I think a table of contents will be very helpful. All times and descriptions are approximate: 0:55: windmills / bend, twist, and touch toes with fingers 1:45: full sit-ups, supported sit-ups, sit-ups with weights on chests 2:55: V-sits, and V-sits with twists 3:30: tricep dips off the end of a bench 4:10: running on same side of an inclined road all the time 5:32: upright rows 6:35: standing chest rows with dumbbells 7:25: standing side bends with dumbbells 8:12: behind the neck press-ups and military press 9:24: wide based push ups 10:18: jumping exercises on concrete and landing position of knees 10:48: quad extension machines 11:51: twisting motion with weights for core
Long ago my physical therapist drummed into me "You can bend, and you can twist, but NEVER bend and twist at the same time." So I changed how I moved when I was building things or doing heavy gardening. It was awkward at first to avoid bending and twisting at the same time, and to do some things in two steps instead of one, but that has saved me a lot of pain as I've aged - I can feel how keeping those two movements separate keeps my spine stable.
@@111Phoenix777 i have started working out at home about 20 days back and I'm doing triceps bench dips... I myself knew that something is wrong maybe I'm hurting my shoulder then i saw this video and it got confirmed... Can you suggest me few alternatives..!?
@@luxky.1832 I don't know if I know anymore about it than you. I'm still learning myself. I never liked doing tricep bench dips ever. They always hurt my shoulders, even when I was a young man. Last year with all the gyms being closed I broke down and bought a pull-up/dip station for home and was glad I did. And I've been using exercise bands with that to decrease the weight, since I can no longer lift my own body weight. With the few exercises I do these days, I avoid the extremely wide grips which I always started with and emphasized when I was a young man. Also I'm taking MSM and Glucosamin Chondroitin every day to save what's left of my joints. I would recommend either using a dip station, or two tables or chairs on either side of you, about shoulder width apart, so you can start with your hands directly under your shoulders or slightly in front of you, so you're avoiding the extreme angle rotation on your shoulders
One of the books that Zahabit recommended was Dr. Kelly Starrett's and Glen Cordoza's "Becoming a Supple Leopard" (2015). I bought the book a few months ago, but have yet had a chance to read it cover to cover. On pages 216 to 217 though, it talks about dips, and the importance of keeping your forearms vertical throughout the exercise. I'm not sure that I've been doing that, so I'm learning here too. Also, it recommends that you use a dip station that's high enough off the ground that you don't have to bend your legs during the exercise. I haven't been doing that either, but not sure what my alternatives are. All the gyms are still closed, and it's impractical for me where I live to buy a set of parallel bars. I think we're all just doing the best we can with what we have. I'm not in pain when I do my limited exercise routine, yet, so I'm lucky. But I guess I could use some work on my form.
@@kelleychilton2524 Girl do what you mean I did 11 of these last school year for school it's been over 50 years and they still don't know these are bad?
@@Hestaka Most PE teachers just don't care and stick to textbook exercise... And kids are less likely to get hurt (and heal fast) from those exercises. Now we know, why PE teachers can't give a proper example for those exercises 😒
Notes taken from the video: 1)Be aware of when your joints are working excessively in order to compensate for the motion unnatural for a human, and change the direction or amplitude of exercise to preserve them; 2)Do not twist and bend your spine simultaneously, work on different muscle groups along the spine, but keep it fixed in one way or another to not stress it too much; 3)Negative effects of irrational exercising take time to build up, and you will realize them when you have already done much more bad than good to your skeletal structure; 4)You always can find another exercise for the desired group of muscles if you understand that the previous ones did you wrong; 5)Bob & Brad are the most famous physical therapists on the net (in their opinion, of course)
Absolutely. It's so annoying saying we have healthy alternatives but not giving them! Maybe it's a way of making us watch their 2000 videos trying to find them...
Better than alternatives, learn how to improve your body so you *can* do these things safely. There are thousands of good UA-cam videos showing good progressions. The body is made to move in all kinds of ways and if you pay attention not to force things, your body will adapt.
I always walked my dog along the same slope at the park. I ended up tilting my pelvis, and with bursitis in one hip. The physical therapist fixed me up like magic. But five years later, I developed arthritis in the injured hip and had to get a total hip replacement. Bob, you know what you are talking about. BTW, the surgery went perfectly, and I am doing great.
Finally!! My whole life I’ve had trouble with sit-ups; I can literally hear my lower back POP each time, but nobody ever believed me! They acted like I was being lazy & I was like no, it really hurts my back 😭
I am retired and I need exercises. After viewing many fitness/physiotherapists on UA-cam, I have decided to watch your videos only. Your explanations and honesty give you credability, and you are fun to watch.
Ikr I’m 14 with a lot of knee, ankle, WRIST, foot and upper back pain 😞. My wrists hurt so bad and are sore that I don’t want to pick up anything. Doing similar workouts and I have ran 5 miles two days in a row before. I have to be careful what I do and make sure I rest.
Don'ts or be cautious: - Sit-ups - Russian twists - Tricep dips - Running - don't run the same side of the road / same track direction - upright rows - bench press but standing upright! - Loaded side bends - (military) press behind the neck - wide based (elbows out) press-up - jumping exercises. Not on concrete. Be careful knees don't collapse inwards. - quad extension weight machine - v-sits / weighted Russian twists
I was very heavy and started swimming, walking, running and exercising in the pool (to avoid back problems and joint wear)... I've lost more than 30 kilos from June until now in December!
Yeah, props to you! I hate to say it, but the hard part is just starting (if you had that weight on for a long time.) I put on about 15 pounds after a Soccer injury 30 years ago, and it stayed on for quite a while. I have lost it a couple of times, but it always came back, until this last time. This time I lost it as you did- just by staying active for a long period of time (not really even thinking about the weight issue.). (Pickleball.) Now my weight is 2 pounds more than when I played College Soccer, and has been for almost a year. I think if you enjoy the exercise you're getting, you'll probably successfully keep it off, but it you're eating and /or exercising in an unpleasant way just to lose weight, probably not going to work long term.
Just keep on adjusting the routines to your changing weight. Really fat people are basically a walking gym. If they could strip away the fat there'd be quite a set of muscles underneath, at least below the waist. But while you lose weight, you are basically working out with decreasing weight....
I stopped the forward bend and windmills and the lower back pain just stopped ! Thank you very much ! Please do keep sharing information like this. The "don't's" are actually so very important.
You two are VERY consistent! I have seen some of these warnings in your other videos, and the reasoning and warnings have been consistently the same. That makes me, as a researcher and analyst, very happy.
Back in 2016, my personal trainer had me doing most of these exercises, until I was in so much agony after a year, I had to quit. Thank you for explaining why that likely happened to me. I have been following a few of your videos for a while now, and they're very enlightening and helpful in my current workout.
Probably the most honest video on exercise on YT. I always felt something was off with these exercises, but i continued doing them as literally everyone is doing them too... Never again.
The alternatives video is at ua-cam.com/video/e8dyPfXk42M/v-deo.html or search for Alternatives For 15 Common Exercises You Should NEVER DO! (By Popular Demand)
I hired a trainer at the gym and within a few months it messed up my back and knees and now I’m 37 and I go for chiropractor care for adjustments. Eventually all this bad exercises we do at the gym will take a toll on your body. I’m glad I came across this channel.
After 10 years of constant chiropractic treatments, I came to the conclusion that it’s quackery. I finally improved when I quit getting adjustments, changed jobs, and began exercising again.
@@9UaYXxB Wisdom is known of her children. What would you say of those people who got significant improvement after visiting a chiropractor? Modern is as scientific as it is political.
@@omusaatsawatuukha2513 What would you say to those people that have experienced paralysis or other medical emergencies after visiting a chiropractor? Remember it is not technically medical treatment or necessary, and therefore not worth the risk of death or grave injury. Popping your knuckles feels good until you develop severe arthritis.
