I blind bought boutique blu rays all throughout the later half of the 2010’s. It was so fun & introduced me to so many awesome films. The problem now is that these 4k upgrades do so little to entice me to spend more money on the same niche horror film. How many times would one person want to spend 30 bucks on Kolobos ?
I think, we as collectors, are getting way too wrapped up in "upgrading". It is just way too expensive to double or triple dip when these prices are standard at $25 or even more for a deluxe edition or 4K. A blu-ray quality picture in most cases should be acceptable for any of us when viewing a film. Even DVD, in most cases should be acceptable. There are a few cases when an upgrade is warranted...."Funeral Home". I will buy a 4K, only if the price is right and I do not own the film in any other format. Otherwise, no. I am shooting for blu-ray quality across the board. Expense, expense, expense!!!! Too much. We must scale back and quit being tempted by shiny new packaging and artwork!
Upgrading physical media for me is simply a calculation of factors: What the movie is and how much I watch/enjoy it, the quality of the older release(s) I already own, the level of improvement in restoration or A/V quality, the inclusion or lack of new special features, packaging/presentation, and of course price point. I can't realistically upgrade everything so I strive be a discerning collector. I also strive to appreciate and enjoy what I have. I don't envision a new format replacing 4K UHD, atleast not for classic/catalog films, so I'm an advocate for collecting what you love.
I still collect old physical media just for the packaging and nostalgia. I have movies that I'm fine with just on DVD. Other films I own several copies of on multiple formats. Being a nostalgic buyer makes the bank account unhappy. The big factors for me on upgrading are packaging and mileage. Great pair of videos today, sir.
DVD 📀 has been around for over 20 years now and still outsells Bluray and 4K. I think there will be a huge percentage of collectors who never collect bluray or 4K and stick with DVD.
To ignore the trouble of upgrading, I only purchase 4k now. For about the last year. Even with titles that I absolutely want to own, like Nightmare On Elm Street, I could just purchase the Blu-Rays. I know eventually it will have to go to 4k, so I am waiting and avoiding that 7 disc Blu-Ray set. I’m not dipping twice and wasting 15-25 dollars for a Blu-Ray as well, when the important television in my room and the living room are equipped with the best 4k.
The big issue is the hardware. 4K TVs vary extensively in picture quality as do the 4K players. Even if a player/TV combo will do HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision and HLG - that screen may not be able to produce the intended color depth and black levels needed to see the difference. Most people think you buy a 4K tv/player and boom your done - not even close. As someone who's upgraded from most formats, vhs / laserdisc / dvd / 4k - with both tvs and projectors - 4K picture quality is the most complicated to dial in. ... But when you do - it's exquisite and I can't imagine it getting any better. It's better on my 13 foot screen than in the theater, easily. But I still scour thrift stores for DVDs every chance I get because even they are still valid and look great to me.
Mileage is a huge thing, man! That’s a thing for me as well is “how many times will I watch this movie a year?” Or something like that. I love watch special features and always love when a release ports over everything AND at the minimum adds a new commentary or something! Great conversation and topic, Christian!
For me 4k is cool but the picture quality isn't as noticable as VHS to DVD or DVD to Blu Ray. plus 4k is the only format i've ever had problems with discs freezing which is really annoying.
Depends on the restoration, if the blu-ray was first run earlier title. Older films usually have vast improvements depending on film elements and work done on restoration process.
Yeah I agree. The Blu is sweet.. upgraded myself to the 4k w alt slip and here we are just months later and SF is putting out a Walmart exclusive steel of the same exact contents! Now I'm likely to triple dip 🙄
@@brockmckraken yeah that's how these companies keep getting you to grab the newer version of something you already have and they force you to go for it because of it being limited
In a perfect world, all releases would come dual format 4k+blu. But when forced to choose between one or the other, I pick new 4k scan bluray over a 4k disc all day.... Mostly due to having more access to bluray players than 4k players tbh tho lol.
I loved Prince Of Darkness and The Live on 4k, but my reference point was a 4-movie DVD set. As in 4 80s horror flicks on one DVD, including those 2. Haha, in cases like this when I'm upgrading from DVD or first time buys of movies I like, yes. 4k is great. I think I upgraded to 4k from a DVD for The Fog. Gigantic upgrade there. There's also the times when the blu rays use old transfers, like the Halloween series, and the upgrade to 4k is kind of a no brainer. I double dipped on the Halloween 4k, since the one from Lionsgate was a total bust. If the blu ray is a good one, I'll generally keep it. For instance, Criterion's Night Of The Living Dead. Same restoration, same special features, they didnt even add HDR, and that blu ray is a knockout. I just watched it last night and im still in shock with how goood it looks.
