The cross of Jesus is everything in so far as the Attonement. However one of Restoration with the involvement of God's wrath and punishment in the consequences of our actions. So much more I can say but it is not about debating. Sadly what we hear here is a result of centuries of protestant bias that has so indoctrinated our western minds that we read the Bible through that lens. Result the churches are bleeding vast numbers. Progressives are merely leaning on the H.S. as they read their scriptures. Independently I came to conclusions that have been validated by those who care about the reasons why so many have left their faith. No 1 let us stop worshipping the written word and rejoice in the LIVING WORD I.e. JESUS in us ( Galatians 1/16) to whom it points. Nos 2 let us get a better grip on the original Hebrew and Greek languages coupled with a more accurate cosmological understanding of those times. Nos 3 Let us dispense with so much arrogance of certainty after all who can can fully understand the infinite fullness of God. Nos 4 Let us continue to do what the Bereans did with Paul. Walk together with our all our findings in the Spirit of FAITH HOPE and most importantly LOVE😍God be with ALL and yes being God He will not fail and reconcile ALL of His creation to Himself.. when Christ has overcome ALL. (Rev.)
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@Kyle Isaacson You said a lot in that paragraph that I disagree with. But I'm going to choose to focus on my original point. Could I ask you a question? What is the goal of theology/religion?
I would like to add one: Pride = expecting God to accept your good works as a bribe so He might overlook the fact of your sin, as opposed to: Humility = trusting to be saved through Jesus Christ.
Seattle is a rough part of Washington, I live in a small rural town somewhat near Spokane and i can't stand how crazy Spokane is, let alone Seattle, Spokane has 1/3 of the population of Seattle and is the second largest city in Washington to kind of explain it to someone who doesn't live in Washington.
@@emaleemarrazzo7502 Yeah the geography of our state is weird. And the way it splits.the population. I am moving over there into Idaho, probably. Bonner's Ferry.
I'm trying to hold onto Biblical truths taught to me, of which I believed my whole adult life, while being surrounded by progressive Christians. I know very few Christians in my area that are not progressive. Podcasts like this are fresh air for me and helps me know I am not really alone on what was once just a given of universal Biblical truths.
I thank God for you Marcus! For staying faithful to God ,to Jesus his son,you have within you the Holyspirit of God that dwells in you til Jesus comes to get us,wether in the rapture or death,we have the Holyspirit and you will never ever be alone😍
Ephesians 1:13 in whom (Jesus) you also trusted,after that you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation,in whom (Jesus)also after you believed you were sealed with that Holyspirit of promise. 14) which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession ,unto the praise of his glory.
"Progressive" Christianity sort of boils down to one big lie, and that is: "Jesus din't condemn the Sinners he encountered, and therefore he didn't consider their actions to be Sin." To further this idea they always leave out part of what Jesus said. Yes, Jesus said "Your sins are forgiven" AND He said to the Sinners, "Go, and sin NO More."
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
You just told a lie about progressive Christianity, since that is not at all the argument they make, or at best a straw-man caricature thereof. So as a progressive Christian I'm telling you: go and sin no more.
I'm pretty sure he meant sin against the law of the land (commit crime) for that event, not in general, as asking people not to sin in general would be a ridiculous ask considering how minor everyday things are sinful in Christianity. Just search idolatry and adultery in Blue Letter Bible to see how broad they are. Also being soft is a sin. Who the hell doesn't do that on a semi-regular basis? Also, from David getting to keep Bathsheba as a wife, even after it being clear he is forgiven, it is clear that sin only counts once per person and does not stack, which many Christians wrongly ignore when it suits their narrative. Be consistent people.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana defend your claim that Jesus meant go and sin no more against the law of the land.. And in 1 John 3:9 it says those who are the Children of God cannot practice sin Romans 6 says not to let sin reign. We are told to die to self and to the flesh and live in the spirit and for Christ to live in us. God says in Phillipians 2:13 that He works in us both to will and to DO of His good pleasure. "Being soft is a sin" what is 'being soft' and please provide a verse that says it is a sin. And David was forgiven after acknowledging His sin and after that He still repented in the psalms and was of a contrite heart. But he lost His baby and God spoke of his punishment for this sin in 2 Samuel 12:10-12. "And expound on what you mean by " sin counts once and does not stack" And what is stacking and what do Christians teach about this.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Read the Book of John again.... Jesus is 💯% man, 💯%GOD...... NOT 50/50. 💯% of the man died. 💯% GOD the Son didn't. Nobody who knows the Bible, thinks GOD dies. Who are you talking to? Notice: I didn't ask why... I know why...... you gave yourself away, you're REALLY easy to spot 😏
@@TheMollyPitchers The Bible says the Son of God died Jesus says he was dead Nothing in the Bible about 100 man 100 God Nothing about “just human part died” Jesus died Who is the God OF Jesus? The God of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@TheMollyPitchers that's because the book of John set out to make sure everyone believed Jesus was god... That's why it's so different to the other gospels!
@9:09 "they see Christianity as oppressive to the person, in reality Christianity is opressive to the flesh..." That is a great point Mike. My face lit up when I heard that for the first time in my 20-year Christian life. I haven't heard it put that way before.
"God doesn't overreact." That sentence is so good and true. God is just and perfect, so he reacts in the prefect way. He never diminishes our sin and its consequences and He also never would NOT accept our honest cry for help and honest repentance and acceptance of Jesus as our savior.
@@shamaiwanyashrahla4725 “And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift He gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to stand in God’s way?” Acts of the Apostles 11:17 NLT
Yep. They always want to bring up the amorites as an example of God's hateful wrath/ what have you, but He gave them 400 years till he judged them. They never think of that; 400 years to keep messing up till He finally says "okay, now your day of judgement has come." That's quite a bit of time for longsuffering.
Alisa, once upon a time you sang truth into a 14 year old girl's heart and brought God's truth to my life at a treacherous time. Now once again that 14 year old who is now 32 is hearing the truth from you in a whole deeper way! Thank you for zoegirl way back in the day and thank you for these podcasts today! Its an honour to listen ❤❤❤
@@Jamie-Russell-CME I don't know precisely what you mean by that but so far as it's true that Jesus came and served us, washed feet and died for us... well that doesn't make me think I'm a big deal, that humbles me and makes me want to serve Him and be devoted to Him. If that's what you mean then ditto
Got personally convicted me for the words I used. He said worshipping out of your mouth to me is like offering someone a glass of water out of a toilet. I got that. I keep my language clean.
So right I'm not a Christian but I agree with a lot of what he says, the one you talk about made me think about what comes out of my mouth. The tongue is one's enemy if its not kept in a tight leash.
@@whosasking9655 we are as people of faith can see the pool is shrinking and many faithful religious people are on massive exodus defecting to non-believe especially in the west. A lot to do with materialistic attitude and reason been a slave to passion. There will come a time when one’s holding to faith, is like holding to hot coal. I believe in Jesus and believe the narrative of the Qur’an of him been the Messiah son of Mary who is the role model for all Muslim women, illustrious in this world and the hereafter and one those brought near to Allah. You don’t have to just be a Christian to love him and honour, we Muslims await his return from heaven on shoulders of angles bringing peace and prosperity.
@@khaderlander2429 I know little about what the Qur'an says about Jesus, but I'd like to strongly encourage you to learn more about what the Bible says about Jesus. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and it's absolutely crucial to recognize that. He died for our sins, and was raised to life by the Father. Only by repenting of our sins, and acknowledging Jesus as our savior, can we be reconciled unto The Father. I say this out of love, and a desire that you will be able to forge a relationship with The Father, through Jesus Christ. I highly, highly recommend that you read any of the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John). Those are great places to start (or continue) your Bible journey. Here's a verse from John to get you started. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave His only Son, that whoever believe in him should not perish but have eternal life. God Bless you, I'm praying for you!
@@semperreformanda6100 Mark 10:17-22 As Jesus was going along the road, a man came running to him and threw himself at his feet and asked him, ‘Good teacher, what am I to do to inherit eternal life?’ Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? There is no one who is good, except one - God. You know the commandments. You must not kill, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, you must not defraud anyone, you must honour your father and mother.’ He said to him, ‘Teacher, I have kept all these from my youth.’ When Jesus looked at him he loved him, and he said to him, ‘You still lack one thing. Go, sell all that you have, and give it to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven. And come! Follow me!’ But he was grieved at this saying, and he went away in sadness, for he had many possessions. HERE is one of the most vivid stories in the gospels. (1) We must note how the man came and how Jesus met him. He came running. He flung himself at Jesus’ feet. There is something amazing in the sight of this rich, young aristocrat falling at the feet of the penniless prophet from Nazareth, who was on the way to being an outlaw. ‘Good teacher!’ he began. And straightaway Jesus answered back, ‘No flattery! Don’t call me good! Keep that word for God!’ It looks almost as if Jesus was trying to pour cold water on that young enthusiasm. There is a lesson here. It is clear that this man came to Jesus in a moment of overflowing emotion. It is also clear that Jesus exercised a personal fascination over him. Jesus did two things that every evangelist and every preacher and every teacher ought to remember and to copy. First, he said in effect, ‘Stop and think! Don’t get carried away by your excitement. I don’t want you swept to me by a moment of emotion. Think calmly what you are doing.’ Jesus was not coldshouldering the man. He was telling him even at the very outset to count the cost. Second, he said in effect, ‘You cannot become a Christian by devotion to me. You must look at God.’ Preaching and teaching always mean the conveying of truth through personality, and thereby lies the greatest danger of the greatest teachers. The danger is that the pupil, the scholar, the young person may form a personal attachment to the teacher or the preacher and think that it is an attachment to God. Teachers and preachers must never point to themselves. They must always point to God. There is in all true teaching a certain self-obliteration. True, we cannot keep personality and warm personal loyalty out of it altogether, and we would not if we could. But the matter must not stop there. Teachers and preachers are in the last analysis only pointers to God. Excerpt from: "New Daily Study Bible: The Gospel of Mark" by William Barclay. Scribd. Watch this episode the day Jesus denied he was God - and later cover-up! ua-cam.com/video/CxrerjcWHg4/v-deo.html
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Isiah 9,6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Shut up and read your Bible.
