Star Wars: The Last Jedi Comic Adaptation, Part 1 - Atop the Fourth Wall
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Welcome to Atop the Fourth Wall, where bad comics burn. In this episode, Linkara looks at the comic adaptation of Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi!
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Originally released December 23rd, 2019.
ORIGINAL DESCRIPTION: Also known as "General Hux's no good, very bad day."
#StarWars #LastJedi
Linkara: "I like The Last Jedi."
Haters on the internet: "I want every gun we have to fire on that man."
Ha Good luck with that he has a magic gun!
And a space ship
Well, at least you got fans and haters of TLJ to agree on one thing: Avengers #200 is not, by any stretch of the imagination, better than TLJ.
Amen
Yeah even with linkaras defense for the movie I still hate the last Jedi with a fiery passion. THAT SAID, it has nothing on avengers #200 in terms of god awfulness.
@@gundamfan7541 I will stick take the Last Jedi any day of the week over The Rise of Skywalker. That to me might be my least favorite film in the entire franchise. As the last thing I wanted TROS to be was nothing but a massive retcon of TLJ. But they did exactly that. The only element from TLJ that they decided to keep in was that Rey and Kylo have a strong connection to each other. Other then that they were like. Ohh fans dislike Rose well lets have her be in the film for like 1min and have her not do anything be completely pointless to the plot and not give her any sort of development or arc. Compared to IDK writing her to be a better character that fans might come around to liking. But why do that as that takes energy and writing skills. Instead lets just treat her like she was never a major side character. People had a problem with Holdo doing what she did well lets explain that as being a move that has a 1 and a million chance of working. Fans were upset that their fan theories for who Rey's parents are and who Snoke is. Will lets correct both of them by having Rey be a Palpatine and for Snoke to just be a puppet he was controlling.
And then all of the other shit that was just bad. The final battle with all the ships was flat as hell. The battle between Rey and Palpatine sucked with him just shooting force lightning and her blocking it. The fake out death of Chewbaka was just terrible and had zero setup was just ohh he was on another ship that we never saw or knew about. The Force heeling that Rey magically learned despite it being something we had never seen until Baby Yoda so how the fuck did she even learn it as nobody could teach her it. The Knight of Ren being such a massive let down they do nothing in the film until they corner Kylo and then are so easily taken care of by him alone. Them thinking that putting a planet killing weapon on a hundred ships would actually a cool and good idea compared to it really just being stupid. Seems like they were just like what would be more scarier then the Death Star or Star Killer base how about 100 ships that have the power of the Death Star. C3P0 sacrifice being undone as quickly as they could. And then possible the worst thing was at the very end where the old women want's to know Rey's last name and she decides ohh I'm a Skywalker now. Despite the entire film being about that is doesn't matter who your family is. Yet instead of owning who her family was and saying she's a Palpatine and trying to change the image of that family. She decides she will become a Skywalker and not only a Skywalker but the last living one.
@@wisewolftony Rise of Skywalker actually contradicts in many ways the force awakens too, like with Hux. I'm hesitant to spoil but well... Anyone who has seen the film might agree that it's a baffling what happens considering his character in the first film which was explicitly a space nazi (well... more explicit then the franchise usually is about that ofc). Frankly. I agree with people saying Rise of Skywalker was this way because they kinda hoped to please *everyone*, aaaaaand ended up pleasing no one. Typical case of franchises going in a controversial ways but then studios are all like "well fans are unhappy, let's do what the loudest ask!" (note I used the loudest, not the majority. Cauze let's face it, regardless of how you feel about any of theses films, a lot of the loudest people are not always the smartest.... Namely some of them are quite bigots.)
If you wanna, it's a similar situation then Suicide Squad. It's sad, really. But something you have to expect from major productions. Oh, sure, creators can always manage to do something with franchise and big productions, we've seen this with Villeneuve and Blade Runner 2049, James Gunn with the two Guardians of the Galaxy or all Del Torro's films with Hollywood (except for Mimic, which, thanks to the Weinstein brothers, was a big production mess) (again, regardless of how you feel about theses movies, you can't deny they are very personal for their creator.) And you know, even TFA and TLJ have personal thematics that you can see in their director's filmography. JJ Abrams likes to show people stuck in the past, which can be both shown as something comforting that makes them dream or something negative that holds them back or bring out dangerous ideologies. And while much more comedic then last jedi, Knives Out is a nice satire of the different faces rich people can take (and how, when the chips are down, pole will be egotistical when they feel they're about to lose their privileges.) Ofc there's probably more aspects you could bring out, but you get the point.
However.... let's face it. It's still big corporations behind wanting to be rentable, and that entrails all sorts of decisions. Heck, wanna know why Disney are, despite what medias and marketing say, so incredibly shy and lazy when integrating gay characters in their film (and this despite other productions having much, MUCH more interesting lgbt themes and characters, including children's shows?) Because censorship. I mean you can't just loose the Chinese and Russian market, you know? So let's just sneak it in so it can be easily removed and pretend we did something (while on the other hand refusing to show a Tibetan in our Marvel film cauze, again, Chinese market!)
Again, I can't stress enough, good creators can always make what the studio wants *and* create good art, just that you can never really separate a work from the condition it was created it, because it will inevitably affects the result. And this is not also an attacks to all the creators working within the system.
I mean, is _anyone_ surprised?
Linkara: “I loved The Last Jedi.”
Me: *Zipping up hazmat suit to enter the comments.*
Hyper Lord Gaming me: *viewing comments from my secret, base at the bottom of the ocean coated in metre thick titanium with a century's worth of supplies.* Maybe I should wear my armour.
@@samuelbarber4154 Titanium? You sure you don't want Beskar?
Aspiring Creator no, people can be toxic
@Darth_ Madara
Don't forget your shield!
(Ignites a double-bladed lightsaber) This is where the fun begins.
Linkara: "I like the Last Jedi."
Half of the Internet: Destroy him! Assemble the armies! Ready the A-Bombs!
Me - neutral on the matter: "hey Linkara, if you need a bunker, I have one under my house. It should shield you while you do this review"
Linkara: "that's okay, I have a space ship"
Linkara: "Maclunkey!"
Me- actually likes it too: I should hide.
Daleks: „Exterminate him!!“ 😄
You forgot "He's an SJW!! Burn him!!" X)
"Hi! I'm a snarky idiot who spends all of his time complaining about a medium that he supposedly loves!"
So, you're every person on the internet rolled into one, then?
"is this what it feels like to be a fan of the prequels" YES THIS IS WHAT IT FELT LIKE.
Least those films had a consistent narrative.
Doesn’t make them any good though.
@@truenightmare6665 at least none of them were the rise of skywalker.
@@angrybrony Rise of Skywalker > Any of the prequels
@@DeathofInk No they didn’t.
What the hell with that person who thought Avengers 200 is better than The Last Jedi? Just watching the story from your review of that comic made feel so disgusted and filthy I literally took a shower as soon as I was done watching it to feel clean again.
Weirdly enough, avengers 200 appeared as a recommended watch right before I started watching this review.
All these “better than the Last Jedi” comments make me yearn for the simpler days of “still a better love story than Twilight” comments.
Although amusingly, the Avengers 200 review DOES have a comment that it is indeed a worse love story than Twilight. It’s a very sad day when freaking Twilight can one up itself over Star Wars.
@@myriadmediamusings One thing we all agree on even the worst star wars is still better then Twilight. That includes the Holiday Special.
