I put Ruan Mei with Himeko and Herta in the latest PF after trying the with Tingyun as buffer and Pela as debuffer. My score increase from 33k to easy 40k with even 1 cycle left. Ruan Mei is just insane
0:30 I wasn't a fan of DOT style i used to play ILDH.. but when i pulled black swan by mistake i said to myself well, let's give it a shot.. and OMG man I was impressed to the point that I shifted my whole play style to the DOT type.. the dmg is unbelievable and the feel of getting 300k+ dmg is insane it's so fun
@@themightyfleaforonce4656 new player my team is level 60 but I destroyed Sim universe with black swan and guinafen with path of nihility. I was getting 30-40k dots when my ratio hunt path only hits for 10+k.
@@YoneTubeeyea me too even without weakness I go nihility and it just demolish everything. I currently run e0s1 kafka and e1 bs, no luck on reforged remembrance
"The more units of a particular type you have, the less value people get" Except Kafka. The more DoTs she has the better she gets. Even if they release another DoT detonator, why not just double up and detonate DoTs with Kafka and the 2nd DoT detonator?
You can detonate dots with gunifen or e4 Sampo. I've seen people play bs, Kafka, Sampo etc. If another 5* came out itd be good. Especially cuz black swan can still apply alot of arcana on her normal attacks
@@kuyarence that's the point, she's a follow up synergist, just like how kafka is a dot synergist they both only gain from having more characters that do dot or follow up attack (I probably should've explained this in my first reply to avoid confusion) I wasn't comparing the idea that they were both dots or something but rather that they synergise with certain playstyles and therefore only gain from other units falling into those playstyles
Loucha's hidden talent: generate skill points for your team. Even though most of them use Huohuo, Luocha is a luxury character for me. No need to worry about skill points. In SU, Swarm & G&G, with Erudition blessings, he literally deals more dmg before my dps could finish it 😆
His talent is not that noticeable when in play. He is a comfy character in terms of eccesive healing but thats about it. He really doesnt provide that much for the team (unless you have idleons) and even with idleones if you wanna get into it Huohuo still is better than him with idlelones too
He will lose his mind when he see imbibitor lunae in ss tier and huo huo/silver wolf in s tier, the unfounded hatred he have for those characters is insane
Mtashed, you're missing out. DOT characters are my favorite. Nothing like seeing a boss's life drain on their turn. It's like "oh you thought you were going to attack me, how adorable!"
As a day 1 Herta main, I'm so glad to see her finally escape the D and C tiers. Can't thank Hoyoverse enough for adding Pure Fiction to bump her up. The only issue now is, I don't like Himeko...so I can't make her as cracked as she could be in PF until I finally break and build her.
Bailu is great not only for healing, but her passive allows your team to tank damage that you might not typically do. It acts similarly to Fu Xuan field but only a limited number of times and it's per ult instead of skill. Obviously not having a cleanse sucks, but for opponents that burst you down like Sam or the twin aurumatons in G&G, Bailu will literally save runs.
Sam is honestly a good place where bailu thrives over someone like FX cause against sam u take so much damage from using ur skill it hurts and FX can't heal it .....I can see her classing out hou hou cause she heals at only start of the turn............but bailu is worse then loucha on every possible way.........cause loucha is literally the " TRY to die char"
@@Accountthatexists HuoHuo also heals on ult. And characters below half health heal even when its not their turn. Unfortunately, imma have to disagree on the huohuo take.
@@Accountthatexistsi disagree on huo huo canz even if her healing is worse and doesn't have a emergency heal like other characters, the utility she provides is not something to scoff at .
@@Accountthatexistsi disagree with bailu out classing huo huo. Huo huo can turn your allies skills and ult into panic heals. Especially if you are below 50% health any action can heal you plus cleanse. Only thing bailu has one up on huo huo is the revive
i think huohuo deserves ss, you mention theres other healers that can sustain but the fact that she is basically a harmony unit at the same time makes her busted as hell. huohuo and tingyun can make any dps spam the hell out of their ult while also providing the best healing in the game
Watching this video, I definitely feel a bit bad about not pulling much for Huohuo. Granted, I was new to the game (joined in 1.5 update) and wasn't aware how much I'd appreciate having her later down the line. I'm definitely considering pulling for Fu Xuan over Acheron when 2.1 Part 1 Banners come out.
yes aim Fu Xuan and her LC simulation universe is a breeze if you have them both the LC practically negates all "HP down by xx %" SU debuff it's insane
I will also go for fu xuan even thow I am an acheron main. I will also try my luck for adventurie too to try if I can get him just cuz Dr ratio work well with him (praying for a topaz too but i have to see)
@@sorinamarcu5357 considering how Topaz is returning alongside Aventurine's banner, you have a chance. Just a matter if your Stellar Jade count, and potentially your wallet, can handle it
I also dont have a sustain except for gepard, bailu and the other 2 free four stars. And of those i only build bailu and lynx. I might want to skip acheron as well for a sustain because i really struggle with enemies who can cc me or put dots on my characters
Tectone convinced me not to pull Huohuo and I don't regret it. Her character design is not appealing to me. She's a scared girl that will never grow up. The wolf ghost is really cool though
I kind of just realized something looking at this. The nice thing about HSR is that they actually do provide some incentive to pull for some of these characters based off the different gameplay modes the devs have put in since launch. It does, unfortunately, become a case of people needing more than what you might otherwise need from Genshin, but they succeeded in giving players the incentive to build otherwise trash characters like Himeko and Herta without giving them some kind of buff, and instead, using a whole entire gameplay mode that actually becomes VERY VERY satisfying when you manage to proc one follow-up attack after another with them. I absolutely LOVE it, and hope they put one, two, maybe three more game modes in HSR, but no more than that, lest it becomes too flooded. Anyway, it really baffles me how two teams from the same company can think SO differently from one another. But in the case of Genshin, I've come to the conclusion that maybe it's really not the devs that are holding it back so much as it is mobile. Think about it -- which platform is the most cumbersome to play on? It's mobile, because the controls they have available to them are for more constrictive unless you have a controller. Not only that, but performance is often times lower than what you have on PC and Console, even to the point where they had to keep the load in Teapot on the lower end to accommodate them. So maybe the reason they have a game centered more around minigames and just garbage in general is more for the mobile crowd, especially since that's probably the largest demographic of where the casual player base are coming from.
I've built all three of the non 5 star limited healers, and with Bailu and Lynx I've still not encountered a situation where I've wanted to use Natasha. Plenty of MoC phases benefit from having cleanse, sure, but usually it's not necessary, and so far it's never been necessary for both phases. Usually I wish that I could just use Bailu on both. Her rez often functions as a kind of free heal and cleanse. Of course, what I really wish is to get one of the better healers. No idea what I was thinking skipping Huohuo.
@@reulery jingyuan and blade will always be stuck in A cause people at prydwen keep sucking seele off and thinking that dogwater char is in the same teir as Dr ratio QQ dhil and jinglui........
About Lynx and Gepard, I built both and use them everyday. They are both in the same tier. Depending on the team, when you don't need cleanse Gepard is better otherwise Lynx is better. Gepard : - provide massive shield - need speed boots and an energy rope to perform well and be SP positive - if too slow compare to the rest of your team you'll run out of shield really often - really bad with characters who advance others or have multiple turns between his turns (Bronya, Sparkle, Seele, Sushang etc) shield will vanish in a blink Lynx : - really good with destruction or preservation, skill give aggro - heal is pretty low even with a good build - cleanse is on ultimate and remove only 1 debuff. Not reliable against Kafka and other enemies who land multiple debuffs. Sometimes the debuff you need to be cleansed aren't (ex: lightning DoT is cleansed instead of charm) Due to enemies and characters available now, both have major flaws even though they can perform great most of the time
Gepard is the really good at preventing one-shots IMO which is actually fairly important in MoC. Of course not as good as Fu Xuan but I'd still take him over Lynx most of the time.
