Full Frame, Why I prefer it over Crop.
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In this video I discuss the meaning and origin of the terms full frame and crop.
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Wow. This is an excellent explanation that I've never considered before! My X-T2 may not be a 35mm size sensor, but it's a "full frame" system because of the lenses designed for it. Ha! Makes perfect sense!
One of the best videos on photography I've seen. And I'm learning for 4+ years by now! Thanks!
It’s refreshing to hear a professional’s perspective on photographic comparisons that are ubiquitous throughout UA-cam. My first camera was a Nikon FE2 with two Nikon Series E 50mm and 105mm lenses. Later, I added a Sigma 100-300mm telephoto. I shot with this system for 25 years! It never occurred to me to ‘upgrade’ my camera or lenses. My skills today using a digital system are all based on the composition, lighting, and balance that are essential for any photograph regardless of the brand or sensor size.
Unreal explanations and so easy to understand for my 71 y/old brain. Thank you once again from Australia.
I'll have to memorize your explanation. I've had other photographers tell me for years that "you'll never get that great depth of field with that Fuji X-T2". Once I started using Capture One to read the sensor correctly things started to change. I debated whether to change to a larger sensor size. I skipped the X-T3, got the X-T4 to try before I made up my mind. The picture quality was better from the 1st shot I took. I haven't printed much of my work, but I have a 10 1/2 X 20, that the lab said I could go a lot larger, that you can't tell if it was the smaller sensor or not.Thanks so much
Thanks Joe, your camera is capable for the vast majority of needs, it’s horses for courses. Thanks for your time.
Hadn't thought of "crop" vs "Full-frame" in this way before. As a new photographer, this video has made me think of it all in a new light. Thanks for sharing!!
The best explanation that I’ve heard. You have a Sub from me. Loving your content.
I appreciate the sub, thanks for your time.
Thanks John - great video and makes complete sense! Learnt something new this Sunday morning!
Awesome, glad to hear.
Good stuff. This channel never let me down. Always look forward to your videos.👏🏿👏🏿
Thanks Fitz, glad to hear.
John, fantastic video with a balanced and accurate opinion. Please keep posting the videos as we love them! Many thanks from a fellow photographer 👍
Thanks Tim, glad you found the video useful. I’ll do my best, thanks for the support.
Enjoying these videos righting the ship of sensor size. I enjoy both full frame and crop bodies. Fun times indeed to be a photographer.
I shoot with Olympus since 10 Years and I really love the system. But many says that MFT is dead, olympus is dead and I decide to change my gear to FF. Canon R6. In my Work i shoot with a Fuji XT4 and I love the System how it is. And thats the Point many says FF is best.
Your explanation is great and I go now more outside to shoot with my Olympus Gear :-)
Well said John!!! All systems now available are capable of excellent photography work!!!
Cheers Sammy
Common sense isn't... especially when it comes to UA-cam photography videos - great video and really valuable perspective - I'm so tired of the "full frame" 35mm is best argument. Really looking forward to your X-T4 review and your Western Cape (route 62??) travel videos. Stay well!
Cheers Ian, haven’t yet sorted out which route I would take, but route 62 is certainly worth a look. Thanks
Superb John, keep up the great work and I hope all is well out there.
Thanks for your kind words Iain, I appreciate your time and comment. Cheers
You are a true Ambassador for Fujifilm
Thanks Steve, much appreciated.
I just stumbled across your channel earlier today looking for a review of the XF 16-80mm (which was superb by the way) and then saw this next on my playlist. This is an excellent video and one I will certainly refer people to when they have questions on the topic.
Thanks Gareth, glad you enjoyed.
Oneof the reasons I went to m4;3 around 2011. the MFT system was designed from a clean sheet of paper. The sensor and lenses were (fresh) designs to compliment(fit) each other and it was sharper corner to corner than "full frame" cameras of the day.
I agree "equivalence" is marketing hype. I love my first gen fuji xpro-1 and x100S for my personal shooting ..; but my "paying" work is all M4;3.
Interesting take on the subject. I don't think the advantages of physically larger sensors and what it takes to get the equivalent images they can produce at low light or wide open apertures can be totally ignored. But I do enjoy the compactness of my Fuji system compared to my Nikon FX system for everyday carrying around.
