Of course they are going to WAY overprice them. And you can forget that they are going to drop to the fair price in 2 months. In a year.....maybe. Two years probably. Just look at the total fail zen 5 is, It is going to be the same. Even if it is decent it WILL be over priced. They don't care at all of the consumer market. They earn more making server parts from the same allocated silicone. Just like Ngreedia.
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@@cajampa by way overprice them, I mean they will set price so high that buying it will be still choice between a little more VRAM and couple more $$ in your wallet against better RT and DLSS in coresponding NVidia 40 series.
Being later gen release it definitely should. Considering 4070 Ti is only little over $700 now. Edit: Oh, you said 4070 Ti Super. Yeah, then it might be more tough comparison.
Peoblem is next year 5nm wil get price increased by TSMC. i heard that next year 5nm will start at $20, 000? that was the price of 3nm roughly 2 years ago.
I find it extremely hard to believe that RDNA4 will be able to match the 7900 XT much less the XTX. It only has 2.5% more memory bandwidth than the 7800 XT with the same infinity cache size! It doesn't matter how much higher the core clocks are if there isn't enough memory bandwidth to feed those cores.
Launching an 8GB gpu at the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025 should be sub 150$. Otherwise it should be DOA. There are already a ton of games that require more than 8GB at settings other than low. And we are starting to see games that go over 8GB on low. So AMD better rethinks launching anything with 8GB unless it is really cheap.
I respectfully disagree. You have hundreds of millions of gamers still on 1080p and who do not like most recent AAA games. the 60 series card does not need more than 8GB.
I would expect 32MB per 128-bits of active memory bus. 64MB for 256-bit, 48MB for 192-bit, 32MB for 128-bit in N44. (If they one day in the future do a 96-bit or 64-bit budget N44 SKU ever expect to see a 24MB or 16MB cache. However I guess N44 could be different and be 48MB for 128-bit (36MB for 96-bit, 24MB for 64-bit))
All this speculation seems kind of pointless, if it is known to be 64CU, just take a 7800xt make it 20-30% faster and you have the performance. Without massive clock increases we are looking at about 4070ti to best case 4070ti super performance. Anything above $500 and this card will be a failure.
@@arenzricodexd4409 The issue is using amd rdna performance gain when keeping CU count the same, reaching 4070ti super levels of performance caps you at $800 for 2 year old performance. AMD can’t be anywhere near that price especially when they will only be using GDDR6
I'll be shocked if 8800XT is under $549. I'd expect: 8800 XT 16GB 20 GBps $599 8800 ESE? 16 GB 18 GBps $549 (Note: Golden Rabbit becomes Earth Snake or Golden Snake FOR 2025) 8700 XT 16 GB $499 8600 XT 12GB $349 (Maybe called 8600) 8600 8GB $289 (Maybe called 8500) It's possible that product stack could start at $549, go $549 for 8800XT, $499 for the ESE, $449 for the 8700XT, $329 for 8600XT/8600 and $269 for 8600/8500 (names seem a bit vague at the bottom of the stack). That's a much closer match to current 7000 gen pricing but there are meaningful gains here and prices have gone up for major components so I cannot see these being cheaper, especially not while there is still so much 7000 stock left. There's a bit of vagueness on the lower part of the stack. It could be 8700 XT 12 GB, 8600 XT 16 GB and 8600 8GB. If it is this format, the bottom two cards will both be 8600 not 8600 and 8500, and pricing might be $429/$349/$289 That's what is messing up AMD, and to a lesser degree Nvidia, how much inventory will need to suffer heavy discounting.
I'm not so sure on 'aggressive' pricing. New pc parts have not dropped to pre pandemic norms, even adding in high inflation rates. The overall pricing is still higher than expected and a lot of this is laid at the door of AI, but I think there's more to it than that. My feeling is that nVidia and AMD 'normalised' the market to pay more for less (My RX6800XT is still sold at $460 and I only paid $520 nearly two years ago). At this point tech seems to be outpacing the manufacturing due to costs, and it feels like we're heading back to the great ol' days of Intel drip feeding upgrades for over a decade. There still seems to be very little competition in GPUs as nVidia move away from gamers and into AI, leaving a space for AMD to grow, but what's the incentive to be 'aggressive'? I think this is marketing setting expectations to dupe people into thinking we getting a good deal.
7800xt caused mass adoption. It sold out for several weeks and prices went up way above 500 for months. Getting a 4070TiS competitor with the 8800XT for 500 would be huge.
@@nipa5961 What's your source for this "mass adoption" ? If true, great, if it means AMD can get some money in the bank to do more dev, but the card was a lukewarm reception in reviews, and generally PANNED by us, the consumers - so I'm having a hard time believing that it sold well. And don't call me an nVidia fanboy, because I'm posting from my RX 6800 as we speak; on the used market, the 6800 was easily the best value for a good long time, hence why I bought it used, around 1.5 years ago. This card needs to perform at least 30% better than the 7800XT, for a slightly lower price, and so far, I'm not seeing it reach that level of performance, aka a 7900XT. It will fall at least 5%, maybe more, short of that requirement. (hell, the worst estimates only puts it at around 10% faster than the 7800XT, so barely better at all)
Yes and no, it's a stop gap yes but no it's not a refresh. It's a legit new gen with newer node and better RT from new architecture. The only reason it's a stop gap is because AMD is skipping high end kinda like Polaris and RDNA1.
I am interested in a 12gb version IF its cheap! 12gb is minimum now so I expect minimum pricing of about 250USD max. If Intel's successor to the Arc A580 has 12gb of ram as rumored, and they've fixed their problems they had with the previous GPU's, AMD's card will have competition. I expect the intel card not to cost that much more than the A580. My price range is 250USD max, it will be my first upgrade in 5 years if it comes out this fall. I need a good card to match my 12400f processor and these cards should be perfect.
No 12gb card will be priced under US$250. Try and get a used ARC card or a used 7700XT or 7600XT 16GB. Intel's new generation will not be as aggressively priced as Arc was, Intel simply cannot afford it right now, so you can cross the A580 replacement off your list.
@@AndyViant I never buy used and 12gb its almost obsolete. Current Arc has problems, especially with old games, so that is a no go too. I always hear GDDR is cheap now so they should, we can't stay in obsolete land forever, 12 isn't much now.
Does AMD have loads of stock of 7900xt/gre 7800xt? If so its doomed from the start. Why? 8800xt raster will be at a head of all these card. Plus RT 4070super. Sadly so many card will not be dropping in price, so the 8800xt will be over priced. Its a small card,low power, cheap and if the card is over 500 by much its dead.
OK but we do need "efficiency" in 8000 series / RDNA 4 cards. 40W+ @ "video playback" UA-cam, Netflix/VLC etc. (all models inc. RX 6800 & Up) is RIDICULUS... Did u hear that AMD ? 🤔
It would be nice if these were efficient enough to result in a true 2 slot card and under 10 inches long for sff cases. One of these without a power connector that is more powerful than an rx 560 would be nice too. AMD is still better for Linux.