@@myriadmediamusings I haven been deliberately avoiding all discussion on The Last Jedi, but it's funny you should say that because I was just thinking that that sounds reminiscent of all those "Better Love story than Twilight" jokes. Which incidentally also got rather stupid.
It's just a dumb meme, honestly. Because a bunch of Russian trolls memed the crap out of the movie for whatever stupid reason and got something going or whatever, so now it's just this weird situation where most reasonable critically-minded people would agree the film has some good ideas to it along with some dumb moments, but it still has the same kind-of hate bandwagon meme reputation as Sonic 06 or Twilight does as just something to invoke that people recognize as bad that you can freely make jokes of.
The really stupid thing is that, even now, there are probably still 100% going to be people who are just like "Sure, one comic was basically about loving your alien rapist baby, but BETTER THAN THE LAST JEDI, AMI RITE?????"
Welcome to the internet, where nuanced takes go to die.
According to IMDB the Porgs only exist because Puffins are a protected species so they couldn't be moved out the location shots and it was cheaper to digitally alter them than digitally remove them.
Creative and conservative solution
Yeah I personally don’t mind the porgs. Although gripes me about people who bemoan them for being merchandise bait?….did we fucking forget the Ewoks and how George Lucas was REALLY trying to make fetch happen with them?!
@@SiRenfield That said I've seen some amazing things done with Ewoks that George Lucas would definately not approve of in fan media. Including a flesh eating Ewok Sith.
@@DarthAzabrush Eh yeah I personally don’t mind the Ewoks either, I was just trying to point out how it’s lowkey balant hypocrisy from people. Especially since there’s certainly merchandise of the Porgs but nearly to the same extent as Ewoks in the 80’s
Hm, the more you know.
*Takes cover behind a magic forcefield with an army of robots and a vault of weapons*
Me: You may begin the review.
*knocks on the force field*
Can i come in? I dont want to get killed by toxic people.
@@Kazzy234 Me too!
I don't need a membership card do I?
*sees comments involving TLJ opinions* I better say something to stay out of the crosshairs........
BABY YODA IS ADORABLE!!!!!!!!!
Yes! More positivity. More positivity! Uh... Harmy''s Despecialized Edition of Episodes 4, 5, and 6 are a godsend!
Nice Save
@@bretsheeley4034 Mark Hamill is a talented actor who became the go to Joker voice.
@@billygreci9739 he is also a super wholesome guy who has been consistently cool to his fans for over 40 years.
@@AndrewChalk88 Agreed.
Personally I love The Last Jedi despite it's pacing problems. I wish they had worked in Canto Bight better than they had because it carries strong parallels to Luke's sentiment of "It has to end", though instead it's about the endless wars and correct, where Luke has to realize that the Jedi have to start anew, bereft of the problems the old Jedi order had.
Also the people responsible for the harassment campaign against Kelly Mary Tran can go die in a Sarlac Pit.
18:43 oh and the minor fact of Carrie Fisher having died before the movie came out and it being very awkward to see her supposedly die and then see her do that.
Jokes on you Linkara: I already love this movie! It's my favorite of the sequel trilogy! :D
Cody Hines same!
Listen no one can take your feelings away from you.
We can however argue about all of the objective qualities that we hate about it.
It also has the best Yoda line ever "Read them have you? Page turners they are not!"
Honestly I rationalized Leia flying back to the ship as a pure instinct thing. When in desperate need to save her life, she used the force on pure instinct
While I truly did not like the Last Jedi, I shall hold the words of a brilliant spider close to heart. "All men are endowed, by their creator, with certain unalienable rights: that among these are life, liberty, and the ability to like The Last Jedi." - Spider John Adams.
A fellow person of culture I see.
Slice and dice, brother.
I look forward to Spider John Adams being in the next Spiderverse movie.
Okay I hate the last Jedi but its nowhere near as bad as avengers 200, that alone is disgusting to just remember.
I can't believe someone actually said that!
I absolutely despise the sequel trilogy, but even then I would take these movies over Avengers 200 any day of the week.
It’s not even the worst Star Wars movies. Attack of the clones always puts me to sleep.
@@brandonlyon730 sadly yeah, and it especially sucks cause we got so much stuff to it that'd be great, the start of the clone wars, the introduction to count dooku, who I think some people underrate, the debut of the clone troopers, jango fett, and more.....and it was sadly a dull movie. I watched it on dvd a bunch of times as a kid but now its kind of hard to sit through with my attention completely on it.
Seriously, I think every Star Wars fan should be able to agree that even the Ewok movies are fundamentally better than that.
You don’t have to sway me. I’m one of the 50% of fans who liked it.
Same. I loved it and I didn't understand the hate lobbed at it.
@Darth_ Madara same here
FINALLY people who understand me!
"The door's open, let's go!" A joke that only a few people will get but it killed me.
What is that referring to?
@@nathanielhellman6952 It's a line from the Phantom Menace video game that Team Four Star turned into a running gag during their playthrough. Qui Gon shouts it at Obi-Wan a lot during the first level
@@eliburry-schnepp6012 OH! Thank you!
Okay, this is kind of a weird thing, but your Mark Hamill impersonation here is pretty damn good. Especially the Artoo scene, you have a different voice to him but you've got the inflections down pat! I know obviously that's because you've got the movie to rewatch and consider, but it's actually really decent regardless of that!
My brother actually had an idea that would still keep "Force Leia" without the SUperman bit....She stops the explosion with the force, halfway through the destroyed bridge, still loosing many of the bridge crew, but allowing others to evac, before she collapses from the strain after getting behind the Airlock herself
@DejaVoodooDoll No that could work. Or have her use the Force to stay in the bridge long enough for the emergency bulkhead to seal it off.
0:52 I feel your pain. It’s most likely late, but notice how every damn Star Wars video seem to have a “this is better than the sequel trilogy” comment.
Honestly, Star Wars TLJ is pretty much the pure definition of divisive.
Everyone either despises it, or thinks it’s a decent film. And people always get into flame wars over whether it’s truly good or not, instead of just going into a decent and civil conversation about one’s opinions.
In my opinion, Last Jedi is rather “meh,” but I’m open to those who either dislike or like the film.
After Rise of Skywalker I think even defenders will start to hate it.
Tanner Price but could you explain why OT is less divisive than the sequels?
It's mediocre in every way. Absolute borefest tbh.
DejaVoodooDoll I’m sorry but no. You cannot like The Last Jedi and yet hate Rise of Skywalker, because the Last Jedi is responsible for the faults of Rise of Skywalker.
DejaVoodooDoll The Last Jedi was the middle movie of a trilogy. The job of a middle movie is too advance the story but to also set up for the finale, TLJ did neither.
Rise of Skywalker basically had to go into overdrive to correct the trilogy because TLJ gave it little to work off of. Again, Rise of Skywalker is bad because of the Last of Jedi. If you like Last Jedi then good for you but you cannot dent that it completely derailed this trilogy.
This is exactly what it's like to like the Prequels.
Especially Episode One, which i do
@@cameronpearce5943 Now that's what I call podracing!!!
@@deathpigeon2 That's so wizard!!
@Darth_ Madara Indeed. I remember watching the Pilot Movie of that Series in the Theater. I liked it. Most of my family hated it and said the Series coming out of it would never be any good.
Cue two years later as me and my Family watch Episodes of Season Two and we all absolutely love it.
I gotta admit, I felt some smug satisfaction when my Parents finally said that they liked Ahsoka.
Not anymore. Now they're just as good if not better than the OT untouchable brilliant classics.
“We’ll talk more about this later.”
That’s the most times I think I’ve heard you say that phrase, Linkara, and we’re only in part one.
