A cheat sheet to defend Christianity, here's four questions for you... if you have faith, why do you need evidence to reaffirm your beliefs? Why is it that Christianity has adapted to function alongside science and not vice versa? Why did God create humanity, if in genesis he said he wished he never had? And, how did Moses write about his own death?
@MarkSeiler as a Christian I don't need evidence, The Bible is all the evidence I need. And what you said about science is the exact opposite science has to keep up with the revelations that the Bible told us about thousands of years ago but you probably didn't know that if you don't study the Bible.
@@davidfaumuina9866 ok there bud, you sound mentally challenged when you say things like that, but enjoy the indoctrinated thought process your church has instilled in you...
Actually, he's a child, and uninformed, and simply didn't know how to defend the position. Taoism absolutely does not call for inaction in all instances. It is about maintaining a homeostasis. When there is a threat, you act, and you never seek to cause undue harm. That is why a taosit would resist something like the Nazi movement.
The Dao means not to resist natural responsibility, except your circumstances and make the best decisions based on your circumstances. Nazis are not natural by any degree. He didn't exit the Dao because he didn't support Nazis. Alot people didn't pay attention.
Haha his energy actually did win. He's listening and contributing at the same time. Sometime he'll probably crush this attack, it's a tough principle they brought up. Flow with nature is right, but then sitting on a rock accepting flow is half. The other half is after understanding flow to co create without monster ego, which was Nazi
Taoism doesn't say "never resist" taoism is in essence finding the most successful way around an obstacle by adjusting yourself to the circumstance. Emulating the qualities of water. "You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle, you put water into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
How do determine what an obsticle is without knowing what you destination or goal is? What is the ultimate goal of Taoism? Person happiness? Selflessness? Immortality? Survival?
@@johnsmith2797 The point of the tao is nothing. There's no beginning or end, there's no set goal. Like nature has no goals, no final destination. It is just is... living in it natural form, whatever that might be. Goals assume destination, but daoist believe in something that would be similar to an interpretive dance: you're not going any where, there's no accomplishment after it, you dont exactly know where youd be during it. You dont care, the point of the dance is just dancing. "Obstacle" is what you want it to be innately that you want to overcome, if it something that you feel like it's not in your innate being, then dont bother with it
@@johnsmith2797 It seems like the most fascinating paradox of taoism, but the beautiful thing is that it isn't. We come into this universe as human animals and leave as defined egos. Every individual ego is different, molded from their upbringing, country, parents, culture. I could have been born to different parent and have a completely different ego and not be writing this comment, but here we are. So, to address question in the video: There is NO moral code in taoism. NONE. Every individual ego decides their own code which is molded from their ego as I described. The strength of our code is a testament to the strength of our spiritual self. Our dominance of our spiritual self over our animal duality. An animal would not light themselves on fire, and yet Thích Quảng Đức, a Buddhist monk, lit himself on fire in a town square in Vietnam to protest the governments oppression of his people. His code was like iron. Taoism is unique in that it refers to all of humanity regardless of their religious orientation. A Buddhist, priest, rabbi, or your local gas station clerk could be spiritually awakened. The Tao or the universe, is also unfair, chaotic, and random. It might take the life of an innocent child by a freak accident, murderers and rapists exist too. Bad people exist in the Tao, the point is that you must follow your own divine destiny in spite of the others whatever that may be. Peace to you John.
This speaker is ridiculous. If a burglar breaks into a Christian’s home and threatens his family, according to this speaker’s logic if he killed the burglar he would be breaking a major Christian rule and could no longer consider himself a Christian. Of course though, he wouldn’t apply his oversimplified logic to Christianity.
@@obscuremusictabs5927It wouldnt be a sin because youre protecting yourself and others. Thats why Jesus’ disciples carried a sword and were allowed to use it. Thats how a christian would defend it. In this context the one in the audience is ridiculous because he was trying to defend something he cant support. It was his burden to elaborate. Im not a christian btw.
@@lol-ot4pn But I’m going by the speakers oversimplified logic. If he were to oversimplify Christianity the way he did Taoism he would point to Thou Shall Not Kill and would just say “yup there it is. If you break this rule you aren’t a Christian”. He allowed no room for nuance when it came to Taoism so I’m just extending his lack of nuance to his hypothetical look at the scenario I described for a Christian.
@@obscuremusictabs5927 Correct me if im wrong but didnt the other person had every chance to say “no, its not as simple as that”?. He AGREED to the speaker. In those types of arguments you are supposed to consider that the other side literally doesnt know anything about what you believe, hence the questions. As far as the speaker knows, thats what taoism actually is. He didnt oversimplify. Hes just going by the information in the conversation.
The teachings of Lao Tzu would never conform to Nazis teachings. To go with it doesn't mean go with everything in a literal sense. It is to go with what is natural.
There is a bright heart in this young man. It was a disservice to discredit him and it is a credit to him for honestly responding to a strawman argument.
The dude failed because he didn't understand the deep meaning of Lao Tzu. Let's understand this with a simple example. If you get hungry, you won't just sit and wait for the death saying im going according to the universe. No, you will eat something. If you have no shelter, you will do something that can get you shelter. So, the meaning of "being one with the universe" means whatever situation the universe is giving to you, act accordingly but don't demand anything other than that. In that demanding, there is struggle, stress, anger etc etc & once you achieve that thing, you will demand for more & more. Which will create the habit of demanding and taking stress. It will also make you forget what satisfaction is, what happiness is. Becuase in stress / struggle, there is no satisfaction and happiness.
@@themanwhoknewtoomuch6667Also, scholars believe the philosophic ideas come from a much older oral tradition that Lao Tsu built upon and wrote down. There are even older Daoist texts that have been discovered.
Well said, I think the kid is still just a beginner, we all were at one point. He hasn’t reached the point where he can have intellectual debates about this stuff. I hope the ignorance of this old man didn’t throw him off to much. Because I think one of the biggest points of Taoism is throwing away the concept of ideas. Examples being: Good or Evil, Better or worse, useful or useless. That’s why the master leads by emptying people’s minds. I think both of them haven’t gotten there yet.
This video is a IQ test. If you think he lost you fail. If you think he won your in second place. First place is seeing there was no loser. This was cool
@@Burning_Babylon thanks for confirming that iq tests are based on completely arbitrary bs, concocted by self professed "geniuses" - confirmation bias in action.
One of the key concepts in Taoism is that of a boundaryless universe, at the highest level of which self and ego disappear. It is in fact impossible _not_ to go with the flow, since you yourself are part of the flow!
@@joshuakohlmann9731 So Hilter was a part of the universal flow? And communist leaders with legal sweat shops? There’s no moral standard here which is disturbing and I think the point the speaker is trying to make. Everything is justifiable because “they’re going with the flow”? And in this Taoist thought there’s no clear outline of what’s right and wrong. It’s about the self and what someone is feeling at the moment. It’s just wrong.
The younger man was a master of the practice of Daoism in this interaction. He used no resistance when he recognized his resistance would be fruitless.
I don’t know why anyone would engage with a person like this guy on stage. His arguments are not in good faith and nuance is lost on him. You can’t have a conversation with someone like this when they have an agenda; it’s a waste of breath.
The old man didn’t really care about what Daoism actually means or is about. He just wants to win an argument and “destroy” his opponent. That’s not a very intellectual attitude, but very American.
Well, the daoism presented by the young man was not actually daoism, it was the usual hippy-dippy "one with nature" spiritualism given a Chinese flavoring to feel exotic. Of which the old man has probably debated many times and is familiar with. He was right to poke holes in the young man's logic, else he'd continue to misrepresent daoist philosophy and do both social and academic damage to the practice as a whole.
@@MaitlandJoneshe's not damaging it by any means. The guys argument was terrible and predictable. The kid's still young and learning, don't be so dismissive.
The term “resist” is used differently in this scenario. The true daoist would not waist time and energy on complaining about the unfortunate situation they find themsleves in. Instead they would accept their circumstances fully, and look to put their energy in helping themselves and the people around them.
underrated comment. Debates where people don't even pay attention to the meaning of the words they use (or possibly obscure that on purpose) are worthless.
Exactly. Christianity and Islam are a scourge for humanity. So much ignorance and arrogance comes from the religious doctrines. “I’m right and you aren’t”
@@Swectorious He creates an extreme and prideful scenario that puts the kid on in a tight corner within the argument. Now in hindsight when taking into account the Word, it would be better for us to resist the Nazi's. But in the reality of it occurring, there are many factors that would be involved, which in this case it would actually be better to just go with the flow. There are no sides but the law.
@@SwectoriousI don't know if the kid fully understands taoism, or if he was just nervous and put on the spot. But defending yourself is also a part of nature, and taoism acknowledges that weapons are useful tools, but that war is a terrible thing and they should be used as last resorts.
He wasn't destroyed.. He was humble and it shows that his really in tune with his philosophy.. He accepted another person's opinion with grace.. He was in fact one with the tau
At the end of China's Song Dynasty, Kublai Khan invaded China. Taoist believers went down to earth to save people, but Buddhists in their heyday were indifferent. This can exactly explain the Taoist concept of "going up the mountain in prosperous times and returning in troubled times.
I’m a boomer and a lot of my fellow boomers are an embarrassment. We boomers don’t know everything just as every generation before us did not know everything. Boomers need to open their minds and listen much more. Wisdom can be learned from young people too.
@@easylife6348lmaoooo you trynna find a moral W somehow when your soyboy friend just got obliterated 😂 he wasn’t just “going along with it” he had no response… you could tell he was flustered
you can’t have a conversation with people who take everything you say so literal. he has to know it’s a retarded argument but just wanted to put an insecure kid on the spot to be right.
"You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee. The kid just become water, my friend.😎🤣
Daoism doesn't drop morals. Going with the flow of the universe does not mean going with the flow of the nazis. lol. If you are going with the flow, and the universe presents you with nazis, the flow may present you with other people resisting nazis or all the right information for you to be able to act upon to resist, to which is the path of least resistance for you to flow with. The flow of the universe doesn't disregard you, your life, your likes and dislikes, needs, beliefs, thoughts, and feelings. I've encountered this myself, actually. Sometimes the path of least resistance has been the path of most resistance for governments (ego and collective ego), attorneys, and boots in your face. If the government is trying to take away your humanity and very presence, the only choice left is to be so dang human and daoist, there is no other option left for them. The would rather weaponize their codes and statutes against my presence, so be it. I accept they may commit violence and even try to murder me for insisting on flowing with them as myself. There can be no other way.
A Straw Man argument is when someone takes what you are saying out of context and misrepresents it as weaker than it actually is. Then, they defeat the fake weak argument instead of addressing the real one.