Thanks Bill, absolutely correct, it’s horses for courses and if there is an equivalent one cannot match with a smaller sensor and it’s important for the type of work one does, there is your reason to use a larger sensor. For me it’s as simple as that. Thanks your comment and time.
Great channel John and very interesting video. I love Fuji so much! Saludos desde Argentina.
Hello Argentina, thanks so much for your time and kind words, mantener bien.
thank you MAN.for your time sharing with/to us ✌🙂✌
interesting perspective. makes sense to me.
Thanks Thomas
Takes me back to "Photography as an Art Medium" when photo shop was a screen over the paper as you exposed the print, or a spray bottle full of developer... but it all comes down to learn your craft. Stop blaming the tools... learn your craft.
Anyway thanks for the video, good stuff!
Well said Lisa, thanks for your time.
If you photograph a painting that is 1x1 meter and you want to make a print the same size so that when you look at the print close up you see exactly the same as if you were looking at the painting you will need 100 mp. I think. Don't know. Stitching 4 or more photos together might be the way to go. But I don't know how to do that. Yet. I am thinking of keeping my paintings and just selling prints. There is some videos on youtube about this, but they are not very good. Even my little samsung EX1 can make beautiful pictures of nature, but as soon as I point it at a painting it falls apart. I have learned a lot by buying many used cameras cheap, but I might have to get one expensive.
Mind blown. When I read the title, I thought you had succumbed to click-bait (OMG he’s switching to fullframe) - but wow! I’ve been watching youtube photography vids and a keen amateur photographer myself for about 15 years now, and this was completely new to me. My first two cameras were smaller sensors - Canon 300D and then Nikon D7000. Because of the whole crop vs fullframe thing I bought an old, used D700 - which I never loved because the diopter couldn’t adjust far enough for my terrible eyes and it was VERY used :D. So I saved and went to a D750 which I loved and still miss for stills, but the alure of the exceptional video on the XT-3 pulled me to Fujifilm - and I’ve never fully understood why the XT3 didn’t feel like a ‘step down’ to me - I think this might shed some perspective on it. I’m not arguing that I don’t prefer the aesthetics of a 35mm camera, and I miss my d750 - but the fuji feels ‘different’, not ‘less’ - if that makes sense.
Exceptional chunk of knowledge, thanks - which I could double-subscribe.
Cheers Ruaan, much appreciated.
Great explanation.
Just came on your channel by chance and I have to say that this is an exceptional explanation of different film/sensor format systems and how they relate to lenses designed for those formats. I came from film also because that was all that existed - used a Rollei 35 and Hasselblad 6X6; would never think the Rollei 35 is a "cropped" version of the Hasselblad, nor that 35mm was standard format. That would have been laughable. Each system serves a purpose and both can make beautiful photographs. I still have both those cameras in addition to countless digital camera bodies I've gone though. I think for those who used film not because it's retro but because there was no other option the whole crop vs full-frame can see the misleading term "crop" for what it is. Great content mate!
Great to hear you enjoyed Sam, I appreciate your time and comment.
I think one of the reason why 35mm film camera was so popular is the balance between portable lens and image quality. While digital "full frame" dslr kinda lost it for a long time. At least until now hardly only apsc machine (also M43) are able to keep this balance to most of people.
Absolutely agree with this logic what confuses my is when other bloggers comment not just on the ff equiv in mm but they also adjust the aperture my understanding was that aperture is a result of a ratio between the opening in the lens sensor size etc my confusion is when the lens is actually made for that sensor size why then are you converting it to compare for example ands Nikon lens when put on a ff was not made for that ratio yet a dx on a dx was
I am now a fuji shooter and all Fuji lens and they are made for that system and my background blur reflect this
Thanks Michael for your comment. Aperture is the opening (entrance pupil) in ratio to the lenses focal length. The reason why many adjust aperture when comparing, is for equivalence. Because you are using different focal lengths and standing at different distances from the subject with the same aperture, when using either 35mm or APSC sensors, there is a difference in depth of field. It’s this difference that many use to explain why you should adjust the aperture on a smaller sensor. All it is, is an equivalence, not physical change. An aperture is a physical property of the lens. Thanks again.