@@befunkrn Who is Jesus’s God?? “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” Paul says Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@topgun9587 Who is Jesus’s God? “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” Paul says Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
I'm blessed that God directed me to this channel. Philippians 4:8 - "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
All these seem to say, in a relatively disingenuous way, is that "all the things the Bible calls sin (especially sexual immorality) are fine and God would never actually punish you for them. The only real sin is calling things the Bible says are sin 'sin'." It brings to mind that CS Lewis quote from The Problem of Pain that what we really want is a "grandfather in heaven" a "senile benevolent" who just wants us all to be happy and to have fun instead of holding us accountable to a standard of maturity and holiness.
What if your standard of maturity and holiness is merely a structure of control filling you with a negative judgmental perspective, inspiring you to spread hate under the guise of faith? What if you’ve been convinced you DESERVE suffering, but you’re simply just a human being, like all the rest? What if you’ve been conned into constant self-surveillance, living in fear of higher judgment, obeying what these false leaders tell you without question, just to feel part of a special club?
@@mads597 That's a good series of questions, but they ignore all the other EVIDIENCE. Sin is sinful, not because God arbitrarily and capriciously creates a series of rules, like some DM cherry picking rules from various editions of Dungeons and Dragons and various other Role Playing sourcebooks, because she likes this combat system and that magic system. Sin is sinful because sin hurts people and because it violates people, because when we act _selfishly_ we treat other people like things who exist for our pleasure instead of people. Stealing hurts the person you steal from. Lying hurts the person you are lying about and it also hurts the person you are lying to. Sex is fundamentally _human reproductive behavior._ When we pursue sex merely for pleasure we hurt the people we use to get that pleasure. Uniquely of all the sins, if Paul is to be believed, we even victimize ourselves. Part of this is because the pleasurable side of sex is there to help us bond with our life-mate. We can see this simply by looking around. Promiscuous sexual behavior spreads a wide variety of diseases that spread virtually no other way. Many of these diseases are chronic, creating lasting, life-long health problems. Some are even fatal. It's almost as if God built in warning signs into creation to warn us to NOT DO IT. Promiscuous sexual behavior also causes a significant number of psychological problems (or proceeds out of them): increased problems of depression, anxiety, and guilt. Objectifying others, objectifying ones self. It makes it harder to form long-term relationships (because one is tempted to bring sexuality into non-sexual friendships and because sex looses it's power to bond two people together when you've bonded sexually with all sorts of other people - and then bail on them when it's not "fun" anymore). And sociologically we see a wide variety of negative impacts because promiscuity makes it harder for people to marry and because it leaves behind children who do not have a stable, two-parent family to grow up in. Science and personal experience tell us they wide variety of consequences _that_ has from increased rates of depression and drug use, to increased dropout rates, to increased crime rates, increased abuse rates, increased rates of the children growing up themselves to pursue unhealthy sexual relationships. So, no, I don't fear that I've been conned into living up to some arbitrary standard of "holiness" fed to me by "false leaders" just to feel part of a club, and to give me permission to judge others or because I fear some imagined hell. Sin has consequences, not just in some afterlife, but here on earth. We recognize it enough that we've enshrined "rest one day a week", "don't murder", "don't steal", and "don't bear false witness" into our own laws. We see how terrible nations and people who worship themselves or some false ideal rather than God (whether it's money, power, fame or whatever) become. We've seen how abominable it is when people do evil and say it's in God's name (that what that whole "taking God's name in vain" commandment means) are. It does mean that I take sin seriously and recognize the hurt and evil that goes with it. It means I understand why God hates it so much.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 error, Jesus is God. Emanuel = God with us. That’s as simple as it gets without going into the countless scriptures that clearly show Jesus is in fact one of the 3 persons that make up the Godhead.
@@mitchellc4 John 1 The word WAS God. You repent and believe in the bible. You're just making stuff up. Go away and die in your sins and leave those who believe in the true Christ as God in the flesh alone.
@@rogerwalters6443 Hello Roger Let’s talk about John 1 “The word was with God” Who is the word with? The word was with the Father? The word was with the trinity ? The word was with Jesus? Which?
You can overcome! If you remove media that uses curse words from your life it’s a lot easier for those things to no longer come out of your mouth...cause it’s not going in.
When you show to be trustworthy and faithful to God in these little things he will set you over large things more significant things more and more into eternity!
How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit? I’m not being skeptical of you, I’m genuinely curious. My experience has been feeling really bad about something like right after or even AS you are doing it. Then you repent of it. It did give me reassurance, but I nearly fell away. I was so arrogant I didn’t even realize how bad it was. I went back to old sins. I knew it was wrong. I’ve repented of them now, but I’m still very scared. I’ve been praying and reading and asking for forgiveness. I keep finding so much evil in my heart.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Lets remember to convict our brothers and sisters with grace. It’s too easy for us to get offended and passionate when we encounter believers who’s perception of the gospel isn’t sound. However, Jesus always led with love when he called for repentance. Instead of berating those who may be ill informed. Pray for them and offer biblical resources to help rebuild their faith.
Or just let people live their lives in peace. Leave them alone, they’re unburdened by your fear and are wise enough to know a “rebuilding of faith” would mean imprisonment of their soul under the toxic and judgmental eye of self-serving leaders set on convincing you not to think for yourself and to follow them without question.
@@mads597 I don’t necessarily agree with you but I do respect your opinion and one else’s. Like in many religions there’s leaders who take advantage of their platform/position. However the focus of Christianity isn’t about them it’s about having a relationship with God. When I refer to helping people rebuild their faith i’m specifically referencing to people within the community and who you have a relationship with. I do agree that it’s unrealistic to hold other people to the principles of your religion if they don’t believe in it.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Yay. Mike winger. I love his ministry and find it wonderful that you among many other solid ministries are collaborating. Especially during these times where we are all stuck at home. Thankyou for your work and ministry. It has been an encouragement during tough times and a “ progressive” era!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 The Gospel for our dispensation is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and to be saved you have to believe that He died for your sins, was buried and rose again the 3rd day, all according to the Scriptures and to be saved you have to repent (change your mind) and trust Him to save you through what He did alone. God Bless.
@@rafaeliacsity5315 Jesus said the gospel of the kingdom is for ALL nations then the end Matt 24 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Paul preached the kingdom Acts 20 which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that all you among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom will see my face no more. The Book of Acts ends with Paul preaching the kingdom Acts 28 30 And he lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him, 31 preaching the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ quite openly and unhindered.
I just want to say how I appreciate you, Mike and other bible reading christians putting out theses types of videos. They are both challenging and encouraging.
Thank you for putting this content out. I'm so glad I've found you and Mike Winger. I used to go to Bryan Zhand"s church 15 years ago but left because something sounded off in the preaching. I just couldn't figure out what it was. Now to hear some of what he says I understand why it didn't sit well with me.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
You must not pray to God Yahweh and His Christ Yeshua(Jesus) because He has said that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avails much (James 5:16); it means that the prayers of the righteous are powerful, because the One they pray to is all-powerful and all the promises of God are in Him(Christ) yes and amen[2 Corinthians 1:20] and we know that if we pray according to His will then we have what we pray for [Mark 11:23-26; 1 John 5:14-15].
Love Mike Winger and Alisa Childers! Both of them helped my wife and I during COVID. Another Gospel is a must read guys if you haven't read it. Thanks for the work you both are during for the Kingdom.
Correction: with pregnancy complications, it's not that you're killing one to save the other, it's that you are saving one and failing, due to inadequate medical technology, to save the other. The difference is that the latter isn't actively killing the one, which would be murder, which is a philosophically important distinction. Note: I believe this is Mike's view and that he simply misstated it in the moment, which is something we all do. I only posted this to clarify for any one who runs across this so that they have a more accurate understanding of what was probably meant as there are many people who would simply point to what he said and say that Mike Winger said it's ok to kill babies when he isn't saying that at all.
That is perfectly stated! I think a change in the vocabulary we use may help with this distinction. When both lives are in danger, then the baby should be “delivered” as opposed to “aborted” and all attempts should be made to save both lives.
Whenever people tell me that sometimes they have to abort baby to save mum. I say no, they birth baby. There is no reason to kill baby first, then birth it.
I hope you are right because I was just going to comment on it. No, you don't kill someone because "they are going to die anyway" then we're supporting euthanasia which is no better than abortion
In a situation where the baby will die no matter what you do terminating the pregnancy to save the mother's life is morally justified, perhaps even required. I can buy that.
41:26 The "4 primary hermaneutics" aren't different genres of scripture, they're different ways of reading a particular passage. Note, they don't conflict: if a passage can be read allegorically, that doesn't mean it can't also be read literally. For example, in Galatians 4, when Paul interprets the story of Hagar and Sarah allegorically, he's obviously not saying that neither woman actually existed. Also note that most of scripture probably can't be interpreted in all four ways, without some serious eisegesis.
When I lost my sister and I was asking questions I stumbled upon Mike Winger and I really really really love his videos.. Such a blessing Alisa Childers podcast is. Bless y'all..!! 😍😍
Take God as the "Father" more often. Your analogy of the child and the parent could probably answer most of these. Fathers punish their children, not for lack of love but because of love. For instance, a father would reprimand or punish a child for going into a street. Not because he is about anger and wrath, but because he doesn't want a car to come and take that child away. So many parallels of God's love and a love of a parent would answer these swiftly. Like these people don't know what a parent is supposed to do. 😥
while i am not disagreeing, i want to emphasize that the motivation behind ourselves punishing our own children out of love for their wellbeing is not the only thing. when you tell your kid to do something and it has nothing to do with their wellbeing, and they don't do it, do you not become angry? why? is it because they are at risk? no, it is because they defied you and you are their parent. so you punish them because it is wrong for them to do that. we need to make sure we don't overlook things or make light of things. is sin harmful to us? absolutely. but it is also an absolutely evil act against God that deserves His wrath.
@@bjornegan6421 good point, I also am not disagreeing, I was just using that as an example. There is obviously more to it, I just thought the simplest point to make would be the quickest to type out and the most effective. Thank you for your view and clarification.
