as someone who owns both, I disagree. MPC stock sounds are fucking PRISTINE. they sound like they are all perfectly pre-mixed for you. Maschine has just.. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of sounds and better synths that you can mess with, but atleast the samples on MPC just sounds incredible and fit in the mix just like that.
there is something that many do not seem to understand about updates...most of the time...a lot of updates means many problems to fix and vice versa, so it is a good sign for me when the updates of a product are far apart in time and represents significant improvements
@@artisans8521 it works great for me, I found Maschine like the best workflow ever. Of course...it's a matter of personal preference. All I'm saying is that frequency of updates...is not equal to...solve significant problems
Funny I sold my Maschine studio right when the Push 2 came out and I bought the Maschine mk3 last year to get back into it and I’ve done a few tracks but haven’t finished any of them in that year. Push 2 and Ableton and komplete kontrol is just the sweet spot for me. I recently started forcing myself to use maschine because it is fun but I feel you man, the song mode is just not there yet even with the updates. I hate having to think too much while I’m creating. If I get a stand alone it would be an MPC for sure
NI banned me from their forum the other day as they couldn't take constructive criticism. That alone is enough to make me want to drop the KKMK2, Maschine MK3, and Jam. Invested thousands into their ecosystem. Waited patiently for years on end for them to get it together, but wasn't going to happen. Can't even record mutes on Maschine. No PDC. No track freeze/unfreeze. No aftertouch or transport in KKMK2 when you assign it to a Maschine instance. No split/merge of patterns. Piss-poor DAW integration. No probability ala Elektron or MPC. No control voltage tools. Utterly pathetic Maschine+. Terrible rollout of updates recently in terms of sticking to release dates given to the public. Broken promises with the Jam. Kore. Bodged Massive X launch. I could go on for hours. That's without getting into durability issues (screen problems galore, had to have KKMK2 and Maschine MK3 replaced repeatedly by NI), and the worst support I've ever encountered in audio. Overpriced toys. A shadow of their former selves. No longer innovative, just resting on their laurels, and have let go of most of their worthwhile talent, but good to see their talent landed on its feet with the likes of Rhizomatic Plasmonic (chap behind Absynth) and New Sonic Arts (dude behind Kore).
Well said Hammy Havoc. I feel the same. I always thought your comments on the forum where really intelligent and honest. Damn shame banning you. Their new forum sucks.
@DJ Instrumental Jay Couldn't agree more with you mate! They're a shadow of their former selves, rested on their laurels too long. IMO, it's over for them. MPC 2000XL is a great shout. Real workhorse.
I had that same problem with Isla Instrument’s I gave my opinion on how the pads feel they are nice but the texture feels like nail buffers and I kicked off the forums also concerning NI I rather h ave a Jam + but dont know if that will happen to that 1100 I will save and buy me a MPC key 61
I use both. Komplete kontrol s61 and mpc live. The sounds coming out of NI are so much superior. They sound more organic and textured to me personally. Akai as a company and insound are wiping the floor with NI when it comes to user feedback and implementation. The new mpc keys looks astounding. I can't comprehend why NI is so rigid and reluctant to open things up and let the hardware breath a bit
akai is a behemoth compared to N.I. their foray into hardware was funded by their years as a software innovator. when the vst market become saturated, their company suffered, margins were lower when competition caught up, now they have severely downsized and went through major restructuring. ua-cam.com/video/wRLx7ns8CAs/v-deo.html simply is incorrect. they have a large range of products, but that doesn't mean they have akai resources. that asymmetry is a problem.
I've always wanted one since the micro came out back then ,but i get where you're coming from cause back in the day you've always voiced issues you've had with it and what you'd like to see in future updates ,you was the only one on youtube that gave them props and critiqued them , recently I've came very close to buying one at my local store but I've opted for a new pc instead and bought an mpk mini 25 mk3 cause my axiom was acting up on the display screen ,it worked out pretty well .
there is TONS of stuff you can do with samples in Maschine. Especially when you start getting in to the AU. Different workflow doesn't mean lack of options.
You may not rag on NI but I'll gladly do it. They were one of the most diverse companies when it came to every facet in the game but it got to a point where they decided to put all their eggs in 1 basket & neglect everything else. They had all these folks invest in hardware but let the software grow outdated and antiquated and it's not just their music production division. Their DJ software Traktor was arguably the Industry Standard at one point but then just stopped updating which allowed the competition to catch up &; eventually surpass them. Odd thing is, many a company have offered to buy it from them and take it off their hands & build it back up but turned them down. Seems as if they're content to let it wither away into obscurity. Meanwhile InMusic, who owns Akai, Denon DJ, Numark, Alesis, Rane etc are doing the complete opposite. They take the consumer's feedback into consideration, implement & update accordingly with revolutionary game changing hardware to boot.
I did notice yesterday watching playdifferently / the model 1 and 1.4 mixer vids that alot of their dj´s were using traktor again. The fact that they are not willing to sell it and bring out hardware for it means ni still have plans for it. I remember when i got my mk2 maschine i got a question form from ni where they asked how to best implement maschine into traktor. My idea was having a deck that showed the scenes or patterns with a small midi view,and the option to Quickly change a sound (keep the pattern but change the snare for example). Anyway when they get maschine integration on point in traktor so we don't need to run 2 programs,it will be awesome and continue to blur the lines between djing,production and on the fly producing wich is the future imo. All dj´s could play the same song but have their own remixed version of it. Would be so awesome.
@@Iredidv Model 1 & 1.4 are a niche mixer. It's just a handful of high profile DJs as ambassadors & tech savvy bedroom jockeys. It's a subsidiary of Allen & Heath. If NI doesn't care about their own gear then why would they hold out for another company that they have no affiliation with? At the DJ Expo a few weeks back, every manufacturer had all their latest & greatest on display with teasers of what's to come. At the NI booth they had a bunch of hardware all of which were all 4 years old & older. Folks can't even update the OS on their computers because they're afraid it won't support the outdated gear & software
Sounds like Akai for almost a decade 😂 Not trying to defend NI i think this video comes down more to preference in hardware. I still use Maschine Studio as long NI keeps updating the software theres really no issue it all comes down to the producer how he masters his hardware. I used to own Akai Mpc 2000 2000xl & 5000, i loved them all! but Akai has had its issues over the years as well BIG TIME! during 2013-2019 Akai had all sorts of bug issues. I bought Akai Mpk249 and again bug issues with no integration of software wich was odd. Akai midi Software and Expansions were a joke. Akai abandon every midi controller and because they knew there controllers were outdated and outclassed by NI.
It's about person who is making music, when i listening this YT "creators" i don't feel joy or any satisfied message except for toxic it comes out of those persons and poisons us with its displeasure. 😂 Pro Dreamers, crazy thing in t that running from Computer they are demanding the same just packed differently but if you speak with any dev they will be honest because it's never enough and conclusion is computer in different package that would cost more than it would sell and it's time we appreciate what we have and use it because itit's about Music. Life is Beautiful
Mpc is a beast you can transpose every bar effortlessly if you wanted . The beat swich is Krazy and the vintage compressor ahhhh the compressors baby 😮
I got Maschine MK2 for free and as it’s a demo model, i cannot even sell it - so I hope it will help as a sampler to get ideas from gear and straight to Logic… let’s see…
Are the pads on the MPC any softer? The pads on the Maschine feel like i'm hitting off of HARD rubber plates... it'd be nice if they were just a bit more absorptive. I almost feel like we're about to get in a fight.
I've been a long-time MPC user since the 2000xl, but as a Reason user, I got frustrated with their lack of sequencer editing updates like everyone else. I went from Reason to the MPC Reinassance (before the updated daw), Native Instruments, Studio One, etc. I didn't realize how much I needed a stand-alone unit until I got the MPC One. The MPC One is on another level for my workflow and creativity personally. You don't have to think about too much, just seamless creation. I tried using NI software/hardware integration, and it's not just for me.