@@Chunkable999 People who have suffered back pains for years will disagree with you on whether it is "technically medical treatment or necessary." There are people who have experienced medical emergencies after taking drugs recommended to them by doctors.
Hey guys! Greetings from Panama! I am an English Professor for an PT and Nursing university. The best from you is to help my students with your short videos for them to look for the background information of each of the topics you present everytime. Thank you! Because you are part of my class. The sky is the limit. Mr. Ortega
I've been a member of the YMCA for over 20 years and have done every single one of those exercises. Now I know where my spinal stenosis came from. Thanks for sharing!!!!
I avoid gym memberships. I'm 67 years old. I cannot afford physically nor financially the "no pain, no gain" philosophy. That lands people in the Hospital and a lot of pain. I'll pass.
Not wholly true sir. I survived 60's PE, have no military time and ABSOLUTELY have no back pain or problems whatsoever. I also did not do sports in school. Guess I'm just lucky,.... though I personally, I call it "being blessed" ! Hope you can find a remedy of some sort for your back. Thank you for your service !
Thanks, guys! I’m 59 and have always been active. I had rotator cuff surgery a couple of months ago, and am going thru PT now. Your videos are entertaining and helpful. God bless!
Hi, I'm a Physical Medicine & Rehab/Pain doc in LA and I love your videos (and your theme song!) . I wish there was more content on the internet like what you're creating: good, basic, universally entertaining physical and medical knowledge. I'd love to collaborate on a "15 Alternatives" video and have you guys fact check some of the exercises I prescribe to pretty much all of my patients. Also I would love any advice you have about starting a channel about function from a medical perspective. I hope you reach out to me, and keep up the great work!
These 'don'ts' are right in line with Athlean-X's channel. He preaches the same exercises are bad to do. I stopped doing all of these exercises, and my shoulders, back, and knees haven't been stronger.
The only thing they would probably disagree on is Russian twists. I've seen Jeff do those in a V-sit position, and his rotation core movements often include spine flexion. A few years ago Jeff did say spine flexion combined with rotation caused hernia, but he still does that in his videos. I don't know about Jeff's experience with patients/athletes with herniated lower back (and that seems to be one area he hasn't had an injury), but that seems to be the weak spot of his channel. Even on the video about sciatica he went on to talk about fake sciatica and offered solution for that, though his recommendation of daily spine decompression is in line with the hernia treatment shown in this channel. Still, most of Jeff's 1 million ab exercises are really problematic for people with herniated disks, but he would just tell you to strengthen your hips instead of coming up with lower back friendly movements as he does with knees, shoulders, wrists and elbows. Even for flat feet he has incredible exercise tweaks, but not much on lower back problems.
This is AMAZING! Thank you guys for being such a forefront for the Physical Therapist profession and taking this to the most used social media platform. We KNOW what we are talking about! Trust me, we didn’t go through 19 years of schooling to provide inaccurate information. These guys are extremely brilliant, and they are doing this to benefit everyone else. They care! So please keep creating videos, because you’re inspirational, motivating, and amazing advocates. Thank you!
It is so surprising that most physical therapist agree with all your recommendations. Yet if you go to any gym one sees these exercises being done often with a personal trainer! Too bad your videos can’t be played on a constant loop on TVs at all gyms. You guys are great. Simple but comprehensive instructions!
@@wilfreddv are you sure I have read plenty of comments and all of them says they got problems ... Later everyone blames the form ... Nobody actually is considerate about the problem someone is going through
im 23 and so glad i stumbled upon this at my age. luckily a lot of the exercises to never do are ones i hate anyway because they hurt--bob and brad are on point! there are too many people my parents' age with bad backs because they did stuff like this :(
Well looks like I have been doing things wrong, thanks for putting me right. I have chronic back pain so will look for better exercises to do to help me with pain and improve what I have. Thanks so much 👋
I suffer so much from lower back pain, you guys have really helped more than the couple dozens of doctors, physical therapists, etc ive been seeing. Thanks for the support. How can i get an appointment.
I live a fairly active life and out of all my friends, I'm the only one who still goes to the gym 3 times a week. Being going since I was 18. I am 40 now. I don't use heavy weights. My lower back starts deteriorating over the years and it always hurt more the next day after gym. Now I know why! Spent a lot of money on sports therapy massage and even laser treatment with only temporary relieve. Watched a few of your videos to diagnose my issue (S.I). Tried your 4 stretches and instantly relieve! I can seat down for more than half hour without pain. However, I'm still very stiff in the morning. Hopefully I'll find an answer in one of these videos. Big thanks guys. Love your videos.
UA-cam says 1 year ago... Kor, how have you been doing? Having neck and lower back pain myself (when sitting down) and wondering if you've had any big improvement...:)
I have been working out with a trainer and my neck and back are hurting and we did the sit-ups and the behind the head with weights and until I saw your video I didn’t realize that is what is causing my pain. Thank you for this
I am a male massage therapist and went to school for this profession for 5 years and because of this I developed a lot of common seance around exercising and stretching. I watch your videos just to verify that what i am doing is correct. i have not had back pain for the last 20 years because I stretch psoas , periformis and hamstring muscles
Many times in classes I would sit out certain exercises or modify them & be viewed as uncooperative. Thank you for sharing this info - I hope more teachers see it and I hope everyone always does what's right for them vs. what's expected of them in a class! There are good and bad teachers out there. Find the good ones!
Mind blown 50% of my Gym routine obliterated in one vid 😳 😂😂😂 Thank you, because I hated the last exercise the most. Cowbell sit twist things. Not doing them any more
Barry Wainwright exactly my thoughts. None of that really has much to do with the gym. Most moderate workout moms have more equipment then they mentioned in this video. Dude full of it or he’s been throwing money out the window.
@@ferngully3481 why judge the person. they may have a gym buddy or are more consistent when going to a physical gym. why judge what they do at a gym. they also said only 50%. the other 50% is likely them using equipment that the gym provides.
I did those v-sits and Russian twists in my 20-ies and ended up with pinched sciatica nerve and now in my 40 's if I am not extremely careful It comes back. So true!
I think the important thing is to listen carefully to your body when doing an exercise. Limit the range or lower the weight, or abstain altogether if a certain exercise stresses a joint or muscle. Many, many people have been able to do sit-ups, standing press, etc. without issue. But a lot of this info is certainly good to keep in mind.
Most importantly, focus on your form more than the numbers of weight or reps that you do. At least at first. A good exercise with bad form is no better than a bad exercise with good form
@Jon Beck he's targeting athletes and people who want to build functional strength. Also check out some of his older videos, there aren't as many gimmicks but still full of great information. You dont need to look any farther than his professional athlete clients or absolutely shredded physique to see he knows what he is talking about. In addition, just because he promotes strength training doesnt mean you'll turn into a mass monster if you follow his workout regime.
Jon Beck literally anything you need you can find on his channel. hes the best. he even has videos about an uncommon bone deformity which i have and helped me. he trains athletes for a living
this may be the beast youtube video i have EVER seen. thank you for your time and your life’s work dedicated to improving people’s fitness and mobility.
Even before I learned this from you I knew somehow that those exercises were uncomfortable and felt wrong. I didn’t stay at a gym for long and now I’m glad about it.
This makes a lot of sense...I been doing most of those exercises my whole life, and I always wondered why my shoulders hurt. I wished I'd known this earlier!!!
Wow, what an eye-opener!! I am guilty as charged on most of those. And, not surprisingly, I do have back problems. Now my mantra is, if it doesn't feel good, don't do it! It would be great to have a "counter video" of healthy exercise alternatives to work the areas you covered in this video. Thanks for all the wonderful info. Love you guys!
Thanks for this video. I could have used it earlier in life when I was being taught to do everything that you just said NOT to do. One suggestion, if I may, a couple years ago I went to the gym to try to build up my back muscles. I had plenty of stenosis so I figured build the muscle spare the pain. My mistake was doing the back extension machine, That was the worst mistake I made. Had to have surgery. So now I follow your videos for BETTER ways to exercise.