For me, I say Ruan Mei is the best character in the game for the fact that shes not only a giga offensive buffer, but the way her kit works allow her to reduce the pressure on ur sustains
I think you're undervalueing luocha a lil bit. He can actually also strip enemy buffs, and he is so skill points positive because u don't need to use his skill. So I think he is just a different kind of good with the other sustains
I like this tier list, I agree with almost everything you say. Only thing that stood out to me was March being in B tier. I would place her in mid to low A tier because of her Freeze ult. She has a good shield too if you build her right, and at e6 she can also be a mini healer. I say mini because it’s not that much, but it can be helpful if you keep the shield(s) up on your character(s). I’ve never used Gepard because I don’t have him, but I can see why he’s above March because of his ult, so I’d maybe move him above March in A tier too. Thanks for this video :D Will be interesting to see what else there come up with
For those who lost the ruan mei 50/50 (me 😢 to bronya so not a loss) black swan, Kafka, asta, and Natasha works insanely good! I do use someone’s ruan mei as support for farming lol
As an F2P I got Kafka bc of hype that time I got Huo Huo bc I lost to Silverwolf and I thought oh she's cute, why not? Got Ruan on 20 pulls on accident Got Black Swan bc everyone said to me that I have a good team for DOT 😂 Also, I have DHIL & Jing Yuan and they told me to pull for Sparkle for my second team so I did 😂 The only problem is I don't own any of their 5* lightcones 🥺
I would put DOT characters on S tier assuming you run them with Kafka. If not, then A tier. The only downside with DOT characters is that they are very high investment due to them working best when there's at least 2 of them on the team (plus scaling on their traces is pretty big). BUT, that high investment usually reaps huge rewards in terms of being able to deal huge damage. Plus, unlike traditional DPS who use crit rate/dmg and ATK, DOT units only want ATK and EHR which is 1 stat less to worry about. This makes them easier in terms of farming for good relics.
I feel bad for all the people who skipped Dan Heng IL because they were told "Jingliu is way better, he's not worth it anymore" only for him to become the strongest DPS in the game half a patch later with Sparkle
luocha can heal in turn, off turn, talent (SO MUCH) , dispell buffs , cleanse , scales of ATK, i feel you undermestimate luocha he is still pretty solid
The buffs that the other limited abundance and preservation units (huohuo and fu Xuan) provide in addition to their sustain is simply just more valuable than just sustaining
But he's not unique , the others can do their job excellent, luocha can do most things but just average (his ulti with some oldbies might be not useful bc in my experience the boss buff won't be a problem when you can clean them for good), you have 4 slot , so you need some units that excellent at their job
I feel like while JL was the #1 DPS before sparkle's release, DHIL has taken his crown again (just for this half patch and then we get more crazy DPS) However- neither DHIL nor Jingliu should be in the SS tier. They should be high S at most. DHIL and Jingliu are not characters you should pull that open up "more teams" for you to use. With *Sparkle, Ruan Mei, Fu Xuan, and Kafka*, they can bring C and D tier units all the way up to S tier purely on their amplification alone. (Kafka is a bit of a weirder case, but her being a DOT detonator goes crazy) If you have 2 out of those 4 units, your account should be able to clear MOC and PF with a few good relics on pretty much any of the limited DPS characters, or in Kafka's case, any of the DOT characters depending on weakness. DHIL and JL are good characters, and the best DPS we have in the game currently, but neither of them are game changing in the same way those four are.
I agree with DHIL and JL both being at S. They are very good and the best DPSes but people make the gap between the limited DPSes seem bigger than it actually is. At low investment you’ll notice JL being better but at mid-high investment you’ll notice DHIL being better and other limited DPSes being just slightly worse if not equal. People just exaggerate the OPness of them when it’s the supports that make them great. Kafka is definitely a weird case though. She’s definitely required for the DoT archetype but she alone isn’t enough to make it great. You’ll want Ruan Mei and a 5 star DoT DPS(Black Swan right now but there could be others later on) to make the archetype really good otherwise it’s just meh with 4 stars in my experience(and just worse than even hypercarries with 4 star supports). You can’t use just pull Kafka and assume she’ll make DoT S tier the same way you can pull Ruan Mei or Sparkle and make a DPS S tier so while she’s definitely the cornerstone of DoT teams she isn’t on the same level as supports or even necessary to your account unless you want to play DoT teams. I’d still rank her with other DPSes tbh.
My JYe0S1 I just use him everywhere since 1.0 and clear everything full stars I might struggle with lightning res enemies but still pulling through, of there is no lightning I just use SW. What is good about JY it's his versatility PF or MoC you can plug him everywhere. He and Blade are my most invested dpses. I like Blade for comfiness, but JY is my go to so far if I need to clear something.
I had a hard time with JY. His traces are maxed but somehow, relying on lightning lord is not comfortable for me to the point I'd rather use serval for lightning weakness. Even with the addiction of sparkle, I'd still rather run sparkle with QQ. It's just not fun for me to wait for lightning lord to do big damage. Good to know some people enjoy him, I hope I can find a way to enjoy him too lol.
@@plutoadmirer9904 probably just not you favorite way of playing, what I like it's full aoe with skill/ult, it may not be strong, but you can remedy it with harmonies etc.And them at the end if you do right rotations LL just lands a big nuke. 😁 Serval is good too, I play her sometimes on my other account, she's completely different for sure.
Ngl I feel like Gepard is under-appreciated. Like yeah he has no cleanse but if he's the only one getting cc'ed because of his high aggro (which gets even higher with his LC) then it doesn't really matter. Also his shields when you build him enough, can last enough for him to keep it permanently active on the team. Not to mention while yeah he only shields (and freeze if you use his skill a lot) the shield is so helpful in cases like fighting against the witch that reduces your hp by turning a portion of it to gray (like what's that gonna do if she can't even touch your hp bar because of his thick ass shield) but from my experience? I had the best time with him right now when fighting against Sam the new boss. Sam has a mechanic that reduces a person hp when they use a burning skill point. And if you use Gepard for that stage, yeah having to think about who should sacrifice their hp goes out the window cause again, even if you get like 1 hp left, his thick ass shield is enough to tank Sam's shenanigans. So yeah, Geppie definitely deserves some love
My problem with gepard is his shield duration tied to other unit's turn. I really like my DPS to be either high speed or carried by fast bronya/sparkle. The shield on my DPS is expired too fast for gepard to keep up. If only the shield is tied to gepard's turn, it will be much much better.
@@plutoadmirer9904 yup if you use fast units like Seele or Sushang, or use Supports with action advancement like Sparkle or Bronya, the shield expires very quickly, but if you use units with normal speed (like 134) the shield lasts for a long enough to time to have 100% uptime
@@Miku-Izayoi yup. But I used jingliu, or other DPS with bronya/ sparkle the most in moc so he can't keep up. The only time I use him is when I play Dr ratio that doesn't use action advancement. And he blocked me from getting Kafka, topaz, and black swan, so my opinion is biased because of my resentment lol. As e3s1 gepard haver, I despise gepard lol.
@@awatcher4965 nah he's actually much better than average, but not theorycrafter level. Compare this list with an average star rail player and it's actually fairly accurate besides the dot stuff (which he admits he doesnt play). He was definitely off on some units but it's not a terrible list
@@QMS9224 If you consider the average player being super casual and not even knowing what the different paths are for, playing quad sustain comps because they don't care about anything else besides pulling characters they think are hot, he is definitely one of the better poeple out there if you exclude theorycrafters. At least he is open and honest about not knowing where to place units because he doesn't own them or hasn't had the chance to test them
Im always listening to your tips and ideas! Im new at the game, and ever since i saw you in yt. Maaannn, my genshin impact and honkai starrail exp shoots off the roof with excitement! Hope you make more contents like tipa for beginners! More power to you MTASHED!! ❤
In my opinion, luocha is excellent for newbie and for not fully built team(weak) or some players that don't know how to play a team with a complex healer like huohuo😅 , while huohuo is an excellent for you when you need the final form of that team , the strongest option to 0 or very few cycles , the unit that you need to maximize your damage
Great vid tashed man, i definitely see why you placed certain characters in their respective grades. However, imo, I feel like the only character that I had somewhat of an issue with was DHIL. Dont get me wrong, hes a very strong unit- but his playstyle and kit is very limiting for many team comps that would potentially hinder a lot of new players/players with limited characters. I feel like his playstyle and limitations would put him in high S tier- just due to his overwhelming strength and specificity in team composition. Just my 2 cents (i know this tier list isnt end all be all), but asides from that- great video as always!
As i said before in other videos such as this i think Dan Heng IL and Jing Yuan should have the synergie icon on them. Without Sparkle their performance didn't improve from before and not everyone has the luxury to pull and actually get a premium 5*.