ALL he said was 100% true. I championed for maschine almost from the start. I’ve actually owned about 3 different maschines through the years. But the lack of ‘easy of use’ for some of the most simplest features/unappealing updates and no mp3 support STILL, really killed it for me. I grab an MPC studio and found it did everything I wanted to do in the most simple streamline way. And I’ve never even use a MPC back in the day. So when the prices on the ‘X’ finally came down I had to jump on it. I still use kontakt and One or two of their other plugins which made me buy an S49. Otherwise I pretty much moved on from native instruments. It’s has been difficult trying to sell all this old native instrument stuff. But I’m much happier now more then ever!!!
@@CatLover-g7j Well, I’m from the SP1200 era and the X is exactly what Im use to as far as simple sequencing and straight forward sample editing. Not too mention the control layout gives you two different ways to do most functions. But to be honest, I’d start with the MPC Studio first (original version) it’s the cheapest way into MPCs ecosystem. Only issue for me was the lack of a touch screen. Which had me attracted to the X when it came out!
@@MixWorkRecordings Just bought a S61 Mk2 for $400 today. Native Instruments gear is great only when bought 2nd hand. They're overpriced in todays market. Looking to get the Akai Force or Live 2 next. I'm a FL and Studio One guy.
Seriously, as much as things change, all the tricks and ways of composing were already done with more primitive equipment, yes, with things like a Yamaha Motif ES 8 (sampler) and things like that, and I think that you don't need a lot of technology to make music so simple and basic.
I use my maschine as a vst in ableton. And it’s a beast. I can just drag and drop my patterns in ableton or drag from ableton back into machine. Maschine song mode is wacky but in ableton song view Brahh u need to unretire
@@djfreaknique1587 if they don't get it they just don't get it. It's just intuitive and easy to make something quick and then you can start arranging in your daw seconds later
I got rid of mine because I never actually finish beats start to finish with it. The workflow for laying out a beat is too rigid and complicated. God forbid you want to add a transition sound. The amount of work required is mad annoying. I went to ableton with a midi controller and now I finish all my beats and the possibilities feel endless.
I once bought the Maschine somewhere in 2011. Within 3 week I kicked it out and went back to my Standalone MPC. From there I went to the controller Ren. And the rest is history with the X.
Great review Man!! I really enjoyed your flow and kind straight talking. I am with you, I have a Mk3 but I just can't get into the workflow. The NI sounds are sooooooo good, that keeps me going. I think though, like you say, I just need to get the muscle memory. So many people love the Mk3. I want to get to a point that I can make a song live, in front of a crowd with me and a couple of others, say keys, guitar/bass and vox. Then I can share with a crowd how much fun it is making beats these days
I’m in the process of switching myself. However, it’s for only one reason that you mention it’s the updates and the fact that MPC seems to cater to our culture. I completely disagree with your Ranger comment Native Instruments has made huge strides in their most recent updates in the arranger is now pretty nice if you get in there and learn it. In some cases I feel like you are speaking from an old native instrument users point of view which is OK however many things have been updated. That said I do agree that MPC allows you to Dial things in just a bit further. In reality I don’t think either one of these platforms is better than the other it simply comes down to preference as you said at the beginning of the video. Thanks for the video great perspective.
I can understand your points. Honestly I like it still, due to the mentioned ecosystem, but if they could keep the same formfactor, with touchscreen, built in battery that lasts at least 10 hours under load, and with 1TB SSD… for their plugins and samples I’d buy it instead of Akai. That would be a true portable Maschine+. Until then, I still playing with the idea to buy an Akai MPC Live II. Best of both worlds. :)
Maschine is like having a smoker it does what it does. Akai is like a grill where it does more than one thing. You have more options when grilling. The food will be good but it’s all on what you have a taste for
Ive used both... there is almost nothing one does that the other doesn't, that's a misconception on both ends of the NI/MPC debates. Certain features are more intuitive to use with MPC than NI and vice versa. I think the windows/apple comparison someone made is really fair. At this point both platforms do just about everything you'll ever need, but take a different approach which can cause confusion/frustration depending on which way you look at it.... Everyone tells me apple is easier than windows, but there is still so many things I have no idea how to do on my apple that are second nature with my windows, even though I know i CAN do them with apple.
I'm 3 months in with the maschine and your absolutely right about the sequencer. I hate it I just want a regular song layout .. the ideas thing ain't it .. I love NI sounds though
It wasn't made to be used as you want but to use it somehow and get the most out of it , if you can, if you are about Music. This is OK to share expirience but if you not able to get good music from Maschine then.... maybe go back to Mouse because it's so far the best Music tool
Took me some time to learn song arrangements and how to tweak the samples but after I figure it out it wasn’t soo bad. Now my issue is the updates, seems like Everytime a new processors comes out or a computer operating system comes out they have to play catch up and you have to wait. I always upgrade right away so unfortunately I can’t even use the full featers of komplete 13 because of it and that sucks!
4:20 I don’t understand how sequencing on Maschine is so hard for people. From a old school (MPC1200) MPC user, using maschine feels like cheating, IMHO.
Have you tried to add vocals or others across the whole timeline by only using the hardware?? (I need to understand how to convert a vocal pattern to a clip and add it across the timeline in M Plus.
Depends what you're trying to sequence. The sequencer is incredibly limited, and this is someone who has been a user since MK1, and read every revision of the manual. Once you try the likes of Nuendo, it is difficult to ever humour the idea of sequencing in Maschine.
Ok, now I gotta put out a tutorial 😉 I’ve been using Maschine for a decade. Trust me with the newest updates, it gets even easier with the inclusion of clips. I’ve noticed nobody on UA-cam has dived deep into the sequencer 🥃
@@squalley If that's in response to me, I was in the Maschine beta providing feedback on it. I know it intimately, I just think it's incredibly limited. Without meaning to cause offence, I just feel like I've outgrown Maschine in its current iteration, and NI's reluctance for years on end to add basic functionality has pushed me away entirely. I was one of the most active users on their forum until they banned me as their current forum staff can't accept criticism.
@@squalley Please do, it is needed and clips and how to use clips needs to be explained better online if you want to do it in the hardware like I would love to
I agree that these days there is no ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL as far as music producing tools and TECH is concerned. We need to get skilled at what we use and how we use it. I started with Roland cause it was cheaper at the time then migrated to AKAI then the gear I wanted was out of my range $1000 per device at any one time. I will say that I like the Idea of being able to use the gear without a computer so stand alone device are coming along but need larger storage and faster processing which will raise the price a bit. Thanks
At the end of the day, every company has their ups and downs in a competitive market. He said it himself.. When Maschine first came out, It was putting Akai in a bad spot with all of the functionality etc etc. It took Akai years to get their tech together and then came out with stronger offerings that were up to snuff with Maschine, changing it to "which workflow you like better". Just recently they made some updates that have probably put NI on their toes again.. and now NI will work on things from their end to up the ante again. Given the recent mergers/partnerships formed with companies like Izotope and others, we could see some mind blowing stuff from NI soon.
@@TWISMatic Yes, you can convert the Native Instrument expansions to MPC Expansion using Kit maker 2.0 and you can use Kontakt with the MPC as well in Standalone.
@@WeFullTime so the answer is no… Sure you can convert some of the samples and of course you can run VSTs on your PC with MPC, but you can’t run them on your device ….
i do agree i am fightin tooth n nail with 2 difrant maschine models in last 10 years .. but not able to use in my productions ,,also their hardware buttons go bad and their lifes too short so i stopped wrkin on maschine also it has library folder location issue where all my kits hav disappeared ..
I was very big on Maschine and they were ahead of there time but Akai really listened to their consumer base and dominated. NI developers downsized and did a mass layoff and they sort of did a time delay and got stuck there. I left Maschine and I am not a fan of Akai. I went to Ableton and never went back. I love creative flexibility, to be able to create without limitations can push you to something new that no one has ever done.
@@dilliot2k I hear alot of people moan about Reasons DAW that its had no big update for over 5 years and no VST3 support, things that dont really affect Me.
Great video I would like to see a video on your workflow and process using maschine. It'd always good to see how other experience producers chose their sounds and make it work with their style.
