Tom Solid Thanks for the update Tom. I still love the writing experience and pens of Noteshelf 2, but I downloaded GoodNotes 4 for its features the other day. So I do my Bullet Journaling in Noteshelf 2 and use GoodNotes where it’s special features are best.
Watched your video and bought Noteshelf 2. I started notetaking on my iPad 2 with Noteshelf, but switched to GoodNotes because of the file system and pens. I used NS2 for about 3 days and switched back. It's good, but here's where it falls short: GN4 allows for cut & paste of text from .pdf docs, and allows for selection of text with definition and look up. This is essential for my doctoral research and notetaking. Next, the ability to search words and phrases and (though I don't use it that much) converting handwritten text to type. Finally, the customization of the notebook covers is more comprehensive with GN4. I didn't think this would be such a big deal, but I need to find research articles by title and author; the workflow for this is a bit more simple in GN4. There are things I like about NS2, but GN4 has the robust features I need. Now, for the important question: WHEN IS GOODNOTES GOING TO RELEASE VERSION 5!?
Thanks for this very deep insight into your experiences with Noteshelf2! I agree with you and I will sent this info to the developers in the hope they will at least add the PDF text selection/copy possibility very soon! No info about GoodNotes5 so far... :(
Great re-review! I've long known that Goodnotes has more features you can count than Noteshelf 2 has, but for me, first and foremost is the quality of the handwriting that is generated on the app. I've always struggled in that department with Goodnotes and found Noteshelf 2 to be the best of the best IMO. For that reason alone I find that I use noteshelf 2 more than any other. It's a great thing that these developers seem to be listening to the customers and providing great updates that expand the capabilities and features. One of my small list of wishes I had for noteshelf 2 was the ability to rotate an imported image. I had no idea you could do it until you demonstrated. The other is for a more free-form or other variation on cropping beyond simply rectangular.
Tom, thanks for the great video. I have been using goodnotes for almost a year and love it but after watching this I may give noteshelf2 a try. I love the modern look of noteshelf2 and I do see your difference in handwriting. I mostly just write notes in my notebooks so don't see a need for hyperlinks or pictures. Keep up the great work you do, it is a great help for those of us that are learning handwriting apps on ipad.
Great video as usual. I don't know why, but I watch your videos from beginning to end everytime. I mean most UA-camrs seem overly excited so I tend to just skip through the video, but you seem like a normal person who knows what he's talking about (And your accent is very relaxing 😌). Always informative.
I've just recently discovered this channel. You have been helping me a lot; thanks to your tips I'll change the way I give my lectures next semester! Congrats from Brasil!
As much as NoteShelf 2 is good, one feature though I’m missing is being able to flip pages in notebooks in natural way which they had earlier version of NoteShelf
Hey Tom. Just a couple of questions that you didn't address on the video: 1) Are different paper sizes available in Noteshelf? 2) If you write on images and move them around, will the writing on the images also move with it? If it doesn't, can you use the lasso tool and just move things around together? I'm curious because I'd want to import images and label them. I know Notability does it but Goodnotes doesn't. 3) Can you manipulate the size of grid boxes if you choose to use grid paper? 4) Is the Apple pencil input affected by screen protectors at all? 5) How good is the writing recognition with cursive? Sorry for all the questions. No video has answered all my questions. If all of those aren't available on Noteshelf 2, does any other app have all these functions? Thanks in advance!
It is really interesting how far both of these apps have come. Being new to note taking I have found your channel very informative, however sometimes when you are jumping between apps I loose track of which you are using. Please keep up the great work. Cheers Drew
Fantastic video Tom 👌 I’m slowly making the jump to paperless, and in no small part, thanks to you 😊 You’re a great presenter, and I look forward to you’re videos and reviews, they are truly top-notch 👌
Which is bettet good notes 4 or Note Shelf 2 for you My Problem is the Dropbox sync in ns2 And back up It isnt in pdf And good Notes have excelennt back up And sync with Dropbox So your advice for me in all Points which app is better
Thank you for your reviews. I've been a GoodNotes4 user since I bought my first Adonit pen and I'm happy about it and looking forward to GoodNotes5 to come out, but when I upgraded to the iPad Pro + Apple Pencil during the back to school offer last August I've seen a lot of iPad Pro user suggest that the best note taking app was Notability, after I found your channel I could understand that it wasn’t what I was looking for, so I stayed with GN4. Now after this last review I've decide to invest in Noteshelf2 and use it along with GN4. Keep on going!
Thanks a lot for the positive feedback! I hope you are happy with your decision. Cannot wait to see what GoodNotes5 will offer when it is finished. :) Big hopes!
In 2001, I told my friends in college that paper and pen will become obsolete, and they laughed. Now the paperless movement has started which I welcomed it. PAPERalype has begun lol.
Ich habe jetzt extra Noteshelf gekauft. Wenn man vom Workflow ausgeht ist GN immer noch das beste Tool. Notability hat in der letzten Zeit sehr geile Updates gemacht und das Schreibgefühl und die Suchfunktionen sind phantastisch. Noteshelf ist auch geil. Vom Schreibgefühl für mich aber noch nicht wie Notability und GoodNotes. Ich habe GoodNotes im Studium verwendet um meine PDF‘s zu beschriften. Es muss relativ flott gehen. Deswegen finde ich GN gut: Schreibfluss-perfekt, Markierung: super... kann als gerader strich ausgeführt werden+Deckt den Text nicht ab.- quasi Layer unter text. Lasso tool kann gezielt nur Text, nur Markierung, nur Handschrift oder alle drei auswählen. Formen zur Auswahl. Radierer hat auch verschiedene Funktionen. Und und und. Es sind alle drei geile Tools und es gibt noch welche die auch geil sind. Zb Notes Plus, UPAD, Whink und Pen&Paper.