My main criteria is if it might enhance the experience of watching the film. I dont feel this is the case very often with 4K vs Blu-Ray. Not even on a 120 inch screen and monster surround system. From VHS to Laserdisc absolutely. From DVD to Blu-ray very much so, but not so much with 4K. I do buy them, especially if I dont have the film and also sometimes with the films I truly like. Your point about milage is very good! Thanks!
Great breakdown . Especially noting sentimental value . Some DVDs I keep just cause of sentimental value . Some titles I get despite bad review such as The Abyss given it’s still best it’s ever looked or sounded on home video and will be years or over decade before another home video release . I think it’s important to support those companies like scream factory or arrow as best we can during this shrinking market .
IT Follows 4K looks amazing on an OLED. Worth the upgrade. You should do a video on which 4K version to upgrade to if you have some experience with other versions. For example, Dog Soldiers 4K was released by Second Sight and Shout Factory. From what I have heard, the Second Sight version is much better.
Ya I’m 23 I only look for DVDs only it’s just nostalgia for me I don’t wanna spend 26 dollars for 4K Im done all my horror dvd collections just need to get hell raiser ones
I'm going on 58 and have loved DVD from day 1, came late to Blu-ray and never bothered with 4K in fact, I sometimes feel like I'm even downgrading with some Blu-rays. So basically, I very rarely 'upgrade' to other formats but am more than content with the way my favorite stuff looks on my upscaling Panasonic Blu-ray players they will do the job just nicely. Will I ever change my mind and go 4K, who knows not in a hurry to do so it depends on when the TV set dies... lol
@@LarryFleetwood8675 man I just stick to DVDs on eBay and play then on my ps4 is just easier Im trying to get weird horror movies like I just the basket case 1-2 bloody birthday big fan of that one and I got the dentist another weird one I’m gonna watch soon and just a lot more I have all the Freddy chucky jason Halloween scream final destination sleep away camps all the saws alien very close to finishing the hell raiser movies need 2 more
Great stuff CHH. Correct on all points, upgrading is completely subjective. As a collector no one should be surprised if one upgrades for any reason. A quality example would be Predator. All the blue rays were total DNR. The 4K had the true film quality image. It just depends and again, completely subjective.
I think of the Donnie Darko limited editions from Arrow. I have both the 4K Limited Edition from 2021 AND the original Blu-ray Limited Edition from 2017. Content is essentially the same but I think the packaging and artwork for the 2017 LE is way nicer, I just couldn't part with it. Not a spot on the 2021 LE - it's certainly nice enough on its own - but the 2017 LE just captures the spirit of the movie a little better. For the Robocop and American Werewolf LE's, I totally kept the original 4K-scanned standard Blu-ray versions and just supplemented them with the non-LE 4K UHD versions when they came up for reasonable prices (and in the case of Robocop, I opted for the unique Steelbook edition instead). There is absolutely no reason to upgrade those versions - the packaging is identical. If I really wanted to save space, I could just slide the 4K disc into the Blu-ray LE and be done with it.
It's weird If I upgrade a movie it's because I watch it at least one time a year or I absolutely love the artwork or special features but most movies I'm buying on 4k for the first time because I was late to the game big big time but early to 4k
I would be fine with DVD video quality and packaging however I’m a big audio fan which pushes me toward blu-ray and usually 4k discs for the audio track
I feel like its hard not to upgrade when you see movies like I Know What You Did Last Summer on 4k. That movie is jaw dropping on 4k and reminds me what 4k is capable of. I will also upgrade any slashers to 4k just cuz lol. I also got lucky because I started collecting after 4k started so i have a lot less films I will have to upgrade as I am just buying the 4ks as my first purchase of the movie
Just sucks slipcovers steelbooks limited and if we wait for price drops on upgrade We lose out and have to pay tons down road …. I had 3500 movies now down to 1400 And I wanna have less and less Cause I don’t watch them all realistically and it’s costing me too much Addiction and I keep upgrading DVDs to Blu then worry if 4k comes out It’s sttessful
I never sell my old stuff I used to have a co-worker I felt bad for him I gave him a lot of my duplicates and now I'm regretting it because a lot of them are collectors items that you can never get anymore
4k is overrated imo. A good scan of a film on Blu-ray is more than adequate. Especially for 70 and 80's horror films. These films in 4k just look to shiny and fake to be honest. Again, imo.
