European Coaches Would Be FIRED In The NBA For This…
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- So far, there hasn't been a single European coach who transitioned to the NBA, after a successful run in the EuroLeague. In this video, we look at the differences between coaching methods in Europe & the US, specifically the things that would most definitely not work in the NBA.
Do you think coaches like Dimitris Itoudis, Zeljko Obradovic, Sarunas Jasikevicius or Ergin Ataman could ever make it over the Atlantic to take a head coaching spot?
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Euroleagye players r trash compared to the nba. So there is that. Euros on average are way below the nba on talent level. And lets not even talk about the business side of things. Coaches in the modern game are overrated.
@@ibashcommunists6847 well at least in euroleague they playing defence and they don’t travel that much , nba doesn’t care about the rules now days
@@GeorgeTsirikakis i dont disagree. But op is dumb enough to forget about the money side of pro ball. Euroleagues empower coaches as the talent pool is much lower than the nba and euros play 2nd fiddle to the latter. The nba get the cream while euro gets the rejects.
@@ibashcommunists6847 Average european players are more talented (skilled) than average NBA players by far. The big difference between leagues is about athleticism. Rules and the level of contac allowed by referees in Europe makes athleticism less important and makes talent much more valuable. There are tons of players getting minutes in NBA who wouldn't be able to abuse of their body in Euroleague and would never get a place in any Euroleague team because their lack of talent and there are also tons of players that are great in Euroleague and would never get signed by any NBA team because of their lack of athleticism.
Jokic, Doncic, Atentekoumpo... nuff said
Euroleague is coach and team-centric, while NBA is superstar-centric.
And both work.
Agree most nba players is soft and touchy easily
@@a.darwis3101 that's not what he said at all and NBA players are still by far the best players in the world even if the rules make it easier for them to score.
@@whenisdinner2137As much as I hate to say it, the amount of basketball gold medals in the Olympics, and other 1st places on the world formats in basketball is a testimony to what you are saying. Europe and the world still have to catch up, I doubt they'll ever get to that level.
@@nikolaininkov The mvp last 2 years has been a serbian guy... and this year maybe will be a slovenian
Obradovic speeches are priceless. That callout on Datome had me in tears from laughing.
Got a feeling Gigi wasn't laughing much...😅
@@BasketNews_com How many titles have Gigi and how many Zeljko, that's the answer.
@@BasketNews_com Who asks him, Zeljko won euroleague 9 times, a living legend, he can piss in his face if he wants to
he says gigi because gigi knows zeljko and zeljko just want to fire up the team. because that time fenerbahçe played like shit.
@@BasketNews_com Who cares, these idiot millionaire athletes who ahve 2 braincells between them don't deserve to be treated like babies. In America they are and that's why you have the cases of stars who play when they choose.
Imagine Željko Obradović yelling 'FUCK YOU LEBRON JAMES, SHAME ON YOU', that would be hilarious
Α sve ovo na srpskom! 😂
He'd get LeTraded immediately lol.
@@KM316-m1b Hahahaha he probably would, but its a reason why he is one of, if not the most respected coaches in Europe
But beneficial for Lebron unless he is arogant asshole.
LeBron would pass out or start crying
Dusko Ivanovic still without a loss after 1 month in Crvena Zvezda ✊
Red star will win eutoleague this season, now if Campaco arrives it will be very good team with great coach.
@@mladendjuricic5032 lmao
He's making me reconsider the last part of the video 😃
Dude, with his hair he looks like a movie villain
@@mladendjuricic5032 HAHAHAHAHAH
He did hold a 5 hour long practice but in his first ten games he's 10-0. 6-0 in the euroleague and 4-0 in the adriatic league. Nedović and Vildoza have been playing out of their minds in this 10 game stretch but at the same time it was excellent coaching by Duško Ivanović. 🔴⚪
It is also about the team culture of Europe-Balkans in general. You are also having lots of common breakfasts, and meetings and your coach is being included way more in your life with positive manners as well. Also, when you include that it is the case starting from your early career, you are getting more okay with this because they are in a sense as a father figure, rather than business friends. I was playing in U16 league in Turkey, and our coach was an Efes legend, from the team winning Korac Cup, and his ex-coach was our club owner and he still even though being 50 years old was getting harsh criticisms and being shouted in the face from his ex-coach where we were witnessing. When you know that it is not something personal and it is for your improvement you are taking it well. Also, for instance, once in a friendly game, the coach said in the timeout to me "is it too thick to take into your ass", I get angry and said "bald pimp" and we were about to fight and he didn't even take me to the bench. Then I played harder defense and after the game, we settled down and didn't even talk about it. This is game, both of us and all the team wanted to win, and so it is the anger, and high emotions of this. Ps. this is U16 summer friendly game, now think playing Final Four ahahaaha
That's some great context to understand why from a cultural POV! 🙏
I remember club officials ripping apart Ömer Yurtseven and David Mutaf when I was at Fener. there are some really bad bad people in Turkish basketball. I also remember how shocked I was when a legend of European basketball criticised a 17 year old in front of a press conference. It felt like he was trying to destroy Ömer Yurtseven rather than coach the team. We had great talent that year and everyone just left for other places some of us even gave up on Basketball. because whatever we do Ömer Onan's son was the star ad we were supposed to pass it to him. This is 2 years ago in Adidas Next Gen tournament in Istanbul I remmeber our beloved coach just sold on us and made us play complex sets that we practiced time to time because he wanted to show that he was ready to move on as a pro coach and we lost all our matches. anyone can look up our game plans In Turkish youth league and our play In the next gen tournament it was miles of what we played. Of my 7 years of Turkish basketball and 2 years in national youth levels I hated every time I had to talk with the coach or cşub officials. Yes national team was better since coaches were trying to build something but those dumbass club officials still tried to influence the national team coaches.