I feel native instruments suffer them samething korg suffers from. Having too many products. Can't possibly be every where all the time. Akai do not have as many products allowing them to focus and update products
Still a great usage of workflow if you know how to take advantage , you can do so much with vsts or your own chops compared to old school Akai machines scrolling scrolling scrolling ..machine you can lay down the songs base and then make sounds / tracks into audio and transfer to DAW of ur choice otherwise people just making "like instrumentals" ..Make Your Own Sounds if you make music
I own both MPC one and Mashine MK2. The MPC one has everything you need out of the box, the Maschine requires a lot of money to be spent on plugins, it doesent do enough with just the basic software. That said the plug in synths on maschine blow the MPC ones out of the water
Nah i feel you. Sometimes its just is what it is. Fl studio is the best daw hands down. When it comes to be innovative. It really changed the game aint no pride its just facts
Yeah, he's on to something. NI used to be the hottest thing on the block. Lately they've made a lot of decisions that I just don't understand. Pioneer has been making weird decisions as well.
I bought Maschine from the very first version and when it first came out it was different and amazing. The workflow was so good I could pump out songs in minutes. I even bought the studio day one when that came out. Imo once Maschine 2.x came out NIs priorities changes with Maschine. They were more concerned with selling sound packs and adding needed features into the software. They do trickle in features but sometimes it’s too little to late. I moved to the MPC Live about 4 years ago and the difference between version 2.2 and the recent 2.11 is night and day. I don’t even touch Maschine anymore for anything other than opening old projects and I do that on the computer. My studio is gathering dust somewhere.
It all depends on how you like to create. The features and functions of NI/MPC are so similar its pulling hairs to try and say its a feature/function issue. There are some things that NI can do much more efficiently than MPC, and some things MPC does more efficiently than NI... but there are very few things either option simply can't do that the other one does. For me, it was ideas mode and the ability to hyper efficiently test out different combinations of ideas that really got me hooked with NI over MPC. Others would argue that the ideas mode just complicates things for them. It's all a matter of workflow taste that point.
@@NGC1986 Love the ideas mode but its hard to make it to a full song with vocals that goes across the whole song it seems,, convert a vocal pattern to a clip and place it across the whole song, I would love to see some really good instructions on how to do that in the M plus. I have not found anything online yet. I really need a box that makes it easier to work with vocals and how come a song mode seems like an afterthought for so many Dawless setups, its been the way of working for ages, unreal to me!!
I don’t know if anybody else views it this way. I look @ Native Instruments Like Apple. Closed ecosystem and a bit more work to get used to Akai is more like Windows. A more open OS and easier workflow. This is just my opinion. I do believe it comes down to just getting one that works with you and really learning it well.
I love Maschine but I've had too many issues with crashing. Digital lately for me has been getting in the way so much im thinking of just doing all acapella work and putting a good mix on it.
I loved ableton thats where i started to learn arrangement. But once i got into fl studio that was the game changer for me because of the sequencer and piano roll
@@k4CLive Ableton is better in those aspects for me. I've used FL Studio since 1997 and it seemed like the sequencer was always good but once I got a hold of Ableton, I never looked back!
I like native instrument products. Sure they could be modded via software edits though through revisionment. They could allow for user level editing in ways that things should be. One thing though, music landscaping is for being creative, inventive, a canvas and the paint and the brush and the artist. I study physics, sociology, criminology, and music. Please be safe and encourage safety in your audience. Concert crushes never really cause the victims to go off to a happyland in the sky, even if you want to smile and sing lyingly to yourself and to other people about such fantasy frameworks of thought. I am a musician that actually moved 4 hours away from a bone breakingly violent older sibling. He and his friends are manipulative cognitively dissonant noncritical thinkers, as they downplay the suffering of others ini 57 different ways. They treat victims of abuse cases as if merely a form of acceptable collateral damage to them, so this is what motivated me to make sure there was a certain amount of physical safe social distancing going on between them and myself, by a 4 hour drive. I didnt have to mention that to you and your readers, however, the world's problematic ways are being accentuated by musicians who lack the fortitude to admit that they are as stockholm syndrome themed for the hollywood factor of bronze age fiction based mythology. Putin's sociopathic murder sprees never produce happy happy afterlives in the sky, even if you say that it does repeatedly in a chorus using plenty of majors. Please be safe, please be creative, please be protective of those who cannot so easily protect themselves, they only live just once.
Had a similar experience, tried the Maschine and it is very cool. I can see that if enough time was spent practicing it could be really powerful. But found it too limiting and having to relearn a completely new DAW ecosystem, was frustrating. Recording and sequenceing Did not seem intuitive at all.
I worry about this long term.... In a competative market its normal for one company to seemingly take a step past the other (like maschine did initially), and then for the company behind the 8 ball to take their strides and get back in front (MPC now.. to some lol). NI knows the things AKAI has done that are putting them in a tough spot, and they have the tech to match or even surpass... problem is more about what their actual vision is. If they find more money in the sound packs etc than its possible the Maschine and hardware in general is there more to keep them relevant. We'll see - I have faith though, especially with the recent mergers.
I gotta be honest Maschine needs to step they shit up they need to listen to the community and improve the platform we need up dates theirs simple things in the daw we should be able to do and we can I mean we can’t even drop a MP3 into the daw and he’s right the sequencer is convoluted to me FL has the best sequencer and ever daw should follow suit it’s so easy to arrange… so as a MK3 user they gotta step it up
5:50 Fam, comparing the two isn’t possible. Maschine is a MIDI controller, where as a MPC is an All-In-One… there’s no comparison. I use both together. I call them my odd couple. Three’s company when LPX is invited 😁😎
@@magnuseriksson8081 Sure, or if it was me, I'd assign each Group to a stereo output from the VSTi (limited to 16) into my DAW, and record it straight out as audio into the DAW as I'm lazy. I have hundreds of Maschine projects to deal with in terms of getting away from it. You could setup a template in your DAW and load up the Maschine VSTi project file as a quick way to do this without doing the routing umpteen times over. Or, if you're using a DAW like Cubase, Nuendo or Reaper, save the routing as a track preset.
Hi, you sound like someone more into daw-like environments which is why I get from my mpc one touch screen. I never used machine but have considered trying it because I'm looking for a more tactile feel. the machine is just more "groove-box based". it really don't look like a "song mode machine" at all. machine is more for "live" performances which that is what I;m looking for.
Interesting bcuz I'm want to buy entry level into one of these platforms and may choose Machine simply bcuz Komplete Kontrol makes browsing so easy and I'm mad Akai is letting they're similar VIP software collect dust. Also I still can't wrap my head around Akai software maybe it's different in standalone?
Maschine, Komplete Kontrol, and Kontakt have terrible browsers on the computer, and even worse on the controller. Think about it: why access a list through a tiny screen when you've got a monitor with decent filtering and a search tool? Komplete Kontrol and VIP are gimmicks nobody asked for.
@@HammyHavoc for the a series keyboard i coukd agree for the screens, but you also have your ears for the preview sound and it works pretty good - at least for me
Alot of people don't understand that just before NI released + they got alot of funding which Im guessing they spent on that weird yter meet up where they all stayed in caravans inside? Then they got partly brought out...... Only the DJs picked it up as they were worried about how Traktor would be supported in the future. I don't trust them to update + either.
You bought plus version i stayed on MK3 and i find Plus as a benefiting option and good quality build and that's important to me but you are expiriencing a bad not enough quality features but i bought PS5 and I'm playing games and making music and I'm enjoying and maybe it's about the way we look at things and maybe Plus version is best Analogue input electronic instrument ever . Looking for all in one solution will be computer in another package and you want to make music and you definitely can and you can do it fast almost in real time together with inspiration, at least it's how i do it and it full time job . It's not easy but no one said it would. Life is Beautiful
Bro, your so correct, the sequencer is rated very low. Still no performance recording mode, no track mute automation. And it’s like there doing this on purpose, which is sad.
