I would like to add one: Pride = expecting God to accept your good works as a bribe so He might overlook the fact of your sin, as opposed to: Humility = trusting to be saved through Jesus Christ.
I'm trying to hold onto Biblical truths taught to me, of which I believed my whole adult life, while being surrounded by progressive Christians. I know very few Christians in my area that are not progressive. Podcasts like this are fresh air for me and helps me know I am not really alone on what was once just a given of universal Biblical truths.
I thank God for you Marcus! For staying faithful to God ,to Jesus his son,you have within you the Holyspirit of God that dwells in you til Jesus comes to get us,wether in the rapture or death,we have the Holyspirit and you will never ever be alone😍
Ephesians 1:13 in whom (Jesus) you also trusted,after that you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation,in whom (Jesus)also after you believed you were sealed with that Holyspirit of promise. 14) which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession ,unto the praise of his glory.
You can overcome! If you remove media that uses curse words from your life it’s a lot easier for those things to no longer come out of your mouth...cause it’s not going in.
When you show to be trustworthy and faithful to God in these little things he will set you over large things more significant things more and more into eternity!
How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit? I’m not being skeptical of you, I’m genuinely curious. My experience has been feeling really bad about something like right after or even AS you are doing it. Then you repent of it. It did give me reassurance, but I nearly fell away. I was so arrogant I didn’t even realize how bad it was. I went back to old sins. I knew it was wrong. I’ve repented of them now, but I’m still very scared. I’ve been praying and reading and asking for forgiveness. I keep finding so much evil in my heart.
@@Jamie-Russell-CME I don't know precisely what you mean by that but so far as it's true that Jesus came and served us, washed feet and died for us... well that doesn't make me think I'm a big deal, that humbles me and makes me want to serve Him and be devoted to Him. If that's what you mean then ditto
Lets remember to convict our brothers and sisters with grace. It’s too easy for us to get offended and passionate when we encounter believers who’s perception of the gospel isn’t sound. However, Jesus always led with love when he called for repentance. Instead of berating those who may be ill informed. Pray for them and offer biblical resources to help rebuild their faith.
Or just let people live their lives in peace. Leave them alone, they’re unburdened by your fear and are wise enough to know a “rebuilding of faith” would mean imprisonment of their soul under the toxic and judgmental eye of self-serving leaders set on convincing you not to think for yourself and to follow them without question.
@@mads597 I don’t necessarily agree with you but I do respect your opinion and one else’s. Like in many religions there’s leaders who take advantage of their platform/position. However the focus of Christianity isn’t about them it’s about having a relationship with God. When I refer to helping people rebuild their faith i’m specifically referencing to people within the community and who you have a relationship with. I do agree that it’s unrealistic to hold other people to the principles of your religion if they don’t believe in it.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
You must not pray to God Yahweh and His Christ Yeshua(Jesus) because He has said that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avails much (James 5:16); it means that the prayers of the righteous are powerful, because the One they pray to is all-powerful and all the promises of God are in Him(Christ) yes and amen[2 Corinthians 1:20] and we know that if we pray according to His will then we have what we pray for [Mark 11:23-26; 1 John 5:14-15].
My husband is a deputy and I just had that image of him dealing with a suspect and telling them, "You are swimming against the flow of my love." Oh my gosh, that was just plain funny! Even being funny, it was a great example of punitive justice.
Correction: with pregnancy complications, it's not that you're killing one to save the other, it's that you are saving one and failing, due to inadequate medical technology, to save the other. The difference is that the latter isn't actively killing the one, which would be murder, which is a philosophically important distinction. Note: I believe this is Mike's view and that he simply misstated it in the moment, which is something we all do. I only posted this to clarify for any one who runs across this so that they have a more accurate understanding of what was probably meant as there are many people who would simply point to what he said and say that Mike Winger said it's ok to kill babies when he isn't saying that at all.
That is perfectly stated! I think a change in the vocabulary we use may help with this distinction. When both lives are in danger, then the baby should be “delivered” as opposed to “aborted” and all attempts should be made to save both lives.
Whenever people tell me that sometimes they have to abort baby to save mum. I say no, they birth baby. There is no reason to kill baby first, then birth it.
I hope you are right because I was just going to comment on it. No, you don't kill someone because "they are going to die anyway" then we're supporting euthanasia which is no better than abortion
In a situation where the baby will die no matter what you do terminating the pregnancy to save the mother's life is morally justified, perhaps even required. I can buy that.
Modern Christianity is all about focusing on "how those other Christians are doing it wrong" instead of taking an honest appraisal of the faith and why its in decline.
The thing is if what these 'Christians' are teaching is unbiblical and they are doing it in the name of Christ and Christianity and they are bringing alot of people into their heresies then we need to speak out against it. If there are people with a following that are teaching people things that are not of God, we need to address them because they are like Shepherds that are not feeding their flocks. These videos are to keep people from falling into traps and teachings that are against God and to bring people to knowledge of the true God of the bible and of the gospel. Nonetheless I agree that it is a focus, and we should NEVER lose sight of Christ, but it is a work that needs to be done. But we should always be striving to know the heart of God and to understand the gospel better and bring people closer.
@@edtachiri The word heresy is meaningless in 2020, it implies there is a true orthodox church that is in contact with God. The world has 1000's of variations of Christianity with their own version of orthodoxy and none of them seem to have access to any of the super powers granted in the Bible, or be significantly different from each other, certainly nothing like the church in Acts. According to most Jews the New Testament is a Heresy, they like most Europeans and rational people everywhere find it a conflicted mess, you actually need a strong imagination to pull together any kind of orthodoxy.
@@LukeVidler I agree. There are alot of heresies in the church. But that doesn't mean men of God should not call them out. Even if they are small. And we should be praying for reform in the body of Christ. Nonetheless, when there are DAMNABLE heresies, then if no-one says anything I would be shocked and wrathful. Heresies are bad enough. But damnable heresies are sending people straight to hell.
I just want to say how I appreciate you, Mike and other bible reading christians putting out theses types of videos. They are both challenging and encouraging.
Love Mike Winger and Alisa Childers! Both of them helped my wife and I during COVID. Another Gospel is a must read guys if you haven't read it. Thanks for the work you both are during for the Kingdom.
Thank you for putting this content out. I'm so glad I've found you and Mike Winger. I used to go to Bryan Zhand"s church 15 years ago but left because something sounded off in the preaching. I just couldn't figure out what it was. Now to hear some of what he says I understand why it didn't sit well with me.
@@nikkialkema1032 Sorry, I don't know what logic you are using there, but it makes no sense. Fertilization creates a new human being, its science, its repeatable and testable, we have at least 7 Billion living examples. Not one was born of just sperm or just an egg. From the moment of conception you have a human with unique DNA that if allowed to develop will become a living baby under most circumstances. If the fertilization is unviable in most circumstances the pregnancy will terminate itself very early, even before the mother knows she's pregnant many times. So by the time a mother knows she's pregnant, most of those are viable human beings that will be born alive, if allowed. There is a big difference between preventing pregnancy and terminating pregnancy.
@@edcorps2876 The child is by conseption as alive as a plant it doesn't feel a thing from the abortion and what if the mother was raped nobody would like living knowing they only exist because of rape and what if the mother is only thirteen or somthing like that the chance the kid survives is small and the chance the mother survives is even smaller both of them can feel it it then and your killing two people. If you have a problem with abortions you should also be so hardcore vegan you don't even eat plants. I don't know you personaly but most "pro life" people only want more children so they can do they dirty work when they grow up. These conservatives only care about themselves. You said that we have 7 billion living examples but what about all the miscarriges. The reason there is less of these now is because of abortion. Why carry a child for nine months if they are gonna die anyway, that way they're just gonna suffer. And what if you live somewhere where people are starving? You can't breastfeed if you don't have enough food. Or will you just let them die once they're born? If someone can't take care of kids they shoudn't have them either, but I do agree that if you can take care of them, are in good health and you are old enough and are not raped you should just get your kid.
