Roller Coaster Design Flaw!! - Mr. Freeze Reverse Blast Review & Analysis - Six Flags Over Texas
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2020
- Suh dudes! In this video, I describe my thoughts on Mr Freeze Reverse Blast, a launching shuttle roller coaster located at Six Flags Over Texas! (and also Six Flags St. Louis) I also discuss a critical design flaw of the ride that I have always found fascinating! Hope you enjoy!
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I love a tight pullout.
ok nate
Thanks Nate, very cool!
That’s what she said
Giggity
thats what she said... im so immature im so sorry lmao
"backwards front row" oh my head hurts
you could almost say it’s a brain freeze
Dave M I love a good/bad pun. Put a smile on my face this morning. 😆😆😆
As someone who was sat in the front row of this the first and last time I rode it - ow my head hurts is definitely accurate
My glasses also fell off right when we got to the top but thankfully I caught them in time 😅
"it's simple: we backwards front row the batman"
Love that you talk about the technical side of the ride, that's something too many enthusiasts ignore!
But what about that air conditioning in the queue!?! It may be the best part of that ride in the middle of a Texas summer.
RIP Debunked
Whoa
*coaster loop*
*c o n n e c t i o n*
Growing up in St. Louis, Mr. Freeze was the coaster everyone would dare each other to go on. It was my first steel coaster and was the ride that first sparked my interest in roller coasters.
I live in Germany and I was dared to ride Limit at Heide Park 10 times (It's a Vekoma SLC)...should I do it?
Same exp here with mr freeze stl. As a 12 year old, it was a true dare to get on that thing when it opened.
Hi Anonym yes
@@vtoohigh4952 I can already feel the pain 🤕
The one in St. Louis doesn't launch backwards does it?
I've ridden it a few times and I'm pretty sure it launched forward and returned backwards. The one in Texas launches backwards and returns forward.
“100 mph in 7 seconds, sometimes.” OK STR8 BOY SHADE. Do it Ryan.
I chuckled at that as well. Always here for the shade 😎
I had a guy try to argue with me saying that the launch on this ride is in fact not LIM but a hydraulic launch because he said his dad built the ride
GP
"My uncle who works at Nintendo says it's flywheel launched"
John Lorton did you mean was
Nah. It's forced air launched.
Anyone who says otherwise is an enemy of science.
My step-cousin's uncle's neighbor built the ride.
No. Clearly it is a Tomato based Launched as my Great grandfather's neighbours uncle step brother built it.
I work at six flags and this is by far one of my favorite rides to attend. When the train initially leaves all you see is fear. it's worth seeing the joyful expressions when guests come back in
I was TERRIFIED to ride this.. once I did, it quickly became one of my favorites.
Same.
I wish it was a complete circuit
I won’t ever go on it cause I’m too afraid of going backwards
@@emilypickens7558 just got forewords then walk backwards just go on it it’s fun
One thing I love about this coaster is the view from the spike as you’re facing down. It really gives you a sense of how high up you are in the air and adds to the fear factor of the ride.
Natalie I always thought it was super chill, especially at night. It’s super pretty and calming just looking up and seeing the park lights at night, especially the riddler ride or basically all of Gotham now
Depends on your fear: are you scared of heights, or scared of falling?
I'm so SO glad they got rid of the over-the-shoulder restraints. Headaches for days.
The one and only, SAVAGE MISTER
@@skimad1236 hey, I know that skimad dude
Yes
This made the ride experience rough.
I love Mr Freeze! I have been riding it since 2003, and it is still my favorite at the park, even over New Texas Giant. I knew that we got a boost on the spike, but I never thought of how big of an issue it would be if the boost fails. When I saw the title say "design flaw", I was thinking, "Don't you be dissing on my beloved Mr Freeze!" But I'm glad to hear that you enjoy the ride, and I realize that you're right about the potential problems.
I started working at SFoT while Mr. Freeze was being welded. I remember on my first day, during orientation, the speaker was talking about reporting things that seem out of place. The example he actually gave was "like, for example, if you see a welder for Mr. Freeze in such in such area, where they have no reason to be, report it".
During orientation, they showed us a computer generated video of what Mr. Freeze was going to look like, once completed.
I rode it when the train was forward (launching out of the station forward and returning backwards).
Also, this ride is frequently shut down because the spire keeps getting struck by lightning and it has to be repaired each time.
As an employee, I got to be among the first to ride it before it was open to the public.
Icarus I find it funny that it keeps getting struck by lightning. Surely it’s not the steel and open motors.
@@thenatespecial It is welded steel. And the parts that get damaged are the electronics that control the LIMs.
Damn that's awesome. I probably saw you when I was a kid! Used to go all the time.
@@xxTexas_outlaw71xxttv This ride is not chain lift/gravity propelled. The drive and braking system uses linear induction motors (electro magnets).
The "idiot" operators do not "stop" the train. The LIMs do this automatically. The LIMs also move the train into dock. So there's nothing the ride operators could have done. They don't control how "early" the LIMs act, with the exception of using the E-stop in cases of emergency.
Even gravity propelled coasters use self-engaging brakes, in order to eliminate human error. You really think the kid at the controls is trusted to time the moment to stop a train before it collides with something else? They just have two launch buttons and a release restraints button and an E-stop button.