100% and used Godwins Law right at the start. His use of the Nazis is so tired and stale "Lets take the worst group in history now if they were marching down your street...." what?
The man should learn from that kid, nothing but humility and honesty. Hate that kind of people, that want to go over others because they have a different idea of life. Such an arrogant and ignorant tone. He should learn to speak.
Really? Cause it seemed like a young kid who has been playful with what is a new idea to him (Taoism) was seeking clarification with someone who thinks differently and he realized he had never thought of the glaring counter example. Or perhaps the "Tao" is for him to listen to his elder and become a Christian? Would that not be out of the realm of possibility here?
The young man is intelligent. He doesn’t double down when confronted with a flaw in his logic or leaves in a huff as most do. He politely acknowledges it and no doubt puts more thought into his position.
@@lucioloco4062 A true Taoist would not in fact go with the Nazi party, Taoist people "Go with the flow" But are not morally fucked like that. It's about not resisting what life throws at you, i.e. not fighting the hardships that come, but instead seeing what you can learn from them.
For anyone who hasn't studied Tao, it discusses war and violence, it makes it clear that war is only the absolute last resort, being in defence and should only be committed with great sorrow and regret, with mourning for both sides, if war occurs, one side has not followed the Tao and you, like water forced into an ever tighter space, are still water. His question on whether he would resist a cruel war of aggression, there is nothing to resist if he did not commit and if he were to take up arms against it, he moves like water, the rock so hard may part water, but the water, in the end always finds its way.
Thanks for explaining. Sounds very interesting. I am Catholic myself. I love hearing about other religions. So cool. I think whatever way someone find God and bring structure and good morals into their life is absolutely beautiful
@@BIaZeDaSHeLL if only you could witness the things I've experienced and seen, sir. You are so wrong and I pray that God shows up for you in all the ways that He has for me. He's a good Father and He truly loves you.
@@BIaZeDaSHeLL dude that's not true I literally have a very clear picture of an angel on top of my Church steeple that I captured when I was 14, you have no idea what you're talking about, respectfully. I've literally experienced demonic haunting and doors being slammed right in front of me at 3 a.m. doing home healthcare when I wasn't following Christ. You've never experienced it maybe, but there's more to this world than the natural realm, I can promise you that 😇 And I've witnessed much more than this. Miracles sir, just seek it out, you can find this stuff easily if you're willing to let go of that death grip on your ideology. I say all of this respectfully, sir.
@jerkchickenblog old wise man said "so you are not a Taoist then?" Young wise man said "no, I guess not." Instead of defending himself being a Taoist, he went along with it. He didn't resist. He was soft and yielding, instead of stubborn and hard.
Tao te Ching Chapter 1 part 31 “Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them. Therefore followers of Tao never use them. The wise man prefers the left. The man of war prefers the right. Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools. He uses them only when he has no choice. Peace and quiet are dear to his heart, And victory no cause for rejoicing. If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing; If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.”
Exactly, as I understand it a Daoist approach to the Nazis would essentially be one of resistance in the sense that the error in thier ways is recognized but also non-violent and leading by example of how we should live. Much like Ghandi or MLK. The speaker at the event (don't know who he is) is right for discussing how various philosophies would approach the Nazis, but I think his mistake is he seems the type to say "without objective morality then people are just gonna do whatever they want and kill each other". People look for certainty and order and in trying to make sense of things we create these catagories and rules that aren't really there. Best book I've read on this particular issue is Simone de Beauvoir's "The Ethics of Ambiguity"
You butchered it to say the man of war prefers the right. This is a misleading translation. I will post the original. Fine weapons are implements of ill omen: people may despise them, so those with the Way do not dwell with them. Therefore the place of honor for the cultured is on the left, while the honored place for the martialist is on the right.
One of my favorite chapters. It acknowledges that "violence never solves anything" is BS in the absolute sense, but at the same time criticizes anyone that has a bloodlust or perverse joy in combat or war. It's a grave shame to fight because it leads to negative consequences for at least some parties no matter what. In general, it's always more fruitful to cooperate and live and let live, instead of trying to rule over others.
@@StateOfMind13 absolute morality comes from a higher power, if you want be my guest to do all the research you want but you’ll soon realize we have always had these morals. The difference is that people suppress them to get what they want.
The man with the glasses went so overboard so he can sustain his biases. I guess the guy with the long hair was right, he is a Daoist. Because he didn't resist the man's over-extreme ultimatum. He just went with it... The young man is the Dao.
Repent of your sins and believe on Adonai Jesus Christ, believe in your heart that He has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved. - Jesus the Christ loves you, praise YHWH our Elohim - Evidence for Jesus Christ’s existence, crucifixion, and disappearance from the tomb (He rose from it): The Lord Jesus Christ did exist, gathered disciples, and was crucified and went missing from the tomb. To argue about wether He was taken from the grave or rose from it, is an argument a skeptic can make. Because well if you disregard the eye witness testimony of the disciples and there willingness to die for Christ, and humans won’t die for something they know is a lie, when Peter is pinned upside down to that cross, he could have said that it was a fake, but He didn’t because it wasn’t, what care would he have about death in this world if he knew for a fact he had assurance of a life in another, Jesus Christ did rise from the tomb and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now the evidence for the Lord Jesus Christ’s existence really isn’t hard to find a multitude of non-Christian scholars and historians mention Him within 150 years after the time of His life. One such is Tacitus a Roman historian who reported on emperor nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed rome in 64 AD. Tacitus wrote: “Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…” In this Tacitus makes reference to not only Christians, but Christ calling Him Christus and confirming the Gospels going on to say that He suffered the extreme penalty (crucifixion) under the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilate, which like I said confirms the Gospels narrative. Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians: “They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food - but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.” This passage provides a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny's statement that hymns were sung to Christ, "as to a god", as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, "unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth." If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man. You may have heard of the scholar Flavius Josephus who mentioned James as being the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, which matches what Paul said calling James “The Lord’s brother” and there is another document that Josephus may have written which goes: “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.” Now it’s up to debate wether this is the entirely original document of what Josephus wrote, or if a Christian had edited it. But regardless he wrote about the Lord Jesus Christ. Wether it was negative or positive like the possible document is. Anyways there are many other statements, documents, letters, and writings of all sorts from the ancient world talking about the Lord Jesus Christ and there is not one question if He was a real person or if He was crucified and went missing from the grave. That is clear as day, He is a real person, was crucified, and went missing from the grave. And He did rise from the grave. And for more evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ, there’s the Bible and you see there is no evidence the Bible is corrupted, a lie, created by the Roman government, folktale. It is the recount of the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, now wether you want to believe it is up to you. And what profit was there in spreading Christianity, All the early Christian suffered persecution, beatings, and were killed. Another Scholar reported that James the Lord’s Brother was thrown off a building and then stoned to death for spreading the Gospel in Jerusalem. These people went to great lengths even giving their own lives for the Adon Jesus the Christ.
@@jasonbabilonia3037 Repent of your sins and believe on Adonai Jesus Christ, believe in your heart that He has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved. - Jesus the Christ loves you, praise YHWH our Elohim - Evidence for Jesus Christ’s existence, crucifixion, and disappearance from the tomb (He rose from it): The Lord Jesus Christ did exist, gathered disciples, and was crucified and went missing from the tomb. To argue about wether He was taken from the grave or rose from it, is an argument a skeptic can make. Because well if you disregard the eye witness testimony of the disciples and there willingness to die for Christ, and humans won’t die for something they know is a lie, when Peter is pinned upside down to that cross, he could have said that it was a fake, but He didn’t because it wasn’t, what care would he have about death in this world if he knew for a fact he had assurance of a life in another, Jesus Christ did rise from the tomb and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now the evidence for the Lord Jesus Christ’s existence really isn’t hard to find a multitude of non-Christian scholars and historians mention Him within 150 years after the time of His life. One such is Tacitus a Roman historian who reported on emperor nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed rome in 64 AD. Tacitus wrote: “Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…” In this Tacitus makes reference to not only Christians, but Christ calling Him Christus and confirming the Gospels going on to say that He suffered the extreme penalty (crucifixion) under the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilate, which like I said confirms the Gospels narrative. Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians: “They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food - but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.” This passage provides a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny's statement that hymns were sung to Christ, "as to a god", as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, "unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth." If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man. You may have heard of the scholar Flavius Josephus who mentioned James as being the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, which matches what Paul said calling James “The Lord’s brother” and there is another document that Josephus may have written which goes: “About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.” Now it’s up to debate wether this is the entirely original document of what Josephus wrote, or if a Christian had edited it. But regardless he wrote about the Lord Jesus Christ. Wether it was negative or positive like the possible document is. Anyways there are many other statements, documents, letters, and writings of all sorts from the ancient world talking about the Lord Jesus Christ and there is not one question if He was a real person or if He was crucified and went missing from the grave. That is clear as day, He is a real person, was crucified, and went missing from the grave. And He did rise from the grave. And for more evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ, there’s the Bible and you see there is no evidence the Bible is corrupted, a lie, created by the Roman government, folktale. It is the recount of the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, now wether you want to believe it is up to you. And what profit was there in spreading Christianity, All the early Christian suffered persecution, beatings, and were killed. Another Scholar reported that James the Lord’s Brother was thrown off a building and then stoned to death for spreading the Gospel in Jerusalem. These people went to great lengths even giving their own lives for the Adon Jesus the Christ.
I don’t think the kid knows enough about Taoism to really make an argument for it, being in flow is more like finding a way round your problems rather than resisting them straight on. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a Taoist would go along with the holocaust.
Right, the speaker was actually really dismissive with this example. If you think about it, genocide is AGAINST Tao, and violence is completely appropriate as a LAST resort.
Exactly, considering Taoism is also so deeply connected to martial arts it’s safe to assume that they had a last resort in mind. I don’t disagree with any of the speakers beliefs but I think if he had someone come on that is well educated in the philosophy then they would find that they mostly agree.
@@khalarete2188 He did, but only part of, there're always two forces (yin/yang) opposite to but at the same time complete each other, I guess that's what the symbol of tao means, nature.