Yes, why can they let us record how we play our sections, patterns, clips, etc??? If so, you get going in minutes and get a song done in 1-30 min at times
It has all these things...... Just cuz it does it different doesn't mean it doesn't do it. That being said, it's certainly easier to do track mutes with MPC, and you can put that in the "preference to workflow" argument. But Maschine 100 percent does all of this
@@magnuseriksson8081 You can though. Do you mean bypassing the ideas mode and just recording directly to the arrangement? If so, yes you can do that easily either using clips feature or just recording directly in arranger mode.
IDK BRO Maschine is top tier for me sounds like the problem for you is your work flow. Set you some templates if you feel like its taking you too long to get into it. Ive tried ableton and studio one 6 and others DAWS and they look nice as hell but they dont even compare to Maschine in Sound Quality or work flow
The thing is NI didn't had any history, so they could create Maschine from a very new fresh eye. And they did it first, so they were well ahead of the curve. Akai did have a 20+ years history, with a lot of customers that know their MPC fully, to use them even with closed eyes. So Akai had to work around and make sure they keep a similar workflow. And it was penalising them for innovations and therefore they had to go step by step and play catch up with Maschine. But since Akai is a huge company with a lot of knowledge, they did work very hard. And couple of versions later, they now have a very robust system, that not only caught up with NI, but can also finally have their own innovations and specificities. And it's NI that is struggling a little bit because we now their big next step (full audio recording) is a big step and they probably can't make it very easily. They might also need to proceed step by step here. So in the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're using NI Maschine, Akai MPC or even Ableton Push 2, etc... just use what the hell you like and what works best for you and your workflow. That's all that matters.... same with the DAW: Logic, Cubase, Protools, FL Studio, Ableton, Studio One, Reaper, you name it... just use what you like and works for you. There's no bad choice and anyone can make world wide platinum hits on any platform of your choice. I messed with MPC in the past and I used Maschine version 1. And now I like Maschine environment better... but I really hope they would come with a 8x8 pads Maschine and with an update to have full audio recording... So until then, I will just not buy anything and just wait. I can already do plenty with my old rig on my new laptop... oh yeah, Mac, PC, same thing, just use whatever you like best. Both could be great. What works for one person might not work for someone else... it's not a big deal to not use the exact same rig of your favorite artist/producer.
Why people don't understand its is a marketing. Machine is a way for NI to sell expansion. Every month a new expansion pop. Machine will stay the same in 10 years
Guess we'll see in the next few months if they drop the big update. Or mk4. I've had 3 mk3s and the knobs/encoders are always ghosting out. So frustrating especially that first knob which controls so many different things. The sequencing in Maschine tho. I love it for me it's super fast. Really hoping for an update that really changes dramatically and or a good quality controller with metal encoders and touchscreen. They dropped the ball big-time on the plus. Way too slow for the price. If it wasn't for Komplete I'd have got a Touch or mpc one by now
Let’s make this simple 👉🏿 Native Instruments doesn’t support their children (Products) 🧬 and are subject to abandonment into the "Projects” to fend for them selves🥶……… Akai makes a great step dad and can save yourself time and money.
When they threw in clips into the regular work flow and forced you to somewhat use clips instead of patterns that messed up the flow they never gave you the option to turn it off yes theres a way around it but who got time to do all that lol im good mpc one is my primary and maschine now is my secondary
I have not used clips yet, you do not need to use it but it's there if you want your patterns to be more flexible??? I need to learn how to work with clips to be able to work well with vocals and transitions etc...
@@magnuseriksson8081 Any pattern can be turned into a clip. I tend to create a pattern for risers, producer tags, etc., then place it in my track as a clip so that I can move it freely along the timeline, especially if I use it more than once.
@@crazygooner3398 I understand that it is possible but I have never found a video where someone shows how to do it in the hardware, I want to work in standalone and not connect the M plus to the software and still create a clip of a pattern and place it across the whole song
One thing about Music Equipment is that build quality is somewhere between " Conspiracy" i used almost every DAW and tried many HW instruments and MIDI controllers and as an Artist i will be Honest, as long you have motivation and you have work flow that's translate inspiration to Music then you are OK . MK3 is amazing but same can be said for any AKAI but then there are many downgrades and Mouse is most important and best music tool , Maschine MK3 is amazing Analogue Human input device maybe the best but always it's up to you. Muscle Memory? Am i so smart so i know hoe to use everything even mobile phones to make music and i started with PS1 MTV Music Generator then PS2 so after i migrate to PC i understood how it's works and it's so similar from DAW to another or MIDI controllers to HW synths everything is passing that's why make Music and don't be that one guy who doesn't know what he wants to talk about so he is asking for next subject to make his YT history while he is sitting in front of expensive studio gear . Life is Beautiful and music producers were selling equipment and buying Computers and software, looking for best MIDI controller but there is no such product that is resistant to dust, hard and fast moving parts, everything is half solution that is working if you like making music and that's that simple. Life is Beautiful
The sounds in NI and even Maschine are top tier! No match
I disagree. In term of Urban drums but everything else I approve!
Versus Omnisphere? I don't think so.
as someone who owns both, I disagree. MPC stock sounds are fucking PRISTINE. they sound like they are all perfectly pre-mixed for you.
Maschine has just.. THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of sounds and better synths that you can mess with, but atleast the samples on MPC just sounds incredible and fit in the mix just like that.
Apples and oranges. It’s all about how you freak these drum machines: People putting too much on names instead of making beautiful sounding music.
there is something that many do not seem to understand about updates...most of the time...a lot of updates means many problems to fix and vice versa, so it is a good sign for me when the updates of a product are far apart in time and represents significant improvements
@CHARLES 13X what do you mean?
@@artisans8521 it works great for me, I found Maschine like the best workflow ever. Of course...it's a matter of personal preference. All I'm saying is that frequency of updates...is not equal to...solve significant problems
Funny I sold my Maschine studio right when the Push 2 came out and I bought the Maschine mk3 last year to get back into it and I’ve done a few tracks but haven’t finished any of them in that year. Push 2 and Ableton and komplete kontrol is just the sweet spot for me. I recently started forcing myself to use maschine because it is fun but I feel you man, the song mode is just not there yet even with the updates. I hate having to think too much while I’m creating. If I get a stand alone it would be an MPC for sure
MPC LIVE 2
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When you use Reaktor and Guitar Rig inside maschine, it opens up a whole new world. Making your own FX is a godsend.
Can you do guitar looping inside Maschine with Guitar Rig?
@@WarrenPostma loop your guitar with maschine then load guitar rig for FX.
NI banned me from their forum the other day as they couldn't take constructive criticism. That alone is enough to make me want to drop the KKMK2, Maschine MK3, and Jam. Invested thousands into their ecosystem. Waited patiently for years on end for them to get it together, but wasn't going to happen.
Can't even record mutes on Maschine. No PDC. No track freeze/unfreeze. No aftertouch or transport in KKMK2 when you assign it to a Maschine instance. No split/merge of patterns. Piss-poor DAW integration. No probability ala Elektron or MPC. No control voltage tools. Utterly pathetic Maschine+. Terrible rollout of updates recently in terms of sticking to release dates given to the public. Broken promises with the Jam. Kore. Bodged Massive X launch. I could go on for hours.
That's without getting into durability issues (screen problems galore, had to have KKMK2 and Maschine MK3 replaced repeatedly by NI), and the worst support I've ever encountered in audio. Overpriced toys. A shadow of their former selves. No longer innovative, just resting on their laurels, and have let go of most of their worthwhile talent, but good to see their talent landed on its feet with the likes of Rhizomatic Plasmonic (chap behind Absynth) and New Sonic Arts (dude behind Kore).
Well said Hammy Havoc. I feel the same. I always thought your comments on the forum where really intelligent and honest. Damn shame banning you. Their new forum sucks.
@DJ Instrumental Jay Couldn't agree more with you mate! They're a shadow of their former selves, rested on their laurels too long. IMO, it's over for them. MPC 2000XL is a great shout. Real workhorse.