My 7800XT and 7900XTX System are @16W on a Dual and Triple Monitor Setup @YT and Netflix. So Your information is outdated because things have been improved over time via drivers. The whole thing also depends heavily on the monitor combination. Nvidia and especially Intel also have high idle Power consumption with exotic monitor combinations. When completely idle, both of my cards are at 8-9W.
@@elpman001 In general GPUs should be at most a dual slot(3.8 inches height), 10 inches long and 4.3 inches tall. And I really miss single slot GPUs and the fact that there aren't more GPUs like the Gigabyte SFF RTX 4060.
even if it can perform at same level like RTX 5080 in theory I feel like they will manage to make it somewhat worse and with worse drivers, so it will end up at same level like RTX 5070 at best and 5070 that will be like 500-600 dolars card, so not really worth price saving by buying 8800 XT
The 5700XT was a gross price increase over it's predecessor, Polaris. And before someone chimes in - no - it wasn't proceeded by Vega, it was Polaris because Vega is HBM. Had there been a 5900XT, maybe you could get away with calling that a Vega replacement since there was no high end Polaris (because if there had been, it would have been as good or better than Vega) nor was there a low end Vega.
I think we are going to see some new games that doesn't support the old style of rendering but instead uses Ray Tracing for just about everything they can. Just look at Sar Wars Outlaws. This game has options for raytracing to be used in everything from Ultra to Low, but there is no way to turn Ray tracing of anything off. As a result Nvidia GPU's top the performance list with something like 6 cards before the first Radeon, the RX 7900 XTX makes the list. It's then about 5 more Nvidia based GPU's befor the Radeon RX 7900 XT shows it's face. This is according to benchmarks made by Steve at Hardware Unboxed. In total he tested more than 40 GPU's in this game and the top of the 1080p Ultra settings list looks approximately like this: GeForce RTX 4090 171 fps GeForce RTX 4080 Super 150 fps GeForce RTX 4080 137 fps GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super 122 fps GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 117 fps GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 114 fps Radeon RX 7900 XTX 113 fps GeForce RTX 3090 111 fps GeForce RTX 4070 Super 108 fps GeForce RTX 4070 103 fps GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 103 fps Radeon RX 7900 XT 98 fps GeForce RTX 3080 96 fps Radeon RX 7900 GRE 82 fps GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB 80 fps Radeon RX 7800 XT 78 fps Radeon RX 6950 XT 74 fps Radeon RX 6900 XT 70 fps Radeon RX 7700XT 68 fps Radeon RX 6800XT 67 fps GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB 61 fps Again all info comes from the video called "Star Wars Outlaws GPU Benchmark (43 GPUs) 522 Data Points!" oposted on YT by Hardware Unboxed. Watch it, Steve did some impressive work benchmarking this, so watch it and see for your self what he discovered. This is a daunting list, but remember that this is at a resolution of 1080 using upscaling and so on. Higher resolutions isn't going to give you better frame rates. What can be seen is that the Nvidia implementation of Ray Tracing is having better performance. You can also see that 8 GB of VRAM is not enough. The difference between the 3060 Ti 16 GB and 8 GB is 20 fps with the 8 GB version at 61 fps and the 16 GB version at 80fps. Abandoning the old version or rendering makes it easier for the developers as they only have to assign light sources and the engine will do the rest handling both the light and the shadows. This saves them work, and the result looks more natural. This is also something Nvidia has told them is the future, so I fully expect it will become more and more common. This also mean that a few years old cards will get more and more problems rendering these games at acceptable frame rates. Combine this with the big push to 4K and it's not a pretty picture for cards that are not as fast at Ray Tracing. So I hope that the next gen Radeon GPU's are a lot better at Ray Tracing, and the same goes for Battlemage and whatever the ARM GPU's are going to be called provided they truly make them.
Amd market plan- AMD: Last years performance, this year at a discount. 7900xtx equivalent to 3090ti when it released, retail $1,099. Im fine with its performance.
Notice all those 8GB SKU's. 6:42 Even 12GB is way to little for a 2025 card. And zero 16GB 8600 class cards. I hope the whole generation fails to sell for them. They should have made 32GB cards. And they go backwards instead.
@@famousfighter2310 You know memory is crazy cheap right? And that they are f making generations after generations of cards with planned obsolescence by limiting the VRAM. No, I am not OK with that, just like I stated.
WHO... the hell... tries to sell an 8GB card in 2025?! Jesus Christ AMD... put 12GB on the small one, or it will be completely pointless. (I'd say 16, but with a 128-bit bus I guess it just doesn't have the bandwidth.)
Pricing depends on the global economic situation in 6 months time. We could find ourselves in a supply and demand situation no supply , no demand due to regional strife or huge demand for specific products skewing price to performance numbers.
I need 48 full die for 400-500usd. GPU prices in my country didnt even go below msrp. so having 7900xt raster for at max 500usd are super good with they are currently going for 900usd in my country.
N44 needs doubled chips and be 16GB of VRAM. You also need to understand that the VRAM capacity is limited by the bus width of the GPU and capacity per chip. GDDR6 chips max out at 2GB per chip and each chip needs 32 bits of the bus to run at full bandwidth, meaning a 128 bit card can only have 4 chips or doubled/stacked 4 chips(effectively 8 chips), so with 2GB per chip at 128 bit bus you get 8GB of VRAM and if you double/stack the chips then you get 16GB.
@@badass6300 It is true, but you are saying it like making 12-16 card in midrange is impossible. 8GB is only acceptable in cards that are ~200$ at most if even that, nvidia is selling 8GB in 400$ cards. That is whole problem, give 8GB in 130$ card and everyone will applause you, give same 8GB in 400$ and you are laughing stock.
From all the leaks I just expect a card that is a little bit faster than the 7900 GRE and can do much better ray Traycing for the price between a 7800 XT and a 7900 GRE. If I could get this for around 550 EUR, this would be my choice. Would be awesome if it was really $500 which means in reality you can get some offers under 500 EUR. Black Friday and Cyper Week are coming and some leaks suggest that the cards might come end of October. This would be a very positive surprise getting a 8800 XT for like 450 EUR or so on Black Friday.
@@lukashuening you can actually not expect everything to run on max, you know. Honestly have you seen what percentage of people play 4k? It's about as many people as play maxed Ray Tracing settings like Full Path Tracing. It's like 3% of gamers.
If it performs like that expect a 650€ price tag lol I’ve given up about Radeon being disruptive long ago. They keep pricing as high as they can get away with instead of trying to win the audience like Ryzen did even with Zen2
Right now you need 10-12GB VRAM for the 7-8 most demanding games on the market, so 16GB will be plenty, but AMD and Nvidia are limited by GDDR6 capacity.
