Animating with Adobe Fresco vs Procreate Dreams: My Preference Explained
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- Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
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In this video, I'm pitting Adobe Fresco's motions tools against a full on animation app, Procreate Dreams from the perspective of a professional illustrator. 🥊 I’ll break down why I still prefer Adobe Fresco for my motion graphics needs, even though Procreate Dreams is an animation powerhouse.
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• The key differences between Adobe Fresco and Procreate Dreams
• How Fresco’s motion tools stack up against Procreate’s animation features
• Real-life examples of how I use these tools in my illustrations
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I think I am gonna use Procreate Dreams so that I can animate directly on top of footage from my UA-cam videos, and then use fresco for most other art/animation things
Animating over video in Dreams is fun for sure. I do still use it for that quite a bit.
Tenhun's here!
Also with the fact that adobe updated their terms of service allowing them to train your works for their gen Ai
You can turn that off in your privacy settings
Fresco is going to be the only app I miss from Adobe. It’s got some really cool features. Hopefully a lot of artists cancel and Adobe updates their terms of service to remove their theft of our art.
I agree they should make some changes. But I think this is a bit worse than what’s actually happening in some cases. The ai learning stuff can definitely be considered theft, but you can turn that off in your settings.
@@chris-piascik I don't at all think their response is above board. They got caught and are trying to make excuses. The language is very clearly pointing towards AI training, "for improvement of their services". They are trying to say it's all for the good of customers, but have not made any effort as of yet to actually address anything with any legal verbiage.
And yes, you can opt out. Probably, to some things. What you're opting out of isn't clear in the settings. While the terms to use the service in section 4 don't actually say anything about being able to opt out of that part of the TOS, which makes me think that's not what you're opting out of. And of course, it's something you shouldn't have to opt out of to begin with.
And I understand that Fresco is your bread and butter for your workflow, so it's hard to want to step away from that when Adobe blatantly messes up. But there's a large part of me that wishes you would. There's a lot of people who have signed up and will sign up for Fresco (myself included) based on your reviews. If you were able to step away and publicly push against this, as one of Adobe's biggest supporters, I think it would go a long ways in helping to force them to walk this one back.
@@chris-piascik I think you still have to opt into "machine learning" which is a different term for "ai" or there isnt actually a place to opt out of it. when you first sign in there's only an accept button/
@@chris-piascik I love your channel but I think you are giving Adobe too much slack. Two things can be true at the same time. Adobe has great programs sure. But the fact you have to opt-out instead of opt-in already is messed up. And they have done really shady stuff when it comes to canceling your subscription, the terms of service are very artist-unfriendly and they even are getting sued now by the FTC. As a artist you are their product and as of now they are tricking most people into giving their talents to use that against them in the future. Even you, a few brand deals or a shoulder tap won't take away the fact that they are trying to use the creativity of you to discard you from your job.
Adobe has completely lost me with their latest update. Just cancelled my subscription and deleted their apps off all my devices.
It seems like a lot of people feel that way. I think they could be handling this much better. It still is an option to disable a lot of this in your settings.
I deleted all of my Adobe apps as well and deleted my account after transferring my art out. I hope most artists do this so Adobe makes some major changes to their policies. It’s sad because Fresco does have some cool ways of doing things that no one else really has. All of Adobe’s other apps have great alternatives though that I won’t really miss anyway.
@@chris-piascik I held off for a few days to see what their response would be and decided I ultimately wasn't comfortable trusting them, unfortunately.
@@zendragon6 how do you know they deleted your art from their server. They always have a backup 😔
@@reynold99991 I can't know for sure. I did click opt out for all the options, and moved my art off before deleting it. But yeah, damage is probably already done for what I had on there. They won't have access to anything new though.
When you did the "because I love you " bit, I laughed out loud. Excellent.
Haha thank you
Not sure if you’ve heard of toonsquid but based on what I’ve seen of you say in this video i think you would love toonsquid. (Note: i didn’t watch the whole video at time of writing this comment)
We love you Chris! I appreciate your videos, and funny inserts with your double, also the letter graphics on your videos are SUPERB!
Thank you 🙏🏽
Thanks so much!
I also cancelled my Adobe subscription yesterday. I was considering it giving them the benefit of the doubt but after Brad Colbow’s video where he explains how Adobe changed their terms of service for their stock service program to grant them permission retroactively to use it for their AI, I was like what? So, now, I’m like nope, I’m out 😡. Also, Kyle T Webster resignation is another nail in the coffin for me.
Bravo!!!! 🤩✌️
I'm looking forward to my iPad Pro and Fresco and exactly these kinds of animations! Thanks for your entertaining and well made videos! 🤗
Your channel has help em get started with digital drawing. Thank you !. Wanted to ask you if you had had the chance to look into Blender Grease Pencil, or what is your opinion about it. Cheers
I have not, to be honest I don’t know much about it. I tend to have a hard time finding the time to explore a lot of new software.