What i love about Welt is how crazy he is paired up with Ruan Mei.. Esepcially Ruan Mei with the new Break Effect Relic.. She can gives 50% BE alone to other teammates.. And Welt with his own imprisonment from his ult & breaking, can double down on slowing the enemies.. This open up more move for other dps to do.. especially good pair with ratio since he gives both slow and imprisonment, plus if you gave silverwolf / luka lc.. with ruan mei ult..
nice cut g edit: dont sleep on dot characters, they are extremely powrful especially with ruan mei. The only 5 star youll ever need is kafka and the 4 stars is pretty solid. But im hoping that along the way 5 star dots become more powerful and crazy. BS is a clear example of how her kit is very broken.
I think Geopard is in a good spot cuz besides the shields on his ult he also has a high chance of freezing a non broken enemy. However now that we know what Aventurine can do based on his perspective quest he is clearly a much better shielder that Geopard as he has a shield readily available on his skill and his follow up attack that occurs after anyone with his shield is attacked grants additional shield after the attack triggers and he can get multiple stacks in one turn even with multi hitting AOE attacks and he also puts effect res up as well with the shield. With this Aventurine could give the team infinite shields in the right scenarios and is better at keeping the turn flow of a team in motion. Also Aventurine and Himiko work well together since Aventurine can gain more stacks for his follow up attack to trigger sooner.
The tier list definitely plays into current MoC/Pure Fiction strengths and weaknesses for current enhancements. Nihility comp has a lot of strength, as someone with E2S1 DHIL and E2S1 Jingliu, an E0S0 Kafka+Swan+Ruanmei comp is performing extremely well for me. This is because the whole team has every component, though, once Jingliu and DHIL get supports/debuffers catered specifically towards them, I think they will be even stronger. Sparkle is NOT catered towards DHIL if E2, it's impossible to have 100% uptime on Sparkle's buff with an E2 DHIL. Bronya will get powercrept for Jingliu soon if Sparkle doesn't.
People who dont play kafka black swan will never understand. I have e0s0 kafka and BS and it consistently outperforms my e1s1 jingliu. It's actually unfair how broken it is, I think the only thing that can compare is dhil and sparkle.
Nah, if this tier list "plays into current MoC/Pure Fiction strengths" JL should be below Dhil . There is literally no ice weakness in this Moc. Can JL brute force it? Yes. But it's harder and Her overall perfomance is dropping. Im even see that JY & seele beat JL in a lot of Moc stats
Wdym? Dot team isn't finish yet lol. No support catered dot team yet, no bleed 5* and no 5* fire dotter. If you look at it dot team has unlimited potential. Houhou is just a filler ATM and maybe there will be a ruan mei character for the dotter. Anyhow, ruan mei is still good at dot team
Sparkle is literally made for DHIL. She regens a bunch of SP and even gives dmg bonus based off SP consumed. The chances of them releasing a better sup for him than Sparkle in the future is so unlikely. sparkle of course isnt built around E2 DHIL. Dot team is stupid strong and missing a dot support and sustain.
I have Gepard built with a Sparkle team. She really helps in those lags between shields. Cut out a little DPS to push him up enough to proc a quick shield. Helps alot
I disagree with Fu Xuan being SS tier simply because she doesn't work in the hard Swarm Modes Swarm maybe but Gold and Gears completely destroys her and bosses one shot her Gepard being better then her in Sim Uni due to shielding disqualifies her for SS in my book and puts her in high S/S+ instead
It's now in between using Gepard and Fire MC (Preservation Path at least but Gepard is safer for all paths) for sustain at this point if you're playing G&G, Fu Xuan doesn't help at all if your enemies deal AoE nuke damage a.k.a instantly killing her especially in higher conundrums in G&G. Fu Xuan, personally for me, should be at least mid S.
It’s honestly wild he doesn’t build a DoT team. In January and February I pulled Ruan Mei, Kafka and Black Swan back to back to back and now one side of my MOC is completely on lock. If it goes past two cycles it’s user error. They’re so cracked it’s insane
I agree with RM being over sparkle. RM is so universal and her value doesn’t go down at all. I can’t see her being power crept unless someone does exactly what she does, but better. When it comes to sparkle she’s good in a lot of teams, but I feel like she was clearly made for certain teams ( mono quantum and DHIL)
@@Ohhsoodead Acheron at e0s0 isn't even that busted rn lol, once she gets BIS supports like how sparkle/tingyun are for Jing Yuan, then i can see her being S+.
Gepard is good though for tankier bosses, while Healer sustains a great like Lynx and have been Posed better than her bro gepard. Gepard shielding in SM is beastly against hard bosses who especially CAN EASILY one-shot Healer sustains like lynx with the enemy debuffing and Buffing the team.
I think Gepard is at least A. If you just stack defense on him and give him an energy rope, your team basically doesn’t take damage. I’ve used him with Jingliu and Jingliu did more damage to my characters than the enemy did
Gepard in B is just not it man lol. That guy has carried me since the beginning of the game. I only have Luocha and him and 36 star every MoC and PF. He can definitely solo sustain, especially if you happen to get his LC. You just need ER rope and to think before using his ult. Use it at the last possible moment before all the enemy turns or when it's about to expire. Definitely deserves A IMO.
Plus while DoT is not as flashy as hyper DPS, BS and Kafka putting all kind of DoTand then enemy got a turn and they exploded is so much fun and satisfying to see lol, Plus they don't need crazy substat like CRate and CDamage, Just atk, speed and EHR and you're ready to go.
7:00 gepard is 100% A tier. do not compare them like that. 1 is healer and 1 is shielder. there are cases when healing is useless. and having a shield is much important. Also the problems with him is mainly skill issue. if you build him well he can make your team basically untouched.
imo both tingyun and pela should be ss. both are 4 stars that are quite easy to get, and can even be guaranteed from the monthly shop. both give insane buffs, on par or even surpassing 5 stars of the same niche (tingyun energy generation can be more useful than sparkle's buffs and pela has aoe def shred, something that silver wolf doesnt. additionally, pela's ult is extremely easy to keep up, with 2 turn ultimates given you have the 1.1 light cone, meanwhile silver wolf has a 3 turn ult rotation which makes it harder to get all your debuffs applied).
People forget the most important thing about luocha . you will never need to use his skill, only Basic ATK and ultimate. Just build him with high speed and you will never run out of SP. I think he is better than huo huo.
Yeah agreed. But huo huo also really good because she can provide more than a healing which are 40% attk and some energy to everyone which will be really useful
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Started playing last patch when Black Swan came out and accidentally pulled on her banner instead of Lunae (thought I scrolled down, but didn’t) and got Black Swan and liking the Dot gameplay tbh. Now, trying to win 5050 on Sparkle’s banner.
I think just because Sparkle exists doesn't bring Hanya down. I have them both built and they just buff differently. I think they shouldn't be lumped in with each other just because they generate SP because they both do way more than that
I lost sparkle's 50/50 to e1 bronya 😭 But on the bright side, I can guarantee Acheron or aventurine. I can guarantee Acheron if I can get an early (happened to me with kafka rerun) or if the first half events give a lot stellar jades. Aventurine is guaranteed for me no matter what (in the situation that I don't get Acheron)
Luocha can strip buffs to with his ultimate. As a Seele owner whjo build and used her from the start Mr. Mtash was right about QQ. QQ profitated more then Seele from Sparkle. QQ is realy strong now and above Seele.
Luocha is sp generator as you literally dont need to spend a single SP(remember, using 1 skill means +0 sp within 2 turn. While if we keep basic means +2 sp) to keep team alive. He also imaginary breaker, something that people doesnt really apreciated because its indeed as minor as his ult that removes all enemies buff. Personally i dont have FU so i cant say much about her, but Luocha just fill his role as sustain good enough for me to clear all content as of right now. Also im using Quid pro quo on him so yeah can get some nice juice random energy for the team. While Huohuo not as SP positive like Luocha but she has buff capability that you might love. The less you need sp in your team the better she get. And endgame i mean 0 turn people sure love her
Imo, I think Sparkle is an S tier unit. The problem with her is that she doesn't have a debuff cleanse. Yes, she has an ult that provides you with 4 skill points and a damage buff and I think that's insane. Hence, why I think Bronya is still very broken. Also, her advance forward skill forcibly guarantees that your DPS will be the one to attack next unlike Sparkle's which is just "give your DPS advance forward."
That's why you have sustainers. She doesn't need a debuff. Just pair her with most sustainers and you have that. Also have you even used sparkle? It's incrediblly rare your dps isnt next after using sparkles skill. You sound like someone who is upset they lost a 50/50 and are just coping. Sparkle definitely powercrept bonya(she's still good though). This is a bad take sorry dude.