@@badass6300 They’re not limited by GDDR6 capacity. They are limiting themselves with memory bus width, so there’s not as much room for memory modules. Even that however can be overcome with clamshell ram. Look at the 7600 “XT.” They can give us vram if they really want to.
Intel are bang in the s++t and that is an understatement (If you know, you know). This is a big opportunity for AMD to get ahead. Crazy times. Rumours there will be a merger with Intel and IBM although i don't think this will help Intel either.
if Amd is increasing RT performance then it means more gpu die area on RT cores , raster performance might not go up that much , 15% at most . rdna4 might be less perfomance than 7900xt but higher RT performance as rtx4070 ti , thats it boys . also nvidia will counter it with rtx5000 series , rrtx5070 will beat it at $600 price . amd cant win rtx5060ti will be as fast as rtx4070 ti for $400 so amd again cant compete in mid range
sounds like different leaks that they are trying to mix into a single leak.... likely the 32MB IC for the RX8600 or possibly RX8500 and the higher levels for the 8700, 8800, etc.
so what you are saying is you have no idea about anything other than gpu companies will eventually release new gpu's. pricing? who knows. what's in them? who knows. release date? who knows. accuracy on anything? who knows. what was the point of your really long video then????????????
1. If AMD is going to release 500 EUR GPU that's capable RT of 4080, it would be a very large consumer win. 2. If AMD is going to release 6950XT the third time with the same RT perf. as 3.5 RT, it will be a flop. 3. If AMD is going to release 7800XT, but with better RT, like Nvidia 4070, for 500 EUR, then I think they are gambling on the stupidity of the consumers. --- I won't embrace RT until RT will be able to run on "mid range GPUs" without major FPS drops. I know I'm a specaial case, bacsue I game only simracing titles, like iRacing, ACC, AMS2,... But on the triple screens. I really hope we'll see something better.
I have a 6800XT, a 7800XT, and a 4080 Super sitting here... I DON'T Think I'll be in the Need of a New GPU for a Minute... They'd have to REALLY Up the Tech Inside these Chips to get these Cards Replaced.... The 7800XT was a Fair Tech Upgrade for the 6800XT even if the Rest didn't much Change, it was the Hardware I was Buying more than anything... The 4080 Super though was a Different Matter as I've always had a Card of Each to Compare Notes and just in case something Failed, I had a Back Up... With all the Talk that the Next Gen GPU's are more Tech Upgrade than Performance, except for the Possibility that AMD may Catch Up to being Closer to nVidia in their Ray Tracing Capabilities, I'd Buy one just to See for Myself... But I'll wait for you guys First to go thru and Dissect them...
If the 8700 XT, which will likely be the flagship RDNA 4 GPU based on the full Navi 48 chip, can be in between the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in raster performance and roughly be on par with the 4080 SUPER in RT performance for $500-$550, that would be an excellent price to performance midrange GPU. If AMD can pull that off, they should definitely gain quite a bit of market share in the gaming GPU market. RDNA 4 and Battlemage are looking highly competitive in the low-end and midrange segments. With enough competition, it could convince Nvidia to pack significantly more processing power into their next gen low-end and midrange GPUs.
@@AndyViant RDNA 4 will top out at the midrange, so I think the RX 8800 XT is unlikely to happen. The RX 8700 XT is a lot more likely to be the RDNA 4 flagship.
A small error: At around 7 minutes you said the full N48 die would be the 8600, but N48 is the big die, so full N44 (or specifically N44XTX) would be the 8600 and the N44XT or the mentioned N44XL the 8500.
@@Shahzad12357 honestly a locked 30 fps will feel wayy better than a 480 fps with that mode. Frame interpolation is not as good as people would like it to be.
Unfortunately I won't be waiting for the new cards. I already have a monster 7900xtx build planned for the next big online sale so I'm gonna be set for a while. Maybe if something crazy comes out a year or so from now I'll sell it and upgrade.
@@BeyondEllisBeck he does have a good point but he forgot to add in the low infinity cache in the lower range and the limited vram 12gb cards are even obsolete now... if amd brings up anything under than 16 gb i ain't buying it
6800 XT 16GB , 7800 XT 16GB 8800XT 16GB, find the Failure. If AMD was smart, they would give the 8800XT 18-20GB VRAM and sell it around 500$. 8700XT should have 16GB AND 8600XT 12GB.
The extra ram isn't really giving significant performance gains on the 7900XT, and the ram is an expensive part. 16gb is fine, and it makes memory controller situation easier.
That's not how it works. They cant just give it 18-20 GB of VRAM without also cutting the bus width significantly, hurting bandwidth. 256-bit bus means either 16 GB or 32 GB of VRAM, and 32 GB is too expensive to put on a GPU. That would not be an appropriate amount of VRAM for a card of this performance level anyway. 18 GB of VRAM would mean the GPU would need to have a 144-bit bus, and 20 GB of VRAM would mean a 160-bit bus. Do you really want a card with so much VRAM that is yet completely bandwidth-starved to where it can't effectively use that VRAM in the first place, and has reduced performance because of that miniscule bandwidth?
@@lukashuening Navi 48 specification maxes out at 256-bit bus, so a 320-bit bus is not possible. For further context, the reason RDNA4/Radeon 8000 is only maxing out this gen with midrange cards and not high-end/enthusiast is because AMD's R&D departments for graphics were not able to get the MCM design of top-end RDNA4 working in time, so they decided to invest more of their R&D efforts into ensuring RDNA5/Radeon 9000 series is able to release functional on time for competing in the high-end. That's why AMD is not competing on the high-end in this generation. Moore's Law Is Dead and RedGamingTech have discussed this in previous videos before.
@@riven4121 yes. But they could easily partner with someone else to generate a solution not called DDR6X but say DDR6 UltraMegaCool or whatever. Sound fanciful? Samsung has had GDDR6W since 2022. AMD has partnered with people like Samsung before on other high bandwidth memory solutions, they use it for Server Grade stuff. Top tier Blackwell stuff will be using HBM3E. If that gets down to 5090 like the Server grade GPU's or just DDR7, which is far more likely. 28 GBps DDR7 is confirmed for 5080 and probably 5070, so that's a lot of extra performance AMD is leaving on the table compared to it's competitor, Sure, you can argue that 20GBps DDR6 is already a high bandwidth memory, at least in that it's faster than the 14-16GBps JEDEC standard DDR6, but it isn't capable of matching DDR6X performance, let alone DDR7. This is why right now AMD isn't even trying to compete with Nvidia. Without DDR7 memory they're not even going to be remotely in the game.
Memory advancement has really slowed down, and it's not up to AMD and Nvidia. 256 memory bus because memory controllers don't scale well with new process nodes, so their power consumption and die space remains high. Nowadays the memory controllers take roughly the same space they did 6 years ago, but 1 CU or SM take about 25% of the space and power, while having higher IPC.
