The New Scouts are Better than the Sportsters
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The Scout was already the better selling midsize bike in America. Indian didn’t sit still. They improved and made the Scout even better. They beat Harley at their game, looks, sound and fit and finish.
That scout 101 looks delicious! 💪🏽
Yes, super cool.
$17k??
@@gigi9467 I LOOKS delicious, never said I could AFFORD IT 😁
@@sportstermissions lol true, but more
Delicious than a 1800cc street bob with no radiator and individual engine trans and promary?
@@gigi9467 I guess that depends on what you want. Not everybody wants a bike (streetbob) with Royal Enfield level technology and an 18k price tag.
I’m more impressed that they made the thing lighter in spite of the bigger engine.
I'm glad that Indian are continuing to update and innovate but I'll be keeping my 2016 for now.
HD is more of an exclusive branding exercise than it is a motorcycle company these days.
It's more of a T-shirt company, really😅
@atomicgrasshopper4391 That's why everyone always compares every cruiser that comes out to Harley, right? It's ok if you prefer Indian, they look great, and I've heard a lot of good things but this hate everyone has for Harley is kind of sad.
@@Jordan-0692 I have owned 3 Harleys in the past. I like Indian. But I have realised that I am missing out a lot as there are far better motorcyles out there. I now ride a Triumph T120 and a GS. Planning to swap the GS for a Norden 901. I still don't hate on Harley. I love the jokes. But jokes aside, Harleys (and also some indians) don't deserve those price tags. Let's be real, if you want a performance HD that runs, turns, stops and screams, you need to go north of 50-60k$. Absurd money! Stock, they are donkeys.
@@atomicgrasshopper4391 wonder when the last time is you've ridden a Harley? Their new Nightster at $12k has almost every reviewer thinking "wow okay...this speed I did not expect", and the Pan America is way better than it has any right to be and sits at $20k. These "run, turn, stop, and scream". Only issue is the old-school Harley boys complain they aren't "true Harleys" if that matters to people.
That being said, this Scout 101 is making me consider trading in my current bike as the price, features, and looks are borderline what I'd be willing to spend, or can wait a year for newly used around $15
@@thefuturetom The Nightster is just not working for me, It may be the left side of the bike, it may be the radiator, it may be the lack of atention to detail, I still don't know. (Also, in Europe where I live is priced around 15-16k). The Pan Am, yes. I dig that a lot! I'm sure a Pan Am 2.0 would be a killer and would have fixed all the NO NOs. As for the 101. Can't wait to see it in person. Beautiful bike.
As someone who has been riding Harleys since 2006 I will honestly say these new Scouts look better than anything on the Harley showroom floor today.
Indian actually listened and implemented the things people wanted with the scouts. Cruise control, traction control, rider modes and the tech are great especially for riders that like the extra safety layers. The better suspension on most minus the bobber. The exhaust looks good too imo the 2 into 1. I really want one now. Price is still up there but they actually look like they give a hoot about what their bike looks like. The new nightzter was a mess, wires and garbage just everywhere, what was harley thinking and the price was outrageous. The nightzter would've been OK if they priced it at $8k or 9 maybe but good grief $15k for that mess. These actually look deserving of their price more than the harley bikes.
Yes, and it's good that they offer some down spec models as well as the high end ones.
HD's only answer to the Scout now is performance. Ironic really. That being said, if performance is really your thing in this segment, you're undoubtedly going to pick the Rebel 1100, Diavel, Brutale or Rocket III, depending on where you are on the power craving meter. HD truly did themselves a disservice by once again not understanding what the customer wants. Selling an ugly plastic bike with performance is putting them in the Japanese wheel house. A place no Sportster has any business being in, and no hope of being succesful. Nobody looking at a Duke 890, or MT09 SP is going to give a sportster S the time of day.
True. If performance is the top of the list, I wouldn't be looking at either HD or Indian: there are much cheaper and better options out there.
HD could release the best motorcycle right now, and they would still not be at the top unless they make it affordable and provide good Customer Service. Personally, I would never consider a Harley until they correct the wrong they did on the very Mom-and-Pop dealership that kept them afloat all these years.