A quality 4K restoration actually replicates the original 35 millimeter film presentation more accurately than standard high definition does, but that's assuming the restoration artist does quality work. For instance Vinegar Syndrome's 4K restorations accurately mimic 35 mm film without overly polishing or manipulating the source materials.
I only upgrade movies to 4K that I absolutely love and there in need of a better transfer. The Italian releases I can't sit there for 2 hours and read subtitles the special features don't do it for me
The only people blind-buying & collecting entire boutique lines do it for bragging rights. Usually, they're UA-cam content creators. The saddest part is, they haven't even watched half of thier collection. Their content is literally commercials that display art cards & slipcases. How much/little they love the cover art is their only thoughts about the release.
If they dig the art and are happy with what they’re doing, what’s the problem? The collecting community could stand to be less judgmental in my opinion. Do what you want as long as you have the funds. I don’t, so I buy only what I like and know I’ll rewatch. That doesn’t make my approach any more superior, only more practical. @@modalsoul6511
My 4K player makes my “regular” blue ray movies look better. No way I replace all my blue rays with 4K !!!
I blind bought boutique blu rays all throughout the later half of the 2010’s. It was so fun & introduced me to so many awesome films. The problem now is that these 4k upgrades do so little to entice me to spend more money on the same niche horror film. How many times would one person want to spend 30 bucks on Kolobos ?
I think, we as collectors, are getting way too wrapped up in "upgrading". It is just way too expensive to double or triple dip when these prices are standard at $25 or even more for a deluxe edition or 4K. A blu-ray quality picture in most cases should be acceptable for any of us when viewing a film. Even DVD, in most cases should be acceptable. There are a few cases when an upgrade is warranted...."Funeral Home". I will buy a 4K, only if the price is right and I do not own the film in any other format. Otherwise, no. I am shooting for blu-ray quality across the board. Expense, expense, expense!!!! Too much. We must scale back and quit being tempted by shiny new packaging and artwork!
Upgrading physical media for me is simply a calculation of factors: What the movie is and how much I watch/enjoy it, the quality of the older release(s) I already own, the level of improvement in restoration or A/V quality, the inclusion or lack of new special features, packaging/presentation, and of course price point. I can't realistically upgrade everything so I strive be a discerning collector. I also strive to appreciate and enjoy what I have. I don't envision a new format replacing 4K UHD, atleast not for classic/catalog films, so I'm an advocate for collecting what you love.
For me, if the 4k is available and I don't own the film yet I get the 4k, but if I own the blu ray and the 4k comes out, I don't upgrade.
I still collect old physical media just for the packaging and nostalgia. I have movies that I'm fine with just on DVD. Other films I own several copies of on multiple formats. Being a nostalgic buyer makes the bank account unhappy. The big factors for me on upgrading are packaging and mileage. Great pair of videos today, sir.
DVD 📀 has been around for over 20 years now and still outsells Bluray and 4K. I think there will be a huge percentage of collectors who never collect bluray or 4K and stick with DVD.
But, sell, trade, as you wish. As long as we all keep collecting. Gotta keep physical media alive!
This was a great video. Such a cozy watch.
To ignore the trouble of upgrading, I only purchase 4k now. For about the last year. Even with titles that I absolutely want to own, like Nightmare On Elm Street, I could just purchase the Blu-Rays. I know eventually it will have to go to 4k, so I am waiting and avoiding that 7 disc Blu-Ray set. I’m not dipping twice and wasting 15-25 dollars for a Blu-Ray as well, when the important television in my room and the living room are equipped with the best 4k.
I only upgrade if it's a title I really like.
The big issue is the hardware. 4K TVs vary extensively in picture quality as do the 4K players. Even if a player/TV combo will do HDR10, HDR10+, Dolby Vision and HLG - that screen may not be able to produce the intended color depth and black levels needed to see the difference. Most people think you buy a 4K tv/player and boom your done - not even close.