It would be interesting to see you invest on a DoT or follow up team just for a breath of fresh air. Doesn't matter if it's in your main or second account
Hot take but DoT character for now (pre Acheron) is the definition of casual. I like it because you don't need god tier relic because mostly they just need att, ehr and spd. (Break effect for some but it's really easy to achieve 200+ break effect lol)
Imho what really distinguishes characters like Ruan Mei and Fu Xuan from others, is either that they fulfill a function, which no one else covers as good as they do (Fu Xuan), or you have someone like Ruan Mei who is so good that she easily takes the spotlight of every other unit. No one else is as effective and as wide in coverage than she is. But at the same time we have units like Ting Yun and Bronya who are most certainly the cream of the crop, and they deserve their place in the high realm of S-Tier. - But I'm not so sure, whether Jingliu (as much as I use and love her), Kafka and Dan Heng deserve to be mentioned in the domain of SS Tier. They are within the highest Tier of DPS that we currently have. Most definitely, but they would have to fulfill a function or a role, which goes beyond that for me to count them as SS Tier. And if you keep in mind what distinguishes, say, Kafka from someone like Dr. Ratio or Blade, I would most certainly say, she is better than the two of them (because of her enabling a completely new play-style, and also her (high) AOE-Dmg.) But this does not mean that she deserves to be SS-Tier. For me she is in a similiar domain like E6 Ting Yun. But it is certainly true that Jingliu and Dan Heng are within a domain of their own. Whether this means that they are SS-Tier, we'll have to see. But for the moment I have the feeling that they should be placed at the highest spot within the S-Tier. Along with Huo Huo, Bronya and Ting Yun. And I also would add Sparkle to that. Although I must say she is - and could be - described as something like a "lower" SS Tier, which is crazy. And maybe this is the spot where Jingliu and Dan Heng really deserve to go. They are very formidable, but they are not "full" SS-Tier's like Ruan Mei is. For that reason it might be a good idea to further distinguish the SS from the SSS-Tier. And that might solve the current dilemma.
The value of support character is different than DPS. you cant compare them. Compare support to other support and dps to other dps, and then make the tierlist for each. Dhil and/or JL being a SS is for dps category as them being the strongest as of right now, and if future dps is better they simply will be dethroned just like that. Someone need to hold the throne.
@@genpotrait2274 I absolutely agree. The value of support characters is very different from a DPS. A lot of the muddle in these comparisons stems from the need to have a SS-Tier and put some charcters there, irrespespective of their contribution to their particular function, which is also why a bit of the assumptions about the other SS-tiers swaps over and thereby the recognition of someone as an SS-Tier becomes more difficult, because so much in your mind, which is not really related to their category in which they are good. So I agree. A lot of the comparisons would be made clearer, if we were to distinguish properly from the beginning. But I still have the impression that being the best DPS at the moment is not the same as someone being a SS character.
even tho i some pretty good units with many or max eidolons on every good 4 star character, i fucked up really bad since release, i really regret pulling for some units and wasting so much resources on useless relics or character i don't use at all, i'm right now on my first reroll account and this time i will use the knowledge i have and the knowledge u and other guide makers have, to make this account as viable as possible ... ^^
Man,I have tried every single team in this game,and I have to say that DoT:Black Swan with Kafka and Ruan Mei is the easiest team to build and overall the strongest team atm imo,second strongest team is follow up atk:Topaz,Ratio,Ruan Mei. Ruan Mei is easily the best unit in the game. If you guys don’t have her I suggest to pull on her rerun,cause she is essential for a lot of teams
Fu xuan and Ruan Mei have only 1 disadvantage...
That there can be only one at a time. ;_;
Universal characters.
Agree, the amount of times I’ve played MOC and wished I could’ve put her in both team slots😭
I put Ruan Mei with Himeko and Herta in the latest PF after trying the with Tingyun as buffer and Pela as debuffer. My score increase from 33k to easy 40k with even 1 cycle left. Ruan Mei is just insane
EXACTLY.
Fu xuan is getting powercrept hard with the latest aventurine buffs
Trueeeeee@@eggpam8908
0:30 I wasn't a fan of DOT style i used to play ILDH.. but when i pulled black swan by mistake i said to myself well, let's give it a shot.. and OMG man I was impressed to the point that I shifted my whole play style to the DOT type.. the dmg is unbelievable and the feel of getting 300k+ dmg is insane it's so fun
Have you done Simulated Universe with a DOT team and chosen Nihility path? Talk about easy mode. 😂
@@themightyfleaforonce4656 I've finished every single contet with nihility actually 😂😂 it's ridiculous
@@themightyfleaforonce4656 new player my team is level 60 but I destroyed Sim universe with black swan and guinafen with path of nihility. I was getting 30-40k dots when my ratio hunt path only hits for 10+k.
@@YoneTubeeyea me too even without weakness I go nihility and it just demolish everything. I currently run e0s1 kafka and e1 bs, no luck on reforged remembrance
I don't have ruan mei and so I run guinaifen. Firekiss+burn really helps, especially when you max stacked the firekiss
"The more units of a particular type you have, the less value people get"
Except Kafka. The more DoTs she has the better she gets. Even if they release another DoT detonator, why not just double up and detonate DoTs with Kafka and the 2nd DoT detonator?
Topaz?
@@trejohnson3363she's a Follow-up damage dealer not a DoT damage dealer tho.
You can detonate dots with gunifen or e4 Sampo. I've seen people play bs, Kafka, Sampo etc. If another 5* came out itd be good. Especially cuz black swan can still apply alot of arcana on her normal attacks
We need 5*bleed and 5* burn dotter and we shall see a new potential for dot team
@@kuyarence that's the point, she's a follow up synergist, just like how kafka is a dot synergist they both only gain from having more characters that do dot or follow up attack (I probably should've explained this in my first reply to avoid confusion) I wasn't comparing the idea that they were both dots or something but rather that they synergise with certain playstyles and therefore only gain from other units falling into those playstyles
Loucha's hidden talent: generate skill points for your team.
Even though most of them use Huohuo, Luocha is a luxury character for me. No need to worry about skill points. In SU, Swarm & G&G, with Erudition blessings, he literally deals more dmg before my dps could finish it 😆
He’s so comfy, I love him for that
His talent is not that noticeable when in play. He is a comfy character in terms of eccesive healing but thats about it. He really doesnt provide that much for the team (unless you have idleons) and even with idleones if you wanna get into it Huohuo still is better than him with idlelones too
Can't wait for the low effort tectone reaction LMAO
why? its ok tier list
He will lose his mind when he see imbibitor lunae in ss tier and huo huo/silver wolf in s tier, the unfounded hatred he have for those characters is insane
@@Charlos16 Luocho S tier and not SS am i feeling like he should be SS
@@linenfresh no
@@linenfreshi mean he put huo huo at S tier so i think it fair
16:05 Jing got a massive bust, you damn right he did
Yeah jing yuan is actually crazy good now against 3 enemies his follow up attack does 300k and ult 160k (mine does at least)
@@senioralexander0 🥲🥲
Im scared, traumatized after seeing that thumbnail with u smiling like this, it's 2am rn i don't feel like sleeping no more
Sleep with one hole close babe 😍
12:56 luocha can also remove buffs with his ult, maybe he thought about doing it with skill but didn't mention it
Alot of people just forget loucha has buff stripping in his ult
Even Luka's skill removes enemies buff
@@srimahimaa1918*debuff
Cocolia buffing and then my Luocha ulting.
@@exboom12no they're right
Mtashed, you're missing out. DOT characters are my favorite. Nothing like seeing a boss's life drain on their turn. It's like "oh you thought you were going to attack me, how adorable!"
In the dreamjolt event my Kafka hit for 1.2 mil on her ult. Shits insane
Dot teams literally give cancer to bosses, especially if you have Kafka or black swan
My Kafka BS team just shreds everything lmao. Like bosses just go from like 50% to 0 hp before moving it’s insane
My kafka team doesnt even need to break enemies, their life just gets draineddd
As a day 1 Herta main, I'm so glad to see her finally escape the D and C tiers. Can't thank Hoyoverse enough for adding Pure Fiction to bump her up. The only issue now is, I don't like Himeko...so I can't make her as cracked as she could be in PF until I finally break and build her.
