Best Handwriting Note Taking App to use with Evernote 2018 | Penultimate vs ZoomNotes vs Noteshelf2
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IMPORTANT: If you backup as JPEG from ZoomNotes then handwriting searching will work as for Penultimate and Noteshelf2!!! I didn't mention this in the video!
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Honestly, I like Penultimate. Thanks for recommending this.
Have been using combination of paper notes and Evernote for approx 16 months. Decided to go paperless with new iPad mini and apple pen. Thanks for video
You are very welcome! 😃👍
If you make a change in evernote does it then sync back to noteshelf?
Good information Tom. However, I find the pen/ink in Noteshelf 2 to be inferior to GoodNotes. Writing has a higher latency and the ink just looks fuzzy.
Also, after watching your video I realized that you can accomplish almost the same thing with GoodNotes. Just export your entire notebook as images via app sharing to Evernote. This will look just like the Noteshelf 2 publish. It is not automatic, but if you just do this occasionally or when you’re finished with a notebook you now have it in Evernote for archival and search.
Mikel Manitius Totally agree! Handwriting experience at least on an iPad pro 9.7 is much better in GoodNotes. Latency in Noteshelf 2 is much higher so especially if you‘re writing a little bit faster the app is unusable from my point of view.
Hi Mikel, thanks for your comment and experience sharing! I am using the 2nd Gen iPad Pro 12.7 in and have no latency at all in Noteshelf 2. I even say it has the best handwriting feeling compared to other apps! However, good to see, it is obviously depending on the kind of device you are using. Anyway, I also have a solution for Notability users to sync with Evernote :) Stay tuned!
Perhaps I'm not as fast a writer but I'm using Noteshelf2 on a 9.7" iPad Pro with an Apple Pencil. I think the feel is awesome, look is like pen on paper and have not noticed any latency
Noteshelf 2 has Evernote integration, looks like it might be worth reviewing also.
Well presented Video. I was a power user of Evernote, everything I wanted, when Evernote started charging when used on more three devices. I stopped. Anyway I don’t want to take away from the video. I like this video because you discuss options for people to use which is great. I would never have thought of these combinations.
Thanks a lot for your comment and the positive feedback. Personally I think what Evernote is charging is ok, as they got a lot going on in the background (server structure, security development etc.) If you compare this to other note taking apps like GoodNotes, it is easier for them to charge you once for the initial buy as they don’t need to run servers etc.
Great and helpful video. Gone back and forth among handwriting apps to use with Evernote and agree that Noteshelf2 has, by far, the best note taking "feel" and most options on pens, thickness of line, colors, etc. Actually nicer feel than writing on paper and improves my handwriting. So kudos on that. Not only does Penultimate have the shortcomings noted but writing feel is very scratchy -- as is writing on Evernote directly. But a couple shortcomings to Noteshelf that seem like easy fixes, some of which are better in Penultimate: 1. A great feature of Penultimate (and OneNote) is that the date and time are recorded with each new note created. Noteshelf Diary template kind of addresses this but still would love to have that ability. 2. Another great feature of Penultimate is that, when you have multiple notebooks,, they appear in the Evernote stack as their names in alpha order. With Noteshelf, you can create many notebooks but when synced with Evernote, they all get aggregated in a single notebook called Noteshelf. The notes are then arrayed in order of when they were updated, regardless of their Noteshelf notebook. You can search, that's nice, but you can't just flip through the pages of a single notebook on the Evernote app. 3. There is no Mac app for Noteshelf. Therefore, the only way you can take new notes is on an iPad or iPhone. And that's the only place the individual notebooks can be viewed. 4. Finally, I've had some issue where it took a while for a Noteshelf note to appear in Evernote. You first need to remember to close the notebook in Noteshelf, not merely close the app. Even then, it's sometime taken a day for the note to appear in Evernote. I'd welcome comments. If I'm wrong about any of these points, please set me straight.
Hi Mark! First of all, thanks a lot for your great and detailed feedback! Here is are my answers to your questions:
1. If you zoom out from your page in Noteshelf2, you see the date the page was created
2. You can actually move the Synced notebook in Evernote wherever you want. It will still be syncing with Noteshelf2
3. Yes...that is a shame actually. I would at least want an auto backup in PDF format to GDrive available to look at my notes this way.
4. I heard about the syncing problems before. Thanks for clarifying that you need to close the notebook in order to get it working again!