Hi Tom, how would you describe the difference in feel of writing in both apps. I just bought good notes and I like it, but I am thinking about noteshelf2 too mainly for the better feel of writing. Thanks
It is really hard to describe and surely a subjective feeling! However, with NoteShelf 2 it just feels and looks more like my actual handwriting on paper. So for that reason, I think the writing experience in NoteShelf 2 is awesome!
How is the battery life of note share ive been using good notes but it drains my battery after a full note taking day my ipads either just barely at 5% or its died before the end if my last lecture. (From 100% battery to about 4% after 4 hours screen time)
Hi Tom, congratulations for your work, i liked very much of your review of notes plus and i have bought the app, but to be honest I’m having some bugs with it, sometimes it freezes or stop scrolling etc. it seam to be a very complete app but lacks a better support. i have bought the notes plus because the writing text conversion and the searchable hand writing notes, in your opinion does the writing feel of noteshelf 2 is better ? And do you think that is worth the change from notes plus to noteshelf 2? Thanks for your help
Thanks for reaching out and your kind words about my work! :) If it comes to handwriting, in my personal opinion none of the common note-taking apps are better at it than Noteshelf2! However, it will lack handwriting recognition. So you should have a look at my comparison tool on ww.tomsolid.com before deciding for which one you should go for.
Hello, I’d like to know if it’s possible to update a document/note in noteshelf2 after syncing it to Evernote and if it gets updated on evernote. I’m thinking maybe having a journal or a diary or any other type of document that needs to be constantly updated. Is it possible? Thanks in advance, I don’t want to pay for the app before knowing that.
Hi there! Yes, as soon you change anything in Noteshelf2 it will be updated in Evernote. However, you can only edit your note in Noteshelf2 but not in Evernote directly. Does this answer your question?
Hi, can you make a review on Upad? There’s not much review about this app. I am considering it primarily for the Table feature. Are there any other note-taking app that has that feature too? Thanks
I noticed that Noteshelf is making an Android app. I downloaded the beta on my Google Pixelbook. I emailed them and they said they are going to make the app up to par with the IOS version. I can't wait! One thing I am jealous of is the amount of better note-taking apps that IOS has than what Android has to offer. Not enough to get me to switch though lol
Hi Tom, hope you are doing good! One question. Now I also got noteshelf 2 and I was wondering how you got the days and dates in the 2018 diary notebook? I downloaded the 2018 diay 4 but there are only empty pages inside. Hope you can help me out here.
Hello there is one thing that noteshelf 2 cannot do and notability can: notability has a better PDF editor than noteshelf 2 . For example if I want to cut and copy any of the contents on the PDF text into another PDF text all I have to do is to cut or copy and paste it into a other document. Noteshelf 2 cannot do this. I wish it could do this! Because I need to stamp many documents , and Alli do is scan the document into notability and then cut or copy my company logo stamp and paste it into my scanned document. Can you please ask noteshelf 2 to include this into their next update. If the do this I will change from notability to noteshelf 2 because I think noteshelf 2 is much better than notability!
Great video, thanks for keeping us up to date! I see that Notability now allows us to insert space into notes, joining OneNote. Really need this functionality if I am to move away from OneNote.
Tom Solid oops! You are right! It was the last video on Word including handwriting that showed that! So I guess this is a Microsoft only feature, one I find indispensable for my use.
Thanks for the many tests and reports. Do you only use apps that can be operated with handwriting and pencil or could you also say something about Agenda and / or Bear for iOS?
Very good question and awesome feedback! Thanks! I will release videos about Evernote and Todoist in the near future! I can talk loads about those, and things not covered on UA-cam yet 😉 I am also planning to explain also my health tracking systems and my smart home automations. It is called #PaperlessMovement and not paperless note-taking Movement, right? 😄
I fully agree with you, Tom. My grain of salt: what made me switch from GoodNotes to Noteshelf is that (for me, personally) Noteshelf is just so much more fun to use. The UI is much more intuitive than GoodNotes (the tools I need are easily accessible at any given moment). As you said: they listen to their community. Though I cannot deny that GoodNotes is way more capable than Noteshelf, the UI of the app just slows down my workflow too much. I actually got bored with it. I miss the handwriting recognition, though.
Totally agree with you. Noteshelf 2 is just fun to use! Handwriting recognition is an option in Noteshelf2 if you are an Evernote user. They plan to sync it in a way, that once your note is recognized by Evernote OCR it will become searchable in Noteshelf 2!
Great video and demo. I am leaning towards Noteshelf2 because it’s more modern and up to date but I’m also interested in digital planning like how Boho Berry demonstrated on her YT channel. She developed a pdf for digital planning for goodnotes4 and am wondering if Noteshelf2 has the capability to run it and have same functions as well as Import artwork from Procreate and ability to upload own fonts to use.
Yes it can do all of that. Although not sure about custom fonts though... But yeah with the recent updates you can use digital planners too. Happy you like the video! Stay tuned, as I will soon release video about Notability....there is a big update on the horizon ;)
Thank you very much for you’re información, thanks to you I am trying to leve my clasic note book. I am a dentist from México and I am very happy using Noteshelf.
Bought Notes plus after watching your review on it last year, but its terrible app, it shows resistance while writing so not recommended for more than 3 to 4 hours of writing. I really need to switch Notes Plus but confus sh. between Noteshelf 2 & Good Notes. Can you please help me, I want to use split screen drag and drop support from Note taking app like Note shelf 2 to other apps like email, PDF, etc. and vice versa with handwritten to text conversion. Thanks.
