"...the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given that a nation bearing the fruits of it."Matthew 21:43. The nation born in a day, the day of Pentecost. "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy NATION.....Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God." 1 Pet 2:9,10. The words of Jesus, "...there will be one flock and one shepherd." Jn 10:16 Jesus doesn't have two peoples.
Bertoli says "I don't have to play gymnastics with the text" then does precisely that throughout his arguments. He also does so smugly. His presentation can be summed as reading every scripture through dispensationalist lenses then just saying "that's just the way it is" as his proof. Frustrating that he took this tactic.
Wrong Ireal was cut off and salvation went to the gentiles under the dispensation of grace. This dispensation ends with rapture. Isreal continues its kingdom to be established at the Jesus return. READ PAULS EPISTLES AND RIGHTLY DIVIDE LIKE IT SAYS!
@@ChristisSaviour33 you're wrong, millions of Jews since first century AD have rejected Christ and they don't have eternal life according to Gospel, and God has been just and fair for giving the world a better covenant, but still the millions of Jews throughout the centuries have rejected Christ. You got the wrong gospel.
@Romans327 jews will be saved during the tribulation. The Kingdom will be established and fullfilled just like the prophet's prophesied... Study Paul's epistles and STOP SPIRITUALIZING the scripture and study for what it say not what you want it to say. For today Both Jew and Gentile must accept by faith WITHOUT works the blood atomenet for your sins. That's what the Bible teaches stop spiritualizing or you will end up with false teaching like the one your trying to teach
@@bradleycannon146 the church DID NOT replace ISREAL. Isreal is cut off for now. When the body of christ which makes up both Jew and Gentile is taken off the earth. The focus of Gods plan for Isreal continues through the Davidic covenant. Isreal will be established just like it says. Resd Romans chapter 11 ...Stop spiritualizing the scripture. Paul say to RIGHTLY DIVIDE. Isreal and the church are separate from one another. Study the scripture for what it says
@mikealessi7006 can you back up your doctrinal belief with Scripture? Then answer this: Excluding Revelation 20, give me a few Scriptures that state we will rule with Christ, on earth for 1000 years.
I'm always wary of a pastor in a debate who starts off saying how debates between brothers should be non-advesarial. Bertoli started his presentation in that exact manner then became defensive and dismissive when he felt he was losing ground. It's the same as anyone who repeatedly proclaims how honest they are. Look out when that happens. It almost always mean they aren't honest.
Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
Tommy: Find me a verse that says the Church is Israel. Steve: Find me a verse that says "God the Son." Tommy: I'm going to pretend the last ten seconds never happened.
I agree with Steve about the 144,000 in Revelation...in no way did it say they would be ministers, for what would they preach, if they don't believe the Gospel...because the New Testament is the reality of the old Testament of what He would in his Son Jesus.
So When Jesus says ' tear down this temple and in three days I'll raise it up. What did Jesus say of the children of the kingdom in Matthew 8: 11-12. Jesus was not a Zionist.
this is not even hard. the gentiles were never even included in the sinai covenant made to only the 12 tribes of israel. the sinai covenant was established upon the israelis saying they would do all that the lord had said. in what sense is the covenant made through faith in christ even similar to the sinai one? they offer different benefits and in different worlds (world and eternity). the sinai covenant blessings end when you die, but the christ covenant blessings begin when you die. the sinai covenant punished for not following the law. the christ covenant says that all things are lawful, though not necessarily helpful.
Who is Israel? Is Israel determined by DNA alone, or by character & behavior shaped by the LORD’s statutes & judgments? “Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:” (Romans 9.6, KJV) “Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” (Matthew 21.42-44, KJV) “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20, KJV) “(22.20) And a stranger shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 22.21, JPS) “(23.8) Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, for he is thy brother; thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land. (23.9) The children of the third generation that are born unto them may enter into the assembly of the LORD.” (Deuteronomy 23.7-8, JPS) “Thou shalt not covetᴴ²⁵³⁰ thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covetᴴ²⁵³⁰ thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.” (Exodus 20.17, KJV) H2530 (Strong) חָמַד châmad khaw-mad' A primitive root; to delight in: - beauty, greatly beloved, covet, delectable thing, ( X great) delight, desire, goodly, lust, (be) pleasant (thing), precious (thing). “Thou shalt not bear falseᴴ⁸²⁶⁷ witness against thy neighbour.” (Exodus 20.16, KJV) H8267 (Strong) שֶׁקֶר sheqer sheh'-ker From H8266; an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): - without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully. “Thou shalt not stealᴴ¹⁵⁸⁹ (get by stealth.)” (Exodus 20.15, KJV) H1589 (Strong) גָּנַב gânab gaw-nab' A primitive root; to thieve (literally or figuratively); by implication to deceive: - carry away, X indeed, secretly bring, steal (away), get by stealth. “Thou shalt not kill.ᴴ⁷⁵²³” (Exodus 20.13, KJV+) H7523 (Strong) רָצַח râtsach raw-tsakh' A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er). Total KJV occurrences: 47 “And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.” (Deuteronomy 20.5-8, KJV) “When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege: Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.” (Deuteronomy 20.19-20, KJV) “Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say: Amen.” (Deuteronomy 27.17, JPS) ¶ “Cursed be anyone who strikes down a neighbor in secret.” All the people shall say, “Amen!” ¶ “Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.” All the people shall say, “Amen!” ¶ “Cursed be anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by observing them.” All the people shall say, “Amen!” (Deuteronomy 27.24-26 NRSV) Conclusion: Zionist ≠ Israel
"...the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given that a nation bearing the fruits of it."Matthew 21:43. The nation born in a day, the day of Pentecost. "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy NATION.....Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God." 1 Pet 2:9,10. The words of Jesus, "...there will be one flock and one shepherd." Jn 10:16 Jesus doesn't have two peoples.