@@nikkialkema1032 Let me just point out a couple of things. You speak of rape, but yet you lower humans to the level of animals and plants. How is it that you can find rape immoral if I should be a "hardcore vegan" because killing animals is basically the same as killing humans? And how is it that rape is immoral if a baby at conception is 'nothing more than a plant'? I can't see from your own logic how you could find genocide, rape, starvation, or any of these things immoral. Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Does it even cross their mind? Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? It might make things easier, but they certainly don't care if they can accomplish their goal. If you don't see the sanctity of human life then I don't see how you could be outraged about any of these other things. There are plenty of mothers that have children born out of rape that would tell you they are glad they did not terminate, I think the majority that kept their babies would tell you that. Why? Because the human being that is born is not the human being that did them wrong. They see the innocent baby, they raise them, they see that those children love them and they find satisfaction even in the pain. Why because they value that human being, even under the circumstances to which they were brought into the world. Human life is precious and if you can't see that, then you are not going to see anything except through the lens of self fulfilment. The Bible tells us that all humans are made in the image of God and have intrinsic worth, if that's not true, then your morality and moral arguments have no basis.
@@edcorps2876 Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Yes, elefhants, dogs, cats, foxes, wolves and many other species care, cats even care about other species and have been known to adopt dogs. Does it even cross their mind? Yes. Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? Wolves, foxes (though not all foxes cuz animals are people) and swans do and there are other species who care. Rape is immoral because you have sex with someone who doesn't want to not because of the child. I think it is great that people are willing to raise a child that came from rape but it is the mothers choice and no one elses telling people what to do is immoral. The bible tells us that humans are made in the immage of God you say, but the bible also says that those humans got kicked out of paradise for a reason. And my point with the plants was just that they don't feel and neither does the abborted "baby" because they're not a human jet, and killing one of them is as immoral as killing a plant. Besides you say that I level humans down to animals jet humans tigers and some kinds of snakes are the only species who kill eachother so how great are humans really, I am not bringing humans down I am telling the truth, there is no need for more humans on this planet. Mankind is the species that started sin. I don't think we should go extinct just don't say we're in Gods image as we were once.
Thank you for having these discussions and bringing clarity to those who are being led astray by false teachers/teachings. Being a part of the younger generation it’s scary to see these gradual changes within the church and it happens so subtly that most people don’t catch it and start to accept things that Jesus does not want for us. Again, thank you!
Nice bookshelf there young man. Nice to see a happy face. Scholars can be so seriously minded. Truth makes you happy n smile. And also truth is so simple.
I highly appreciate the clarity and conciseness of these answers. It takes knowing WHY something is wrong to provide any quick answer that is effective and defensible.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@William Wertz Jesus has a God Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz Jesus has a God The God of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz The God of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
At 18:05, I can relate. I used to have a real road rage problem when I was younger and I worked on it to the point where my anger turned to concern and I was praying for safe travels for the folks I would have flipped off before. Then my son was born. Suddenly, I took such offense at dangerous driving habits around me, because they were endangering my son in the car with me, that I felt incensed, a violent wrath I haven't felt before. I'm still working on it, but your comment about how parental love can lead to wrath brought it to my mind.
The following statement has impacted me greatly, though you may not see it initially. Here it is and I pray that it resounds with you as it has with me. "How we live matters" say that with meaning then as you read your Bible and look around at everything that is around you, that statement may just make you really think about everything you do and say. God bless all of you.
The thoughts of Richard Rohr amaze me. How can he say Hell is "theologically impossible" when millions (perhaps billions) of people including well-trained Biblical scholars and pastors have had no theological problem with it for thousands of years.
i firmly believe that most of the items on this list stem from a desire to embrace "love/compassion" at the expense of truth...this has been the dna of way too many fellow believers i've encountered over the past decade or so....very disturbing and dangerous trend in American churches...
So thankful for both of these amazing saints. Alisa, you have encouraged me so much already and I only just found you this week. You are an answer to prayer.
At 4:50 on cussing. I'm more concerned about behaviours than words. I see sanctimonious Christians who have abusive behaviours, committing adultery and paedophiles criticising people who cuss.
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir Can't recall the exact verse, but God said, you break one law, you've broken all laws. Meaning the wage of sin is the same no matter whatever sin it is. Of course, God saves both if they repent too.
@@Eric-dd8bk I'm sure the scriptures don't say that. So, if I cuss that makes me a paedophile, murderer, adulterer, homosexual et al. Somehow, I don't think so. You had better find the scripture and quote it in context.
The point regarding the 4 methods of interpretation is a practice called the quadriga. This was popular back in the Middle Ages and has come back to life in the progressive Christianity movement as an abandonment of literal interpretation. People either feel the Word of God is infallible or it’s fallible, I tend to think that actual believers understand God’s true nature of infallibility and inerrancy.
I so appreciate both of you-your honest, grace filled, biblical answers to the confusion and deceptions in the culture is so refreshing. This conversation in particular has been very helpful. I'm thankful that God is moving in the hearts of His people to really stand firm on the Gospel and biblical truth especially as we see the enemy moving to deceive the masses. Keep up the great work.
During this time me and my children are going threw hell and that is not a metaphor because of the pandemic like many others, first my job, soon my home. It’s only because of the kindness of strangers I still have a roof over our my head. Now we are under another lockdown! So I’m having a hard time finding a job. Having to stay home and home school my children. Also I have been a server most my life. Now only able to work night’s with restrictions of closing at 9o’clock. I even applied to amazon. Smdh Losing hope. But I know God will break the devils, plans to destroy me, if anyone may help my info is on my page. Thank you God bless.❤️❤️
My favorite moment in church was when I was in Czech Republic and the speaker used the word "nesmysl" which in Czech means "nonsense." The translator doing live translation, translated it as "bullshit." It was so shocking to hear that in church - then so funny because it really captured the point well. The point is - language is arbitrary. It's silly to think certain words offend God. I think it's the tone and heart behind our words that God is concerned about.
God’s Word is the same always and forever. We should stick to what God aid from the beginning. No such thing as “progressive Christianity”. Obviously no one is perfect, but we need to try our best to be like Jesus 😌 nice video 👍🏻
I am a Christian here. Regarding the topic of cussing, I was wondering what you would say about those instances when Christ called people, "Brood of Vipers," and, "Sons of your father, the Devil." Thanks! I look forward to do a second collab video, if you would be willing to do a follow-up to this. :)
It's so tragic to see how people really fall for these beliefs while neglecting to see the truth God gave us. Thank you guys for this video, teaching orthodoxy and going on the authority of God's Word is the only way to find truth.
I WISH SOMEONE COULD EXPLAIN THIS: I'll never understand how we're told we'll have to give an account for every careless thing we speak and yet the Bible also says God removes us from our sins "as far as the east is from the west." So how do those two things jibe? If we're all required to stand before God giving accounts for all our sins that are no longer separated from us but brought before us front and center, doesn't that basically tell us what we'll be *doing* for all eternity? (Either giving our account OR standing in line to give our account and I'm only half joking.) And lastly and most importantly, if we're summoned before God to "explain ourselves" -- which we can't possibly do anyway -- doesn't that entirely negate Jesus' sacrifice on the cross? What was it all FOR if our sins are something we have to try to explain in heaven before God?
I used to have the same questions. And I found that the believers in Jesus will never have to account for one word that is said. The question that begs to be asked is, did the blood of Jesus work or not? Because it either covers all sins or none. There is no grey area. I never trust men or women to tell me the truth because I've found that nearly all humans miss something about the bible and the love of God
Saved people, believers, ones who have a real relationship with Jesus, have their sins washed away by believing, period. They will be rewarded in Heaven by the fruits they do on this earth before they are raptured into Heaven…people who reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement at the end of the melinial reign and be judged for their sins.. and cast into Hell. Forever
Try thinking of it as standing in the presense of God and being made to see your self as you are Seen. In that timeless moment you experience both the true horror of your sin and the unspeakable richness of His gracious love. Both are True. I suppose a body could say 'so long as I make the cut, it's fine'. My belief, and I don't claim to be positive I'm right, is that somebody with that attitude doesn't know God at all. Salvation is not fire insurance.