The Scout (2015 - 2024) make 100hp and weigh 550lbs. The new Scout (2025+) makes 111hp and weighs the same.
The Scout is an absolute missile, and for good reason; because it is Indian re-branding the Victory Octane, which was a tire shredding muscle bike. Other than cosmetic changes, mechanically identical to the Scout.
The Diavel is a different type of bike for a completely different audience, as is the Brutale, and the Rocket III weighs 800 pounds.
The Scout is the performance king among cruisers. Has been for 9 years.
HD did themselves in killing off the Vrod platform. My Vrod is 160WHP and with the Tbar setup is an amazing machine. I just picked up a 23 K1600b and while fast, the Vrod will dust it. HD is stuck on the old tech and cramming it into 50K dressers while relegating the good motors to Adventure bikes and its version of a Crotch Rocket. While Indian has some good looking and performing bikes, fit and finish still goes to HD. The controls on the Indians look cheap and generic and the overall feel of the bikes feels subpar when compared directly to HD.
@@PotatoeJoe69 and the almost 20 year old Vrod is still faster. HD had the platform but in typical HD fashion dropped the ball.
Hardley, also known as the clothing company that sometimes sells motorcycles..
Ducati what? 😅😅😅
Awesome upgrade. I do however like the look of the 1133cc motor and the dual exhausts.
To answer your question at the end, if it *has* to be an American cruiser, I'd go for the 101 Scout. The engine sounds fantastic and the bike looks gorgeous.
This got me thinking... wether HD really is loseing it's grip on the market. Near me, here in Switzerland, I recently read of two HD dealers, both going into their third owner generation, have had to call it quits and shut up shop😢.
Now then, where's Indian.., there's a hole to be filled in my area😊!
Same here in the UK, HD dealerships are closing all over the place.
H.D are simply too expensive, you get too little for the money, - I would always choose a Triumph or BMW, then you get a lot more motorbike for the money. BMW is in a class of its own, - super quality that ensures thousands of miles without any problems.
We just has a big multi brand dealer bring in Indian. That's an advantage Indian has, not insisting on dealers carrying their brands exclusively.
@DifferentSpokesTV Indian and Kawasaki paired up in the UK and that makes sense
@@mattwuksame too in Switzerland, and some dealerships have taken in R E as well.
Based on looks, Indian has my money. The power the Sportster has over the Indian is not a deal breaker when you take into account that they are cruisers. Plus, it is not that much of a difference.
The Indian is also heavier with less lean angle
@@shanethedestroyerone is a cruiser the other is a sportster
The sportster s is more comparable to the ftr
Great video bud, always wanted to have an 883 here in the UK but not to practical but the basic scout I think I could live with and looks cleaner too
I'll stick with my Iron 1200.
My 883 is my 20th bike and most likely my last bike after 57 years of riding
Loads of character and ride well too.
In my opinion these new Scouts look really good and are a big step up from the previous gen but I think the Harley's still compete or beat these new bikes in a few ways. For one, Nightsters had a big price drop for '24 such that now a base Nightster is nearly the same price as a Scout Bobber Sixty w/ABS (and the Nightster offers much more for that price). This also means that these new Scouts are considerably more expensive than comparable Nightsters. A Bobber limited is $1700 more than the base Nightster and the Bobber limited +tech is $1700 more than a Nightster Special. Yeah you are getting an even bigger engine but the Scouts weight at least 60lbs more so performance will only be marginally better than a Nightster...we'll see about ride and handling but the Nightster is significantly better than the old Scouts and will likely still be better. I do agree the overall appearance is nicer on the Scouts. I think the Nightster has a good profile and the proportions are good but fit/finish/details are a step down from the Scouts. For the top of the range I think the Sportster S wins vs the Scout 101. Personally I think the Sportster S looks cooler (and like nothing else in the market really). From a performance standpoint the HD 1250 simply crushes the Scout 1250 (and weights 50lbs less). Overall though these new bikes do look really cool and I'm anxious to test them out. I hope they do well for Indian and in doing so force HD to continue to develop the Rev Max platform.