Herta + himeko is so crazy for mobs. Just endless Fua. You should break and build her. The synergy between the two is so fun.
I think Luocha’s ult strips enemy buffs too. But aoe
Yes
Bailu is great not only for healing, but her passive allows your team to tank damage that you might not typically do. It acts similarly to Fu Xuan field but only a limited number of times and it's per ult instead of skill.
Obviously not having a cleanse sucks, but for opponents that burst you down like Sam or the twin aurumatons in G&G, Bailu will literally save runs.
Sam is honestly a good place where bailu thrives over someone like FX cause against sam u take so much damage from using ur skill it hurts and FX can't heal it
.....I can see her classing out hou hou cause she heals at only start of the turn............but bailu is worse then loucha on every possible way.........cause loucha is literally the " TRY to die char"
@@Accountthatexists HuoHuo also heals on ult. And characters below half health heal even when its not their turn. Unfortunately, imma have to disagree on the huohuo take.
@@Accountthatexistsi disagree on huo huo canz even if her healing is worse and doesn't have a emergency heal like other characters, the utility she provides is not something to scoff at .
@@Accountthatexists i literally can't survive against argenti boss with luocha.
@@Accountthatexistsi disagree with bailu out classing huo huo. Huo huo can turn your allies skills and ult into panic heals. Especially if you are below 50% health any action can heal you plus cleanse. Only thing bailu has one up on huo huo is the revive
i think huohuo deserves ss, you mention theres other healers that can sustain but the fact that she is basically a harmony unit at the same time makes her busted as hell. huohuo and tingyun can make any dps spam the hell out of their ult while also providing the best healing in the game
Agree
One thing i love about bailu is she can bring back the downed character once per fight and replenish half health. That's hard to come by.
Watching this video, I definitely feel a bit bad about not pulling much for Huohuo. Granted, I was new to the game (joined in 1.5 update) and wasn't aware how much I'd appreciate having her later down the line.
I'm definitely considering pulling for Fu Xuan over Acheron when 2.1 Part 1 Banners come out.
yes aim Fu Xuan and her LC
simulation universe is a breeze if you have them both
the LC practically negates all "HP down by xx %" SU debuff it's insane
I will also go for fu xuan even thow I am an acheron main. I will also try my luck for adventurie too to try if I can get him just cuz Dr ratio work well with him (praying for a topaz too but i have to see)
@@sorinamarcu5357 considering how Topaz is returning alongside Aventurine's banner, you have a chance. Just a matter if your Stellar Jade count, and potentially your wallet, can handle it
I also dont have a sustain except for gepard, bailu and the other 2 free four stars. And of those i only build bailu and lynx. I might want to skip acheron as well for a sustain because i really struggle with enemies who can cc me or put dots on my characters
Tectone convinced me not to pull Huohuo and I don't regret it. Her character design is not appealing to me. She's a scared girl that will never grow up.
The wolf ghost is really cool though
I kind of just realized something looking at this. The nice thing about HSR is that they actually do provide some incentive to pull for some of these characters based off the different gameplay modes the devs have put in since launch. It does, unfortunately, become a case of people needing more than what you might otherwise need from Genshin, but they succeeded in giving players the incentive to build otherwise trash characters like Himeko and Herta without giving them some kind of buff, and instead, using a whole entire gameplay mode that actually becomes VERY VERY satisfying when you manage to proc one follow-up attack after another with them. I absolutely LOVE it, and hope they put one, two, maybe three more game modes in HSR, but no more than that, lest it becomes too flooded.
Anyway, it really baffles me how two teams from the same company can think SO differently from one another. But in the case of Genshin, I've come to the conclusion that maybe it's really not the devs that are holding it back so much as it is mobile. Think about it -- which platform is the most cumbersome to play on? It's mobile, because the controls they have available to them are for more constrictive unless you have a controller. Not only that, but performance is often times lower than what you have on PC and Console, even to the point where they had to keep the load in Teapot on the lower end to accommodate them. So maybe the reason they have a game centered more around minigames and just garbage in general is more for the mobile crowd, especially since that's probably the largest demographic of where the casual player base are coming from.
Yeah, i love watching kuru kuru into pizza cutter into kuru kuru into pizza cutter into kuru kuru into pizza cutter, its mind blowing 😂
Bro had me refreshing thinking 360p was the only option because I was too early 😭
I've built all three of the non 5 star limited healers, and with Bailu and Lynx I've still not encountered a situation where I've wanted to use Natasha. Plenty of MoC phases benefit from having cleanse, sure, but usually it's not necessary, and so far it's never been necessary for both phases. Usually I wish that I could just use Bailu on both. Her rez often functions as a kind of free heal and cleanse.
Of course, what I really wish is to get one of the better healers. No idea what I was thinking skipping Huohuo.
16:56 “he knew at that moment he fucked up“
He turned to a community tier list in a heart beat 😂😂😂
Just listen to any word a seele simp has to say, if u don't ur email will be full the following morning🗿
if you count raw dmg, jy is better than seele and qq. Also by skill point use count
@@reulery jingyuan and blade will always be stuck in A cause people at prydwen keep sucking seele off and thinking that dogwater char is in the same teir as Dr ratio QQ dhil and jinglui........
@@Accountthatexists lol true but rlly idc abt them.
About Lynx and Gepard, I built both and use them everyday. They are both in the same tier. Depending on the team, when you don't need cleanse Gepard is better otherwise Lynx is better.
Gepard :
- provide massive shield
- need speed boots and an energy rope to perform well and be SP positive
- if too slow compare to the rest of your team you'll run out of shield really often
- really bad with characters who advance others or have multiple turns between his turns (Bronya, Sparkle, Seele, Sushang etc) shield will vanish in a blink
Lynx :
- really good with destruction or preservation, skill give aggro
- heal is pretty low even with a good build
- cleanse is on ultimate and remove only 1 debuff. Not reliable against Kafka and other enemies who land multiple debuffs. Sometimes the debuff you need to be cleansed aren't (ex: lightning DoT is cleansed instead of charm)
Due to enemies and characters available now, both have major flaws even though they can perform great most of the time
Gepard is the really good at preventing one-shots IMO which is actually fairly important in MoC. Of course not as good as Fu Xuan but I'd still take him over Lynx most of the time.
“I made a tier list and it changes everything”
For me, I say Ruan Mei is the best character in the game for the fact that shes not only a giga offensive buffer, but the way her kit works allow her to reduce the pressure on ur sustains
I think you're undervalueing luocha a lil bit. He can actually also strip enemy buffs, and he is so skill points positive because u don't need to use his skill. So I think he is just a different kind of good with the other sustains
Honestly i think ruan mei is the best unit in the game she enables any team dot, crit, hypercarry, dual dps in everything she's just too crazy
I like this tier list, I agree with almost everything you say. Only thing that stood out to me was March being in B tier. I would place her in mid to low A tier because of her Freeze ult. She has a good shield too if you build her right, and at e6 she can also be a mini healer. I say mini because it’s not that much, but it can be helpful if you keep the shield(s) up on your character(s). I’ve never used Gepard because I don’t have him, but I can see why he’s above March because of his ult, so I’d maybe move him above March in A tier too.
Thanks for this video :D Will be interesting to see what else there come up with
Running Kafka, Black Swan, Ruan Mei and Huo Huo. It slaps!
For those who lost the ruan mei 50/50 (me 😢 to bronya so not a loss) black swan, Kafka, asta, and Natasha works insanely good! I do use someone’s ruan mei as support for farming lol
As an F2P
I got Kafka bc of hype that time
I got Huo Huo bc I lost to Silverwolf and I thought oh she's cute, why not?
Got Ruan on 20 pulls on accident
Got Black Swan bc everyone said to me that I have a good team for DOT 😂
Also, I have DHIL & Jing Yuan and they told me to pull for Sparkle for my second team so I did 😂
The only problem is I don't own any of their 5* lightcones 🥺
@@FrameTactics I have DHL with his lightcone, but he's the only one I have with a signature LC, oh I have Welts as well, but on Kafka.
This is also my go-to team. The damage this team does honestly might rival any other team in the game.
Dr. Ratio is a savior to all new players.
I would put DOT characters on S tier assuming you run them with Kafka. If not, then A tier.
The only downside with DOT characters is that they are very high investment due to them working best when there's at least 2 of them on the team (plus scaling on their traces is pretty big). BUT, that high investment usually reaps huge rewards in terms of being able to deal huge damage.
