Those panels should be PRE TINNED to be correct. You're not sweating the joint to make up for it. You're just creating an arch over seam. The joint isn't completely soldered.
Yo tengo 10 años trabajando con cobre y disfruto hacerlo,hago ese tipo de costureado y también con la piedra plana donde la llevas a fuego lento y le agregas plomo y solo la vas moviendo como media pulgada y va quedando muy bonita la soldadura y todo de la misma forma.
Viejos. Me avente tantos videos hasta k llegue al suyo muy muy chingon. Me gusto la segunda soldadura por k creo k actua como una costura fuerte y la primera es penetrante.
If you're going to make and install these without pre tinning then go to a MAP gas torch and dont worry so much about a beautiful looking seam. At least you know you sweated it through the whole joint.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume these guys are immigrants, and it is amazing how impressive these guys have had to become in order to make their way up in the new country. If they are not immigrants I am no less impressed by these skills and I am glad hard workers like these guys are doing what many others wouldn't do because it's "too hard" :)
DoingStupidStuff right we are immigrants from Ecuador..i arrived in this country at the age of 15 years old.. I have doing this job for many years and I liked. That because of that I try to learn every day more .... thank
Finally someone that knows how to solder....keep up the good work ..looks almost as good as mine but damn your getting it.... I'm impressed....for all y'all so called metal men ..take notes and pay attention cause this guy can get it done ...no worries....
Sweat and lace.. I use dotting on chimney flashing, the dog ear to back pan, never seen that double dotting, looks pretty good. Solder is a sealant, a great sealant, but a sealant none the less. The strength to hold pieces of metal together comes from that fold lock, or at times, I use steel pop rivets, like when I'm relining a box gutter. Your solder looks just fine, let's see some of that double dotting on some vertical seams...!!..
Keep the heat on it bendayho ! Nice puddles but they snap after the winter right down the whole seem because your laying them on top of the metal punk!and I have to solder over all your work! Metal Knotzi Hampton Bays Long Island!
Cletes is what allows it to move.i would have flooded the joint,that lacing is pretty and all but not needed,box gutter seam yes flat lock no.if deck was 30ft or better than expansion joints can be added as with box gutters.
Frank admire tu trabajo amigo ,los tech is de cobre que yo ago y pa soldadura que aplicó es similar a la tulla por que yo estoy muy influenciado a ti, dice mostrándonos como lo haces hermano !
The thick layer of solder your laying isn't doing much. You should be heating the other side of the lap in order to draw the solder through the lock. You should concentrate the heat on lock side of the pan. Pretty work doesn't make it effective.
Looks like he already soldered it, he’s just applying the stitching for joint reinforcement. Thick stitching is preferred on roof sheathing which is expected to last decades.
Yeah, seems that most people making videos on this, don't know some of the basics. You don't want the iron centered on the edge of the panel when you're sweating. It needs to be centered directly on the fold. You shouldn't be trying to solder the seam to the panel, you should be trying to completely fill the seam, and the solder follows the irons heat. Proper sweating is more important than the (beautiful) stitching, which is not necessary here.
como te debe quedar el QUI entonces!! jejeje muy buen trabajo muchachos! voy a hacer una soldadura doble como la de usted pero con zink! Saludos desde Austria
why does it need to?.... if its truly sealed no water will be getting there and if he lives in a fair climate it wont freeze, and that roof doesnt look new, so i'm pretty sure it's already done most of its settling in.
Expansion joints would be made about every 10'-12'. If they did this right, the have cleats securing the metal pans, and the cleats should be able to move some, allowing some movement within the pan.
nice work on old school braiding solder,on a green copper roof a seal that last forever! think you should have the other guy just standing there within open torch kind of heating up the copper a little bit would help the application soak in better too! just sayin, I can understand what you're saying but NICE! check out www.alaskanwhetherguard.com
his bead probably wouldnt be so neat if he heated up the copper too, it would probably all just melty into a single ugly blob and soak into the cracks. just my 2 cents.
sam delapp they are side by side I am sure, that would explain why he goes and solders a big line down the center and then blobs on each side to make it look pretty and keep it together like a zipper wouls
This company just ripped-off their customer. (No pre- tin, no flat sim) Soldering iron should be chisel, not dead point. Also they just lay down flat sheets instead of panels, which means that they just nailed down the bottom sheet instead using the clips ( not allowing metal to shrink and expand when seasons change). I am tired of fixing jobs after companies like that. Untrained, incompetent, and using bullshit as 80% of their success ratio. Next year when you have leak on this roof, they will come back and smudge roof cement (karnak) or silicone all over this joins, an that if they come back, this company may not exist next year, so there goes your warranty.