Bro wrote a whole novel 💀
@@Mr.Black.slayer just say you can't read
@@negativeknowledge I'm at the top of my class I'm great at reading I just don't want to read that
Euroleague is MMA , nba is wwe.... simple as that, every game here is a war, while in nba you dont have fans just hotdog eaters.
Very good analogy.
You r too nice 👍🤣
I didn’t know wwe fighters could beat up mma fighters
@@blazingexil4003 he talking about nba is just a show and nothing real and in europe its real amongst fans, coches and players (i would guess thats what he mean). Also the reason usa wins is because countries that play basketball is small nations in population compared to USA so less people to choose from, if europe would take out a dream team today they would beat usa.
Tako je Damjane
Itoudis is the only guy in the future that can start as an assistant and take over a team. He has the profile for this. The language, the culture, he's open-minded, super clever and adaptable. I would love to see him with Bucks
Itoudis on the Bucks? Yes please.
There are a number of teams that I could see improving under Itoudis' guidance. Contending teams like Philadelphia, Brooklyn, and Dallas, or underachieving teams like Washington, New York, and Minnesota all would be good fits for him. It would be nice to see him coach Giannis in the NBA but I think that the Bucks are happy with Budenholzer's performance as the head coach and won't fire him anytime soon
@@dynctive If the Bucks don't win it this year Budenholzer might go.
@goldenbee7k Messina is a great coach and manager but never had success in his carrer, I mean actual championships. Itoudis is a really successful coach and manager. it's a big difference my friend. And Armani last year was in the playoffs. For euroleague the difference between success and failure is so close. The competition is huge. Look at Panathinaikos, how much it changes with a few changes.
In my personal opinion, that seems like the ONLY option that makes sense. Others either proved everything already (and don't have these ambitions) or still haven't proven much to be considered. There's been some talks about Saras, but I'm not sure he himself would enjoy having the tiniest bit of control compared to what he has in Barcelona.
I can totally see, Dimitris Itoudis , going to San Antonio Spurs after 5 years , as an assistant and taking over.
For some reason Spurs and anything international sounds great... 😄
I was always surprised how well praised Itoudis is though his teams (CSKA) somehow tend to loose in the second half. I see the key skill of head coach to adjust.
@@alexanderanoshkin3571 Should fit mavs great then...
No he won't! I am really surprised that some of you Greeks are so uninforned about things even though basketball is the 1th sport in your country. Obradovic, Ataman, Itoudis and more have already been called to be assistant coach in NBA at various times and they didnt accept it. And why would they accept to be a 2nd guy under some NBA coaches since they have bigger balls than most of NBA coaches. Fenerbahce previous coach is in NBA as an assistant coach at the moment and he didnt have a big name like all these 3 coaches.
This is because coach in Europe is not just a coach to you. He is also your father, your grandfather, your uncle, your professor...He cares about you, he wants to teach you, to make you tough, wants to push you to your limits, he wants to make a player of you. In the NBA you are on your own and coaches do not give a sht about you. If you want to be better and stronger do it by yourself, if you do not want they do not care, will replace you.
Almost all of these coaches in the video are from Balkan (Serbia, Greeece, Turkey...) and Mediteranean area wich is pretty similar in mentality. And that is the way how we treat and teach our kids. You have to be TOUGH and they gonna make you TOUGH. Period.
There is a "joke" (but it's mostley true) about Balkan tehnique how parents learn their kids to swim. Throw them in the river or a pool and when kids start drowning they pulled em out for a few seconds to get air and then throw them again. Repeat that as many times as needed until kids start swiming or better say start to realize how to keep himself at the surface by calm moving hands and legs. No swiming classes no BS.
The thing is that it depends on how the coach overall is. Because a coach is yelling, doesn't mean it's bad. It is worse if a coach is just silently staying at the sideline. A coach like Trincheri is actually doing a very good job and is usually different when there is no game. In addition, he is not just angry but very emotional in general. Such a coach can sometimes be like a 6th player on the court. Yet, if a coach is just yelling at your players or is even blaming them hard, then it's obviously not good.
NBA and European basketball can't be compared anyways. The NBA is basically about making the shots, if you don't hit them, you are out, simple is that. European basketball on the other hand is much more about working as a team. So, if one individual fails to do his job, it might throw away the whole team effort. Defense can only be played with 5 people and to break the defense, it also needs the entire team. That's why you see such different style of coaching.
because in Europe we grow up that the head coach is the master, in italy we say "mister"..no matter what sports...the first thing you learn is to give respect to the coach,the team,the sports you love..the coach act like this because he love the game,too...he want to win the game for 100%..is not because of the money.. is because you want to beat the opponent and their coach...is becaus you need to fight till the end...you can play the game or not,...but you can always fight ...there is no excuse for not fighting and not playing defense... never !!!!