Tao Te Ching Verse 32: Even the finest warrior is defeated when he goes against natural law. By his own hand he is doomed and all creatures are likely to despise him One who knows the tao never turns from life's calling. When at home he honors the side of rest. When at war he honors the side of action. Peace and tranquility are what he holds most dear so he does not obtain weapons, But when their use is unavoidable he employs them with fortitude and zeal. Do not flaunt your excellence. Do not rejoice over victory. With the loss of others, weep with sorrow and grief. After winning a battle do not celebrate, observe the rites of a funeral. One who is bound to action, proud of victory, and delights in the misfortune of others will never gain a thing from this world below heaven
@gussafara thank you, I strive to come back to reading the book after months of development, & each time find a deeper understanding that I didn't prior recognize My kitten suddenly passed away last month and the tao taught me to trust the path; so I turned the tragedy into gifts & since then have become receptive to hearing/speaking to her, which in turn has opened me up to connecting with the spirit realm, which doubled me down on appreciating & trusting life's flow - easing my military/childhood PTSD mind and manifesting a more loving/understanding relationship with my dog, strangers, & even those who capitulate climate/socioeconomic/patriarchal disaster We are all doing the best we can with our limited consciousness at hand, so my most effective mental health treatment as a social revolutionary was to simultaneously speak up when I feel called, but make peace with the potential probability of earth's 6th mass extinction exacerbated by the hands of those led into greed by their unconscious minds If we might all die tomorrow, I'll do what I can to stop it. If we will all die tomorrow, I'll make peace with it & envision what fractals of consciousness we will next reincarnate as
@BS-cc4ks what a silly thing to say, what horrific event happened before the rise of mankind? Who's to judge what is or isn't horrific? Is it horrific for predator to hunt prey in the wild? What if the prey was a plant? Or the hunter a plant, prey a drop of water, sunray, or soil nutrient? What if the prey was thousands of cattle caged & fattened for slaughter by predators that don't care to learn where their steak dinner came from? If we're going to apply polarity of horrific, I'd call it horrific the actions of mankind to separate themselves from the natural hunt to instead strive for money while deeming earth as just resources How many resources were extracted from earth by impoverished hands just to create your phone?
@@ranewanders8147 Well put. I can't relate to the Military PTSD but in the past year alone I have lost a friend who was like a brother to me, one of my uni friends passed away and we were at bad terms and he needed help but I did not comply, family went broke couldn't afford law school despite being in my final year, lost my father, and had to break up with my girlfriend who I was supposed to marry all while at 22. I hadn't smiled for a few months after all that happened. It's been the toughest year and I think moving forward nothing will ever be as hard as this year for me. But I have also never been so content with myself, spiritually awakened, or even this motivated. All i need is my degree to set myself up again or any opportunity. But Daoism and many other things have kept me standing, providing for my family in any means necessary. I just say keep fighting the good fight brother, and I am sure one day we will have our solace.
miyamoto musashi, was pretty much a taoist, yet, he was the best samurai and killed several people. Taoism is about accepting what is before you, whether you want it or not. You dont want to cause harm, but you understand that existence has its own plan.
I don’t think he even bothered to listen to the boy and actually answer. He just flipped it immediately and turned it to his advantage. If one is to have an actual religious discussion one has to go into it honestly. If not then it’s just a debate to win- and it defeats the purpose of understanding… so in this case this man is showing what his religion is really about - enforcement.
@salvas7376 Then I ask you, why are religions forced upon people? I’ll tell you why, because they aren’t meant to be. It’s a trick question. As Christians, we want another person to understand our beliefs because we want to save them from hell, realize what Jesus has done for them, and also because it’s part of the Great Commission. However, I would also say a lot of Christians are too forceful, for example the old kings and queens of England who either influenced Catholic or Protestant beliefs. This makes a religion seem to forceful, but that’s not the point.
@@History101-lm3pp I understand 1st they evangelicals are the biggest preachers of hell. So he as a Taoist would actually understand what Jesus has done for us and that was to bring actual liberation (huge word) now to save Ilya from the hell we ourselves as a group and individuals create . Now the basic hell of evangelicals … the one where a huge majority of the population they had ever existed… and were there is eternal damnation… but hey is either created by the Gospel you believe which is extremely cruel of a savior (not savior at this point) or he has an equally powerful opposite The devil. Looking at Jesus story through the eyes of Taoism, Buddhism and other Easter religions makes he more of a liberator then through evangelical type of Christianity and all those they believe in eternal Dalmatian in a painful hell. It also quickly shows the foolishness of this eternal punisher because it means he is creating humans to then tanto them and send most of them to punishment. What a waste 1st and what a cruel masochist 2nd.
When a superior person hears of the Tao, they immediately begin to embody it. When an average person hears of the Tao, they half believe it, half doubt it. When a foolish person hears of the Tao, they laugh out loud. If they didn’t laugh, it wouldn’t be the Tao
Flow with the universe within you, the real you, dont resist your own life force. Thats not about outside forces or nazi jews or nazi germans.If you want to resist outside forces then resist, if you dont want then dont, so simple. Ignorant man's ignorant question in the video.
@@CoryFPS No seriously...what is 2/3 of the population suddenly concluded that it is morally right and necessary to murder the other 1/3 of the population! Would you flow with them???
You can "accept" things that happen to you and still resist a fascist regime. It's called the reverse clause in some cases and it's being able to accept things that are out of your control but still understand the importance of ones own preservation and values.
@@Gh0zT-777 objectively wrong by all historical standards. “National socialist” was just a title for the purposes of propaganda/marketing. Socialism was popular at the time with the working class which were at target market for the party, so they went with that. In practice, there was little-to-no socialism going on in Nazi Germany. Just authoritarian nationalism, which is fascism.
yeah, as sb pointed out in the comments above, the old man took one meaning of the word 'resist' and used it in another : ) On purpose, I guess? A complete misrepresentation of the original idea, and no wonder it took the younger guy by surprise
It is nice to see someone intellectually honest and admit that they haven't fully thought things through. So many argue just to argue even when clearly wrong. What this kid displayed was a mind OPEN TO CHANGE. A very high state of wisdom.
He's a young kid. He's exploring. He's far from being able to answer any life sized philosophical question. The question he was asked is irrelevant and designed to make him feel foolish and make the questioner look like he's wise, but he's just a smartass, nothing more. They both cancel each other out.
Resistance and conflict are parts of human nature. If you are inspired to stand up for something or join a cause, you are still following the Tao. This young man was touched by Taoism but forgot that nature is not necessarily peaceful. Protection of, and service to others is essential.
The old dude proved nothing. Daoism is a way that seeks harmony and peaceful existence within the natural order of the universe. Nazism is a human engineered way that leads to conflict, strife, and war. A Daoist sees war as a disruption in the natural patterns of the world. A Daoist believes that perserving life is morally right and killing is morally wrong. A Daoist believes that employing war for political gain is wrong because it will inflict pain and suffering on the people and on the rulers. When faced with something like the rise of Nazism, I would think that a Daoist would try to assist others and help them escape deep into nature or flee the country in an effort to avoid all conflict, strife, war, suffering and oppression. The kid's answer was just wrong. A Daoist would neither go along with the conflict ridden philosophy of Nazism nor would they physically battle or fight against it because they are pacifists. They would choose a path that they believe aligns with the natural order of peaceful existence in the universe. They would either stay and try to help others in their community avoid greater pain, suffering, and death, or they would attempt to lead others to safety and avoid the conflict completely You can still go with the flow in a river without becoming a part of the river or crashing against the rocks or totally ignoring others who are drowning in the river. Even in a raging, powerful river, there's more than just one way to go. There are many smaller currents, eddies and calm places. Daoism accentuates the idea of compassionate living and taking responsibility toward the well-being of others seriously. Daoists feel that they have a duty to help others who are in need. Under a Nazi regime, a Daoist would most likely become a fugitive, and take on a service roll as a guide, teacher, caregiver or medical aide, assisting other people along the way, or the Daoist would be imprisoned or killed for staying in the Nazi occupied area and aiding and helping others who are in need. They would neither join nor fight the Nazis. They might also join the resistance, but only as an aid to those who are suffering. They wouldn't want to become soldier in the resistance.
@MaureenJonesSmithArts I'm not sure what I did, but you're very welcome. 🙂 BTW, I re-read my post and found some errors and few better ways to word my argument. It's still a bit repetitive, but I'm just a Dudeist. I'm not some expert on Daoism. I dabble.
I get what you're saying, but he literally said No, he would not go with the flow and then agreed he likely isnt a daoist or w.e because his daoist stance did not stand up to pressure
I wonder if the man trying to impose his will on the younger man has ever read the Tao te Ching. Based on his actions I’m inclined to think he has not. Anyone saying the younger man was ‘wrong’ who hasn’t studied the Tao is not offering any valuable contribution here.
The speaker is the Christian Frank Turek and he's known for lying. Both here don't understand Taoism, which had a huge impact on Chinese military history -- even Sun Tzu stated that the ideal general is an enlightened Taoism master. The young guy was naive in thinking that a Christian, which is impelled by his scripture to convert others, would have his best interests in mind. Nevermind that the Bible condones perpetual slavery, even of children, and the killing of unbelievers -- nor that the Cath Church were the biggest supporters of Nazi Germany. The Christian spotted a gullible young man and grabbed him. Interestingly enough, the ancient Greek Celsus spoke about this when observing the earliest Christians preaching: they would only go for the ignorant and disabled and throughly avoided the bright and learned because those were anathema to their BS.
These fellows have an inherent bias to prove christianity as great. Tao is he greatest standpoint. There have even been warriors who were disciples of Lao Tzu. It is a receptive approach to life. If some want to oppress another, they are unnatural, mentally pathological, anti-life. Tao is not supporting any anti-life pathological behavior. Humans have to rise higher in their humanity More humane. Gentle, fearless, serene, spontaneous and responsive. Capable of fighting and protecting ur dignity and freedom when required. Tao is not even against science. Christianity was never a friend to science. The renaissance was a rebellion against christianity. All the tech, scientific knowledge, and social equality and rights are works of those who ventured to explore truth and creativity. Not by some religion telling them 'this is how it is' Busshism could merge with Tao to give birth to Zen. Zen is a freedom to explore, to quest, to rebel, to be creative, natural, serene, gentle and loving. Just live as alert, mindful in each moment, committed to ur act. Self aware. And vibe with those who also create a life as such. Relax. Accept ur body. Observe life. Respect the life thriving in this vst universe. Live simple. Light hearted. Contribute to the world with ur intelligence, abilities, ur humane qualities. Religions as such, especially the politically charged ones today, have no such contribution, no such standpoint.
People join and quit beliefs all the time. Wikipedia: "In Taoism, the Tao is the source of everything and the ultimate principle underlying reality.Taoism teaches about the various disciplines for achieving perfection through self-cultivation. This can be done through the use of Taoist techniques and by becoming one with the unplanned rhythms of the all, called "the way" or "Tao". Taoist ethics vary depending on the particular school, but in general tend to emphasize wu wei (action without intention), naturalness, simplicity, spontaneity and the Three Treasures: 慈, compassion, 儉, frugality and 不敢爲天下先, humility." What's wrong with that?