OMG!! I wish I had seen this a month ago! I was working out with a personal trainer and he had me doing most of those exercises. Dead bugs, Russian twists, and twisting to lift a medicine ball from one side and dropping it on the other, then doing it on the other side (kind of like the windmills only with the medicine ball). Now I am recovering from severe back pain. My L5 shifted left and my S1 shifted right. I have been to my chiropractor 5 times in the last 2 weeks to get adjusted and it is finally getting better. Ugh! I thought I was doing something to improve my health, not make it worse!!!
Everyone thinks they're a personal trainer these days as you need little to no qualifications to class yourself as 1.. Be very careful on who you ask for advice and always do your research when someone gives you new information, don't just take their word for it!!
My trainer had me doing majority of these as well. Most of these exercises never felt comfortable when doing them anyway, plus I already have back issues and I’d leave feeling horrible after a workout. There was probably a reason why I felt uncomfortable doing these because they’re not meant to be doing lol
This channel is so good, you should set-up a patreon so people can donate. You're handing out golden information that even "experts" get wrong routinely, please keep doing what you're doing, the service you provide is completely invaluable to the public.
I am an exercise enthusiast as well as a clinical nursing instructor and water aerobics teacher and I am floored to recall that ALL of the land aerobics/pilates instructions at my community rec. center have participants doing these. Most of our clientele is elderly so that's particularly worrisome. Do you guys have any suggestions for elderly folks stretching out in the pool? I teach in deep water dive tanks mostly but some shallow as well. Love your videos from a personal and Professional perspective; learn a lot and you guys are both VERY likable.
Forty some years ago a trainer at my gym gave me the same advice on most of these excercises. On the quad extensions he recommended light weight of fifteen pounds or less and, perhaps more importantly, to lower the leg only about 15° from horizontal. That mainly turns this excercise into one that benefits the knees, and may be why I have healthy knees at age 70.
@@luisfelix7989 Nope, I didn't do any of those, so what you say may be a factor. But, I was a postal worker for thirty-five years. I watched a lot of co-workers limp out of here into retirement. So, maybe a little genetics, a little excercise, and a little luck.
I wish I had watched you guys before I turned 70 and herniated my disc! I used to do all,of the above for years at the gyms plus advance yoga which my body wasn’t ready for. I paid for it, but now healed and making sure I don’t go through that again!
@2:00, that's probably why after 20 + years of the military, that I have bulging discs, neuropathy , and arthritis in my lower back. I never do military style sit-ups any more ;-(
Thanks Bob and Brad this video was really enlightening as I just realized most of those were the ones I would do. I really needed this video to show me how to save my back and it all makes perfect sense after watching this. To think that in middle and high school PE coaches would actually make everyone do several of these. No wonder people have back pains when they are older. Thanks for the great information to open our eyes to this. Love the videos!
Thanks for sharing the correct exercises and the ones to avoid. I had spinal stimulator put in lower back due to chemo damage. Everytime I see my surgeon he has me bend down and touch my toes to see what percentage of movement I have. I tell him let me warm up some first. Always heard that was bad for back.
I think that's the first time I've ever actually clicked "subscribe" when someone told me to, lol. This is my 10 th video of yours in a row tonight. I hope you know you're helping me avoid chores. Sadly, my cats will still need their litter boxes scooped when I'm done watching this.
Excellent information about stressing the back and shoulders and knees. Would you consider a vid on poses to avoid in yoga? Most asanas are appropriate but some twists and limbs raises create questions for me. Thanks.
Chuck Kolb I think the difference between a yoga twist and the "windmill" they're talking about is that a good yoga twist should have proper alignment, where it's almost pure rotation. Boat pose too - if your core isn't strong enough to keep a neutral spine and good alignment, you should do the easier version
Same thing with dance. There are a lot of movements that you have to do with perfect alignment, and most people who aren’t dancers or who don’t do yoga don’t have nearly enough instruction on how to align and extend rather than compress when you do side stretch/ strengthening movement & positions. I spend about 1/4 of my beginning dance classes (for adults) on getting properly aligned in the movements, especially extensions.
SUMMARY: Windmills Full sit-ups Dips Horizontal bar lifts Loaded side bends Wide push-ups Behind-the-neck press ups Weighted quad extensions Weighted V sets Jumping on concrete Landing with knees bent in Walking/jogging/running on the same side of the street
I am a Master Trainer and I’m very impressed you nailed the big not to does! Well done. My other favorite bad is swinging heavy weights doing bicep curls with the chin jetting out. so then the elbows go back and the shoulder internally rotates and the biceps don’t get much…painful to watch, as well. I specialize in golf fitness that requires rotation in a flexed position? I work on posture, strength and stability in the lumbopelvic hip complex while mobilizing the T spine. Any other suggestions?
Thank you! I've done Russian Twists periodically, but will rethink that, now. What are your thougths on: 1) TRX standing side flexions (similar to the standing side bends)? and 2) Side crunches laying on the BOSU with feet staggered against wall, then small side crunch with no twist? Thanks!
Wow, so many of these I've been taught in fitness and Yoga trainings! Thanks for pointing these again and even though they may not hurt me, may be really bad for some people. Going to look for your alternative core strengtheners as so many of my students are weak in this area.
joggers need to ante up for those wide shoulders then. Roads are for vehicles not your fitness routine. Bikers are not pedestrians they are considered a vehicle, as such they have to follow the rules of the road just as a car. If a town wants to use taxpayer/ public funds on bike paths fine , but otherwise ..... With the traffic bicyclists! Against the traffic pedestrians.
I am happy to say that I had rotated almost all of these out of my gym routine, months ago. However, this did teach me to alter my position and style for push-ups, so I'll be making that change and pressing forward.
Share this with the young people you know who want to be in shape. I did all of those when I was in my 20’s (in the 90s) because that’s what the roid monsters in the muscle mags where doing. Foolish. Lower back was terribly by age 27, shoulders where toast by mid-30s. Surgery etc, it’s been a rough ride learning how to work our smart.
I think you can do everything when you are young , and then any exercise is better than doing nothing . But once you reach age 50 you have to be careful . If I would have watched this video earlier it would have saved me a lot of troubles. I am 63 now. I love your videos Bob and Brad, they are very helpful , feel good and entertaining .
Thank you gentlemen for teaching us this. I have done most of the exercises you mentioned and remember it not feeling right as I did them; now I know why.
ive been doing quad extensions with heavy weight for a while and 99% of the time it feels good, no pain and knees feel great later in the day and next day no soreness. my knees only feel bad sometimes after a very long bike ride or after jogging edit- and the 1% of the time it doesn't feel normal , i either stop or use lighter weight. but 99% of time it feels fantastic and really warms my knees up for squatting in an unmatched way. ive been doing this for more than 4 years with little break and my knees feel way better than they used to...
So I think yoga has ended up ruining my lower back after years of forward folds, toe touching, planks oh dear. Cross fit gone too. It’s walking on a flat surface for me from now on.
Au contraire-- good instruction emphasizes protecting the lower spine. Now an RYT, I found many yoga postures were great for strengthening the area to protect a slipped disk. When I teach spinal twists, I first explain the anatomy with illustrations and the move (need to engage and lift first) before we try it. Plank...?? Maybe a collapsed side plank?
I went back to the yoga studio last month after a year of only going a handful of times. I've been going 3x a week and have more aches and pains now, especially my lower back! It's so frustrating because I love it so much.
Thanks for this! It is such an important subject. I got constant lower back pain until someone pointed out that it came from walking uphill. I was taking my children uphill to school, there and back three times daily as I delivered them then fetched them at different return home times. I got my husband to let me have the car and the pain went! I’m still careful not to walk uphill on a regular basis. Small things can cripple you and these guys must have saved masses of people from pain!