Couldnt have said it better, I would personally add, but not needed
Matthew 21:33-46
The Parable of the Tenants
I wish the audio was better
Bertoli says "I don't have to play gymnastics with the text" then does precisely that throughout his arguments. He also does so smugly. His presentation can be summed as reading every scripture through dispensationalist lenses then just saying "that's just the way it is" as his proof. Frustrating that he took this tactic.
It's seems to Me in study Steve is correct, Isreal is fulfilled in Christ Jesus, the New Covenant Spiritual Isreal.
Wrong Ireal was cut off and salvation went to the gentiles under the dispensation of grace. This dispensation ends with rapture. Isreal continues its kingdom to be established at the Jesus return. READ PAULS EPISTLES AND RIGHTLY DIVIDE LIKE IT SAYS!
@@ChristisSaviour33 you're wrong, millions of Jews since first century AD have rejected Christ and they don't have eternal life according to Gospel, and God has been just and fair for giving the world a better covenant, but still the millions of Jews throughout the centuries have rejected Christ.
You got the wrong gospel.
@Romans327 jews will be saved during the tribulation. The Kingdom will be established and fullfilled just like the prophet's prophesied... Study Paul's epistles and STOP SPIRITUALIZING the scripture and study for what it say not what you want it to say. For today Both Jew and Gentile must accept by faith WITHOUT works the blood atomenet for your sins. That's what the Bible teaches stop spiritualizing or you will end up with false teaching like the one your trying to teach
@@bradleycannon146 the church DID NOT replace ISREAL. Isreal is cut off for now. When the body of christ which makes up both Jew and Gentile is taken off the earth. The focus of Gods plan for Isreal continues through the Davidic covenant. Isreal will be established just like it says. Resd Romans chapter 11 ...Stop spiritualizing the scripture. Paul say to RIGHTLY DIVIDE. Isreal and the church are separate from one another. Study the scripture for what it says
@mikealessi7006 can you back up your doctrinal belief with Scripture?
Then answer this: Excluding Revelation 20, give me a few Scriptures that state we will rule with Christ, on earth for 1000 years.
Steve is simply the best ❤
God sees 2 people,saved,unsaved
What Tom said at the end in response to the guys question about the bloodline is that God is racist.
I'm always wary of a pastor in a debate who starts off saying how debates between brothers should be non-advesarial. Bertoli started his presentation in that exact manner then became defensive and dismissive when he felt he was losing ground. It's the same as anyone who repeatedly proclaims how honest they are. Look out when that happens. It almost always mean they aren't honest.
The wild olive tree is grafted into the stump of Jesse, the two ars combined, thers is one tree, one israel, the Israel of God...
Luke 17:20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”
Thanks for sharing
Welcome!
Tommy is just lying when he says Peter didnt say that the day of Pentecost was fulfilling Joel's prophecy. Wow.😮
If he got a different gospel, is he saved?
Tom is delusional at best
The seed was JESUS CHRIST AND FAITH IN OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST THE PROMISE TO Abraham Galatians chapter 3
Galations 6:15-16 Paul clearly declares the Church as the Israel of God.
Tommy: Find me a verse that says the Church is Israel.
Steve: Find me a verse that says "God the Son."
Tommy: I'm going to pretend the last ten seconds never happened.
I agree with Steve about the 144,000 in Revelation...in no way did it say they would be ministers, for what would they preach, if they don't believe the Gospel...because the New Testament is the reality of the old Testament of what He would in his Son Jesus.