"So, what I understood is that, being a TAO, you try to handle the situation the best you could based on the knowledge that you have acquired. But you do not resist the outcome, as results are not in your control. Sometimes the outcome will be as per your expectations, but sometimes they will not be as per your expectations. However, you just accept it wholeheartedly and hence remain calm and peaceful, keeping your heart at ease."
Im a Christian and I actually think I'm more on the side of the kid, rather than the Christian. But clearly the young man didn't make a good argument and either doesn't quite understand or he felt pressured to not be labelled a nazi sympathiser. War/conflict is an inevitable part of life. To be part of it and embrace it is going with the flow.
The dàojiā way would be to not end up in war. If that's not possible, then to win without fighting. If that's not possible, then to win with as little harm to people as plausible. Though not strictly Taoist, Sūnzǐ's Art of War would be the closest thing to a dàojiā manual on warfare.
Does this mean that Taoism is never arguing or even explaining your views very well? Cause it sounds like like not even bothering to show up would have been more "Tao".
Taoism is about the path of *least* resistance. So it means you evaluate a situation and adapt to the path that takes the least amount of struggling and torment. If the nazis were invading the US, and you chose *not* to fight, the rest of your life under Nazi facist rule would be a lot more troublesome than defending your homeland, therefore ultimately the path of least resistance would be to defend yourself, when put between a rock and a hard place.
Uhhhh that counter argument didnt even align with what the kid said. "To be one with nature, go with the flow of the universe".... who said the nazis were doaists? This is literally the strawman argument. Whats actually sad is how many people in the comments also didnt catch this. I dont blame the kid he was the one on the spot but you all had all the time in the world to think about how you wanted to comment. Smh
You’re the one arguing a straw man no one said the Nazis were Daoists. When asked about Daoism’s moral standard, the kid said “don’t resist anything”. Turek then mentioned the Nazis because there’s no way someone in their right mind would not resist an enemy invasion.
@@jeremyjean-pierre4977 so you're saying there no such thing as an actual Taoist? That's makes it kinda weird the thing even exists in the first place huh? The best part about this is the nazis aren't a force of a nature are they. What was the whole thing again or right to be one with nature not anti semitism
Sun Tzu was a Taoist. The philosophy isn't "what should I do in every (im)practical situation", but how to view the flow of the universe and its inhabitants.
The term “resist” is used differently in this scenario. The true Daoist would not waste time and energy on complaining about the unfortunate situation they find themselves in. Instead they would accept their circumstances fully, and look to put their energy in helping themselves and the people around them. In fact they would even go to war to protect their land Daoism is like cutting wood according to the grain. Even in war there is a particular "grain" When hungry eat. When thirsty drink. When tired sleep. When in war..........
I hate this. The kid simply can't defend daoist philosophy. Its absolutely beautiful, and it doesn't have the arrogant, militant judgement of unearned moral superiority of his version of Christianity.
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@MarkSeiler as a Christian I don't need evidence, The Bible is all the evidence I need. And what you said about science is the exact opposite science has to keep up with the revelations that the Bible told us about thousands of years ago but you probably didn't know that if you don't study the Bible.
@@davidfaumuina9866 ok there bud, you sound mentally challenged when you say things like that, but enjoy the indoctrinated thought process your church has instilled in you...
😂😂😂 just go with it
He literally went with the flow and didn't resist the argument. He just went with it. He's just bamboozled us, he's actually the ultimate Daoist.
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My goodness you know far too much. Love this daoist humour 😅
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I like how he ironically proved his point by not defending himself when he realized it wasn’t worth it
Whoa I fckn missed that
Actually, he's a child, and uninformed, and simply didn't know how to defend the position. Taoism absolutely does not call for inaction in all instances. It is about maintaining a homeostasis. When there is a threat, you act, and you never seek to cause undue harm. That is why a taosit would resist something like the Nazi movement.
@@Geminisity Dao is not a deed. It just happened and he did. That's it. Over and out.
@@positivity5886 Nah.
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He didn't _leave_ Daoism, he just...went with it.
like taoist would do
The Dao means not to resist natural responsibility, except your circumstances and make the best decisions based on your circumstances.
Nazis are not natural by any degree. He didn't exit the Dao because he didn't support Nazis. Alot people didn't pay attention.
Haha yes
As it is said, the Tao is that which you cannot escape lol
he did not resist
homie actually won the argument
Haha his energy actually did win. He's listening and contributing at the same time. Sometime he'll probably crush this attack, it's a tough principle they brought up. Flow with nature is right, but then sitting on a rock accepting flow is half. The other half is after understanding flow to co create without monster ego, which was Nazi
Taoism doesn't say "never resist" taoism is in essence finding the most successful way around an obstacle by adjusting yourself to the circumstance. Emulating the qualities of water. "You put water into a bottle it becomes the bottle, you put water into a teapot it becomes the teapot. Be water my friend" - Bruce Lee
Exactly, the answer he gave is correct according to the teachings because one would naturally defend his home
Thank you. With an understanding of Taoism it’s difficult for me to understand how people genuinely think this is a “gotcha”.
How do determine what an obsticle is without knowing what you destination or goal is? What is the ultimate goal of Taoism? Person happiness? Selflessness? Immortality? Survival?
@@johnsmith2797 The point of the tao is nothing. There's no beginning or end, there's no set goal. Like nature has no goals, no final destination. It is just is... living in it natural form, whatever that might be.
Goals assume destination, but daoist believe in something that would be similar to an interpretive dance: you're not going any where, there's no accomplishment after it, you dont exactly know where youd be during it. You dont care, the point of the dance is just dancing. "Obstacle" is what you want it to be innately that you want to overcome, if it something that you feel like it's not in your innate being, then dont bother with it
@@johnsmith2797 It seems like the most fascinating paradox of taoism, but the beautiful thing is that it isn't. We come into this universe as human animals and leave as defined egos. Every individual ego is different, molded from their upbringing, country, parents, culture. I could have been born to different parent and have a completely different ego and not be writing this comment, but here we are. So, to address question in the video: There is NO moral code in taoism. NONE. Every individual ego decides their own code which is molded from their ego as I described. The strength of our code is a testament to the strength of our spiritual self. Our dominance of our spiritual self over our animal duality. An animal would not light themselves on fire, and yet Thích Quảng Đức, a Buddhist monk, lit himself on fire in a town square in Vietnam to protest the governments oppression of his people. His code was like iron. Taoism is unique in that it refers to all of humanity regardless of their religious orientation. A Buddhist, priest, rabbi, or your local gas station clerk could be spiritually awakened. The Tao or the universe, is also unfair, chaotic, and random. It might take the life of an innocent child by a freak accident, murderers and rapists exist too. Bad people exist in the Tao, the point is that you must follow your own divine destiny in spite of the others whatever that may be. Peace to you John.
That kid seems actually open minded. He didn't have to cuss the speaker out or ad hom him. He took it in stride and went about his day.
@The Apple Of Judgement oh I'm aware, but the societal standard is only lowered each day. It's a shame.
@The Apple Of Judgement amen brother
This is what our country needs. Different opinions, come together to peacefully discuss their views.
Ironically he instantly went with the flow of the speaker.
That’s woman look hands
This is one of the coolest kids I’ve ever seen. He is truly just being curious, and not worried so much about “owning” someone in debate.
He won
He actually OWNED the Old guy
It’s sort of like what Dostoyevskys “the idiots” about
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He answered honestly not emotionally. No ego just being at peace with oneself. I bet he sleeps like a log
Believe it or not, this kid is following the tao with his answer.
No he isn't
This speaker is ridiculous. If a burglar breaks into a Christian’s home and threatens his family, according to this speaker’s logic if he killed the burglar he would be breaking a major Christian rule and could no longer consider himself a Christian. Of course though, he wouldn’t apply his oversimplified logic to Christianity.
@@obscuremusictabs5927It wouldnt be a sin because youre protecting yourself and others. Thats why Jesus’ disciples carried a sword and were allowed to use it. Thats how a christian would defend it.
In this context the one in the audience is ridiculous because he was trying to defend something he cant support. It was his burden to elaborate.
Im not a christian btw.
@@lol-ot4pn But I’m going by the speakers oversimplified logic. If he were to oversimplify Christianity the way he did Taoism he would point to Thou Shall Not Kill and would just say “yup there it is. If you break this rule you aren’t a Christian”. He allowed no room for nuance when it came to Taoism so I’m just extending his lack of nuance to his hypothetical look at the scenario I described for a Christian.
@@obscuremusictabs5927 Correct me if im wrong but didnt the other person had every chance to say “no, its not as simple as that”?.
He AGREED to the speaker.
In those types of arguments you are supposed to consider that the other side literally doesnt know anything about what you believe, hence the questions.
As far as the speaker knows, thats what taoism actually is.
He didnt oversimplify.
Hes just going by the information in the conversation.
Well i guess he is a Daoist, he went with the flow.
Pretty clever
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Yes. Another point of view. Someone says: "Kill nazis!" He says: "Yes, why not!" Go with the flow..
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The teachings of Lao Tzu would never conform to Nazis teachings. To go with it doesn't mean go with everything in a literal sense. It is to go with what is natural.
According to what
biology?
@@agingbach4351 According to what is societally beneficial. Nazis aren't societally beneficial.
@@agingbach4351 If you resist biology then you will be very sad to know that, as a biological being, you couldn't exist.
What is natural?
And it is natural to defend yourself
At least the young man had the integrity to be honest.
Right!
Yeah God bless him
Hope we will accept the truth I he sees it
Shame that Hovind doesn't have that capacity.
The honest non-confrontational dialogue in this clip is refreshing.
There is a bright heart in this young man. It was a disservice to discredit him and it is a credit to him for honestly responding to a strawman argument.
Yes! It felt so gross at the end and I couldn’t put my finger on it, but you described it beautifully.
The dude failed because he didn't understand the deep meaning of Lao Tzu. Let's understand this with a simple example. If you get hungry, you won't just sit and wait for the death saying im going according to the universe. No, you will eat something. If you have no shelter, you will do something that can get you shelter. So, the meaning of "being one with the universe" means whatever situation the universe is giving to you, act accordingly but don't demand anything other than that. In that demanding, there is struggle, stress, anger etc etc & once you achieve that thing, you will demand for more & more. Which will create the habit of demanding and taking stress. It will also make you forget what satisfaction is, what happiness is. Becuase in stress / struggle, there is no satisfaction and happiness.
Also the alleged Lao Tsu also penned his treatise as a guidance for king or ruler where there were lot of warring states during that time in China.
@@themanwhoknewtoomuch6667Also, scholars believe the philosophic ideas come from a much older oral tradition that Lao Tsu built upon and wrote down. There are even older Daoist texts that have been discovered.