The GoodNotes ability to move handwritten text to another app and have it converted to text automatically is amazing? What is the name of the Task Manager you featured? This may solve a desire I have for managing task lists. I currently use Notes+, but having the ability to handwrite a task and then have it "managed" by a Task Manager app would be a major improvement for me. Thank you Mr. Solid for the interesting comparison between the two Apps. NotesShelf does have some nice features, but I agree with you, at this juncture GoodNotes is a better app holistically. I still like Notes+ for it's features, but will seriously consider GoodNotes for the initial entry of handwritten tasks for its aforementioned powerful export capability.
The task manager I use is ToDoist geni.us/AppStoreToDoist I am writing an eBook at the moment in which I will describe and show in videos how I use my major systems ToDoist, Evernote geni.us/AppStoreEvernote , GoodNotes4 geni.us/AppStoreGoodNotes4 and Spark geni.us/AppStoreSpark . Although my system can be adapted with many other apps too.
@@paperlessmove Looks very interesting to see how you use your major systems together. This is something I've been working on myself for some years with a focus on e-mail clients and task management tools. I've worked with Spark to improve the quality of their Evernote integration, so that should be working fine now. Although I personally would not have chosen a table with email headers and "Open in Spark" button 😉
All I can say is, that I really hope it for them to publish an overhaul of Notes Plus (especially the handwriting). Otherwise even the third position on my website will be lost. Noteshelf2 is really doing it right and they are putting on real pressure. They listen to their fans and deliver. Fingers crossed that this is a wake up call for Notes Plus developers.
Do any of these note taking apps allow you to add additional paper in notes you have already written on a page? I want to be able to add notes above notes I just wrote
ok, this is only possible by dragging away the text you have written. But you cannot create more space on an exciting note I am afraid. It would be a good feature though!
Out of the game? Notes Plus is a different game. 😉 As I always say, to find the right app is a very subjective journey. And if you check my website, it is still in my game. You are happy with it?
Tom Solid I was happy, then I bought Noteshelf and I like it more for the way I use things. BUT every so often I want to circle something and make it into text and I cry again.
Haha, now we are talking the same language! I think the same very often. The way you can handle things in Notes Plus only by using your pencil is just awesome... 🤓
I agree. But the Noteshelf UI, pen feel, ways to add pages (multiple), way to duplicate and re-order pages... all of it feels radically more reliable as a way of working for me. That’s even before I have made any custom layouts. By the way, Penultimate offers custom page layouts (I think you implied this was unique to Noteshelf).
I love that I can send info to Evernote but wish I could also have the ability to insert info and move it around from a pdf. Great site and great information, thank you !
It really depends on what you want the app to use for. e.g. Notability has audio recording and GoodNotes doesn’t offer this yet. You might want to have a look at my note taking app comparison table? This way it is easiest to find out what is best for you! ua-cam.com/video/GDVCiwh6JWs/v-deo.html
i actually purchades goodnotes before looking at your comparison table, and was bummed since the main feature im looking for is the password protection lol. so what would you recommend between noteshelf 2 and notes plus? i like the feature of noteshelf 2 that i saw from your website but i heard its unstable?
Oh bummer :) I never hat stability problems with Noteshelf2. If you don't need handwriting recognition I think Noteshelf2 is great, however, if you want to test Notes Plus for free to check how its handwriting feels to you, you can watch this ua-cam.com/video/Exv4tDJVVDk/v-deo.html
Nicht die Menge an Vorlagen macht die Verwendbarkeit aus... sondern der Workflow. Dazu musst du einigen Zeit die App verwenden. Das kann man durch einmal hinsitzen und Vorlagen und anderer Mengenvergleich nicht sagen.
I am using NS2 for teaching at different universities. NS2 is great - at least, a pointer is missing inside the app ... The only thing I have to mention as not suitable.
i bought noteshelf 2 because of the various covers and templates they offer. I also bought goodnotes due to its unique ocr recoginition feature, but i have to say the writing experience with goodnotes is horrendous, considered that i have to write notes in chinese not only just western letters, my handwriting looks 100 times worse than my actual handwriting on paper. So now I only use goodnotes for vocabulary learning, all my other notes are in noteshelf2.
Thanks for the very detailed information! I know what you mean. However, the OCR GoodNotes uses is provided by MyScript and Notes Plus and Nebo are using the same! Did you know that? :)
Tom Solid thanks for your reply. yes but in nebo once you create a notebook, you can only choose one language for that notebook to be recognized. it’s basic useless for me. i will see more about notes plus and decide whether i should purchase it.
Great review! Noteshelf 1.21 (3 weeks ago) introduced clickable links and 1.24 (2 weeks ago) searchable text. So what is the problem with the clickable links in Noteshelf that Goodnotes solves?
Thanks for the positive feedback! However, it seems there was a misunderstanding as I tried to point exactly this out, that Noteshelf2 now also is able to handle PDFs in the way GoodNotes does it! So it seems I didn't make this clear? Sorry for confusion then... :(
Thanks for the kind words 😉 However, the amazing thing I showed in GoodNotes was that my handwriting was automatically converted into a clickable hyperlink! And this NoteShelf is not capable to do yet.
All I know so far about GoodNotes5 I provided in this post and it looks like the will disappoint you when it comes to pen styles: www.paperlessmovement.com/blog/goodnotes-5-what-will-it-look-like/
Nice review Tom. GoodNotes is my favorite but I saw so many negative reviews far Noteshelf 2 that I have not upgraded. It looks good but I still like Good Notes features are the best. You mentioned Good Notes 5-are you testing a beta version. I've been waiting excitedly for some of the features they've indicated are coming but there hasn't been an update in ages! Any idea when they will release GNS or an update to 4?