Thank you for having these discussions and bringing clarity to those who are being led astray by false teachers/teachings. Being a part of the younger generation it’s scary to see these gradual changes within the church and it happens so subtly that most people don’t catch it and start to accept things that Jesus does not want for us. Again, thank you!
At 18:05, I can relate. I used to have a real road rage problem when I was younger and I worked on it to the point where my anger turned to concern and I was praying for safe travels for the folks I would have flipped off before. Then my son was born. Suddenly, I took such offense at dangerous driving habits around me, because they were endangering my son in the car with me, that I felt incensed, a violent wrath I haven't felt before. I'm still working on it, but your comment about how parental love can lead to wrath brought it to my mind.
Should we endorse drug addiction, gambling addiction, alcohol addiction, etc., as healthful ways of life? If not, then why should we endorse the various forms of sex addiction as healthful just because they are common? God warns about all these things for our own good. The first step to recovery is recognizing that you have a problem. It's good to see rational teachers standing up for a better life.
@@nemiza8288 All human activity has been corrupted, not just sexual attractions. When Jesus walked among us, he showed us exactly that, and provided a way out. He was the light who gave us truth and grace. The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem. The problem for all humans is wrapped up in one word: sin. 'Sin' literally means 'to fall short of the mark'. The mark we fall short of is the original "image of God" that we were intended to be. Sin means that all of us are broken, each in his or her own ways. Jesus came to give people a new life in which they could be conformed to that true image of what it means to be a human being. He came to set the captives free. That includes saying good-by to all types of overpowering passions such as angry violence and sexual immorality. Those passions are just as addicting as alcohol or drugs. That is the cost of being a follower of Jesus, and also the benefit he gives us by his grace. It is up to each of us to choose.
Why abort if both lives can be saved by delivering the child and treating the problem? If abortion had been available I might not be alive, as both my mother's and my life were in jeopardy until a C-section was performed. Both of us were saved by that method. So abortion is not acceptable to me at all.
I think an ectopic pregnancy creates this issue... baby is forming in the fallopian tube and will not grow until viable, but it will likely kill the mother when there tube erupts. There may be a few other instances, but they aren't as prevalent as the abortion- loving crowd suggest
@Pippi Bernstein No, the surgery for an abortion literally cuts limbs off the baby, sucks the brains out of the baby, and crushes the head to remove the baby. that's different than ectopic pregnancy surgery.
The video title - that is such a good question to address for new Christians as well. I’ve been searching for these answers for a few months now. I used to be an atheist and I have these types of questions. Bless you and please keep up the good work.
Two of my favorite teachers in one video!! Thank you SO much for this helpful, timely, and NECESSARY conversation!! God bless and strengthen you both in your crucial ministries!
Oh wow, I remember listening to “You Get Me” on the radio in college. So interesting to see you now with this channel. I am SO RELIEVED to see you speaking up against progressivism in the Church. The Church should shape the world, not the other way around.
This was so on point. What tends to happen so often which was pointed out in this conversation is how these questions are convoluted in a way so that the questioner can dodge what scripture clearly says on that particular issue.
This is great! I was thinking that we needed to see a conversation between the two of you. Especially after I watched Mike’s video on the Sadducees in Mark.
The following statement has impacted me greatly, though you may not see it initially. Here it is and I pray that it resounds with you as it has with me. "How we live matters" say that with meaning then as you read your Bible and look around at everything that is around you, that statement may just make you really think about everything you do and say. God bless all of you.
I highly appreciate the clarity and conciseness of these answers. It takes knowing WHY something is wrong to provide any quick answer that is effective and defensible.
I remember “safe, legal, and rare” from the days it was a hot topic ( before Roe/Wade). It was THE lie of the movement, and still is. It’s certainly not rare, and when people protest passage of laws requiring the same standards of care as any other medical surgical center, it becomes obvious that they also never meant the ‘safe’ part. The only thing that happened was it got made legal. And millions died.
It would be nice to hear Mike and Alisa share their experience as a Christian more over just being a topic. The Christian experience is of many testimonies.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
They have plenty of videos where they share their experiences. But we often get caught up in our personal experiences/our testimonies and other people's testimonies...which can make individual experiences the main focus, rather than the truth and light of the Gospel. If that makes sense? I had to learn this...I was very obsessed with testimonies (which I love and are important!) but knowing the Gospel is the most important. If you don't know what the Gospel says, it's easy to be swayed by the whims of culture...I've definitely been there...and it wasn't a good path. God bless and Love to you!
@@autumnbenson2450 Not testimony videos I don’t have one of those. Testify during their topics, one can always share without creating a whole video. Either way scripture should be the main focus or it will sound robotic. I got caught up in progressive Christianity and currently trying to help friends and family not mix worldly philosophy and ways by sharing true scripture. John 3:3💞
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@x-popone6817 Who is Jesus’s God? “the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” as Paul says Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4 I knew you would respond with a bunch of Bible verses, just felt like that would happen, but anyway, I'm not going to address every single verse specifically here. I'm not interested in having a long debate about whether Jesus is God. I've had way too many similar debates and I don't wanna spend too much commenting on a specific UA-cam debate. Regardless, I'll just briefly debunk your argument: Jesus came to earth in a human body as a servant of God. He "had a God" through his human body and his role as a servant of God. It's very simple. It doesn't mean He isn't God. Also, since I've seen you using another argument in other threads, I'm going to debunk that other argument: How did Jesus die if He's God? Simple. His human body died, not His divinity.
So, we're using Mike's channel, but my wife and I have made these videos into a weekly study time, and even the questions themselves have been great to chew on. Good on y'all.
My husband is a deputy and I just had that image of him dealing with a suspect and telling them, "You are swimming against the flow of my love." Oh my gosh, that was just plain funny! Even being funny, it was a great example of punitive justice.
Mike and my other faves, Dale and Veronica Partridge, brought me to Christ and biblical marriage. Now I am binging. I was muslim, and many other beliefs before that..pagan, witch, Mormon, etc. I am finally home. Thanks to people like you guys!!!
I just found your channel and love it. I saw the interview with Cooper and subscribed to both channels. My spirit fiercely repels from false prophets. Beth Moore was the first that was an immediate check in my Spirit. Joyce Meyer shares some things to which I can agree - but goes outside of scripture so much now I barely recognize the woman I watched years ago. The watered-down Christianity burgeoning in our society has led young Christians down the wrong path and turned even some of the most staunch believers to be apathetic or too frightened of offending others to stand firm in the Lord. Your podcasts are so important for all Christians who hunger for truth in God. Thank you for all you do!
The point of their list is to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing by either making nothing wrong or disqualifying God as a judge. Back in 85 a saying I heard said the following: God gave us freedom, but we wanted license.
At 4:50 on cussing. I'm more concerned about behaviours than words. I see sanctimonious Christians who have abusive behaviours, committing adultery and paedophiles criticising people who cuss.
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir Can't recall the exact verse, but God said, you break one law, you've broken all laws. Meaning the wage of sin is the same no matter whatever sin it is. Of course, God saves both if they repent too.
@@Eric-dd8bk I'm sure the scriptures don't say that. So, if I cuss that makes me a paedophile, murderer, adulterer, homosexual et al. Somehow, I don't think so. You had better find the scripture and quote it in context.
The cursing issue isn't just discussed in progressive circles. I know I have had people ask me who determines what words are vulgar and which aren't, and often the answer is society. Christians do have a habit of deciding since an action can lead some people to sin, therefore it must be totally bad, therefore we will call it sin. It's why the topic of alcohol has been debated forever. A thing cannot be a sin, but it can be used to sin. Knives are used to murder, so should they be then call using a knife a sin? No. Using words in context is not wrong, however, we have to ask ourselves why we want to use them and and if how we are using it is really necessary. On the first page of the first chapter of Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, when talking about people's standards, he said that rarely does a person reply, 'To hell with your standard.' Now, I was always taught that you shouldn't do that, yet he did, in a book recommended by thousands of ministers. Paul said all things are lawful, but not all are beneficial; if you know certain things will turn some people off and prevent you from being about to minister to certain people, maybe you should think about if it is worth it or not. When we give our lives to God, it is no longer about our wants and desires, but His.
Modern Christianity is all about focusing on "how those other Christians are doing it wrong" instead of taking an honest appraisal of the faith and why its in decline.
The thing is if what these 'Christians' are teaching is unbiblical and they are doing it in the name of Christ and Christianity and they are bringing alot of people into their heresies then we need to speak out against it. If there are people with a following that are teaching people things that are not of God, we need to address them because they are like Shepherds that are not feeding their flocks. These videos are to keep people from falling into traps and teachings that are against God and to bring people to knowledge of the true God of the bible and of the gospel. Nonetheless I agree that it is a focus, and we should NEVER lose sight of Christ, but it is a work that needs to be done. But we should always be striving to know the heart of God and to understand the gospel better and bring people closer.
@@edtachiri The word heresy is meaningless in 2020, it implies there is a true orthodox church that is in contact with God. The world has 1000's of variations of Christianity with their own version of orthodoxy and none of them seem to have access to any of the super powers granted in the Bible, or be significantly different from each other, certainly nothing like the church in Acts. According to most Jews the New Testament is a Heresy, they like most Europeans and rational people everywhere find it a conflicted mess, you actually need a strong imagination to pull together any kind of orthodoxy.
@@LukeVidler I agree. There are alot of heresies in the church. But that doesn't mean men of God should not call them out. Even if they are small. And we should be praying for reform in the body of Christ. Nonetheless, when there are DAMNABLE heresies, then if no-one says anything I would be shocked and wrathful. Heresies are bad enough. But damnable heresies are sending people straight to hell.
The point regarding the 4 methods of interpretation is a practice called the quadriga. This was popular back in the Middle Ages and has come back to life in the progressive Christianity movement as an abandonment of literal interpretation. People either feel the Word of God is infallible or it’s fallible, I tend to think that actual believers understand God’s true nature of infallibility and inerrancy.
i firmly believe that most of the items on this list stem from a desire to embrace "love/compassion" at the expense of truth...this has been the dna of way too many fellow believers i've encountered over the past decade or so....very disturbing and dangerous trend in American churches...