Another brilliant video. I'm subscribed for sure!
Thank you Alie, I appreciate that.
I’m a new subscriber to your channel. Thank you for this explanation. I get tired of hearing how “cropped sensors” are more for beginners and all pros or serious photographers use “full frame”. I love my Xt2 and am happy with that system. Thank you for this video!
Glad to hear I could help Heidi, loving and enjoying your photography is what it’s all about and the XT2 is a capable camera. I used two XT2 bodies for two years on very important projects and they did the job very well. Thanks for your subscription and time.
I agree with equipment means nothing it's the art level of the photographer. I started at age six with my grandfather. I used film style cameras for years. I have been keeping a close eye on the magnificent Fujifilm x-t4 of which I will be getting. I have enjoyed your video and the time you put into it keep up the good work.
Thanks so much, I appreciate your comment.
This channel is pure gold 👏🏽
Cheers Pablo
This is a great video. The reason I changed to Fuji from Nikon to go ML was never based on the sensor size as Fuji is well known IQ, the size of the system, the pricing structure, support and the process of using it. I also wanted to get away from the big kit that wildlife photographers use. I want to produce different perspectives and use the creative simulations. After some time now using Fuji only, I feel liberated and have a new desire to shoot and make pictures and not spend time looking at the latest gear reviews and who is "winning" the mp wars, the eye detection AF wars, or the fps race. Fuji have all of those, and even better then most of the so called FF mirrorless systems. The world does not need more sharp pictures, it needs photographic art, carry less shoot more.
Thanks Jakes, great points, glad to hear you are enjoying your gear.
Very interesting. I want to switch to Fuji but all the talk about full frame Sony. I have a Sony a6400. The lens on apc are made for that sensors. I get it.
Thanks for your time and comment.
Interesting points, but the 35mm format (I am not going to call it full frame anymore!) still has a wider range of lenses with better and faster glass. If you want an equivalent depth of field AND field of view of a lens like a 35mm f1.4 of a 35mm camera, on an aps-c camera, you need a 23mm f1 lens on that system!!! So the main thing holding back the aps-c system, or even the medium format system is that there simply are not as many lenses, especially fast primes equivalent to those systems as there are for the 35mm system! For those who want extreme depth of field at a wider field of view, the 35mm format is still the best option, although the other systems are catching up! I recently discovered a Chinese lens manufacturer that makes a 35mm f0.95 for the aps-c (50mm f1.4 eq) systems and a 65mm f1.4 (50mm f1.2 eq!!!) for the medium format system!!! Very interesting lenses! I hope we see more lenses like these in the future to broaden the appeal of the other camera systems out there.
Nice video, and I enjoy your channel. I don't like the equivalence game at all. It assumes that the depth of field or field of view of 35mm sensors and lenses is somehow a standard, but I don't think it's helpful to my photography to pick up my X-T3 with a 35mm lens and think of it as equivalent to 50mm. "Full frame" is just a marketing term to get people gassed about buying more expensive sensors, IMO.
Thanks Matthew, I appreciate your kind words.
@They Caged Non Agreed. But even when I'm being a lunatic and carrying two setups with me, I still think of a 35mm on my Fuji APS as a 35mm lens that happens to have about a 39 degree field of view, whereas the 35mm on my Nikon "full frame" is a 35mm lens with about a 52 degree field of view. They are BOTH 35mm lenses, the one on the Fuji doesn't magically turn into a 50mm lens just because the horizontal angular field of view is different.
@@JohnArmstrongPhotography Cheers!
Spot on.
I have canon full frame and just purchased a Fuji XT3 as well to save on weight when Im not into carrying the heavy gear, I also shoot jepg on Fuji cameras and the amount of comment that gets is as bad as the full frame Vs crop rubbish. Fuji's jpegs are for me better than bothering with the RAW in 90% of cases. In Australia the term Crop is used in many cases as if its less of a camera which really is silly, they are just different
Thanks Julie for your comment, Fujifilm’s in camera JPEG’s are definitely one of their systems strong points.