Where does this copium come from that rdna 44 will be at 7900XT perf level or even better? There is no way. AMD has targeted mid range as Nvidia is owning in high-end.
It's going to need to overclock like crazy if it doesn't want to fail to the cheaper (by then) 20 GB 7900XT's, because if VRAM requirements keep getting higher, the 7900XT might be a better purchase, plus I assume we would be getting GDDR7 by the 9xxx models, so it's not really worthy to get the most recent GPU, plus this has happened in the past with people prefering the 6800 to the 7700XT. Yeah RT may be better but people who buy AMD aren't historically driven by RT performance.
Yep. Especially since, this is at best a 3090 Ti in RT - that still doesn't actually make it playable - you need 4080 Super and above to actually get acceptable performance in RT; at a fidelity that's in any way better than pre-baked lights, that is.
I could easily buy the highest end model every generation and it would be pocket money for me. Yet I'm never interested in the likes of rtx 4090 or 4080 and always buy entry to mid level cards and they get my attention.
Who wanna bet AMD will price them as high as humanely possible, some if not all cards too high and then drop prices within 2 months from launch?
within 20 months
@@attepatte8485 so you are an optimist.
The marketing department literally can't wait to sandbag those new GPU
Of course they are going to WAY overprice them. And you can forget that they are going to drop to the fair price in 2 months. In a year.....maybe. Two years probably.
Just look at the total fail zen 5 is,
It is going to be the same.
Even if it is decent it WILL be over priced. They don't care at all of the consumer market. They earn more making server parts from the same allocated silicone. Just like Ngreedia.
@@cajampa by way overprice them, I mean they will set price so high that buying it will be still choice between a little more VRAM and couple more $$ in your wallet against better RT and DLSS in coresponding NVidia 40 series.
If 8800 XT can perform like a 4070 Ti Super, and only cost $500, that will push the worth of many cards down. Sounds good to me!
Being later gen release it definitely should. Considering 4070 Ti is only little over $700 now.
Edit: Oh, you said 4070 Ti Super. Yeah, then it might be more tough comparison.
All those years and people still get insane amounts of copium
This is the same AMD that released a series of processors just this month with same performance as last gen, but higher price.
There is no hope.
It'll perform like that and be $599.
Then Nvidia will drop the $799 4070ti Super to $699, and it'll still outsell AMD
Peoblem is next year 5nm wil get price increased by TSMC. i heard that next year 5nm will start at $20, 000? that was the price of 3nm roughly 2 years ago.
I really, really hope to not see a 8600 with 8gb of ram
I can deal with it on an 8600. An 8600XT should at least have 12gb, and 16gb is a waste tbh.
@@systemBuilder i wont, i'm just not buying it 😏 I am quite good at just not purchase whatever
Did you miss that not a single 8600 SKU have more than 8GB? They are f going backwards in VRAM size.
@@cajampa i saw it but it is still a leak, so there's time i guess for some hopium
8600 will have 8 gb unfortunately but they might get 16 gb variant too also XT will this time only gonna be having 12 or 16 gb variant
If they don't have 16gb vram, they aren't worth buying in 2024/2025
I find it extremely hard to believe that RDNA4 will be able to match the 7900 XT much less the XTX. It only has 2.5% more memory bandwidth than the 7800 XT with the same infinity cache size! It doesn't matter how much higher the core clocks are if there isn't enough memory bandwidth to feed those cores.
Launching an 8GB gpu at the end of 2024 or beginning of 2025 should be sub 150$. Otherwise it should be DOA. There are already a ton of games that require more than 8GB at settings other than low. And we are starting to see games that go over 8GB on low. So AMD better rethinks launching anything with 8GB unless it is really cheap.
8gb 300$ seems fair, 4060 fine card and 7600xt 16gbs was overkill that is barely used.
I respectfully disagree. You have hundreds of millions of gamers still on 1080p and who do not like most recent AAA games. the 60 series card does not need more than 8GB.
For 1080p 8gb is fine
totally agree, some games use more than 8gb at 1080p nowadays, 12gb should be minimum
@@rnf123 50 series gpus are made for them, not 60 series
I would expect 32MB per 128-bits of active memory bus. 64MB for 256-bit, 48MB for 192-bit, 32MB for 128-bit in N44.
(If they one day in the future do a 96-bit or 64-bit budget N44 SKU ever expect to see a 24MB or 16MB cache. However I guess N44 could be different and be 48MB for 128-bit (36MB for 96-bit, 24MB for 64-bit))
All this speculation seems kind of pointless, if it is known to be 64CU, just take a 7800xt make it 20-30% faster and you have the performance. Without massive clock increases we are looking at about 4070ti to best case 4070ti super performance.
Anything above $500 and this card will be a failure.
You can always bet on AMD product managers to slap delusional pricetags on their stuff.
@@Six_Gorillionor is it delusional gamer?
@@arenzricodexd4409 The issue is using amd rdna performance gain when keeping CU count the same, reaching 4070ti super levels of performance caps you at $800 for 2 year old performance. AMD can’t be anywhere near that price especially when they will only be using GDDR6
@@arenzricodexd4409if there is no change in value to RDNA3, then its AMD
4070TiS performance for 500 would be huge deal. Lets hope they won't f up prices again.
I'll be shocked if 8800XT is under $549.
I'd expect:
8800 XT 16GB 20 GBps $599
8800 ESE? 16 GB 18 GBps $549 (Note: Golden Rabbit becomes Earth Snake or Golden Snake FOR 2025)
8700 XT 16 GB $499
8600 XT 12GB $349 (Maybe called 8600)
8600 8GB $289 (Maybe called 8500)
It's possible that product stack could start at $549, go $549 for 8800XT, $499 for the ESE, $449 for the 8700XT, $329 for 8600XT/8600 and $269 for 8600/8500 (names seem a bit vague at the bottom of the stack). That's a much closer match to current 7000 gen pricing but there are meaningful gains here and prices have gone up for major components so I cannot see these being cheaper, especially not while there is still so much 7000 stock left.
There's a bit of vagueness on the lower part of the stack. It could be 8700 XT 12 GB, 8600 XT 16 GB and 8600 8GB. If it is this format, the bottom two cards will both be 8600 not 8600 and 8500, and pricing might be $429/$349/$289
That's what is messing up AMD, and to a lesser degree Nvidia, how much inventory will need to suffer heavy discounting.
The 8600XT can't be 12GB if it's 128 bit bus, it can either be 4, 8 or 16.
No one is buying AMD cards anyway. They just want AMD cards to compete so that they can buy cheaper Nvidia cards. The market share shows the truth.