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@William Wertz Jesus has a God Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz Jesus has a God The God of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz The God of our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 15 6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Cor 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, 2 Cor 11 31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie. Eph 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, Eph 1 17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him, Col 1 3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you, 1 Pet 1 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@nikkialkema1032 Sorry, I don't know what logic you are using there, but it makes no sense. Fertilization creates a new human being, its science, its repeatable and testable, we have at least 7 Billion living examples. Not one was born of just sperm or just an egg. From the moment of conception you have a human with unique DNA that if allowed to develop will become a living baby under most circumstances. If the fertilization is unviable in most circumstances the pregnancy will terminate itself very early, even before the mother knows she's pregnant many times. So by the time a mother knows she's pregnant, most of those are viable human beings that will be born alive, if allowed. There is a big difference between preventing pregnancy and terminating pregnancy.
@@edcorps2876 The child is by conseption as alive as a plant it doesn't feel a thing from the abortion and what if the mother was raped nobody would like living knowing they only exist because of rape and what if the mother is only thirteen or somthing like that the chance the kid survives is small and the chance the mother survives is even smaller both of them can feel it it then and your killing two people. If you have a problem with abortions you should also be so hardcore vegan you don't even eat plants. I don't know you personaly but most "pro life" people only want more children so they can do they dirty work when they grow up. These conservatives only care about themselves. You said that we have 7 billion living examples but what about all the miscarriges. The reason there is less of these now is because of abortion. Why carry a child for nine months if they are gonna die anyway, that way they're just gonna suffer. And what if you live somewhere where people are starving? You can't breastfeed if you don't have enough food. Or will you just let them die once they're born? If someone can't take care of kids they shoudn't have them either, but I do agree that if you can take care of them, are in good health and you are old enough and are not raped you should just get your kid.
@@nikkialkema1032 Let me just point out a couple of things. You speak of rape, but yet you lower humans to the level of animals and plants. How is it that you can find rape immoral if I should be a "hardcore vegan" because killing animals is basically the same as killing humans? And how is it that rape is immoral if a baby at conception is 'nothing more than a plant'? I can't see from your own logic how you could find genocide, rape, starvation, or any of these things immoral. Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Does it even cross their mind? Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? It might make things easier, but they certainly don't care if they can accomplish their goal. If you don't see the sanctity of human life then I don't see how you could be outraged about any of these other things. There are plenty of mothers that have children born out of rape that would tell you they are glad they did not terminate, I think the majority that kept their babies would tell you that. Why? Because the human being that is born is not the human being that did them wrong. They see the innocent baby, they raise them, they see that those children love them and they find satisfaction even in the pain. Why because they value that human being, even under the circumstances to which they were brought into the world. Human life is precious and if you can't see that, then you are not going to see anything except through the lens of self fulfilment. The Bible tells us that all humans are made in the image of God and have intrinsic worth, if that's not true, then your morality and moral arguments have no basis.
@@edcorps2876 Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Yes, elefhants, dogs, cats, foxes, wolves and many other species care, cats even care about other species and have been known to adopt dogs. Does it even cross their mind? Yes. Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? Wolves, foxes (though not all foxes cuz animals are people) and swans do and there are other species who care. Rape is immoral because you have sex with someone who doesn't want to not because of the child. I think it is great that people are willing to raise a child that came from rape but it is the mothers choice and no one elses telling people what to do is immoral. The bible tells us that humans are made in the immage of God you say, but the bible also says that those humans got kicked out of paradise for a reason. And my point with the plants was just that they don't feel and neither does the abborted "baby" because they're not a human jet, and killing one of them is as immoral as killing a plant. Besides you say that I level humans down to animals jet humans tigers and some kinds of snakes are the only species who kill eachother so how great are humans really, I am not bringing humans down I am telling the truth, there is no need for more humans on this planet. Mankind is the species that started sin. I don't think we should go extinct just don't say we're in Gods image as we were once.
Nice bookshelf there young man. Nice to see a happy face. Scholars can be so seriously minded. Truth makes you happy n smile. And also truth is so simple.
So thankful for both of these amazing saints. Alisa, you have encouraged me so much already and I only just found you this week. You are an answer to prayer.
01. Cussing, is that culturally or scriptural? How many of us tell our kids we are proud of them? 02. If Gay means overly expressive joy then correct but if you mean homosexual acts, well Jesus condemns "porneia" 03. as a follower of the Christ we are called to vote our convictions. 04. Murder. 05. Hell is not a simple subject. 06. Carrot and stick are both tools 07. your sincerity to want to seek and know the true God is known including any impediments. 08. 1" off ground is the start of heaven, sheoul(the grave) is the start of hell. Real places 09. Holy Justice demands righteous restitution 10. See #7 11. … literally? condescension or stupidity? 12. … seriously? condescension or stupidity? 13. The Holy Spirit helps me understand and accept what scripture says.
The thoughts of Richard Rohr amaze me. How can he say Hell is "theologically impossible" when millions (perhaps billions) of people including well-trained Biblical scholars and pastors have had no theological problem with it for thousands of years.
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. John 5:39-40 NIV Sure. Jesus affirms Bible but he says he's greater than Bible.
Cursing is a reflection of the heart....yes not a major sin but it is a forgivable sin....if you are truly born again you will not like vulgar language....cursing is just one thing we should not feel numb to.
3:16 Cussing
7:50 Being gay
11:30 Voting
12:46 Abortion
16:08 Wrath, hell
20:57 God's justice
25:44 Going to Heaven
28:46 Heaven and Hell
33:19 Substitutionary atonement
37:27 Picking religion
39:26 Interpreting the Bible
41:25 Hermaneutics
43:30 Interpreting Jesus
The cross of Jesus is everything in so far as the Attonement. However one of Restoration with the involvement of God's wrath and punishment in the consequences of our actions. So much more I can say but it is not about debating. Sadly what we hear here is a result of centuries of protestant bias that has so indoctrinated our western minds that we read the Bible through that lens. Result the churches are bleeding vast numbers. Progressives are merely leaning on the H.S. as they read their scriptures. Independently I came to conclusions that have been validated by those who care about the reasons why so many have left their faith. No 1 let us stop worshipping the written word and rejoice in the LIVING WORD I.e. JESUS in us ( Galatians 1/16) to whom it points. Nos 2 let us get a better grip on the original Hebrew and Greek languages coupled with a more accurate cosmological understanding of those times. Nos 3 Let us dispense with so much arrogance of certainty after all who can can fully understand the infinite fullness of God. Nos 4 Let us continue to do what the Bereans did with Paul. Walk together with our all our findings in the Spirit of FAITH HOPE and most importantly LOVE😍God be with ALL and yes being God He will not fail and reconcile ALL of His creation to Himself..
when Christ has overcome ALL. (Rev.)
Mike Winger is a breath of fresh air to this generation!
Hi Brother Dave!
@@alexmaremaa7057 hey bro Alex!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Amen
Agreed
“Christianity is very oppressive to the flesh.” -Mike Winger. POWERFUL
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Thank God it is!
Exactly!
@@cherileerogers1650 I'd hope so!
flesh is temporary, so I have no problem if it oppresses my flesh
Progressive Christianity = Man Centered Theology
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@ That Christian Rapper I completely completely agree with you. It is a man centered Theology 💯%
@Kyle Isaacson You said a lot in that paragraph that I disagree with. But I'm going to choose to focus on my original point. Could I ask you a question? What is the goal of theology/religion?
@Kyle Isaacson How do you see it though Kyle? Like whatever religion you prescribed to what is your purpose.
Spirituality = changing your lifestyle to accommodate the Word
Progressive Christianity = changing the Word to accommodate your lifestyle
Nothing. But. Straight. Facts.
I would like to add one:
Pride = expecting God to accept your good works as a bribe so He might overlook the fact of your sin, as opposed to:
Humility = trusting to be saved through Jesus Christ.
Very well put sam
I would say "conform to" versus accomodate in both cases.
"Imagine a society where the police don't arrest criminals...."
No imagination necessary, I live near Seattle.
Scary stuff😣
Seattle is a rough part of Washington, I live in a small rural town somewhat near Spokane and i can't stand how crazy Spokane is, let alone Seattle, Spokane has 1/3 of the population of Seattle and is the second largest city in Washington to kind of explain it to someone who doesn't live in Washington.
@@emaleemarrazzo7502 Yeah the geography of our state is weird. And the way it splits.the population. I am moving over there into Idaho, probably. Bonner's Ferry.
oof seattle’s a tough place for christians to live haha
Or Wall Street in NY.
I'm trying to hold onto Biblical truths taught to me, of which I believed my whole adult life, while being surrounded by progressive Christians. I know very few Christians in my area that are not progressive. Podcasts like this are fresh air for me and helps me know I am not really alone on what was once just a given of universal Biblical truths.
Keep at it. It's vital to keep true to scripture, not human tradition.
I would encourage you to try and find a good church. One where the pastor isn't a fantastically wealthy snake oil salesman.
I thank God for you Marcus! For staying faithful to God ,to Jesus his son,you have within you the Holyspirit of God that dwells in you til Jesus comes to get us,wether in the rapture or death,we have the Holyspirit and you will never ever be alone😍
Ephesians 1:13 in whom (Jesus) you also trusted,after that you heard the word of truth,the gospel of your salvation,in whom (Jesus)also after you believed you were sealed with that Holyspirit of promise. 14) which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession ,unto the praise of his glory.
It's sad you believe in things without evidence!
"Progressive" Christianity sort of boils down to one big lie, and that is: "Jesus din't condemn the Sinners he encountered, and therefore he didn't consider their actions to be Sin." To further this idea they always leave out part of what Jesus said. Yes, Jesus said "Your sins are forgiven" AND He said to the Sinners, "Go, and sin NO More."
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
You just told a lie about progressive Christianity, since that is not at all the argument they make, or at best a straw-man caricature thereof. So as a progressive Christian I'm telling you: go and sin no more.