I have seen interviews of Obradovic amd his players and they all state that he is a very nice man and he is a close friend to many players off the court. There was a mention somewhere that one of his players was having a hard time in his life and Obradovic was visiting his home and talked to him for hours and not just one time and then they were sitting together to watch a movie.
He is to be feared in the court and at their practices, but he changes completely in normal life.
Also Obra's players know that: If Obra is not yelling at you, he has given up on you.
Everything you see on the court is dictated by the fans. What the fans pay for, they get. In Europe fans are more tribal and expect to see that in the court as well. Tension filled arenas, tough defenses, yelling, lots of contact. In the NBA people prefer a movie- like scenario with a good guy/ hero that wins the day. Traveling, ball carrying ruins the show so they're never called and the stars get a better treatment. It's all just a show with a lot of money involved and the fans are the ones paying for it.
That is why Euroleague is worth watching. It's passion
This doesn't apply only to professional adult leagues btw. I've played basketball throughout my teens and you get the same treatment as shown in this video.. I've gone trough many coaches and almost all of them would regularly verbally assault a team of 14-year-olds cursing us and our entire family trees for good measure in full view of our parents watching from the stands lol
What this video doesn't mention though is that off court, the coach is literally like your best friend and in the case of young boys almost like a second father.
I agree about the off-court relationship being full of respect, but looking from a broader perspective that respect is often built through fear 😬
I am 99% sure that this harsh treatment doesn’t occur in hard working teams. Only in teams with good talent but poor work ethic. And it only occurs after the initial calm demonstration and explanation of the plays and practice benefits.
If your boys give 100%, you know their limits, there is nothing but praise and support.
But, when you see them performing in practice with 50% effort and then being all sad on weekend because they lose a game…well it’s time for reality check. This outburst happen, since after the match players complain right about everything but themselves.
People in general want to win, they just don’t want to work for it. That’s why the lottery works.
I know because I’m that coach. And I witness this patterns for the past 10 years in all age groups from 6 to 18 year olds.
In the end It’s all love from the coach.
After the five hour practice under Dusko Ivanovic (a top coach in my opinion) red star had a five game winning streak. One for every our of practice. Before Duskos arrival, Red Star had zero wins. So it seems Dusko is right.
NBA fan reactions to coaches calling out players is a lot different from European fans as well. Coach Nick Nurse called out Precious Achiuwa for his lack of consistency in rebounding and Gary Trent Jr. for his lack of deflections earlier this season and NBA fans were shocked and disappointed that the coach would call out his players like that. Nurse got his early coaching opportunities in Europe and still carries some of the European values in his coaching style. Oh, and by the way, Gary Trent Jr. had 7 steals in the first two games after his call-out. Public call-outs work when the coach knows how to do it at the right time and directs it toward a player who will receive that criticism well. Coaches have to know their players' personalities, there's no point in yelling at a player who is not going to improve by being yelled at. Ultimately, I don't see how running 1000 suicides make a player better, I'd prefer to focus on basketball mistakes (FTs missed, defensive miscommunications, bad screen navigation, etc.) in practice rather than just mindlessly running up and down the court for hours on end
I remember that. great point. it's not only the players who are treated with special needs gloves but generation of fans who claim that words are violence.
Wembayana will fit in perfectly in NBA with his 3 clubs in 3 yrs in France.
It wasn't that he called them out, it was that he called them out to the public.
For now, Dusko Ivanovich's methods seem to be working in Red Star as they have been on 7 game winning streak
May God bless old school coaches they are the best. They know how to create real basketball players. Ask Serbia, Greece, Turkey and rest of the Europe about Željko Obradović everybody will have same answer about him and his quality.
Dusko Ivanovic would make Nets scary if they would allow him to lead that team.
Europe has the "team first" mentality,NBA the "talent first"... That's because the talent is less and teams have to be well oiled machines to overcome difficulties.
in the NBA they are really masters of the game but on the other hand they are like rich spoiled kids
Fading away? Dusko Ivanovic wants to talk to you 🤣
At the time I was filming there were only 2 wins for Dusko, so he's been on a mission to prove my words wrong indeed 😬
This isn't just about NBA vs Euroleague. This is about how Americans and Europeans, especially traditional Eastern Europeans view life and work. Europeans view success as a result of a collaboration between different parts of a society or any organization. There are no single heroes individually saving everyone like comic book caricatures which most Americans like to believe. The foundation of success is the system and collaboration of different parts of that system and your value in that system as an individual is weighted based on your adaptation to that system in your particular role. Americans think individuals create success out of thin air and that's because of their foundational myths of white conquerors doing everything from scratch in a new continent. Trailblazers, Railroad tycoons, Industrial Inventors, always individuals over systems whereas Europe was mostly a stable, traditional bunch of nations sans the occasional world wars, in which individuals played a role rather than create it. I must say I agree with Europeans more on this issue since NBA teams are now drastically suffering for letting the star players have too much power and control over the teams. Nets are done, so are other clubs which follow their paths.
David Blatt is also an example of a great coach that has different coach player dimanic that don't fit the old school. He was also very successful in the Euroleague.
Unfortunately he was thrown into the fire too early. Imagine going from Maccabi Tel Aviv to coaching LeBron with expectations to win the championship immediately on his rookie year..
@@BasketNews_com but he did good in his rookie coach or maybe because LeBron is there and the east is weaker conference at that time.