Tom Solid Thanks for the reply. I really wish they would share something on their blog about what their plans are. They are mostly just recycling old blog posts on Twitter.
@tomsolid, what do make of the fact that the GoodNotes team changed the app icon on their website and twitter channel to the app icon of the suspected GoodNotes 5 app? Does that mean that the release of GoodNotes 5 is imminent?
Thanks for sharing your experience with us! However, you can use Noteshelf2 as well in Split screen of any type you like. Or what do you mean by "tab open"?
Tom Solid yeah I know that! But I can’t write properly if use the split screen function, and sometimes I have to write in my notebook and in a pdf at the same time! So I need to have more than one tab open to do it
Gosh, now I want to buy Noteshelf 2. I didn’t even know there was one. I have noteshelf 1... Edit: will wait for GoodNotes 5 LOL. Using GoodNotes 4 but as you say, the user interface is clearly dated
Hi Tom, that trick moving your handwriting into Todoist, and it auto-converting...is that a Todoist only thing? I’ve tried a few different programs, aas well as my task manager (MeisterTask) but it wouldn’t move over. Any special thing I may not be doing?
This video would have been more helpful to me if you only showed your screen so that it would have been closer and easier to see (rather than showing you a and the screen in the corner).
Very good review, the pens would be important to me noteshelf. On another note still having problems with hand writing. I partially solved the problem by using the text box. I hope some upgrades in pens are coming to goodnotes. Very interesting to copy from goodnotes into todoist
► If you are looking for the note-taking app paper template that I showed in this video, you can get it from here paperlessmovement.shop/
Tom Solid Thanks for the update Tom. I still love the writing experience and pens of Noteshelf 2, but I downloaded GoodNotes 4 for its features the other day. So I do my Bullet Journaling in Noteshelf 2 and use GoodNotes where it’s special features are best.
You are very welcome! I do it the same way at the moment ;)
Hello Tom, do we need a premium version of TODOIST to use the drag and drop task function???
No, you can use this functionality with any text field in any app 👍
Thanks Tom!!!! I figured this out!!!
Watched your video and bought Noteshelf 2. I started notetaking on my iPad 2 with Noteshelf, but switched to GoodNotes because of the file system and pens. I used NS2 for about 3 days and switched back. It's good, but here's where it falls short: GN4 allows for cut & paste of text from .pdf docs, and allows for selection of text with definition and look up. This is essential for my doctoral research and notetaking. Next, the ability to search words and phrases and (though I don't use it that much) converting handwritten text to type. Finally, the customization of the notebook covers is more comprehensive with GN4. I didn't think this would be such a big deal, but I need to find research articles by title and author; the workflow for this is a bit more simple in GN4. There are things I like about NS2, but GN4 has the robust features I need. Now, for the important question:
WHEN IS GOODNOTES GOING TO RELEASE VERSION 5!?
Thanks for this very deep insight into your experiences with Noteshelf2! I agree with you and I will sent this info to the developers in the hope they will at least add the PDF text selection/copy possibility very soon! No info about GoodNotes5 so far... :(
If goodnotes had audio I’d be done searching
i too purchased Noteshelf but after 2 days shift to Goodnotes..Auto Backup feature is awesome in Goodnotes.
@@davewilson13 I stg bro.
Great re-review!
I've long known that Goodnotes has more features you can count than Noteshelf 2 has, but for me, first and foremost is the quality of the handwriting that is generated on the app. I've always struggled in that department with Goodnotes and found Noteshelf 2 to be the best of the best IMO. For that reason alone I find that I use noteshelf 2 more than any other.
It's a great thing that these developers seem to be listening to the customers and providing great updates that expand the capabilities and features. One of my small list of wishes I had for noteshelf 2 was the ability to rotate an imported image. I had no idea you could do it until you demonstrated. The other is for a more free-form or other variation on cropping beyond simply rectangular.
Thanks for this detailed comment on your experiences! Happy it helped, and totally agree with the handwriting feeling :)
Tom, thanks for the great video. I have been using goodnotes for almost a year and love it but after watching this I may give noteshelf2 a try. I love the modern look of noteshelf2 and I do see your difference in handwriting. I mostly just write notes in my notebooks so don't see a need for hyperlinks or pictures. Keep up the great work you do, it is a great help for those of us that are learning handwriting apps on ipad.
Thanks a lot for this great Feedback Rsmin! Motivates to keep going with my "Paperless Movement" project. Tell your friends! ;)
Great video as usual. I don't know why, but I watch your videos from beginning to end everytime. I mean most UA-camrs seem overly excited so I tend to just skip through the video, but you seem like a normal person who knows what he's talking about (And your accent is very relaxing 😌). Always informative.
Oh wow, this feedback leaves me speechless 😳 and this doesn’t happen very often as you know 😁 Thanks!
I find the zoom in essential for accuracy and neatness ... even with apple pencil, so the helpline is cool
I've just recently discovered this channel. You have been helping me a lot; thanks to your tips I'll change the way I give my lectures next semester! Congrats from Brasil!
As much as NoteShelf 2 is good, one feature though I’m missing is being able to flip pages in notebooks in natural way which they had earlier version of NoteShelf
True.
Hey Tom. Just a couple of questions that you didn't address on the video:
1) Are different paper sizes available in Noteshelf?