Thanks a lot, Mark, for being part of the #PaperlessMovement 💚💙
Where do I find the comparison tool please? You didnt put a link to it in your video or your notes unless I missed it. Thanks and thanks for a great video. I too love Noteshelf2
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I have tried many note taking apps. Now I have notes in several different apps. How do I keep track of all the notes in several different note taking apps on my iPad?
This is a good question and a problem many people including myself have. One solution is to focus on one main app of course. However, another approach is deep integration. So please have a look at my blog post here, it might help to understand what I mean by that: tomsolid.com/blog/app-integration-is-key/
exactly what is was wanting! thanks.
Thank you! I am in the process of purchasing an iPad Pro (trying to make the switch from handwriting in notebooks), and looking for note taking apps. Your video provided a lot of useful information. Two questions-- which Paper-like screen works best? Also, did you try the 10 inch iPad Pro for handwriting notes? (I am trying to decide between the 10-inch & 12 inch options.) Thanks again for the wealth of information.
I use an iPad Pro 9.7" and the integration with the Apple Pencil and the feel of writing is awesome. Much better than Penultimate, Evernote itself, Apple Notes, etc., which are all kind of scratchy. A couple shortcoming that I address in my own post above.
Thanks for this really helpful, I'll be looking up your GTD set up after this....
Great video as always! Currently using Squid and Evernote (not linked of course). The way Notshelf syncs with every note is amazing. Are you aware if Noteshelf has plans on developing for an Android platform?
The thing that I like about OneNote and the reason that I use it over Evernote is that you can keep writing as far to be right and down as you want. Evernote allows one page only within the app itself
Good Point!
isn't there way to add more pages?
These are primarily apple based apps. Any android options?
Is it possible to sync specific Note shelf notebook to one Evernote account, and other notebook to some other Evernote account? Are notes from Note shelf searchable in free Evernote version (unpaid)?
Hello, may I share one issue in using noteshelf vs. penultimate with Evernote? Maybe others have similar or different experiences:
Searching for words is more reliable if I have written the same note with penultimate than compared to noteshelf, plus the synchronisation in my case goes quicker in penultimate (probably better integration with EN..)
But penultimate has other drawbacks also...
How do others see that?
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I agree with you, however, I am one of those people when something is free and then you start charging. I say WTF, ha ha and don’t agree to pay. I agree also it is a great application. Oh well my loss. I was using Evernote to store documents when I travel, so one note does the same thing. But I will admit your video got me to rethinking. That’s why this is a excellent video, because it makes me think I could be wrong. I have come to conclusion there is not one product that is perfect. Thanks again.
I agree with you...totally.
does the software come with palm rejection?
Do you also have the problem that the image quality of the exported files in evernote is really bad? I can clearly see the pixels without even zooming in... :/
Thank you Tom for a great video! I use Evernote and the iPadPro with the PaperLike screen protector together with the Apple Pencil. I was looking for a good note taking app which works good together with Evernote!!! I will give Noteshelf 2 a try 👍🏻💪🏻😉
Nice! Let me know how it goes! :)
If you are using android which handwriting apps would you suggest that can be used together with evernote?
+Demetris Constantinou none 😳 The best you can use on Android is MyScript Nebo (but no sync) or Evernotes integrated note features (which is bad on Android and much mire fluent on iOS) sorry 😐
+Demetris Constantinou none 😳 The best you can use on Android is MyScript Nebo (but no sync) or Evernotes integrated note features (which is bad on Android and much mire fluent on iOS) sorry 😐
why do you take notes in landscape? Do you turn notebook paper as well?
Yet another advantage going paperless. Using it in landscape mode is very space saving in front of my PC. Sometimes I have to work in parallel. For letter/daily journal writing I us portrait templates but mostly write in landscape (zoomed in). However, for weekly planning and sketching, I use landscape formats. Another reason is the iPad Cover which only allows landscape position to be raised on one end. I think it comes down to personal preference. However, if new technology offers me flexibility, why not using it?
Palm rejection is enabled with penultimate and apple pencil?
Zoomnotes is far far far best and ahead than others. Using Evernote with zoom notes for a year, and its worth.
very nice review as usual , great job Tom, Can you use the free plan of Evernote or payed subscription to get these features ?
Thanks a lot! Well mostly available in free version! Check out this info help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/209005157-Which-Evernote-product-is-right-for-me-
Noteshelf2 is a great app. However, in Evernote it seems it can't search handwritten docs for specific words. Penultimate can. This is a big deal. If I have this wrong, please share how to search handwritten docs in Noteshelf2. Thanks.