I love my fuji but my budget is micro four thirds
I have a fotodiox addaper just picked up a canon 55-250mm for $100
Focus is very fast
excellent, thank you!
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Subscribed. Great content 💯
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Following the same analogy, you could say that Mobile phones sensors are relative to their lenses. Does it mean that we get the same quality? That's another discussion and again it's all relative to what purpose you have for your photography and the conditions you apply that purpose on.
Thanks for the comment and question. Yes the lens on a phones camera is built around the small sensor it uses. No you wouldn’t get anywhere near the image quality then that of a larger sensor, but excellent quality for a device that fits in your pocket, that 99% of people only ever use to take and store images digitally, not print. So it’s all relative. My medium format with larger sensor and my small format with smaller sensor, both have lens systems built for those sensor, the medium format has a higher image quality, allowing for larger print size if need be, the small format camera has great image quality, but is under half the weight and size of the medium format. You have got to decide what’s your end use for the image you take, what type of photography you are doing, your budget and what you are prepared to carry around weight wise, when deciding. Thanks
Great point of view and one of the best explanation video out there! The ending was perfect 😬Hope you're all right though!
PS: the video render was weird like you put a lot of negative dehaze. Is that a creative choice or a render/upload issue ? I'm curious ;-)
Thanks Reno, thanks for your comment and kind words. I shot this video just before heading off on a couple day shoot. I shot in office with very low light and didn’t want to push iso too hard. It wasn’t great, I had to raise the exposure a bit in post, as well as raise the shadows, which gives it the look you mentioned, not my intention, just me rushing as usual. I will look to improve on those final details as I put out more videos. I’m fine after my wipe out, thought I could grab my board while jumping, like in did 26 years ago on my skateboard. This old boy doesn’t have it anymore, but I did have a bruised ass to show for it.
John Armstrong Photography Tricky lightning conditions, I know that. But it was worth it! I just watched your Fuji Super Telephoto video, amazing shots 👏🏻 I live in the countryside and like to photograph my dog in nature. I had the 50-140 but found it to close or not close enough. That 100-400 is tempting! And for the 🏂 that’s sometimes the price to pay for having fun ;-) Thks for your feedback and for sharing.
Very 👍 well done. , I am coming from a medium format , beginning to love that Fujifilm. I have the xt3 so far I like what I’m getting. I have two lens, will like to get a third one and I like to get wide-angle I really wanted to be sharp every angles the money is not the problem. Do you have an idea? Thanks Luis
Thanks for the question. Fujifilm has a few wide options, all very good. Either the two primes, 14mm & 16mm or two zooms, 8-16mm & 10-24mm. The 16mm has excellent image quality and fast aperture, but not super wide. The 8-16mm 2.8 has excellent image quality, and is super wide. Hope this helps.
Is it true that the XT4 with a sensor of 26 megapixel has a pixel density of 39 megapixel full frame equivalent? Also, why can't Fujifilm create their own APS C system of focal length measurement for their lenses? For example, a 50mm APS C lens should have 50 mm lens written on it. One should not need to convert and get all confused. It is all this convertion from a 35mm sensor that gives the illusion that the 35mm based sensor system is the benchmark.
Because a 50mm lens is a 50mm lens no matter what system you build it for. It’s a physical property of the lens. What changes based on sensor size is the FOV (Field of View). So a 50mm lens on a full frame will have a FOV of 47 degrees. If you want to have the same FOV on an APSC Fuji camera, then yo need to use a 35mm lens.
Hey man! I like your take on this subject. There is usually this sentiment of full frame being more pro. But I think that is a bit outdated by now. As there are very good apc-c sensors and excellent lenses for that system. With legends like the sigma 18-35 f1.8 and the Fuji 56 f1.2. You have a new subscriber :)
Cheers Jaap, glad you enjoyed. Thanks for your comment and I appreciate you subscribing.
Include the Viltrox 13mm f1.4, great lens!
I prefer full-frame sensors but crop sensor camera bodies and crop sensor type lenses. 👍 For me the size, weight and cost win.