It is said "Do not go to Redgaming tech for news, for his sources say both yes and no" 😂
I'm not so sure on 'aggressive' pricing. New pc parts have not dropped to pre pandemic norms, even adding in high inflation rates. The overall pricing is still higher than expected and a lot of this is laid at the door of AI, but I think there's more to it than that. My feeling is that nVidia and AMD 'normalised' the market to pay more for less (My RX6800XT is still sold at $460 and I only paid $520 nearly two years ago). At this point tech seems to be outpacing the manufacturing due to costs, and it feels like we're heading back to the great ol' days of Intel drip feeding upgrades for over a decade. There still seems to be very little competition in GPUs as nVidia move away from gamers and into AI, leaving a space for AMD to grow, but what's the incentive to be 'aggressive'? I think this is marketing setting expectations to dupe people into thinking we getting a good deal.
if the 7800xt didn’t cause mass adoption of AMD at
because if it gives anywhere close to 4080 raster performance that is pretty juicy xd but im seeing the rumors changing to saying 4070ti which is sad
7800xt caused mass adoption. It sold out for several weeks and prices went up way above 500 for months. Getting a 4070TiS competitor with the 8800XT for 500 would be huge.
@@nipa5961 just because it sold out doesn’t mean there were many of them
@@nipa5961 What's your source for this "mass adoption" ? If true, great, if it means AMD can get some money in the bank to do more dev, but the card was a lukewarm reception in reviews, and generally PANNED by us, the consumers - so I'm having a hard time believing that it sold well.
And don't call me an nVidia fanboy, because I'm posting from my RX 6800 as we speak; on the used market, the 6800 was easily the best value for a good long time, hence why I bought it used, around 1.5 years ago.
This card needs to perform at least 30% better than the 7800XT, for a slightly lower price, and so far, I'm not seeing it reach that level of performance, aka a 7900XT. It will fall at least 5%, maybe more, short of that requirement. (hell, the worst estimates only puts it at around 10% faster than the 7800XT, so barely better at all)
@@thePrisioner6 Rising prices due to high demand speak for themselves.
It's a stopgap generation. Don't expect magic from this. I believe the whole RDNA4 stack will work like a refresh rather than a new gen.
That's fine, so was the 20 series super and the 40 series super but they both ended up being much better bang for buck.
I hope they have a little more performance using a little less power - and a lower price.
Hey, I can dream, can't I?
Yes and no, it's a stop gap yes but no it's not a refresh. It's a legit new gen with newer node and better RT from new architecture. The only reason it's a stop gap is because AMD is skipping high end kinda like Polaris and RDNA1.
I hope they drop a flagship even if it has only 10% more performance with better ray tracing then 7900 xtx ill buy it
1% of all PC Gamers own a 4090, plus an additional 1% own a 3090 or 2080ti. That's MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. Flagship, top-end performance matters.
less than 1% own a 4090. Net cafes make steam charts worthless as multiple people login on the same PC.
I am interested in a 12gb version IF its cheap! 12gb is minimum now so I expect minimum pricing of about 250USD max. If Intel's successor to the Arc A580 has 12gb of ram as rumored, and they've fixed their problems they had with the previous GPU's, AMD's card will have competition. I expect the intel card not to cost that much more than the A580. My price range is 250USD max, it will be my first upgrade in 5 years if it comes out this fall. I need a good card to match my 12400f processor and these cards should be perfect.
No 12gb card will be priced under US$250. Try and get a used ARC card or a used 7700XT or 7600XT 16GB. Intel's new generation will not be as aggressively priced as Arc was, Intel simply cannot afford it right now, so you can cross the A580 replacement off your list.
@@AndyViant I never buy used and 12gb its almost obsolete. Current Arc has problems, especially with old games, so that is a no go too. I always hear GDDR is cheap now so they should, we can't stay in obsolete land forever, 12 isn't much now.
Does AMD have loads of stock of 7900xt/gre 7800xt? If so its doomed from the start.
Why? 8800xt raster will be at a head of all these card. Plus RT 4070super.
Sadly so many card will not be dropping in price, so the 8800xt will be over priced.
Its a small card,low power, cheap and if the card is over 500 by much its dead.
They can swallow the losses if they are smart.
OK but we do need "efficiency" in 8000 series / RDNA 4 cards.
40W+ @ "video playback" UA-cam, Netflix/VLC etc. (all models inc. RX 6800 & Up) is RIDICULUS... Did u hear that AMD ? 🤔
It would be nice if these were efficient enough to result in a true 2 slot card and under 10 inches long for sff cases. One of these without a power connector that is more powerful than an rx 560 would be nice too. AMD is still better for Linux.
My 7800XT and 7900XTX System are @16W on a Dual and Triple Monitor Setup @YT and Netflix.
So Your information is outdated because things have been improved over time via drivers. The whole thing also depends heavily on the monitor combination. Nvidia and especially Intel also have high idle Power consumption with exotic monitor combinations. When completely idle, both of my cards are at 8-9W.
That has been fixed months ago.
@@elpman001 In general GPUs should be at most a dual slot(3.8 inches height), 10 inches long and 4.3 inches tall. And I really miss single slot GPUs and the fact that there aren't more GPUs like the Gigabyte SFF RTX 4060.
@@badass6300 No, it's not.
I'm talking about the efficiency @ "video playback" not idle power consumption...
even if it can perform at same level like RTX 5080 in theory I feel like they will manage to make it somewhat worse and with worse drivers, so it will end up at same level like RTX 5070 at best and 5070 that will be like 500-600 dolars card, so not really worth price saving by buying 8800 XT
Everyone is giving AMD waaay to much credit here. We'll be lucky if it outperforms the 7800xt.
@@PhilHooligan it’s overhyped as always before new generation of graphics cards release, maybe not as much like rdna 3 was but still
The 5700XT was a gross price increase over it's predecessor, Polaris. And before someone chimes in - no - it wasn't proceeded by Vega, it was Polaris because Vega is HBM. Had there been a 5900XT, maybe you could get away with calling that a Vega replacement since there was no high end Polaris (because if there had been, it would have been as good or better than Vega) nor was there a low end Vega.
At this point NVIDIA doesn't give a S*#* what AMD is doing.
Everything over 500 will kill the card and we all know this.
Abolish *-8GB of VRAM-* 💡
I think we are going to see some new games that doesn't support the old style of rendering but instead uses Ray Tracing for just about everything they can. Just look at Sar Wars Outlaws. This game has options for raytracing to be used in everything from Ultra to Low, but there is no way to turn Ray tracing of anything off. As a result Nvidia GPU's top the performance list with something like 6 cards before the first Radeon, the RX 7900 XTX makes the list. It's then about 5 more Nvidia based GPU's befor the Radeon RX 7900 XT shows it's face.
