The Million Euro Coup In Horse Breeding - Spectacular Gaits vs. Health
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2024
- Using examples from the 2015 stallion licensing in Verden Germany it is shown how the wrong selection in Warmblood horses for thrust and mobility affects not only the quality of the gaits but the health as well. Both effects are counterproductive in a reliable horse.
Barbara-Schulte.de / 756903781048875
Wow, I am absolutely breathtaken by the photo of the stallion from 25 years ago. You can see as well that his back seems properly muscled, is more level/rounded in his natural carriage than the 'superhorse Totilas' could ever hope to be. Perhaps his head isn't as refined, but structurally, mechanically he is a gorgeous specimen. Makes me sad to think that today's dressage horses are bred for flashy movements, rather than harmonic biomechanics. It is funny, when compared to say, racing thoroughbreds. American Pharoah has pretty much a flawlessly constructed body for example, for an english riding horse. (His main flaws I would say are mostly aesthetic in his head and neck but they are minor. His withers are a bit high too but that is to be somewhat expected). And yes warmbloods shouldn't look like thoroughbreds but the main idea is the same in seeking a well balanced, constructed horse. Form follows function. If a horse has the ideal build it will likely move in the appropriate manner too.
the photo is of different phase, you cannot judge movement by a photo.
Please keep sharing this good information.
This is very interesting and appreciate this. But in todays dressage, the correctly moving not so flamboyant movers are over shadowed and under scored compared to these types. The judges love the biggest movers. Perhaps judges need to learn what is correct
Absolutely. The USDF "L" program stresses biomechanics and I think does tend to give graduates a real understanding of how things work, how things should work and not to be overly impressed with flash over substance
It's refreshing to see someone talking about this honestly.
Thank you for putting this video together.. Very well done.
Thats a great vide0 !! Thank you, Barbara for making the point !
This is fantastic! Keep up the good work!
Far more concerning IMO of course are horses showing the free shoulder and exaggerated front movement with a poor correlating hind movement or drive.
These are quite common in competitions under saddle, they also tend to be hollow backed and behind the vertical in every movement. Prone to injury, suspensory ligament problems. Riders having to rely on stopping the front end instead of gaining elevation from behind, finding even strides a problem if they don't.
I think this is definitely a modern problem associated with breeding purely for dressage as you lose true hind thrust, power and stability. This is found in jumping lines. So a good jumping sire in a dressage pedigree is very useful to bring the breeding back into the realms of the balanced horse as long as you don't lose the walk. These can work through and over the back to the poll. A snappy truly driving hind end with a shoulder free enough to express this front elevation wont be hyperflexing in any way at all. These horses are worth a million Euros, absolutely. It's rare in a young horse, and usually only shows later in life as they muscle up and find that carrying capacity under saddle with careful training. That's to say the potential is not always in your face.
Keep up the good work! Big thanks to you!
It's sad that this video is not more widely spread so that more people are aware of this. I see so many problems in young horses. It seems like the judges reward the trot where the legs in front are extended more and the back is trailing. Meanwhile the riders are held in place by big thigh and knee rolls so that they can brace their arms to pull the horse behind the vertical and contract it. Now I am not an expert dressage rider but I do have eyes to see.
Wow this is very eye opening
absolutely, ... ! would love to see more info and research.... ty
Thank you!
The problems shown here are definitely of big concern. Yet I have to put a possible cause to discussion. It is correct, that the horses are changed in their conformation and the way they are put together. But seeing the same kind of horses moving on pasture not bearing a riders weight they do not have any problems balancing themselves or making the moves that are natural to them - also passage-piaffe, courbete etc. At least while they are young. I thus wish to question where the problem lies. I think it is in the saddles. Modern horses have their shoulders placed further back than horses did 50 years ago and the withers too. This means that there is very little room for placing a saddle on the horse. And with the conventional construction of saddles the tree points down into the muscles right behind the shoulder - even with the best possible padding below. These horses are very sensitive and will react to the slightest discomfort. They will have a tendency to hollow their back away from the saddle tree, which can also be seen in the video. Over time, the longissimus dorsi and other muscles in the back are diminishing. And over the same time, the horses lose their ability to use its body correctly. This of course should not be accepted by owners and competition jugdes. A few years ago a new saddle tree was invented and patented by the company DT-saddlery in Munich, Germany. This saddle tree allows the horse to move freely under the saddle - and use its back in correct bearing. So using the correct equipment has the potential to help the horses and riders - and keep the beautiful horses. Look for the trademark Butterfly®.
You don't see this in jumper bred stallions do you? Can you do a video on hunters and jumper bred horses?
+Nikki T
There will be a video on jumper bred horses, in due time. They have related problems that manifest themselves differently.
Do these horses that inherit the hyperflex movement have the gait gene mutation? From the perspective of the Easy-Gaited Horse community these four beat trots could be considered flying foxtrot or very diagonal singlefoot rack / tolt gaits. Foxtrot and tolt are natural, hereditary gaits that are harmless to the horses that inherit them. Flying pace (a very lateral four-beat gait) is a natural gait so why would there not also be a natural four-beat trot (flying foxtrot)? The only thing "wrong" with a four-beat trot is that it does not fit the traditional dressage definition of trot as a pure two-beat diagonal gait. If we admit that a 4-beat trot is a different gait from a 2-beat trot, acknowledge the fact that horses that inherit the gait gene naturally do both two-beat and four-beat intermediate gaits, and judge the hereditary four-beat diagonal gait by an appropriate standard what is the problem? The natural forms of all of the four-beat gaits are harmless to the horses that inherit them.
The sinking fetlocks is a separate issue and concern from the four-beat trot.
+Allanna Jackson
It certainly is not the aim of Warmblood breeders to breed "Easy-Gaited-Horses". They aim for the ultimate sports horse, in show jumping as well as in dressage. These horse are bred in separated breeding programs for their unique purpose. There is no multipurpose Warmblood in Germany anymore.
This movements are not altered "natural" varieties of trot. They are caused by too much thrust and a loss of balance and some other skeletal alterations I will explain in the next video.
@@barbaraproequoev8311 "These horse are bred in separated breeding programs for their unique purpose That is interesting. As we love the KWPN, I was surprised to see that they now (last 8 yrs?) require you to state which discipline your horse will do at the keuring!!!
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