I completely agree with what those men are doing. Last time I was there, I simply couldn't believe how rude, disrespectful and just plain stupid most tourists were. Some were running after them, shoving their camera in the maiko's face. I think next I'll actually do the same with the tourists, see how they like it.
@ewoodham Maikos are not celebrities. They have their own works at Ochaya that's why they're in hurry when they walk. But a lot of foreigners misunderstand their work and the existence of Maiko or Geiko. The Maiko said that some of them throw a cigarette into Maiko's neck and it was really scared her. Those men are not just civilians, but they are owners of traditional Ochaya where Maiko works at.
I'm European, and I really admire maiko and geiko. When I was in Gion, I wanted to take pictures of them, but I've never thought about even touching them. When I asked maikos and geikos to let me take a pic, I said like 「すみませんが、写真を撮らせていただけないでしょうか」. Some left without even looking at me, but I didn't run after them or forced to stop. I just waited for another. There were 3 maikos and 2 geikos who listened to my words, and I can't put it in words how happy I was.
Viki Hollo I'm so glad that you respect this part of culture and understand the difference to call them as "Geisha". Hope you had a good time in Japan and enjoyed your stay! (More than anything I wish that you'll notice my comment because yours was written about 3 years ago....)
I saw some Chinese tourists were acting really bad.... I cannot believe how anybody can take away kanzashi, throw in cigarets in the neck, pull the obis and yell at them when they refuse to take photo. Gion is not a theme park.
I think ve seen more Caucasians and more foreign looking people doing bad things than actual Asians. Asians normally know the Japanese culture better and so, they respect it more. Chinese, Koreans, Singaporeans
I swear, the one who spoke with the shidare is Ayano-san when she was still a young Maiko! The other one looked like young Kyouka-san! It's so crazy to see them when they were so young! I really appreciate the patrol people making sure they're getting to their appointments safely as I'm sure the Maiko and Geiko do as well.
i have been to gion an uncountable number of time. and at that time, my partner (japanese) was ashamed of the attitude of the japanese in front of the ichirikitei, running after the girls kneeling on front of them so they had to stop walking or change direction to have their picture taken. i have never seen one foreigner pulling a maiko's kimono or stealing her kanzashi and running away. those old guys are just bored and want some power in this all female society. i call them the hanamacho
You have to remember though that, upon entering this profession, the maiko and geiko must realize that there will be many people vying for a picture of them - this is just the nature of the beast. Of course, though, it is definitely in good character to ask first.
I saw some Japanese young teens harassing young Maiko. there are also people pretending to be Chinese or Koreans when they harass a Maiko san. that was very weird to me. why should they need to do that. it is so or so frowned upon😅🤦🏻♀️
yeah right it's the foreigners ! how easy is that ? each time there is a probem in japan, that7s the foreigners. i am half japanese and i can tell you that those old so called patrol bodyguard have no civil right whatsoever to stop anyone from being in the way of a maiko. yes it is rude to stop a girl on her track and force her to have her pic taken but come on, kyoto's economy is 90% based on tourism and what do they use to attract tourist on every brochure, a maiko. who's kidding who
Are you kidding me? These people are on their way to work and I can tell you that thoses tourists have no civil right whatsoever to stop a maiko for a goddamm picture. Kyoto's economy is 90% based on tourism, you're right but that doesn't mean they have to stop. There is a rule that you cannot stop them for photos. Maybe you have never seen a maiko being pulled by a foreigner but face the truth the maiko is saying that she got pulled by one. You sound very arrogant and bold just like those old men in front of Ichiriki.