This is according to benchmarks made by Steve at Hardware Unboxed. In total he tested more than 40 GPU's in this game and the top of the 1080p Ultra settings list looks approximately like this:
GeForce RTX 4090 171 fps
GeForce RTX 4080 Super 150 fps
GeForce RTX 4080 137 fps
GeForce RTX 4070 Ti Super 122 fps
GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 117 fps
GeForce RTX 3090 Ti 114 fps
Radeon RX 7900 XTX 113 fps
GeForce RTX 3090 111 fps
GeForce RTX 4070 Super 108 fps
GeForce RTX 4070 103 fps
GeForce RTX 3080 Ti 103 fps
Radeon RX 7900 XT 98 fps
GeForce RTX 3080 96 fps
Radeon RX 7900 GRE 82 fps
GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 16GB 80 fps
Radeon RX 7800 XT 78 fps
Radeon RX 6950 XT 74 fps
Radeon RX 6900 XT 70 fps
Radeon RX 7700XT 68 fps
Radeon RX 6800XT 67 fps
GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8GB 61 fps
Again all info comes from the video called "Star Wars Outlaws GPU Benchmark (43 GPUs) 522 Data Points!" oposted on YT by Hardware Unboxed. Watch it, Steve did some impressive work benchmarking this, so watch it and see for your self what he discovered.
This is a daunting list, but remember that this is at a resolution of 1080 using upscaling and so on. Higher resolutions isn't going to give you better frame rates.
What can be seen is that the Nvidia implementation of Ray Tracing is having better performance. You can also see that 8 GB of VRAM is not enough. The difference between the 3060 Ti 16 GB and 8 GB is 20 fps with the 8 GB version at 61 fps and the 16 GB version at 80fps. Abandoning the old version or rendering makes it easier for the developers as they only have to assign light sources and the engine will do the rest handling both the light and the shadows. This saves them work, and the result looks more natural. This is also something Nvidia has told them is the future, so I fully expect it will become more and more common. This also mean that a few years old cards will get more and more problems rendering these games at acceptable frame rates. Combine this with the big push to 4K and it's not a pretty picture for cards that are not as fast at Ray Tracing.
So I hope that the next gen Radeon GPU's are a lot better at Ray Tracing, and the same goes for Battlemage and whatever the ARM GPU's are going to be called provided they truly make them.
Amd market plan- AMD: Last years performance, this year at a discount.
7900xtx equivalent to 3090ti when it released, retail $1,099. Im fine with its performance.
The rx 400/500 series did that and so did the RX 5000 series and they were successful.
I just want a decent bump in performance in the 200-250$ price range
8600XT 16GB. same performance as 7600XT.
@@arenzricodexd4409 That would cost 300$
@@arenzricodexd4409 I will be shocked if that card is a penny less than $299.
200-250$ isnt where manufacturers make profit. So probably not too interesting for them to push
@@JanM2 I know, but I can wait, my 6600 XT is doing fine for my needs
Notice all those 8GB SKU's. 6:42
Even 12GB is way to little for a 2025 card. And zero 16GB 8600 class cards. I hope the whole generation fails to sell for them.
They should have made 32GB cards. And they go backwards instead.
32gb??? Are you okay?
@@famousfighter2310 You know memory is crazy cheap right?
And that they are f making generations after generations of cards with planned obsolescence by limiting the VRAM.
No, I am not OK with that, just like I stated.
@@cajampa alr cant argue with that
WHO... the hell... tries to sell an 8GB card in 2025?! Jesus Christ AMD... put 12GB on the small one, or it will be completely pointless. (I'd say 16, but with a 128-bit bus I guess it just doesn't have the bandwidth.)
Don't worry, 5060Ti 8GB for $400 incoming.
Thumbs up for tactical "that's what she said"
Pricing depends on the global economic situation in 6 months time. We could find ourselves in a supply and demand situation no supply , no demand due to regional strife or huge demand for specific products skewing price to performance numbers.
I have a 7900xtx really wanted a high-end card with better RT... so ill be jumping to the 5090.
I need 48 full die for 400-500usd. GPU prices in my country didnt even go below msrp. so having 7900xt raster for at max 500usd are super good with they are currently going for 900usd in my country.
Knowing amd.... they're dropping the soap
The memory bandwidth shows exactly what it is. A 6800 XT w/ ray tracing. You are in the rx 470, 480, 580, 590 phase again.
AMD has brass balls if they're launching an 8gb vram card almost at the end of 2024 ☠️
Same you will see from Nvidia and Intel...
@@TheTaurus104 Sadly.
NVIDIA will try to overthrow it with 6GB.
N44 needs doubled chips and be 16GB of VRAM.
You also need to understand that the VRAM capacity is limited by the bus width of the GPU and capacity per chip. GDDR6 chips max out at 2GB per chip and each chip needs 32 bits of the bus to run at full bandwidth, meaning a 128 bit card can only have 4 chips or doubled/stacked 4 chips(effectively 8 chips), so with 2GB per chip at 128 bit bus you get 8GB of VRAM and if you double/stack the chips then you get 16GB.
@@badass6300 It is true, but you are saying it like making 12-16 card in midrange is impossible. 8GB is only acceptable in cards that are ~200$ at most if even that, nvidia is selling 8GB in 400$ cards. That is whole problem, give 8GB in 130$ card and everyone will applause you, give same 8GB in 400$ and you are laughing stock.
Knowing AMD it's doomed.
From all the leaks I just expect a card that is a little bit faster than the 7900 GRE and can do much better ray Traycing
for the price between a 7800 XT and a 7900 GRE.
If I could get this for around 550 EUR, this would be my choice.
Would be awesome if it was really $500 which means in reality you can get some offers under 500 EUR.
Black Friday and Cyper Week are coming and some leaks suggest that the cards might come end of October.
This would be a very positive surprise getting a 8800 XT for like 450 EUR or so on Black Friday.
if 8800 xt is like a 7900xt with 2x the ray tracing capabilities and its $500 then im in!!!
Optimistic rumors suggest 4070ti Super RT performance.
@@emilpapis93 just raster, RT at 4070s perf. Thats the best AMD can achieve
@@francistein8409 Enjoy 16GB in 2025 then, won't be long before 16GB will be fully utilized in 1440p and forget 4k.
@@lukashuening you can actually not expect everything to run on max, you know.
Honestly have you seen what percentage of people play 4k? It's about as many people as play maxed Ray Tracing settings like Full Path Tracing. It's like 3% of gamers.
If it performs like that expect a 650€ price tag lol
I’ve given up about Radeon being disruptive long ago.
They keep pricing as high as they can get away with instead of trying to win the audience like Ryzen did even with Zen2
From what I understand, RDNA4 will be mostly about achieving parity with nVidia when it comes to RT.
No vram increase on any card? So RDNA 4 cards will be vram limited in a year or two, absolutely no headroom.
16 gb will be fine for at least the next 3 years, based on console generations.
12gb will start to be lower settings. 8gb is going to hurt.
Right now you need 10-12GB VRAM for the 7-8 most demanding games on the market, so 16GB will be plenty, but AMD and Nvidia are limited by GDDR6 capacity.
@@badass6300 They’re not limited by GDDR6 capacity. They are limiting themselves with memory bus width, so there’s not as much room for memory modules. Even that however can be overcome with clamshell ram. Look at the 7600 “XT.” They can give us vram if they really want to.