I'm pretty sure he meant sin against the law of the land (commit crime) for that event, not in general, as asking people not to sin in general would be a ridiculous ask considering how minor everyday things are sinful in Christianity. Just search idolatry and adultery in Blue Letter Bible to see how broad they are. Also being soft is a sin. Who the hell doesn't do that on a semi-regular basis?
Also, from David getting to keep Bathsheba as a wife, even after it being clear he is forgiven, it is clear that sin only counts once per person and does not stack, which many Christians wrongly ignore when it suits their narrative. Be consistent people.
@@UniDocs_Mahapushpa_Cyavana defend your claim that Jesus meant go and sin no more against the law of the land..
And in 1 John 3:9 it says those who are the Children of God cannot practice sin
Romans 6 says not to let sin reign.
We are told to die to self and to the flesh and live in the spirit and for Christ to live in us.
God says in Phillipians 2:13 that He works in us both to will and to DO of His good pleasure.
"Being soft is a sin" what is 'being soft' and please provide a verse that says it is a sin.
And David was forgiven after acknowledging His sin and after that He still repented in the psalms and was of a contrite heart. But he lost His baby and God spoke of his punishment for this sin in 2 Samuel 12:10-12.
"And expound on what you mean by " sin counts once and does not stack"
And what is stacking and what do Christians teach about this.
@@edtachiri John 3:9 is clearly talking about one specific person from context, if you read the verse before it.
You should bring all your amazing guests all at once to make the Apologetic Avengers
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Read the Book of John again....
Jesus is 💯% man, 💯%GOD...... NOT 50/50. 💯% of the man died. 💯% GOD the Son didn't.
Nobody who knows the Bible, thinks GOD dies.
Who are you talking to?
Notice: I didn't ask why...
I know why......
you gave yourself away, you're REALLY easy to spot 😏
@@TheMollyPitchers
The Bible says the Son of God died
Jesus says he was dead
Nothing in the Bible about 100 man 100 God
Nothing about “just human part died”
Jesus died
Who is the God OF Jesus?
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@TheMollyPitchers that's because the book of John set out to make sure everyone believed Jesus was god... That's why it's so different to the other gospels!
Yyeeessss!! I'll design costumes! Lol
@9:09 "they see Christianity as oppressive to the person, in reality Christianity is opressive to the flesh..."
That is a great point Mike. My face lit up when I heard that for the first time in my 20-year Christian life. I haven't heard it put that way before.
Do you think he means oppressive to the desire of the flesh for doing sinful acts.
@@khaderlander2429 our world in flesh is a corruption.. Christ is the correction... but to those that love their flesh it correction is oppression.
@@khaderlander2429 like medicine is oppressive to a disease for making people ill.
"God doesn't overreact."
That sentence is so good and true. God is just and perfect, so he reacts in the prefect way. He never diminishes our sin and its consequences and He also never would NOT accept our honest cry for help and honest repentance and acceptance of Jesus as our savior.
Salvation is only for Israelites and whoever disagrees can debate me on Instagram or Skype just drop it
@@shamaiwanyashrahla4725 John 3:16
@@shamaiwanyashrahla4725 “And since God gave these Gentiles the same gift He gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to stand in God’s way?”
Acts of the Apostles 11:17 NLT
Yep. They always want to bring up the amorites as an example of God's hateful wrath/ what have you, but He gave them 400 years till he judged them. They never think of that; 400 years to keep messing up till He finally says "okay, now your day of judgement has come." That's quite a bit of time for longsuffering.
Alisa, once upon a time you sang truth into a 14 year old girl's heart and brought God's truth to my life at a treacherous time. Now once again that 14 year old who is now 32 is hearing the truth from you in a whole deeper way! Thank you for zoegirl way back in the day and thank you for these podcasts today! Its an honour to listen ❤❤❤
Progressive Christianity: God serves man, not the other way around.
Exactly. "God exists for the happiness of man." No good can come from such a belief!
Their god is too small.
God has served man! It is awe-ful!
Sheesh🔥🔥🔥
@@Jamie-Russell-CME I don't know precisely what you mean by that but so far as it's true that Jesus came and served us, washed feet and died for us... well that doesn't make me think I'm a big deal, that humbles me and makes me want to serve Him and be devoted to Him. If that's what you mean then ditto
Got personally convicted me for the words I used. He said worshipping out of your mouth to me is like offering someone a glass of water out of a toilet. I got that. I keep my language clean.
So right I'm not a Christian but I agree with a lot of what he says, the one you talk about made me think about what comes out of my mouth. The tongue is one's enemy if its not kept in a tight leash.
@@khaderlander2429 it's good you agree with a lot of what's said. ^^ I'm a little curious as to why you're not a christian tho.
@@whosasking9655 we are as people of faith can see the pool is shrinking and many faithful religious people are on massive exodus defecting to non-believe especially in the west. A lot to do with materialistic attitude and reason been a slave to passion. There will come a time when one’s holding to faith, is like holding to hot coal. I believe in Jesus and believe the narrative of the Qur’an of him been the Messiah son of Mary who is the role model for all Muslim women, illustrious in this world and the hereafter and one those brought near to Allah. You don’t have to just be a Christian to love him and honour, we Muslims await his return from heaven on shoulders of angles bringing peace and prosperity.
@@khaderlander2429 I know little about what the Qur'an says about Jesus, but I'd like to strongly encourage you to learn more about what the Bible says about Jesus.
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and it's absolutely crucial to recognize that. He died for our sins, and was raised to life by the Father. Only by repenting of our sins, and acknowledging Jesus as our savior, can we be reconciled unto The Father.
I say this out of love, and a desire that you will be able to forge a relationship with The Father, through Jesus Christ. I highly, highly recommend that you read any of the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John). Those are great places to start (or continue) your Bible journey. Here's a verse from John to get you started.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave His only Son, that whoever believe in him should not perish but have eternal life.
God Bless you, I'm praying for you!
@@semperreformanda6100 Mark 10:17-22
As Jesus was going along the road, a man came running to him and threw himself at his feet and asked him, ‘Good teacher, what am I to do to inherit eternal life?’ Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? There is no one who is good, except one - God. You know the commandments. You must not kill, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, you must not defraud anyone, you must honour your father and mother.’ He said to him, ‘Teacher, I have kept all these from my youth.’ When Jesus looked at him he loved him, and he said to him, ‘You still lack one thing. Go, sell all that you have, and give it to the poor and you will have treasure in heaven. And come! Follow me!’ But he was grieved at this saying, and he went away in sadness, for he had many possessions.
HERE is one of the most vivid stories in the gospels.
(1) We must note how the man came and how
Jesus met him. He came running. He flung himself at Jesus’ feet. There is something amazing in the sight of this rich, young aristocrat falling at the feet of the penniless prophet from Nazareth, who was on the way to being an outlaw. ‘Good teacher!’ he began. And straightaway Jesus answered back, ‘No flattery! Don’t call me good! Keep that word for God!’ It looks almost as if Jesus was trying to pour cold water on that young enthusiasm.
There is a lesson here. It is clear that this man came to Jesus in a moment of overflowing emotion. It is also clear that Jesus exercised a personal fascination over him. Jesus did two things that every evangelist and every preacher and every teacher ought to remember and to copy.
First, he said in effect, ‘Stop and think! Don’t get carried away by your excitement. I don’t want you swept to me by a moment of emotion. Think calmly what you are doing.’ Jesus was not coldshouldering the man. He was telling him even at the very outset to count the cost.
Second, he said in effect, ‘You cannot become a Christian by devotion to me. You must look at God.’ Preaching and teaching always mean the conveying of truth through personality, and
thereby lies the greatest danger of the greatest teachers. The danger is that the pupil, the scholar, the young person may form a personal attachment to the teacher or the preacher and think that it is an attachment to God. Teachers and preachers must never point to themselves. They must always point to God. There is in all true teaching a certain self-obliteration. True, we cannot keep personality and warm personal loyalty out of it altogether, and we would not if we could. But the matter must not stop there. Teachers and preachers are in the last analysis only pointers to God.
Excerpt from: "New Daily Study Bible: The Gospel of Mark" by William Barclay. Scribd.
Watch this episode the day Jesus denied he was God - and later cover-up!
ua-cam.com/video/CxrerjcWHg4/v-deo.html
Love him. Great man of God. Humble, gentle soul, who is strong in the LORD.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Isiah 9,6: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Shut up and read your Bible.
@@topgun9587 perfect scripture to refute the above.
@@befunkrn
Who is Jesus’s God??
“the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” Paul says
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@topgun9587
Who is Jesus’s God?
“the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” Paul says
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
I'm blessed that God directed me to this channel. Philippians 4:8 - "Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things."
All these seem to say, in a relatively disingenuous way, is that "all the things the Bible calls sin (especially sexual immorality) are fine and God would never actually punish you for them. The only real sin is calling things the Bible says are sin 'sin'."
It brings to mind that CS Lewis quote from The Problem of Pain that what we really want is a "grandfather in heaven" a "senile benevolent" who just wants us all to be happy and to have fun instead of holding us accountable to a standard of maturity and holiness.
"Bastards are spoiled, true heirs are disciplined... It is not more love we are asking for, but less."
What if your standard of maturity and holiness is merely a structure of control filling you with a negative judgmental perspective, inspiring you to spread hate under the guise of faith? What if you’ve been convinced you DESERVE suffering, but you’re simply just a human being, like all the rest? What if you’ve been conned into constant self-surveillance, living in fear of higher judgment, obeying what these false leaders tell you without question, just to feel part of a special club?
@@mads597 That's a good series of questions, but they ignore all the other EVIDIENCE. Sin is sinful, not because God arbitrarily and capriciously creates a series of rules, like some DM cherry picking rules from various editions of Dungeons and Dragons and various other Role Playing sourcebooks, because she likes this combat system and that magic system. Sin is sinful because sin hurts people and because it violates people, because when we act _selfishly_ we treat other people like things who exist for our pleasure instead of people.
Stealing hurts the person you steal from. Lying hurts the person you are lying about and it also hurts the person you are lying to.
