Being a dirt track racer my whole life I can tell you simple green is not a good product to use. Natural rubber has oil in it, removing these oils actually reduces bite. You wanna achieve bite without softening, a durometer helps a good bit. Having different sets for different applications is key, tires are the single most important factor. Most of these guys don't even bother to balance their wheels, no sense on wasting money on these gimmick "conditioners" that are just two solvents mixed close to 50/50 with either dye or scent added. Usually it's just mek, mineral spirits, thinner, kerosene or diesel. It's always red or green, wintergreen is a popular scent. That haze is just the mold release, you want that off. I do mine on a lathe but you can just bolt the tires up to your rc and hold some 60 grit and uniformly remove it.
Man thats some good info brotha! I appreciate that. I took some notes from this. Thanks. From the time of this video to now, i havent used simple green anymore. I just clean the tires out the bag with Naptha and then hit it with some tire conditioner, bag them, and after a week i pull them out ready to make passes. But like you said different firmness in tires is key for different surfaces.
@@miamistreetz no worries man. There's all sorts of tricks...cutting tires on a lathe for different profiles like more camber or max contact patch. Using tire prep on the inside of the tires and using a roller to keep the tires slowly rotating for 48 hours so everything absorbed properly. Had a prep machine that slowly spun the tire over a heated tray with prep in it. Tire blankets with extra power to keep tires hot. Alot of these tricks carry over into rc cars. Most guys overlook the simplest things and instead throw money trying to get speed. Things like bearing maintenance, all my bearings get cleaned then put into a crock pot with my own secret solution. On my losi 22s I've got my rear shocks behind the axles at a vertical position with the axles and toe rods being almost perfectly horizontal and parallel to each other at ride height. Stripped everything not needed and mounted everything as low as possible right on the chassis plate. Only aftermarket parts I've bought is the aluminum hubs, spindles and a arms to stiffen everything up. 3 sets of reactions and a good battery, car runs really well considering.
Yes there is! There’s a group on facebook called “Broward County No Prep RC” and they race in Broward and in Miami. They post the dates they go out to race and test. It’s great to check them out
Interesting approach with the tire valves. To me, I would think you would be throwing the wheel way out of balance, and that would have a much more negative impact on traction. If you wanted a stiffer tire, I would think you would just pack in a tighter foam or vice versa.
You’re 100 % correct. I ditched this tire valve method months ago. I now use a regular basketball valve and use a blood pressure cuff to add air. Makes the tire lighter and you don’t have to add so much counterweight to get them balanced.
If you want to stay competitive and have the same results in all your passes, you should clean them with simple green after every pass to keep the procedure the same as before. Consistency is key.
We use non clorine brake clean I get it in non aresol gallon cans from auto zone use that then dawn on my rc tenth scale oval and on road carpet rubber tires and foams as well and the foams and rubber are so sticky they stick like glue I gotta use CA glue on the outside edge of right front on oval to stop traction roll
It’s because they weren’t prolines. They were rtr dr10 Ae tires… I bought prolines and now I’m having trouble picking the car up because it keeps getting stuck the the tile… lol 😂
Under cured natural rubber.. the 'shine' is mold release.. M.E.K. was used to break them down.. same as nail polish remover (which may be too strong) over softening may cause them to disintegrate under load.
Never thought of it this way… thanks for the info! Ive been treating them less so they can be a bit stiffer and they seem to hook more. I’ll post more videos of how the car hooks on my next RC no prep video
These are for “Neutral Air” so you don’t air them up. You just let the air already inside stay sealed and run em as is. I’m looking to do another set of wheels with an actual ball valve where you can pump air into them. I’ll make a video once i get my hands on them.
Awesome Christian good video Try kerosene save your money ... all you got to do is put on some prep and you'll be right there with everybody else... that's all everybody else did
In this video I’m doing what you call “conditioning”. I’m cleaning the tire from the residue that comes on the tire from manufacture which can make the tire slick and not work at its 100% full potential. Also I’m applying Beetlejuice which is another conditioner to soften up the rubber and make the tire softer allowing more traction and longevity to the tire. Now prep is applying a sticky substance on the tire for more grip. Yes this class is “NO PREP” but that does not mean you can’t apply prep on your tires. There’s no prep allowed on the surface it self, only on the tires. This has been discussed and argued over and over again in the past few months in lots of NPRC Facebook groups. I hope my response answers your question. Have a good day Ed! 🤙🏻
Being a dirt track racer my whole life I can tell you simple green is not a good product to use. Natural rubber has oil in it, removing these oils actually reduces bite.
You wanna achieve bite without softening, a durometer helps a good bit. Having different sets for different applications is key, tires are the single most important factor. Most of these guys don't even bother to balance their wheels, no sense on wasting money on these gimmick "conditioners" that are just two solvents mixed close to 50/50 with either dye or scent added. Usually it's just mek, mineral spirits, thinner, kerosene or diesel. It's always red or green, wintergreen is a popular scent.
That haze is just the mold release, you want that off. I do mine on a lathe but you can just bolt the tires up to your rc and hold some 60 grit and uniformly remove it.