That’ll you! This validates some of the feelings I’ve had towards a few of those exercises. They just hurt and I hate doing them so now I won’t ever do those ones again.
Military Press in front is a totally safe exercise for people with a healthy shoulder, if done correctly. There is a study (Powers et al., Patellofemoral joint stress during weight-bearing and non-weight-bearing quadriceps exercises) that claims leg extensions do not necessarily put more stress on the knee than squats (depending on the angle).
I’ve done most of those years back except for the behind the neck military press and lat pull downs! You’re exactly right, it’s not worth the pain in the back or knees. Thanks gentlemen!
Thanks, guys, for setting the record straight and apprising people of this. I think many or most of these exercises have been done by many or most of us since we were in grammar school. All the best to you guys.
Great video guys! I watch peeps doing these at the gym and just can’t believe my eyes! (Some times it’s trainers who don’t know and that’s dangerous... just as Bob said)! Knowledge is power! You can’t workout if you’re injured I remind my clients. Every trainer should have a PT as a bestie!
Show me one exercise in this video that is "dangerous" . Guess what ? there are none. Dangerous is crossing the road without looking, not body weight exercises. I can do these exercises in the video all day, and no pain. A lot of them are beneficial, like Upright rows and dips. They are only bad if done with such bad form, or in a way that might aggravate an existing injury.
I'm guessing from your picture that you're a young guy (under 40), so of course you can do anything. Sooner or later your joints will wear out and you'll understand the wisdom of playing it safe, as Bob and Brad recommend.You'll be able to lift for many more years if you follow their advice!
There are still a lot of people that recommend the bending over forward and touching to toes to strengthen the back. I used to do them a long time ago. They are terrible for your lower back. You're just asking for an L4/L5 disc bulge or herniation.
@@junior29557 what I read was straighten back, slightly bend knees, then bend over. Basically bend over at your hips rather than leading with your head if that makes sense. That’s what I was doing
@@marciab1279 A forward fold is not bad. In fact, it can be very good for your back by stretching tight hamstrings. You should bend at your hips and a little spinal flexion is not a bad thing. The problem is people end up forcing the bend putting a lot of pressure on the back. Those without flexibility should modify by bending their knees.
I appreciate these videos after being pregnant going through labor , extended breastfeeding and bending over picking up toys all day as a mom to a toddler. Any advice for moms of little kids? My mornings usually start like a 70 year olds, “ow my back!!” “Ow My hip!” And maybe a bloody nose from getting kicked or poked while sleeping 😂 please make a video for moms to young kids who want to be picked up, breastfeed and how to prevent damage to our backs! Thanks so much.
Brilliant video guys. You should add a few more to this list including "Seated toe touch" and "deep glute stretch" I pulled my back muscles from these 2.
I think a table of contents will be very helpful. All times and descriptions are approximate:
0:55: windmills / bend, twist, and touch toes with fingers
1:45: full sit-ups, supported sit-ups, sit-ups with weights on chests
2:55: V-sits, and V-sits with twists
3:30: tricep dips off the end of a bench
4:10: running on same side of an inclined road all the time
5:32: upright rows
6:35: standing chest rows with dumbbells
7:25: standing side bends with dumbbells
8:12: behind the neck press-ups and military press
9:24: wide based push ups
10:18: jumping exercises on concrete and landing position of knees
10:48: quad extension machines
11:51: twisting motion with weights for core
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Long ago my physical therapist drummed into me "You can bend, and you can twist, but NEVER bend and twist at the same time." So I changed how I moved when I was building things or doing heavy gardening. It was awkward at first to avoid bending and twisting at the same time, and to do some things in two steps instead of one, but that has saved me a lot of pain as I've aged - I can feel how keeping those two movements separate keeps my spine stable.
Thanks. Extremly important information!!
Thank you for the advice! I'm 17 and I will never bend and twist at the same time again. But I'm a dancer, so let's see how that goes.
🤣he says, "if you want to Hutt your back, this is what you should do."
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose, but don't pick your friend's nose.
@@donf4227 😅🤣
I've done ALL of these for years and now I'm paying for it. Listen to these guys!
I was going to say, I think many of us have! Over the years most of us were either taught these exercises either in school, sports, or the military.
Yep...I now know why I have chronic tendonitis and joint pain in my knees and elbows in my early thirties...
@@111Phoenix777 i have started working out at home about 20 days back and I'm doing triceps bench dips... I myself knew that something is wrong maybe I'm hurting my shoulder then i saw this video and it got confirmed... Can you suggest me few alternatives..!?
@@luxky.1832 I don't know if I know anymore about it than you. I'm still learning myself. I never liked doing tricep bench dips ever. They always hurt my shoulders, even when I was a young man. Last year with all the gyms being closed I broke down and bought a pull-up/dip station for home and was glad I did. And I've been using exercise bands with that to decrease the weight, since I can no longer lift my own body weight. With the few exercises I do these days, I avoid the extremely wide grips which I always started with and emphasized when I was a young man. Also I'm taking MSM and Glucosamin Chondroitin every day to save what's left of my joints. I would recommend either using a dip station, or two tables or chairs on either side of you, about shoulder width apart, so you can start with your hands directly under your shoulders or slightly in front of you, so you're avoiding the extreme angle rotation on your shoulders
One of the books that Zahabit recommended was Dr. Kelly Starrett's and Glen Cordoza's "Becoming a Supple Leopard" (2015). I bought the book a few months ago, but have yet had a chance to read it cover to cover. On pages 216 to 217 though, it talks about dips, and the importance of keeping your forearms vertical throughout the exercise. I'm not sure that I've been doing that, so I'm learning here too. Also, it recommends that you use a dip station that's high enough off the ground that you don't have to bend your legs during the exercise. I haven't been doing that either, but not sure what my alternatives are. All the gyms are still closed, and it's impractical for me where I live to buy a set of parallel bars. I think we're all just doing the best we can with what we have. I'm not in pain when I do my limited exercise routine, yet, so I'm lucky. But I guess I could use some work on my form.
I knew the gym teachers were trying to kill me back in my school days.
lol
No kidding! We used to do some of these in gym class back in the 1970's
@@kelleychilton2524 Girl do what you mean I did 11 of these last school year for school it's been over 50 years and they still don't know these are bad?
@@Hestaka Most PE teachers just don't care and stick to textbook exercise...
And kids are less likely to get hurt (and heal fast) from those exercises.
Now we know, why PE teachers can't give a proper example for those exercises 😒
@@kelleychilton2524 ah the good old days
Notes taken from the video:
1)Be aware of when your joints are working excessively in order to compensate for the motion unnatural for a human, and change the direction or amplitude of exercise to preserve them;
2)Do not twist and bend your spine simultaneously, work on different muscle groups along the spine, but keep it fixed in one way or another to not stress it too much;
3)Negative effects of irrational exercising take time to build up, and you will realize them when you have already done much more bad than good to your skeletal structure;
4)You always can find another exercise for the desired group of muscles if you understand that the previous ones did you wrong;
5)Bob & Brad are the most famous physical therapists on the net (in their opinion, of course)
all that for 9 likes
@@noggadock6150 It was 0 back when I started so I consider this a good investment
@@noggadock6150100 now :)
So pretty much all the exercises you do during school and in the military
Literally my entire military career in one video.
@@jodimcdonald4356 I know right New PRT
They force you to do all of these in gym class
Jodi McDonald I think this is why physical therapists should be teaching exercise rather than personal trainers.
Ash_OutcastsOfSuburbia when they shouldn’t be.
Please do a "15 Alternatives" video.
Marlelar Marlelar yes!!!
Totally! I thought they would
Absolutely. It's so annoying saying we have healthy alternatives but not giving them! Maybe it's a way of making us watch their 2000 videos trying to find them...