There was a video where during a huddle he didn't like the fact that players were talking as he was running a play on the whiteboard so he yelled stfu
@@natnaelberhanu-i8w I watched that; it happened maybe once in Russian national team. If you see consider the other examples it is pretty clear that he is more of an NBA coach.
@@BasketNews_com Blatt was hired as the Cavs coach when Lebron still hadn't decided where he would play next. Cavs didn't think he'd go back to Cleveland.
I don't know if you are being serious analysing "5 hour training" by Dusko Ivanovic, but I see this is not the first time on this channel. It was obviously not true, Dusko just didn't deny it directly, but the players had also been asked about this, and none of them confirmed this rumour. Why do you think Nedovic or Vildoza would just accept it and protect totally new coach? And who in the world would come to a group of 15 new players and make sure they hate him from day 1?! I mean, I know that DI has such a reputation, he definitely belongs to old school of coaching, but consider that this is not 2005. There are games every other day, there is a travel. It's almost physically impossible to have 5 hours trainings, even if he wished so. Also, players have their ways to speak up, and I'm sure they would if there was a reason.
The 5-hour practice session is becoming an urban legend.. 😅
In the NBA the whole regular season was just blend, fans don’t even care who wins the game what matters is how many points the star players scored. Its never about the team its always about the players and that mentality is messed up for a team sport.
The issue with the NBA isn't that the players are soft, it's that the refs make the game soft
Also I would love to play for that angry coach. He would scream every single wrong thing I do and with those 5+ hours I would be able to fix it all. Idk but growing up with a military dad I kinda like the drill sergeant type
That's one of reasons why Euroleague Basketball is much more interesting than NBA, although almost all of the best players play in some NBA franchise. 😉
All of the best Euroleague teams are aided in some way by NBA washouts. It’s literally just the richest clubs. I get liking the style, sure, but this comment section is full of people lying like a non cap system that’s still dominated by AMERICANS is doing any good to grow Euro hoops
I don’t agree with the last idea: that the style of coaching is gonna change because we have more star-player. Coach Messina (the head coach of Milan) has a very aggressive coaching style. now Milan just bought Mirotic (which I would classify as a “star player”) and I don’t think Messina is going to change his ways. Mirotic has implied that Messina’s role had a big part in him choosing to play in Milan (even for way less that what was offered to him in other cities) and Mirotic already knows Messina coaching style since he played under him before going to the NBA, so surely he is not bothered by how messina treats players.
Also there are many player who also went to the NBA (so they experienced different style of coaching) but still appreciate a more “aggressive” one. Gigi Datome (the one that was screamed against by Obradovic) still says that he is grateful to Obradivic and thanks him for everything, even for the “fuck-you” (his words not mine)
I mean just look at Luca Banchi's press conferences. The most humble, laid back, servant-leadership style you will have ever seen! The guy inspires the team to play their own style and in TOs remindes the players when they have lost their sense of identify, not drawing up big plays.
Legend.
Everything is well said also in comment section, I just want to add up, that huge diffrence in european mentality is that if someone of authority is mad at you, screaming at you etc. that means he values you and wants you to succeed. Separating personal relationship with proffesional one in this context is also important. If you know someone respects you offcourt you shall not take it personally if you are scremed at during match. All this considered and valued as normal by fans also who not only agree with this approach but also demand it.
my coach from when i was in primary school would have a heart attack just attempting to comprehend the absolute lack of defence in the NBA. If we ever played like that our next training session would consist of him yelling at us and the next one of us running for two hours
shame you didnt show an example of Repeša screaming at his players
Is that a meal? Or a coach? Sorry kidding, but quite a no-name coach
@@Lukenzzzo Bullseye
@@Lukenzzzo maybe, but not in this context 😄
It's a totally different idea of basketball. Of course coaches in Europe could coach NBA. The most similar case would be Popovich. The thing is that not all the fans in Europe nor the coaches likes NBA. We love European Basketball as it is. More defensively, tactically, technically,... I'm Spanish coach and watch NBA games is exasperating for me. There's too many mistakes!!! In Europe there's no chance to make a mistake. If you commit one single mistake, you go to the beach. Here's there's no fixed rotations, you perform well, you play. We don't like NBA so I understand that many European coaches would have rejected to coach NBA, for sure.
I have always been a huge fan of Euroleague and their style of play plus the tenacity. Hopefully we get to hire a European coach who has an experience in Euroleague, As a Filipino and a huge fan of Gilas Pilipinas, I know that we lack height and talent, plus our system is leaning towards more on American style of basketball. I hope we can change that and be more leaning towards team basketball, instead of relying so much on isolations.
First training 5 hours... they are 5/5 in Euroleague for now 🔥🤣
The thing is european coaches are mostly from eastern or southern europe where its normal to speak loudly and go crazy in situations(serbia, lithuania, greece, russia, spain, turkey, italy)
it's not about European coaches, it's about BALKAN coaches
Is Ataman balkan?
Coach Jasikevičius is lithuanian. He screams a lot
Well Europe ain't Hollywood.
Yes I do remember that one time that KD's backcourt violation made Zeliko so angry that he sweared at him and forced him to leave the court.
NBA coaches be like ”go out there and fight guys, lets go!”
Feels like Ivanovich has changed a bit, maybe it's because they are winning a lot since he arrived at red star, but he does seem to act a lot calmer, and give more freedom to his players
Nice video, but it's incomplete.