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Well said, I think the kid is still just a beginner, we all were at one point. He hasn’t reached the point where he can have intellectual debates about this stuff. I hope the ignorance of this old man didn’t throw him off to much. Because I think one of the biggest points of Taoism is throwing away the concept of ideas. Examples being: Good or Evil, Better or worse, useful or useless. That’s why the master leads by emptying people’s minds. I think both of them haven’t gotten there yet.
@@jvlamakulering1690always have beginner mind. Follow the child. When you think you know, you know nothing.
yeah the kid definitely comes out on top here. Not engaging in a pissing contest is exactly how one wins a pissing contest.
Was that supposed to sound clever?
Is that what's important in life, to appear clever? No, I don't think so. The speaker isn't trying to have a good faith discussion or debate.
Naruto does
This video is a IQ test. If you think he lost you fail. If you think he won your in second place. First place is seeing there was no loser. This was cool
@@Burning_Babylon thanks for confirming that iq tests are based on completely arbitrary bs, concocted by self professed "geniuses" - confirmation bias in action.
This kid is a Taoist in motion, whether he realizes it or not. Went with the flow. Everyone needs more Taoist teaching.
One of the key concepts in Taoism is that of a boundaryless universe, at the highest level of which self and ego disappear. It is in fact impossible _not_ to go with the flow, since you yourself are part of the flow!
Good kid by the sound of it
This isn’t Taoism though. This is just accepting a new idea when you’re presented with new information. Which is a natural thing humans do.
@@joshuakohlmann9731 So Hilter was a part of the universal flow? And communist leaders with legal sweat shops?
There’s no moral standard here which is disturbing and I think the point the speaker is trying to make. Everything is justifiable because “they’re going with the flow”?
And in this Taoist thought there’s no clear outline of what’s right and wrong. It’s about the self and what someone is feeling at the moment. It’s just wrong.
@@sweetxjc Taoism teaches to "be like water" formless and flexible. An open mind willing to accept new ideas follows this principle.
The younger man was a master of the practice of Daoism in this interaction. He used no resistance when he recognized his resistance would be fruitless.
I like your comment, but I disagree at the same time. I don’t think that Taoism can be summed up in such simplified terms as never resisting anything.
I don’t know why anyone would engage with a person like this guy on stage. His arguments are not in good faith and nuance is lost on him. You can’t have a conversation with someone like this when they have an agenda; it’s a waste of breath.
The old man didn’t really care about what Daoism actually means or is about. He just wants to win an argument and “destroy” his opponent. That’s not a very intellectual attitude, but very American.
Agreed, ideally we should discuss these subjects to come to a better understanding of truth but it seems most are just interested in "winning"
Well, the daoism presented by the young man was not actually daoism, it was the usual hippy-dippy "one with nature" spiritualism given a Chinese flavoring to feel exotic. Of which the old man has probably debated many times and is familiar with. He was right to poke holes in the young man's logic, else he'd continue to misrepresent daoist philosophy and do both social and academic damage to the practice as a whole.
@@MaitlandJoneshe's not damaging it by any means. The guys argument was terrible and predictable. The kid's still young and learning, don't be so dismissive.
That's bigotry, also not in line with the Dao.
@@y0k0z00naI'm no daoist so I can tell you - *bro stfu you sound dumb*
That man was just ignorant. He didn't even try to understand the concept, he just asked to embarrass the guy in front of the crowd.
This isn’t some debate dude the kid was asking questions and he’s answering the best he can
Welcome to evangelical Christianity.
exactly. the young kid only has a small idea of what daoism is. the older man knows better. it's why he's doin it to make his image.
@@justinsane7832 sure not really
@@IsraelCountryCube...yea really. I'm sure you know nothing about it as well.
The term “resist” is used differently in this scenario. The true daoist would not waist time and energy on complaining about the unfortunate situation they find themsleves in. Instead they would accept their circumstances fully, and look to put their energy in helping themselves and the people around them.
underrated comment. Debates where people don't even pay attention to the meaning of the words they use (or possibly obscure that on purpose) are worthless.
so you'd be a nazi if that was the current regimen you were under? Good to know... "Ah don't worry about those people getting killed"
Exactly. Christianity and Islam are a scourge for humanity. So much ignorance and arrogance comes from the religious doctrines. “I’m right and you aren’t”
And How to help ourselves?
Damn this absolutely hits the nail on the head
This young man went with the flow responding to the question naturally. By saying he would leave taoism, he just embraced paradoxical unity.
younger guy won without even trying 😂
Just go with the flow. He is the real Dao.
Idk who the older man is.. but he just made a straw man argument. Crazy how no one said anything? The kid is right.
How?
@@SwectoriousHe literally made a very big what if
@@Swectorious He creates an extreme and prideful scenario that puts the kid on in a tight corner within the argument. Now in hindsight when taking into account the Word, it would be better for us to resist the Nazi's. But in the reality of it occurring, there are many factors that would be involved, which in this case it would actually be better to just go with the flow. There are no sides but the law.
@@SwectoriousI don't know if the kid fully understands taoism, or if he was just nervous and put on the spot. But defending yourself is also a part of nature, and taoism acknowledges that weapons are useful tools, but that war is a terrible thing and they should be used as last resorts.
@@Luimusic "Go with the flow" and the law. If the law isn't in your favor, would you be okay with it?
"Using force is strength, knowing how to yield is true strength" .... Well done Micah, you understand the Dao
Correct, the just man uses force but the moral man knows how to wield it with humility.
He wasn't destroyed.. He was humble and it shows that his really in tune with his philosophy.. He accepted another person's opinion with grace.. He was in fact one with the tau
At the end of China's Song Dynasty, Kublai Khan invaded China. Taoist believers went down to earth to save people, but Buddhists in their heyday were indifferent. This can exactly explain the Taoist concept of "going up the mountain in prosperous times and returning in troubled times.
@@cherylgoebelwhat is the entire thing?
Homeboy just pulled off the politest "okay boomer" in internet history lol
How is it an okay boomer to have your world view proven inconsistent and fold immediately?
he agreed with him
@@uchennanwogu2142 no, he agreed with him to avoid conflict. That’s flow right there. Flow itself is peace.
I’m a boomer and a lot of my fellow boomers are an embarrassment. We boomers don’t know everything just as every generation before us did not know everything. Boomers need to open their minds and listen much more. Wisdom can be learned from young people too.
@@easylife6348lmaoooo you trynna find a moral W somehow when your soyboy friend just got obliterated 😂 he wasn’t just “going along with it” he had no response… you could tell he was flustered
the older man’s argument was so incredibly dumb…
you can’t have a conversation with people who take everything you say so literal. he has to know it’s a retarded argument but just wanted to put an insecure kid on the spot to be right.
How so
It's like if kid says , let's just start a war then . Is war great ?
@@الحد Misinterpretating what "go with the flow" means here. But the guy seem not to know either. Lol
@@dregga7638 he didn't misinterpretate seems like u be the one who doesn't know
“Go with nature”
“Would you go with the nazis?”
Bruh
Unreal hahahah
"No, I'm not catholic"
So you are saying humans are not part of nature?? Lmao thats dumb
@@ameerkherbawi8466 that’s not what I’m saying. You’re pulling Cathy Newman. What Lao Tzu meant by “go with nature” had nothing to do with Nazis
@@maggot1111666 oh right, now I understood what you meant sorry.
Seems like a nice dude. Isn't causing anyone problems and open to honest conversations. Fair play.
Kids more Taoist then Lao Tzu . He just goes with the flow without resisting. He doesn't even need to define himself..
Love this. No need to definite yourself. Let these youtube shorts play ad infinitum. Let people eventually/naturally learn more about Taoism.
"You put water into a bottle, it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot, it becomes the teapot. Water can flow, or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee.
The kid just become water, my friend.😎🤣
Best comment
Daoism doesn't drop morals. Going with the flow of the universe does not mean going with the flow of the nazis. lol. If you are going with the flow, and the universe presents you with nazis, the flow may present you with other people resisting nazis or all the right information for you to be able to act upon to resist, to which is the path of least resistance for you to flow with. The flow of the universe doesn't disregard you, your life, your likes and dislikes, needs, beliefs, thoughts, and feelings.
I've encountered this myself, actually. Sometimes the path of least resistance has been the path of most resistance for governments (ego and collective ego), attorneys, and boots in your face.
If the government is trying to take away your humanity and very presence, the only choice left is to be so dang human and daoist, there is no other option left for them. The would rather weaponize their codes and statutes against my presence, so be it. I accept they may commit violence and even try to murder me for insisting on flowing with them as myself.
There can be no other way.
Only one person in that conversation is willing to change their mind upon receiving better arguments
similar to a taoist ;)
That wasn’t a better argument tho
Yeah, not a better argument because it was a Straw Man. People do this all the time though, not just myself.
The Christian is missing the point 😂
As always
@@agrajyadav2951corny
Neither Christians or taoists would be in favor of war. But more pose as the former.
As a christian, I agree
@@agrajyadav2951Based
"When nothing is done, nothing is left undone."
-Lao Tzu, Dao De Ching
The older gentleman is doing what is called a Straw Man argument against the younger gentleman.
A Straw Man argument is when someone takes what you are saying out of context and misrepresents it as weaker than it actually is. Then, they defeat the fake weak argument instead of addressing the real one.
100% and used Godwins Law right at the start. His use of the Nazis is so tired and stale "Lets take the worst group in history now if they were marching down your street...." what?
@@velvetinedrapes4359The Mongols were far worse, the Soviets were far worse and the Maoists were far worse.
@@danielkrcmar5395 Doesn't change the fact of the argument. Lay off the cheetos the high fructose corn syrup is rotting your brain
@@danielkrcmar5395 also brush your teeth please
The man should learn from that kid, nothing but humility and honesty. Hate that kind of people, that want to go over others because they have a different idea of life. Such an arrogant and ignorant tone. He should learn to speak.
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Really? Cause it seemed like a young kid who has been playful with what is a new idea to him (Taoism) was seeking clarification with someone who thinks differently and he realized he had never thought of the glaring counter example.
Or perhaps the "Tao" is for him to listen to his elder and become a Christian? Would that not be out of the realm of possibility here?
Like a true Dao, he went with the flow. Beautiful
As a good dao would in nazi Germany
I don't understand how this is a "win" for Tao. The kid seemed to change his mind, not "go with the flow."
Damn the kid actually won.
The young man is intelligent. He doesn’t double down when confronted with a flaw in his logic or leaves in a huff as most do.
He politely acknowledges it and no doubt puts more thought into his position.
I agree. He acted as a true Daoist should, you might say.
As a Taoist the point presented by the Christian man is flawed, daoism is not so simple.