Well hey, at least he isn't raging after 5 pages like in THAT comic
**Marvile leans in**
You have 5 seconds to leave my house before I nuke you
**Marvile leans out of the shot**
As someone who hated the Leia floating through space scene, I actually think the comic made it much better since my main criticism was how bizarre it looked in the movie (mainly due to the cgi)
Nah, prequel criticism rarely shows up out of nowhere, only really popping up (in my experience at least) on discussion of the prequels specifically or star wars in general.
That's true now, but I would argue when the prequels were as new as The Last Jedi was, things were different. I didn't like them back then (still not a fan, but less hard on them than I used to be), but even I started to get annoyed with how often they would come up out of nowhere and how quickly the criticisms often seemed to escalate to "You're an idiot and/or not a real Star Wars fan if you liked them". It's died down a lot now, but I expect the constant random attacks on The Last Jedi to die down eventually, too.
The Last Jedi is still better than Avengers #200.
The Captain Marvel movie is ALSO better than Avengers #200.
10:15 The official explanation is indeed magnets.
Funny, I have CONSTANTLY heard TLJ being said to be “TESB carbon copy with a bit of RotJ”.
You know what's funny? Tie Bombers drop bomb on an asteroid in TESB, asteroids aren't big enough for producing the kind of gravity field needed, recent movie does it and we need an explanation because apparently Star Wars always cared about scientific plausibility. [just to be clear: that was sarcasm]
Det. Bullock I can’t believe those people are complaining about the laws of physics seemingly being broken NOW when Star Wars has always had sound in space.
@@dvader518 Sound in space, spaceships acting like aeroplanes or sea warships, you name it Star Wars has it since the very beginning.
Det. Bullock - It’s like everyone somehow forgot how to use their imaginations.
GameStation3 “But if it’s not in the movie, then it’s bad writing.”
Yeesh.
Speaking as someone with a military background, Poe was kind of justified in thinking Holdo was going to get them all killed. Her command style throughout the film is really toxic, especially considering there's no reason for her not to be keeping people in the loop about the plan to save their asses in a high stress situation. It comes across like she's just doing it to teach Poe a lesson, which is kind of petty and extremely inappropriate when they could all be dead within a very poorly defined amount of time.
Poe might be a hot head, but even with the demotion he still seems to be in charge of their starfighter wing (what's left of it, anyway), so he's still senior leadership and has a right to know what's going on. Beyond that, an important part of leadership in a military environment is earning the confidence of the people under you, and flat out refusing to take the few minutes to explain yourself is counterproductive to that.
What maybe could have saved this idea was giving Holdo a reason to want to keep her plan need-to-know until the last minute, like instead of the lore-breaking hyperspace tracker and that garbage Canto Bight side quest they could have had the B-plot be about Poe, Finn, and Rose looking for a spy transmitting their location to the FO. That would have given all three of them more screentime, probably given the Resistance more character, and avoided Rose's groan-worthy speech about how all evil rich people are arms dealers (brought to you by a multi-billion dollar and undeniably amoral entertainment company bigger than any defense contractor).
@DejaVoodooDoll I'll attempt to go point by point with this:
Even if she didn't have a plan to begin with, that's not an excuse for not telling anyone about it once she had thought of it.
I'm not sure what you mean by deserters and mind-readers, but I've never heard of any Force user being able to read random people's minds from a few hundred kilometers.
Poe was only "kept in the loop" if by that you mean he wasn't relieved of command and thrown in the brig. Also, "revolt" is the wrong word, soldiers mutiny, civilians revolt.
I don't even particularly like Poe, the only "excuse" I'm offering for him is that his actions were justified given the informed he had available at the time.
Hyperspace tracking was not established before TLJ, unless you're counting them retroactively saying in the visual dictionary for TLJ that one of the other files Jyn Erso sifted through in Rogue One was the Empire's secret hyperspace tracking research.
I'm not asking for everyone to be uber competent at their job, just that someone exhibiting such gross incompetence not be treated as if she were in the right.
Disney is not a bunch of war profiteers, to my knowledge.
@DejaVoodooDoll
The point is that she didn't make everyone aware of the plan to save their asses, as evidenced by Poe not being alone either, something that probably would have reassured anyone who'd want to desert because of the seemingly hopeless situation they were in. And it seems to me that telling everyone about the plan when Poe questioned her about it would have shut him down pretty quick since that was his only talking point.
I agree his plan was completely absurd, the entire B-plot is, but it is the kind of thing a guy like Poe who's unwilling to sit on his hands waiting to die would do if it was the only option he could see.
The only handicap I'm grading Poe on is that he's not the commanding officer, in the end it's not his job to reassure everyone and keep order. Holdo lost control of the situation, that's on her. Poe being a reckless idiot doesn't automatically make her right.
I also don't appreciate the underhanded way of calling me a sexist, there was enough of that coming out of Lucasfilms after the movie came out.
@DejaVoodooDoll You also have to note that in the language of cinema having a new character come in and condescend to our established hero is textbook for setting up a villain or at least an antagonist. If they wanted to establish Holdo as having no plan at the beginning then that is what they need to do. Look at The Two Towers when Theoden is blustering about how well they will do and brushing off Aragorn and co. Eventually he takes them aside and explains his motives.
Holdo is set up as being in the wrong and then "subverted" by having her be in the right. But the subversion doesn't work because of the great leaps in logic required to re-contextualize her actions. Even if we assume Krayt was her plan what she does does not make much sense.
Hyper Space tracking has been a thing since the original trilogy buddy it’s not lore breaking.
"Impressive. Every word in that sentence was wrong." "Even the 'and'?" "ESPECIALLY the 'and'."
wait, I've heard something like this before... Was that a Deep Space Nine reference?
What episode is that from?
I will admit I didn't like the last jedi. However I won't stop people from liking it. Besides it's not like it's the worst movie ever. There are much worse movies out there. Much much worse.
Like that one Star Wars special that shall not be named?
Ah! A decent person who accepts others opinions!
I honestly though the parts with Rey and Kylo were pretty good. While I was bummed we didn’t get to see Luke training Padawans, I really enjoyed how Rey essentially reignited Luke’s faith in the Jedi order, essentially giving the galaxy the hope it desperately needed.
The problem with The Last Jedi is that it feels way too much like a generic science fiction film! I could easily swap character, item, and term names and we’d have basically any other franchise in the story. Also the stuff with Finn and Rose was bullshit! I honestly would have had Finn go out on his own to find a way to disable the hyperdrive hacking and he ends up being stuck with Captain Phasma, who he slowly helps realize that the First Order is wrong and that she can be someone better. But hey, thats my opinion
The world would be so much better with people like. "I don't like this but nothing wrong if you do and won't bash you for it." Good person!
Daniel Price I agree. I don’t like The Last Jedi but if someone says they did like it then I’m gonna listen to there side and hear there defense of it
The Last Jedi made me care about Kylo Ren. I liked The Force Awakens, but I didn’t find him that great of a villain. He had a great concept, but he came off as annoying and well.....just a edge lord. The Last Jedi actually had him question his self worth and whether or not he is just a pawn with no greater role to play.
Its why i love the theory that (and it kind of bears fruit in rise of skywalker) that Hes as much the protagonist as rey is
Its just rather than a story of a hero becoming the villain like in the prequels, its a story of him slowly returning to the lightside
Connor notyerbidness I gotta agree with you there and I thought Rise of Skywalker did a great job concluding it.