I got the answer for on that ready! Will release a video about it this Sunday, then I am absolutely sure you will be happy ;)
Hi Tom, really like your videos.. i am still confused in how to as an example use Notes Plus and the export the notes to MS One Note . Could you show or explain how it is done.. My company unfortunately uses Microsoft hence I need to transfer my notes
sorry for the late reply. The only way I can think of to import into OneNote is export notes as PDF from Notes Plus.
I like noteshelf2. Why would I link it to Evernote?
Linking it to Evernote makes only sense, if you are an Evernote user :) This way, you can write in Noteshelf and have everything together in Evernote.
Tom Solid thanks. What is the benefit of having both? Should I look into Evernote?
Evernote is a complete different level of taking notes. it is more like organising and getting things done with it
Thank you for the video. I just downloaded the Noteshelf 2 app to my phone and ipad 10 - HOW DO YOU get the diary feature as shown on your screen ( mark 18:06) ? Very clean looking. Thank you in advance for your response.
It is a free template you can select within Noteshelf2. If it is not available, you need to download it also within Noteshelf2 it might be the case, that you need to sign up for the Noteshelf2 club in order to get this. I am not sure as I am a long term member already and cannot remember what was available without the subscription. However, it is free! 👍
Thank you Sir! I appreciate you.!
Thanks again- I investigated the knowledge base and am not finding the solution to how I change the Date, Day and year on this template. Any suggestions?
Oh this is Not changeable if you mean to change the date on each page. It is just a „PDF“ that serves as a background you can write on. Why would you need to change the date of a yearly diary book?
Tom Solid thank you for clarifying this for me. I assumed it created a new chronological updated date on the page. I understand now this is a static page.
Just checking: If a note is synced to Evernote, is it still adjustable in Noteshelf 2? And then it syncs again and adjust the Evernote version? And what if I adjust a Evernote version of a note? How will this appear in Noteshelf 2?
It is a one way sync. If you change your note in Noteshelf2 it will be update in Evernote nearly instantly. But in Evernote it is only readable not changeable.
Thanks. Keep up the good work!
Hi Tom how about Noteshelf 2: if I write on a PDF on Noteshelf, and sync with Evernote, how does the PDF appear on Evernote iOS app?
I’m looking for an application that shows me the PDFs inline as like as the desktop version.
Another info: if I edit the PDF later, do the edits are synced again on Evernote?
I ask this because I have very long documents in PDF that I read in many days.
Thank you!
Yes, Noteshelf2 will update PDFs if you change it afterward. It stays in sync. Furthermore, PDFs are visible in Evernote like images. However, you cannot change anything from within Evernote you need to go back to Noteshelf2 to do this.
It's the same as Penultimate, if I remember: if I want to change something on a note written with Penultimate, I have to go to Penultimate. Is it?
Yep.
Thank you very much man!
You are very welcome mate 😉👍
Myscript Nebo syncs to Evernote. Why did you not try that app?
I just watched this video and found this is where you get the Daily Journal but I cannit figure how to download the Daily Journal. Can you please explain how to do this. I already use Evernote every day but I do not like penultimate.Please explain how you get the Journal and all the covers and paper on Noteshelf 2. Thanks
My notes was vanish from Evernote s suddenly , what should I do now
Contact Evernote Support. Only they can help you in this case.
Thank you Tom for your help. Let me go through this app and will update you shortly, for my sync. with Evernote.
Zoomnotes have now gone very very improve.. have a look to recent updated ones..
Does zoomnotes has a Google drive back-up?
@@rahulnarang3504 yes..it has..that too both .znd and .pdf files..
Thinking about this a little further it occurred to me that that perhaps this (export pages as images into Evernote) would work in Notability. I really like Notability and the only thing keeping me from using it instead of GoodNotes is OCR. So if I could easily just export an entire notebook this way (as images) into Evernote then I'd be able to search them later (since Evernote performs the OCR). Sadly however, Notability does not support export as image, only as export as PDF (and two other formats that don't apply). And you've already covered in this video why PDF in Evernote is not as useful...
Hm...if you sync your notebooks to a cloud via auto backup, you could use an automation service like ITFFF or Zapier to sync those files with Evernote! I plan to cover this in another video but need to make more research about it first. :)
Are you talking Apple ?
Can't you write directly in Evernote?
Yes you can, but its performance is far from comparable to Noteshelf 2.
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