Parry: ‘I Was Glad’ Collection of ‘Vivats’: Kings Edward VII, George V, George VI, Queen Elizabeth Ⅱ
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- A collection of ‘Vivats’ from Parry: ‘I Was Glad When They Said Unto Me’.
The exact words to these ‘Vivats’ are changed pertaining to the crowned/reigning sovereign.
In this video, these changes are exposed with excerpts.
The audio for the ‘Vivats’ of King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra, and King George V and Queen Mary are recreations, whilst original recordings are used for King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, and Queen Elizabeth II’s ‘Vivats’.
Originally intended to be used was footage from ‘A Queen is Crowned’ for Queen Elizabeth II’s ‘Vivats’, as the quality of the visuals are significantly better as it was filmed using 35mm film while the version used in this video is - presumably - a recording of a television broadcast. But as ITV made a copyright claim on said film, it is not possible for it to be used in this video.
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00:00 - Title Sequence
00:11 - King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra
01:45 - King George V and Queen Mary
03:04 - King George VI and Queen Elizabeth
04:46 - Queen Elizabeth II
05:54 - End Title Card
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Sources (Audio):
Adapted from Choir of the King’s Consort, ‘I Was Glad (1911 version)’, in 𝘚𝘢𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘔𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘤 𝘰𝘧 𝘚𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘗𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘺 (Vivat, B00AO3RA74, 2013) [CD].
Adapted from 𝘐 𝘞𝘢𝘴 𝘎𝘭𝘢𝘥 (𝘗𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘺)- 𝘏𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘤 𝘙𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘦𝘳𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘎𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘦 𝘝𝘐 (12 𝘔𝘢𝘺 1937) [online video], George V, (26 March 2018), • I Was Glad (Parry)- Hi... , accessed 21 October 2021.
Adapted from 𝘚𝘪𝘳 𝘊𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘏𝘶𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘵 𝘗𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘺 - 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘎𝘭𝘢𝘥 [online video], Riccardo Bonci, (16 June 2012), • Sir Charles Hubert Par... , accessed 21 October 2021.
Adapted from 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘰𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘘𝘶𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘌𝘭𝘪𝘻𝘢𝘣𝘦𝘵𝘩 𝘐𝘐 [online video], Glyndwr65, (27 January 2008), • The Coronation of Quee... , accessed 22 October 2021.
Images, photographs, paper excerpts &c. are obtained from the collection of the British Library.
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Several generations of church musicians have been waiting our whole lives for this moment!
and generations of King's Scholars missed the opportunity for 70 years. 4 coronations happened between 1900 and 1953, then nothing until may 2023
For me the most melodious version of the Vivat is that of Queen Alexandra
Vivat Elizabetha is the most pleasant to hear. The syllables fit the rhythm.
This was the best part of the coronation. Queen Elizabeth's one was really passionate no doubt it contributed to her longevity.
George VI's vivats started a bit early. Of all of them, Elizabeth II's vivats sounded the most passionate and roarous.
and sure enough of these 4 her reign was the longest; those vivats surely felt like a presage of such.
Thanks for posting. I have waiting all my life to hear Alexandra & EVII. Great.
God Bless You.
I have a copy of the Order of Service, which tells us the Scholars sang Alexandrina and Edwardus. Presumably the next one will be Camilla and Carolus; the one after that, Catharina and Gulielmus.
In Parry’s handwritten score, the words were ‘Vivat Regina Alexandra’. You can see a glimpse of it here: ua-cam.com/video/Tx3UINh4xIc/v-deo.html at 34:47 or purchase a facsimile from the Royal College of Music. Several papers reporting on the event (‘The Guardian’ and ‘The Otago Witness’) also noted that the words followed that score, as can be seen here: www.newspapers.com/newspage/257995258/ and here: paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=OW19020813.2.109
Perhaps there was a misunderstanding when the Order of Service was printed?
@@MarvinClarence I do not know. One possibility is the Westminster-ization of the pronunciation; another thought is the powers that be recalled Queen Victoria's first name was Alexandrina and perhaps that sounded more Latin to their ears! Whatever, when the Order of Service was printed for the Abbey, it read, 'Regina Alexandrina and Rex Edwardus', neither correct by the standards of classical Latin. Which makes me wonder if they will opt for Wilhelmus rather than Gulielmus in the fullness of time!
0:11 Edward VII & Alexandria
1:45 George V & Mary
3:03 George VI & Elizabeth
4:46 Elizabeth II
We've got another one to add to the video now!
❤❤❤I was amazed when the children and gentle men of the royal chapel st James palace sang this part of the coronation ❤❤❤🇿🇲
Marvin, thanks so much for sharing this excellent video! I was wondering if you might have the full coronation music for King George VI in May 1937. I would love to hear it. Thanks again!
Hi! That happens to be one of the videos currently planned, but it’s a priority for you, I suggest you look up the UA-cam channel ‘George V’. There is a playlist there for what you are looking for.
@@MarvinClarence Thank you!
Just uploaded the full coronation broadcast, if you haven't found it elsewhere already
@@georgev9170 Awesome! Thank you! 😀
VIVAT REGINA CAMILLA! VIVAT REX CAROLVS!
I've never seen a Queen more "Queenly" than Elizabeth II she really was chosen by god. A goddess in her own right. Absolutely glorious.
Were there actual recordings from the time of edward & george v? The quality is very good.
I am curious as to whether the acclamations for Edward VII and Alexandra were actually in ecclesiastical Latin in the actual ceremony, as it was in this recreation. I (as an American) was quite bemused the first time I heard the Vivat Elizabetha in Anglicized Latin. I recently posted about this on FB, and a friend in Britain said that until my post he never realized there was another pronunciation!
The acclamations were most likely in Anglicised Latin at the Coronation of King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra.