Plus, unlike traditional DPS who use crit rate/dmg and ATK, DOT units only want ATK and EHR which is 1 stat less to worry about. This makes them easier in terms of farming for good relics.
Cook
Not sure if its because of E1, but my Loucha strips buffs off enemies with his ultimate. Super handy to wipe out a team worth of buffs
He can do that at E0
@@SSABIRR-69 thanky. Wasn't sure if it was eidolons that allowed it. Super useful for mara struck
Feelscrafting is one of the reasons why I subbed to you in 2020 bro. Keep it up 💯
I feel bad for all the people who skipped Dan Heng IL because they were told "Jingliu is way better, he's not worth it anymore" only for him to become the strongest DPS in the game half a patch later with Sparkle
jingliu still tops
@@saulGOOD95 maybe u should stop coping
Oh no, the best DPS in the game is now the 2nd best DPS in the game. Whatever shall I do? The game is literally unplayable now!1!1!
Bro couldn't wait for UA-cam to load the video in 1080p before releasing the video.
luocha can heal in turn, off turn, talent (SO MUCH) , dispell buffs , cleanse , scales of ATK, i feel you undermestimate luocha he is still pretty solid
he's good but out of all limited 5 star abundance and preservation he's the worst.
The buffs that the other limited abundance and preservation units (huohuo and fu Xuan) provide in addition to their sustain is simply just more valuable than just sustaining
But he's not unique , the others can do their job excellent, luocha can do most things but just average (his ulti with some oldbies might be not useful bc in my experience the boss buff won't be a problem when you can clean them for good), you have 4 slot , so you need some units that excellent at their job
I feel like while JL was the #1 DPS before sparkle's release, DHIL has taken his crown again (just for this half patch and then we get more crazy DPS)
However- neither DHIL nor Jingliu should be in the SS tier. They should be high S at most. DHIL and Jingliu are not characters you should pull that open up "more teams" for you to use. With *Sparkle, Ruan Mei, Fu Xuan, and Kafka*, they can bring C and D tier units all the way up to S tier purely on their amplification alone. (Kafka is a bit of a weirder case, but her being a DOT detonator goes crazy)
If you have 2 out of those 4 units, your account should be able to clear MOC and PF with a few good relics on pretty much any of the limited DPS characters, or in Kafka's case, any of the DOT characters depending on weakness. DHIL and JL are good characters, and the best DPS we have in the game currently, but neither of them are game changing in the same way those four are.
I agree with DHIL and JL both being at S. They are very good and the best DPSes but people make the gap between the limited DPSes seem bigger than it actually is. At low investment you’ll notice JL being better but at mid-high investment you’ll notice DHIL being better and other limited DPSes being just slightly worse if not equal. People just exaggerate the OPness of them when it’s the supports that make them great. Kafka is definitely a weird case though. She’s definitely required for the DoT archetype but she alone isn’t enough to make it great. You’ll want Ruan Mei and a 5 star DoT DPS(Black Swan right now but there could be others later on) to make the archetype really good otherwise it’s just meh with 4 stars in my experience(and just worse than even hypercarries with 4 star supports). You can’t use just pull Kafka and assume she’ll make DoT S tier the same way you can pull Ruan Mei or Sparkle and make a DPS S tier so while she’s definitely the cornerstone of DoT teams she isn’t on the same level as supports or even necessary to your account unless you want to play DoT teams. I’d still rank her with other DPSes tbh.
My JYe0S1 I just use him everywhere since 1.0 and clear everything full stars I might struggle with lightning res enemies but still pulling through, of there is no lightning I just use SW. What is good about JY it's his versatility PF or MoC you can plug him everywhere. He and Blade are my most invested dpses. I like Blade for comfiness, but JY is my go to so far if I need to clear something.
same, solid S, the backloaded damage of his is the problem, but gets the job done 1-2 or 3 at the very worst turns in MOC efficiently.
I had a hard time with JY. His traces are maxed but somehow, relying on lightning lord is not comfortable for me to the point I'd rather use serval for lightning weakness. Even with the addiction of sparkle, I'd still rather run sparkle with QQ. It's just not fun for me to wait for lightning lord to do big damage.
Good to know some people enjoy him, I hope I can find a way to enjoy him too lol.
@@plutoadmirer9904if your serval is remotely close to your Jings performance then you are playing him wrong
@@plutoadmirer9904 probably just not you favorite way of playing, what I like it's full aoe with skill/ult, it may not be strong, but you can remedy it with harmonies etc.And them at the end if you do right rotations LL just lands a big nuke. 😁 Serval is good too, I play her sometimes on my other account, she's completely different for sure.
the actual video begins at: 2:52
Your welcome.
What are people's opinions on March? I feel like she's underrated. She can cleanse, pretty decent at weakness break, and instant freeze from her ult.
Ngl I feel like Gepard is under-appreciated. Like yeah he has no cleanse but if he's the only one getting cc'ed because of his high aggro (which gets even higher with his LC) then it doesn't really matter. Also his shields when you build him enough, can last enough for him to keep it permanently active on the team. Not to mention while yeah he only shields (and freeze if you use his skill a lot) the shield is so helpful in cases like fighting against the witch that reduces your hp by turning a portion of it to gray (like what's that gonna do if she can't even touch your hp bar because of his thick ass shield) but from my experience? I had the best time with him right now when fighting against Sam the new boss. Sam has a mechanic that reduces a person hp when they use a burning skill point. And if you use Gepard for that stage, yeah having to think about who should sacrifice their hp goes out the window cause again, even if you get like 1 hp left, his thick ass shield is enough to tank Sam's shenanigans. So yeah, Geppie definitely deserves some love
My problem with gepard is his shield duration tied to other unit's turn. I really like my DPS to be either high speed or carried by fast bronya/sparkle. The shield on my DPS is expired too fast for gepard to keep up. If only the shield is tied to gepard's turn, it will be much much better.
@@plutoadmirer9904 yup if you use fast units like Seele or Sushang, or use Supports with action advancement like Sparkle or Bronya, the shield expires very quickly, but if you use units with normal speed (like 134) the shield lasts for a long enough to time to have 100% uptime
@@Miku-Izayoi yup. But I used jingliu, or other DPS with bronya/ sparkle the most in moc so he can't keep up. The only time I use him is when I play Dr ratio that doesn't use action advancement. And he blocked me from getting Kafka, topaz, and black swan, so my opinion is biased because of my resentment lol. As e3s1 gepard haver, I despise gepard lol.
Tashman Knowledge up, video quality down🔥
Mashed is very entertaining but I'm not so sure about his knowledge when it comes to builds and comps 😅
@@awatcher4965”Mashed” is crazy💀. Call his ahh mashed potatoes 😭
@@awatcher4965 nah he's actually much better than average, but not theorycrafter level. Compare this list with an average star rail player and it's actually fairly accurate besides the dot stuff (which he admits he doesnt play). He was definitely off on some units but it's not a terrible list
@@QMS9224 If you consider the average player being super casual and not even knowing what the different paths are for, playing quad sustain comps because they don't care about anything else besides pulling characters they think are hot, he is definitely one of the better poeple out there if you exclude theorycrafters. At least he is open and honest about not knowing where to place units because he doesn't own them or hasn't had the chance to test them
@@gvapaneseLMAO on God
DHIL with hanya is already crushing everything for me, if I got sparkle He'll be even crazier. 🤞
Get sparkle
@@Azuraichii The problem is I'm out of pulls already, I'm scavanging everything right now and hoping I'll win the 50/50 lol.
@@jsuwangsagood luck my friend, hope you get her!! 🍀
Im always listening to your tips and ideas! Im new at the game, and ever since i saw you in yt. Maaannn, my genshin impact and honkai starrail exp shoots off the roof with excitement! Hope you make more contents like tipa for beginners! More power to you MTASHED!! ❤
This changes everything
Daniel HUNG IL’s “tail” grew 3 more Inches with Sparkle added to the game. With her he is Better then Jingliu & infinitely more with e2.
Nihility DoT teams are my absolute favorite. Tashman is missing out.