I had that same problem with Isla Instrument’s I gave my opinion on how the pads feel they are nice but the texture feels like nail buffers and I kicked off the forums also concerning NI I rather h ave a Jam + but dont know if that will happen to that 1100 I will save and buy me a MPC key 61
I use both. Komplete kontrol s61 and mpc live. The sounds coming out of NI are so much superior. They sound more organic and textured to me personally. Akai as a company and insound are wiping the floor with NI when it comes to user feedback and implementation. The new mpc keys looks astounding. I can't comprehend why NI is so rigid and reluctant to open things up and let the hardware breath a bit
They were supposed to release this NI One update that would integrate komplete kontrol/maschine/traktor with more daw features.That was 7 years ago...
akai is a behemoth compared to N.I.
their foray into hardware was funded by their years as a software innovator. when the vst market become saturated, their company suffered, margins were lower when competition caught up, now they have severely downsized and went through major restructuring. ua-cam.com/video/wRLx7ns8CAs/v-deo.html simply is incorrect. they have a large range of products, but that doesn't mean they have akai resources. that asymmetry is a problem.
Your right my maschine mk3 has been collecting dust since I got live 2 .
I've always wanted one since the micro came out back then ,but i get where you're coming from cause back in the day you've always voiced issues you've had with it and what you'd like to see in future updates ,you was the only one on youtube that gave them props and critiqued them , recently I've came very close to buying one at my local store but I've opted for a new pc instead and bought an mpk mini 25 mk3 cause my axiom was acting up on the display screen ,it worked out pretty well .
I feel like MPC is a better playground for samples. You can get really intricate with it.
there is TONS of stuff you can do with samples in Maschine. Especially when you start getting in to the AU. Different workflow doesn't mean lack of options.
You may not rag on NI but I'll gladly do it. They were one of the most diverse companies when it came to every facet in the game but it got to a point where they decided to put all their eggs in 1 basket & neglect everything else. They had all these folks invest in hardware but let the software grow outdated and antiquated and it's not just their music production division. Their DJ software Traktor was arguably the Industry Standard at one point but then just stopped updating which allowed the competition to catch up &; eventually surpass them. Odd thing is, many a company have offered to buy it from them and take it off their hands & build it back up but turned them down. Seems as if they're content to let it wither away into obscurity. Meanwhile InMusic, who owns Akai, Denon DJ, Numark, Alesis, Rane etc are doing the complete opposite. They take the consumer's feedback into consideration, implement & update accordingly with revolutionary game changing hardware to boot.
I did notice yesterday watching playdifferently / the model 1 and 1.4 mixer vids that alot of their dj´s were using traktor again. The fact that they are not willing to sell it and bring out hardware for it means ni still have plans for it. I remember when i got my mk2 maschine i got a question form from ni where they asked how to best implement maschine into traktor. My idea was having a deck that showed the scenes or patterns with a small midi view,and the option to Quickly change a sound (keep the pattern but change the snare for example). Anyway when they get maschine integration on point in traktor so we don't need to run 2 programs,it will be awesome and continue to blur the lines between djing,production and on the fly producing wich is the future imo. All dj´s could play the same song but have their own remixed version of it. Would be so awesome.
Super facts!
@@Iredidv Model 1 & 1.4 are a niche mixer. It's just a handful of high profile DJs as ambassadors & tech savvy bedroom jockeys. It's a subsidiary of Allen & Heath. If NI doesn't care about their own gear then why would they hold out for another company that they have no affiliation with? At the DJ Expo a few weeks back, every manufacturer had all their latest & greatest on display with teasers of what's to come. At the NI booth they had a bunch of hardware all of which were all 4 years old & older. Folks can't even update the OS on their computers because they're afraid it won't support the outdated gear & software
Sounds like Akai for almost a decade 😂 Not trying to defend NI i think this video comes down more to preference in hardware. I still use Maschine Studio as long NI keeps updating the software theres really no issue it all comes down to the producer how he masters his hardware. I used to own Akai Mpc 2000 2000xl & 5000, i loved them all! but Akai has had its issues over the years as well BIG TIME! during 2013-2019 Akai had all sorts of bug issues. I bought Akai Mpk249 and again bug issues with no integration of software wich was odd. Akai midi Software and Expansions were a joke. Akai abandon every midi controller and because they knew there controllers were outdated and outclassed by NI.
It's about person who is making music, when i listening this YT "creators" i don't feel joy or any satisfied message except for toxic it comes out of those persons and poisons us with its displeasure. 😂 Pro Dreamers, crazy thing in t that running from Computer they are demanding the same just packed differently but if you speak with any dev they will be honest because it's never enough and conclusion is computer in different package that would cost more than it would sell and it's time we appreciate what we have and use it because itit's about Music. Life is Beautiful
woo the studio one and the rest didn't need what mpc trying to do and i love the mpc x all native missing is to be able to do is record like a daw
I love how you prefaced this video. I’m subbing based on that alone.
In terms of workflow Maschine is light years ahead of Akai.
💯 for real bro. I agree
thats the only reason why i keep my mashine studio running
masive and the control you have over it
Mpc is a beast you can transpose every bar effortlessly if you wanted . The beat swich is Krazy and the vintage compressor ahhhh the compressors baby 😮
I got Maschine MK2 for free and as it’s a demo model, i cannot even sell it - so I hope it will help as a sampler to get ideas from gear and straight to Logic… let’s see…
I had native but I got the mpc x an I must say akai is coming hard always new upgrades
But the workflow with MPC seems a bit clunky??
That sequencer need a do over 💘
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Are the pads on the MPC any softer? The pads on the Maschine feel like i'm hitting off of HARD rubber plates... it'd be nice if they were just a bit more absorptive. I almost feel like we're about to get in a fight.
The mpc pads are tougher
@@fa0179 Thank You
I've been a long-time MPC user since the 2000xl, but as a Reason user, I got frustrated with their lack of sequencer editing updates like everyone else. I went from Reason to the MPC Reinassance (before the updated daw), Native Instruments, Studio One, etc. I didn't realize how much I needed a stand-alone unit until I got the MPC One. The MPC One is on another level for my workflow and creativity personally. You don't have to think about too much, just seamless creation. I tried using NI software/hardware integration, and it's not just for me.
Maschine controller is awesome as a controller for Bitwig thanks to DrivenbyMoss's maschine script.
ALL he said was 100% true. I championed for maschine almost from the start. I’ve actually owned about 3 different maschines through the years. But the lack of ‘easy of use’ for some of the most simplest features/unappealing updates and no mp3 support STILL, really killed it for me. I grab an MPC studio and found it did everything I wanted to do in the most simple streamline way. And I’ve never even use a MPC back in the day. So when the prices on the ‘X’ finally came down I had to jump on it. I still use kontakt and One or two of their other plugins which made me buy an S49. Otherwise I pretty much moved on from native instruments. It’s has been difficult trying to sell all this old native instrument stuff. But I’m much happier now more then ever!!!
How do u like the X??
@@CatLover-g7j I’ve been a Maschine beta tester for 7 years…. I purchased an MPC X a little over a year ago, and have haven’t touched Maschine since…
@@jackbauer1805 Sold
@@CatLover-g7j Well, I’m from the SP1200 era and the X is exactly what Im use to as far as simple sequencing and straight forward sample editing. Not too mention the control layout gives you two different ways to do most functions. But to be honest, I’d start with the MPC Studio first (original version) it’s the cheapest way into MPCs ecosystem. Only issue for me was the lack of a touch screen. Which had me attracted to the X when it came out!
@@MixWorkRecordings Just bought a S61 Mk2 for $400 today. Native Instruments gear is great only when bought 2nd hand. They're overpriced in todays market. Looking to get the Akai Force or Live 2 next. I'm a FL and Studio One guy.
Seriously, as much as things change, all the tricks and ways of composing were already done with more primitive equipment, yes, with things like a Yamaha Motif ES 8 (sampler) and things like that, and I think that you don't need a lot of technology to make music so simple and basic.
You can make a hit with both :)
I use my maschine as a vst in ableton. And it’s a beast. I can just drag and drop my patterns in ableton or drag from ableton back into machine. Maschine song mode is wacky but in ableton song view Brahh u need to unretire
@Nathaniel Walker because I like using maschine software to find drums and sounds right on the hardware.