Well said
I think HD are heading in a fucking ugly direction personally - the modernisation is good but holy fuck everything they make looks MESSY. Indian know how to clean up lines and hide stuff.
The great thing about Indian is that these will definitely force Harley to compete with better models.
If I'm able to get into a place with a garage, I'll be looking to get a bike again. I think I'm only really considering either a Triumph Bonneville or one of these new Scouts.
Had 4 bonnevilles. Test rode a scout bobber and that was a lot more fun to me.
Keep the 60, and lower the price on the base model.
The new Scout classic looks sweet!
I've seen more than enough bobbers, thank you. And they have less lean angle! Just...No!
I'm REALLY interested in their Super Chief, but they went and bobbed the damn fenders! With the vestigial front fenders they're putting on some of their bikes, they may as well delete them altogether and drop the price a couple hundred bucks. I'd respect that more than what they're currently doing.
Yes, a Classic with bags and a windshield might be the perfect Scout.
Super Scout for me. Beats any of the current Sportsters hands down IMHO. Thanks for the video.
Good choice! Thanks for the comment!
I'm switching from Hayabusa because of my family. I tried different HDs and was disappointed. Then I tried the bobber and fell in love with how comfortable, good looking and powerful enough it is. But the tech features were like 20yo model. Definitely need to try a new one.
Ex Busa rider here and I also want the Indian Scout 101 Looks sweet!!!
I'm old, can buy what I want, wouldn't spend $15-20k on a bike, ever. Well, maybe a real 1200Sporty, but those are gone....
Tons of them on the used market and they may be classics someday.
I agree. Even if I were a rich man spending 20k+ on a MOTORCYCLE is way too expensive. For petes sake you can get a new car for that money! Even if motorcycles are considered luxuty items and even if they have a lot of (unnecessary) tech in them, there is way too much air in that price they are asking.
Totally agree with you, My favorite one its also the Amazing Scout Classic, Truly love that Spectacular Cruiser!!!, Great explanation and video as well, Thanks for sharing 🤘✌️👊!!!
Absolutely love the look of the 101, but at 6’1” I feel like my options are between the Chief and Low Rider S to be able to fit comfortably. Hopefully they’ll have the 101 around for some demos though!
Great looking bikes... But since I just got a 23 Chieftain Elite, I'm not exactly in the market.
I'm not a cruiser guy, but a 101 with mid controls would be the closest thing since the HD XR1200 to what I'd find to be a cruiser I'd have any interest in.
Mid controls is the way!!! I don't understand why people want to lay back on any bike, I just don't get it.
Great looking bike. I love how Indian keeps Harley on it's toes to compete with one another. This makes all bikes better year after year!!
Yep, I'm sure Harley will expand its Sportster line after this.
Thanks for another great video. I must say, they are nice looking bikes. :)
Glad you like them!
Like you, I was not expecting such a big update and was very pleasantly surprised. I'd go for the 101 as it just looks so good! Plus, the suspension on it is already upgraded, which is probably the first thing one should do on a Scout. They are amazing bikes except for the stock shocks. Really liking the new frame as it looks so old school classy.
Totally agree! I rode a Bobber once and needed a chiropractor afterwards.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Haha, same here. If I was shorter, the Scout would be a top choice
I don't think I have a place for a cruiser in my life sadly, but if I had I would definitely go Sport or 101. They are gorgeous!
3.4 gallons? I guess they know people aren’t going to ride them very far!
That's more than the old models. I guess big tanks aren't stylish.
Good video, thank you.
Thank you too!
I agree the Indian Scout‘s look and feel great! They are killing it💪🏻 Still got myself the „garbage“ Nightster last week.
The scouts been better than the sportster since it came out. I had a sporty 1200 with a cam and a 1250 kit with new fork springs stiff oil and shocks to jack up the rear a little to match. The scout basically blows it away engine wise and with some taller shocks and a spring kit for the forks to bring the bike up an inch or two it’d whoop booty. It’d also basically be an ftr I just realized but that’s beside the point
Yeah, you can do anything to a Sportster. However, you have to do a lot to make it perform.