Such a beautiful discussion. Usually when these discussions are done by conservative christians...some where the idol of traditionlism is mixed in there. The next five videos are usually bashing women for preaching and for not being home with the kids. This was based totally on scripture and I can tell you both based your answer on the holy spirit & God's word. Thank you for this.
Regarding that "legal, safe, and rare" statement ...rare? Like STEAK, rare? Sounds like a "Modest Proposal". For some reason, my brain didn't process "rare" in meaning something that is scarce; it processed it to mean meat that is tender and red.
"He uses a strong word... ...and it is meant to envoke your reaction to that idea, but it wouldn't be a parallel to modern cursing." You just defined what modern swearing is. What is the difference? "Your temptation is not a sin." I'm pretty sure Jesus's sermon on the mount actively contradicts this, specifically regarding mur der and adu ltery at least.
"Swimming against the flow of god's love..."... .... I feel like I may need to be under the influence of a couple substances for that to make sense. Not everything is mellow, and I'm glad you brought up righteous wrath for when you love someone/something.
Always great discussion with Alisa. However I have a question: what is it, mostly with guys, that they feel they have to have a huge microphone in their face.?? One could make some small guy syndrome comments but that would be unfair. There is something of real class to make equipment as invisible as possible. Just throwing out a challenge here. It’s almost like: “mines bigger than yours! “
There’s a wonderful quote from the book I’m reading called Imitation of Christ (my copy says Following of Christ because it’s really old and my Grandmothers) in which it says on pg 42; “Every one, therefore, should be solicitudes about his temptations and watch in prayer, lest the devil find opportunity to catch him; who has never sleepeth, but goeth about, seeking whom he may devour.” The Holy United Catholic Church does believe in the devil and he’ll. Our pope is not our God, he does not directly dictate what we believe, our dogma of theology and the Bible (the one without removed books) that we made dictates that. I hope as Christians we can come together and profess Jesus as our Savior and Lord
How many folks who oppose the idea of God's wrath are themselves still in adolescent rebellion against their parents and remain childless and hence have no reference point for truly loving and caring for children who do wrong and need correction as a means to bring them back into a loving relationship with their parents.
Disposal of an unborn family member is sad, as well as the murder, unless sincerely it is a medical risk and you have to choose from mum or baby or one twin over another.
@@Prin_Cess_007 Yes, I've read 3 variations of your holy book one time each. I worship the One God. My God is not 3, but One. In the Qur'an, followers of Christ and Moses are called People of the Book. I respect your religion. Learning about Christianity is a huge affirmation for my belief and practice of Islam. By the way, you catch more flies with honey. Adding hearts at the end of an aggressive statement doesn't make it any less aggressive
@@thrivingwithsicklecell9210 if that were true you wouldn’t have learned anything from this video you didn’t already know. Telling you to read the Bible to know about your God is not aggressive, it’s truth. I don’t apologize that the truth , with love, offends you. I don’t offer honey, I offer truth and salvation through the only Living God. Those that want the truth and want to know God will always him. Call out to your God and call out to mine. Ask Jesus if he’s real and to show you if he is. He will know what your heart truly desires and if you really want the truth or you want to believe whatever you want to believe. This isn’t about my salvation I know I am going to heaven. Your works, your deeds, your sacrifices will not save you. Only the grace of the Messiah, the Son of God can reconcile you. Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father without him. John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them. He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might. 2 Thes ua-cam.com/video/m0jDTFyHluw/v-deo.html
@@thrivingwithsicklecell9210 it’s a good thing I’m not wagging any fingers at you. I was lost once as well. Thankfully I found the truth, Praise God. Praying for you as well.
I’m going to be starting a UA-cam channel this month to expose the lies of progressive Christianity and give the honest truth of Gods gospel and word. The younger generation needs to see more Christians stand up to the pressure to be loved and at peace with the word.
I appreciate your seemingly kind intentions, but they're often belied by the degree to which you mischaracterize, and sometimes even openly scoff, at opposing viewpoints from other Christians. You acknowledge that not minding your own words under any circumstance is a form if profanity, and yet you bear false witness by creating straw man arguments in your very next breaths, committing the very same brand of profanity you just condemned. Accurate characterization of a position, even if it's still one you're going to critique or reject, is so important. Please be more careful.
@@HPC2004 Just to give one example, the characterization of arguments by progressive Christians on abortions was incorrect. No one in that circle believes that an abortion is anything but a tragic loss of life. The progressive arguments are that (1) sometimes living in a fallen world puts us in positions where we have to make ethical decisions where there are only wrong/sinful answers, and in those cases the freedom to make the best/least destructive decisions has to lie with the mother, family, and medical folks on the ground who know the situation. (2) Attacking the matter of abortion primarily through legislation is the wrong method, because it doesn't do enough to address the reasons women consent to them in the first place. By their own definition of profanity (i.e. failing to properly mind the words that come out of one's own mouth to the detriment of others), this is profanity, since it bears false witness.
I haven't watched your program before, and the first thing I noticed now was your logo. It immediately was a reminder of Nero's cross and the so-called "peace" - sign, Ms. Childers. Any comment from you on this?
Not Christian but having watched a few of Mike's videos he comes across as a nice guy and not relying on mocking other faiths to preach christianity. Very hard to find those who don't twist gods word to serve man or trump loving-gun toting-Israel mad Christians. In this day and age we have so much sin being forced upon us and anyone who believes in god is pushed to accept subjective morality or deemed bigoted.
I love reading comments by non-Christians on these kinds of videos! By the way, I found your observation that Mike is refreshing because he isn’t a pro-Trump, gun-toting, etc Christian. I feel like most Christians aren’t like this haha! I’m a physicist at a state research university on the California coast, and I’m a Christian (who agrees with Mike on 99% of theological issues, if that gives you an indication of what I believe). Most of us are reasonable, intellectual, mild-manner folks who love Jesus and the Word of God and are critical of much of secular society!
By the way the" therapeutic abortion" was just to take a drug used for stomach problems that has a side effect of uterine contractions so it was not invasive at all and my daughter was still born and I was able to hold her and say my hellos and goodbyes.
re: cussing: I think as one refines his speech he generally refrains from using profane speech. The more erudite one becomes the more ridiculous and crude many of our standard cuss words and phrases become......... I doubt seriously if letting loose and occasional "hell" or "damn" when you hit your thumb with a hammer is going to condemn you, if you mock the Holy Spirit, that is another story altogether, and I am afraid that in my first collegiate days, I had done so mon one occasion......for which I pray for forgiveness constantly.
38:22. No. What they actually meant was that in a world where no-one can possibly be sure which religion is the one true religion, no one will be condemned for making the best choice they could given the circumstances in which we all find ourselves (wherein it is impossible to be 100% certain that any one religion is true or false).
Cussing is a sin sin sin sin sin. Cussing is nothing but a sin sin sin. Life and death is in the power of the tongue. Known that since I was 10. Never been confused about it. God hates sin. Out of the mouth the heart speaks. Amen. Good vid.