Hi Chris, i really love your videos which inspired me to start creating again. I love using fresco and felt like i had found my favourite medium to draw my characters and add motion. But now with the Adobe TOS situation i am literally scared to use the app anymore. Really gutted! Don't understand why adobe treat artists like dirt on their shoes! They seem to really despise artists, and want to kill art completely. Ive paid for and used adobe software for about 20 years, and then they do this. I just cant believe what is happening.
In my opinion, both are equally AMAZING, it depends on what software is more sutable for your needs, like brushes, lineart, etc
Yeah I think that was my point too.
I literally just started using fresco. The live oil brushes alone make that app just so wonderful. But I think its back to procreate for the time being.
Those live brushes are wild. Also, you can go into your fresco settings and turn off the AI learning stuff.
@@chris-piascik would you consider making a video about that?
Started using fresco cause of u couple months ago but after the last update its bye bye😂 my work isnt going to be used for AI so im jobless in the future
Understandable, but you can opt out of the ai stuff in your settings.
@@chris-piascikcan you do a tutorial please? Dont know if you made one yet ill check now though 🙏
Cool video would be interested in different use cases for different projects video
Thanks, generally anything that’s a looping animation I use Fresco. If I need to animate over video or sync to audio I use Procreate Dreams.. well actually I tend to do that stuff in Photoshop at my computer more often than not
I quickly fell in love with my workflow in Fresco. With Procreate Dreams, I feel like I have to think four steps ahead. The whole recent Adobe fiasco did make me realize I'm paying too much for the plan I was on, so I canceled it. But I'm looking into hopping back into a cheaper Fresco plan since it was mainly all I used from Adobe after a while.
Ah yeah it’s only 9.99 per year for the full version.
Fresco? But what are your thoughts on Procreate? What about Procreate Dreams? Heard of them? HEARD OF 'EM??
(But seriously, thanks for occasionally revisiting the topic)
lolol
do you know how to disable the AI training within Fresco? is that an option? Id love to see a video about how you mitigate the risk of your work being stolen/trained on by AI. Thank you for this video!! I'm a professional designer and i honestly can't see entire agencies/studios/in-house teams moving away from Adobe. Its just too integrated into not only the design workflow but also integrated with the other teams (editing/animation/etc). But for my personal work, i'd like to do everything i can to protect my own ideas.
There is an option to turn that off in your settings. It should be the default and it’s frustrating that you have to dig for it.
@@chris-piascikand Adobe still will steal it. No thanks. I love your channel but I will never use fresco. I have edited photos in PS and LRC since 2008. Drawn in photoshop and procreate just as long but the way they handled the TOS update was the final straw
Fresco reminds me of deluxepaint animation features. kind of like animate using microsoft powerpoint. Moving pieces on static background. But then again, I us whatever tool does what I need at the time. Phillips, flathead or torque, etc.
Interesting, I’ve never used it. That said, Fresco is more of a drawing/painting app than an animation app.
I would rather engage in traditional hand-drawing than use Adobe Fresco. I have concerns about inadvertently contributing to the use of artistic creations for training artificial intelligence without proper credit or compensation to the original artists.
I must be able to add the song at 7:24 to my Spotify playlists!
Lololol
😂 @7:27 nice vocals
Lololol I wondered if anyone would notice that
While I appreciate your insights to the programs themselves I cannot discount adobe’s shady developer terms. Won’t use their products anymore.
Your outfit is giving… Perry the platypus 😅
Lol
There’s motion graphics software (Fresco) and animation software (procreate dreams). With that said, this animator definitely agree that Savage Interactive dropped the ball with the tools and going soooo far away the intuitive feel that made procreate great.
Hopefully they add the rest of the drawing features to Dreams. Also, Fresco is a drawing/painting app that has some motion features. I definitely wouldn’t call it motion graphics software.
Id like to do animation myself
You should!
@@chris-piascik if fresco can do full animations that sounds like a good deal just hope this recent mess with adobe doesnt cause me any issues
bruh i just got a manscaped ad as a midroll playing the exact same music as the video, that was so surreal for a sec
lol that’s pretty great
I mean CSP is better and they don't have the adobe issues
Does it have similar motion tools like this? I tried messing around with it a bit recently but it was a bit overwhelming. I definitely need to watch some tutorials or something. It was just a very busy UI.
looks cool but adobe is bad for the people
Dreams is a major disappointment because of the terrible drawing tools. I really hope they update it soon.
It could be great, I assume it will get there!
A few? Try like 50. Procreate Dreams is useless right now. I still use Procreate to animate
I disagree strongly with that statement….it’s a wonderful app and I know a lot of professionals that uses it including myself. I see nothing wrong with it except for some lacking features in which they promised to update….besides the initial plan from savage interactive was to use both procreate and dreams together as a single unit just like the way we use illustrator and after effects or cinema 4d….animation is about techniques, tools just aided us to work faster….but the the techniques comes first.
Unfortunately, Fresco is no longer a viable choice (along with all Adobe products), now that Adobe are enforcing appalling new anti consumer/dystopian terms of service.
I don't love it either, but you can still go into your settings to disable some of it.