Definitely better looking with the 2 into 1 exhaust, Harley Davidson doesn't appear to understand styling, with that clunky exhaust on what's supposed to be sporty. These scouts have me seriously considering buying one. I like the model with the full rear fender, and the touring model. The longer suspension travel hopefully smooths the ride quality out.
I love the scout but I'm 6'3 and I kind of dwarf it. I'd like a chief but there's no liquid cooled, I think I'll still give the scout another test drive.
I love the scout line and the New Standard Bobber with less electronics is a must have for me. Harley should offer OPTIONS on FOOT CONTROLS... I sat on the Sportster S and it should have mid or rear foot controls. I like that the Indian New bobber has a lot less electronic "Bells and Whistles". Indian liquid cooling and the Triumph bobber both you do not see the radiator so much... good on all these NEW scouts. less electronic "Bells and Whistles" is a strong selling point for me.
That scout 101 looks beautiful
That 101 is 🔥🔥🔥🤗🔥🔥🔥
They are smart to keep a few of the old models at that 10k price point. HD has nothing at that entry level pricing. I see tons of scouts on the road, they are basically buying these now that the ironhead sportsters are discontinued. Dumb move by HD to get rid of those.
The previous scout looks just a bit off to me, but this new one nails the look perfectly!
Just bought a leftover 2023 Indian Scout Bobber Twenty in maroon metallic. Couldn't pass up the promos Indian and the dealership gave me. Beautiful bike..not too mad they just announced a completely new platform but I'm glad they didn't slap a new fairing on the original and give it a new name.
The current one is still really good. Alumimum frame is sketchy but clearly its possible
Yep, there are going to be some deals to be found on last year's models.
The Scout 101 is only 111hp which is still too low, will have to wait n see what the Stage 1V upgrade will bring to the table & also a turbo option with wheel n tyre packages suspension & brake upgrades
@Different Spokes TV:
Thank you for this video!
I agree, in my perception Indian nailed it with the new Scouts. 5 different models right off the bat, all of them very desirable the gorgeous 101 at the top.
Another bad news for HD (at least in the EU market) is the R12 from BMW. At first I percepted the R12 a bit like a Grandpa's R nineT, but that perception has changed completely.
The new R12 platform seems to be promising. What we already know is that we'll see a R 12 GS. But this time a "serious" GS in contrast to its predecessor.
The RevMax platform is in its 4th year now.
Neither have we seen any significant improvements on the existing models nor any new models.
Pan Am sales in the EU never were convincing and dropped 70% in 2023 compared to 2022.
I've not seen a Nightster on the road yet, no joke.
The Sportster S did very good in the first year. Everyone thought of it as a great one off fan service on the RevMax platform. The most important model was the Bronx. Like no brainer.
It's really kind of bizarre, even the 3 LifeWires do a better job than the RevMaxes.
Yes, I've seen plenty of Scouts but no Nightsters or Sportster Ses. No Pan Ams either. They are just not doing well. The R12 finally got it right after the R18 got it very wrong.
Die R 12 GS wird der absolute Knaller werden. Der Boxer mit 109 PS und Kardan ist ein sehr ausgereiftes Konzept. Ich denke im Herbst wissen wir mehr. Vorgestellt in Garmich bei den BMW Days oder bei der Eicma in Mailand.
I really wish they'd put the challenger motor on a chief
I really like that 101
Hats off to Indian on this new bike. Beast of a looker !
Indian has alway been cooler than Harley
I think there was an updated Springfield and Chieftan sometime ago… Victory!
The prior scout was outstanding, im honestly pretty surprised theyve stepped it up, but glad. Theyre not for me, but damn, they're really nice. The Bobber is gorgeous.
Thanks for this! Indian has always been on my list, this maybe the time to move on one! I have always thought Indian Styling was better than HD’s.
Thanks for the comment. In the past I liked the Sportsters better but that has flipped lately.
I like the Super Scout!! I wish it were more affordable, though.
Yep. The Rouge 60 is the more affordable version.
I sat on the previous models & these look similar in riding position. With the pegs so far forward I felt folded in half when reaching for the bars. Even with the more pulled back ones. Combined with the super low seat it just felt all wrong, & not conducive to comfort or control. They look great, but don't work for me.