2) If you write on images and move them around, will the writing on the images also move with it? If it doesn't, can you use the lasso tool and just move things around together? I'm curious because I'd want to import images and label them. I know Notability does it but Goodnotes doesn't.
3) Can you manipulate the size of grid boxes if you choose to use grid paper?
4) Is the Apple pencil input affected by screen protectors at all?
5) How good is the writing recognition with cursive?
Sorry for all the questions. No video has answered all my questions.
If all of those aren't available on Noteshelf 2, does any other app have all these functions?
Thanks in advance!
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It is really interesting how far both of these apps have come. Being new to note taking I have found your channel very informative, however sometimes when you are jumping between apps I loose track of which you are using. Please keep up the great work. Cheers Drew
Thanks a lot for this feedback! This really helps to understand what I can improve in future videos! 👍
Currently I use Goodnotes 4 but I'm loving hearing about all of these updates to Noteshelf 2. I may switch over now haha great work!
Fantastic video Tom 👌
I’m slowly making the jump to paperless, and in no small part, thanks to you 😊
You’re a great presenter, and I look forward to you’re videos and reviews, they are truly top-notch 👌
Awesome! Thanks a lot for those kind words! *motivationalboost* 🚀
Which is bettet good notes 4 or Note Shelf 2 for you
My Problem is the Dropbox sync in ns2
And back up
It isnt in pdf And good Notes have excelennt back up And sync with Dropbox
So your advice for me in all Points which app is better
Thank you for your reviews. I've been a GoodNotes4 user since I bought my first Adonit pen and I'm happy about it and looking forward to GoodNotes5 to come out, but when I upgraded to the iPad Pro + Apple Pencil during the back to school offer last August I've seen a lot of iPad Pro user suggest that the best note taking app was Notability, after I found your channel I could understand that it wasn’t what I was looking for, so I stayed with GN4. Now after this last review I've decide to invest in Noteshelf2 and use it along with GN4. Keep on going!
Thanks a lot for the positive feedback! I hope you are happy with your decision. Cannot wait to see what GoodNotes5 will offer when it is finished. :) Big hopes!
In 2001, I told my friends in college that paper and pen will become obsolete, and they laughed. Now the paperless movement has started which I welcomed it. PAPERalype has begun lol.
Hehe, same for me. :D Highfives! ;)
So do I go with Noteshelf or Notability?
Ich habe jetzt extra Noteshelf gekauft. Wenn man vom Workflow ausgeht ist GN immer noch das beste Tool. Notability hat in der letzten Zeit sehr geile Updates gemacht und das Schreibgefühl und die Suchfunktionen sind phantastisch.
Noteshelf ist auch geil. Vom Schreibgefühl für mich aber noch nicht wie Notability und GoodNotes. Ich habe GoodNotes im Studium verwendet um meine PDF‘s zu beschriften. Es muss relativ flott gehen. Deswegen finde ich GN gut: Schreibfluss-perfekt, Markierung: super... kann als gerader strich ausgeführt werden+Deckt den Text nicht ab.- quasi Layer unter text. Lasso tool kann gezielt nur Text, nur Markierung, nur Handschrift oder alle drei auswählen. Formen zur Auswahl. Radierer hat auch verschiedene Funktionen. Und und und. Es sind alle drei geile Tools und es gibt noch welche die auch geil sind. Zb Notes Plus, UPAD, Whink und Pen&Paper.
Hi Tom, how would you describe the difference in feel of writing in both apps. I just bought good notes and I like it, but I am thinking about noteshelf2 too mainly for the better feel of writing.
Thanks
It is really hard to describe and surely a subjective feeling! However, with NoteShelf 2 it just feels and looks more like my actual handwriting on paper. So for that reason, I think the writing experience in NoteShelf 2 is awesome!
How is the battery life of note share ive been using good notes but it drains my battery after a full note taking day my ipads either just barely at 5% or its died before the end if my last lecture. (From 100% battery to about 4% after 4 hours screen time)
Hi Tom, congratulations for your work, i liked very much of your review of notes plus and i have bought the app, but to be honest I’m having some bugs with it, sometimes it freezes or stop scrolling etc. it seam to be a very complete app but lacks a better support. i have bought the notes plus because the writing text conversion and the searchable hand writing notes, in your opinion does the writing feel of noteshelf 2 is better ? And do you think that is worth the change from notes plus to noteshelf 2? Thanks for your help
Thanks for reaching out and your kind words about my work! :) If it comes to handwriting, in my personal opinion none of the common note-taking apps are better at it than Noteshelf2! However, it will lack handwriting recognition. So you should have a look at my comparison tool on ww.tomsolid.com before deciding for which one you should go for.
Hello, I’d like to know if it’s possible to update a document/note in noteshelf2 after syncing it to Evernote and if it gets updated on evernote. I’m thinking maybe having a journal or a diary or any other type of document that needs to be constantly updated. Is it possible? Thanks in advance, I don’t want to pay for the app before knowing that.
Hi there! Yes, as soon you change anything in Noteshelf2 it will be updated in Evernote. However, you can only edit your note in Noteshelf2 but not in Evernote directly. Does this answer your question?
@@paperlessmove it does, thank you very much.
Love watching your vids, your reviews are helpful in deciding which Notes app I should use in college. For now, Notability is still king!!
Hi, can you make a review on Upad? There’s not much review about this app. I am considering it primarily for the Table feature. Are there any other note-taking app that has that feature too? Thanks
I noticed that Noteshelf is making an Android app. I downloaded the beta on my Google Pixelbook. I emailed them and they said they are going to make the app up to par with the IOS version. I can't wait! One thing I am jealous of is the amount of better note-taking apps that IOS has than what Android has to offer. Not enough to get me to switch though lol
Hi Tom, hope you are doing good! One question. Now I also got noteshelf 2 and I was wondering how you got the days and dates in the 2018 diary notebook? I downloaded the 2018 diay 4 but there are only empty pages inside. Hope you can help me out here.