What I should like to find out, however, is whether or not the Anglicised Latin pronunciation was used before Parry’s setting of ‘I was Glad’. Previous settings did not incorporate the acclamation into the song, so using what pronunciation did the Scholars of Westminster School shout?
@@MarvinClarence From what I understand, Anglicized Latin was used by English speakers until the late 19th/early 20th centuries, so I'd assume that acclamations before Parry's 1902 work would also use the traditional English pronunciation...but I have no background in this and that's a wild guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@MarvinClarence Parry was educated at a public school (Eton) from 1861 to 1867. Anglicised latin pronunciation was taught at the major public schools until the early years of the 20th century.
The scholars at Westminster School continue to this day to use this pronunciation for specific occasions and it is actually termed "Westminster pronunciation".
As "ecclesiastical latin" (Italianate) pronunciation had not yet been universally adopted worldwide for religious texts even by the Roman Catholic church (1904) and authentic latin pronunciation not yet established in education in the UK, you can be certain that "Vivat regina Alexandra" was "sung" by the King's Scholars with the anglicised Westminster pronunciation.
Listen to Vaughan Williams being interviewed in an old recording about his work on the English Hymnal and you will hear him using anglicised latin pronunciation for the name of an ancient plainsong melody, the "tonus peregrinus". He was educated at Charterhouse in the 1880s. In Britten's "Turn of the Screw" (written on the 1950s), the canticle from Morning Prayer parodied by Miles is the "Benedicite", pronounced "Benni-dye-city".
It’s funny that the pronunciation of “vivat” started as “vee-vat” but then changed to “viy-vat.” One wonders why, bc the former Latin pronunciation is correct!
The former is incorrect in the case of Parry’s ‘I was Glad’, as Anglicised Latin is generally used in songs within the Church of England.
@@MarvinClarence So does that mean they'll pronounce "Camilla" as "Camellia"?
@@NWRCB I would imagine they'll just pronounce it as Camilla, if it were Latin I would assume Cam-I-la
There is no correct latin pronunciation. Every country pronounced it differently and no one pronounced it the way the Romans did - "wee-wat". Pius X dictated that Italian pronunciation should be used by the Roman Catholic Church two years after "I was glad" was written for a C of E coronation! You'll still here germanised latin pronunciation in central Europe.
@@MrBulky992You are absolutely correct. Though, even in the Church, Italian pronunciation never took over everywhere. I knew old Boston priests who pronounced their Latin in the way they pronounced “Boston English.” You can hear Cardinal Cushing doing so at JFK’s funeral as well.
Was there a reason why Ecclesiastical Latin was used for King Edward VII's coronation? If so, what was it?
I believe Ecclesiastical Latin was not used at his Coronation, however, I was not able to find another recreation of King Edward VII and Queen Alexandra’s ‘vivats’.
@@MarvinClarence Thanks for this clarification :)
Now you can add Camilla and Carolus
Is the footage you used for Queen Elizabeth (II) available on UA-cam?
Yes, it is! The source material is linked in the video description.
Honestly the coronation of king Charles is my favorite thing to watch this year💓
Can you update this please?
That's the real recording from 1902?
and now we can add Charles III
VIVAT REGINA ELIZABETHA!
I have wondered why the latinaized name of Elizabeth is "Elizabetha" instead of 'Isabella" maybe? As most latin speaking countries refer to her as Reina Isabel II
Isabella is from spain itself. And even in bible use Elizabeth
How will the vivats translate for William and Catherine?
Assuming The Prince of Wales takes the Regnal name of William V, they will likely be called Gulielmus and Catharina.
if the king and queen process separately do we get to hear Parry's anthem twice ?
No, but a rather long fanfare as heard at the Coronation of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth. You can search the full version on UA-cam (it has been cut in this video for brevity).
@@MarvinClarence thanks. All will become clear soon.
In time we shall hear:
Vivat Regina Camilla;
vivat, vivat, vivat!
Vivat Rex Carolus,
vivat, vivat, vivat!
Well, Queen Elizabeth recently passed away, so I guess we'll hear them at the upcoming coronation of King Charles III.
(5/6/23) UPDATE: The new Vivats have been heard as part of the Coronation of King Charles III, with the King and Queen's respective Latin names being mentioned for the first time since the days of King George VI and Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother.
@@alzoraig Two more days to go!! (6 May 2023).
And so we did
We already heard! Vivat Rex Carolus
@@ronin3381 Indeed.
And it was magnificent.
You should add king charles
Could you redo this video with Camilla and Carolus as well please.
In due time!
@@MarvinClarence any progress?
Vivat Regina Camilla! Vivat Rex Carolus! Vivat! Vivat! Vivat!
Maria sounded more like Mariah
Good spot. Up until the 20th century, the name "Maria" was always pronounced as "Mariah" in English or Anglo-Latin (likewise "Sophia" was "So-FYE-ah"). Then it was eclipsed by the pronunciation we're now more familiar with, "ma-REE-ah", which was already used in Italian Church Latin and as an everyday name in Italian- and Spanish-speaking countries. As with the pronunciation of "vivat", the choir is deliberately using the traditional Anglo-Latin pronunciation.
why didnt they vivat rex philip but did it with the other queen consorts?
Because the late Philip, Duke of Edinburgh was not a King.
@@MarvinClarence curious. Woman become queen consort, so there is no king consort?
No. The title of ‘King’ is traditionally perceived to be higher than that of ‘Queen’, so if the style of ‘King Consort’ was given, it may have given the impression that the late Duke of Edinburgh had the higher authority.
@@MarvinClarence makes sense. thank you for clarifying as well for the good video.
I think they do Vivat rex phi-lap,then Elizabeth
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