As a conservative Christian, I find the response to Q7 about "picking Christianity" and the "sinners prayer", confusing. Our response to the claims of Jesus is crucial, for He is "the stumbling stone" that will make men fall. But "He who believes in Him will not be disappointed". Romans 9:33. And "if we confess with our mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved". Romans 10:9-13. Does that not sound a little like "the sinners prayer?" I'm not a Calvinist. Elsewhere, we are told that there is a cost to being a disciple of Jesus (eg. Luke 14: 25-35) and that we must persevere in the faith. (eg. Romans 11:19-22) But if a "sinners prayer" included these elements (which it usually doesn't) I would expect that we would pass from death to life, "the moment we first believe'. Also, to knowingly reject the Gospel (Jesus) is more than "just another sin". (John 3:18)
11:35 "It's not a sin to NOT vote republican" In the current US political party pool there really isn't many options for Christians to go on with a clear conscience. If you go with the Democrats, you vote for anti-Biblical policies such as pro-choice, pro-LGBT (i.e. puberty blockers for kids!), etc. (not to mention many authoritarian stances that can cause churches to stay closed but strip clubs to remain open). If you don't vote Republican or Democrats what are you left with? Green party? That's so left leaning that you might just as well put up the hammer and sickle and sing the USSR anthem. The only "alternative" that a Christian could MAYBE go with is Libertarian and they are just very secular in nature. You do you and I do me, kind of vibe. So yeah, Republican it is then, I guess. But on a side note, in my country we have over 100 political parties to choose from (not nationally) but what it boils down to is that you have top 5 political parties that dominate and the rest fill the 1% gap so to speak (and yeah, pretty much all useless IMHO).
Voting Democrat doesn’t necessarily mean voting for those things. You’re voting for someone who supports them, but if you step back, you’ll see that voting Republican doesn’t magically make abortion go away. It will place restrictions on abortion, but the practice can still be done illegally. It happens anyway. Gotta change hearts before behaviors.
@@Window4503 let me try and understand, what would be a good reason to vote for a party that you do not agree with, especially when they have policies that contradict your value system? Are you not adding your approval to their beliefs, policies and values by voting for them and thus giving them more power to do so? No political party is perfect and no where can things be abolished by just a wave of a pen. I get that you can't change what people want through policy change but I don't think you can just avoid voting either.
I was raised by people who cussed like sailors. Unfortunately I have a brain wasting disease and the things that come out of my mouth are sometimes not even the words that were going through my head. For example, someone sneezes and rather than saying "bless you" I said "blast you"! Reprogramming myself isn't possible. Or I think "I need you to vacuum the floor" but say "Will you mow the floor for me?". No matter what, swear words are the thing that pop out of my mouth and people say it reflects the state of my heart... I think it reflects the damaged brain process that is controlling my language centers. I think God understands this.. do you think He does?
Yes, God understands more than anyone what is going on in your life. Jesus didn't come to condemn us but to save us. Don't worry. It has nothing to do with the state of your heart when your brain is having problems. .I have a personality disorder and when my anger comes out of no where I cuss like a sailor. I always felt bad because I knew God didn't like it, but I've come to realize that sometimes I have no control and I take comfort knowing God knows the whole story
Bringing your own "jesus" along is the same as building your golden calf and putting it on a cart. "Here is our god, that brought us out of the wilderness!" And he came with this convenient cart so I can pull him around wherever I want to. No more following that pillar of cloud and fire!
Hell is not just place where non believers reside after they pass but where they pay for their sins here on earth. I feel as Christians we don’t express this enough. When you are before God when you pass, you are faced with all the sins you’ve committed on Earth. Jesus is your attorney and without salvation you have no attorney so you face the full wrath of God as well as a separation from His love. Even non-believers who don’t know it experience God’s love and without His love alone it’s torturous.
I paused the segment where you said that Gods wrath is sometimes punitive. Could you please expand on that some more in regards to Believers? I know that it is for Unbelievers, but I thought Believers are not subject to the wrath of God and that for a Believer Gods anger would be corrective and to bring us back in to alignment with His will. Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Thank you 😊
One way to measure cussing is when you hear someone who cusses a lot and their are many other fruits that are not Christ like then the greatest likelihood is they are not a christian and should disgust and repel us from those examples as true christians.
Really sad to see Alisa and Pastor Mike get #3 so wrong. In Reagan’s First Epistle to the Americans, it clearly reads, “Thou shalt vote Republican.” (1 Am 17:76) The Nearly Inspired Version (NIV) does not show the big-R capitalisation, but it is present in the Hebrew text. Also, the writer* tells us, “Lo, thou shalt stray neither to the Left nor to the Libertarian, but thy ticket shall be straight.” (2 Am 5:56) Alisa and Pastor Mike need to repent in sackcloth and ashes for this heresy. What’s next?!? “Debts” instead of “Trespasses”, no doubt. *Saint Ronaldus Magnus to our Latin and Greek brethren...we Protestants shy away from canonisation.
When I hear these arguments all I can think of is Galatians 1:8. These people believe in a different gospel. They are currently accursed from God. May they please repent of their beliefs and truly come to God on his terms. Doug Stoliker
I enjoyed your commentaries. It is sad that there are "so called Christian's who actually believe this. I think it's a way of avoiding the truth. Thank you for your ministry.
Spirituality = changing your lifestyle to accommodate the Word
Progressive Christianity = changing the Word to accommodate your lifestyle
Nothing. But. Straight. Facts.
I would like to add one:
Pride = expecting God to accept your good works as a bribe so He might overlook the fact of your sin, as opposed to:
Humility = trusting to be saved through Jesus Christ.
Very well put sam
I would say "conform to" versus accomodate in both cases.
I'm trying to hold onto Biblical truths taught to me, of which I believed my whole adult life, while being surrounded by progressive Christians. I know very few Christians in my area that are not progressive. Podcasts like this are fresh air for me and helps me know I am not really alone on what was once just a given of universal Biblical truths.
Keep at it. It's vital to keep true to scripture, not human tradition.
I would encourage you to try and find a good church. One where the pastor isn't a fantastically wealthy snake oil salesman.
I thank God for you Marcus! For staying faithful to God ,to Jesus his son,you have within you the Holyspirit of God that dwells in you til Jesus comes to get us,wether in the rapture or death,we have the Holyspirit and you will never ever be alone😍
Ephesians 1:13 in whom (Jesus) you also trusted,after that you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation,in whom (Jesus)also after you believed you were sealed with that Holyspirit of promise. 14) which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession ,unto the praise of his glory.
It's sad you believe in things without evidence!
cussing is one of my struggles i know its sinful because the holy spirit beats on my heart when i do it.
You can overcome! If you remove media that uses curse words from your life it’s a lot easier for those things to no longer come out of your mouth...cause it’s not going in.
When you show to be trustworthy and faithful to God in these little things he will set you over large things more significant things more and more into eternity!
That's called a heartbeat my dude
I pray God gives u the grace n strength to stop 🙏🏿
How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit? I’m not being skeptical of you, I’m genuinely curious. My experience has been feeling really bad about something like right after or even AS you are doing it. Then you repent of it.
It did give me reassurance, but I nearly fell away. I was so arrogant I didn’t even realize how bad it was. I went back to old sins. I knew it was wrong. I’ve repented of them now, but I’m still very scared. I’ve been praying and reading and asking for forgiveness. I keep finding so much evil in my heart.
Progressive Christianity: God serves man, not the other way around.
Exactly. "God exists for the happiness of man." No good can come from such a belief!
Their god is too small.
God has served man! It is awe-ful!
Sheesh🔥🔥🔥
@@Jamie-Russell-CME I don't know precisely what you mean by that but so far as it's true that Jesus came and served us, washed feet and died for us... well that doesn't make me think I'm a big deal, that humbles me and makes me want to serve Him and be devoted to Him. If that's what you mean then ditto
Lets remember to convict our brothers and sisters with grace. It’s too easy for us to get offended and passionate when we encounter believers who’s perception of the gospel isn’t sound. However, Jesus always led with love when he called for repentance. Instead of berating those who may be ill informed. Pray for them and offer biblical resources to help rebuild their faith.
Or just let people live their lives in peace. Leave them alone, they’re unburdened by your fear and are wise enough to know a “rebuilding of faith” would mean imprisonment of their soul under the toxic and judgmental eye of self-serving leaders set on convincing you not to think for yourself and to follow them without question.