Huo Huo > Fu Xuan
Fu Xuan is for those with skill issues and I am one of them
In my opinion, luocha is excellent for newbie and for not fully built team(weak) or some players that don't know how to play a team with a complex healer like huohuo😅 , while huohuo is an excellent for you when you need the final form of that team , the strongest option to 0 or very few cycles , the unit that you need to maximize your damage
"Jing Yuan has a massive bust"
*Sighs*
*Looks at comment section*
Great vid tashed man, i definitely see why you placed certain characters in their respective grades. However, imo, I feel like the only character that I had somewhat of an issue with was DHIL. Dont get me wrong, hes a very strong unit- but his playstyle and kit is very limiting for many team comps that would potentially hinder a lot of new players/players with limited characters. I feel like his playstyle and limitations would put him in high S tier- just due to his overwhelming strength and specificity in team composition. Just my 2 cents (i know this tier list isnt end all be all), but asides from that- great video as always!
The Gepard disrespect is crazy. After he can flawlessly protect you from the last boss in MoC 12, he should be at LEAST A tier.
As i said before in other videos such as this i think Dan Heng IL and Jing Yuan should have the synergie icon on them. Without Sparkle their performance didn't improve from before and not everyone has the luxury to pull and actually get a premium 5*.
Why did i think he was doing Gojo's domain expansion in the thumbnail lol
What i love about Welt is how crazy he is paired up with Ruan Mei..
Esepcially Ruan Mei with the new Break Effect Relic..
She can gives 50% BE alone to other teammates..
And Welt with his own imprisonment from his ult & breaking, can double down on slowing the enemies..
This open up more move for other dps to do.. especially good pair with ratio since he gives both slow and imprisonment, plus if you gave silverwolf / luka lc.. with ruan mei ult..
nice cut g
edit: dont sleep on dot characters, they are extremely powrful especially with ruan mei. The only 5 star youll ever need is kafka and the 4 stars is pretty solid. But im hoping that along the way 5 star dots become more powerful and crazy. BS is a clear example of how her kit is very broken.
I think Geopard is in a good spot cuz besides the shields on his ult he also has a high chance of freezing a non broken enemy. However now that we know what Aventurine can do based on his perspective quest he is clearly a much better shielder that Geopard as he has a shield readily available on his skill and his follow up attack that occurs after anyone with his shield is attacked grants additional shield after the attack triggers and he can get multiple stacks in one turn even with multi hitting AOE attacks and he also puts effect res up as well with the shield. With this Aventurine could give the team infinite shields in the right scenarios and is better at keeping the turn flow of a team in motion. Also Aventurine and Himiko work well together since Aventurine can gain more stacks for his follow up attack to trigger sooner.
Wauw!!! I can't believe that this is the first tier list I actually agree with. Great tier list Tashman! 👍 💯
The tier list definitely plays into current MoC/Pure Fiction strengths and weaknesses for current enhancements. Nihility comp has a lot of strength, as someone with E2S1 DHIL and E2S1 Jingliu, an E0S0 Kafka+Swan+Ruanmei comp is performing extremely well for me. This is because the whole team has every component, though, once Jingliu and DHIL get supports/debuffers catered specifically towards them, I think they will be even stronger. Sparkle is NOT catered towards DHIL if E2, it's impossible to have 100% uptime on Sparkle's buff with an E2 DHIL. Bronya will get powercrept for Jingliu soon if Sparkle doesn't.
People who dont play kafka black swan will never understand. I have e0s0 kafka and BS and it consistently outperforms my e1s1 jingliu. It's actually unfair how broken it is, I think the only thing that can compare is dhil and sparkle.
I doubt you'll get a better support than sparkle for DHIL in the next 2 years lol
Nah, if this tier list "plays into current MoC/Pure Fiction strengths" JL should be below Dhil . There is literally no ice weakness in this Moc. Can JL brute force it? Yes. But it's harder and Her overall perfomance is dropping. Im even see that JY & seele beat JL in a lot of Moc stats
Wdym? Dot team isn't finish yet lol. No support catered dot team yet, no bleed 5* and no 5* fire dotter. If you look at it dot team has unlimited potential. Houhou is just a filler ATM and maybe there will be a ruan mei character for the dotter. Anyhow, ruan mei is still good at dot team
Sparkle is literally made for DHIL. She regens a bunch of SP and even gives dmg bonus based off SP consumed. The chances of them releasing a better sup for him than Sparkle in the future is so unlikely. sparkle of course isnt built around E2 DHIL. Dot team is stupid strong and missing a dot support and sustain.
I have Gepard built with a Sparkle team. She really helps in those lags between shields. Cut out a little DPS to push him up enough to proc a quick shield. Helps alot
I disagree with Fu Xuan being SS tier simply because she doesn't work in the hard Swarm Modes
Swarm maybe but Gold and Gears completely destroys her and bosses one shot her
Gepard being better then her in Sim Uni due to shielding disqualifies her for SS in my book and puts her in high S/S+ instead
Tier lists don't care about SU, you can literally solo swam and g&g with march 7...
It's now in between using Gepard and Fire MC (Preservation Path at least but Gepard is safer for all paths) for sustain at this point if you're playing G&G, Fu Xuan doesn't help at all if your enemies deal AoE nuke damage a.k.a instantly killing her especially in higher conundrums in G&G.
Fu Xuan, personally for me, should be at least mid S.
@@Kahez Tashman mentioned taking PF into account because it's part of the game....Sim Uni is also part of the game hence my point
@@Kahez funny enough MTashed put March 7th. on a lower tier. March 7th. with Misha on Remembrance Path is basically unli-brainfreeze.
Simulated uni is all buff dependent tho, every sustain can and will fail its job if you don’t get the right ones
It’s honestly wild he doesn’t build a DoT team. In January and February I pulled Ruan Mei, Kafka and Black Swan back to back to back and now one side of my MOC is completely on lock. If it goes past two cycles it’s user error. They’re so cracked it’s insane
As someone who primarily plays DoT teams and have from the beginning, I can tell this list is gonna be…..interesting.
16:05 "Jing Yuan's got a massive bust" - Mtashed 2024
Pela only one can strip buffs
Meanwhile luka and luocha in the back.
My nickname for huohuo is the God tier healer that's how good she is if she had resurrection she would be absolutely cracked
Well she has resurrection too in e2 and she can use it two times.
I agree with RM being over sparkle.
RM is so universal and her value doesn’t go down at all.
I can’t see her being power crept unless someone does exactly what she does, but better.
When it comes to sparkle she’s good in a lot of teams, but I feel like she was clearly made for certain teams ( mono quantum and DHIL)
I’m at the start and you saying Blade should be higher tells me you know how much he is underrated 😂. Blade is an absolute beast
Actually feels so good seeing Jing Yuan up in S
Unfortunately I think he will drop back down to A once Acheron comes out. Still a decent unit though, but definitely has his flaws even with Sparkle.
yeah its a monster now i do 320000 damage whit him
@@Ohhsoodead
yeah likely we will see Acheron dhil s+ and jingliu drops down, following suit a lot of other units will drop causing a chain reaction
But still, king yuan has taken his W
@@Ohhsoodead Acheron at e0s0 isn't even that busted rn lol, once she gets BIS supports like how sparkle/tingyun are for Jing Yuan, then i can see her being S+.
Gepard is good though for tankier bosses, while Healer sustains a great like Lynx and have been Posed better than her bro gepard.
Gepard shielding in SM is beastly against hard bosses who especially CAN EASILY one-shot Healer sustains like lynx with the enemy debuffing and Buffing the team.
Until aventurine gambles out his victory as a sustainer
I think Gepard is at least A. If you just stack defense on him and give him an energy rope, your team basically doesn’t take damage. I’ve used him with Jingliu and Jingliu did more damage to my characters than the enemy did
Normal Jingliu experience lmao
Huohuo is SS with the release of Sparkle. The two of them makes really good synergy and add Tingyun makes the team SP and Energy overloaded.
"I'm gonna put Bailu in the B tier, because B for Bailu." ~Btashed
Luka skill removes buffs from enemies if you get his trace ability and adds bleed.
Pela removes buff on skill and that is it.
Both are great units.
Gepard in B is just not it man lol. That guy has carried me since the beginning of the game. I only have Luocha and him and 36 star every MoC and PF. He can definitely solo sustain, especially if you happen to get his LC. You just need ER rope and to think before using his ult. Use it at the last possible moment before all the enemy turns or when it's about to expire. Definitely deserves A IMO.
Plus while DoT is not as flashy as hyper DPS, BS and Kafka putting all kind of DoTand then enemy got a turn and they exploded is so much fun and satisfying to see lol, Plus they don't need crazy substat like CRate and CDamage, Just atk, speed and EHR and you're ready to go.