@@djfreaknique1587You could find sounds with Komplete Kontrol instead
@@djfreaknique1587 if they don't get it they just don't get it. It's just intuitive and easy to make something quick and then you can start arranging in your daw seconds later
I really need to start doing this. As the brother said,the maschine software is just too limiting.
song mode wacky? its better than MPC lol. and I own both a Maschine and MPC live 2
Just purchased Maschine+ Vapor Gray after seeing this video. Thanks 🤗
I got rid of mine because I never actually finish beats start to finish with it. The workflow for laying out a beat is too rigid and complicated. God forbid you want to add a transition sound. The amount of work required is mad annoying. I went to ableton with a midi controller and now I finish all my beats and the possibilities feel endless.
Which DAW do you use with your Ableton device?
@@Davo198 ableton obviously
@@QueenslandSolar 😉
I once bought the Maschine somewhere in 2011. Within 3 week I kicked it out and went back to my Standalone MPC. From there I went to the controller Ren. And the rest is history with the X.
Great review Man!! I really enjoyed your flow and kind straight talking. I am with you, I have a Mk3 but I just can't get into the workflow. The NI sounds are sooooooo good, that keeps me going. I think though, like you say, I just need to get the muscle memory. So many people love the Mk3. I want to get to a point that I can make a song live, in front of a crowd with me and a couple of others, say keys, guitar/bass and vox. Then I can share with a crowd how much fun it is making beats these days
I’m in the process of switching myself. However, it’s for only one reason that you mention it’s the updates and the fact that MPC seems to cater to our culture. I completely disagree with your Ranger comment Native Instruments has made huge strides in their most recent updates in the arranger is now pretty nice if you get in there and learn it. In some cases I feel like you are speaking from an old native instrument users point of view which is OK however many things have been updated. That said I do agree that MPC allows you to Dial things in just a bit further. In reality I don’t think either one of these platforms is better than the other it simply comes down to preference as you said at the beginning of the video. Thanks for the video great perspective.
I can understand your points. Honestly I like it still, due to the mentioned ecosystem, but if they could keep the same formfactor, with touchscreen, built in battery that lasts at least 10 hours under load, and with 1TB SSD… for their plugins and samples I’d buy it instead of Akai. That would be a true portable Maschine+.
Until then, I still playing with the idea to buy an Akai MPC Live II. Best of both worlds. :)
bought the mk3 3 years ago and haven’t made any beats yet. I’ve heard it as as vst on my DAW but hate the patterns and scenes and all that crap
thx for sharing your thoughts and insights brotha. can i get some more info on the headset mic you used in this video? sounds clean!!
Maschine is like having a smoker it does what it does. Akai is like a grill where it does more than one thing. You have more options when grilling. The food will be good but it’s all on what you have a taste for
Ive used both... there is almost nothing one does that the other doesn't, that's a misconception on both ends of the NI/MPC debates. Certain features are more intuitive to use with MPC than NI and vice versa. I think the windows/apple comparison someone made is really fair. At this point both platforms do just about everything you'll ever need, but take a different approach which can cause confusion/frustration depending on which way you look at it.... Everyone tells me apple is easier than windows, but there is still so many things I have no idea how to do on my apple that are second nature with my windows, even though I know i CAN do them with apple.
I'm 3 months in with the maschine and your absolutely right about the sequencer. I hate it I just want a regular song layout .. the ideas thing ain't it .. I love NI sounds though
You can use it like a regular DAW using Song mode and Clips.
It wasn't made to be used as you want but to use it somehow and get the most out of it , if you can, if you are about Music. This is OK to share expirience but if you not able to get good music from Maschine then.... maybe go back to Mouse because it's so far the best Music tool
Took me some time to learn song arrangements and how to tweak the samples but after I figure it out it wasn’t soo bad. Now my issue is the updates, seems like Everytime a new processors comes out or a computer operating system comes out they have to play catch up and you have to wait. I always upgrade right away so unfortunately I can’t even use the full featers of komplete 13 because of it and that sucks!
Do you understand how to make a vocal pattern to a clip and have it across the whole timeline as you do in a regular DAW??
Will you teach me how too make beats with the MPC Live 2
Yeah what do you want to know
@@dilliot2k learn how to chop samples and drum patterns also song structure
4:20 I don’t understand how sequencing on Maschine is so hard for people. From a old school (MPC1200) MPC user, using maschine feels like cheating, IMHO.
Have you tried to add vocals or others across the whole timeline by only using the hardware?? (I need to understand how to convert a vocal pattern to a clip and add it across the timeline in M Plus.
Depends what you're trying to sequence. The sequencer is incredibly limited, and this is someone who has been a user since MK1, and read every revision of the manual. Once you try the likes of Nuendo, it is difficult to ever humour the idea of sequencing in Maschine.
Ok, now I gotta put out a tutorial 😉 I’ve been using Maschine for a decade. Trust me with the newest updates, it gets even easier with the inclusion of clips. I’ve noticed nobody on UA-cam has dived deep into the sequencer 🥃
@@squalley If that's in response to me, I was in the Maschine beta providing feedback on it. I know it intimately, I just think it's incredibly limited.
Without meaning to cause offence, I just feel like I've outgrown Maschine in its current iteration, and NI's reluctance for years on end to add basic functionality has pushed me away entirely. I was one of the most active users on their forum until they banned me as their current forum staff can't accept criticism.
@@squalley Please do, it is needed and clips and how to use clips needs to be explained better online if you want to do it in the hardware like I would love to
left maschine many years ago akia caught up with NI and ran laps around them imo
I agree that these days there is no ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL as far as music producing tools and TECH is concerned. We need to get skilled at what we use and how we use it.
I started with Roland cause it was cheaper at the time then migrated to AKAI then the gear I wanted was out of my range $1000 per device at any one time. I will say that I like the Idea of being able to use the gear without a computer so stand alone device are coming along but need larger storage and faster processing which will raise the price a bit.
Thanks
At the end of the day, every company has their ups and downs in a competitive market. He said it himself.. When Maschine first came out, It was putting Akai in a bad spot with all of the functionality etc etc. It took Akai years to get their tech together and then came out with stronger offerings that were up to snuff with Maschine, changing it to "which workflow you like better". Just recently they made some updates that have probably put NI on their toes again.. and now NI will work on things from their end to up the ante again. Given the recent mergers/partnerships formed with companies like Izotope and others, we could see some mind blowing stuff from NI soon.
All facts, put my MK3 back in the box, banished it to the closet. LIVE II is crazy, dang near replaces everything in my studio.
Can you use the Native Instrument Expansions and Kontakt in the MPC?
@@TWISMatic Yes, you can convert the Native Instrument expansions to MPC Expansion using Kit maker 2.0 and you can use Kontakt with the MPC as well in Standalone.
through a conversion, yes
@@WeFullTime so the answer is no… Sure you can convert some of the samples and of course you can run VSTs on your PC with MPC, but you can’t run them on your device ….
And it seems like the NI team will be busy updating to vst3 for the next while, so don't expect many new features anytime soon.
You have a better idea than I do.
Im a Reason Guy lol but i dabble in Akai Professional
What camera do you use to record your videos Dilio?
Happy birthday
I want a mpc just to learn it
The AKAI MPC live II is the better deal IMP, as compared to the Maschine +, since it is a TRUE standalone box since it has a battery and a HDD slot.
i do agree i am fightin tooth n nail with 2 difrant maschine models in last 10 years .. but not able to use in my productions ,,also their hardware buttons go bad and their lifes too short so i stopped wrkin on maschine also it has library folder location issue where all my kits hav disappeared ..
Can't you just simply put it into MIDI Mode, like all Native Instruments devices, and program it to do pretty much anything MIDI related?
Yes you can do that
You can't turn off the lightguide on the KKMK2. Always glowing blue, it's an eyesore.
I was very big on Maschine and they were ahead of there time but Akai really listened to their consumer base and dominated. NI developers downsized and did a mass layoff and they sort of did a time delay and got stuck there. I left Maschine and I am not a fan of Akai. I went to Ableton and never went back. I love creative flexibility, to be able to create without limitations can push you to something new that no one has ever done.
Which DAW do you use with your Ableton pad?