Where is Giannis Ioannidis??
Top 5 European coaches during the 80s and 90s.
Famous for his enrages during the games.
the word "hardcore" after the "PENETRATE"-coach was very funny ;-)
Duško ivanovic brought 10-1 run in aba league and euroleague for red star so don’t you critize him
What i always disliked about NBA is how their coaches don't matter... You can literally have a broom instead of them... Everyone who watches Euroleague knows that if the so called drama or fighte happened here they would get thrown out of the club by their own coach... There is a video of some NBA player shoving Jokić intentionally and then got shoved back by Jokić... And u can see coaches just like damn parents aleight settle down, instead of the opposing coach sending his player to the locker room
I'd say a broom would definitely do the job for any of the tanking teams 🧹
@@BasketNews_com @BasketNews_com 😂🤣 Yeah i think the same... Also if you don't mind i would like to add something to my previous comment. It's that there are many failures of coaches who try to immitate these greats in Euroleague I feel like, who can't succeed but only can immitate the yelling these coaches do thinking that's it about it. And cheers for ur videos!
WAIT I JUST REMEMBERED SOMETHING IMPORTANT
Marko Kasun said that he also got depression from Ivanović while he was his coach. He said on Croatian channel/podcast called "Podkast Inkubator". Just type Ivanović Marko Kasun... You will need someone to translate it from Croatian to English. Funniest thing ever... Whenever u guys would say a player got depression from Ivanović i always thought of this guy, and not the one u named in the video
Reading this i somewhat remember Ty Lue as Lebron Assistant coach lol
Seems i was somewhat wrong about this, when i look back at Real Madrid vs Partizan game and the fight that broke out :P :O
Bruuuh thats rough :D :D
As a german football fan and former youth player im quite conditioned to coaches being rough sometimes but thats just a whole nother level haha
That would never fly here, but a good yelling is always on the card if you screw up.
But its not that hard. Most coaches try to be respected, not feared - or respected through fear.
Title: European coaches
Video: 80% of the video Serbian coaches lmao
Basket all is all about 2 things: score and defend in a very small amount of space against a team of five. This make It very hard so if the deference in tallend isnt very big then you need tactics. Thats why you need the coaches. So they can teach the team the tactics make the players better and help the team apply the right tactics in the right moment. Its like the war with the generals. This is what happens in european basket ball. Thats why a team with a small or medium badget can win the eurolegue or at list perform much better than We expert. In europe every defence and every offence matters. Thats why the teams are 100% in the moment and Thats why the fans enjoy every play in the game. The european teams do not jump very high, they dont run as fast as in the nba, they dont dunk as often as in the nba or score as much as in the nba. In the nba the teams shoot so many threes, i watched a lot of games were the playmaker takes the ball from one side of the court gets it to the other and shoot the three. Then the other team does the same again and again and again. Thats not basketball. If i want to see players compiting in threes or who Will make the best dunk or poster i can watch an all star game. I think in the nba they lost the meaning of what is a beautifull basketball game and focused on the show because it make more money. Now days even some games in the play off are boring. 82 games are way to much in a season. Dont mistake me i think that european basketball is way more fun to watch but there is no comparison in talent and if the two winners from the two leagues were too play ten games the nba team would win 9 to 10 times if not 10 out 10. But that doesnt make the nba league more interesting than eurolegue. And one last thing. In europe coaches are the boss of the teams and not the star players not because of they re ego but because they want to guide the team into winning. In the nba the stars control the teams because they want to win for them selfs or take more money and fame.
Still remember Pablo Laso screaming young Doncic. Probably best european coach sharing podium with Obradovic
Get Dusan Ivkovic on that podium mate. The 'Wise One' was also a fiery temper coach.
4:40 lesson of love
I think Scariolo has the right "in the middle" approach.
We tend to see that with coaches who had some NBA experience. Same sort of transformation happened with Ettore Messina, or even Ergin Ataman (spent some time with the SA Spurs and Gregg Popovich)
Euroleague is team based and defence actually matters, NBA is solo runfun all out attack only. Defence doesnt matter that much. More individual
People here in the USA are in love with being victims,it doesn't stop at professional athletes.
There was no five-hour workout in Belgrade this season. Only one players spent time near 5 hours to take from home and arrive back. Maybe some rehub or taping works take time, also trip.
With Euroleague being coach-driven league and NBA player/superstar driven league, it’s pretty doubtful high calibre European coaches feeling the urge or desire to move across the pond. In Europe they feel like chess players controlling the pawns, it’s far more interesting. In the NBA they will be the “pawns”. Obviously it works the same for NBA superstars moving to Europe. They will lose their freedom and become some high calibre European’s coach pawn on a chessboard.
There were some similar coaches to european coaches like former Orlando magic coach Stan van gundy. He was very similar to European coaches.
A lot of a coach's job in the nba is to deal with the media. While superstars are said to be necessary for championships, many players get influence that their game doesn't backup. Sometimes not having stars means a coach is actually free to coach. Many of the coaches are no good, even if they have the freedom to coach. However, the really good ones should have that freedom. Sometimes they make as much difference as a single superstar. Even better if you have the type of superstar who listens to a coach (Duncan with Pop).
i have to say a lot about this video ! But instat i will prompt you to make a research that will be great material for videos too .
check the decades 2000-2010 , 2010-2020 . and 2020-2022/03 . look for what type of coaches there were . what types of players there were . in what level the european clubs were . in what level the european countries were . and compare them with what we have today . the last two years .