@@mads597 I don’t necessarily agree with you but I do respect your opinion and one else’s. Like in many religions there’s leaders who take advantage of their platform/position. However the focus of Christianity isn’t about them it’s about having a relationship with God. When I refer to helping people rebuild their faith i’m specifically referencing to people within the community and who you have a relationship with. I do agree that it’s unrealistic to hold other people to the principles of your religion if they don’t believe in it.
Mike is a breath of fresh air.
“My prayers are powerless and weak” most freeing thing I have heard in a long time!!!
Yes!! Oh man, that caught my attention!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
I hope Mike reads your comment and all the ones that praises him.
Romans 12:2
John 15:19
You must not pray to God Yahweh and His Christ Yeshua(Jesus) because He has said that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avails much (James 5:16); it means that the prayers of the righteous are powerful, because the One they pray to is all-powerful and all the promises of God are in Him(Christ) yes and amen[2 Corinthians 1:20] and we know that if we pray according to His will then we have what we pray for [Mark 11:23-26; 1 John 5:14-15].
My husband is a deputy and I just had that image of him dealing with a suspect and telling them, "You are swimming against the flow of my love." Oh my gosh, that was just plain funny! Even being funny, it was a great example of punitive justice.
Lololol!
😂🤦🏼♀️😂
Correction: with pregnancy complications, it's not that you're killing one to save the other, it's that you are saving one and failing, due to inadequate medical technology, to save the other. The difference is that the latter isn't actively killing the one, which would be murder, which is a philosophically important distinction.
Note: I believe this is Mike's view and that he simply misstated it in the moment, which is something we all do. I only posted this to clarify for any one who runs across this so that they have a more accurate understanding of what was probably meant as there are many people who would simply point to what he said and say that Mike Winger said it's ok to kill babies when he isn't saying that at all.
Yes!
That is perfectly stated! I think a change in the vocabulary we use may help with this distinction.
When both lives are in danger, then the baby should be “delivered” as opposed to “aborted” and all attempts should be made to save both lives.
Whenever people tell me that sometimes they have to abort baby to save mum. I say no, they birth baby. There is no reason to kill baby first, then birth it.
I hope you are right because I was just going to comment on it.
No, you don't kill someone because "they are going to die anyway" then we're supporting euthanasia which is no better than abortion
In a situation where the baby will die no matter what you do terminating the pregnancy to save the mother's life is morally justified, perhaps even required. I can buy that.
If the police put everyone who "did bad stuff" in prison, everyone would be in prison. Cool analogy
Finally someone not justifying sin so that we feel better.
Modern Christianity is all about focusing on "how those other Christians are doing it wrong" instead of taking an honest appraisal of the faith and why its in decline.
The thing is if what these 'Christians' are teaching is unbiblical and they are doing it in the name of Christ and Christianity and they are bringing alot of people into their heresies then we need to speak out against it.
If there are people with a following that are teaching people things that are not of God, we need to address them because they are like Shepherds that are not feeding their flocks.
These videos are to keep people from falling into traps and teachings that are against God and to bring people to knowledge of the true God of the bible and of the gospel.
Nonetheless I agree that it is a focus, and we should NEVER lose sight of Christ, but it is a work that needs to be done. But we should always be striving to know the heart of God and to understand the gospel better and bring people closer.
@@edtachiri The word heresy is meaningless in 2020, it implies there is a true orthodox church that is in contact with God. The world has 1000's of variations of Christianity with their own version of orthodoxy and none of them seem to have access to any of the super powers granted in the Bible, or be significantly different from each other, certainly nothing like the church in Acts. According to most Jews the New Testament is a Heresy, they like most Europeans and rational people everywhere find it a conflicted mess, you actually need a strong imagination to pull together any kind of orthodoxy.
@@LukeVidler I agree. There are alot of heresies in the church. But that doesn't mean men of God should not call them out. Even if they are small. And we should be praying for reform in the body of Christ.
Nonetheless, when there are DAMNABLE heresies, then if no-one says anything I would be shocked and wrathful. Heresies are bad enough. But damnable heresies are sending people straight to hell.
@@LukeVidler Vague appeals to popular belief does not an argument make.
The hard truth is that Christ does not approve of abortion, divorce, gay marriage, artificial birth control and sex outside marriage.
I just want to say how I appreciate you, Mike and other bible reading christians putting out theses types of videos. They are both challenging and encouraging.
Love Mike Winger and Alisa Childers! Both of them helped my wife and I during COVID. Another Gospel is a must read guys if you haven't read it. Thanks for the work you both are during for the Kingdom.
I have been following Mike's preaching, then I went here :)
Thank you for putting this content out. I'm so glad I've found you and Mike Winger. I used to go to Bryan Zhand"s church 15 years ago but left because something sounded off in the preaching. I just couldn't figure out what it was. Now to hear some of what he says I understand why it didn't sit well with me.
So glad I discovered your Podcasts. Thank you.
"It's never safe, a human life is killed in every successful abortion", maybe the best quote of the entire video.
With every time you don't have sex your killing your sperm and taking the chance of a child to live away by thay logic.
@@nikkialkema1032 Sorry, I don't know what logic you are using there, but it makes no sense. Fertilization creates a new human being, its science, its repeatable and testable, we have at least 7 Billion living examples. Not one was born of just sperm or just an egg. From the moment of conception you have a human with unique DNA that if allowed to develop will become a living baby under most circumstances. If the fertilization is unviable in most circumstances the pregnancy will terminate itself very early, even before the mother knows she's pregnant many times. So by the time a mother knows she's pregnant, most of those are viable human beings that will be born alive, if allowed. There is a big difference between preventing pregnancy and terminating pregnancy.
@@edcorps2876 The child is by conseption as alive as a plant it doesn't feel a thing from the abortion and what if the mother was raped nobody would like living knowing they only exist because of rape and what if the mother is only thirteen or somthing like that the chance the kid survives is small and the chance the mother survives is even smaller both of them can feel it it then and your killing two people. If you have a problem with abortions you should also be so hardcore vegan you don't even eat plants. I don't know you personaly but most "pro life" people only want more children so they can do they dirty work when they grow up. These conservatives only care about themselves. You said that we have 7 billion living examples but what about all the miscarriges. The reason there is less of these now is because of abortion. Why carry a child for nine months if they are gonna die anyway, that way they're just gonna suffer. And what if you live somewhere where people are starving? You can't breastfeed if you don't have enough food. Or will you just let them die once they're born? If someone can't take care of kids they shoudn't have them either, but I do agree that if you can take care of them, are in good health and you are old enough and are not raped you should just get your kid.
@@nikkialkema1032 Let me just point out a couple of things. You speak of rape, but yet you lower humans to the level of animals and plants. How is it that you can find rape immoral if I should be a "hardcore vegan" because killing animals is basically the same as killing humans? And how is it that rape is immoral if a baby at conception is 'nothing more than a plant'? I can't see from your own logic how you could find genocide, rape, starvation, or any of these things immoral. Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Does it even cross their mind? Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? It might make things easier, but they certainly don't care if they can accomplish their goal. If you don't see the sanctity of human life then I don't see how you could be outraged about any of these other things. There are plenty of mothers that have children born out of rape that would tell you they are glad they did not terminate, I think the majority that kept their babies would tell you that. Why? Because the human being that is born is not the human being that did them wrong. They see the innocent baby, they raise them, they see that those children love them and they find satisfaction even in the pain. Why because they value that human being, even under the circumstances to which they were brought into the world. Human life is precious and if you can't see that, then you are not going to see anything except through the lens of self fulfilment. The Bible tells us that all humans are made in the image of God and have intrinsic worth, if that's not true, then your morality and moral arguments have no basis.