@@chris-piascik Knowing how these companies operate, that's simply not going to cut it. The only thing that'll get through to them, is a sudden, sharp drop in their revenue. If everyone pushes back, they won't have a choice but to walk it back and when that happens, a precedent is set.
Lol all these people pretending to quit Adobe when they are on a 12 month contract.
Yikes! Fresco sounds like a nightmare!
I have it and it makes me sleepy every time I try to use it.
Pretty sure it’s my fault.
LOL I hate math so much! 🤷🏾 😩
Haha that’s what you got from this? I hate math as much as anyone. All I was saying is that if you want to make something loop cleanly with a whole bunch of different timelines just keep it divisible by the same number. 3,6,9,12,24,144, etc
@@chris-piascik Sorry dude. I’m a “right brained” idiot.
The numbers you just wrote damn near put me in a coma!!😭
I actually became an artist to AVOID dealing with numbers! Jokes on me to learn, (of course) there’s NO escaping math on Earth 😩😝
It’s pobably why I’m a dope character designer, but a lame animator 🤷🏾
I don’t know if EVERYONE has an Achilles heel. But that’s certainly mine.
how people still using adobe products.
4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the Content.
The key part of that is at the beginning, “solely for the purposes of” a lot of this is boiler plate stuff for cloud based apps. It’s definitely scary wording that I don’t love. But most of this is just so they can update your thumbnails within apps and things like that. The AI stuff is not as friendly though. The only positive there is that you can disable that stuff in your settings.
@@chris-piascik for improving the Services and Software, So Adobe has AI services for image creation, to improve image creation models to train the model, Adobe used Adobe Stock images to train the Firefly model without giving back to the creators who were in the store, you're literally paying to train a model with your images that can replace you, Now Adobe doesn't just want to use the images that are in Adobe Stock wants to use all the images, editing processes, anything they do with their programs, because now Adobe is not interested in creatives, they want to promote that anyone can, create images, edit videos, diagram etc to expand their market, and to do that they need a database, which their current users are providing
@@haroldhirs exactly. Adobe gives you some options to opt out. But those are vague as to what you're opting out from. Meanwhile their license you have to agree to in order to use any of their services is vague in the other direction, giving them plenty of wiggle room to steal your stuff even if you opt out of some things.
Are you a well known artist making the big bucks? I’m not! I’d love it if some companies or people stole my artwork and plastered it everywhere! It would be a great help to me. Go ahead make shirts from my art, anything, just get it out there to the masses! Free promotion is appreciated! The more people who see it the better opportunities I get.
@@TheFutureLooksGrimm the problem is that's not how they're going to use your art. They're going to use it to train their AI models. So then they can just reproduce your style without paying you or advertising for you. By paying for Adobe products you are paying them to make AI art in your style that they can then sell to other people. You don't get promotion. You get nothing from that type of use.
FRESCO IS DA BOMB!! Change my mind....
Adobe steals your work to train AI. If that doesn't change your mind, idk what will.
Adobe TOS there. If that does not work you are choosing to lie to yourself and nothing anyone will say will change your mind.
There is an option to opt out of that in your settings.
@@chris-piascik it's not clear what you're opting out of though. It is clear Adobe still has access to your data regardless.
@@chris-piascik how do we opt in? I want Adobe to steal my art and distribute it to the masses! Seriously I’m ok with it. 😁 All these artists quitting this and quitting that because of AI must be making the big bucks and aren’t starving to get their work out there. Us little people will take all the free promotion!
Nah you can animate with fresco? I am done with every other apps
NO MORE ABOBI!
Damnit ABOBi!
Fresco could be the best drawing art app of all time and I would still throw it out with the rest of Adobes trash.
When to prove that you like your wife, you have to spend the time saying bad things about the girl next door.
How many more videos are you going to make saying the same thing?
Lolwut. Did you watch the video? I clearly stated I wasn’t even going to do this comparison, but I was asked countless times to compare the two. One of my first videos was a comparisons of fresco and procreate. After a year when it was outdated I made another. And then I have another video specifically about the motion features because so many people didn’t know about them, and when I found out about them it helped me a lot. Just trying to share that info.
Goodbye adobe.
Adobe 100% will steal your work. Use at your own risk. Chris, time to stop schilling. :)
Although there is reason to be concerned, I don’t think it’s as bad as people think. Adobe depends on the creative industry and the creative industry runs on Adobe products. Stealing the work of people using the software wouldn’t make sense for them. I will be looking deeper, and finding out all I can. But a lot of this is overblown, some of it isn’t though.
@@chris-piascik Well, I am/was an Adobe stock contributor. I had been contributing since circa 2011. At that time it was called "Fotolia" There was no such thing as AI or AI data scraping. Fast forward to now. They announced to the world that "Firefly" is "Ethical" AI because they trained it on their own database of Adobe stock. Well, I can tell you with certainty that they stole my work. They never asked for consent. They just did it. That's pretty bad in my opinion. It is also bad enough for Kyle Webster to finally bail.
@@chris-piascik They already have stolen my work. So...
If you would like to have an offline convo about it I'd be happy to.