion, hit it with a hammer and the seeds spread.
Glory be unto ELELOHEYISRA'EL YAHSHUAH HA'MOSHIACH.
Greetings and Peace be unto you Brother Setarko , to your family and others that are far off.
I love the fact that you used Psalm 50 (51) Aramaic used in Orthodoxy , it is so beautiful. We all require the forgiveness of ELELOHEYISRA'EL YAHSHUAH HA'MOSHIACH.
but they succeeded, every church in russia is just a propaganda vehicle in the hands of the great lord of the earth (not god)
The religious elements in the Marxist-Leninist parties were extremely predominant, borrowing from Christian mysticism, down right to how many urns there should be at the cemetery or mausoleum of prominent party members (or how mummifying a leader is a good idea). Lenin, Stalin (a seminar dropout, in itself proving that it is, to say the least, not impossible for a clergyman to be atheist - probably why there will be always dissent against any religion by parts of the population) and later leaders bore personal grudges against the church, but only Lenin had any notion of Marxism. The rest, like Stalin or Khrushchev, were practically illiterate in this field (yes, Stalin "published" his "own" tomes on the matter ).
While Lenin despised religion on a personal level, because of events such as the loss of his brother, the main reason why the persecutions started is simple. Marxism-Leninism is materialistic, extremely hostile to idealistic ideas. While (of course) materialism has been proven to be gibberish (the splitting of the atom for instance made many of Lenin's work instantly obsolete), the persecutions took place in part because while Marxism is hard to grasp (if not being literate in philosophy at least back till' Hegel), Christianity holds morals, morals that need to be put down, since the New Man concept (akin to that of the NSDAP) requires the total subjugation of the person to the collective (one uses internationalism, the other nationalism to that end, but neither can stomach any kind of classic religion).
"'Matter disappears' means that the limit within which we have hitherto known matter disappears, and that our knowledge is penetrating deeper; properties of matter are disappearing that formerly seemed absolute, immutable, and primary, and which are now revealed to be relative and characteristic only of certain states of matter. For the sole 'property' of matter, with whose recognition philosophical materialism is bound up, is the property of being an objective reality, of existing outside of the mind."-Lenin
Can you explain the atom split and materialism thing?
What an appalling thumbnail. Seriously I’m neither ortho or catho but that’s a very ignorant thumbnail pic and choice.
Growing up catholic and being some kind of theist, I am also very much against organized religion. One of the few good things Socialism accomplished in some of the satellite states was the reduction of people's dependence on an all might invisible organization that has a solution for all things. Spirituality should not be controlled by a church or by a state but should be a personal choice. It is a shame to see all the advances in culture that the USSR achieved being destroyed by the corrupt dealing of the current Russian church and the it's politicians. It has set back Russia once again decades and is likely to be one of the reasons the current atrocities are being justified. Appeal to a higher power that will absolve all your sins if you fight in favor of the great State / Religion.
Ave Maria
God willing, Russia will become holy once again!