Sex is fundamentally _human reproductive behavior._ When we pursue sex merely for pleasure we hurt the people we use to get that pleasure. Uniquely of all the sins, if Paul is to be believed, we even victimize ourselves. Part of this is because the pleasurable side of sex is there to help us bond with our life-mate.
We can see this simply by looking around. Promiscuous sexual behavior spreads a wide variety of diseases that spread virtually no other way. Many of these diseases are chronic, creating lasting, life-long health problems. Some are even fatal. It's almost as if God built in warning signs into creation to warn us to NOT DO IT.
Promiscuous sexual behavior also causes a significant number of psychological problems (or proceeds out of them): increased problems of depression, anxiety, and guilt. Objectifying others, objectifying ones self. It makes it harder to form long-term relationships (because one is tempted to bring sexuality into non-sexual friendships and because sex looses it's power to bond two people together when you've bonded sexually with all sorts of other people - and then bail on them when it's not "fun" anymore).
And sociologically we see a wide variety of negative impacts because promiscuity makes it harder for people to marry and because it leaves behind children who do not have a stable, two-parent family to grow up in. Science and personal experience tell us they wide variety of consequences _that_ has from increased rates of depression and drug use, to increased dropout rates, to increased crime rates, increased abuse rates, increased rates of the children growing up themselves to pursue unhealthy sexual relationships.
So, no, I don't fear that I've been conned into living up to some arbitrary standard of "holiness" fed to me by "false leaders" just to feel part of a club, and to give me permission to judge others or because I fear some imagined hell. Sin has consequences, not just in some afterlife, but here on earth. We recognize it enough that we've enshrined "rest one day a week", "don't murder", "don't steal", and "don't bear false witness" into our own laws. We see how terrible nations and people who worship themselves or some false ideal rather than God (whether it's money, power, fame or whatever) become. We've seen how abominable it is when people do evil and say it's in God's name (that what that whole "taking God's name in vain" commandment means) are.
It does mean that I take sin seriously and recognize the hurt and evil that goes with it. It means I understand why God hates it so much.
@@liljenborg2517
Very well said fam, God bless you always in Jesus' name, amen
You’re doing God’s work. Thank you for making this content. I have seen many of my peers falling into progressive “christianity”. 😔
I hear you loud and clear on that and many have fallen into the new age or away from the Bible and Jesus Christ all together
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 error, Jesus is God. Emanuel = God with us. That’s as simple as it gets without going into the countless scriptures that clearly show Jesus is in fact one of the 3 persons that make up the Godhead.
@@mitchellc4 John 1
The word WAS God.
You repent and believe in the bible.
You're just making stuff up.
Go away and die in your sins and leave those who believe in the true Christ as God in the flesh alone.
@@rogerwalters6443
Hello Roger
Let’s talk about John 1
“The word was with God”
Who is the word with?
The word was with the Father?
The word was with the trinity ?
The word was with Jesus?
Which?
cussing is one of my struggles i know its sinful because the holy spirit beats on my heart when i do it.
You can overcome! If you remove media that uses curse words from your life it’s a lot easier for those things to no longer come out of your mouth...cause it’s not going in.
When you show to be trustworthy and faithful to God in these little things he will set you over large things more significant things more and more into eternity!
That's called a heartbeat my dude
I pray God gives u the grace n strength to stop 🙏🏿
How do you know it’s the Holy Spirit? I’m not being skeptical of you, I’m genuinely curious. My experience has been feeling really bad about something like right after or even AS you are doing it. Then you repent of it.
It did give me reassurance, but I nearly fell away. I was so arrogant I didn’t even realize how bad it was. I went back to old sins. I knew it was wrong. I’ve repented of them now, but I’m still very scared. I’ve been praying and reading and asking for forgiveness. I keep finding so much evil in my heart.
The claim about Jesus dying to satisfy "our wrath" is so ridiculous
Not only ridiculous, but bordering on blasphemy.
@@nolanscripture true
@@nolanscripture it's not bordering, it's outright heresy
Mike is a breath of fresh air.
Two of my favourite people! Looking forward to part 2.
I'm JUST starting to watch my favorite 2 apologists and there is a part 2. NICE!!!
@@juanitadudley4788 Exactly!!!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Lets remember to convict our brothers and sisters with grace. It’s too easy for us to get offended and passionate when we encounter believers who’s perception of the gospel isn’t sound. However, Jesus always led with love when he called for repentance. Instead of berating those who may be ill informed. Pray for them and offer biblical resources to help rebuild their faith.
Or just let people live their lives in peace. Leave them alone, they’re unburdened by your fear and are wise enough to know a “rebuilding of faith” would mean imprisonment of their soul under the toxic and judgmental eye of self-serving leaders set on convincing you not to think for yourself and to follow them without question.
@@mads597 I don’t necessarily agree with you but I do respect your opinion and one else’s. Like in many religions there’s leaders who take advantage of their platform/position. However the focus of Christianity isn’t about them it’s about having a relationship with God. When I refer to helping people rebuild their faith i’m specifically referencing to people within the community and who you have a relationship with. I do agree that it’s unrealistic to hold other people to the principles of your religion if they don’t believe in it.
I like the Mike can have fun and be informative with his answers. Great guest to have.
You are becoming a warrior in God’s kingdom! Never take your eyes of the one who saved us!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Yay. Mike winger. I love his ministry and find it wonderful that you among many other solid ministries are collaborating. Especially during these times where we are all stuck at home. Thankyou for your work and ministry. It has been an encouragement during tough times and a “ progressive” era!
14:25 "why would it need to be rare..." broooo I never thought of it like that, poooof🤯🤯🤯🤯, thats eye opening and imma use it too
When you are born again all those things seems to disappear because that happened to me. I ended up resisting against those things
Amen! 🙏🏾 🙏🏾
Exactly ! I felt the same
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 The Gospel for our dispensation is 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and to be saved you have to believe that He died for your sins, was buried and rose again the 3rd day, all according to the Scriptures and to be saved you have to repent (change your mind) and trust Him to save you through what He did alone.
God Bless.
@@rafaeliacsity5315
Jesus said the gospel of the kingdom is for ALL nations then the end
Matt 24
14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
Paul preached the kingdom
Acts 20
which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God. 25 And now, behold, I know that all you among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom will see my face no more.
The Book of Acts ends with Paul preaching the kingdom
Acts 28
30 And he lived there two whole years at his own expense, and welcomed all who came to him,
31 preaching the kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus Christ quite openly and unhindered.
I just want to say how I appreciate you, Mike and other bible reading christians putting out theses types of videos. They are both challenging and encouraging.
Thank you for putting this content out. I'm so glad I've found you and Mike Winger. I used to go to Bryan Zhand"s church 15 years ago but left because something sounded off in the preaching. I just couldn't figure out what it was. Now to hear some of what he says I understand why it didn't sit well with me.
“My prayers are powerless and weak” most freeing thing I have heard in a long time!!!
Yes!! Oh man, that caught my attention!
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
I hope Mike reads your comment and all the ones that praises him.
Romans 12:2
John 15:19
You must not pray to God Yahweh and His Christ Yeshua(Jesus) because He has said that the effectual fervent prayers of the righteous avails much (James 5:16); it means that the prayers of the righteous are powerful, because the One they pray to is all-powerful and all the promises of God are in Him(Christ) yes and amen[2 Corinthians 1:20] and we know that if we pray according to His will then we have what we pray for [Mark 11:23-26; 1 John 5:14-15].
Alisa + Mike... what a treat. God bless you both.
“ Love creates wrath” absolutely
Love Mike Winger and Alisa Childers! Both of them helped my wife and I during COVID. Another Gospel is a must read guys if you haven't read it. Thanks for the work you both are during for the Kingdom.
Correction: with pregnancy complications, it's not that you're killing one to save the other, it's that you are saving one and failing, due to inadequate medical technology, to save the other. The difference is that the latter isn't actively killing the one, which would be murder, which is a philosophically important distinction.
Note: I believe this is Mike's view and that he simply misstated it in the moment, which is something we all do. I only posted this to clarify for any one who runs across this so that they have a more accurate understanding of what was probably meant as there are many people who would simply point to what he said and say that Mike Winger said it's ok to kill babies when he isn't saying that at all.
Yes!
That is perfectly stated! I think a change in the vocabulary we use may help with this distinction.
When both lives are in danger, then the baby should be “delivered” as opposed to “aborted” and all attempts should be made to save both lives.
Whenever people tell me that sometimes they have to abort baby to save mum. I say no, they birth baby. There is no reason to kill baby first, then birth it.
I hope you are right because I was just going to comment on it.
No, you don't kill someone because "they are going to die anyway" then we're supporting euthanasia which is no better than abortion
In a situation where the baby will die no matter what you do terminating the pregnancy to save the mother's life is morally justified, perhaps even required. I can buy that.
Thank you for your dedication to bringing our Father’s Words to us.
I’m so very, very ready for Jesus to return.
The greatest collab of all time
I'm so happy Doreen "introduced" me to Melissa, then Melissa intro'd me to Alisa...now I'll be checking out Mike's Content. Yay!!
41:26 The "4 primary hermaneutics" aren't different genres of scripture, they're different ways of reading a particular passage. Note, they don't conflict: if a passage can be read allegorically, that doesn't mean it can't also be read literally. For example, in Galatians 4, when Paul interprets the story of Hagar and Sarah allegorically, he's obviously not saying that neither woman actually existed. Also note that most of scripture probably can't be interpreted in all four ways, without some serious eisegesis.
When I lost my sister and I was asking questions I stumbled upon Mike Winger and I really really really love his videos.. Such a blessing Alisa Childers podcast is. Bless y'all..!! 😍😍
@Beastbombshell awwwww this is so sweet of you. Thank you so much.
I have been following Mike's preaching, then I went here :)
Take God as the "Father" more often. Your analogy of the child and the parent could probably answer most of these. Fathers punish their children, not for lack of love but because of love. For instance, a father would reprimand or punish a child for going into a street. Not because he is about anger and wrath, but because he doesn't want a car to come and take that child away. So many parallels of God's love and a love of a parent would answer these swiftly. Like these people don't know what a parent is supposed to do. 😥
while i am not disagreeing, i want to emphasize that the motivation behind ourselves punishing our own children out of love for their wellbeing is not the only thing. when you tell your kid to do something and it has nothing to do with their wellbeing, and they don't do it, do you not become angry? why? is it because they are at risk? no, it is because they defied you and you are their parent. so you punish them because it is wrong for them to do that. we need to make sure we don't overlook things or make light of things. is sin harmful to us? absolutely. but it is also an absolutely evil act against God that deserves His wrath.