Agreed. Even when Rey tries to redeem him at the end and he just gives her this "Are you high?" look. I remember smiling like a kid at Christmas. I immediately loved his ass and couldn't help but think. "Yeah, Rey. He's right. Why would he ever go back to being a hero, he has all that he's ever wanted. He's silenced his biggest critic and gained power in doing so." And that was before I started to look back on the fight scenes and notice how much personality they had just by Kylo showboating a bit here and there. There was just tons of interesting character stuff and moments. The movie definitely has its flaws, but its also legitimately great in places.
@@LupineShadowOmega also any scene including Snoke is gold. Andy serkis gives such a strong performance. Still love how he has none of reys shit of trying to take him on
@@LupineShadowOmega also any scene including Snoke is gold. Andy serkis gives such a strong performance. Still love how he has none of reys shit of trying to take him on, and recognizes that its foolish to even try to turn her- especially when he already has kylo ren. Or at least he thinks he does
In Cinemassacre’s Rental Review of Star Trek 5, I once came across a comment that said “Star Trek 5 is still better than The Last Jedi”. All I could do was facepalm.
"Sad when kids show favoritism towards one of their parents." 😂
Wait if Smoke is zordon's evil cousin, does that make kylo ren and knights of ren bad power ranger?? What was the selection? Find 6 teenages with bad attitudes xD
By God that fits so well, they even have costumes.
More like overbearing, over emotional humans and this time, he meant it.
...Yes. yes it is what it's like for people who like the prequels. (I don't like the prequels, but...)
I like Episode 3, even with flawed dialogue...
@Mattbrain
SAME.
I like it on a story level since you know the whole point of the prequel trilogy is to tell the story of how Anakin became Darth Vader and that's what it did. While the last two prequels were so boring.
Also character level, with Palpatine, Anakin, and Obi-Wan.
The themes of the prequels are good! It might not be a fun ride, but it's an interesting ride :)
@@thatonea-hole that's been my take on the prequels for a while now: the ideas and the large scale story beats were good, it's just that they were really badly actualized/executed.
But Ian McDiarmud was golden throughout.
I think I may have finally realized the right way to explain why some people where/are so vocally hostile to the Sequels especially this one.
They went into the new films wanting _"The Continued Adventures of Luke & Friends"_ not _"The New Adventures of Star Wars."_
Which makes it all the more baseless in my view. Neither prior trilogy focused on the same group. Sure some of the same faces where there but they were either in different roles or just not as prominent. What made them think the sequels would differ from that?
It's like watching Batman Beyond and getting upset Bruce isn't wearing the cowl anymore.
I can understand that but at the same time I feel like this new trilogy didn't give them the send-off they deserved.
@@tomhur1 I guess it just depends on ones definition of deserved. Are the characters so put on a pedestal that nothing short of ascension to godhood is acceptable?
Or are human after all and thus its appropriate that they perish in a very human manner, like sacrificing themselves for someone or something they belive in?
Its a tricky thing, I doubt would have ever been entirely satisfactory to everyone. It also kinda reminds me of the Davy Crockett discussion on DS9.
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Plus remember reality got in the way when Carrie Fisher passed away, so they didn't have much control there.
"Finn is also there"
Yeah kinda
In rechrospect the commenter who said "still better than Last Jedi" might of just intended to be sarcastic, if not, Insane
i'm sure the comments section for this one will be PERFECTLY sane & balanced.
Probably not, but it's nice to dream.
I do agree with a lot of Lewis's points on the movie & the comic. I'm not a fan of The Last Jedi, but I like aspects of the film like Luke fighting Kylo at the end & looking at the twin suns before he becomes one with the force. That stuff is good. Hell, I think Adam Driver's the best actor in the Sequel trilogy/Still love Daisy Ridley, John Boyega & the others too.
That first one is probably more likely but that second absolutely not, that much is an understatement
I love how Star Wars fans now have two things we agree on: the Mandalorion, and that Avengers 200 was worse than anything Star Wars ever.
*Mandalorian,* AndrewChalk88. And yes, Avengers #200 is second only to Mein Kampf as the worst thing ever written by humans. You sir, are correct.
@Santiago Scarpino Mein Kampf, Holy Terror and Avengers #200. Truly, the trifecta of terrible things written by mankind.
Strap on your beskar armor, check your blasters and get under cover, mates.
A better superweapon: the Kitten Multiplier Device - it surprises you with massive numbers of cute kitten videos to distract you so the forces can move in and steal your Twinkies.
Me: "Should I check the comments?"
*scrolls down*
Me: "Nope, nope, definitely not."
Actually my big criticism with the bomber scene is the fact that seem that Star Wars went backwards in technology big ass time with the fact that they have to look down to confirm a target and the slow ass bombers when we have seen faster bombers in previous movies
The the Y-wings were faster because they were fight-bombers. Bombers on the other hand, are slow, due to the big payload they are tasked to drop.
CosmoShidan again look down as in physically look down to confirm target and does not matter the payload we as in today have stronger bombs and are way faster than this remember the prequels where jango had bombs that where literally breaking asteroids in half way smaller and his ship was way faster than this crappy suicided bombers
Johnson was inspire by world war 2 but made and incredible bad job adapting that to the Star Wars lore
DejaVoodooDoll I don’t know how about use the stuff they had before ? It seems way more useful And that was no dog fight besides that the bomb fiasco.
Did you notice, to be an extremely slow space ship it literally didn’t have no defenses what so ever and I don’t mind a severe lack of shields death tie fighter destroy not 1 or 2 but 3 bombers
The lack of turrets is severely scary for such slow vehicles again is Star Wars making a huge step back in technology or even design I mean who the fuck design this crap of a ship
Lets not forget that the giant fireball from the bombs reached the bomber. How does a bomber survive a bombing? Also couldn't they have just tilted the bomber and released the bombs at an angle if they are propelled by magnetism?
@@paulbutkovich6103 If I were the designer who designed those bombers and staged that battle, I would've made two major changes:
1.I would have made the Resistance forces approach the dreadnought from "above" - that is, jumping in so that their line of attack was leading them to the top of the dreadnought, still targeting the same eventual detonation target.
2.I would have redesigned the StarFortresses so that the cockpit could transit from its in-film location to parallel with the bomb storage column (kind of like how the space shuttle used to sit atop its boosters). Have it sit parallel with the bombs so that it could land and so it could pilot to the target and have it go into T-mode for bomb deployment, with the artificial gravity in the craft changing toward where the bomb chute of the craft was. The artificial gravity could help accelerate the payload to its target, as Linkara mentioned, and you could have a really cool gravity transition scene.
Once you do that, you end up a more three dimensional battle with a linear attack instead of a perpendicular one.
I don't take huge issue with how it was portrayed, for what it's worth - but those two things could have added some interesting wrinkles.
There's a lot I could say about TLJ, but I'll boil it down to this: In my opinion, The Last Jedi is the cinematic equivalent of Spider-Man: One More Day. By which I mean it ruins the characterization of a much-beloved hero while also completely nullifying decades of continuity.
@sinwithagrin It absolutely does. The original trilogy was about a ragtag group of rebels opposing an overwhelmingly powerful empire, and a lone hero who was set to inherit the legacy of the Jedi. RotJ ends with the empire defeated, the republic restored, and Luke is all set to rebuild the Jedi order.
But then by the end of TLJ, we're completely back to square one: A ragtag rebellion opposing an evil empire, and a lone hero who's set to inherit the Jedi legacy. Evidently, nothing that happened in episodes 4-6 mattered at all.
@sinwithagrin Care to explain?
@sinwithagrin I'm afraid I don't understand. Nothing in that article refutes my prior points.