I agree would've been better to do less that were wrong & do alternatives. 🤣🤣👌
Better than alternatives, learn how to improve your body so you *can* do these things safely. There are thousands of good UA-cam videos showing good progressions. The body is made to move in all kinds of ways and if you pay attention not to force things, your body will adapt.
I always walked my dog along the same slope at the park. I ended up tilting my pelvis, and with bursitis in one hip. The physical therapist fixed me up like magic. But five years later, I developed arthritis in the injured hip and had to get a total hip replacement. Bob, you know what you are talking about. BTW, the surgery went perfectly, and I am doing great.
It probably throw your dogs body off too.
@@dianeyoung8068 facts
How's your dog 🐶?
You must have sit a lot im general
Bad blood and nerve supply
You dont need a hip replacememt from just that
@@backbone93 Please use correct English when giving out medical advice.
Finally!! My whole life I’ve had trouble with sit-ups; I can literally hear my lower back POP each time, but nobody ever believed me! They acted like I was being lazy & I was like no, it really hurts my back 😭
SAME!! even at a young age, and eventually i /did/ injure a disc trying to ignore those pops as "normal"like i was told
idk situps was never a thing in my place, was always crunches.
You have to disengage the lower back while doing them. But yeah there are better exercises
I am retired and I need exercises. After viewing many fitness/physiotherapists on UA-cam, I have decided to watch your videos only. Your explanations and honesty give you credability, and you are fun to watch.
I knew I wasn't crazy when my back hurt at age 16 doing sit-ups
Ikr I’m 14 with a lot of knee, ankle, WRIST, foot and upper back pain 😞. My wrists hurt so bad and are sore that I don’t want to pick up anything. Doing similar workouts and I have ran 5 miles two days in a row before. I have to be careful what I do and make sure I rest.
you should never come up that much .....it does not work your core. only slight upward motion then the tension goes away from your core
@@lowestoflows2 me too! I feel like I am too weak
No pain, no gain.
@@subs4794 that saying refers to the muscles, not the BONES
Can you guys create a workout video made up of safe exercises that work the entire body, pleaseeeeeee😁
I agree with that man!
same
@@padaleczwyczajny9185 they have done on one it’s old but gold
@@3zek0 do you have the link?
@@khakishark ua-cam.com/video/qWQsMOAa08c/v-deo.html
Don'ts or be cautious:
- Sit-ups
- Russian twists
- Tricep dips
- Running - don't run the same side of the road / same track direction
- upright rows
- bench press but standing upright!
- Loaded side bends
- (military) press behind the neck
- wide based (elbows out) press-up
- jumping exercises. Not on concrete. Be careful knees don't collapse inwards.
- quad extension weight machine
- v-sits / weighted Russian twists
Dips are great-just not bench dips-which force your shoulder to the end of the range of motion.
I would say the the critique is on the position of the hand/arm on the Tricep Dip.
Thanks
Thanks
Gary Thompson there’s only one way to run on a track
I was very heavy and started swimming, walking, running and exercising in the pool (to avoid back problems and joint wear)... I've lost more than 30 kilos from June until now in December!
Congratulations, keep it up!
watch?v=v_OuBz_L4sI
Yeah, props to you! I hate to say it, but the hard part is just starting (if you had that weight on for a long time.) I put on about 15 pounds after a Soccer injury 30 years ago, and it stayed on for quite a while. I have lost it a couple of times, but it always came back, until this last time. This time I lost it as you did- just by staying active for a long period of time (not really even thinking about the weight issue.). (Pickleball.) Now my weight is 2 pounds more than when I played College Soccer, and has been for almost a year. I think if you enjoy the exercise you're getting, you'll probably successfully keep it off, but it you're eating and /or exercising in an unpleasant way just to lose weight, probably not going to work long term.
Good job!
Just keep on adjusting the routines to your changing weight. Really fat people are basically a walking gym. If they could strip away the fat there'd be quite a set of muscles underneath, at least below the waist. But while you lose weight, you are basically working out with decreasing weight....
I stopped the forward bend and windmills and the lower back pain just stopped ! Thank you very much ! Please do keep sharing information like this. The "don't's" are actually so very important.
that intro.... i’ve stumbled upon gold
IKR! :-)
That has to go be bill wurtz
You two are VERY consistent! I have seen some of these warnings in your other videos, and the reasoning and warnings have been consistently the same. That makes me, as a researcher and analyst, very happy.
Consistency is key! Glad that we could make you happy :)
Don't forget heavy schoolbooks..on the hip or backpack back in the 60s. my back is a crash.
Back in 2016, my personal trainer had me doing most of these exercises, until I was in so much agony after a year, I had to quit. Thank you for explaining why that likely happened to me. I have been following a few of your videos for a while now, and they're very enlightening and helpful in my current workout.
Probably the most honest video on exercise on YT. I always felt something was off with these exercises, but i continued doing them as literally everyone is doing them too... Never again.
It's 2020, let's get that 15 alternatives and if it's already made, put it in the description of this video. You guys rock! Keep up the good work!
Yes pleeeease
I found it ua-cam.com/video/e8dyPfXk42M/v-deo.html
The alternatives video is at
ua-cam.com/video/e8dyPfXk42M/v-deo.html
or search for
Alternatives For 15 Common Exercises You Should NEVER DO! (By Popular Demand)
Why do i work out so hard in the gym for years just to break my back after a sneeze in my 50s?
Km Trn you’re 50?!?! You look like you’re in your 20s!
Oh nooo! I hope your doctor ordered a bone densitometry for you/ check for osteoporosis!
@Reaper5.56 Xx lol 9 months later and someone still replies
Reaper5.56 Xx good observation
😁
My whole life is a lie
right?! same here
Basically. YEAH mine too
take the blue pill. and wake up.
😆😅
Just go for long walks then ?
I hired a trainer at the gym and within a few months it messed up my back and knees and now I’m 37 and I go for chiropractor care for adjustments. Eventually all this bad exercises we do at the gym will take a toll on your body. I’m glad I came across this channel.
After 10 years of constant chiropractic treatments, I came to the conclusion that it’s quackery. I finally improved when I quit getting adjustments, changed jobs, and began exercising again.
@@MrTeff999 Yup. It's not medically sound.
@@9UaYXxB Wisdom is known of her children. What would you say of those people who got significant improvement after visiting a chiropractor? Modern is as scientific as it is political.
@@omusaatsawatuukha2513 What would you say to those people that have experienced paralysis or other medical emergencies after visiting a chiropractor? Remember it is not technically medical treatment or necessary, and therefore not worth the risk of death or grave injury. Popping your knuckles feels good until you develop severe arthritis.
@@Chunkable999 People who have suffered back pains for years will disagree with you on whether it is "technically medical treatment or necessary." There are people who have experienced medical emergencies after taking drugs recommended to them by doctors.
Hey guys! Greetings from Panama! I am an English Professor for an PT and Nursing university. The best from you is to help my students with your short videos for them to look for the background information of each of the topics you present everytime. Thank you! Because you are part of my class. The sky is the limit. Mr. Ortega
great!
I've been a member of the YMCA for over 20 years and have done every single one of those exercises. Now I know where my spinal stenosis came from. Thanks for sharing!!!!
You should make a "Required to watch before getting a gym membership" video!
I think every trainer at a gym should watch their videos, especially this one.
that video would be soooo long haha
I avoid gym memberships. I'm 67 years old. I cannot afford physically nor financially the "no pain, no gain" philosophy. That lands people in the Hospital and a lot of pain. I'll pass.
As we wait for that video, you might want to check out
"Weight training without injury: Over 350 step-by-step pictures including what not to do" book
thanks ! but I wish you guys showed an alternative
Jeff Cavalier gives alternative to some of these exercises
Randolf you may want to check their other videos, they have given alternatives in other videos
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My suggested videos right now shows one of their videos with the title "7 exercises you should do every day". That sounds like a good place to start!