@@Davo198 I use Ableton Live as my main DAW. I use the Novation MK3 keyboard as my midi controller of choice.
As for Machine VS MPC I'd choose MPC however I'm a Reason User and dont use much else.
I always hear good things about reason, and I used to use reason myself. I don't know what youtube does , i imagine it's on their end.
@@dilliot2k I hear alot of people moan about Reasons DAW that its had no big update for over 5 years and no VST3 support, things that dont really affect Me.
Great video I would like to see a video on your workflow and process using maschine. It'd always good to see how other experience producers chose their sounds and make it work with their style.
Thinking of switching to mpc 61. But, comparing it to a korg nautilus, mpc 61 seems inferior for the price point.
Nautilus will give you WAY more sound wise.
Kit maker cures all the sound issues. Having a Mpc and can use native instruments kits makes it a wrap 💯
this is good to know
I feel native instruments suffer them samething korg suffers from. Having too many products. Can't possibly be every where all the time. Akai do not have as many products allowing them to focus and update products
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Still a great usage of workflow if you know how to take advantage , you can do so much with vsts or your own chops compared to old school Akai machines scrolling scrolling scrolling ..machine you can lay down the songs base and then make sounds / tracks into audio and transfer to DAW of ur choice otherwise people just making "like instrumentals" ..Make Your Own Sounds if you make music
You cant compare MK3 to MPC ONE a better comparision is Machine Plus to MPC ONE and with the price drop its a way better machine .
Kindly donate your Maschine to me... I still aint over them... lol...
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Man, the sequencer needs to be changed. And I feel the time stretch can be a headache
I own both MPC one and Mashine MK2. The MPC one has everything you need out of the box, the Maschine requires a lot of money to be spent on plugins, it doesent do enough with just the basic software. That said the plug in synths on maschine blow the MPC ones out of the water
That is true
Nah i feel you. Sometimes its just is what it is. Fl studio is the best daw hands down. When it comes to be innovative. It really changed the game aint no pride its just facts
Yeah, he's on to something.
NI used to be the hottest thing on the block.
Lately they've made a lot of decisions that I just don't understand. Pioneer has been making weird decisions as well.
Name them so others are better informed, mate.
I bought Maschine from the very first version and when it first came out it was different and amazing. The workflow was so good I could pump out songs in minutes. I even bought the studio day one when that came out. Imo once Maschine 2.x came out NIs priorities changes with Maschine. They were more concerned with selling sound packs and adding needed features into the software. They do trickle in features but sometimes it’s too little to late. I moved to the MPC Live about 4 years ago and the difference between version 2.2 and the recent 2.11 is night and day. I don’t even touch Maschine anymore for anything other than opening old projects and I do that on the computer. My studio is gathering dust somewhere.
I started yawning after 3 min and switched off a bad workman blames his tools.
I always heard that the song mode is pretty bad and that the workflow, in general, is so much harder to work with on the MPC??
It's not hard, but if you don't really have it down, it can take a little longer than expected.
It all depends on how you like to create. The features and functions of NI/MPC are so similar its pulling hairs to try and say its a feature/function issue. There are some things that NI can do much more efficiently than MPC, and some things MPC does more efficiently than NI... but there are very few things either option simply can't do that the other one does. For me, it was ideas mode and the ability to hyper efficiently test out different combinations of ideas that really got me hooked with NI over MPC. Others would argue that the ideas mode just complicates things for them. It's all a matter of workflow taste that point.
@@NGC1986 Love the ideas mode but its hard to make it to a full song with vocals that goes across the whole song it seems,, convert a vocal pattern to a clip and place it across the whole song, I would love to see some really good instructions on how to do that in the M plus. I have not found anything online yet. I really need a box that makes it easier to work with vocals and how come a song mode seems like an afterthought for so many Dawless setups, its been the way of working for ages, unreal to me!!
@@NGC1986 ua-cam.com/video/qJ90FiIQ7kc/v-deo.html
I don’t know if anybody else views it this way.
I look @ Native Instruments Like Apple. Closed ecosystem and a bit more work to get used to
Akai is more like Windows. A more open OS and easier workflow.
This is just my opinion.
I do believe it comes down to just getting one that works with you and really learning it well.
I love Maschine but I've had too many issues with crashing. Digital lately for me has been getting in the way so much im thinking of just doing all acapella work and putting a good mix on it.
You can arrange easily with maschine. I do all kinds of different arranging.
Ableton is #1 when it comes to song arrangement. Maschine is #2. The ideas view made it similar to Ableton.
I loved ableton thats where i started to learn arrangement. But once i got into fl studio that was the game changer for me because of the sequencer and piano roll
@@k4CLive Ableton is better in those aspects for me. I've used FL Studio since 1997 and it seemed like the sequencer was always good but once I got a hold of Ableton, I never looked back!
I like native instrument products. Sure they could be modded via software edits though through revisionment. They could allow for user level editing in ways that things should be.
One thing though, music landscaping is for being creative, inventive, a canvas and the paint and the brush and the artist.
I study physics, sociology, criminology, and music.
Please be safe and encourage safety in your audience.
Concert crushes never really cause the victims to go off to a happyland in the sky, even if you want to smile and sing lyingly to yourself and to other people about such fantasy frameworks of thought.
I am a musician that actually moved 4 hours away from a bone breakingly violent older sibling. He and his friends are manipulative cognitively dissonant noncritical thinkers, as they downplay the suffering of others ini 57 different ways. They treat victims of abuse cases as if merely a form of acceptable collateral damage to them, so this is what motivated me to make sure there was a certain amount of physical safe social distancing going on between them and myself, by a 4 hour drive.
I didnt have to mention that to you and your readers, however, the world's problematic ways are being accentuated by musicians who lack the fortitude to admit that they are as stockholm syndrome themed for the hollywood factor of bronze age fiction based mythology.
Putin's sociopathic murder sprees never produce happy happy afterlives in the sky, even if you say that it does repeatedly in a chorus using plenty of majors.
Please be safe, please be creative, please be protective of those who cannot so easily protect themselves, they only live just once.
The Maschine is a *'Dongle Dinosaur'* 🦖
Had a similar experience, tried the Maschine and it is very cool. I can see that if enough time was spent practicing it could be really powerful. But found it too limiting and having to relearn a completely new DAW ecosystem, was frustrating. Recording and sequenceing Did not seem intuitive at all.
NI prioritise sound packs lol
I worry about this long term.... In a competative market its normal for one company to seemingly take a step past the other (like maschine did initially), and then for the company behind the 8 ball to take their strides and get back in front (MPC now.. to some lol). NI knows the things AKAI has done that are putting them in a tough spot, and they have the tech to match or even surpass... problem is more about what their actual vision is. If they find more money in the sound packs etc than its possible the Maschine and hardware in general is there more to keep them relevant. We'll see - I have faith though, especially with the recent mergers.
I gotta be honest Maschine needs to step they shit up they need to listen to the community and improve the platform we need up dates theirs simple things in the daw we should be able to do and we can I mean we can’t even drop a MP3 into the daw and he’s right the sequencer is convoluted to me FL has the best sequencer and ever daw should follow suit it’s so easy to arrange… so as a MK3 user they gotta step it up
5:50 Fam, comparing the two isn’t possible. Maschine is a MIDI controller, where as a MPC is an All-In-One… there’s no comparison. I use both together. I call them my odd couple. Three’s company when LPX is invited 😁😎
How to bring a project from Maschine to LPX in an easy way??
MPC can be a controller too, hence the likes of MPC Studio...
@@magnuseriksson8081 Drag-and-drop exports.
@@HammyHavoc You drag and drop each stem from the Maschine software to Logic Pro?
@@magnuseriksson8081 Sure, or if it was me, I'd assign each Group to a stereo output from the VSTi (limited to 16) into my DAW, and record it straight out as audio into the DAW as I'm lazy. I have hundreds of Maschine projects to deal with in terms of getting away from it.
You could setup a template in your DAW and load up the Maschine VSTi project file as a quick way to do this without doing the routing umpteen times over. Or, if you're using a DAW like Cubase, Nuendo or Reaper, save the routing as a track preset.