@@jeffsmith1485 then explain it please
@@lucioloco4062 A true Taoist would not in fact go with the Nazi party, Taoist people "Go with the flow" But are not morally fucked like that. It's about not resisting what life throws at you, i.e. not fighting the hardships that come, but instead seeing what you can learn from them.
He was conned. By a Con Man. The ART of War is Taoism!!
For anyone who hasn't studied Tao, it discusses war and violence, it makes it clear that war is only the absolute last resort, being in defence and should only be committed with great sorrow and regret, with mourning for both sides, if war occurs, one side has not followed the Tao and you, like water forced into an ever tighter space, are still water. His question on whether he would resist a cruel war of aggression, there is nothing to resist if he did not commit and if he were to take up arms against it, he moves like water, the rock so hard may part water, but the water, in the end always finds its way.
Sometimes the "low ground" for the water to flow into is a rival kingdom. One of the greatest students of Sun-Tzu was Cao Cao.
Thanks for explaining. Sounds very interesting. I am Catholic myself. I love hearing about other religions. So cool. I think whatever way someone find God and bring structure and good morals into their life is absolutely beautiful
@@Heavyisthecrown Different paths same destination.
I really like that kid. Bless him, Lord 🙏
Keep praying to nothing
@@BIaZeDaSHeLL if only you could witness the things I've experienced and seen, sir. You are so wrong and I pray that God shows up for you in all the ways that He has for me. He's a good Father and He truly loves you.
@@KambanMusic humans created God 🙏
@@BIaZeDaSHeLL dude that's not true I literally have a very clear picture of an angel on top of my Church steeple that I captured when I was 14, you have no idea what you're talking about, respectfully.
I've literally experienced demonic haunting and doors being slammed right in front of me at 3 a.m. doing home healthcare when I wasn't following Christ. You've never experienced it maybe, but there's more to this world than the natural realm, I can promise you that 😇
And I've witnessed much more than this. Miracles sir, just seek it out, you can find this stuff easily if you're willing to let go of that death grip on your ideology.
I say all of this respectfully, sir.
@@KambanMusic so your whole argument is u saw something u cant explain therefore it must be this......
The kid literally won a lose-lose question
You can't describe Tao. You can only feel the Tao. Flow with the tao. This man does it.
no he doesn't lol.
true, also the old dude literally dumped the biggest straw man possible and thought that was productive.
@jerkchickenblog old wise man said "so you are not a Taoist then?" Young wise man said "no, I guess not."
Instead of defending himself being a Taoist, he went along with it. He didn't resist. He was soft and yielding, instead of stubborn and hard.
Tao te Ching Chapter 1 part 31
“Good weapons are instruments of fear; all creatures hate them.
Therefore followers of Tao never use them.
The wise man prefers the left.
The man of war prefers the right.
Weapons are instruments of fear; they are not a wise man's tools.
He uses them only when he has no choice.
Peace and quiet are dear to his heart,
And victory no cause for rejoicing.
If you rejoice in victory, then you delight in killing;
If you delight in killing, you cannot fulfill yourself.”
Exactly, as I understand it a Daoist approach to the Nazis would essentially be one of resistance in the sense that the error in thier ways is recognized but also non-violent and leading by example of how we should live. Much like Ghandi or MLK. The speaker at the event (don't know who he is) is right for discussing how various philosophies would approach the Nazis, but I think his mistake is he seems the type to say "without objective morality then people are just gonna do whatever they want and kill each other". People look for certainty and order and in trying to make sense of things we create these catagories and rules that aren't really there. Best book I've read on this particular issue is Simone de Beauvoir's "The Ethics of Ambiguity"
You butchered it to say the man of war prefers the right. This is a misleading translation. I will post the original.
Fine weapons are implements of ill omen:
people may despise them,
so those with the Way do not dwell with them.
Therefore the place of honor for the cultured is on the left,
while the honored place for the martialist is on the right.
@@MountainJohnwhat about "wu wei" meaning effortless action/inaction.?.
Cool I make up fake quotes too
One of my favorite chapters. It acknowledges that "violence never solves anything" is BS in the absolute sense, but at the same time criticizes anyone that has a bloodlust or perverse joy in combat or war. It's a grave shame to fight because it leads to negative consequences for at least some parties no matter what. In general, it's always more fruitful to cooperate and live and let live, instead of trying to rule over others.
Love the humility to accept when you’re wrong, it’s hard but it shows the strength in character. God Bless this man.
Strong in character...That's all that happened here... HUMILITY is the strongest CHARACTER
Who is to say what is right and what is wrong?
@@StateOfMind13 God.
God. 😂 Okay.
@@StateOfMind13 absolute morality comes from a higher power, if you want be my guest to do all the research you want but you’ll soon realize we have always had these morals. The difference is that people suppress them to get what they want.
The kid handled himself in a very "go with it" way and was very polite. Kudos to him...❤❤❤
A way out his trick question:
“I would respond as naturally as possible without hesitation”
And yet this young man indeed “went with the flow”
Lol indeed😂
The man with the glasses went so overboard so he can sustain his biases. I guess the guy with the long hair was right, he is a Daoist. Because he didn't resist the man's over-extreme ultimatum. He just went with it... The young man is the Dao.
The guy's too stubborn and arrogant to change anyway, this kid will be happy.
@@user-fg3fv9hl3b You can tell he doesn't take life too seriously and is easy going. Good for him 😊
He didn't resist to be vulnerable. That is a win!
This young man got a little wiser this day.
Humility goes along way lol
Repent of your sins and believe on Adonai Jesus Christ, believe in your heart that He has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved.
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Jesus the Christ loves you, praise YHWH our Elohim
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Evidence for Jesus Christ’s existence, crucifixion, and disappearance from the tomb (He rose from it):
The Lord Jesus Christ did exist, gathered disciples, and was crucified and went missing from the tomb. To argue about wether He was taken from the grave or rose from it, is an argument a skeptic can make. Because well if you disregard the eye witness testimony of the disciples and there willingness to die for Christ, and humans won’t die for something they know is a lie, when Peter is pinned upside down to that cross, he could have said that it was a fake, but He didn’t because it wasn’t, what care would he have about death in this world if he knew for a fact he had assurance of a life in another, Jesus Christ did rise from the tomb and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now the evidence for the Lord Jesus Christ’s existence really isn’t hard to find a multitude of non-Christian scholars and historians mention Him within 150 years after the time of His life. One such is Tacitus a Roman historian who reported on emperor nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed rome in 64 AD. Tacitus wrote:
“Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…”
In this Tacitus makes reference to not only Christians, but Christ calling Him Christus and confirming the Gospels going on to say that He suffered the extreme penalty (crucifixion) under the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilate, which like I said confirms the Gospels narrative.
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:
“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food - but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”
This passage provides a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny's statement that hymns were sung to Christ, "as to a god", as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, "unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth." If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man.
You may have heard of the scholar Flavius Josephus who mentioned James as being the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, which matches what Paul said calling James “The Lord’s brother” and there is another document that Josephus may have written which goes:
“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.”
Now it’s up to debate wether this is the entirely original document of what Josephus wrote, or if a Christian had edited it. But regardless he wrote about the Lord Jesus Christ. Wether it was negative or positive like the possible document is. Anyways there are many other statements, documents, letters, and writings of all sorts from the ancient world talking about the Lord Jesus Christ and there is not one question if He was a real person or if He was crucified and went missing from the grave. That is clear as day, He is a real person, was crucified, and went missing from the grave. And He did rise from the grave. And for more evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ, there’s the Bible and you see there is no evidence the Bible is corrupted, a lie, created by the Roman government, folktale. It is the recount of the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, now wether you want to believe it is up to you. And what profit was there in spreading Christianity, All the early Christian suffered persecution, beatings, and were killed. Another Scholar reported that James the Lord’s Brother was thrown off a building and then stoned to death for spreading the Gospel in Jerusalem. These people went to great lengths even giving their own lives for the Adon Jesus the Christ.
@@jasonbabilonia3037 Repent of your sins and believe on Adonai Jesus Christ, believe in your heart that He has died for sins and rose from the tomb on the third day and let the Holy Spirit within you, and you shall be saved.
-
Jesus the Christ loves you, praise YHWH our Elohim
-
Evidence for Jesus Christ’s existence, crucifixion, and disappearance from the tomb (He rose from it):
The Lord Jesus Christ did exist, gathered disciples, and was crucified and went missing from the tomb. To argue about wether He was taken from the grave or rose from it, is an argument a skeptic can make. Because well if you disregard the eye witness testimony of the disciples and there willingness to die for Christ, and humans won’t die for something they know is a lie, when Peter is pinned upside down to that cross, he could have said that it was a fake, but He didn’t because it wasn’t, what care would he have about death in this world if he knew for a fact he had assurance of a life in another, Jesus Christ did rise from the tomb and is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Now the evidence for the Lord Jesus Christ’s existence really isn’t hard to find a multitude of non-Christian scholars and historians mention Him within 150 years after the time of His life. One such is Tacitus a Roman historian who reported on emperor nero’s decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed rome in 64 AD. Tacitus wrote:
“Nero fastened the guilt ... on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of ... Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome…”
In this Tacitus makes reference to not only Christians, but Christ calling Him Christus and confirming the Gospels going on to say that He suffered the extreme penalty (crucifixion) under the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilate, which like I said confirms the Gospels narrative.
Another important source of evidence about Jesus and early Christianity can be found in the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan. Pliny was the Roman governor of Bithynia in Asia Minor. In one of his letters, dated around A.D. 112, he asks Trajan's advice about the appropriate way to conduct legal proceedings against those accused of being Christians. Pliny says that he needed to consult the emperor about this issue because a great multitude of every age, class, and sex stood accused of Christianity. At one point in his letter, Pliny relates some of the information he has learned about these Christians:
“They were in the habit of meeting on a certain fixed day before it was light, when they sang in alternate verses a hymn to Christ, as to a god, and bound themselves by a solemn oath, not to any wicked deeds, but never to commit any fraud, theft or adultery, never to falsify their word, nor deny a trust when they should be called upon to deliver it up; after which it was their custom to separate, and then reassemble to partake of food - but food of an ordinary and innocent kind.”
This passage provides a number of interesting insights into the beliefs and practices of early Christians. First, we see that Christians regularly met on a certain fixed day for worship. Second, their worship was directed to Christ, demonstrating that they firmly believed in His divinity. Furthermore, one scholar interprets Pliny's statement that hymns were sung to Christ, "as to a god", as a reference to the rather distinctive fact that, "unlike other gods who were worshipped, Christ was a person who had lived on earth." If this interpretation is correct, Pliny understood that Christians were worshipping an actual historical person as God! Of course, this agrees perfectly with the New Testament doctrine that Jesus was both God and man.