@sinwithagrin You'll need to actually explain how.
Luke, the character who goes apeshit whenever his friends are in danger, almost went apeshit when he saw visions of his friends being in danger. It doesn't ruin or contradict anything.
In the immortal words of Rogal Dorn (And his father):
"I do not see a plan. I only see terribly decisions being made."
"This plan is predicated on terrible decisions being made. Now shut up while daddy pulls his strings"
Personally, I loved The Last Jedi, I love the current trilogy, I liked the prequels, I like the original trilogy. It's all great and fun. The idea of space wizards is super cool, the force is a great concept, and the fights and lightsabers are frigging amazing to me.
The worst thing about Last Jedi...is there is no audiobook version of the Shakespeare version 😆
Now that I would love to see.. and maybe do it for all the StarWars movies. XD
Pikachu2Ash There are audiobooks for the original trilogy and Force Awakens and they are well worth getting. From what I understand the reason there aren’t any audiobooks for the prequels or Last Jedi is because Disney isn’t giving the go ahead for it.
Wait, there are audiobooks for the Shakespeare versions?! I'd be down for listening to those
I personally like The Last Jedi, but it's not without its problems. Every time I rewatch it, I either find more things to like about it or more problems with it.The stuff with Luke, Rey, and Kylo is the good stuff; while the stuff with the Resistance and the space casino is the bad stuff. I think Rose is a fine character, but I think the hate directed at her actress is very unnecessary, seriously guys, she's just an actress, its not her fault her character was terribly written.
I agree. I liked Last Jedi just for the sake of seeing Hamill, Fischer, and Oz back in action, the massive star ships, and Rose wasn't that bad (I personally hate Rey). But I admit, the "side quest" and most of the story was a complete mess.
I get what it was there for (challenge and confound each of the characters in different ways) but it did not always work for me.
I love Rose... except that she got assigned as the love interest.
Like, really? Did she REALLY have to be a love interest?! Why can’t she be an awesome character without having to have a romantic subplot.
I didn't need more star wars to hate. Just like I didn't need more Transformers to hate. Films can be bad on their own merits, and people are allowed to not like them. Those people are also allowed to explain why they don't like them, just as others are allowed to explain why they like them. This yelling match has been going on since first Novel came out.
He could not be more obviously criticizing people for starting these shouting matches out of nowhere with no prompting and you couldn't be more obviously ignoring that
It gets annoying when people start yelling at each other and having hissy fits over stuff like this when it comes to Star Wars or other fandoms. Why can’t we just have a simple conversation and discuss what we like or didn’t like as decent individuals instead of judging and insulting one another when talking about films like this. Everyone’s allowed to express their opinion and do so in a way that everybody can understand your side of the story, even if their not going to agree. It’s why I don’t insult people who like Phantom Menace or Attack of The Clones.
@@JambleBramble Ok boomer
@@TALLPANZER That term has only been stretched so far and you far surpassed its limit
TOLL PANZER Lewis’s point wasn’t “more Star Wars is always good even if it’s bad” but “either way, we get more memes!”
Who the hell said Avengers 200 was better than Last Jedi? I know the film is bad, but it wasn't all bad.
The commentor actually responded to this video, claiming ownership of that comment. His comment here: "I made the comment and I was a dumbass and didn't know what i was saying. I no longer stand by such a comment."
Man... I was not waiting for this comic. I SO HOPE no one rants in the comments about the movie. I genuinely dislike the film but I don’t dislike anyone who likes the film. I know this review will be great even if Linkara praises stuff I hate, cause the guy is awesome and smart and respectful. Hope the comments aren’t a garbage fire, cause it doesn’t seem like the fans are bad.
Also having read the comic... I liked the previous comic better. Far better art.
3 years late but I get ya. I used to like TLJ but not anymore mostly from a film making and narrative structure perspective, that and what they did to Finn. And I'm coming this as someone who still to this day, even among the many many MANY problems to what is the Dragon Ball GT of Star Wars, still enjoy TFA.
If I did have any gripes with Linkara's review is that there are some criticisms of the movie that he either glances over, or honestly didn't think about (Finn especially given what happened to John Boyega behind the scenes) but I don't hold that against him if he actually is aware of why people are miffed about the ST missing out on having a black lead as a jedi being pushed aside to be a side character. I don't hate Rey, I just hate how they put more focus on a white woman instead of having her and john both being the leading characters in this trilogy.
and agreed, TFA comic is leagues better, though I'd still take the TLJ comic over the movie.
Wasn’t the problem some people had with the movie that it seemed to be subverting expectations solely to subvert expectations? I mean it’s not really a bad thing to do in a movie but obviously it didn’t work here along with other problems.
According to some people, it was bad for all that SJW-related content.
In our day and age, you should better not try to generalize public opinion, or you'll step down to the dark side.
@DejaVoodooDoll Subverting expectations just to subvert expectations is not good writing. You need to actually have something to say, a new direction and goal when you change the course of your story. Does it subvert expectations when Kylo kills Snoke. Absolutely and I would be down with this. But then Kylo continues to do the same Dark Side things he would have done if Snoke had lived. Canto Bight is lazy worldbuilding, as if merely introducing the idea of war profiteering is somehow deep, no matter how little sense it makes (where did the First Order get the money, why would they buy arms instead of making them, where was the Republic in all this, why would you use slaves when you have droids?). Canto Bight could have had impact, changed the shape of the saga, but instead it is relegated to a C plot and never brought up again. Some subversions work, like Rey's parents being nobodies, but for every one that does there are two that don't. This script needed more drafts to make the whole more cohesive with itself and what came before.
@DejaVoodooDoll 1. Yes Sith fanboy did what Sith do. That is why it is not a subversion worth mentioning. It would have been if Kylo had actually tried to break out and find a third way.
2. It comes up in Canto Bight. It stops the moment they leave Canto Bight. No one ever mentions it again. It has never been mentioned in any other movie. It is in truth an interesting idea that I wish they explored in more detail (or any detail, actually). Maybe meet some of these arms-dealers instead of just Rose straw-manning them. It could help explain how the First Order got so big despite the Republic being at least in nominal control. But the movie does not have the time so they half-ass it. This weakens the movie overall because it reveals the whole Canto Bight subplot to be a plot cul-de-sac, invented to keep Rose and Finn busy and hit our quota of new locations. Most of your explanations are things you are reading into the movies, not things the movies said themselves. That's not a bad thing, mind. But I feel that you are writing whole sections of the movie for Rian Johnson to explain odd creative choices he made.
3. We saw slavery before, on Tatooine. A backwater planet which the Republic explicitly ignores. The Old Republic explicitly outlawed slavery. Did the New Republic not? Or did they reintroduce it? Canto Bight is far from a backwater. Also why would you have enslaved children doing work that is far better done by adults or droids? These people can surely afford being efficient. The real answer is that the writer wanted us to hate these people but didn't want to take the time to talk to them. How to make sure that the audience knows they're evil? Give them child slaves in order to make them monstrous, despite how little sense that makes. We've seen villains using droids before so why not here and now?
4. Canto Bight's plan was dumb, sure, but it only went wrong because the writer decided it had to. By having that black BB unit spot BB8. They literally got into the room with the thing, despite how little sense that made. It should have failed when they landed a non-First Order craft in the hangar bay of the Supremacy. Also ask this, what does the whole "risky plans can fail" thing add to the movie? Because to me it tells me "don't put people into corners where they think they need risky plans", a lesson Holdo learned too late.