6:00 ho half way?
All of us to survive the 1960s PE classes now have bad backs. Thank a lot, Coach Lyles.
Not wholly true sir. I survived 60's PE, have no military time and ABSOLUTELY have no back pain or problems whatsoever. I also did not do sports in school.
Guess I'm just lucky,.... though I personally, I call it "being blessed" ! Hope you can find a remedy of some sort for your back.
Thank you for your service !
Thanks, guys! I’m 59 and have always been active. I had rotator cuff surgery a couple of months ago, and am going thru PT now. Your videos are entertaining and helpful. God bless!
Hi, I'm a Physical Medicine & Rehab/Pain doc in LA and I love your videos (and your theme song!) . I wish there was more content on the internet like what you're creating: good, basic, universally entertaining physical and medical knowledge. I'd love to collaborate on a "15 Alternatives" video and have you guys fact check some of the exercises I prescribe to pretty much all of my patients. Also I would love any advice you have about starting a channel about function from a medical perspective. I hope you reach out to me, and keep up the great work!
I hope they saw this comment! Can I ask, did you end up making a video about the alternative exercises?
@@AJames-xs2xr if you need a theme song let me know
These 'don'ts' are right in line with Athlean-X's channel. He preaches the same exercises are bad to do. I stopped doing all of these exercises, and my shoulders, back, and knees haven't been stronger.
Bumble Bee what do you do to strengthen shoulders? I guess I'm gonna stop doing military presses.
Tyler T I've seen Athlean-X recommended dumbbell shoulder presses with your arms around 30-40 degrees in front of the body
those are traps...try "bat wings" exercises or anything to strengthen the trap muscles. they are essential for me I have scoliosis and really help
thanks for the tip, checked it out and really like the channel!!
The only thing they would probably disagree on is Russian twists. I've seen Jeff do those in a V-sit position, and his rotation core movements often include spine flexion. A few years ago Jeff did say spine flexion combined with rotation caused hernia, but he still does that in his videos. I don't know about Jeff's experience with patients/athletes with herniated lower back (and that seems to be one area he hasn't had an injury), but that seems to be the weak spot of his channel. Even on the video about sciatica he went on to talk about fake sciatica and offered solution for that, though his recommendation of daily spine decompression is in line with the hernia treatment shown in this channel. Still, most of Jeff's 1 million ab exercises are really problematic for people with herniated disks, but he would just tell you to strengthen your hips instead of coming up with lower back friendly movements as he does with knees, shoulders, wrists and elbows. Even for flat feet he has incredible exercise tweaks, but not much on lower back problems.
This is AMAZING! Thank you guys for being such a forefront for the Physical Therapist profession and taking this to the most used social media platform. We KNOW what we are talking about! Trust me, we didn’t go through 19 years of schooling to provide inaccurate information. These guys are extremely brilliant, and they are doing this to benefit everyone else. They care! So please keep creating videos, because you’re inspirational, motivating, and amazing advocates. Thank you!
A lot of these claims have actually been dunked by further research..movements aren't bad. It's improper loading that generally gets people hurt
It is so surprising that most physical therapist agree with all your recommendations. Yet if you go to any gym one sees these exercises being done often with a personal trainer! Too bad your videos can’t be played on a constant loop on TVs at all gyms. You guys are great. Simple but comprehensive instructions!
Most personal trainers are just enthusiastic about training.
Edit: they don't have any formal education on exercise safety; they just LOVE the field.
That's because physical therapy and weight training are wildly different. Done with proper form, most of the exercises mentioned are safe...
@@wilfreddv are you sure I have read plenty of comments and all of them says they got problems ... Later everyone blames the form ... Nobody actually is considerate about the problem someone is going through
im 23 and so glad i stumbled upon this at my age. luckily a lot of the exercises to never do are ones i hate anyway because they hurt--bob and brad are on point! there are too many people my parents' age with bad backs because they did stuff like this :(
Well looks like I have been doing things wrong, thanks for putting me right. I have chronic back pain so will look for better exercises to do to help me with pain and improve what I have. Thanks so much 👋
I've had lower back problems since I was a teenager. Thanks so much for bringing this to my attention. You two are a wealth of knowledge.
I suffer so much from lower back pain, you guys have really helped more than the couple dozens of doctors, physical therapists, etc ive been seeing.
Thanks for the support. How can i get an appointment.
I live a fairly active life and out of all my friends, I'm the only one who still goes to the gym 3 times a week. Being going since I was 18. I am 40 now. I don't use heavy weights. My lower back starts deteriorating over the years and it always hurt more the next day after gym. Now I know why!
Spent a lot of money on sports therapy massage and even laser treatment with only temporary relieve. Watched a few of your videos to diagnose my issue (S.I). Tried your 4 stretches and instantly relieve! I can seat down for more than half hour without pain. However, I'm still very stiff in the morning. Hopefully I'll find an answer in one of these videos.
Big thanks guys. Love your videos.
UA-cam says 1 year ago... Kor, how have you been doing? Having neck and lower back pain myself (when sitting down) and wondering if you've had any big improvement...:)
Chop Carry how is ur back now? Updates?
I have been working out with a trainer and my neck and back are hurting and we did the sit-ups and the behind the head with weights and until I saw your video I didn’t realize that is what is causing my pain. Thank you for this
Great learning from you guys. Just turned 80 and I got to keep the blood flowing. You're doing a good job of teaching and motivating me.
I am a male massage therapist and went to school for this profession for 5 years and because of this I developed a lot of common seance around exercising and stretching. I watch your videos just to verify that what i am doing is correct. i have not had back pain for the last 20 years because I stretch psoas , periformis and hamstring muscles
a male massage therapist? like a massage therapist for men or a massage therapist who is a man?
Many times in classes I would sit out certain exercises or modify them & be viewed as uncooperative. Thank you for sharing this info - I hope more teachers see it and I hope everyone always does what's right for them vs. what's expected of them in a class! There are good and bad teachers out there. Find the good ones!
Mind blown
50% of my Gym routine obliterated in one vid 😳
😂😂😂
Thank you, because I hated the last exercise the most. Cowbell sit twist things. Not doing them any more
Then why do you even bother going to a gym?
Barry Wainwright exactly my thoughts. None of that really has much to do with the gym. Most moderate workout moms have more equipment then they mentioned in this video. Dude full of it or he’s been throwing money out the window.
@@ferngully3481 why judge the person. they may have a gym buddy or are more consistent when going to a physical gym. why judge what they do at a gym. they also said only 50%. the other 50% is likely them using equipment that the gym provides.
Georga Seebalack Ikr they are being dumb
Absolutely
I did those v-sits and Russian twists in my 20-ies and ended up with pinched sciatica nerve and now in my 40 's if I am not extremely careful It comes back. So true!
I would love if they made reaction videos to other UA-camrs’ or fitness studio’s videos! Their thoughts on the exercises, advice, alternatives, etc!
I think the important thing is to listen carefully to your body when doing an exercise. Limit the range or lower the weight, or abstain altogether if a certain exercise stresses a joint or muscle. Many, many people have been able to do sit-ups, standing press, etc. without issue. But a lot of this info is certainly good to keep in mind.
Most importantly, focus on your form more than the numbers of weight or reps that you do. At least at first. A good exercise with bad form is no better than a bad exercise with good form
Could you please make a follow up video with the exercises that you DO recommend instead?
Erosenkohl athlean x is your answer
@Jon Beck UA-cam channel
@Jon Beck he's targeting athletes and people who want to build functional strength. Also check out some of his older videos, there aren't as many gimmicks but still full of great information. You dont need to look any farther than his professional athlete clients or absolutely shredded physique to see he knows what he is talking about. In addition, just because he promotes strength training doesnt mean you'll turn into a mass monster if you follow his workout regime.