Tom is going to believe what he wants to believe doesn't matter what the Bible says or what Steve says. The Bible is plain!!
Why defense of rejectors ? Why?
Doesn’t anyone read Romans 9, 10 & 11 anymore?
So When Jesus says ' tear down this temple and in three days I'll raise it up. What did Jesus say of the children of the kingdom in Matthew 8: 11-12. Jesus was not a Zionist.
Bad audio
this is not even hard. the gentiles were never even included in the sinai covenant made to only the 12 tribes of israel.
the sinai covenant was established upon the israelis saying they would do all that the lord had said.
in what sense is the covenant made through faith in christ even similar to the sinai one? they offer different benefits and in different worlds (world and eternity). the sinai covenant blessings end when you die, but the christ covenant blessings begin when you die.
the sinai covenant punished for not following the law. the christ covenant says that all things are lawful, though not necessarily helpful.
God is no reapector of people,
Respector*
Gymnastics and calistenics
Who is Israel?
Is Israel determined by DNA alone, or by character & behavior shaped by the LORD’s statutes & judgments?
“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:” (Romans 9.6, KJV)
“Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.” (Matthew 21.42-44, KJV)
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20, KJV)
“(22.20) And a stranger shalt thou not wrong, neither shalt thou oppress him; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 22.21, JPS)
“(23.8) Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite, for he is thy brother; thou shalt not abhor an Egyptian, because thou wast a stranger in his land. (23.9) The children of the third generation that are born unto them may enter into the assembly of the LORD.” (Deuteronomy 23.7-8, JPS)
“Thou shalt not covetᴴ²⁵³⁰ thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covetᴴ²⁵³⁰ thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.” (Exodus 20.17, KJV)
H2530 (Strong)
חָמַד
châmad
khaw-mad'
A primitive root; to delight in: - beauty, greatly beloved, covet, delectable thing, ( X great) delight, desire, goodly, lust, (be) pleasant (thing), precious (thing).
“Thou shalt not bear falseᴴ⁸²⁶⁷ witness against thy neighbour.” (Exodus 20.16, KJV)
H8267 (Strong)
שֶׁקֶר
sheqer
sheh'-ker
From H8266; an untruth; by implication a sham (often adverbially): - without a cause, deceit (-ful), false (-hood, -ly), feignedly, liar, + lie, lying, vain (thing), wrongfully.
“Thou shalt not stealᴴ¹⁵⁸⁹ (get by stealth.)” (Exodus 20.15, KJV)
H1589 (Strong)
גָּנַב
gânab
gaw-nab'
A primitive root; to thieve (literally or figuratively); by implication to deceive: - carry away, X indeed, secretly bring, steal (away), get by stealth.
“Thou shalt not kill.ᴴ⁷⁵²³” (Exodus 20.13, KJV+)
H7523 (Strong)
רָצַח
râtsach
raw-tsakh'
A primitive root; properly to dash in pieces, that is, kill (a human being), especially to murder: - put to death, kill, (man-) slay (-er), murder (-er).
Total KJV occurrences: 47
“And the officers shall speak unto the people, saying, What man is there that hath built a new house, and hath not dedicated it? let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man dedicate it. And what man is he that hath planted a vineyard, and hath not yet eaten of it? let him also go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man eat of it. And what man is there that hath betrothed a wife, and hath not taken her? let him go and return unto his house, lest he die in the battle, and another man take her. And the officers shall speak further unto the people, and they shall say, What man is there that is fearful and fainthearted? let him go and return unto his house, lest his brethren's heart faint as well as his heart.” (Deuteronomy 20.5-8, KJV)
“When thou shalt besiege a city a long time, in making war against it to take it, thou shalt not destroy the trees thereof by forcing an axe against them: for thou mayest eat of them, and thou shalt not cut them down (for the tree of the field is man's life) to employ them in the siege: Only the trees which thou knowest that they be not trees for meat, thou shalt destroy and cut them down; and thou shalt build bulwarks against the city that maketh war with thee, until it be subdued.” (Deuteronomy 20.19-20, KJV)
“Cursed be he that removeth his neighbour's landmark. And all the people shall say: Amen.” (Deuteronomy 27.17, JPS)
¶ “Cursed be anyone who strikes down a neighbor in secret.” All the people shall say, “Amen!”
¶ “Cursed be anyone who takes a bribe to shed innocent blood.” All the people shall say, “Amen!”
¶ “Cursed be anyone who does not uphold the words of this law by observing them.” All the people shall say, “Amen!”
(Deuteronomy 27.24-26 NRSV)
Conclusion:
Zionist ≠ Israel