@@bjornegan6421 good point, I also am not disagreeing, I was just using that as an example. There is obviously more to it, I just thought the simplest point to make would be the quickest to type out and the most effective. Thank you for your view and clarification.
The difference is a parent isn't likely to burn someone for all eternity even if they had the power to do so
I think you mean love of father, not love of a "parent"
And the world has some serious daddy issues
Love when my favorite people chat togethor!!!! Love hearing from Mike and Alisa!
Thank you for having these discussions and bringing clarity to those who are being led astray by false teachers/teachings. Being a part of the younger generation it’s scary to see these gradual changes within the church and it happens so subtly that most people don’t catch it and start to accept things that Jesus does not want for us. Again, thank you!
At 18:05, I can relate. I used to have a real road rage problem when I was younger and I worked on it to the point where my anger turned to concern and I was praying for safe travels for the folks I would have flipped off before. Then my son was born. Suddenly, I took such offense at dangerous driving habits around me, because they were endangering my son in the car with me, that I felt incensed, a violent wrath I haven't felt before. I'm still working on it, but your comment about how parental love can lead to wrath brought it to my mind.
Should we endorse drug addiction, gambling addiction, alcohol addiction, etc., as healthful ways of life? If not, then why should we endorse the various forms of sex addiction as healthful just because they are common? God warns about all these things for our own good.
The first step to recovery is recognizing that you have a problem.
It's good to see rational teachers standing up for a better life.
And how is same sex attraction physically harmful?
@@nemiza8288 All human activity has been corrupted, not just sexual attractions.
When Jesus walked among us, he showed us exactly that, and provided a way out. He was the light who gave us truth and grace.
The first step to recovery is to admit you have a problem.
The problem for all humans is wrapped up in one word: sin. 'Sin' literally means 'to fall short of the mark'. The mark we fall short of is the original "image of God" that we were intended to be. Sin means that all of us are broken, each in his or her own ways.
Jesus came to give people a new life in which they could be conformed to that true image of what it means to be a human being. He came to set the captives free.
That includes saying good-by to all types of overpowering passions such as angry violence and sexual immorality. Those passions are just as addicting as alcohol or drugs.
That is the cost of being a follower of Jesus, and also the benefit he gives us by his grace.
It is up to each of us to choose.
@@stephenbailey9969 amen
Why abort if both lives can be saved by delivering the child and treating the problem? If abortion had been available I might not be alive, as both my mother's and my life were in jeopardy until a C-section was performed. Both of us were saved by that method. So abortion is not acceptable to me at all.
I think an ectopic pregnancy creates this issue... baby is forming in the fallopian tube and will not grow until viable, but it will likely kill the mother when there tube erupts. There may be a few other instances, but they aren't as prevalent as the abortion- loving crowd suggest
An ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion.
@@maryannl7701 I'm aware of that. I was explaining what set of circumstances could result in a pregnancy killing mother and child.
@Pippi Bernstein No, the surgery for an abortion literally cuts limbs off the baby, sucks the brains out of the baby, and crushes the head to remove the baby. that's different than ectopic pregnancy surgery.
@Pippi Bernstein an ectopic pregnancy is not a viable pregnancy period. Abortion is tearing a child from the womb.
Loved this! Thank you both for this! I need more biblical truth in my life!
jill Tomfohr we all need biblical truth in our lives. Thanks for this reminder😊
The video title - that is such a good question to address for new Christians as well. I’ve been searching for these answers for a few months now. I used to be an atheist and I have these types of questions.
Bless you and please keep up the good work.
Two of my favorite channels/podcasters/people together. Awesome! Blessings on both of your teachings and ministries.
This was so helpful, looking forward to the next episode!
Two of my favorite teachers in one video!! Thank you SO much for this helpful, timely, and NECESSARY conversation!! God bless and strengthen you both in your crucial ministries!
I am SO glad I found this Mike guy’s videos!! He is so solid and grounded, and full of way more wisdom in his answers than most people.
Oh wow, I remember listening to “You Get Me” on the radio in college. So interesting to see you now with this channel. I am SO RELIEVED to see you speaking up against progressivism in the Church. The Church should shape the world, not the other way around.
This was so on point. What tends to happen so often which was pointed out in this conversation is how these questions are convoluted in a way so that the questioner can dodge what scripture clearly says on that particular issue.
Micheal Knowles said the same thing about the whole, "safe legal rare" argument, if it is perfectly fine then why should it be rare
I'm a recent subscriber to both channels, so when I saw this collaboration I got very excited.
This is great! I was thinking that we needed to see a conversation between the two of you. Especially after I watched Mike’s video on the Sadducees in Mark.
The following statement has impacted me greatly, though you may not see it initially. Here it is and I pray that it resounds with you as it has with me. "How we live matters" say that with meaning then as you read your Bible and look around at everything that is around you, that statement may just make you really think about everything you do and say. God bless all of you.
I highly appreciate the clarity and conciseness of these answers. It takes knowing WHY something is wrong to provide any quick answer that is effective and defensible.
I remember “safe, legal, and rare” from the days it was a hot topic ( before Roe/Wade). It was THE lie of the movement, and still is. It’s certainly not rare, and when people protest passage of laws requiring the same standards of care as any other medical surgical center, it becomes obvious that they also never meant the ‘safe’ part. The only thing that happened was it got made legal. And millions died.
It would be nice to hear Mike and Alisa share their experience as a Christian more over just being a topic. The Christian experience is of many testimonies.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4
Copy/Paste, lol
They have plenty of videos where they share their experiences. But we often get caught up in our personal experiences/our testimonies and other people's testimonies...which can make individual experiences the main focus, rather than the truth and light of the Gospel. If that makes sense? I had to learn this...I was very obsessed with testimonies (which I love and are important!) but knowing the Gospel is the most important. If you don't know what the Gospel says, it's easy to be swayed by the whims of culture...I've definitely been there...and it wasn't a good path. God bless and Love to you!
@@autumnbenson2450
Not testimony videos I don’t have one of those. Testify during their topics, one can always share without creating a whole video. Either way scripture should be the main focus or it will sound robotic. I got caught up in progressive Christianity and currently trying to help friends and family not mix worldly philosophy and ways by sharing true scripture.
John 3:3💞
Love Mike Winger and how he explains things. Thanks for having him on your podcast, Alisa! By the way, do you have any music coming out soon?
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Thanks for the reminder, brother!! Can't wait to see the Lord's return!!
@@mitchellc4 Prepare to burn in hell with that nonsense.
@@x-popone6817
Who is Jesus’s God?
“the God of our Lord Jesus Christ” as Paul says
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4 I knew you would respond with a bunch of Bible verses, just felt like that would happen, but anyway, I'm not going to address every single verse specifically here. I'm not interested in having a long debate about whether Jesus is God. I've had way too many similar debates and I don't wanna spend too much commenting on a specific UA-cam debate. Regardless, I'll just briefly debunk your argument:
Jesus came to earth in a human body as a servant of God. He "had a God" through his human body and his role as a servant of God. It's very simple. It doesn't mean He isn't God.
Also, since I've seen you using another argument in other threads, I'm going to debunk that other argument:
How did Jesus die if He's God? Simple. His human body died, not His divinity.
So glad I discovered your Podcasts. Thank you.
So, we're using Mike's channel, but my wife and I have made these videos into a weekly study time, and even the questions themselves have been great to chew on. Good on y'all.
That criminal analogy was brilliant
My husband is a deputy and I just had that image of him dealing with a suspect and telling them, "You are swimming against the flow of my love." Oh my gosh, that was just plain funny! Even being funny, it was a great example of punitive justice.
Lololol!
😂🤦🏼♀️😂
This was one of those episodes that was effortless to listen to and learn from.
Great show guys! Heading right over to part two.
Thankful for both of you. Have been following both of you. True warriors for the faith. Praying God blesses your outreach.
Can't wait for the next video. I threw up in my mouth a little bit in this video but I think I can handle the next one.😆
Too funny
“Jesus died to satisfy OUR wrath” yeah ok! Thank y’all for making this, as crazy as that statement is, some people would believe it.
Two of my FAVOURITES!!
Mike and my other faves, Dale and Veronica Partridge, brought me to Christ and biblical marriage. Now I am binging. I was muslim, and many other beliefs before that..pagan, witch, Mormon, etc. I am finally home. Thanks to people like you guys!!!
I just found your channel and love it. I saw the interview with Cooper and subscribed to both channels. My spirit fiercely repels from false prophets. Beth Moore was the first that was an immediate check in my Spirit. Joyce Meyer shares some things to which I can agree - but goes outside of scripture so much now I barely recognize the woman I watched years ago. The watered-down Christianity burgeoning in our society has led young Christians down the wrong path and turned even some of the most staunch believers to be apathetic or too frightened of offending others to stand firm in the Lord. Your podcasts are so important for all Christians who hunger for truth in God. Thank you for all you do!
“God’s justice isn’t punitive”: someone should tell Pharaoh...
Someone should tell the group of people who were swallowed up by the earth.
Amongst others
LOL.. pharaoh army DROWNED in “the flow of God’s love” 😂
Or the woman who was turned into a pillar of salt... for looking in the wrong direction.
And Sodom and Gomarrah! Hear that New Orleans and San Diego?? It's all a part of the great lie designed to fill hell!!
The point of their list is to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing by either making nothing wrong or disqualifying God as a judge. Back in 85 a saying I heard said the following: God gave us freedom, but we wanted license.
At 4:50 on cussing. I'm more concerned about behaviours than words. I see sanctimonious Christians who have abusive behaviours, committing adultery and paedophiles criticising people who cuss.