Should have tried harder myself first. Now I managed to get the calender paper BUT it starts with 1st of December :) How could I fix that? Any idea?
:) also fixed this thingy now: i just searched for june and then went down to todays date :) take care!
Sometimes it is not too bad to not be able to answer right away as things getting solved without my reply anyway. :D
Hello there is one thing that noteshelf 2 cannot do and notability can: notability has a better PDF editor than noteshelf 2 . For example if I want to cut and copy any of the contents on the PDF text into another PDF text all I have to do is to cut or copy and paste it into a other document. Noteshelf 2 cannot do this. I wish it could do this! Because I need to stamp many documents , and Alli do is scan the document into notability and then cut or copy my company logo stamp and paste it into my scanned document. Can you please ask noteshelf 2 to include this into their next update. If the do this I will change from notability to noteshelf 2 because I think noteshelf 2 is much better than notability!
I everytime comes back to noteshelf, because of the much better looking handwriting
Great video, thanks for keeping us up to date! I see that Notability now allows us to insert space into notes, joining OneNote. Really need this functionality if I am to move away from OneNote.
Thanks! Happy you like it! Is that true about Notability? It offers that?
Tom Solid oops! You are right! It was the last video on Word including handwriting that showed that! So I guess this is a Microsoft only feature, one I find indispensable for my use.
Thanks for the many tests and reports. Do you only use apps that can be operated with handwriting and pencil or could you also say something about Agenda and / or Bear for iOS?
Very good question and awesome feedback! Thanks! I will release videos about Evernote and Todoist in the near future! I can talk loads about those, and things not covered on UA-cam yet 😉 I am also planning to explain also my health tracking systems and my smart home automations. It is called #PaperlessMovement and not paperless note-taking Movement, right? 😄
Have goodNotes and Notability . Haven't used noteshelf yet. Can't wait to try it out
I fully agree with you, Tom.
My grain of salt: what made me switch from GoodNotes to Noteshelf is that (for me, personally) Noteshelf is just so much more fun to use. The UI is much more intuitive than GoodNotes (the tools I need are easily accessible at any given moment). As you said: they listen to their community. Though I cannot deny that GoodNotes is way more capable than Noteshelf, the UI of the app just slows down my workflow too much. I actually got bored with it. I miss the handwriting recognition, though.
Totally agree with you. Noteshelf 2 is just fun to use! Handwriting recognition is an option in Noteshelf2 if you are an Evernote user. They plan to sync it in a way, that once your note is recognized by Evernote OCR it will become searchable in Noteshelf 2!
Tom Solid Hi Tom, when are they planning to do?
I have no idea when this will be implemented. Sorry.
I’m loving in noteshelf 2... has everything I need. I also can customize my templates
Great video and demo. I am leaning towards Noteshelf2 because it’s more modern and up to date but I’m also interested in digital planning like how Boho Berry demonstrated on her YT channel. She developed a pdf for digital planning for goodnotes4 and am wondering if Noteshelf2 has the capability to run it and have same functions as well as Import artwork from Procreate and ability to upload own fonts to use.
Yes it can do all of that. Although not sure about custom fonts though... But yeah with the recent updates you can use digital planners too. Happy you like the video! Stay tuned, as I will soon release video about Notability....there is a big update on the horizon ;)
Tom Solid thank you so much for the quick reply! Maybe I should wait until your review on Notability. =)
Thank you very much for you’re información, thanks to you I am trying to leve my clasic note book. I am a dentist from México and I am very happy using Noteshelf.
You are very welcome and I am happy it helped you! :)
Bought Notes plus after watching your review on it last year, but its terrible app, it shows resistance while writing so not recommended for more than 3 to 4 hours of writing. I really need to switch Notes Plus but confus sh. between Noteshelf 2 & Good Notes. Can you please help me, I want to use split screen drag and drop support from Note taking app like Note shelf 2 to other apps like email, PDF, etc. and vice versa with handwritten to text conversion. Thanks.
The GoodNotes ability to move handwritten text to another app and have it converted to text automatically is amazing? What is the name of the Task Manager you featured? This may solve a desire I have for managing task lists. I currently use Notes+, but having the ability to handwrite a task and then have it "managed" by a Task Manager app would be a major improvement for me. Thank you Mr. Solid for the interesting comparison between the two Apps. NotesShelf does have some nice features, but I agree with you, at this juncture GoodNotes is a better app holistically. I still like Notes+ for it's features, but will seriously consider GoodNotes for the initial entry of handwritten tasks for its aforementioned powerful export capability.
The task manager I use is ToDoist geni.us/AppStoreToDoist I am writing an eBook at the moment in which I will describe and show in videos how I use my major systems ToDoist, Evernote geni.us/AppStoreEvernote , GoodNotes4 geni.us/AppStoreGoodNotes4 and Spark geni.us/AppStoreSpark . Although my system can be adapted with many other apps too.
@@paperlessmove Looks very interesting to see how you use your major systems together. This is something I've been working on myself for some years with a focus on e-mail clients and task management tools. I've worked with Spark to improve the quality of their Evernote integration, so that should be working fine now. Although I personally would not have chosen a table with email headers and "Open in Spark" button 😉
Do you think Notes Plus will come with an update to try to add some other features like GN4 offers?