Excellent points. I wanted to expand on the notion of focal length being a physical property of a lens: while a 16mm lens on an aps-c sensor produces the FOV equivalent of a 24mm on a 35mm sensor, it is still in fact a 16mm lens; meaning it has the distortion and compression of a 16mm, which are not the same as a 24mm lens. Just something to think about. Cheers.
Thanks for the additional info Goran.
Exactly! That’s something that is missed when doing these conversions.
Language makes a difference. Sensor size is a much better description
Great !
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What are some of the advantages for APSC over 35mm?
Thanks for the question, unfortunately the comment section won’t allow for a full and detailed answer, but in short, ratio of quality to system size can be a advantage. This also depends on what lenses one decides to use. I went from using canon 35mm 1.4L, 50mm 1.2L, 85mm 1.2L & 135mm 2 to Fujifilms Xf 23mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4, 56mm 1.2 & 90mm 2. Many would say they aren’t equivalent because from a depth of field point of view, they are about 1 stop out and should be compared to slower lenses. The reality is that all those fujifilm lenses match the image quality of canon lenses at the very least, and are considerably lighter. They shouldn’t be compared to slower cheaper lenses on image quality. The hit rate on canons 85mm 1.2 is so low at 1.2, I always stopped it down a bit for quality and better focus accuracy. With the 56mm I can confidently and consistently shoot it wide open which negates any depth of field benefit. So again it depends on ones needs. thanks
I bought an X-T30.
Glad to hear, enjoy!
Its hilarious to see you struggling with the concept of crop. '' What is it cropping" you ask, its cropping the 35mm sensor which the industry made as a full frame equivalent of SLR film cameras used by hobbyist. It is important to note that only professional photographers bothered to use medium format film in the 70s/80s due to its higher quality but there where associated cost to produce them. Hence a 35mm film appeared to be the norm for most people. Anyways, in the UK an XT-4 Fuji is commonly referred to as a cropped sensor meaning its smaller than '35mm full frame. I have to say that Fuji XT series have finally caught up with full frame sensors in terms of quality so today the subject is almost meaningless.
Thanks for your time and comment. Glad to hear I kept you amused. In all the videos I’ve ever done, I think I put more disclaimers in this one, then any other. Case in point, “I understand if you call a 35mm sensor full frame and smaller sensors, crop sensors”. Possibly you are struggling to understand what I said? To address the second part of your comment, I used a medium format camera before I turned professional in the early 90’s and again in the video I said pretty much what you have said, 35mm was a good balance between cost and quality. And thirdly, just to point out, most of the world calls an APSC and smaller sensors, crop sensors, it’s not a UK or any other country thing, which is why I said, my view is in the minority. It was the marketing of these cameras that informed most of the world to use these terms, and most use them without any thought. The idea that the x series camera I use with an APSC sensor is somehow cropping a 35mm sensor as you stated, (which is not found in my camera) when the Fujifilm Xf lens is attached, is simply fallacious. Now if I mounted a Leica or Voigtlander M mount lens (like many photographers do) to my x-series, a lens which has been manufactured for 35mm film or sensor, then of course, my APSC x-series would be cropping. Thanks again, cheers.
Maybe the nomenclature is different in SA.. but in NA, GFX is not full frame.. it's medium format.. full frame is 35mm (ish).. Fuji don't make full frame.. Little hard to listen to the rest of the vid when you start with that.
I think this is the whole point of the video. At some point in time camera companies decided to call 35mm sensor "full frame", which is technically incorrect. A full frame system only means that the sensor covers the entire inside of the projected circle of the lens, this regardless of the sensor size. A crop system (or crop body) would be an APS-C sensor used with a lens that has a circle of projection for a 35mm sensor. Essentially most camera system are full frame. Does it make sense?
Thanks for your time and comment David. The nomenclature is the same in SA, I deliberately said what I did knowing full well what terms are used today. Not sure if you completed my video, but I do go on to explain what I meant. Just to point out a couple of things regarding the terminology in your comment. Format doesn’t describe a particular sensor size. There are many sensor sizes within a format range. For example 35mm and APSC are small format. The gfx and x fujifilm cameras have full frame coverage irrespective of sensor size. Thanks again.