Man thats some good info brotha! I appreciate that. I took some notes from this. Thanks. From the time of this video to now, i havent used simple green anymore. I just clean the tires out the bag with Naptha and then hit it with some tire conditioner, bag them, and after a week i pull them out ready to make passes. But like you said different firmness in tires is key for different surfaces.
@@miamistreetz no worries man. There's all sorts of tricks...cutting tires on a lathe for different profiles like more camber or max contact patch. Using tire prep on the inside of the tires and using a roller to keep the tires slowly rotating for 48 hours so everything absorbed properly. Had a prep machine that slowly spun the tire over a heated tray with prep in it. Tire blankets with extra power to keep tires hot. Alot of these tricks carry over into rc cars.
Most guys overlook the simplest things and instead throw money trying to get speed. Things like bearing maintenance, all my bearings get cleaned then put into a crock pot with my own secret solution.
On my losi 22s I've got my rear shocks behind the axles at a vertical position with the axles and toe rods being almost perfectly horizontal and parallel to each other at ride height. Stripped everything not needed and mounted everything as low as possible right on the chassis plate. Only aftermarket parts I've bought is the aluminum hubs, spindles and a arms to stiffen everything up. 3 sets of reactions and a good battery, car runs really well considering.
Amen
Dirt racer to. What is the best home made sauce for that?
Are there any no prep races in miami I wanna get myself and my kids into it. Start by watching and learning.
Yes there is! There’s a group on facebook called “Broward County No Prep RC” and they race in Broward and in Miami. They post the dates they go out to race and test. It’s great to check them out
Do you have a link to the valves. I cant find them. Thank you so much.
www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B075WM9GTT?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title
Parts stores. These are low side ac schrader valves if what I heard was right…
Interesting approach with the tire valves. To me, I would think you would be throwing the wheel way out of balance, and that would have a much more negative impact on traction. If you wanted a stiffer tire, I would think you would just pack in a tighter foam or vice versa.
You’re 100 % correct. I ditched this tire valve method months ago. I now use a regular basketball valve and use a blood pressure cuff to add air. Makes the tire lighter and you don’t have to add so much counterweight to get them balanced.
So you have a video on it
im kind of curious why do all this but ur first pass there dirty again and u still gotta setup steering trim?
If you want to stay competitive and have the same results in all your passes, you should clean them with simple green after every pass to keep the procedure the same as before. Consistency is key.
@@miamistreetz i do i use tire sauce so i use brake cleaner after every pass to clean the tires to put sauce on again just was curious
You do that with no foam?
That’s correct, no foams
I find cleaning them with brake clean first then simple green leaves them the softest and stickiest
Good info, I’ll try it out for my self thanks!
We use non clorine brake clean I get it in non aresol gallon cans from auto zone use that then dawn on my rc tenth scale oval and on road carpet rubber tires and foams as well and the foams and rubber are so sticky they stick like glue I gotta use CA glue on the outside edge of right front on oval to stop traction roll
How are you getting these to stick with just simple green. I’m just not getting them sticky like that.
Keep repeating the process i showed in the video of simple green multiple times until the white haze has gone away from the tire
It’s because they weren’t prolines. They were rtr dr10 Ae tires… I bought prolines and now I’m having trouble picking the car up because it keeps getting stuck the the tile… lol 😂
@@codyprice0295 lol there ya go! It works only with prolines from my experience. I havent tried this on any other set of tires
Ima use Dish Soap😈🤤
Under cured natural rubber.. the 'shine' is mold release.. M.E.K. was used to break them down.. same as nail polish remover (which may be too strong)
over softening may cause them to disintegrate under load.
Never thought of it this way… thanks for the info! Ive been treating them less so they can be a bit stiffer and they seem to hook more. I’ll post more videos of how the car hooks on my next RC no prep video
Rite on 🤙mahalo
How do you pump the tires up?
These are for “Neutral Air” so you don’t air them up. You just let the air already inside stay sealed and run em as is. I’m looking to do another set of wheels with an actual ball valve where you can pump air into them. I’ll make a video once i get my hands on them.
@@miamistreetz cool man tnx I might have to try the ac valve method out 👍
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Thanks for the subscribe!! 🙏
Awesome Christian good video Try kerosene save your money ... all you got to do is put on some prep and you'll be right there with everybody else... that's all everybody else did
Thanks Dave! I’m going to experiment with sauce real soon!
How does no prep when you're clearly prepping the hell out of them
In this video I’m doing what you call “conditioning”. I’m cleaning the tire from the residue that comes on the tire from manufacture which can make the tire slick and not work at its 100% full potential. Also I’m applying Beetlejuice which is another conditioner to soften up the rubber and make the tire softer allowing more traction and longevity to the tire. Now prep is applying a sticky substance on the tire for more grip. Yes this class is “NO PREP” but that does not mean you can’t apply prep on your tires. There’s no prep allowed on the surface it self, only on the tires. This has been discussed and argued over and over again in the past few months in lots of NPRC Facebook groups. I hope my response answers your question. Have a good day Ed! 🤙🏻
No prep to the track.