@@edcorps2876 Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Yes, elefhants, dogs, cats, foxes, wolves and many other species care, cats even care about other species and have been known to adopt dogs. Does it even cross their mind? Yes. Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? Wolves, foxes (though not all foxes cuz animals are people) and swans do and there are other species who care.
Rape is immoral because you have sex with someone who doesn't want to not because of the child. I think it is great that people are willing to raise a child that came from rape but it is the mothers choice and no one elses telling people what to do is immoral. The bible tells us that humans are made in the immage of God you say, but the bible also says that those humans got kicked out of paradise for a reason. And my point with the plants was just that they don't feel and neither does the abborted "baby" because they're not a human jet, and killing one of them is as immoral as killing a plant. Besides you say that I level humans down to animals jet humans tigers and some kinds of snakes are the only species who kill eachother so how great are humans really, I am not bringing humans down I am telling the truth, there is no need for more humans on this planet. Mankind is the species that started sin. I don't think we should go extinct just don't say we're in Gods image as we were once.
Thank you for having these discussions and bringing clarity to those who are being led astray by false teachers/teachings. Being a part of the younger generation it’s scary to see these gradual changes within the church and it happens so subtly that most people don’t catch it and start to accept things that Jesus does not want for us. Again, thank you!
Nice bookshelf there young man. Nice to see a happy face. Scholars can be so seriously minded. Truth makes you happy n smile. And also truth is so simple.
I highly appreciate the clarity and conciseness of these answers. It takes knowing WHY something is wrong to provide any quick answer that is effective and defensible.
God bless you both. Thank you for not submitting to the world. Thank you for standing up for the Lord
Two of my FAVOURITES!!
Progressive Christianity is not Christianity. It's false.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Do is conservative Christianity that has embraced politics over the Christ.
@William Wertz
Jesus has a God
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz
Jesus has a God
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
At 18:05, I can relate. I used to have a real road rage problem when I was younger and I worked on it to the point where my anger turned to concern and I was praying for safe travels for the folks I would have flipped off before. Then my son was born. Suddenly, I took such offense at dangerous driving habits around me, because they were endangering my son in the car with me, that I felt incensed, a violent wrath I haven't felt before. I'm still working on it, but your comment about how parental love can lead to wrath brought it to my mind.
Thankful for both of you. Have been following both of you. True warriors for the faith. Praying God blesses your outreach.
Two of my favourite truth talkers. Thank you Alisa and Mike. 🙏 God bless.
I don't think you know what truth is. It's not just a word like in the Bible.
The following statement has impacted me greatly, though you may not see it initially. Here it is and I pray that it resounds with you as it has with me. "How we live matters" say that with meaning then as you read your Bible and look around at everything that is around you, that statement may just make you really think about everything you do and say. God bless all of you.
The thoughts of Richard Rohr amaze me. How can he say Hell is "theologically impossible" when millions (perhaps billions) of people including well-trained Biblical scholars and pastors have had no theological problem with it for thousands of years.
i firmly believe that most of the items on this list stem from a desire to embrace "love/compassion" at the expense of truth...this has been the dna of way too many fellow believers i've encountered over the past decade or so....very disturbing and dangerous trend in American churches...
Exactly!!! I agree.
As a Christian anytime we have to question whether about homosexuality or abortion or cursing we already know it's wrong
So thankful for both of these amazing saints. Alisa, you have encouraged me so much already and I only just found you this week. You are an answer to prayer.
At 4:50 on cussing. I'm more concerned about behaviours than words. I see sanctimonious Christians who have abusive behaviours, committing adultery and paedophiles criticising people who cuss.
We should uphold both. Purity in speech and behavior. Be holy as your Heavenly Father is Holy. With God & fellowship of His Spirit... it’s possible
That's you. But God judges both.
@@Eric-dd8bk Does God judge paedophilia as being worse than cussing?
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir
Can't recall the exact verse, but God said, you break one law, you've broken all laws.
Meaning the wage of sin is the same no matter whatever sin it is.
Of course, God saves both if they repent too.
@@Eric-dd8bk I'm sure the scriptures don't say that. So, if I cuss that makes me a paedophile, murderer, adulterer, homosexual et al. Somehow, I don't think so. You had better find the scripture and quote it in context.
The point regarding the 4 methods of interpretation is a practice called the quadriga. This was popular back in the Middle Ages and has come back to life in the progressive Christianity movement as an abandonment of literal interpretation. People either feel the Word of God is infallible or it’s fallible, I tend to think that actual believers understand God’s true nature of infallibility and inerrancy.
Is it just me or do progressive Christians not actually believe in God or Jesus?
I so appreciate both of you-your honest, grace filled, biblical answers to the confusion and deceptions in the culture is so refreshing. This conversation in particular has been very helpful. I'm thankful that God is moving in the hearts of His people to really stand firm on the Gospel and biblical truth especially as we see the enemy moving to deceive the masses. Keep up the great work.
This has become one of my favourite podcasts. Thank you. God bless
During this time me and my children are
going threw hell and that is not a metaphor because of the pandemic like many others, first my job, soon my home. It’s only because of the kindness of strangers I still have a roof over our my head. Now we are under another lockdown! So I’m having a hard time finding a job. Having to stay home and home school my children. Also I have been a server most my life. Now only able to work night’s with restrictions of closing at 9o’clock. I even applied to amazon. Smdh Losing hope. But I know God will break the devils, plans to destroy me, if anyone may help my info is on my page. Thank you God bless.❤️❤️
Very courageous. I pray God carries you through this time. 💕
Pray for you
Another fantastic episode! I cannot wait for the second part! ❤️
How thoughtful of UA-cam to slap a righthink context note on this video.
I am almost finished reading this great book.
Great resource 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Thanks Alisa and Mike 🙏🏻 ✝️ ❤️
My favorite moment in church was when I was in Czech Republic and the speaker used the word "nesmysl" which in Czech means "nonsense." The translator doing live translation, translated it as "bullshit." It was so shocking to hear that in church - then so funny because it really captured the point well. The point is - language is arbitrary. It's silly to think certain words offend God. I think it's the tone and heart behind our words that God is concerned about.
God’s Word is the same always and forever. We should stick to what God aid from the beginning. No such thing as “progressive Christianity”. Obviously no one is perfect, but we need to try our best to be like Jesus 😌 nice video 👍🏻
I am a Christian here. Regarding the topic of cussing, I was wondering what you would say about those instances when Christ called people, "Brood of Vipers," and, "Sons of your father, the Devil." Thanks! I look forward to do a second collab video, if you would be willing to do a follow-up to this. :)
It's so tragic to see how people really fall for these beliefs while neglecting to see the truth God gave us. Thank you guys for this video, teaching orthodoxy and going on the authority of God's Word is the only way to find truth.
“Imagine a society where the police don't arrest criminals…” Watching this 2 years later and wow, does this subscribe the world we live in today.
I WISH SOMEONE COULD EXPLAIN THIS: I'll never understand how we're told we'll have to give an account for every careless thing we speak and yet the Bible also says God removes us from our sins "as far as the east is from the west." So how do those two things jibe? If we're all required to stand before God giving accounts for all our sins that are no longer separated from us but brought before us front and center, doesn't that basically tell us what we'll be *doing* for all eternity? (Either giving our account OR standing in line to give our account and I'm only half joking.) And lastly and most importantly, if we're summoned before God to "explain ourselves" -- which we can't possibly do anyway -- doesn't that entirely negate Jesus' sacrifice on the cross? What was it all FOR if our sins are something we have to try to explain in heaven before God?
I used to have the same questions. And I found that the believers in Jesus will never have to account for one word that is said. The question that begs to be asked is, did the blood of Jesus work or not? Because it either covers all sins or none. There is no grey area. I never trust men or women to tell me the truth because I've found that nearly all humans miss something about the bible and the love of God
You could ask this on Mike Wingers Q and A, I don't have an answer either. I always thought believers stand for eternal rewards not for sins.