Back then people had talent , basket iq , and those who made the effort to work and learn achieve the top .
I am sick and tired of european basket is being treated like the summer job for nba players ,come here make some money and show us their skill ( mostly their luck of it )
All of us that still remember the last 20 years in europe basket ( that is was far better than the nba ) , we watching now today and it feels like we watch an U15 league .
The plays and tactics from back then only got better today . what it is missing ? Maybe the players ? Of course it does . There is no skill today ! Because every kid try to imitate the nba style . But the forgot they play in europe , with europe rules .
So what happens when you take a gumnastic athlete to run a marathon ? They will loose !
If you were a coatch what your options will be then ? Maybe to train them ? Does that sound stupid ?
And also what it is about the 5 hours training ? Check the training of those nba stars you love , you see that 5 hours is the minimum for them .
Check every world class athlete in every sport and compare ! Check every olympiad partisipan and olympiad medal winner to see their work schedule !
God forbid today basketball player ,if we let them sweat in practise , maybe they will catch a cold ! !
Also you puta part of a video from zeljko press conferance . i say to your viewers to go see the full video !
For everyone else who knows that press conferance , remember zeljko words . "i know i will keep winning" .
Does anyone knows what was the carear of those Yugoslavia players that he mention after that world cup ?
That it is still happening today ! That why our basket quality is worst than the 80s !
Some great insights!
Coincidentally with 1 or 2 exceptions ALL the coaches featured in this great video have either played in Greece or coached in Greece or will coach in Greece. Because here each game is war indeed. Few people care about the NBA regular season, where 90% of the games are just indifferent.
European basketball is more intellectual for a number of reasons. Players can adapt, the audience has the potential to understand and accept/embrace. US basketball hasn't got such characteristics. Is more individual driven. For instance it would be unacceptable in Europe in a counter attack of 3 against 1 defender for the star of the team to shoot a 3 pointer. However it's fine in NBA. Or the way players try to humilate their opponents with their reactions in dunks and blocks. That's not happening in Europe.
A great example was the moment when Pablo Laso made a 17 years old Doncic cry because of his defense. Imagine him doing the same now that Doncic is a superstar in the NBA...
People love the drama state side, it would be amazing to see the post game press conferences, the pundits.
Even if your team loses, you might get a kick out of it.
They are like this because its how they learned from older coaches,they got yelled so now they yell.its something between military and old school professors from before.
i raise my hat for the women in 1:39 xD
I am a Fenerbahçe fan. OBRA is the KING. No more to say over him. what he does is true. ıtoudis is going after him. I hope he would be succesful as him.
I disagree with most of this. Full disclosure I haven’t watched much euro basketball. That said, what I disagree with is what you assume about the nba. The nba absolutely draws up plays in timeouts like you show and even with 82 they definitely have game plans with heavy film review. Also although nba coaches don’t yell (cause they get paid less and contribute less to winning than players)college coaches definitely do even to Kevin durant (see Izzo or coach k or staukus coach at Michigan) It’s not that nba coaches couldn’t yell or run players it’s that there’s a belief that it doesn’t help. It seems like there’s a chance the screaming and running actually makes your team worst and get fired sooner..? A little respect between coach and player might even work..? It’s not like nba coaches without superstars yell a lot or even that those who do have superstars yell at the bad players. It’s one thing to be a kid learning and have coaches yelling at you but when you’re a professional that’s crazy. You’re paid for that reason and if you’re bad you’ll be out of a job. Like the guy says in the video, he’s a grown man and would like to be treated like one. Seems like your just stressing everyone out for no reason.
What he didn't mention for better or worse is that almost all of shown coaches were Serbs and having same Serbian basketball school style of approach
Zeljko Obradovic, Dusan Duda Ivkovic, Sasa Djordjevic, Dusko Vujosevic, Dusko Ivanovic is not serb but hes from ex yu country that is kinda same thing, same language, DNA and ofc same basketball school. There was even more in video but i dont recognize them except that they talk serbian
Man, is it only me, or does Dusko Ivanovic looks like a perfect James Bond villain hahaha
This format I feel like, is bad for Europea development. It reminds me of Mexico and Argentinas short soccer season. Coaches can get fired for 3 straight loses. It’s cause a HUGE reliance on veteran players and low development of youth players, and the same coach and those same player tend to be sold and passed around within the league like trading cars.
Contrast this against Phil Jackson, Popovich, and Steve Kerr. Some food for thought.
The main problem is that you dont understand that for example Zeljko Obradovic looks at his players like theiy are his family(children). They are going outside practices together talking about private problems or why they didnt perform on given day to get explanation and to learn who are these players as a people not only as a players. In nba is different mentality. Everybody is on schedule and outside work they are doing what they want(of course within conditions of the contract). In europe is different. I know for a fact one of this legendary serbian coach goes to the night club where some of his players where with some girls. He jank them by the ear and get them back into the hotel because they have command to stay in rooms and rest and they didnt listen.
Bro i am 13 years old and i play in one of the best teams in croatia our coach is the same like this he yells at us and guess what it is a motivation
Funnily enough, similar with cinema. US has superstar actor-centric production, Europe is powerful director focused. As someone from Europe, I think American system on this works better.