Sound like a whiny bitch that probably bids and charges to much for how slow and lazy you are. Constantly Losing jobs to these guys probably keeps your drunken rants going all night long, then missing work recovering. Vicious circle. If all that is wrong, then you should be thanking them for keeping you in business doing repairs. Maybe don't talk shit to someone trying to help others out, constructive criticism is a better option for everyone. Or you make a video to show us the "right way".
Clips or nailed down is the same. Every copper sheet soldered together so will not help expanding and contraction. Fold copper sheet corner to corner creating a pyramid looking flat sheet.✌👍
Looks like he used panels but didn't close the seams properly, to my eye. Hopefully he used cleats and didn't directly nail. Definitely did not sweat those joints properly, but at least the stitching will look nice until it leaks.
fernand041 es normal. De tanto uso .... La " piedra " es de cobre cada vez que se haga como uña la punta hay que preparar así como lo hacen los que trabajan con acero..... otras personas solo la Lijan pero yo le caigo a golpe con el martillo. Es algo complicado porque el proceso se puede romper el pedazo de acero que conecta la piedra
That's not how you sweat a flat seam. The solder goes where ever the heat is. You have to put the iron on the fold to fill it. A lot of amateur metal workers don't know that and only put the iron on the edge of the fold, like in this video. The solder will not fill in every spot and will fail prematurely in places, and someone will have to go back over those joints. Also the stitching looks very nice, but is not really necessary on a flat seam roof.
No me convence tu soldadura yo soy soldador de arco de electrodo, actualmente estoy soldando hojas de cobre y la soldadura debe de penetrar y sacar el aire de el empate, también el cordón queda más seguro si se pone la boquilla a lo largo de la ranura derritiendo el estaño de forma uniforme.
I could watch this all day.
Those panels should be PRE TINNED to be correct.
You're not sweating the joint to make up for it. You're just creating an arch over seam. The joint isn't completely soldered.
Yo tengo 10 años trabajando con cobre y disfruto hacerlo,hago ese tipo de costureado y también con la piedra plana donde la llevas a fuego lento y le agregas plomo y solo la vas moviendo como media pulgada y va quedando muy bonita la soldadura y todo de la misma forma.
Good technique. Sweat and stitch. God.
"How to waste hundreds of pounds of solder to make a joint LOOK secure without actually being secure."
Yes I couldn’t understand the purpose of the dotted soldering? It must look good from satellite in outer space!
Viejos. Me avente tantos videos hasta k llegue al suyo muy muy chingon.
Me gusto la segunda soldadura por k creo k actua como una costura fuerte y la primera es penetrante.
Correcto. La primera es la más importante
Absolutely beautiful to watch!
Esta genial el trabajo .. lo voy a poner en práctica ..
If you're going to make and install these without pre tinning then go to a MAP gas torch and dont worry so much about a beautiful looking seam. At least you know you sweated it through the whole joint.
I've probably seen at least a handful of soldered copper sheets. but you sir have the best of the best.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume these guys are immigrants, and it is amazing how impressive these guys have had to become in order to make their way up in the new country. If they are not immigrants I am no less impressed by these skills and I am glad hard workers like these guys are doing what many others wouldn't do because it's "too hard" :)
DoingStupidStuff right we are immigrants from Ecuador..i arrived in this country at the age of 15 years old.. I have doing this job for many years and I liked. That because of that I try to learn every day more .... thank
Undocumented. As we are all immigrants
You know how go he is? Just watch him make it look easy, he is that good.
Finally someone that knows how to solder....keep up the good work ..looks almost as good as mine but damn your getting it.... I'm impressed....for all y'all so called metal men ..take notes and pay attention cause this guy can get it done ...no worries....
Sweat and lace.. I use dotting on chimney flashing, the dog ear to back pan, never seen that double dotting, looks pretty good.
Solder is a sealant, a great sealant, but a sealant none the less. The strength to hold pieces of metal together comes from that fold lock, or at times, I use steel pop rivets, like when I'm relining a box gutter. Your solder looks just fine, let's see some of that double dotting on some vertical seams...!!..