Holdo and DJ being mirrors of each other is odd to me because they never meet and they never interact with any of the same characters. Their dialogue and framing does not line up either. If this was Johnson's intention it was executed poorly. I think, however, that it is merely something you read into the film, but am open to having it explained in more detail.
Oh Avengers 200 is worse than The Last Jedi most definitely.
I still didn’t like the film at all, but I do & can respect your argument & feelings towards it.
Believe it or not, I can like both Your view point & comments on the film & MauLer’s take as well.
Enjoying this video, for the right intentions.
Can’t wait for Part 2.😉
I sense a heavily requested EFAP...
Travis Himebaugh Thank You.
That Comic was god awful!
I just feel so sorry for Lewis having to read that atrocity.
illussiat Not Really.
I just wanted to say I can respect the negative reviews & positive reviews.
3:38 With the release of Episode IX, i sadly have to disagree with this. Combining with Episode VIII, now it has become practically impossible to have a normal conversation about Star Wars, it always devolves in yelling and blaming at each other's opinions. There's no more joy in comparing thoughts and ideas, replaced with tension at best.
And if new movies bring out this much damage, i'm not sure they're worth it, even for the sake of being mocked.
-Teo
See nostalgia critic batman vs tmnt
One thing I always wondered is why didn't they just use Y-Wings for the bombing run instead of those slow as hell ships? We've seen the Rebels use them before. Also wouldn't Leia have frozen or suffocated to death out in space before she could use the force to pull herself back in?
Well, I've heard most people don't know what a Y-Wing is... But yeah, that's a pretty good question.
As far as i have heard, Rian Johnson wanted to hommage ww2 bombers in this movie.
the ships might be slow but it only took one of them to destroy a dreadnought
Those ships always struck me as upgraded/more specialized evolutions of B-Wings. B-Wings were a thing back in RotJ, too, though with energy payloads. The Y-Wing was old in A New Hope, so it made sense that the B-Wing was overtaking it in RotJ...and it's only been more and more time since then. I would have preferred that they had used less gravity-centric delivery methods - shooting the sphere forward rather than "dropping" them - but otherwise they don't seem that crazy to me.
I mean, General Grievous's internal organs survived being in space, I think Plo Koon was able to survive via a pressurized mask once, and there's sound, which might not be a thing in space either for the most part, so Star Wars is kind of fast and loose with how space works.
People, I may not like The Last Jedi, but it does have its awesome moments. If LInkara likes it or loves it, I'm not gonna get so worked up like most people about it. You know why? BECAUSE IT'S HIS OPINION!!! It's his right and he's entitled to his opinion!
I think TLJ has it's faults, but it's not a terrible film.
...yes it is
Think the last jedi was decent....not amazing, but I really do not get the hate for it....
Geez, I'd argue that *every* Star Wars movie is better than Avengers 200. That includes the holiday special!
yes. this is exactly how it is for prequel lovers. at this point we just try to ignore them
Oh. You didn’t disable comments.
I have a bad feeling about this.
You have a bad feeling about this? I'd be worried if you didn't
Well, you're free to like stuff that others don't.
To me, I agree with folks who say that Luke shouldn't have gone down the characterization that TLJ went with. Past that, I won't say much more for fear of accidentally spoiling things.
i agree
In Swedish Snoke is the name of a kind of snake.
Although a fairly harmless one.
While not a total redo of ANH, TFA was extremely similar. As was this with TESB. The ST seemed stuck in some bizarre need to both retread the past, while trying to distance itself from it as much as possible, causing yet another layer of dissonance to the whole thing that adds to people being put off by it.
As to the points bought up, while you could come up with some way those bombers worked, they remain an ungodly abomination of idiotic design that no one could ever legit think would have worked enough to actually build, let alone buy and use them. Way too slow, far too squishy, a cross section that makes barns look hard to hit, having to be lined up directly over the target for a good length of time to drop the payload. The whole.. everything... about them was idioticly designed. What the hell happened to the Y Wings?
Completely agree with the Leia scene. The idea is great, the way it was shown was ridiculous. Like many issues with this movie, the idea could work, but the way the movie does it just ruins it. Like the cut Poe joke, I like the idea and it is great, but capping it with a 'Your mom" joke pushed it too far.
Even if the resistance cell we see here had y-wings I doubt they would have enough fire power to penetrate the dreadnaught’s armour hence why they used the bombers we see in the movie
@@jordanreed7570 That still doesn't explain what moron designed them, and what military would ever pay for them to be made in the first place. The whole design of them from the ground up is so atrociously bad in terms of being practical for actual combat, it makes no damn sense.
Maybe..... MAYBE they could work as some kind of converted civilian asteroid mining tools, blow apart rocks in space to harvest the mineral easier, but at that point, the shear amount of payload goes against them even being that.
The problem with the bomber scene is that Poe just recently called their target a fleet killer. Which of course implies to a lot of people that this thing could destroy their main ships before everyone is able to return. Making his action essential for survival and his demotion very confusing. Holdo adds to that, making her seem even more unreasonable. That line should have been cut and replaced with someone saying they can take a beating long enough for everyone to get onboard. You may assume that's unnecessary, but a lot of people saw the situation in that way and I don't believe that they are stupid for doing so.
Warenai Not to mention the whole: “Don’t think for yourself just blindly obey what everyone tells you even if it doesn’t make sense” message that its building up to
Exactly. It's a ship with an extremely powerfull, accurate and long range cannon. I have no illusions against the fact that if the Dreadnought hadn''t been taken out, it would have followed through hyperspace and shot out the Raddus almost immediately. Poe saved them and would have done so twice had he been allowed to launch again before the hanger got shot out.
Its also a little worse when you consider the Battle Front 2 DLC story ties into TLJ when they knew the dreadnaught was coming and how to fight it off but now it seems like that was never the plan.
"Is this what it was like for people who liked the prequels?"
Scratch like, more like found any redeeming value in any prequel era content ever. I love Star Wars, but the old guards utter disdain for anything not OT can make it trying sometimes.
Yea honestly feel like Star Wars has one of the worst fan bases and that is simply due to just that small percentage of fans who feel like they can gate keep the entire franchise. That them and the people who have the exact same thoughts on the franchise are the only ones that are allowed to be labeled true fans. If you like only film not on that list than your called a kid who doesn't understand SW or just same casual fan. I have had it happen to me so often for simply saying I loved the series "Rebels". Yet the Gate Keepers say no that series is shit because it was made by Disney and anything related to SW made by Disney is shit. Despite the fact that the series was made by Dave Filoni the man that made Clone Wars a series all fans love. And is also the same man who is now making The Mandalorian along with Favreau.
Even for Darth Maul?!
Mostly I just found The Last Jedi exhausting, probably because of the pacing issues you're going to get into, but also because of a general sense of "been there, done that." It had interesting ideas that, to me, weren't explored adequately because of the need to split time between multiple subplots and the obligatory "AT-ATs need to show up so we can put them in the trailer" scene. I agree that the hate train has gotten as exhausting as the film, if not moreso.
My thoughts on The Last Jedi is that it was a deeply flawed movie that felt like it should have been the third film in the trilogy rather then the second. That being said I thought it was okay, the Yoda scene was great some of the stuff involving Luke and Rey was good, the Canto Byte stuff could have been trimmed down a little and still got the message across. However, my biggest problem with TLJ was Holdo. Her entire role could have been replaced by Admiral Ackbar and not only would it have felt more earned and justified coming from Ackbar but also the sacrifice near the end would have been more poignant, tragic, and impactful with Ackbar at the helm rather than someone we just met and don’t really have any emotional attachment to going into the movie.