The only problem with the US is that, we have a lot of players but not too many leagues. 330 million people and only 450 makes it to the NBA.
Coach should be respectable figure and players shouldn't be soft sissies. Well done EuroLeague!
I played both in USA and Europe, I honestly had so much more fun in America, the system works better and the coaches are not as frustrated as in Europe in general. I believe that screaming continously at your players is not a good way to make them play better and give them confidence.
Great video!
Thanks! We'll keep them coming. 💪
Serbian trainers are beasts, but I think Serbians just fight with him as well in a similar manner.
More often than not coaching like that brings results. That sh*t can't slide in the NBA because let's face it, it's a bunch of Mama's boys for the most part.
They're the old school egomaniac coaches who love the Bobby Knight style of coaching, not the Dean Smith or John Wooden or even the Phil Jackson style.
The my way or the highway style, when coaches and administrators had ALL THE POWER. But guess what....people don't pay hundreds/thousands of dollars to watch coaches yell at players. Because of this it's far more difficult to be an NBA coach these days. Only the cream rises, not the "scream".
It's ironic how European coaches have a more American corporate style of leadership.
Imagine Ben Simmons in the Euro league?😂
I honestly think the problem with the NBA is tanking, more so, unlimited drafting pool. Also no second NBA league like in Europe, a second divison where you actually get punished for being in the last 2 or 3 of the conference. NBA teams have no repercursions, if they are bad, they dont give a fuck. They will deliberately loose for a better draft spot chance. Every year, regular season looks more and more like a circus watching players get incredible numbers and the real basketball begins in the playoffs. They need to find a format where the lowest seeds get punished for being at the bottom, like dropping to the 2nd division with no draft spots then you will see how good and important of a game would the Rockets vs Magic could be.
Fun fact - 90% of this Coaches are Serbians xD
No. A big part yes. Ivkovic was an amazing coach. Stopped coaching career few years ago. Obradovic is the number one in EU. And there are hopefully more Yugoslavian coaches to come. But at the same time you have Greeks (Itoudis, Mpartzokas, Sfairopoulos), Spainish (Laso, Pasqual), Italians (Messina, Scariolo,Trinchieri), Lithuanians (Jasikevicius), Turk (Ataman), Israel (Kattash). But I agree that many of them might even have a Serbian second coach
Dusko Ivanovic has just came to Red Star Belgrade, and instantly turned them from a bunch of struggling guys into a 8-0 winning streak kind of squad. Same players perform on the highest level after only a month.That's European coaches for you.
And he won us 2 eternal derby's against partizan in just a time span of 10 days😁
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Why you don’t ask players who played in teams where this guys was why they will tell you about this style ? And then think about it hard enough what you are going to say??
@@songoku364 There's no anymore eternal derby's becuse crvena zvezda not exist since 2011.. This "crvena zvezda" is renamed FMP Zeleznik while this "FMP" is renamed Radnicki Basket..
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Željko Obradović has 9 Euroleague titles... Best European Coach Ever
He is the biggest star of any team...
GOAT 💛💙
He is still not able to achieve anything in nba cuz he doesn't have the right behavior and mindset
@@grigorisanastasopoulos5977 you work in the NBA bruh?
I feel like if these players matched their coaches energy they'd feel better
Another big difference is that in NBA if you have a big contract you play no matter what. Even if you make defensive mistakes. In Europe, even if you are a star on the team, if you do not deliver, or if you make some consecutive mistakes, you are gonna get benched, period. Every player knows and assumes this. Imagine an European coach in the NBA benching Harden for stupid concentration defensive mistakes, and/or playing him less than 30 min. He would be next day in GM's office demanding this coach to be fired.
Very true! Although the talent level is day and night between the leagues, the basketball IQ is valued much more over here in Europe.
@@BasketNews_com come on if you bench luka because he made mistake you as a coach you gonna loose your job its the coach job to hide their superstar weakness. We seen it with Steve Kerr and Mike brown how they make adjustment so that Steph Curry will not abuse in depensive end last playoffs.
@@JC-ni2qm You don't get benched for one mistake in Europe it has to be countless mistakes or if the coach can see your getting cooked. Regarding the superstars in the NBA they rarely make 4 mistakes in a row.
NBA needs coaches like this. The NBA has degraded since the 90's and players don't put full effort on the court offensively and especially defensively.
Also simply put the players are just better in the NBA
Dusko may be extreme, but red star was on a losing streak, and look at them now. Nik just hatin'.
Great topic and execution. Really enjoyed it. Obradovic's red face gets me every time 😂 Keep up the good work, this video should (will) blow up
Hello bro 🤣🤣🤣
Funny to see you in comment section 🤣
Appreciate it, man. You're an inspiration to make more basketball content 💪
And this is heat check 😁
In Greece, Obradovic is nicknamed "melitzanas" (eggplant) by rival fans (non-Panathinaikos fans) because his face turns purple after outbursts towards his players or referees) 😂😂😂
Oh and about that infamous 5 hours training session. It was his first practice as a new coach in those 5 hours there was team meeting, getting to know each other, training, and watching videos. I don't think the had a 5 hour long sucide session...
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why guys like Jokic, Giannis, and Doncic are disciplined
Are they though?