All I can say is, that I really hope it for them to publish an overhaul of Notes Plus (especially the handwriting). Otherwise even the third position on my website will be lost. Noteshelf2 is really doing it right and they are putting on real pressure. They listen to their fans and deliver. Fingers crossed that this is a wake up call for Notes Plus developers.
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Same here! I sent them an e-mail and they replied but we will see if they do any changes...
I use GoodNotes now. And I will try noteshelf2. Thank you.
Do any of these note taking apps allow you to add additional paper in notes you have already written on a page? I want to be able to add notes above notes I just wrote
If you mean to add just a new page in between two existing pages, then yes, it is possible with no hassle at all :)
Tom Solid sorry, I am not being clear. I want to be able to add whitespace above writing I have already done.
ok, this is only possible by dragging away the text you have written. But you cannot create more space on an exciting note I am afraid. It would be a good feature though!
I really hope these apps add this feature
What are you doing to me, Tom?! I settled on Notes Plus because you liked it so much a month ago! Now it’s out of the game? I’m crying. Real tears.
Out of the game? Notes Plus is a different game. 😉 As I always say, to find the right app is a very subjective journey. And if you check my website, it is still in my game. You are happy with it?
Tom Solid I was happy, then I bought Noteshelf and I like it more for the way I use things. BUT every so often I want to circle something and make it into text and I cry again.
Haha, now we are talking the same language! I think the same very often. The way you can handle things in Notes Plus only by using your pencil is just awesome... 🤓
I agree. But the Noteshelf UI, pen feel, ways to add pages (multiple), way to duplicate and re-order pages... all of it feels radically more reliable as a way of working for me. That’s even before I have made any custom layouts.
By the way, Penultimate offers custom page layouts (I think you implied this was unique to Noteshelf).
Uh...thanks for the advice with penultimate, wasn't aware of this.
I really need an handwriting equation recognition app for the university. Do you have any suggestions?
+Satyasam108 yes! My script Calculator 2 😃👍
Hi brother. How can you make dark theme for Safari ? Thanks in advance.
I love that I can send info to Evernote but wish I could also have the ability to insert info and move it around from a pdf. Great site and great information, thank you !
Yes, 2-Way syncing would be awesome :)
im looking to an upgrade from notability, and goodnotes 4 is the best option?
It really depends on what you want the app to use for. e.g. Notability has audio recording and GoodNotes doesn’t offer this yet. You might want to have a look at my note taking app comparison table? This way it is easiest to find out what is best for you! ua-cam.com/video/GDVCiwh6JWs/v-deo.html
i actually purchades goodnotes before looking at your comparison table, and was bummed since the main feature im looking for is the password protection lol. so what would you recommend between noteshelf 2 and notes plus? i like the feature of noteshelf 2 that i saw from your website but i heard its unstable?
Oh bummer :) I never hat stability problems with Noteshelf2. If you don't need handwriting recognition I think Noteshelf2 is great, however, if you want to test Notes Plus for free to check how its handwriting feels to you, you can watch this ua-cam.com/video/Exv4tDJVVDk/v-deo.html
thank you so much for the replies and all the videos and reviews. i will definitely buy noteshelf 2 next time
You are very welcome! I am so amazed about the great community that is gathering on this channel! :)
Regarding Goodnotes 5, its been 5 months since its been talked about. Any idea when is it coming?
I have no date, but it is Beta, I can say that. ;)
6 Months later - still nothing. WOW.
Apple releases more iPads than they release Updates...
Haha, good one but sadly....it is true 😔 I am losing hopes that this will be an awesome release
@@paperlessmove Still better than waiting for more than a year for Microsoft to port all the essential Wunderlist to their new To-Do app 😞
Nicht die Menge an Vorlagen macht die Verwendbarkeit aus... sondern der Workflow. Dazu musst du einigen Zeit die App verwenden. Das kann man durch einmal hinsitzen und Vorlagen und anderer Mengenvergleich nicht sagen.
I am using NS2 for teaching at different universities. NS2 is great - at least, a pointer is missing inside the app ...
The only thing I have to mention as not suitable.
Yep, this would be a good addition. Hopefully they will add this.
i bought noteshelf 2 because of the various covers and templates they offer. I also bought goodnotes due to its unique ocr recoginition feature, but i have to say the writing experience with goodnotes is horrendous, considered that i have to write notes in chinese not only just western letters, my handwriting looks 100 times worse than my actual handwriting on paper. So now I only use goodnotes for vocabulary learning, all my other notes are in noteshelf2.
Thanks for the very detailed information! I know what you mean. However, the OCR GoodNotes uses is provided by MyScript and Notes Plus and Nebo are using the same! Did you know that? :)
Tom Solid thanks for your reply. yes but in nebo once you create a notebook, you can only choose one language for that notebook to be recognized. it’s basic useless for me. i will see more about notes plus and decide whether i should purchase it.
Tom Solid i already purchased notesplus, thanks for your recommodation! the wrting experience is 10 out of 10!
Great review! Noteshelf 1.21 (3 weeks ago) introduced clickable links and 1.24 (2 weeks ago) searchable text. So what is the problem with the clickable links in Noteshelf that Goodnotes solves?
Thanks for the positive feedback! However, it seems there was a misunderstanding as I tried to point exactly this out, that Noteshelf2 now also is able to handle PDFs in the way GoodNotes does it! So it seems I didn't make this clear? Sorry for confusion then... :(
Tom Solid I think it was that you demo’d it in Goodnotes but not in Noteshelf. Don’t beat yourself up about it, you have a great channel :)
Thanks for the kind words 😉 However, the amazing thing I showed in GoodNotes was that my handwriting was automatically converted into a clickable hyperlink! And this NoteShelf is not capable to do yet.