Keep the heat on it bendayho ! Nice puddles but they snap after the winter right down the whole seem because your laying them on top of the metal punk!and I have to solder over all your work! Metal Knotzi Hampton Bays Long Island!
Making it look easy!
It is fairly easy as long as copper is clean and dry.
Cletes is what allows it to move.i would have flooded the joint,that lacing is pretty and all but not needed,box gutter seam yes flat lock no.if deck was 30ft or better than expansion joints can be added as with box gutters.
Nice . Lead coated copper. I noticed you left some bare copper.
Thank you 🙌
Frank admire tu trabajo amigo ,los tech is de cobre que yo ago y pa soldadura que aplicó es similar a la tulla por que yo estoy muy influenciado a ti, dice mostrándonos como lo haces hermano !
Lol respect man. Your work is much nicer than mine!
REALROOFING I have seen some of your videos. I wish you would post more.
Very attractive seams. Much better looking than the usual ribbed reinforcing done with a hatchet iron. I'm doing mine like this!.
Top notch skill level . . . Quality!
Amazing! Thank you for a great tutorial! 👍🏼
that is beautiful workmanship.
The thick layer of solder your laying isn't doing much. You should be heating the other side of the lap in order to draw the solder through the lock. You should concentrate the heat on lock side of the pan. Pretty work doesn't make it effective.
Donnie S strong and effective. Do you have videos?? Show me how to soldering lead coated copper
Looks like he already soldered it, he’s just applying the stitching for joint reinforcement. Thick stitching is preferred on roof sheathing which is expected to last decades.
everybody that does copper knows this
these guys are awful, this is crap i gave to repair in 10 years instead of lasting one hundred
Yeah, seems that most people making videos on this, don't know some of the basics. You don't want the iron centered on the edge of the panel when you're sweating. It needs to be centered directly on the fold. You shouldn't be trying to solder the seam to the panel, you should be trying to completely fill the seam, and the solder follows the irons heat. Proper sweating is more important than the (beautiful) stitching, which is not necessary here.
Can you solder box gutters this way? Will it hold or is the stitch a better method? Great work by the way
Yes we can do that
Roof for life👏👏👏👍🏻👍🏻
Nadamas lo limpias con trapo o garra, o le quitas el residuo de ácido con agua ?
Hola. Solo nesecitas un trapo con agua para limpiar
nice work what it the tool you are using called thanks in advance
como te debe quedar el QUI entonces!! jejeje muy buen trabajo muchachos! voy a hacer una soldadura doble como la de usted pero con zink!
Saludos desde Austria
Saludos
Do you guys use zinc chloride to flux the joint. I have to do my guttering and haven't done this scale of soldering before. Thanks for your help.
I use Rubyfluid flux. Works very well. You can get it either online or at roofing suppliers.
Nice work
Craig Purcell thanks
Buen día. Que tipo de lamina y calibre, estos trabajos para que se asen cual es su funcion y porque soldarlos si hay muchos tipos de cokin
El coquin no dura aunque diga 55 años o de por vida en unos años ya está quebrandose
You can use US made Hexacon soldering iron and American Beauty iron for this work, they are very beefy and powerful 😀
Do you guys do the same with galvanized sheet metal?
Yes is possible
Qué es ése líquido que le aplicas? saludos
Lead
Good job, but that's twice the work. Drawing one 1" solid bead will work, get more done.
Awesome
What kind of tip is on your iron? Where can I find one?
Timothy Rose hello my friend. Ebay. 1 1/4 lb head for Duplex Acetylene Soldering Torch - Hado Aero replacement head.
What is the end on the torch called?
Aero Duplex Soldering Iron, 3/4 lb copper
@@frankch25 can you get them that attach to a plumbers torch?
@@kyegebb3735 nop. I don't think so
if you soldered all the roof sheets like that how does it expand IT CANT IT WILL END UP SPLITTING IN THE NEAR FUTURE FACT
why does it need to?.... if its truly sealed no water will be getting there and if he lives in a fair climate it wont freeze, and that roof doesnt look new, so i'm pretty sure it's already done most of its settling in.
Expansion joints would be made about every 10'-12'. If they did this right, the have cleats securing the metal pans, and the cleats should be able to move some, allowing some movement within the pan.
hello i am looking for a copper gutter welder great project its in lexington kentuky
Hi. How far away is kentuky from Connecticut? I have a big project in Missouri ( San Louis) starting in 2 weeks
Que tan grande es el trabajo ?