Jon Beck literally anything you need you can find on his channel. hes the best. he even has videos about an uncommon bone deformity which i have and helped me. he trains athletes for a living
@@shravanpoloju8311 He recommends the tricep dips these guys say are bad...
this may be the beast youtube video i have EVER seen. thank you for your time and your life’s work dedicated to improving people’s fitness and mobility.
if these guys lived in ancient rome i suspect they’d have such an impact on history we’d all be learning about them to this day.
" make sure you liked our post, because Brad and I as children we are not liked, it's sad and we are trying to turn things around" 😂😂😂
This video is a must for everyone working out. I only wish that this was out 25 years ago! Great job guys.
Even before I learned this from you I knew somehow that those exercises were uncomfortable and felt wrong. I didn’t stay at a gym for long and now I’m glad about it.
No wonder my back always hurts!! Years of doing the wrong thing. Thank you.
This makes a lot of sense...I been doing most of those exercises my whole life, and I always wondered why my shoulders hurt. I wished I'd known this earlier!!!
Wow, what an eye-opener!! I am guilty as charged on most of those. And, not surprisingly, I do have back problems. Now my mantra is, if it doesn't feel good, don't do it! It would be great to have a "counter video" of healthy exercise alternatives to work the areas you covered in this video. Thanks for all the wonderful info. Love you guys!
Thanks for this video. I could have used it earlier in life when I was being taught to do everything that you just said NOT to do. One suggestion, if I may, a couple years ago I went to the gym to try to build up my back muscles. I had plenty of stenosis so I figured build the muscle spare the pain. My mistake was doing the back extension machine, That was the worst mistake I made. Had to have surgery. So now I follow your videos for BETTER ways to exercise.
would love to see a program where you say 'don't do this' but do do this. SAme time, so we don't have to look back and forth for alternatives.
This.
OMG!! I wish I had seen this a month ago! I was working out with a personal trainer and he had me doing most of those exercises. Dead bugs, Russian twists, and twisting to lift a medicine ball from one side and dropping it on the other, then doing it on the other side (kind of like the windmills only with the medicine ball). Now I am recovering from severe back pain. My L5 shifted left and my S1 shifted right. I have been to my chiropractor 5 times in the last 2 weeks to get adjusted and it is finally getting better. Ugh! I thought I was doing something to improve my health, not make it worse!!!
Everyone thinks they're a personal trainer these days as you need little to no qualifications to class yourself as 1.. Be very careful on who you ask for advice and always do your research when someone gives you new information, don't just take their word for it!!
If I were you I'd go back and tell him so he doesn't hurt other people!
My trainer had me doing majority of these as well. Most of these exercises never felt comfortable when doing them anyway, plus I already have back issues and I’d leave feeling horrible after a workout. There was probably a reason why I felt uncomfortable doing these because they’re not meant to be doing lol
You should go see a physical therapist so they can tell you what exercises you should do to keep your back healthy and to prevent from getting hurt.
me too! couldn't exercise anything for over two weeks after that
This channel is so good, you should set-up a patreon so people can donate. You're handing out golden information that even "experts" get wrong routinely, please keep doing what you're doing, the service you provide is completely invaluable to the public.
This is eye opening!! No wonder I’ve had so many injuries as I’ve gotten older! I did all of these for years!
I am an exercise enthusiast as well as a clinical nursing instructor and water aerobics teacher and I am floored to recall that ALL of the land aerobics/pilates instructions at my community rec. center have participants doing these. Most of our clientele is elderly so that's particularly worrisome. Do you guys have any suggestions for elderly folks stretching out in the pool? I teach in deep water dive tanks mostly but some shallow as well. Love your videos from a personal and Professional perspective; learn a lot and you guys are both VERY likable.
I was not doing any of them anyway. I'm gonna live forever
Forty some years ago a trainer at my gym gave me the same advice on most of these excercises. On the quad extensions he recommended light weight of fifteen pounds or less and, perhaps more importantly, to lower the leg only about 15° from horizontal. That mainly turns this excercise into one that benefits the knees, and may be why I have healthy knees at age 70.
Yes exactly this and to do Time under Tension when coming down from extension light weight. Count to 4.
Mmmhhh,,, your healthy knees could be because of your genetics, you didn't ride wild horses, work on a ranch, or raced motocross??
@@luisfelix7989 Nope, I didn't do any of those, so what you say may be a factor. But, I was a postal worker for thirty-five years. I watched a lot of co-workers limp out of here into retirement. So, maybe a little genetics, a little excercise, and a little luck.
I feel like most personal trainers will tell you to do these workouts.
I wish I had watched you guys before I turned 70 and herniated my disc! I used to do all,of the above for years at the gyms plus advance yoga which my body wasn’t ready for. I paid for it, but now healed and making sure I don’t go through that again!
@2:00, that's probably why after 20 + years of the military, that I have bulging discs, neuropathy , and arthritis in my lower back. I never do military style sit-ups any more ;-(
I feel you buddy I used to train abs 2-3 times a day for 7 years when I used to box and now my back is FUCKED!!
Lol not according to the VA, apparently damaged shoulders, knees and ankles are not service related.
Edgar Valdez
So sorry, Edgar. That's terrible. What did you do for the military?
God Bless you for your service. 🇺🇸
I feel like an alternate title for this video could be “PT Leader’s favorite exercises”
Yeah but they never have you doing back extensions right?
Thanks every PE class, Marine Corps PT, and college gym.
Thanks Bob and Brad this video was really enlightening as I just realized most of those were the ones I would do. I really needed this video to show me how to save my back and it all makes perfect sense after watching this. To think that in middle and high school PE coaches would actually make everyone do several of these. No wonder people have back pains when they are older. Thanks for the great information to open our eyes to this. Love the videos!
thanks guys 40 and was working out a excercise plan, i keep it simple squat/bridges/leg raises/push ups and pull ups.
Thanks for sharing the correct exercises and the ones to avoid. I had spinal stimulator put in lower back due to chemo damage. Everytime I see my surgeon he has me bend down and touch my toes to see what percentage of movement I have. I tell him let me warm up some first. Always heard that was bad for back.
I think that's the first time I've ever actually clicked "subscribe" when someone told me to, lol. This is my 10 th video of yours in a row tonight. I hope you know you're helping me avoid chores. Sadly, my cats will still need their litter boxes scooped when I'm done watching this.
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Excellent information about stressing the back and shoulders and knees. Would you consider a vid on poses to avoid in yoga? Most asanas are appropriate but some twists and limbs raises create questions for me. Thanks.
Chuck Kolb I think the difference between a yoga twist and the "windmill" they're talking about is that a good yoga twist should have proper alignment, where it's almost pure rotation. Boat pose too - if your core isn't strong enough to keep a neutral spine and good alignment, you should do the easier version
@@hailhummus yes! They even said boat is bad for your back in another video, but if you are able to keep proper alignment it doesn't have to be risky
Yes!!!! And some of the inversions are horrible for your neck.
Same thing with dance. There are a lot of movements that you have to do with perfect alignment, and most people who aren’t dancers or who don’t do yoga don’t have nearly enough instruction on how to align and extend rather than compress when you do side stretch/ strengthening movement & positions. I spend about 1/4 of my beginning dance classes (for adults) on getting properly aligned in the movements, especially extensions.
Right!Headstands wrecked my neck.
SUMMARY:
Windmills
Full sit-ups
Dips
Horizontal bar lifts
Loaded side bends
Wide push-ups
Behind-the-neck press ups
Weighted quad extensions
Weighted V sets
Jumping on concrete
Landing with knees bent in
Walking/jogging/running on the same side of the street
I am a Master Trainer and I’m very impressed you nailed the big not to does! Well done. My other favorite bad is swinging heavy weights doing bicep curls with the chin jetting out. so then the elbows go back and the shoulder internally rotates and the biceps don’t get much…painful to watch, as well. I specialize in golf fitness that requires rotation in a flexed position? I work on posture, strength and stability in the lumbopelvic hip complex while mobilizing the T spine. Any other suggestions?