舞妓さんっていうキャラクターとして見てるんだろうね。ディズニーで言うミッキーみたいな。舞妓さんは職業であって、街をただ練り歩く風物詩じゃないってこと
ルール知らなくても、簪とったり帯引っ張ったり終いには襟にタバコ放り込むなんて、どういう神経してんの？
完全にテロ
チンピラみたいなやつらが京都にやってきた
京都市へ言いたい。10年以上経ってもか何もかわらない。今も呼びかけパフォーマンス（実際は観光客増えて嬉しい）だけ。せめてお座敷が始まる18時頃～24時迄花街への立ち入りを制限してはどうですか。舞妓を京都へ観光資源にしたいなら、市がきっちり受け皿を作ってそこへ観光客を誘導すべき。芸子さんも生活がかかっているのですから。今の不粋な花街の状況では本当のお茶屋の客が減っているとしか思えない。来年オリンピックもあるし、もっとひどなりますよ。
映画SAYURIのせいで、どれだけ外国の方に芸舞妓への偏見を植え付けたか……製作陣は知らんのでしょうね。結局は対岸の火事ですから。(SAYURIを見た外国人が、芸舞妓に対し性的交渉をせがんだそうです)
それと同じで、外国人は芸舞妓への好意はありそうだけど、敬意はないように見えます。
簪をとったり襟にタバコを入れるのは犯罪だし論外だけど、舞妓さんを取り囲んだり帯を引っ張るとかは迷惑も甚だしい。これは文句の一つや二つ出ても仕方がない。
外国人で、物珍しいから写真とかとりたい気持ちはわかるよ…でも、無理やりはよくない
あと、襟にたばこ入れるとか帯引っ張るとか、ルール以前にその人たちのモラルを疑います
襟にタバコ入れる！？想像しただけで寒気する…人間のすることじゃないわ
ヨーロッパ人は有史以来アジア人に対する強烈な人種差別意識があるためそんな暴力も平気でやれるんだ。
しかも若くて弱い舞妓さん相手にだぞ！？見かけたら絶対に許さない！
せやから本物の舞妓はんは
歩くのが早いんやで。
未成年でここまで出来ることに凄いって思うのに、要求が強すぎるな😅
ましては通勤中に…。
簪とるとか普通に窃盗罪で草
「たばこを襟に投げ入れる」は既に刑法の障害未遂罪に問える。大勢集まればバカも出てくる。よく批判される迷惑老人カメラマンも含め、例えば「３m以内に近づかない」などで規制し、同時に舞妓・芸妓さんにはボディーガードを付けるべきだ。
その通り！
何回も京都府に嘆願書出してる！
今では舞妓さんも芸奴さんにならんと辞めてしまうのはこのせいも有るんと違うやろか？怖いから
ルール守って＞＜！！！
襟に煙草入れるって論外やぞｗ
後が残ったらお仕事できやしまへんわ！
asarityannrabu と
Dt@@MM-un6cg bghcgjcd
喋りたい、近づきたいならお座敷に呼びなさいよ、、。
写真拒んで怒るなんて失礼甚だしい
平気でマナー違反してる時点で、お座敷に上がれない程度の知れた連中だってことがよくわかるよね
ギリギリ許せるのは撮影のみ。それも舞妓さんを足止めしたり、舞妓さんの通行を邪魔するのは駄目だ。かんざし取るとか、タバコを襟に入れ込むなんてもってのほか。
本物見ましたが芸妓のお姉さんと二人さっさと歩いて行かれましたよ。
早かった〜
I completely agree with what those men are doing. Last time I was there, I simply couldn't believe how rude, disrespectful and just plain stupid most tourists were. Some were running after them, shoving their camera in the maiko's face. I think next I'll actually do the same with the tourists, see how they like it.
おや、杏佳さんや
Omg. I had no idea Kyouka's voice was like that. It's so....hypnotic. Like tinkling bells.
O__o
@ewoodham Maikos are not celebrities. They have their own works at Ochaya that's why they're in hurry when they walk. But a lot of foreigners misunderstand their work and the existence of Maiko or Geiko. The Maiko said that some of them throw a cigarette into Maiko's neck and it was really scared her. Those men are not just civilians, but they are owners of traditional Ochaya where Maiko works at.
テロ行為じゃないか。
I'm European, and I really admire maiko and geiko. When I was in Gion, I wanted to take pictures of them, but I've never thought about even touching them. When I asked maikos and geikos to let me take a pic, I said like 「すみませんが、写真を撮らせていただけないでしょうか」. Some left without even looking at me, but I didn't run after them or forced to stop. I just waited for another. There were 3 maikos and 2 geikos who listened to my words, and I can't put it in words how happy I was.