We should uphold both. Purity in speech and behavior. Be holy as your Heavenly Father is Holy. With God & fellowship of His Spirit... it’s possible
That's you. But God judges both.
@@Eric-dd8bk Does God judge paedophilia as being worse than cussing?
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir
Can't recall the exact verse, but God said, you break one law, you've broken all laws.
Meaning the wage of sin is the same no matter whatever sin it is.
Of course, God saves both if they repent too.
@@Eric-dd8bk I'm sure the scriptures don't say that. So, if I cuss that makes me a paedophile, murderer, adulterer, homosexual et al. Somehow, I don't think so. You had better find the scripture and quote it in context.
The original Post is down :D Thanks for the Video! God bless you!
2 of my faves in one spot!! So excited for this!!
The cursing issue isn't just discussed in progressive circles. I know I have had people ask me who determines what words are vulgar and which aren't, and often the answer is society. Christians do have a habit of deciding since an action can lead some people to sin, therefore it must be totally bad, therefore we will call it sin. It's why the topic of alcohol has been debated forever. A thing cannot be a sin, but it can be used to sin. Knives are used to murder, so should they be then call using a knife a sin? No. Using words in context is not wrong, however, we have to ask ourselves why we want to use them and and if how we are using it is really necessary. On the first page of the first chapter of Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis, when talking about people's standards, he said that rarely does a person reply, 'To hell with your standard.' Now, I was always taught that you shouldn't do that, yet he did, in a book recommended by thousands of ministers. Paul said all things are lawful, but not all are beneficial; if you know certain things will turn some people off and prevent you from being about to minister to certain people, maybe you should think about if it is worth it or not. When we give our lives to God, it is no longer about our wants and desires, but His.
Modern Christianity is all about focusing on "how those other Christians are doing it wrong" instead of taking an honest appraisal of the faith and why its in decline.
The thing is if what these 'Christians' are teaching is unbiblical and they are doing it in the name of Christ and Christianity and they are bringing alot of people into their heresies then we need to speak out against it.
If there are people with a following that are teaching people things that are not of God, we need to address them because they are like Shepherds that are not feeding their flocks.
These videos are to keep people from falling into traps and teachings that are against God and to bring people to knowledge of the true God of the bible and of the gospel.
Nonetheless I agree that it is a focus, and we should NEVER lose sight of Christ, but it is a work that needs to be done. But we should always be striving to know the heart of God and to understand the gospel better and bring people closer.
@@edtachiri The word heresy is meaningless in 2020, it implies there is a true orthodox church that is in contact with God. The world has 1000's of variations of Christianity with their own version of orthodoxy and none of them seem to have access to any of the super powers granted in the Bible, or be significantly different from each other, certainly nothing like the church in Acts. According to most Jews the New Testament is a Heresy, they like most Europeans and rational people everywhere find it a conflicted mess, you actually need a strong imagination to pull together any kind of orthodoxy.
@@LukeVidler I agree. There are alot of heresies in the church. But that doesn't mean men of God should not call them out. Even if they are small. And we should be praying for reform in the body of Christ.
Nonetheless, when there are DAMNABLE heresies, then if no-one says anything I would be shocked and wrathful. Heresies are bad enough. But damnable heresies are sending people straight to hell.
@@LukeVidler Vague appeals to popular belief does not an argument make.
The hard truth is that Christ does not approve of abortion, divorce, gay marriage, artificial birth control and sex outside marriage.
The point regarding the 4 methods of interpretation is a practice called the quadriga. This was popular back in the Middle Ages and has come back to life in the progressive Christianity movement as an abandonment of literal interpretation. People either feel the Word of God is infallible or it’s fallible, I tend to think that actual believers understand God’s true nature of infallibility and inerrancy.
So appreciate the ministry’s of Mike & Alicia.
May the Lord continue to equip & strengthen you for “this good work.”
Both have great pod casts. Great to see them together. Really helpful.
If the police put everyone who "did bad stuff" in prison, everyone would be in prison. Cool analogy
Finally someone not justifying sin so that we feel better.
i firmly believe that most of the items on this list stem from a desire to embrace "love/compassion" at the expense of truth...this has been the dna of way too many fellow believers i've encountered over the past decade or so....very disturbing and dangerous trend in American churches...
Exactly!!! I agree.
Great point: "God's wrath is appropriate and right."
Mikeee Winger yh! Thanks Alisa for doing this very necessary video !
God bless you both. Thank you for not submitting to the world. Thank you for standing up for the Lord
Progressive Christianity is not Christianity. It's false.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
Do is conservative Christianity that has embraced politics over the Christ.
@William Wertz
Jesus has a God
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz
Jesus has a God
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@William Wertz
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
Col 1
3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Progressive Christianity, is like a vegan who still eats meat and tries to justify it. They are the definition of lukewarm
"It's never safe, a human life is killed in every successful abortion", maybe the best quote of the entire video.
With every time you don't have sex your killing your sperm and taking the chance of a child to live away by thay logic.
@@nikkialkema1032 Sorry, I don't know what logic you are using there, but it makes no sense. Fertilization creates a new human being, its science, its repeatable and testable, we have at least 7 Billion living examples. Not one was born of just sperm or just an egg. From the moment of conception you have a human with unique DNA that if allowed to develop will become a living baby under most circumstances. If the fertilization is unviable in most circumstances the pregnancy will terminate itself very early, even before the mother knows she's pregnant many times. So by the time a mother knows she's pregnant, most of those are viable human beings that will be born alive, if allowed. There is a big difference between preventing pregnancy and terminating pregnancy.
@@edcorps2876 The child is by conseption as alive as a plant it doesn't feel a thing from the abortion and what if the mother was raped nobody would like living knowing they only exist because of rape and what if the mother is only thirteen or somthing like that the chance the kid survives is small and the chance the mother survives is even smaller both of them can feel it it then and your killing two people. If you have a problem with abortions you should also be so hardcore vegan you don't even eat plants. I don't know you personaly but most "pro life" people only want more children so they can do they dirty work when they grow up. These conservatives only care about themselves. You said that we have 7 billion living examples but what about all the miscarriges. The reason there is less of these now is because of abortion. Why carry a child for nine months if they are gonna die anyway, that way they're just gonna suffer. And what if you live somewhere where people are starving? You can't breastfeed if you don't have enough food. Or will you just let them die once they're born? If someone can't take care of kids they shoudn't have them either, but I do agree that if you can take care of them, are in good health and you are old enough and are not raped you should just get your kid.
@@nikkialkema1032 Let me just point out a couple of things. You speak of rape, but yet you lower humans to the level of animals and plants. How is it that you can find rape immoral if I should be a "hardcore vegan" because killing animals is basically the same as killing humans? And how is it that rape is immoral if a baby at conception is 'nothing more than a plant'? I can't see from your own logic how you could find genocide, rape, starvation, or any of these things immoral. Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Does it even cross their mind? Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? It might make things easier, but they certainly don't care if they can accomplish their goal. If you don't see the sanctity of human life then I don't see how you could be outraged about any of these other things. There are plenty of mothers that have children born out of rape that would tell you they are glad they did not terminate, I think the majority that kept their babies would tell you that. Why? Because the human being that is born is not the human being that did them wrong. They see the innocent baby, they raise them, they see that those children love them and they find satisfaction even in the pain. Why because they value that human being, even under the circumstances to which they were brought into the world. Human life is precious and if you can't see that, then you are not going to see anything except through the lens of self fulfilment. The Bible tells us that all humans are made in the image of God and have intrinsic worth, if that's not true, then your morality and moral arguments have no basis.
@@edcorps2876 Do animals care for other animals that are starving? Yes, elefhants, dogs, cats, foxes, wolves and many other species care, cats even care about other species and have been known to adopt dogs. Does it even cross their mind? Yes. Do animals care if their mates are willing participants? Wolves, foxes (though not all foxes cuz animals are people) and swans do and there are other species who care.
Rape is immoral because you have sex with someone who doesn't want to not because of the child. I think it is great that people are willing to raise a child that came from rape but it is the mothers choice and no one elses telling people what to do is immoral. The bible tells us that humans are made in the immage of God you say, but the bible also says that those humans got kicked out of paradise for a reason. And my point with the plants was just that they don't feel and neither does the abborted "baby" because they're not a human jet, and killing one of them is as immoral as killing a plant. Besides you say that I level humans down to animals jet humans tigers and some kinds of snakes are the only species who kill eachother so how great are humans really, I am not bringing humans down I am telling the truth, there is no need for more humans on this planet. Mankind is the species that started sin. I don't think we should go extinct just don't say we're in Gods image as we were once.
Nice bookshelf there young man. Nice to see a happy face. Scholars can be so seriously minded. Truth makes you happy n smile. And also truth is so simple.
So thankful for both of these amazing saints. Alisa, you have encouraged me so much already and I only just found you this week. You are an answer to prayer.
01. Cussing, is that culturally or scriptural? How many of us tell our kids we are proud of them?
02. If Gay means overly expressive joy then correct but if you mean homosexual acts, well Jesus condemns "porneia"
03. as a follower of the Christ we are called to vote our convictions.
04. Murder.
05. Hell is not a simple subject.
06. Carrot and stick are both tools
07. your sincerity to want to seek and know the true God is known including any impediments.
08. 1" off ground is the start of heaven, sheoul(the grave) is the start of hell. Real places
09. Holy Justice demands righteous restitution
10. See #7
11. … literally? condescension or stupidity?
12. … seriously? condescension or stupidity?
13. The Holy Spirit helps me understand and accept what scripture says.
The thoughts of Richard Rohr amaze me. How can he say Hell is "theologically impossible" when millions (perhaps billions) of people including well-trained Biblical scholars and pastors have had no theological problem with it for thousands of years.
You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.
John 5:39-40 NIV
Sure. Jesus affirms Bible but he says he's greater than Bible.
John 17:3 amen
Don’t minimize the value of the Scriptures though. Psalm 19 and 119. It’s Gods own Word, love it.
This has become one of my favourite podcasts. Thank you. God bless
Cursing is a reflection of the heart....yes not a major sin but it is a forgivable sin....if you are truly born again you will not like vulgar language....cursing is just one thing we should not feel numb to.