It's a horrible riding position... There's a reason used scouts for sale are plentiful
Yeah, the cruiser position is not for everyone. My wife much prefers ADV bikes or standards while I'm good with all bikes.
Very good review.
Thanks!
Scout classic if I were to get one (I'm not- Happy with my Tiger 900). Classic has the best looks to me.
Yep, ADV bikes can do everything all other bikes can do.
I love the heritage, but take away the badge and I feel they could easily be a Suzuki or Kawasaki - to me it's a pretty generic looking water cooled twin.
So happy they improved the ground clearance though
They are putting effort. Amazing.
If I had the money to throw, would get the 101.
I think I would try to get a HD Fat Bob, but if I couldn’t, the Scout family is more tempting than the Sportster. Would get mine with bags and windshield
I have a HD Fat Bob and it will smoke just about any bike out there.
I share your concern about Indian cutting the Sixty, their entryway
I ride a Chief 111 bobber, so my choice would be the Scout classic in black
That 101 Scout 😍
There's going to be reliability issues for sure, the latest old models still had plenty of issues
Definitely a superior bike 🥸
Nice bikes but the 13l fuel tank is not really suitable for touring...actually quite ridiculous, just made for showing off at the street
cafe around the corner...
Very Nice
The new 101 is calling to me. I'm still not over the fact that HD won't release the Bronx, so any sporty cruiser is appealing to me.
They should release the Bronx in a 1250.
I'd take the Classic with the limited tech pack.
Way way better looking than the so called Sporty.
Honestly I'd buy it over a Street Bob just on looks.
You may have nailed this one.😄
Thanks!
Pretty 😍Indians for sure👏👍👍
Harley killed off the Sportster when they came out with their Honda Rebel clones! Ish!
I simply like it
Indian hit a home run!
New Scouts look SICK
It looks great to me.
Very nice bike… but once again clearly not affordable for most of us. It will cost north of 25K in canada for a decently equipped bike and that’s not considering financing and possible markup by the dealer… For this price (and sometime for much less…) all manufacturers can sell you a very good bike… Example : the Honda rebel 1100 is 10K cheaper and is certainly a nice alternative. So I will keep this new scout on my radar but will not make a move until I have more info on the rest of the 2025 models.
So Mike Dougherty, President for Indian. said the Scout is the top-selling platform and the new models and accessories are targeted at "creating a wider riding community". I guess the question is will this line up actually expand its market share? And, why not introduce the Scout 60 models to demonstrate the breath of the Scout brand and provide a low price point? Indian makes outstanding products but their marketing strategy and dealer network is questionable.
I hope they bring out updated Scout 60s as well. These are definitely pricey but Indian could crush Harley in this segment by offering better value and a wider range, which they are right now.
I know one thing, the scout is wayyyy better looking than the cartoon looking sportster. I'll keep my '23 117 Low Rider S. Power, looks, handling. Very happy man.
Forget the Sportster, it kinda looks better than the Sport Chief which imo is the king atm and the 101 offers everything at a cheaper price and it has adjustable front shocks and TC and weighs alot less
Personally I'd rather have the old Sportster than either....
wasnt sportster discontinued?
Personally, I wouldn’t buy either the Indian nor the Harley but I think the Harley is the better looking of the two.
$14k US sounds good for the red Classic. Fortunately, I don't have any more room. That's an Indian I could own.
Great video 👍 In my humble opinion the new Sportsters are ugly and a million miles away from what a Sportster should be. The Super Scout is the one for me!
Holy shit it’s basically the victory octane but $5k more!
And now I want a scout again, or maybe I need a chief cuz I’ve had a scout
The 101 does have a 111hp but it's still 10hp short of the sportster s and 10ft lbs of tq lower than the Sportster S. This 101 is also 50lbs heavier than the S and has less lean angle capability. Pretty rough being that it comes in at the same price as the S. Then the now bigger gas tank? Yes, it's 0.1 gallon bigger than the older Scout.
Yeah but you get to ride a nice looking bike... also with a couple of upgrades, those 10's vanish pretty quick. Sportster S is... another ugly HD mess imo.