7:00 gepard is 100% A tier. do not compare them like that. 1 is healer and 1 is shielder. there are cases when healing is useless. and having a shield is much important. Also the problems with him is mainly skill issue. if you build him well he can make your team basically untouched.
imo both tingyun and pela should be ss. both are 4 stars that are quite easy to get, and can even be guaranteed from the monthly shop. both give insane buffs, on par or even surpassing 5 stars of the same niche (tingyun energy generation can be more useful than sparkle's buffs and pela has aoe def shred, something that silver wolf doesnt. additionally, pela's ult is extremely easy to keep up, with 2 turn ultimates given you have the 1.1 light cone, meanwhile silver wolf has a 3 turn ult rotation which makes it harder to get all your debuffs applied).
People forget the most important thing about luocha . you will never need to use his skill, only Basic ATK and ultimate. Just build him with high speed and you will never run out of SP. I think he is better than huo huo.
Yeah agreed. But huo huo also really good because she can provide more than a healing which are 40% attk and some energy to everyone which will be really useful
Not really for hou hou u need to only skill alternate turns and she's basically a harmony unit too
Love the thumbnail 😂
Thanks papa tash I been playing since launch and missing like 8 5 stars so I really needed to know who to focus on building
Mtashed glowup era, I remember in Genshin he had really bad takes but here he's actually decent
Playing for just over a month.... And I only need Fu Xuan and Jingliu now to complete that SS tier. (Btw, also have Black Swan)
Great tier list video imo, overall very accurate!!
The important thing for tierlists is to say if this tier list is for early or late game players because.... oof
0:00: ⚔ Player lacks experience with damage overtime characters and has limited usage of some characters.
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That thumbnail face just gets me every time. IRL troll face perfected
Started playing last patch when Black Swan came out and accidentally pulled on her banner instead of Lunae (thought I scrolled down, but didn’t) and got Black Swan and liking the Dot gameplay tbh.
Now, trying to win 5050 on Sparkle’s banner.
I think just because Sparkle exists doesn't bring Hanya down. I have them both built and they just buff differently. I think they shouldn't be lumped in with each other just because they generate SP because they both do way more than that
I lost sparkle's 50/50 to e1 bronya 😭
But on the bright side, I can guarantee Acheron or aventurine. I can guarantee Acheron if I can get an early (happened to me with kafka rerun) or if the first half events give a lot stellar jades. Aventurine is guaranteed for me no matter what (in the situation that I don't get Acheron)
@@brownbrown3882 uhh...
I usually just buy a gold ticket whenever I get 20 of those.....
Luocha can strip buffs to with his ultimate. As a Seele owner whjo build and used her from the start Mr. Mtash was right about QQ. QQ profitated more then Seele from Sparkle. QQ is realy strong now and above Seele.
Ehhh No she isint
I've heard HuoHuo isn't even SP positive unless you have E1. While Luocha is stupidly positive correct?
But she gives so much more buff and she is so neutral if you have trouble with skill point just pull sparkle
@@JJ-mn3nd oh I have her. But I'd rather have FX and then Luocha for DHIL cause I don't play DoT so Huohuo would be my least desirable sustain.
Huohuo can be played SP positive, similar to Fu Xuan (EAA). You don't have to keep her stacks up to sustain the team.
Luocha is sp generator as you literally dont need to spend a single SP(remember, using 1 skill means +0 sp within 2 turn. While if we keep basic means +2 sp) to keep team alive. He also imaginary breaker, something that people doesnt really apreciated because its indeed as minor as his ult that removes all enemies buff.
Personally i dont have FU so i cant say much about her, but Luocha just fill his role as sustain good enough for me to clear all content as of right now. Also im using Quid pro quo on him so yeah can get some nice juice random energy for the team.
While Huohuo not as SP positive like Luocha but she has buff capability that you might love. The less you need sp in your team the better she get. And endgame i mean 0 turn people sure love her
Imo, I think Sparkle is an S tier unit. The problem with her is that she doesn't have a debuff cleanse. Yes, she has an ult that provides you with 4 skill points and a damage buff and I think that's insane. Hence, why I think Bronya is still very broken. Also, her advance forward skill forcibly guarantees that your DPS will be the one to attack next unlike Sparkle's which is just "give your DPS advance forward."
That's why you have sustainers. She doesn't need a debuff. Just pair her with most sustainers and you have that. Also have you even used sparkle? It's incrediblly rare your dps isnt next after using sparkles skill. You sound like someone who is upset they lost a 50/50 and are just coping. Sparkle definitely powercrept bonya(she's still good though). This is a bad take sorry dude.
There is only one harmony with cleanse bro just use huohuo
huo huo :
The only reason seele is even decent is because shes quantum.
If she was literally any other element shed be b tier
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It would be interesting to see you invest on a DoT or follow up team just for a breath of fresh air. Doesn't matter if it's in your main or second account
Hot take but DoT character for now (pre Acheron) is the definition of casual. I like it because you don't need god tier relic because mostly they just need att, ehr and spd. (Break effect for some but it's really easy to achieve 200+ break effect lol)
I would say DHIL over Jingliu now
As a new player who picked up dhil and sparkle I'm eating good. I put my Dr ratio artifacts on dhil and he's hitting easily more than 2x ratio.
agreed
Ngl but Ruan Mei is the best character as of right now.
Imho what really distinguishes characters like Ruan Mei and Fu Xuan from others, is either that they fulfill a function, which no one else covers as good as they do (Fu Xuan), or you have someone like Ruan Mei who is so good that she easily takes the spotlight of every other unit. No one else is as effective and as wide in coverage than she is. But at the same time we have units like Ting Yun and Bronya who are most certainly the cream of the crop, and they deserve their place in the high realm of S-Tier. - But I'm not so sure, whether Jingliu (as much as I use and love her), Kafka and Dan Heng deserve to be mentioned in the domain of SS Tier. They are within the highest Tier of DPS that we currently have. Most definitely, but they would have to fulfill a function or a role, which goes beyond that for me to count them as SS Tier.
And if you keep in mind what distinguishes, say, Kafka from someone like Dr. Ratio or Blade, I would most certainly say, she is better than the two of them (because of her enabling a completely new play-style, and also her (high) AOE-Dmg.) But this does not mean that she deserves to be SS-Tier. For me she is in a similiar domain like E6 Ting Yun. But it is certainly true that Jingliu and Dan Heng are within a domain of their own. Whether this means that they are SS-Tier, we'll have to see. But for the moment I have the feeling that they should be placed at the highest spot within the S-Tier. Along with Huo Huo, Bronya and Ting Yun. And I also would add Sparkle to that.
Although I must say she is - and could be - described as something like a "lower" SS Tier, which is crazy. And maybe this is the spot where Jingliu and Dan Heng really deserve to go. They are very formidable, but they are not "full" SS-Tier's like Ruan Mei is. For that reason it might be a good idea to further distinguish the SS from the SSS-Tier. And that might solve the current dilemma.
The value of support character is different than DPS. you cant compare them. Compare support to other support and dps to other dps, and then make the tierlist for each. Dhil and/or JL being a SS is for dps category as them being the strongest as of right now, and if future dps is better they simply will be dethroned just like that. Someone need to hold the throne.
@@genpotrait2274 I absolutely agree. The value of support characters is very different from a DPS. A lot of the muddle in these comparisons stems from the need to have a SS-Tier and put some charcters there, irrespespective of their contribution to their particular function, which is also why a bit of the assumptions about the other SS-tiers swaps over and thereby the recognition of someone as an SS-Tier becomes more difficult, because so much in your mind, which is not really related to their category in which they are good. So I agree. A lot of the comparisons would be made clearer, if we were to distinguish properly from the beginning. But I still have the impression that being the best DPS at the moment is not the same as someone being a SS character.
Never let this man cook again
even tho i some pretty good units with many or max eidolons on every good 4 star character, i fucked up really bad since release, i really regret pulling for some units and wasting so much resources on useless relics or character i don't use at all, i'm right now on my first reroll account and this time i will use the knowledge i have and the knowledge u and other guide makers have, to make this account as viable as possible ... ^^
Man,I have tried every single team in this game,and I have to say that DoT:Black Swan with Kafka and Ruan Mei is the easiest team to build and overall the strongest team atm imo,second strongest team is follow up atk:Topaz,Ratio,Ruan Mei.
Ruan Mei is easily the best unit in the game.
If you guys don’t have her I suggest to pull on her rerun,cause she is essential for a lot of teams