Dame tu número
nice work on old school braiding solder,on a green copper roof a seal that last forever! think you should have the other guy just standing there within open torch kind of heating up the copper a little bit would help the application soak in better too! just sayin, I can understand what you're saying but NICE! check out www.alaskanwhetherguard.com
his bead probably wouldnt be so neat if he heated up the copper too, it would probably all just melty into a single ugly blob and soak into the cracks. just my 2 cents.
Looks like he already soldered it, he’s just applying the stitching for joint reinforcement.
That is not good soldering one pass is enough more passes weaken the joint
👍👍👍👍👍🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
can't believe you ground of the lead to solder it with 50/50 lead tin solder OMG what a waste of labor time, and a bad seam connection.
Thanks for watching my channel. Let me see your videos soldering w/iron
Solder clearly not sweat all the way into the seam. Glad to see another person in this thread that recognized the lack of quality
are they laid atop eachother or side by side? it's hard to tell.
sam delapp they are side by side I am sure, that would explain why he goes and solders a big line down the center and then blobs on each side to make it look pretty and keep it together like a zipper wouls
weird wouldnt that be weak? solder isnt exactly the toughest shit around.
They are overlapped.
This company just ripped-off their customer. (No pre- tin, no flat sim) Soldering iron should be chisel, not dead point. Also they just lay down flat sheets instead of panels, which means that they just nailed down the bottom sheet instead using the clips ( not allowing metal to shrink and expand when seasons change). I am tired of fixing jobs after companies like that. Untrained, incompetent, and using bullshit as 80% of their success ratio. Next year when you have leak on this roof, they will come back and smudge roof cement (karnak) or silicone all over this joins, an that if they come back, this company may not exist next year, so there goes your warranty.
Sound like a whiny bitch that probably bids and charges to much for how slow and lazy you are. Constantly Losing jobs to these guys probably keeps your drunken rants going all night long, then missing work recovering. Vicious circle. If all that is wrong, then you should be thanking them for keeping you in business doing repairs. Maybe don't talk shit to someone trying to help others out, constructive criticism is a better option for everyone. Or you make a video to show us the "right way".
sounds like your prices are to high for your workmanship and are losing out to "incompetent" competition
@@kevinastudillo7443 I am just amazed when I see amateurs showing off their mistakes and getting positive feedback.
Clips or nailed down is the same. Every copper sheet soldered together so will not help expanding and contraction. Fold copper sheet corner to corner creating a pyramid looking flat sheet.✌👍
Looks like he used panels but didn't close the seams properly, to my eye. Hopefully he used cleats and didn't directly nail. Definitely did not sweat those joints properly, but at least the stitching will look nice until it leaks.
Eso no es verdad yo soy americano y si trabajo rápido y mejor que está
fernand041 completa tu comentario que no se que me tratas de decir
Que no es verdad que el ser americano quiere decir que debes trabajar despacio yo también soy americano de mexico y trabajo más rápido
Por cierto hay una razón porque la punta se derrite o es normal ?
fernand041 es normal. De tanto uso .... La " piedra " es de cobre cada vez que se haga como uña la punta hay que preparar así como lo hacen los que trabajan con acero..... otras personas solo la Lijan pero yo le caigo a golpe con el martillo. Es algo complicado porque el proceso se puede romper el pedazo de acero que conecta la piedra
frankch25 ya está vato gracias 👍🏿
Crsftsman!
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Thats a weak joint
That's not how you sweat a flat seam. The solder goes where ever the heat is. You have to put the iron on the fold to fill it. A lot of amateur metal workers don't know that and only put the iron on the edge of the fold, like in this video. The solder will not fill in every spot and will fail prematurely in places, and someone will have to go back over those joints. Also the stitching looks very nice, but is not really necessary on a flat seam roof.
Que feo soldas amigo
Que feo escribes. Y me imagino que hablas así de horrible. Tienes que ser centro Americano verdad ?
No me convence tu soldadura yo soy soldador de arco de electrodo, actualmente estoy soldando hojas de cobre y la soldadura debe de penetrar y sacar el aire de el empate, también el cordón queda más seguro si se pone la boquilla a lo largo de la ranura derritiendo el estaño de forma uniforme.
No veo vídeos tuyos soldando. Fuera bueno q subas vídeos soldando y ahí podemos hablar.....
Suelda con electrodo y opina sobre estaño xD