I don't think Indian Motorcycle imagined that the Scout would have more power than the Sportster S. Indian's "Sportster Sport" is the FTR (Indian Motorcycle's "sportsbike") - Anyway: The new Scout is beautiful in contrast to the lumpy "radiatorised" hose chaotic, exposed wire, nothing quite fit together, cheap looking. A and B sided product of the competitor. Speaking of course: Sportster/Nightster. I've owned 5 Harley-Davidsons, one of which was a V-Rod muscle... So I'm not a brand hater. The V-Rods are Miles better looking than the liquid-cooled bikes Harley is putting out these days. A modern V-Rod muscle ... Imagine the Revolution Max engine in that one?
Good points. I think looks and style wise the 101 will appeal to more people though. And it looks to have better wind protection.
That’s a pretty low bar. Where is the Indian Adventure bike? 12-1300, shaft drive? BMW GS is harder target
Nice to see that there is still an american brand that sees the importance of styling a cruiser properly. No, not meaning HD...
When you see the left side of lc Harley engines, and compared that with triumph or Indian lc engines... my God... Hd should just have made a 1000cc sportster with a smaller m8 engine and 6 gears, basically a smaller street bob with a sportster gas tank on it... But no.
The 101 looks Amazing, it'll blow that Ugly Nightster out of the water. H-D needs to bring back the XLCR with the 1250 Engine. And if the Bronx comes back, use the 1250 Engine as well, Polaris just up'ed the Game !!
I have a feeling that this will elicit a response from Harley.
@@DifferentSpokesTV
For sure, they have to, to compete
Yeah personally I prefer the old Scout over the new Sportster. Hope they make a new version of the Scout 60 because I'd rather have a low price than a super powerful engine
Not to mention the cost of insurance. In my area, a bike over 1000cc costs over 3 times as much to insure, than a bike under 1000cc. That’s why I think the Nightster Special is the best of both worlds
That's what cruisers are all about.
I just can't get into water-cooled motorcycles, no matter what the brand. To me, they just don't look or sound good. Performance might be their strength, but that just doesn't rank all that highly for me. Much prefer the looks, sound, and feel of air/oil cooled bikes and will stubbornly stay with them to the end - mine or theirs. My ride is a sportster 1200 and I love her and I don't look at anyone else. Not even tempted, thank you.
Yeah, I miss my old 1200. In a few years I might get one of the air cooled Chiefs.
I dont know man the prices on these make me just want to get the real thing (hd) am disappointed indian didnt try the lower price angle instead gave us $1 worth of tech and stick to the high proces.. maybe the sixty will be the “one”
I hope they update the 60s and keep them between 10-11K.
@@DifferentSpokesTV hard to beat the hondas 500,1100 and the new royal enfields man. Personally i would spend 10-11 on an indian but maybe so on a harley and my friends that are back to riding after a few years seem to be comfortable spending under 10 grand
RIP HD
I'll never understand why cruisers command such a price premium. It's laughable that the Scout 101 costs more than a Speed Triple RS, despite making only 111 hp.
Yamaha Bolt R-Spec $8,899.
Agreed that they are better, but sportsters look way better.
Just curious, when was your last eye exam?
To me the old EVO Sportsters looked good but the new ones are not meeting that standard.
@@DifferentSpokesTV agreed
Scout 101👍
The 101 no doubt
I'm not a young rider (45) but I own a 22 scout... my wallet is shaking. I may be in the market for the 101
my 2012 street glide is getting dusty
Yeah, they've really made a splash with these bikes.
Indian motor...Alien Head
Y no Chrome?
Blacked out is in right now.
@@DifferentSpokesTV just wish there was the option is all…I like bright work
They not crushing the Sportsters. They are just same ridiculously priced entry level bikes. Looks department is subjective. Although I personally like Scouts better. But neither will sell in any considerable numbers. And it would be funny if they just go the way of Victory one day. I don't see that many on roads honestly. I've only seen one Scout out in a wild since they started making them.
Interesting. Here in Canada I'm seeing more Indians and that includes plenty of Scouts. I live in a denser populated area though.