FINALLY, No crop top. Time to actually ingest the tech news.
Intel are bang in the s++t and that is an understatement (If you know, you know). This is a big opportunity for AMD to get ahead. Crazy times. Rumours there will be a merger with Intel and IBM although i don't think this will help Intel either.
if Amd is increasing RT performance then it means more gpu die area on RT cores , raster performance might not go up that much , 15% at most .
rdna4 might be less perfomance than 7900xt but higher RT performance as rtx4070 ti , thats it boys .
also nvidia will counter it with rtx5000 series , rrtx5070 will beat it at $600 price . amd cant win
rtx5060ti will be as fast as rtx4070 ti for $400 so amd again cant compete in mid range
sounds like different leaks that they are trying to mix into a single leak.... likely the 32MB IC for the RX8600 or possibly RX8500 and the higher levels for the 8700, 8800, etc.
My phone can do 1080p 60, youtube video probably uses like 2-3watts
Amd idle or video power use is bad. I hope they fixed it
so what you are saying is you have no idea about anything other than gpu companies will eventually release new gpu's. pricing? who knows. what's in them? who knows. release date? who knows. accuracy on anything? who knows. what was the point of your really long video then????????????
IF AMD EVER INTENDED OR INTEND TO PRICE AGGRESSIVELY THEY WOULD RELEASE BRFORE NVIDIA. SIMPLE.
they don't and they won't. They're waiting to do Nvidia -15%
They are releasing before nVidia, regardless of whether they release this year or at CES
1. If AMD is going to release 500 EUR GPU that's capable RT of 4080, it would be a very large consumer win.
2. If AMD is going to release 6950XT the third time with the same RT perf. as 3.5 RT, it will be a flop.
3. If AMD is going to release 7800XT, but with better RT, like Nvidia 4070, for 500 EUR, then I think they are gambling on the stupidity of the consumers.
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I won't embrace RT until RT will be able to run on "mid range GPUs" without major FPS drops. I know I'm a specaial case, bacsue I game only simracing titles, like iRacing, ACC, AMS2,... But on the triple screens. I really hope we'll see something better.
I have a 6800XT, a 7800XT, and a 4080 Super sitting here... I DON'T Think I'll be in the Need of a New GPU for a Minute... They'd have to REALLY Up the Tech Inside these Chips to get these Cards Replaced....
The 7800XT was a Fair Tech Upgrade for the 6800XT even if the Rest didn't much Change, it was the Hardware I was Buying more than anything... The 4080 Super though was a Different Matter as I've always had a Card of Each to Compare Notes and just in case something Failed, I had a Back Up... With all the Talk that the Next Gen GPU's are more Tech Upgrade than Performance, except for the Possibility that AMD may Catch Up to being Closer to nVidia in their Ray Tracing Capabilities, I'd Buy one just to See for Myself... But I'll wait for you guys First to go thru and Dissect them...
RX 8600 still only 8gb???? DOA☠️☠️☠️
It is just pathetic, bought a 5700XT 8GB in 2019 for 389€
@@lukashuening AMDs last value generation. RDNA 4’s got nothing on rdna 1, let alone polaris
I will finally upgrade my gpu most likely with RDNA 4
I'm actually still running a 5700xt...and am planning on getting one of the 8000 series...depending on reviews from HU and GN.
If the 8700 XT, which will likely be the flagship RDNA 4 GPU based on the full Navi 48 chip, can be in between the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX in raster performance and roughly be on par with the 4080 SUPER in RT performance for $500-$550, that would be an excellent price to performance midrange GPU. If AMD can pull that off, they should definitely gain quite a bit of market share in the gaming GPU market. RDNA 4 and Battlemage are looking highly competitive in the low-end and midrange segments. With enough competition, it could convince Nvidia to pack significantly more processing power into their next gen low-end and midrange GPUs.
lets wait and see how this compare to Nvidia Blackwell cards at same or similar price, something like 5070, 5070ti or 5060 and 5060ti
it won't. The 8800XT will be the one to do that. The 8700XT will be more like between 7900 GRE to 7900XT spec.
@@AndyViant RDNA 4 will top out at the midrange, so I think the RX 8800 XT is unlikely to happen. The RX 8700 XT is a lot more likely to be the RDNA 4 flagship.
A small error: At around 7 minutes you said the full N48 die would be the 8600, but N48 is the big die, so full N44 (or specifically N44XTX) would be the 8600 and the N44XT or the mentioned N44XL the 8500.
Shut up
Its sad we are waiting for a new generation so we see a drop in price of other gpus
I sold one kidney and a half to buy a RTX 4090 and I'm out the GPU business for 5 years. Thank's
With Lossless scaling Im hoping to hold on to my 7900xtx for about another 4 years lol
Lossless scaling migh get more updates for like 8X performance so you can probably keep it for even like 8 years or so
@@Shahzad12357 Lol Free FPS downloads.....ay it works it works
@@Shahzad12357 8x the latency
@@Shahzad12357 honestly a locked 30 fps will feel wayy better than a 480 fps with that mode. Frame interpolation is not as good as people would like it to be.
The 7900XTX is a glorified 3080. Same teraflops, worse RT, no Nvidia features.
£300 RX 8700XT looks like it'd be a decent card for that sort of price.
Watch them name it the RX 9xxx series.
Unfortunately I won't be waiting for the new cards. I already have a monster 7900xtx build planned for the next big online sale so I'm gonna be set for a while. Maybe if something crazy comes out a year or so from now I'll sell it and upgrade.
For me personally, these new mid-range cards aren't a buy if AMD can't improve ray tracing performance significantly.
Wait for rdna5
don t worry radeon will disapoint again
I hope you and MLID are right, high end sku at 4080 performance raster. If $600 or cheaper will be a great card.
RDNA 3.5 and RDNA 4 are similar, but I don't really see how RDNA 4 is much better if i was honest. Anyone know what differentiates the two?
Better RT (& monolithic, so less power draw & higher boost frequencies)
@@Marees-cj6pc Significantly better ML as well.
@@Marees-cj6pc better RT with 8 and 12 gb vram???
@fletcher9328 is that actually factual, or is that theoretical based off a new architectural standpoint?
@@BeyondEllisBeck he does have a good point but he forgot to add in the low infinity cache in the lower range and the limited vram 12gb cards are even obsolete now... if amd brings up anything under than 16 gb i ain't buying it
6800 XT 16GB , 7800 XT 16GB 8800XT 16GB, find the Failure.
If AMD was smart, they would give the 8800XT 18-20GB VRAM and sell it around 500$.
8700XT should have 16GB AND 8600XT 12GB.
The extra ram isn't really giving significant performance gains on the 7900XT, and the ram is an expensive part. 16gb is fine, and it makes memory controller situation easier.