Viki Hollo I'm so glad that you respect this part of culture and understand the difference to call them as "Geisha". Hope you had a good time in Japan and enjoyed your stay! (More than anything I wish that you'll notice my comment because yours was written about 3 years ago....)
I saw some Chinese tourists were acting really bad....
I cannot believe how anybody can take away kanzashi, throw in cigarets in the neck, pull the obis and yell at them when they refuse to take photo.
Gion is not a theme park.
I think ve seen more Caucasians and more foreign looking people doing bad things than actual Asians. Asians normally know the Japanese culture better and so, they respect it more. Chinese, Koreans, Singaporeans
Nah it’s mostly white people who think they’re entitled when they’re in Asia
怖っ。ここら辺写真撮影禁止にしたらいいよ。芸者芸者うるさいし。
I swear, the one who spoke with the shidare is Ayano-san when she was still a young Maiko! The other one looked like young Kyouka-san! It's so crazy to see them when they were so young! I really appreciate the patrol people making sure they're getting to their appointments safely as I'm sure the Maiko and Geiko do as well.
外国人に限らずだとは思うけどね
取材班も同じ
日本人でも京都にさえくれば、ミッキーマウスのように芸舞妓に会えるもんだと思ってる人おるけどな
そんなのとは理由が全っ然違う。
根本的にアジア人に対する差別意識がこの問題の大半を大きく支配している。
i have been to gion an uncountable number of time. and at that time, my partner (japanese) was ashamed of the attitude of the japanese in front of the ichirikitei, running after the girls kneeling on front of them so they had to stop walking or change direction to have their picture taken. i have never seen one foreigner pulling a maiko's kimono or stealing her kanzashi and running away. those old guys are just bored and want some power in this all female society. i call them the hanamacho
at least ask permission from the maiko to get your picture taken with her! my god, have some respect... she is on her way to work for heavens sake!!!
please respect the Maiko's privacy, if u really love Maiko culture u'd spent money going to some resturant that acess new custmers
You have to remember though that, upon entering this profession, the maiko and geiko must realize that there will be many people vying for a picture of them - this is just the nature of the beast. Of course, though, it is definitely in good character to ask first.
こういった外国人を ぶらいの海外旅行者。
まあ白塗りで着物を着て酒席に侍る。外人が考える日本女性のイメージにぴったりなんでしょうね。
I saw some Japanese young teens harassing young Maiko. there are also people pretending to be Chinese or Koreans when they harass a Maiko san. that was very weird to me. why should they need to do that. it is so or so frowned upon😅🤦🏻♀️
yeah right it's the foreigners ! how easy is that ? each time there is a probem in japan, that7s the foreigners. i am half japanese and i can tell you that those old so called patrol bodyguard have no civil right whatsoever to stop anyone from being in the way of a maiko. yes it is rude to stop a girl on her track and force her to have her pic taken but come on, kyoto's economy is 90% based on tourism and what do they use to attract tourist on every brochure, a maiko. who's kidding who
はっ？舞妓さんや芸子さんの苦労も何も知らないでよくそんなこと言えますね。彼女たちはお座敷で待ってるお客様のもとへ行くために町中を歩いてるんです。決して観光客のための演出やエンターテインメントではありません。あなたの意見は尊重しますが、日本人の血が入ってるからって知ったかぶりや他の文化への侮辱はやめたほうがいいですよ。
Are you kidding me? These people are on their way to work and I can tell you that thoses tourists have no civil right whatsoever to stop a maiko for a goddamm picture. Kyoto's economy is 90% based on tourism, you're right but that doesn't mean they have to stop. There is a rule that you cannot stop them for photos.
Maybe you have never seen a maiko being pulled by a foreigner but face the truth the maiko is saying that she got pulled by one. You sound very arrogant and bold just like those old men in front of Ichiriki.
This is a country that is capable of massacring the natives. Bravo!
高貴で高尚で偉大な韓国人は別として、外国人は入街制限したらいいよ。
何言ってんの？