I think that might have been the point though with why Holdo was made for the movie.
I see where you're coming from, but hear me out.
We were told during the film that they were being tracked through hyperspeed, this may suggest there could have been a traitor onboard giving The First Order intel on how to find them.
Holdo was meant to be a red haring for the audience, she's new so we the audience don't know her or her history, and it makes her that more suspicious, which is why we spend more time with Po, we're meant to feel as if we should side with him because we only see his point of view
had Ackbar been the one in place of Holdo it wouldn't have been as suspenseful because we the audience know both Ackbar and Po are on the same side and this subplot with Po would have probably made the audience unintentionally be turned against Po because of how he would treat Ackbar because we would see him as being whinny and insubordinate
This was the movie trying to make the audience guess and think "who do we trust" IS Po right? or Is he wrong?
Plus I don't think Ackbar was on the table anyway since his actor had passed away prior to the film which is why I think they killed him off in this one since it was confirmed he was in the same room as Leia when they got hit
11:02 it looks like someone’s first attempt of a Jojo pose without the added oomph.
Also, unpopular opnion, the movie scene where Luke grieves for Han shouldn't have been cut out.
That’s not really an unpopular opinion
I am glad that Linkara is holding his own opinion. I also like the Last Jedi, and I'm not afraid to talk about it. And yes, that’s how people feel like prequels.
I get what you're saying about the bombers with regard to gravity still existing in space or the the possibility of a bomb propulsion system. But to paraphrase Spock the design of the bomber indicates 2 dimensional thinking. Why do they have to be over the deck of the dreadnought to launch the bombs. Why does the direction of the bomb release have to be perpendicular to the direction of the bomber's flight. Cut the engine, turn the bomber so that bomb-bay door face the target, release the bombs which now carry the momentum of the bomber plus the launch thrust, turn the engine back on and escape. Failing all that put the bomb-bay doors at the front of the ship. And if you must be over you target make your bomber faster. It's like they were designed to be destroyed so we could have that plot point. The new x-wings are amazing compared to the old ones but when it comes to bombers they took all the disadvantages of a y-wing and dialed them to 11.
If you made it this far in the comment, thank you for reading.
I will put my comment on this myself, I do not believe that you are wrong in wanting people to keep discussions on topic. it makes sense and is polite in debates about the material. I have my own opinions about the sequels myself, but I try and keep those to myself because I know not everyone wants to hear them
Secondclassangel You hit the nail on the head, man. A lot of people could do with the mindset “I’m allowed to express my opinion, but do people really want or need to hear it?”
I believe that the reason people don't like Poe's subplot in this movie is because is inconsistent with what had been shown in The Force Awakens and the Poe Dameron comic books, because here is portrayed with flaws that weren't present before (haven't read those comics myself but still)
I mean, in TFA, he didn’t has much time on screen. Just he was a Han Solo-type fighter pilot who owns bb-8 and like to crack jokes at his enemies.
And in TLJ, he’s... still a Han Solo-type fighter pilot who owns bb-8 and like to crack jokes at his enemies.
@@weirdotzero7065 Yea, but the fact that he was reckless was an attribute that people didn't related to him in the two year gap between movies, so for some it might be jarring seeing him portrayed like that. The movie had good ideas, but in some aspects the execution of those ideas may not be the best
@@FredericCarmen Think of the other most famous fighter pilot. What's one of his main traits? He's reckless. If Maverick were with Admiral Holdo, he probably would do the same things that Poe did.
That's a fair criticism, it's basically overemphasizing a character trait that is more part of an archetype than Poe as he is establisbed (which he barely is).
Also being a pilot isn't being a leader in any case.
I might need to give Last Jedi another watch.
I didn't mind it the first time, (aside from the purple-haired commander and the Casino planet really). Heck, it's more of a visual spectacle if anything.
There were moments I enjoyed, (splitting that large ship, Luke's battle with Ren, Finn owning Phasma), but also moments I was just...meh.
I can see its merit but I can see flaws too
I don't think any pro-TLJ folks are saying it's perfect. Heck, ESB's not perfect. But I think things can be good even when they are not perfect, and that's how I feel about TLJ.
Think of Canto Bight in a thematic aspect, and with the understand that it's teaching you to be OK with failure (and bringing Finn's heart in line with the Resistance rather than just protecting his friends).
@@roguishpaladin Fair enough. I guess a reason I didn't care for the casino is, well...it had Prequel feel all over it and wasn't as entertaining/interesting to me as well...Rei's training or even the case with the ship I suppose.
I will give the casino scene this, at least it’s a mostly real location rather then the prequels where 95% of everything was on a blue screen.
@@roguishpaladin Plus it brings up certain discussion points that are poignant today and haven't really been addressed in Star Wars before like class disparity, war profiteering and a lesson about neutrality that speaks about how in certain situations, it can basically translate to turning a blind eye to suffering.
I wouldn’t say it’s never been address. The clone wars tv series shown a lot of that in its political scenes, like the involvement of the trade federation, banking clans, and the techno union in the republic government politics while at the same time providing weapons and technology on both sides and profiting off of the war and doing whether they can to make to war continue on. Even the Kamionian’s get involve to gain more money to create more troops even if it would bankrupt the republic along with working with the banking clan.
First comment, no real opinion on the Last Jedi. I win. 😎
Linkara hates identity crisis = no flamewar
Linkara likes TLJ = brace for wildfire
(personal note as a star warrior: who cares )
I'm neutral about the Last Jedi (don't love it, don't hate it), but i'm glad to see some form of a positive review, even if it is about the comic adaptation. Thank you, Linkara. May the Force be with you.
Can't we all just agree Fallen Order and Rebels are pretty sweet?
As well as The Mandolorian plus Season 7 of The Clone Wars?
Oh my god, Fallen Order is Scott Lawrence's best performance as Vader. He sounds close to James Earl Jones. Plus the game actually made Vader unbeatable.
That goes without saying. :)
0:22 understandable that you reacted that way, to me the last Jedi may not be perfect, but it’s definitely not terrible, and people forgot that the next film would have more to say about the characters than what the last Jedi tried to make final. I called it from a mile away that Kylo Ren lied about Rey’s parents cause you know, a sith (and Kylo is a sith, he learned from a sith, he killed his master like a sith, he wields a red lightsaber like a sith, he admires a sith (darth vader), he is a sith) would tell a soon to be his/her new apprentice anything to make them doubt themselves and be susceptible to the dark side.
In reference to your slight rant at the beginning of the review why the hells and bells didn't they rant about the last Jedi on Rian Johnson films like Brick since oh I don't know THEY WERE DIRECTED BY THE SAME PERSON!!!!
13:27 "Never have that damn thing down when you're talking to me! How do I know you're not making faces at me under there?!"
Wrong Linkara, Snoke's flagship only has the same green turbolasers as the rest of the FO fleet, albeit a lot more of them. The dreadnought (specifically referred to as "a fleet killer") by contrast has cannons designed to punch through planetary shields (represented as red energy blasts) and would have destroyed the Raddus had Poe not destroyed it first. Poe saved the fleet and the movie's script is too stupid to acknowledge its own implications. And Leia's last action wasn't to demote Poe, it was to order him back into action because once again he was their only hope.
It is debatable if the dreadnought was that dangerous to them, but I agree that the fleet killer line makes it more confusing. Take it out and let someone add instead that the can take a beating long enough for everyone to return and escape with not too much damage and the scene makes much more sense. It is impossible to have it both ways, making the dreadnought as scary as possible and making Poe's decision a mistake.