Saved people, believers, ones who have a real relationship with Jesus, have their sins washed away by believing, period. They will be rewarded in Heaven by the fruits they do on this earth before they are raptured into Heaven…people who reject Jesus as their Lord and Savior will stand before the Great White Throne of Judgement at the end of the melinial reign and be judged for their sins.. and cast into Hell. Forever
Try thinking of it as standing in the presense of God and being made to see your self as you are Seen. In that timeless moment you experience both the true horror of your sin and the unspeakable richness of His gracious love. Both are True. I suppose a body could say 'so long as I make the cut, it's fine'. My belief, and I don't claim to be positive I'm right, is that somebody with that attitude doesn't know God at all. Salvation is not fire insurance.
Such a beautiful discussion. Usually when these discussions are done by conservative christians...some where the idol of traditionlism is mixed in there. The next five videos are usually bashing women for preaching and for not being home with the kids. This was based totally on scripture and I can tell you both based your answer on the holy spirit & God's word. Thank you for this.
Regarding that "legal, safe, and rare" statement ...rare? Like STEAK, rare? Sounds like a "Modest Proposal". For some reason, my brain didn't process "rare" in meaning something that is scarce; it processed it to mean meat that is tender and red.
It’s like battling an atheist when confronting progressive views
Found Bible Thinker when it was a very small channel, so happy to see it's growth and Mike Winger is amazing.
I want to "care deeply about what comes out of my mouth". Love it
"He uses a strong word... ...and it is meant to envoke your reaction to that idea, but it wouldn't be a parallel to modern cursing."
You just defined what modern swearing is. What is the difference?
"Your temptation is not a sin."
I'm pretty sure Jesus's sermon on the mount actively contradicts this, specifically regarding mur der and adu ltery at least.
"Swimming against the flow of god's love..."... .... I feel like I may need to be under the influence of a couple substances for that to make sense. Not everything is mellow, and I'm glad you brought up righteous wrath for when you love someone/something.
You do know that you sound like a mad person, right? Righteous wrath? Seriously? ;-)
This is a wonderful resource for the modern day church. Thank you folks.
Two of my favorite people together. So excited for this.
great vid, guys...more people need to watch these to be aware of the wolves at our gates...
It's great to get clear courageous teaching. Thank you.
This is so good. I appreciate all of this so so much.
Thanks alisa and Mike. Godbless you guys... thanks you for these very relevant and valuable information
They don't even say "Safe, Legal, Rare" anymore. They just say "Safe & Legal".
Bruxy Cavey seems to put "my wrath" in place of God's in the atonement picture also.
Always great discussion with Alisa.
However I have a question: what is it, mostly with guys, that they feel they have to have a huge microphone in their face.?? One could make some small guy syndrome comments but that would be unfair. There is something of real class to make equipment as invisible as possible. Just throwing out a challenge here.
It’s almost like: “mines bigger than yours! “
I love you guys, two thumbs up, but PLEASE give the Gospel of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, so people KNOW "wherein they stand".
Well that was so enlightening , After watching this , I pretty convinced thatI have no reason to be on this planet anymore thank you guys very much
What gave you that idea?
There’s a wonderful quote from the book I’m reading called Imitation of Christ (my copy says Following of Christ because it’s really old and my Grandmothers) in which it says on pg 42;
“Every one, therefore, should be solicitudes about his temptations and watch in prayer, lest the devil find opportunity to catch him; who has never sleepeth, but goeth about, seeking whom he may devour.”
The Holy United Catholic Church does believe in the devil and he’ll. Our pope is not our God, he does not directly dictate what we believe, our dogma of theology and the Bible (the one without removed books) that we made dictates that. I hope as Christians we can come together and profess Jesus as our Savior and Lord
How many folks who oppose the idea of God's wrath are themselves still in adolescent rebellion against their parents and remain childless and hence have no reference point for truly loving and caring for children who do wrong and need correction as a means to bring them back into a loving relationship with their parents.
3. I can most certainly tie voting Republican as drastically more biblically aligned than the alternative.
Disposal of an unborn family member is sad, as well as the murder, unless sincerely it is a medical risk and you have to choose from mum or baby or one twin over another.
I don't know how I got here, I'm Muslim. Nonetheless, it was really interesting and I learned a lot about your religion.
Read the Bible start with Luke & you will learn a lot more about YOUR God & Savior! ♥️♥️♥️♥️
@@Prin_Cess_007 Yes, I've read 3 variations of your holy book one time each. I worship the One God. My God is not 3, but One. In the Qur'an, followers of Christ and Moses are called People of the Book. I respect your religion. Learning about Christianity is a huge affirmation for my belief and practice of Islam. By the way, you catch more flies with honey. Adding hearts at the end of an aggressive statement doesn't make it any less aggressive
@@thrivingwithsicklecell9210 if that were true you wouldn’t have learned anything from this video you didn’t already know. Telling you to read the Bible to know about your God is not aggressive, it’s truth. I don’t apologize that the truth , with love, offends you. I don’t offer honey, I offer truth and salvation through the only Living God. Those that want the truth and want to know God will always him. Call out to your God and call out to mine. Ask Jesus if he’s real and to show you if he is. He will know what your heart truly desires and if you really want the truth or you want to believe whatever you want to believe. This isn’t about my salvation I know I am going to heaven.
Your works, your deeds, your sacrifices will not save you. Only the grace of the Messiah, the Son of God can reconcile you.
Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father without him.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might. 2 Thes
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@@Prin_Cess_007 ummm...ok. I tend to avoid people with aggressive finger-wagging energy, so bye. Have a blessed life.
@@thrivingwithsicklecell9210 it’s a good thing I’m not wagging any fingers at you. I was lost once as well. Thankfully I found the truth, Praise God. Praying for you as well.
Thanks to both of you!
I’m going to be starting a UA-cam channel this month to expose the lies of progressive Christianity and give the honest truth of Gods gospel and word. The younger generation needs to see more Christians stand up to the pressure to be loved and at peace with the word.
Wonderful!!
Good luck
I appreciate your seemingly kind intentions, but they're often belied by the degree to which you mischaracterize, and sometimes even openly scoff, at opposing viewpoints from other Christians. You acknowledge that not minding your own words under any circumstance is a form if profanity, and yet you bear false witness by creating straw man arguments in your very next breaths, committing the very same brand of profanity you just condemned. Accurate characterization of a position, even if it's still one you're going to critique or reject, is so important. Please be more careful.
Could you tell me what said was a mischaracterization of other viewpoints of Christianity and how he profaned
@@HPC2004 Just to give one example, the characterization of arguments by progressive Christians on abortions was incorrect. No one in that circle believes that an abortion is anything but a tragic loss of life. The progressive arguments are that (1) sometimes living in a fallen world puts us in positions where we have to make ethical decisions where there are only wrong/sinful answers, and in those cases the freedom to make the best/least destructive decisions has to lie with the mother, family, and medical folks on the ground who know the situation. (2) Attacking the matter of abortion primarily through legislation is the wrong method, because it doesn't do enough to address the reasons women consent to them in the first place. By their own definition of profanity (i.e. failing to properly mind the words that come out of one's own mouth to the detriment of others), this is profanity, since it bears false witness.
Whats the difference between an atheist and a "progressive christian"
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An atheist doesn't pretend to believe in Jesus
Honestly, yeah. I’m gonna go have a crisis now
Love Mike. Very humble and knowledge.
I haven't watched your program before, and the first thing I noticed now was your logo. It immediately was a reminder of Nero's cross and the so-called "peace" - sign, Ms. Childers. Any comment from you on this?
Not Christian but having watched a few of Mike's videos he comes across as a nice guy and not relying on mocking other faiths to preach christianity. Very hard to find those who don't twist gods word to serve man or trump loving-gun toting-Israel mad Christians. In this day and age we have so much sin being forced upon us and anyone who believes in god is pushed to accept subjective morality or deemed bigoted.