@@DGlaky I would say they are the 3 best players in the league right now tho
@@DGlaky way more then any american player
@@DGlaky Yes. Plus these guys went pro at like 15-16
In which universe?!
It is not only in the Euroleague. Also when we are younger. I've been yelled at so many times... And I'm telling you, the least succesful teams i've been and seen, on my experience, were the ones that gave special treatment to the best scorer. And by special treatment I mean not getting scolded when you do something wrong.
Same but at⚽️
It seems it all comes from wanting to maximise the potential, even at the youth level, but these days that might be counter-productive. 🤔
@@BasketNews_com I personally didn't like it. It kills the players confidence. It does more bad than good but sometimes it's necessary. Like a "wake up call" of some sort.
@@BasketNews_com not really, because you can see how it changes positive for resd star squad.
@@cms2037 If you're a pro and this kills your confidence then you're not a pro material. It's simple as that.
Making comparisons with the NBA can bring American fans to your videos and increase your audience. I am from Belgium and want to know more about European basketball leagues but there are no channels making content about it. You are the first.
Glad to be here for you and all the other basketball fans!
In Europe you had better work hard for your coach or he will be sacked and replaced with Dusko. And you're not going to like that.
In the NBA you need to work hard or you'll get dropped and you'll have to go and play in Europe, and get shouted at by your coach and by the fans.
And you cant use roids in Europe so you will have cravings and that is bad too
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Great video, I really enjoyed it. And I'm glad you did your homework and didn't attribute everything to the "culture", since there are huge differences between the NBA and Euroleague (you mentioned the number of games, available roster etc.). Having said that, it would be quite interesting to see, for example, Zeljko Obradovic coaching an NBA team. Also, maybe it will be easier for people to understand why European (especially Balkan) players aren't scared of anybody when they move to the NBA.
Balkan players who didn’ went with butchery process in Europe especially in the Balkan and went strait to nba made something of their career . Jokic . Divac. Strait to nba and never played in Europe . Best decision that they made
@@miskomarovich1437 Peja? Dončić?
@@miskomarovich1437 Divac played in Europe. Dončić played in Europe, and still did fine, as well as Teletović, Bogdan and Bojan Bogdanović, and many more.
If Jokić played longer in Europe, perhaps he'd be able to actually lead his national team to a gold, or at least a silver medal in any competition.
@@bmsuperstar1 Divac player in ex YU and done this one championship title in europe when Yugoslavia was 20 milion popularnom . After that he went to NBA and track full potencijal and never came back to play on Europe . Bogdan never reached full potential because when you play for that kind of coaches they kill your will and creativities . Jokic made best decision not to play in Europe . He should focus only on his nba career since he was given max contract. Nothing this non sense national team and other side things . This will not bring him anything good.
@@miskomarovich1437 He'll never win a ring either way, at least not as long as team plays Jokić ball.
We all saw his capabilities in national team.
We were not pleased.
You are really riding on that Dusko Ivanovic Stauskas story. We all heard it he will never play in Europe because of hard trainings and unacceptancce of losing or whatever... The guy made the most idotic mistake I've ever seen, he is an idiot and no one would take him...
As for Dusko's "ideology" being a thing of the past, since he came Crvena Zvezda made a U turn and from what could've been a disasterous season now it looks like it might be great season, Crvena Zvezda won every match in both ABA and Eurolague... Of course drop in form is inevetable but in just few weaks he made a team look like real contenders for ABA title and top 8 in Euroleague, Crvena Zvezda is now very tough team to beat. And you also could quote Mirza Teletovic who said that only players who don't want to improve their game can dislike Ivanovic, so there are two sides to every story.
And why coaches from Europe don't do well in the US, I think it's because it's basically a different sport, some in game rules are different, organization is different, expectations are different, culture is different, hierarchy, fans, media, everything is different...
NBA=star centric rest of the world=team oriented and discipline
@@jdelgado216 then why does the US win most of the time?
@@Alieth 1) US are strong in Basketball and the best country
2) The NBA while being star-centric is still filled with talented and generational players.
3) Demographics. When you got the best league and 300 million peoples, there's more chances to find 6'6 talented people. Compare it to France (60 million) or even more extreme Slovenia (2 million).
4) Money and social ladder. Soccer is the most popular sport in the world and when you're poor in Europe, it's best to hope for a good soccer carrier than a good basketball carrier. Basketball is not as supported as in the US (money wise).
@@sylthfarn3187 It's not 300 million people really. Most of those NBA players are so-called black. How can that be?
@@ethanquenum4778 Mainly culture. Sports in the USA are heavily stereotypical.
Swimming and hockey are mainly Caucasian.
Baseball and Soccer, while still mainly caucasian has a lot of latinos players.
Basketball and Football are predominantly African-American.
As for international players, it all depends about the popularity of the sport and demographics there.
NBA coach- "could you please play defense"
Euro coach- "#$%&&##^&##% ^#%^^#$%#% beeeep beeep ^%#%$%#5 beeep"
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This video is so impressive. It would have been easy to focus on cultural factors and other nebulous and unsubstantial concepts, rather than the institutional incentives that perpetuate the European coaching style, such as the fewer games, lack of roster flexibility, reliance on tactics over pure talent, etc. Very informative.
Glad you found this helpful 👌
Euro couch said
Can't play only one who knows
Play who can
Not so much talent but athletic characteristic. ( White man can't jump )
Agreed