Hi Tom. Can you import your own templates in noteshelf 2?
Yes you can! You can even import digital Planners like in GoodNotes. 👍
Tom Solid wow, you are destroying my wallet!!! Hahaha
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Very useful video! Thanks a lot!
I love goodnotes. I just wish they add more different types of pens/pencil. Eagerly waiting for goodnotes5 update!!!
All I know so far about GoodNotes5 I provided in this post and it looks like the will disappoint you when it comes to pen styles: www.paperlessmovement.com/blog/goodnotes-5-what-will-it-look-like/
Thanks a lot Tom. This video is really helpful. Much appreciated.
Hi Fatih! you are very welcome. always happy if it is useful what I create!
Fatih Özkan ,,
Can I create a category in an category? (In noteshelf 2)
Nope. One Level of Category in which you can place all the note books. But as many Categories you like
Noteshelf 2 rocks! Amazing handwriting
Agree 😉
Does it support Polish language?
Nice review Tom. GoodNotes is my favorite but I saw so many negative reviews far Noteshelf 2 that I have not upgraded. It looks good but I still like Good Notes features are the best. You mentioned Good Notes 5-are you testing a beta version. I've been waiting excitedly for some of the features they've indicated are coming but there hasn't been an update in ages! Any idea when they will release GNS or an update to 4?
Unfortunately I cannot provide any information on GoodNotes 5 yet. 🤭
Tom Solid Thanks for the reply. I really wish they would share something on their blog about what their plans are. They are mostly just recycling old blog posts on Twitter.
Agree!
Do neither allow to voice record lectures?
Noteshelf2 allows audio recording even via your Apple Watch if you like 😎
@tomsolid, what do make of the fact that the GoodNotes team changed the app icon on their website and twitter channel to the app icon of the suspected GoodNotes 5 app? Does that mean that the release of GoodNotes 5 is imminent?
Not sure...but I feel it too..something is coming soon. :)
I used both for a wile, but at the end I choose GoodNotes because of the ability to have more than one tab open! That for me is the real deal breaker.
Thanks for sharing your experience with us! However, you can use Noteshelf2 as well in Split screen of any type you like. Or what do you mean by "tab open"?
Tom Solid yeah I know that! But I can’t write properly if use the split screen function, and sometimes I have to write in my notebook and in a pdf at the same time! So I need to have more than one tab open to do it
Gosh, now I want to buy Noteshelf 2. I didn’t even know there was one. I have noteshelf 1... Edit: will wait for GoodNotes 5 LOL. Using GoodNotes 4 but as you say, the user interface is clearly dated
Thanks for the good review, Tom. This info is helpful to me. :)
Happy you like it!
I still actually prefer using notes plus. It’s functions are simply the full package of everything I need to work efficiently
Thanks for sharing your opinion. It just shows again, how subjective all this is. :)
What about notability?
Hi Tom, that trick moving your handwriting into Todoist, and it auto-converting...is that a Todoist only thing? I’ve tried a few different programs, aas well as my task manager (MeisterTask) but it wouldn’t move over. Any special thing I may not be doing?
Or even more to the point...I use Notes + more... anyway to do it there?
For Notes+ you cannot drag text out of the app. What I showed there should be possible from GoodNotes to any text field in any other app!
Loving both!
Really loved the video.... Would be looking forward for the app.
This video would have been more helpful to me if you only showed your screen so that it would have been closer and easier to see (rather than showing you a and the screen in the corner).
I appreciate your feedback! I will consider it. Thanks!
Thanks for all the helpful and informative videos
You are very welcome! Happy you find it helpful! Appreciate your feedback!
Does Noteshelf 2 have emoticons?
Yep ;)
Wow! That’s amazing! Thank you
Love NS2 but always looking at the competition
Its awesome... I'm a first time user and loving it ..
You are doing a great job. Love your videos
Thanks a lot!! Love comments like yours, they are really pushing me to publish more!
Can’t wait to win this apps for note taking!
Useful comparison. Thanks!
You are very welcome! Happy it is useful to you. :)
This is a very nice detailed review!
Awesome Noteshelf 2 .
Very good review, the pens would be important to me noteshelf. On another note still having problems with hand writing. I partially solved the problem by using the text box. I hope some upgrades in pens are coming to goodnotes. Very interesting to copy from goodnotes into todoist
Thanks for the great feedback James! I have big hopes for GoodNotes 5 :)
i Prefer the new Notabiliy 8, but i await GoodNotes 5!
Great review!
Once again, solid is solid.
Haha, thanks for this awesome feedback 😊
Nice presentation.Thank you for sharing this
You are very welcome! Happy you like it!
Happy to use it...
I always wanted to go paperless!!!!
Now it is time to move from wanting it to actually becoming it. ;) stay tuned!
What is the best note taking app?
It depends on what you need it for. Please check my video about the best note taking app ua-cam.com/video/GDVCiwh6JWs/v-deo.html
Excellent review!
I really like this app!!!
So useful love your channel
Thanks a lot!! Appreciate your kind words!
Nice Video bro! keep it!
Keep it going!
Really good comparison :)
Nice! thanks Dr. Tom
You are very welcome! 👍
I still like goodnote 4😂
Good one for taking notes
Thank you! Very useful site :)
Interesting comparison!
I want to try.
Dude - almost 5 minutes into the video, and still waiting for the review to pick up some speed.... whew.
Lookily you can speed up the video :) But thank you very much for your feedback, I will take this in consideration for future videos!
Really nice!
Thank you!!