I love reading comments by non-Christians on these kinds of videos! By the way, I found your observation that Mike is refreshing because he isn’t a pro-Trump, gun-toting, etc Christian. I feel like most Christians aren’t like this haha!
I’m a physicist at a state research university on the California coast, and I’m a Christian (who agrees with Mike on 99% of theological issues, if that gives you an indication of what I believe). Most of us are reasonable, intellectual, mild-manner folks who love Jesus and the Word of God and are critical of much of secular society!
She just said she's a sinner ("we're all sinners")?! That makes her a progressive Christian herself! Wow....
Great episode.
By the way the" therapeutic abortion" was just to take a drug used for stomach problems that has a side effect of uterine contractions so it was not invasive at all and my daughter was still born and I was able to hold her and say my hellos and goodbyes.
re: cussing: I think as one refines his speech he generally refrains from using profane speech. The more erudite one becomes the more ridiculous and crude many of our standard cuss words and phrases become......... I doubt seriously if letting loose and occasional "hell" or "damn" when you hit your thumb with a hammer is going to condemn you, if you mock the Holy Spirit, that is another story altogether, and I am afraid that in my first collegiate days, I had done so mon one occasion......for which I pray for forgiveness constantly.
38:22. No. What they actually meant was that in a world where no-one can possibly be sure which religion is the one true religion, no one will be condemned for making the best choice they could given the circumstances in which we all find ourselves (wherein it is impossible to be 100% certain that any one religion is true or false).
God’s justice is ONLY punitive for the unsaved. It is both punitive AND restorative for the saved, depending on many factors.
Cussing is a sin sin sin sin sin. Cussing is nothing but a sin sin sin. Life and death is in the power of the tongue. Known that since I was 10. Never been confused about it. God hates sin. Out of the mouth the heart speaks. Amen. Good vid.
As a conservative Christian, I find the response to Q7 about "picking Christianity" and the "sinners prayer", confusing. Our response to the claims of Jesus is crucial, for He is "the stumbling stone" that will make men fall. But "He who believes in Him will not be disappointed". Romans 9:33. And "if we confess with our mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in our heart that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved". Romans 10:9-13. Does that not sound a little like "the sinners prayer?" I'm not a Calvinist. Elsewhere, we are told that there is a cost to being a disciple of Jesus (eg. Luke 14: 25-35) and that we must persevere in the faith. (eg. Romans 11:19-22) But if a "sinners prayer" included these elements (which it usually doesn't) I would expect that we would pass from death to life, "the moment we first believe'. Also, to knowingly reject the Gospel (Jesus) is more than "just another sin". (John 3:18)
Love is wrath. Never thought of it like that.
11:35 "It's not a sin to NOT vote republican"
In the current US political party pool there really isn't many options for Christians to go on with a clear conscience.
If you go with the Democrats, you vote for anti-Biblical policies such as pro-choice, pro-LGBT (i.e. puberty blockers for kids!), etc. (not to mention many authoritarian stances that can cause churches to stay closed but strip clubs to remain open).
If you don't vote Republican or Democrats what are you left with? Green party? That's so left leaning that you might just as well put up the hammer and sickle and sing the USSR anthem.
The only "alternative" that a Christian could MAYBE go with is Libertarian and they are just very secular in nature. You do you and I do me, kind of vibe.
So yeah, Republican it is then, I guess.
But on a side note, in my country we have over 100 political parties to choose from (not nationally) but what it boils down to is that you have top 5 political parties that dominate and the rest fill the 1% gap so to speak (and yeah, pretty much all useless IMHO).
Voting Democrat doesn’t necessarily mean voting for those things. You’re voting for someone who supports them, but if you step back, you’ll see that voting Republican doesn’t magically make abortion go away. It will place restrictions on abortion, but the practice can still be done illegally. It happens anyway. Gotta change hearts before behaviors.
@@Window4503 let me try and understand, what would be a good reason to vote for a party that you do not agree with, especially when they have policies that contradict your value system? Are you not adding your approval to their beliefs, policies and values by voting for them and thus giving them more power to do so? No political party is perfect and no where can things be abolished by just a wave of a pen. I get that you can't change what people want through policy change but I don't think you can just avoid voting either.
I was raised by people who cussed like sailors. Unfortunately I have a brain wasting disease and the things that come out of my mouth are sometimes not even the words that were going through my head. For example, someone sneezes and rather than saying "bless you" I said "blast you"! Reprogramming myself isn't possible. Or I think "I need you to vacuum the floor" but say "Will you mow the floor for me?". No matter what, swear words are the thing that pop out of my mouth and people say it reflects the state of my heart... I think it reflects the damaged brain process that is controlling my language centers. I think God understands this.. do you think He does?
Yes, God understands more than anyone what is going on in your life. Jesus didn't come to condemn us but to save us. Don't worry. It has nothing to do with the state of your heart when your brain is having problems. .I have a personality disorder and when my anger comes out of no where I cuss like a sailor. I always felt bad because I knew God didn't like it, but I've come to realize that sometimes I have no control and I take comfort knowing God knows the whole story
@@vickiesdaughter Thank you, that is a great comfort to me!
@@hdwarrior8830 I'm glad I could bring you comfort. I hate seeing my brothers and sisters hurting from wrong counsel.
Why would a Christian want to cuss out of the heart the mouth speaks
Bringing your own "jesus" along is the same as building your golden calf and putting it on a cart. "Here is our god, that brought us out of the wilderness!"
And he came with this convenient cart so I can pull him around wherever I want to. No more following that pillar of cloud and fire!
@@fightingforthefaith8676 I don't know a polite way to assume you got hacked...but I think you got hacked.
Great conversation.
Hell is not just place where non believers reside after they pass but where they pay for their sins here on earth. I feel as Christians we don’t express this enough. When you are before God when you pass, you are faced with all the sins you’ve committed on Earth. Jesus is your attorney and without salvation you have no attorney so you face the full wrath of God as well as a separation from His love. Even non-believers who don’t know it experience God’s love and without His love alone it’s torturous.
I paused the segment where you said that Gods wrath is sometimes punitive. Could you please expand on that some more in regards to Believers? I know that it is for Unbelievers, but I thought Believers are not subject to the wrath of God and that for a Believer Gods anger would be corrective and to bring us back in to alignment with His will. Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Thank you 😊
One way to measure cussing is when you hear someone who cusses a lot and their are many other fruits that are not Christ like then the greatest likelihood is they are not a christian and should disgust and repel us from those examples as true christians.
Good example for #10, ‘no one goes to jail for choosing the wrong occupation.’ Liked that.
Great discussion, try to get an equal balance for people on split screen. Mike was big and close, alisha was smaller and distant. Imho
Really sad to see Alisa and Pastor Mike get #3 so wrong. In Reagan’s First Epistle to the Americans, it clearly reads, “Thou shalt vote Republican.” (1 Am 17:76) The Nearly Inspired Version (NIV) does not show the big-R capitalisation, but it is present in the Hebrew text. Also, the writer* tells us, “Lo, thou shalt stray neither to the Left nor to the Libertarian, but thy ticket shall be straight.” (2 Am 5:56) Alisa and Pastor Mike need to repent in sackcloth and ashes for this heresy. What’s next?!? “Debts” instead of “Trespasses”, no doubt.
*Saint Ronaldus Magnus to our Latin and Greek brethren...we Protestants shy away from canonisation.
That was brilliant! ;) I wish I could do half as well.
When I hear these arguments all I can think of is Galatians 1:8. These people believe in a different gospel. They are currently accursed from God. May they please repent of their beliefs and truly come to God on his terms. Doug Stoliker
"These people believe in a different gospel." Which "these" are you talking about?
I enjoyed your commentaries. It is sad that there are "so called Christian's who actually believe this. I think it's a way of avoiding the truth. Thank you for your ministry.
Preach it brother!!