You may have heard of the scholar Flavius Josephus who mentioned James as being the brother of the Lord Jesus Christ, which matches what Paul said calling James “The Lord’s brother” and there is another document that Josephus may have written which goes:
“About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he ... wrought surprising feats.... He was the Christ. When Pilate ...condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared ... restored to life.... And the tribe of Christians ... has ... not disappeared.”
Now it’s up to debate wether this is the entirely original document of what Josephus wrote, or if a Christian had edited it. But regardless he wrote about the Lord Jesus Christ. Wether it was negative or positive like the possible document is. Anyways there are many other statements, documents, letters, and writings of all sorts from the ancient world talking about the Lord Jesus Christ and there is not one question if He was a real person or if He was crucified and went missing from the grave. That is clear as day, He is a real person, was crucified, and went missing from the grave. And He did rise from the grave. And for more evidence of the Lord Jesus Christ, there’s the Bible and you see there is no evidence the Bible is corrupted, a lie, created by the Roman government, folktale. It is the recount of the Disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ, now wether you want to believe it is up to you. And what profit was there in spreading Christianity, All the early Christian suffered persecution, beatings, and were killed. Another Scholar reported that James the Lord’s Brother was thrown off a building and then stoned to death for spreading the Gospel in Jerusalem. These people went to great lengths even giving their own lives for the Adon Jesus the Christ.
Because he was able to ride the flow
He just didn't really know what he was talking about, before even going there.
I don’t think the kid knows enough about Taoism to really make an argument for it, being in flow is more like finding a way round your problems rather than resisting them straight on. It doesn’t necessarily mean that a Taoist would go along with the holocaust.
Right, the speaker was actually really dismissive with this example. If you think about it, genocide is AGAINST Tao, and violence is completely appropriate as a LAST resort.
Exactly, considering Taoism is also so deeply connected to martial arts it’s safe to assume that they had a last resort in mind. I don’t disagree with any of the speakers beliefs but I think if he had someone come on that is well educated in the philosophy then they would find that they mostly agree.
@@neo1072 exactly. Adolf didn't quite represent the flow of nature lol....
or did he... 😱
Right lets not pretend monks didn’t fight to their deaths protecting their temples and citizens from Mongolians plunder
@@khalarete2188 He did, but only part of, there're always two forces (yin/yang) opposite to but at the same time complete each other, I guess that's what the symbol of tao means, nature.
Tao Te Ching Verse 32:
Even the finest warrior is defeated when he goes against natural law.
By his own hand he is doomed and all creatures are likely to despise him
One who knows the tao never turns from life's calling.
When at home he honors the side of rest.
When at war he honors the side of action.
Peace and tranquility are what he holds most dear so he does not obtain weapons,
But when their use is unavoidable he employs them with fortitude and zeal.
Do not flaunt your excellence.
Do not rejoice over victory.
With the loss of others, weep with sorrow and grief.
After winning a battle do not celebrate,
observe the rites of a funeral.
One who is bound to action, proud of victory, and delights in the misfortune of others will never gain a thing from this world below heaven
Natural law is horrific though and not worth persuing.
Thank you for posting this I wanted to do so. Daoism is at face value an easy philosophy to understand but that could not be further from the truth.
@gussafara thank you, I strive to come back to reading the book after months of development,
& each time find a deeper understanding that I didn't prior recognize
My kitten suddenly passed away last month and the tao taught me to trust the path;
so I turned the tragedy into gifts & since then have become receptive to hearing/speaking to her,
which in turn has opened me up to connecting with the spirit realm,
which doubled me down on appreciating & trusting life's flow - easing my military/childhood PTSD mind and manifesting a more loving/understanding relationship with my dog, strangers, & even those who capitulate climate/socioeconomic/patriarchal disaster
We are all doing the best we can with our limited consciousness at hand,
so my most effective mental health treatment as a social revolutionary was to simultaneously speak up when I feel called,
but make peace with the potential probability of earth's 6th mass extinction exacerbated by the hands of those led into greed by their unconscious minds
If we might all die tomorrow, I'll do what I can to stop it.
If we will all die tomorrow, I'll make peace with it & envision what fractals of consciousness we will next reincarnate as
@BS-cc4ks what a silly thing to say, what horrific event happened before the rise of mankind?
Who's to judge what is or isn't horrific?
Is it horrific for predator to hunt prey in the wild?
What if the prey was a plant?
Or the hunter a plant, prey a drop of water, sunray, or soil nutrient?
What if the prey was thousands of cattle caged & fattened for slaughter by predators that don't care to learn where their steak dinner came from?
If we're going to apply polarity of horrific,
I'd call it horrific the actions of mankind to separate themselves from the natural hunt to instead strive for money while deeming earth as just resources
How many resources were extracted from earth by impoverished hands just to create your phone?
@@ranewanders8147 Well put. I can't relate to the Military PTSD but in the past year alone I have lost a friend who was like a brother to me, one of my uni friends passed away and we were at bad terms and he needed help but I did not comply, family went broke couldn't afford law school despite being in my final year, lost my father, and had to break up with my girlfriend who I was supposed to marry all while at 22. I hadn't smiled for a few months after all that happened. It's been the toughest year and I think moving forward nothing will ever be as hard as this year for me. But I have also never been so content with myself, spiritually awakened, or even this motivated. All i need is my degree to set myself up again or any opportunity. But Daoism and many other things have kept me standing, providing for my family in any means necessary. I just say keep fighting the good fight brother, and I am sure one day we will have our solace.
miyamoto musashi, was pretty much a taoist, yet, he was the best samurai and killed several people. Taoism is about accepting what is before you, whether you want it or not. You dont want to cause harm, but you understand that existence has its own plan.
I don’t think he even bothered to listen to the boy and actually answer. He just flipped it immediately and turned it to his advantage. If one is to have an actual religious discussion one has to go into it honestly. If not then it’s just a debate to win- and it defeats the purpose of understanding… so in this case this man is showing what his religion is really about - enforcement.
@salvas7376 Very true
That's what almost all religious leaders do.
@salvas7376 Then I ask you, why are religions forced upon people? I’ll tell you why, because they aren’t meant to be. It’s a trick question. As Christians, we want another person to understand our beliefs because we want to save them from hell, realize what Jesus has done for them, and also because it’s part of the Great Commission. However, I would also say a lot of Christians are too forceful, for example the old kings and queens of England who either influenced Catholic or Protestant beliefs. This makes a religion seem to forceful, but that’s not the point.
@@History101-lm3pp I understand 1st they evangelicals are the biggest preachers of hell. So he as a Taoist would actually understand what Jesus has done for us and that was to bring actual liberation (huge word) now to save Ilya from the hell we ourselves as a group and individuals create . Now the basic hell of evangelicals … the one where a huge majority of the population they had ever existed… and were there is eternal damnation… but hey is either created by the Gospel you believe which is extremely cruel of a savior (not savior at this point) or he has an equally powerful opposite The devil. Looking at Jesus story through the eyes of Taoism, Buddhism and other Easter religions makes he more of a liberator then through evangelical type of Christianity and all those they believe in eternal Dalmatian in a painful hell. It also quickly shows the foolishness of this eternal punisher because it means he is creating humans to then tanto them and send most of them to punishment. What a waste 1st and what a cruel masochist 2nd.
Christianity has always been about enforcement, this is how catholics took control.of all south and north America. Forced natives into baptism or die.
When Westerners try to understand Far East concepts but they get nothing, this happens.
More like Christian’s
When a superior person hears of the Tao, they immediately begin to embody it. When an average person hears of the Tao, they half believe it, half doubt it. When a foolish person hears of the Tao, they laugh out loud. If they didn’t laugh, it wouldn’t be the Tao
@@brwnipoints"superior person" sounds kinda nazi ngl
Flow with the universe within you, the real you, dont resist your own life force. Thats not about outside forces or nazi jews or nazi germans.If you want to resist outside forces then resist, if you dont want then dont, so simple. Ignorant man's ignorant question in the video.
Yes, from both sides
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i hope this kid watch this video and see how much support he gets, go with the flow, you will master the art of Daoism.
Go with Christ, you will have *Eternal Life.*
@@May-tai get back to us when you have fulfilled your desire for eternal life
Go and live forever, for the rest, allowed them to choose what is best for them. Not everyone wants to live forever.
@@May-tai I have no interest in eternal life, that sounds exhausting, so I'm gonna pass hard on that.
Fair play to the lad He literally just did exactly what he was trying to explain 👏🏼
Dude doesn't understand Taoism.
You don't think about whether you resist or not - if it is in your nature to resist, you will.
Prickly Goo and Gooey Prickles
What if it's my nature to be a psycopathic serial killer
@@Jason-io8pe Would you like fries with that?
@@CoryFPS No seriously...what is 2/3 of the population suddenly concluded that it is morally right and necessary to murder the other 1/3 of the population! Would you flow with them???
@@Jason-io8pe Then you don't have the mental or emotional stability to understand the Tao
You can "accept" things that happen to you and still resist a fascist regime. It's called the reverse clause in some cases and it's being able to accept things that are out of your control but still understand the importance of ones own preservation and values.
nazi weren't fascist, they were socialists
@@Gh0zT-777 objectively wrong by all historical standards.
“National socialist” was just a title for the purposes of propaganda/marketing. Socialism was popular at the time with the working class which were at target market for the party, so they went with that.
In practice, there was little-to-no socialism going on in Nazi Germany. Just authoritarian nationalism, which is fascism.
yeah, as sb pointed out in the comments above, the old man took one meaning of the word 'resist' and used it in another : ) On purpose, I guess? A complete misrepresentation of the original idea, and no wonder it took the younger guy by surprise
Presenting a non-dualistic understanding to a dualistic minded person is like handing a toddler a rubix cube. They're just going to suck.
👍🏼
True
So you're saying if the Nazis came up you'd come up with a non-dualistic (neither for or against) approach?
Your response is arrogant af. "Everyone who I don't agree with is a toddler." Excellent breakdown lol
@@BecomeUncancellable nah, you missed the point completely.
It is nice to see someone intellectually honest and admit that they haven't fully thought things through. So many argue just to argue even when clearly wrong.
What this kid displayed was a mind OPEN TO CHANGE.
A very high state of wisdom.
He's a young kid. He's exploring. He's far from being able to answer any life sized philosophical question. The question he was asked is irrelevant and designed to make him feel foolish and make the questioner look like he's wise, but he's just a smartass, nothing more. They both cancel each other out.
Save this, download it, make copies and spread the word that we have found that one person who accepts when he is wrong. . .
About Taoism, yes!
Yes, let's save the layman person who got "beat" by a person who does this everyday and gets paid for it.😂
He didn't really have a good understanding of Taoism in my opinion.