As someone who's upgraded from most formats, vhs / laserdisc / dvd / 4k - with both tvs and projectors - 4K picture quality is the most complicated to dial in. ... But when you do - it's exquisite and I can't imagine it getting any better. It's better on my 13 foot screen than in the theater, easily. But I still scour thrift stores for DVDs every chance I get because even they are still valid and look great to me.
Mileage is a huge thing, man! That’s a thing for me as well is “how many times will I watch this movie a year?” Or something like that. I love watch special features and always love when a release ports over everything AND at the minimum adds a new commentary or something! Great conversation and topic, Christian!
For me 4k is cool but the picture quality isn't as noticable as VHS to DVD or DVD to Blu Ray. plus 4k is the only format i've ever had problems with discs freezing which is really annoying.
Certain players have trouble reading the 100gb triple layered discs
I didn’t really notice any difference between VHS and DVD.
Depends on the transfer a lot of 4Ks aren't much better looking than the standard Blu Ray
Agreed. Not worth all the extra money
Depends on the restoration, if the blu-ray was first run earlier title. Older films usually have vast improvements depending on film elements and work done on restoration process.
I upgraded Creepshow but still kept the Blu Ray as well that hard slipcase and the booklet are worth keeping
Yeah I agree. The Blu is sweet.. upgraded myself to the 4k w alt slip and here we are just months later and SF is putting out a Walmart exclusive steel of the same exact contents! Now I'm likely to triple dip 🙄
Did the same with the Burning.
@@brockmckraken yeah that's how these companies keep getting you to grab the newer version of something you already have and they force you to go for it because of it being limited
In a perfect world, all releases would come dual format 4k+blu.
But when forced to choose between one or the other, I pick new 4k scan bluray over a 4k disc all day....
Mostly due to having more access to bluray players than 4k players tbh tho lol.
I loved Prince Of Darkness and The Live on 4k, but my reference point was a 4-movie DVD set. As in 4 80s horror flicks on one DVD, including those 2. Haha, in cases like this when I'm upgrading from DVD or first time buys of movies I like, yes. 4k is great. I think I upgraded to 4k from a DVD for The Fog. Gigantic upgrade there.
There's also the times when the blu rays use old transfers, like the Halloween series, and the upgrade to 4k is kind of a no brainer. I double dipped on the Halloween 4k, since the one from Lionsgate was a total bust.
If the blu ray is a good one, I'll generally keep it. For instance, Criterion's Night Of The Living Dead. Same restoration, same special features, they didnt even add HDR, and that blu ray is a knockout. I just watched it last night and im still in shock with how goood it looks.
So true of NOTLD passed on the 4k for the same reason and the sound quality was fantastic too.
My main criteria is if it might enhance the experience of watching the film. I dont feel this is the case very often with 4K vs Blu-Ray. Not even on a 120 inch screen and monster surround system. From VHS to Laserdisc absolutely. From DVD to Blu-ray very much so, but not so much with 4K. I do buy them, especially if I dont have the film and also sometimes with the films I truly like. Your point about milage is very good! Thanks!
Great breakdown . Especially noting sentimental value . Some DVDs I keep just cause of sentimental value .
Some titles I get despite bad review such as The Abyss given it’s still best it’s ever looked or sounded on home video and will be years or over decade before another home video release .
I think it’s important to support those companies like scream factory or arrow as best we can during this shrinking market .
IT Follows 4K looks amazing on an OLED. Worth the upgrade. You should do a video on which 4K version to upgrade to if you have some experience with other versions. For example, Dog Soldiers 4K was released by Second Sight and Shout Factory. From what I have heard, the Second Sight version is much better.
not me man im done doing upgrading after i bouht the blob on 4k and to me it look not diffrent then 2018 blu ray they did
Ya I’m 23 I only look for DVDs only it’s just nostalgia for me I don’t wanna spend 26 dollars for 4K Im done all my horror dvd collections just need to get hell raiser ones
I'm going on 58 and have loved DVD from day 1, came late to Blu-ray and never bothered with 4K in fact, I sometimes feel like I'm even downgrading with some Blu-rays. So basically, I very rarely 'upgrade' to other formats but am more than content with the way my favorite stuff looks on my upscaling Panasonic Blu-ray players they will do the job just nicely. Will I ever change my mind and go 4K, who knows not in a hurry to do so it depends on when the TV set dies... lol
@@LarryFleetwood8675 man I just stick to DVDs on eBay and play then on my ps4 is just easier Im trying to get weird horror movies like I just the basket case 1-2 bloody birthday big fan of that one and I got the dentist another weird one I’m gonna watch soon and just a lot more I have all the Freddy chucky jason Halloween scream final destination sleep away camps all the saws alien very close to finishing the hell raiser movies need 2 more
I agree the vestron blu ray line picture quality looks good enough that prob won't upgrade those
"Consumerism, when to give in?"