Thank you! I've done Russian Twists periodically, but will rethink that, now. What are your thougths on: 1) TRX standing side flexions (similar to the standing side bends)? and 2) Side crunches laying on the BOSU with feet staggered against wall, then small side crunch with no twist? Thanks!
Wow, so many of these I've been taught in fitness and Yoga trainings! Thanks for pointing these again and even though they may not hurt me, may be really bad for some people. Going to look for your alternative core strengtheners as so many of my students are weak in this area.
4:50 - A darn good reason all towns need wide walking/biking lanes, created for that purpose, with this in mind.
I agree.
Definitely, never take away walking from citizens.
joggers need to ante up for those wide shoulders then. Roads are for vehicles not your fitness routine. Bikers are not pedestrians they are considered a vehicle, as such they have to follow the rules of the road just as a car. If a town wants to use taxpayer/ public funds on bike paths fine , but otherwise ..... With the traffic bicyclists! Against the traffic pedestrians.
I understand now why 12 of the 15 exercises have caused more harm than good on my body. Great video and commentary.
I am happy to say that I had rotated almost all of these out of my gym routine, months ago. However, this did teach me to alter my position and style for push-ups, so I'll be making that change and pressing forward.
Share this with the young people you know who want to be in shape. I did all of those when I was in my 20’s (in the 90s) because that’s what the roid monsters in the muscle mags where doing. Foolish. Lower back was terribly by age 27, shoulders where toast by mid-30s. Surgery etc, it’s been a rough ride learning how to work our smart.
I think you can do everything when you are young , and then any exercise is better than doing nothing . But once you reach age 50 you have to be careful . If I would have watched this video earlier it would have saved me a lot of troubles. I am 63 now. I love your videos Bob and Brad, they are very helpful , feel good and entertaining .
I’ve been on an exercise program for 6 weeks and unfortunately have been doing so many of these! 😬 So happy I found your channel!
Pretty good. I happen to like normal military press but I your explanation is sound. Completely agree on leg extensions and upright rows.
Thank you gentlemen for teaching us this.
I have done most of the exercises you mentioned and remember it not feeling right as I did them; now I know why.
ive been doing quad extensions with heavy weight for a while and 99% of the time it feels good, no pain and knees feel great later in the day and next day no soreness. my knees only feel bad sometimes after a very long bike ride or after jogging
edit- and the 1% of the time it doesn't feel normal , i either stop or use lighter weight. but 99% of time it feels fantastic and really warms my knees up for squatting in an unmatched way. ive been doing this for more than 4 years with little break and my knees feel way better than they used to...
Why
So I think yoga has ended up ruining my lower back after years of forward folds, toe touching, planks oh dear. Cross fit gone too. It’s walking on a flat surface for me from now on.
Au contraire-- good instruction emphasizes protecting the lower spine. Now an RYT, I found many yoga postures were great for strengthening the area to protect a slipped disk. When I teach spinal twists, I first explain the anatomy with illustrations and the move (need to engage and lift first) before we try it. Plank...?? Maybe a collapsed side plank?
I went back to the yoga studio last month after a year of only going a handful of times. I've been going 3x a week and have more aches and pains now, especially my lower back! It's so frustrating because I love it so much.
Most of these exercises were in the army's pft program! No wonder why I have a bulging disc!
Zechariah Pena You should go see a physical therapist. Take advantage of your insurance!!!
@@bremenfan29 take advantage of the disability too
I trust your guys more than those "fitness gurus" on other UA-cam channels !
As a physiotherapist who received my bachelors and 1 year training in this century: this is bullshit! These guys are so outdated.
I agree with adi here, don't trust these guys. They are just spreading baloney
+ Jorgen how so? or are you just trolling
Crazy I read your comment at the same time I heard these guys in the video say this
adijump they received their PhD on physiotherapy... so I find your statement confusing.
Thanks for this! It is such an important subject. I got constant lower back pain until someone pointed out that it came from walking uphill. I was taking my children uphill to school, there and back three times daily as I delivered them then fetched them at different return home times. I got my husband to let me have the car and the pain went! I’m still careful not to walk uphill on a regular basis. Small things can cripple you and these guys must have saved masses of people from pain!
That’ll you! This validates some of the feelings I’ve had towards a few of those exercises. They just hurt and I hate doing them so now I won’t ever do those ones again.
so basically everyone over 40 needs to re learn how to work out correctly
discolissa666 you can say that again!
Basically... Yeah because you don't want to keep that up till you're 65.
damage is already done during younger age by doing bad excercises, its just that after 40 body starts to show the damage done
Everyone needs to! I'm 22 and I was taught all these exercises
Yes please help us understand right way to work out without hurting ur joints.
“Brad, which way does gravity go?” 🤔
Military Press in front is a totally safe exercise for people with a healthy shoulder, if done correctly.
There is a study (Powers et al., Patellofemoral joint stress during weight-bearing and non-weight-bearing quadriceps exercises) that claims leg extensions do not necessarily put more stress on the knee than squats (depending on the angle).
Do you have a link to this study?
@@Darkdude38 pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24673446/
(The study only tested 10 healthy people, which is not much.)
@@Darkdude38just trust him bro
@@sebastiandaoust7836 lol, yeahh i could, but i would like to see his source, which he indeed sent to me
@@Flovus thank you
I’ve done most of those years back except for the behind the neck military press and lat pull downs! You’re exactly right, it’s not worth the pain in the back or knees. Thanks gentlemen!
Thanks, guys, for setting the record straight and apprising people of this. I think many or most of these exercises have been done by many or most of us since we were in grammar school. All the best to you guys.
Great video guys! I watch peeps doing these at the gym and just can’t believe my eyes! (Some times it’s trainers who don’t know and that’s dangerous... just as Bob said)! Knowledge is power! You can’t workout if you’re injured I remind my clients. Every trainer should have a PT as a bestie!
Show me one exercise in this video that is "dangerous" . Guess what ? there are none. Dangerous is crossing the road without looking, not body weight exercises. I can do these exercises in the video all day, and no pain. A lot of them are beneficial, like Upright rows and dips. They are only bad if done with such bad form, or in a way that might aggravate an existing injury.
I'm guessing from your picture that you're a young guy (under 40), so of course you can do anything. Sooner or later your joints will wear out and you'll understand the wisdom of playing it safe, as Bob and Brad recommend.You'll be able to lift for many more years if you follow their advice!
I do ALL of them and my back is always hurting. Now I think I know why
I do some but my back pains are gone, maybe I do it a more moderate way?
There are still a lot of people that recommend the bending over forward and touching to toes to strengthen the back. I used to do them a long time ago. They are terrible for your lower back. You're just asking for an L4/L5 disc bulge or herniation.
And I do a lot of those in yoga
I think this happenend to me, any thought on how to fix?
They said don’t bend and twist …. But is bending alone bad?
@@junior29557 what I read was straighten back, slightly bend knees, then bend over. Basically bend over at your hips rather than leading with your head if that makes sense. That’s what I was doing
@@marciab1279 A forward fold is not bad. In fact, it can be very good for your back by stretching tight hamstrings. You should bend at your hips and a little spinal flexion is not a bad thing. The problem is people end up forcing the bend putting a lot of pressure on the back. Those without flexibility should modify by bending their knees.
I appreciate these videos after being pregnant going through labor
, extended breastfeeding and bending over picking up toys all day as a mom to a toddler. Any advice for moms of little kids? My mornings usually start like a 70 year olds, “ow my back!!” “Ow My hip!” And maybe a bloody nose from getting kicked or poked while sleeping 😂 please make a video for moms to young kids who want to be picked up, breastfeed and how to prevent damage to our backs! Thanks so much.
Brilliant video guys. You should add a few more to this list including "Seated toe touch" and "deep glute stretch" I pulled my back muscles from these 2.