@@Warenai Even if they could withdraw, the imperials could track them, meaning they would have to deal with the dreadnought anyway. Leia just got cold feet and tried to abort the mission too late. Poe did nothing wrong.
Also doesnt help that the bombing fleet had 0 Y-wings, which is itself another can of worms, and like 4 of them were taken out by a ridiculous chain reaction by a crashing TIE fighter.
I can't say any of this wrong or invalid, but I can reason that the resistance probably didn't get the funding or resources to built an force to counter The First Order that had built up for at least 2 Decades. The Restoration of the republic would take just as long and military rearmament wasn't a priority. I can't say that it's best reasoning but it what makes sense to me
@@Rendo86 no that is the reason. The Sequel Era has it so the New Republic and Empire made a truce, has the remnants placed in a remote side of the galaxy and the New Republic started rebuilding and demilitarizing. Leia thought its really dumb and theres no way the remnants of the Empire will not cause a problem in the future. time goes by, the Empire becomes The First Order, Leia was basically creating her own army labelled as the Resistance but is not as well funded as the Rebellion because The New Republic didnt think the First Order was a threat This also ruined Leia's reputation as people think she is a warmonger (also news broke she is related to Vader). would have been helpful to flesh out that 30 year gap in the movies but nope.
im legit surprised Star Trek forums don't have auto-bans for the word "Jedi" to begin with...
I didn't hate The Last Jedi. I didn't love it either. So I constantly get crap from both sides. Make no mistake, people who love the movie can be as equally annoying and dismissive of others' opinions as those who hate it. I've never seen a movie provoke this kind of response. Makes you think. If people could take all this passion about the film and harness it for the power of good we would have world peace by now
This episode is going to be as devicive than the film. Yikes
Man, I'm so glad what you don't afraid be killed by toxic SW community because you like TLJ. You're really THE MAN.
And video is awesome, thanks for it.
Ah, a 4-minute disclaimer before you start talking about Star Wars... well, what a great age to be living in.
The comments just exploded
You know Linkara, you are like a fine wine. You get better with age!
As someone who loves both the Prequels and THE LAST JEDI, dealing with the haters constantly whining about the films has been pure torture!
Like, when I first learned about the massive fan backlash towards TLJ, I was like, “Oh crap! It’s the STAR WARS prequel haters all over again! I can’t go back bro!”
Give it a few years and the fanbase will say it was a good movie. That seems to be the common theme with fandoms these days.
I've been looking forward to this review since The Force Awakens comic!
Not all the prequels haters, while i still think the prequels are bad. I think TLJ is awesome
Henry Stanley It’s not that they can’t have their own opinions. The problem is that a lot of the haters will disrespect anyone who disagree’s with them or go as far as to harass the creators & actors on social media.
It’s basically the mentality of “if I can’t enjoy this STAR WARS movie, then nobody can so I’ll ruin it for everyone else.”
Olivia Williams That’s fair! The prequel hate still got pretty bad back in the day though. To the point where it screwed up the lives of Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best, both of whom I feel really bad for...
Just saw the Rise of Skywalker today, so all I have to say it great timing Linkara
23:04 Okay Linkara, while you bring up a very good point on her not having formulated a plan yet as she needed more information and also them needing to teach him a lesson. However, I think you are understating Poe's Destruction of the dreadnought, while yes the Supremacy is a lot larger and they are currently on the run from the fleet, the Dreadnaught needed to be destroyed or else they would all be dead now instead of at least limping away outside of their cannon range. That Fulmanatrix's cannons reach far and would hit like a truck compared to the turbo lasers on the Supremacy.
Honestly I feel this is a failing of the script. If they wanted Poe to be held responsible for a disaster caused by him being a cocky hot head high off of his victory against Starkiller base, they could have taken out the dreadnought with minimum casualties, but Poe in a moment of glory seeking and false sense of invincibility could have saw an opening to take Hux's ship and deal an even bigger blow to the First Order with Leia voicing her opinion against it as the dreadnought was the immediate threat to the fleet's safety and THIS action got the bombers killed as maybe more First Order reinforcements arrive and they barely escape into Hyperspace.
If he had just left when he was ordered to, there wouldn't be a need to destroy the Dreadnaught. He caused the issue of the fleet being in danger by having them stick around too long.
@@AT4W IDK man...I feel like your missing the tactical point. I mean I get your point, Poe in this case is being a moron that gets people killed. They still are in a screwed situation regardless. However with the Dreadnaught still in play, the fleet that tracked them now has a fleet killing Dreadnaught that could shelling them with it's auto cannons. Also I feel like they were going to track them regardless if they left earlier or not because the technology picks up ships using hyperspace and calculates their trajectory. So in my mind had they left when Leia recalled them it still would have amounted to. "Yay we got away, Good Job distracting them Poe- *Hour maybe later* Ships exiting Hyperspace, Resurgent and Mandator Class! They tracked us?!" It had nothing to do with them jumping away before they could track them, because if that was the case they could have jumped away on fumes as soon as the First Order appeared and sent the Canto Bight shuttle to secure more fuel while they hid.
But you know... I was watching your other parts of the videos on the subject and you bring up a great point with Poe's story in this, maybe him being "Right", Big air quotes there BTW, for taking out the Dreadnaught is just the film tricking the audience into thinking Poe is in the right when he's not. Like I feel he has a point in taking out the Dreadnaught, but they still end up in a screwed situation just less so. Your supposed to think his ballsy plan will work despite all the odds against it because that's the film subverting the expectation of a Star Wars film. Luke and Han masquerading as Stormtroopers to rescue the Princess on the Deathstar is a ballsy plan that shouldn't work, but it does because it's Star Wars, hell not even going to even touch Luke's crazy plan to rescue Han Solo from Jabba the Hutt.
I for one Love The Last Jedi and I do have a fond memory of it since I bought tickets to an early screening Decked out in A homemade Jedi Costume and was interviewed by a local news station in my city that made it on TV. Good times
The thing about the Resistance bomber isn't just the bombs. Its that they over all make no damned sense. The lore books state that they are literally dropping the bombs and letting magnets pull them down, which should have drawn them to the hull. A hull which is so damned weak, the spalling shrapnel from a shot down TIE takes out THREE OF THEM. And then you realize they are so slow and large, that anti capital ship guns can be fired at them... and that they have no shields... or that its two anti star fighter guns only can point backwards... Seriously, it makes you wonder if Disney mandated no Y or B Wings just so they could milk the nostalgia for Rise... And no its not a spoiler, you can see them in the trailer...
dear god it feels so incredibly good to hear someone else saying they are tired of people turning every star wars discussion into a declaration of how much they hate the new movies. same with trek tbh.
realy took the words out of my mouth
I want to first off comment that while I personally dislike The Last Jedi in several regards I'll also try my damndest to have respect for people who do like it, so long as people respect my right to dislike it. Further I have nothing but respect for Linkara and his opinions of things even if I personally don't agree with him and this will not change. I believe I'll enjoy this review and I hope to better understand his opinions about The Last Jedi...I also agree with Lewis that it's nice to have new Star Wars movies to make jokes about.
Also as a final note I'm actually one of those people who generally likes the Prequel trilogy. I don't deny they have their faults but I generally think they're at least decent. In fact Revenge of the Sith is my personal favorite Star Wars movie, followed by Return of the Jedi, and Empire.
What are your thoughts regarding the continued tokenism and Orientalism that pervades in the OT, Prequels and sequel trilogy?
I don't know why, but "Especially the 'and' " line made me burst out into a fit of giggles.