Not really wrong. He went with the logical flow
He was not wrong. He doesn't have understanding of Daoism.
Resistance and conflict are parts of human nature. If you are inspired to stand up for something or join a cause, you are still following the Tao.
This young man was touched by Taoism but forgot that nature is not necessarily peaceful. Protection of, and service to others is essential.
i love the honesty. praise him for not being too arrogant to admiring his fault
The old dude proved nothing. Daoism is a way that seeks harmony and peaceful existence within the natural order of the universe. Nazism is a human engineered way that leads to conflict, strife, and war.
A Daoist sees war as a disruption in the natural patterns of the world. A Daoist believes that perserving life is morally right and killing is morally wrong. A Daoist believes that employing war for political gain is wrong because it will inflict pain and suffering on the people and on the rulers.
When faced with something like the rise of Nazism, I would think that a Daoist would try to assist others and help them escape deep into nature or flee the country in an effort to avoid all conflict, strife, war, suffering and oppression.
The kid's answer was just wrong. A Daoist would neither go along with the conflict ridden philosophy of Nazism nor would they physically battle or fight against it because they are pacifists. They would choose a path that they believe aligns with the natural order of peaceful existence in the universe. They would either stay and try to help others in their community avoid greater pain, suffering, and death, or they would attempt to lead others to safety and avoid the conflict completely
You can still go with the flow in a river without becoming a part of the river or crashing against the rocks or totally ignoring others who are drowning in the river. Even in a raging, powerful river, there's more than just one way to go. There are many smaller currents, eddies and calm places.
Daoism accentuates the idea of compassionate living and taking responsibility toward the well-being of others seriously. Daoists feel that they have a duty to help others who are in need. Under a Nazi regime, a Daoist would most likely become a fugitive, and take on a service roll as a guide, teacher, caregiver or medical aide, assisting other people along the way, or the Daoist would be imprisoned or killed for staying in the Nazi occupied area and aiding and helping others who are in need.
They would neither join nor fight the Nazis. They might also join the resistance, but only as an aid to those who are suffering. They wouldn't want to become soldier in the resistance.
Thank you so much
@MaureenJonesSmithArts I'm not sure what I did, but you're very welcome. 🙂
BTW, I re-read my post and found some errors and few better ways to word my argument. It's still a bit repetitive, but I'm just a Dudeist. I'm not some expert on Daoism. I dabble.
He still a Daosist because he pretty much went in with the flow in that interview 😂
I get what you're saying, but he literally said No, he would not go with the flow and then agreed he likely isnt a daoist or w.e because his daoist stance did not stand up to pressure
He becomes instantly likable…
Because he agrees with you?
I love when both parties are respectful and the debate/discussion goes smoothly 💯❤️🔥
This person just created a vibe,,, he himself got happy and also made another person happy❤thats it.
This kid really just went with the flow of this conversation
He practice what he preach😂
I wonder if the man trying to impose his will on the younger man has ever read the Tao te Ching. Based on his actions I’m inclined to think he has not. Anyone saying the younger man was ‘wrong’ who hasn’t studied the Tao is not offering any valuable contribution here.
The speaker is the Christian Frank Turek and he's known for lying. Both here don't understand Taoism, which had a huge impact on Chinese military history -- even Sun Tzu stated that the ideal general is an enlightened Taoism master.
The young guy was naive in thinking that a Christian, which is impelled by his scripture to convert others, would have his best interests in mind. Nevermind that the Bible condones perpetual slavery, even of children, and the killing of unbelievers -- nor that the Cath Church were the biggest supporters of Nazi Germany. The Christian spotted a gullible young man and grabbed him.
Interestingly enough, the ancient Greek Celsus spoke about this when observing the earliest Christians preaching: they would only go for the ignorant and disabled and throughly avoided the bright and learned because those were anathema to their BS.
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These fellows have an inherent bias to prove christianity as great. Tao is he greatest standpoint. There have even been warriors who were disciples of Lao Tzu. It is a receptive approach to life. If some want to oppress another, they are unnatural, mentally pathological, anti-life. Tao is not supporting any anti-life pathological behavior. Humans have to rise higher in their humanity
More humane. Gentle, fearless, serene, spontaneous and responsive. Capable of fighting and protecting ur dignity and freedom when required.
Tao is not even against science. Christianity was never a friend to science. The renaissance was a rebellion against christianity. All the tech, scientific knowledge, and social equality and rights are works of those who ventured to explore truth and creativity. Not by some religion telling them 'this is how it is'
Busshism could merge with Tao to give birth to Zen. Zen is a freedom to explore, to quest, to rebel, to be creative, natural, serene, gentle and loving. Just live as alert, mindful in each moment, committed to ur act. Self aware. And vibe with those who also create a life as such. Relax. Accept ur body. Observe life. Respect the life thriving in this vst universe. Live simple. Light hearted. Contribute to the world with ur intelligence, abilities, ur humane qualities.
Religions as such, especially the politically charged ones today, have no such contribution, no such standpoint.
Going with the flow sounds like stoicism
They're very similar.
"Going with the flow" is a gross oversimplification, though.
Greeks copied a lot of stuff from other civilizations. They were not isolated from the rest of the world.
You can tell that micah is actually a really smart guy
Intellectual integrity is rare... his ASD is a likely reason he cannot be intellectually dishonest
"Water can flow and water can crash. Be water my friend."
-Bruce Lee
People join and quit beliefs all the time.
Wikipedia:
"In Taoism, the Tao is the source of everything and the ultimate principle underlying reality.Taoism teaches about the various disciplines for achieving perfection through self-cultivation. This can be done through the use of Taoist techniques and by becoming one with the unplanned rhythms of the all, called "the way" or "Tao". Taoist ethics vary depending on the particular school, but in general tend to emphasize wu wei (action without intention), naturalness, simplicity, spontaneity and the Three Treasures: 慈, compassion, 儉, frugality and 不敢爲天下先, humility."
What's wrong with that?
What’s wrong? Peoples Egos…
it doesn't pay the pastors bills.
@@naspointOhahaha i love this comment you nailed it 😅 hahaha
"So, what I understood is that, being a TAO, you try to handle the situation the best you could based on the knowledge that you have acquired. But you do not resist the outcome, as results are not in your control. Sometimes the outcome will be as per your expectations, but sometimes they will not be as per your expectations. However, you just accept it wholeheartedly and hence remain calm and peaceful, keeping your heart at ease."
And Frank isn’t a Christian either because he hasn’t sold all his possessions and given the money to the poor
Ha
Nor would he let the Nazis slap him on both cheeks or steal his shirt and coat...
Im a Christian and I actually think I'm more on the side of the kid, rather than the Christian. But clearly the young man didn't make a good argument and either doesn't quite understand or he felt pressured to not be labelled a nazi sympathiser. War/conflict is an inevitable part of life. To be part of it and embrace it is going with the flow.
The dàojiā way would be to not end up in war.
If that's not possible, then to win without fighting.
If that's not possible, then to win with as little harm to people as plausible.
Though not strictly Taoist, Sūnzǐ's Art of War would be the closest thing to a dàojiā manual on warfare.
and yet by admitting he would resist he went with the flow
Homie your Bible says you can grape as long as you have enough sheckles lmaoo
That was wonderful and took courage.What a magnificent head of hair.
The kid was "flowing with him" so yes he is practicing
What an idiotic example...
Beautiful two souls ☺️ much love for both of you ❤
I apreciate the young man, he is openminded, willing to learn, admit his flaws and change his opinion when presented with facts / new information
This is what a Taoist is. he literally went with the flow
Except in nazi Germany he insists that he would go AGAINST the flow so. Inconsistent
@@nigelnyoni8265USA is his home different stuff.
@@nigelnyoni8265No he would do what would be natural to him, which would be to resist the Nazis. Its simple if you keep it simple
"The man did his research" 😁 only his his entire adult life
He went with the flow.
He proved himself right.
He's a true Daoism practitioner
He didn't resist the man at all
Does this mean that Taoism is never arguing or even explaining your views very well? Cause it sounds like like not even bothering to show up would have been more "Tao".
He's getting there@@BecomeUncancellable
Taoism is about the path of *least* resistance. So it means you evaluate a situation and adapt to the path that takes the least amount of struggling and torment. If the nazis were invading the US, and you chose *not* to fight, the rest of your life under Nazi facist rule would be a lot more troublesome than defending your homeland, therefore ultimately the path of least resistance would be to defend yourself, when put between a rock and a hard place.
But if you were living in Nazi Germany, the path of least resistance would be to go along with the Nazis.
Uhhhh that counter argument didnt even align with what the kid said. "To be one with nature, go with the flow of the universe".... who said the nazis were doaists? This is literally the strawman argument. Whats actually sad is how many people in the comments also didnt catch this. I dont blame the kid he was the one on the spot but you all had all the time in the world to think about how you wanted to comment. Smh
Aren't nazis part of the universe?
Are nazis not part of the universe then?
You’re the one arguing a straw man no one said the Nazis were Daoists.
When asked about Daoism’s moral standard, the kid said “don’t resist anything”. Turek then mentioned the Nazis because there’s no way someone in their right mind would not resist an enemy invasion.
@@jeremyjean-pierre4977 so you're saying there no such thing as an actual Taoist? That's makes it kinda weird the thing even exists in the first place huh? The best part about this is the nazis aren't a force of a nature are they. What was the whole thing again or right to be one with nature not anti semitism
@@jeremyjean-pierre4977 Jesus doesn't strike me as the type to resist an enemy invasion....jus saying.
A delightful young man. He's a good example of young man who answered very politely to questions with no screaming or rudeness ❤
Sun Tzu was a Taoist. The philosophy isn't "what should I do in every (im)practical situation", but how to view the flow of the universe and its inhabitants.
Sun Tzu is not a Taoist although was insipred by Taoism
Art of War is the closest thing to a dàojiā manual on warfare, but Sūnzǐ wasn't strictly Daoist.
Gosh this is a breath of fresh air!!!! Much needed
Open minded and beautiful young man 😁
The term “resist” is used differently in this scenario.
The true Daoist would not waste time and energy on complaining about the unfortunate situation they find themselves in. Instead they would accept their circumstances fully, and look to put their energy in helping themselves and the people around them. In fact they would even go to war to protect their land
Daoism is like cutting wood according to the grain. Even in war there is a particular "grain"
When hungry eat. When thirsty drink. When tired sleep. When in war..........
The Tao says to defend yourself and your people tho. Essentially just says do not take up arms until necessary.
The kid bested him
The kid pointed at the moon
And the dude looked only at the finger
I hate this. The kid simply can't defend daoist philosophy. Its absolutely beautiful, and it doesn't have the arrogant, militant judgement of unearned moral superiority of his version of Christianity.