Great stuff CHH. Correct on all points, upgrading is completely subjective. As a collector no one should be surprised if one upgrades for any reason. A quality example would be Predator. All the blue rays were total DNR. The 4K had the true film quality image. It just depends and again, completely subjective.
I think of the Donnie Darko limited editions from Arrow. I have both the 4K Limited Edition from 2021 AND the original Blu-ray Limited Edition from 2017. Content is essentially the same but I think the packaging and artwork for the 2017 LE is way nicer, I just couldn't part with it. Not a spot on the 2021 LE - it's certainly nice enough on its own - but the 2017 LE just captures the spirit of the movie a little better. For the Robocop and American Werewolf LE's, I totally kept the original 4K-scanned standard Blu-ray versions and just supplemented them with the non-LE 4K UHD versions when they came up for reasonable prices (and in the case of Robocop, I opted for the unique Steelbook edition instead). There is absolutely no reason to upgrade those versions - the packaging is identical. If I really wanted to save space, I could just slide the 4K disc into the Blu-ray LE and be done with it.
It's weird If I upgrade a movie it's because I watch it at least one time a year or I absolutely love the artwork or special features but most movies I'm buying on 4k for the first time because I was late to the game big big time but early to 4k
I would be fine with DVD video quality and packaging however I’m a big audio fan which pushes me toward blu-ray and usually 4k discs for the audio track
I feel like its hard not to upgrade when you see movies like I Know What You Did Last Summer on 4k. That movie is jaw dropping on 4k and reminds me what 4k is capable of. I will also upgrade any slashers to 4k just cuz lol. I also got lucky because I started collecting after 4k started so i have a lot less films I will have to upgrade as I am just buying the 4ks as my first purchase of the movie
I'm hoping Diabolik does a Synapse sale just so I can get The Convent at a normal price this year.
They probably will do a sale, but that title probably won't go on sale. It's limited and it's a Synapse direct title.
Just sucks slipcovers steelbooks limited and if we wait for price drops on upgrade
We lose out and have to pay tons down road ….
I had 3500 movies now down to 1400
And I wanna have less and less
Cause I don’t watch them all realistically and it’s costing me too much
Addiction and I keep upgrading DVDs to Blu then worry if 4k comes out
It’s sttessful
I never sell my old stuff I used to have a co-worker I felt bad for him I gave him a lot of my duplicates and now I'm regretting it because a lot of them are collectors items that you can never get anymore
I'm happy with bluray if it looks good no problem unless it never was put out on bluray then I get it
4k is overrated imo. A good scan of a film on Blu-ray is more than adequate. Especially for 70 and 80's horror films. These films in 4k just look to shiny and fake to be honest. Again, imo.
A quality 4K restoration actually replicates the original 35 millimeter film presentation more accurately than standard high definition does, but that's assuming the restoration artist does quality work. For instance Vinegar Syndrome's 4K restorations accurately mimic 35 mm film without overly polishing or manipulating the source materials.
I only upgrade movies to 4K that I absolutely love and there in need of a better transfer. The Italian releases I can't sit there for 2 hours and read subtitles the special features don't do it for me
the upgrading is expensive. if you want to convert to 4k it's up to the consumer . some of horror movies are worth the 4k upgrade
John Carpenters Vampires isn’t on 4K. If that’s what you meant when you said Vampires.
The only people blind-buying & collecting entire boutique lines do it for bragging rights. Usually, they're UA-cam content creators. The saddest part is, they haven't even watched half of thier collection. Their content is literally commercials that display art cards & slipcases. How much/little they love the cover art is their only thoughts about the release.
Preach 💯💯💯💯💯💯
If they dig the art and are happy with what they’re doing, what’s the problem? The collecting community could stand to be less judgmental in my opinion. Do what you want as long as you have the funds. I don’t, so I buy only what I like and know I’ll rewatch. That doesn’t make my approach any more superior, only more practical. @@modalsoul6511
100% agree