That's not how it works. They cant just give it 18-20 GB of VRAM without also cutting the bus width significantly, hurting bandwidth. 256-bit bus means either 16 GB or 32 GB of VRAM, and 32 GB is too expensive to put on a GPU. That would not be an appropriate amount of VRAM for a card of this performance level anyway.
18 GB of VRAM would mean the GPU would need to have a 144-bit bus, and 20 GB of VRAM would mean a 160-bit bus. Do you really want a card with so much VRAM that is yet completely bandwidth-starved to where it can't effectively use that VRAM in the first place, and has reduced performance because of that miniscule bandwidth?
16gb is still fine it's not a flagship card anything under 10gb for a midrange is a big no though
@@ThePlantoparadise what about a 320bit interface?
@@lukashuening Navi 48 specification maxes out at 256-bit bus, so a 320-bit bus is not possible.
For further context, the reason RDNA4/Radeon 8000 is only maxing out this gen with midrange cards and not high-end/enthusiast is because AMD's R&D departments for graphics were not able to get the MCM design of top-end RDNA4 working in time, so they decided to invest more of their R&D efforts into ensuring RDNA5/Radeon 9000 series is able to release functional on time for competing in the high-end. That's why AMD is not competing on the high-end in this generation. Moore's Law Is Dead and RedGamingTech have discussed this in previous videos before.
AMD Radeon...
Higher model number = -better performance- higher prices
Not interested in any gpus without 16gb vram. Skip skip skip
No GDDR7? Raedon falls behind again.
No DDR6X even
@@AndyViant GDDR6X is Nvidia exclusive. Nvidia developed it alongside Micron.
@@riven4121 yes. But they could easily partner with someone else to generate a solution not called DDR6X but say DDR6 UltraMegaCool or whatever.
Sound fanciful? Samsung has had GDDR6W since 2022. AMD has partnered with people like Samsung before on other high bandwidth memory solutions, they use it for Server Grade stuff.
Top tier Blackwell stuff will be using HBM3E. If that gets down to 5090 like the Server grade GPU's or just DDR7, which is far more likely. 28 GBps DDR7 is confirmed for 5080 and probably 5070, so that's a lot of extra performance AMD is leaving on the table compared to it's competitor,
Sure, you can argue that 20GBps DDR6 is already a high bandwidth memory, at least in that it's faster than the 14-16GBps JEDEC standard DDR6, but it isn't capable of matching DDR6X performance, let alone DDR7.
This is why right now AMD isn't even trying to compete with Nvidia. Without DDR7 memory they're not even going to be remotely in the game.
we all expect 399 for the maimum price as 5700xt before. 5700xt still able to get 60fps on well optimized game like AC6 and GBF relink.
It won't happen. Costs have gone up a lot since then. Inflation.
GDDR6 is like a decade old now, why hasnt GDDR7 been developed yet??? and only 256bit memory busses wtf?
Memory advancement has really slowed down, and it's not up to AMD and Nvidia.
256 memory bus because memory controllers don't scale well with new process nodes, so their power consumption and die space remains high.
Nowadays the memory controllers take roughly the same space they did 6 years ago, but 1 CU or SM take about 25% of the space and power, while having higher IPC.
Damn, I'm waiting for the new cards, my 6950xt is already having issues...
"[...] like the 5090 to launch first and then of course the mid range to follow in the rear--and that's what she said."😂
I WANT THE FULLY ENABLED N48 DIE WITH THE 16GB VRAM IN A ZEN5 ASUS ZEPHYRUS G16 SO BAD 🥵🥵🥵🥵
all i care about is low end cards like the rx 8500.
The "mid range" are really the entry level and why they are so popular.
Wait, WAIT…Rnda4 is still only gonna be using gddr6 and not even 6x when NVIDIA is using gddr7 in the 50 series? Hahahahahahahhaha
Where does this copium come from that rdna 44 will be at 7900XT perf level or even better? There is no way. AMD has targeted mid range as Nvidia is owning in high-end.
"How many ethereum coins can it mine?" a tired man asked himself cynically.
High prices on BOM isndue to USD inflation bro. Copper tonne was 5k usd in 2019. Now its ovrr 10K usd
I am having a hard time believing that many SKUs. And 8GB models for N44 on desktop will not be received well by reviewers 😀
Perfect video. I m waiting for mobile series I hope they will be cheap too not like the other mobiles
Id guess 549 for 8800xt. I don't really know if this would let them gain market share or not.
It's going to need to overclock like crazy if it doesn't want to fail to the cheaper (by then) 20 GB 7900XT's, because if VRAM requirements keep getting higher, the 7900XT might be a better purchase, plus I assume we would be getting GDDR7 by the 9xxx models, so it's not really worthy to get the most recent GPU, plus this has happened in the past with people prefering the 6800 to the 7700XT.
Yeah RT may be better but people who buy AMD aren't historically driven by RT performance.
Yep. Especially since, this is at best a 3090 Ti in RT - that still doesn't actually make it playable - you need 4080 Super and above to actually get acceptable performance in RT; at a fidelity that's in any way better than pre-baked lights, that is.
RT is getting embedded in more titles, especially as UE5 gets used more. RT Performance *IS* going to matter.
I want 4080 to 4090 performance levels tho hell i want 5080 5090 levels now
with the blackwell chips delayed we will see. Maybe a 8800xt competitive next year
@broose5240 blackwell AI delays have nothing to do with the Gaming cards, theyre about the datacenter racks. And Nvidia says Blackwell isn't delayed.
I could easily buy the highest end model every generation and it would be pocket money for me. Yet I'm never interested in the likes of rtx 4090 or 4080 and always buy entry to mid level cards and they get my attention.
And the prediction: intel G31 or Navi 48, similar to RTX5060 ? Which will be the 1, 2 and 3 spot ?
RX 8800 XTX would be closer to a RTX 4090 if AMD releases it.
Can't wait for rdna 4 to drop so I can finally buy rx 580 8gb
What are you working with now if you need to upgrade to an RX580? An Nvidia GTX 260? An Intel iGPU? A 8800GTX Ultra?
@@levygaming3133 GeForce 256
Mid range savior? No. Doomed? Also no.
It's practically guaranteed to be underwhelming but still decent.
N44 needs to have 16GB VRAM.
aaw man, was hoping for gddr7 :/ Better be priced VERY nicely then!
They have to do $400 - $500.
7900 card owners punching the air right now
Amd at mid tier will have better rt.
Huge with all the rt baked in games starting to come out.
if the 8600 has 8gb vram it's DOA. Everyone is tired of 8gb cards, do better.
i think ill just buy last gen nvidia
I'm curious if there will be an 9800xtx (GPU) that beats out Nvidia I have heard some rumors did you hear any? and did you hear about ant 9800x3d CPU.
I like the 8K 165hz if true.....cause I'm gonna buy the LG Z3 soon.
just make a ~400 eur card with 16gb+ vram and the performance of a 7900xtx that doesn't use more than 200W at full load
Do you always expect the world to magically align to your wishes?