Hi, you sound like someone more into daw-like environments which is why I get from my mpc one touch screen. I never used machine but have considered trying it because I'm looking for a more tactile feel. the machine is just more "groove-box based". it really don't look like a "song mode machine" at all. machine is more for "live" performances which that is what I;m looking for.
check out Roland sp-404 ( no pc, etc)
As a Logic Pro X user I may say that my MK3 is just to embellish my desk!! Nothing else...
I too also sometimes have gear on standby for the simple fact that it looks cooler.
@@dilliot2k is like a plane cockpit and that's it!!
Interesting bcuz I'm want to buy entry level into one of these platforms and may choose Machine simply bcuz Komplete Kontrol makes browsing so easy and I'm mad Akai is letting they're similar VIP software collect dust.
Also I still can't wrap my head around Akai software maybe it's different in standalone?
It depends on your needs, maybe a komplete keyboard is a better choice for you
Maschine, Komplete Kontrol, and Kontakt have terrible browsers on the computer, and even worse on the controller. Think about it: why access a list through a tiny screen when you've got a monitor with decent filtering and a search tool? Komplete Kontrol and VIP are gimmicks nobody asked for.
@@HammyHavoc for the a series keyboard i coukd agree for the screens, but you also have your ears for the preview sound and it works pretty good - at least for me
Alot of people don't understand that just before NI released + they got alot of funding which Im guessing they spent on that weird yter meet up where they all stayed in caravans inside? Then they got partly brought out...... Only the DJs picked it up as they were worried about how Traktor would be supported in the future. I don't trust them to update + either.
I am feeling the same way bro. Native needs to move. The plus could be better. I love the sequencer and arranger though.
You bought plus version i stayed on MK3 and i find Plus as a benefiting option and good quality build and that's important to me but you are expiriencing a bad not enough quality features but i bought PS5 and I'm playing games and making music and I'm enjoying and maybe it's about the way we look at things and maybe Plus version is best Analogue input electronic instrument ever . Looking for all in one solution will be computer in another package and you want to make music and you definitely can and you can do it fast almost in real time together with inspiration, at least it's how i do it and it full time job . It's not easy but no one said it would. Life is Beautiful
Bro, your so correct, the sequencer is rated very low. Still no performance recording mode, no track mute automation. And it’s like there doing this on purpose, which is sad.
It kinda has a performance mode but its been so long, I don't remember how it worked.
Yes, why can they let us record how we play our sections, patterns, clips, etc??? If so, you get going in minutes and get a song done in 1-30 min at times
@@magnuseriksson8081 that’s what I’m saying! This is 2022, correct?
It has all these things...... Just cuz it does it different doesn't mean it doesn't do it. That being said, it's certainly easier to do track mutes with MPC, and you can put that in the "preference to workflow" argument. But Maschine 100 percent does all of this
@@magnuseriksson8081 You can though. Do you mean bypassing the ideas mode and just recording directly to the arrangement? If so, yes you can do that easily either using clips feature or just recording directly in arranger mode.
If you getting rid of mk3 I'd take it off ya hands lol I have the mikro
IDK BRO Maschine is top tier for me sounds like the problem for you is your work flow. Set you some templates if you feel like its taking you too long to get into it. Ive tried ableton and studio one 6 and others DAWS and they look nice as hell but they dont even compare to Maschine in Sound Quality or work flow
You can hear a talented producer on FL studio and you would think he has all that equipment in your studio 💯🤷♂️all about the person
The thing is NI didn't had any history, so they could create Maschine from a very new fresh eye. And they did it first, so they were well ahead of the curve. Akai did have a 20+ years history, with a lot of customers that know their MPC fully, to use them even with closed eyes. So Akai had to work around and make sure they keep a similar workflow. And it was penalising them for innovations and therefore they had to go step by step and play catch up with Maschine. But since Akai is a huge company with a lot of knowledge, they did work very hard. And couple of versions later, they now have a very robust system, that not only caught up with NI, but can also finally have their own innovations and specificities. And it's NI that is struggling a little bit because we now their big next step (full audio recording) is a big step and they probably can't make it very easily. They might also need to proceed step by step here. So in the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you're using NI Maschine, Akai MPC or even Ableton Push 2, etc... just use what the hell you like and what works best for you and your workflow. That's all that matters.... same with the DAW: Logic, Cubase, Protools, FL Studio, Ableton, Studio One, Reaper, you name it... just use what you like and works for you. There's no bad choice and anyone can make world wide platinum hits on any platform of your choice. I messed with MPC in the past and I used Maschine version 1. And now I like Maschine environment better... but I really hope they would come with a 8x8 pads Maschine and with an update to have full audio recording... So until then, I will just not buy anything and just wait. I can already do plenty with my old rig on my new laptop... oh yeah, Mac, PC, same thing, just use whatever you like best. Both could be great. What works for one person might not work for someone else... it's not a big deal to not use the exact same rig of your favorite artist/producer.
Exactly
Why people don't understand its is a marketing. Machine is a way for NI to sell expansion. Every month a new expansion pop. Machine will stay the same in 10 years
Guess we'll see in the next few months if they drop the big update. Or mk4. I've had 3 mk3s and the knobs/encoders are always ghosting out. So frustrating especially that first knob which controls so many different things. The sequencing in Maschine tho. I love it for me it's super fast. Really hoping for an update that really changes dramatically and or a good quality controller with metal encoders and touchscreen. They dropped the ball big-time on the plus. Way too slow for the price. If it wasn't for Komplete I'd have got a Touch or mpc one by now
Let’s make this simple 👉🏿 Native Instruments doesn’t support their children (Products) 🧬 and are subject to abandonment into the "Projects” to fend for them selves🥶……… Akai makes a great step dad and can save yourself time and money.
same thing happened to me man..
Mine is collecting dust in the closet
I don't like touch screen. I like to create and vibe with my eyes closed.
When they threw in clips into the regular work flow and forced you to somewhat use clips instead of patterns that messed up the flow they never gave you the option to turn it off yes theres a way around it but who got time to do all that lol im good mpc one is my primary and maschine now is my secondary
Do you think, an update would help make your maschine your primary?
@@dilliot2k Native Instruments would need more than a software update to fix their company.
I have not used clips yet, you do not need to use it but it's there if you want your patterns to be more flexible??? I need to learn how to work with clips to be able to work well with vocals and transitions etc...
@@magnuseriksson8081 Any pattern can be turned into a clip. I tend to create a pattern for risers, producer tags, etc., then place it in my track as a clip so that I can move it freely along the timeline, especially if I use it more than once.
@@crazygooner3398 I understand that it is possible but I have never found a video where someone shows how to do it in the hardware, I want to work in standalone and not connect the M plus to the software and still create a clip of a pattern and place it across the whole song
Bruh why cuz? Why you gon turn yo back on the community 😭
I love maschine because I have the muscle memory for it and mpc software probably would be cool but only use my live2 in standalone.
Change of heart maschine is a workflow beast. If I had to choose maschine wins
One thing about Music Equipment is that build quality is somewhere between " Conspiracy" i used almost every DAW and tried many HW instruments and MIDI controllers and as an Artist i will be Honest, as long you have motivation and you have work flow that's translate inspiration to Music then you are OK . MK3 is amazing but same can be said for any AKAI but then there are many downgrades and Mouse is most important and best music tool , Maschine MK3 is amazing Analogue Human input device maybe the best but always it's up to you. Muscle Memory? Am i so smart so i know hoe to use everything even mobile phones to make music and i started with PS1 MTV Music Generator then PS2 so after i migrate to PC i understood how it's works and it's so similar from DAW to another or MIDI controllers to HW synths everything is passing that's why make Music and don't be that one guy who doesn't know what he wants to talk about so he is asking for next subject to make his YT history while he is sitting in front of expensive studio gear . Life is Beautiful and music producers were selling equipment and buying Computers and software, looking for best MIDI controller but there is no such product that is resistant to dust, hard and fast moving parts, everything is half solution that is working if you like making music and that's that simple. Life is Beautiful
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