@@featherpony The LIM stators don't actually play a role in parking the train during normal operation. When the train re-enters the tunnel, one set of brake fins interact with Eddy Current brakes, and then about 2/3 into the tunnel, the adjacent set of fins interact with friction brakes. The ops have the ability to 'park' an incoming train just before it enters the station, and I believe maintenance can recover it with a routine that turns on a small number of stators to jog the train home, but normally, the train should be carrying enough momentum to coast home and simply be slowed and finally stopped by friction brakes in the station. The ride had been short parking quite often last summer.
I would love to shake the hand of whoever decided to reverse the train, because sitting in the back row going up that spike is an amazing experience
I forgot how to speak I can only say “ONE TRAIN OPS” and “MANG” cause it’s all I can remember
Best part of the ride is looking up while you’re at the top and seeing the entire park upside down, it’s even better at night and you see all of Gotham illuminated. My favorite ride in the entire park!
love freeze. my favorite ride at the park to ride and to work. another flaw you missed is that when they designed the ride they must have only accounted for the clearance with OTSRs and now that the ride has lap bars, if you have a bit of room you can actually slap a couple of the beams on the tophat. really stings in the back row.
You can also touch the lift and brake supports on most slcs (kong at my home park) you could probably touch some during the ride but I dont want my fingers to get fucked
CJ what do you have to do to touch them would love to try it
@@soupinabagel4021 if ur asking about slcs just stick your arm out far as you can, you need long arms though. I also always sit in the front row cause it feels like the restraints are bigger and you have more room, I dont know if that applies to all slcs. I actually think kong is really really fun in the front but I know I'm in the minority enjoying slcs
Flight of Fear at Kings Dominion and Kings island originally opened with OTSR which made it rough and uncomfortable at times, and were changed with lap bars in 2001.
So then do as they say and keep your hands inside the car.
I remember when the overhead restrains were on the Mr. Freeze trains before they went to the lap restrain system. It was terrible. Your head constantly banged back and forth between shoulder restraints. Girls were advised to remove earings because early on, they were coming back into the station with bleeding ears from banging the head back and forth. Lap restraints made it much more enjoyable. Also, Freeze got stuck in the summer sometime between 1999-2002 if I remember correct. It was stuck in the vertical position at near the highest point. I am not sure what went wrong, but I remember helicopter footage on the news. Emergency crews had to take water up to the passengers because of the summer heat.
I remember reading an article in the Start Telegram about the 1997 season. They said that it took a consult with NASA to get the LIM's to work right.
The time you are talking about was a whole park power outage, I believe it was from a spring storm coming thru. I worked in security during that time. It was a crazy time. Most rides were able to walk off the guests.
How do you drink water while facing the ground without choking?? That must have been a terrible time for the passengers on board.
Reminds me of le olde Flashback.
@@thenatespecial at this time they were facing the sky since it wasn't reversed yet. so it was a bit easier at least. still sounds terrifying.
I grew up an hour from this park and I have so many fond memories of Mr Freeze. I think I rode it the day it opened or at least soon afterward. This and Batman The Ride have been my favorites for years for nostalgia at least. I don't think I've ever seen a train stalled, I've definitely never been in a stalled train, but this is a fascinating look at coaster history and mechanics that I've never considered before.
Batman is my favorite! I love how you feel like you’re flying through the air
When I was 17, I rode the st louis one when they still had the shoulder restraints. It gave me such a migraine that I was puking an hour later.
I feel your pain. I was 11 when I first rode it with the shoulder restraints TToTT
I rode this coaster in January. The first time my wife and I rode it, we were unaware that it lunches backwards, so we sat on the train and looked at each other when we realized that is was lunching in reverse. Right after we looked at each other it lunched. We rode it 8 more time during our 2 day visit to SFOT. Loved it.
Wow I never realized this design flaw even though it’s so obvious.
Can confirm, the over the shoulder restraints would bang your head from side to side. The lap bars were a huge improvement (at least for the St.Louis model)
This was what Premier Rides added to their rides in the early 2000s.
ElToroRyan: "I guess Premier likes making things difficult..."
Six Flags MM: *begins crying*
Hey they didn't make it difficult, I mean they gave you a catwalk after all
Which Roller coaster at Six Flags MM are you referring to?
@@Niklaos the “New for 2019” coaster that opened January 2020... West Coast Racers
El Toro Ryan hittin us with that knowledge. 🤙
Imo I’m lucky to have this at my home park and consider it a pretty rare credit I’m proud to have.
True. Growing up, I always though Over Texas was kind of lame compared to other Six Flags, but I realize now that's only because I went all the time. I still don't think it's the best park in the world, but it is a great one!
@@burnout713 Agreed
I used to live in ohio near kings island but now I live in texas near six flags pretty great as someone who can’t travel and still loves going on coasters
Six Flags over Texas used to be my home park. Mr. Freeze is great. It is definitely intense though. Not for the faint of heart. My favorite spot is the back row, which is technically the front row when going backwards.
I absolutely love the one in St. Louis. The weird forces it puts on your body make it more thrilling. Part of the thrill is that it's a bit janky. I love that you start off in reverse. After the launch going through the tunnel backwards you don't know when the track is going to go up, you can't anticipate it. I love that pulling feeling at the top because it's such a weird sensation. I get a really bad headache if I ride it more than 2 times in a row.
I rode this when I was like 13 back when it first opened and I think I liked it even better when it was forward launching, cause back then not only would the lights turn on in the tunnel on launch but it would shoot this kind of dry ice like smoke out that you would shoot through and it'd be so cool to watch yourself wizzing through all that with the sensation of being launched and the intense sounds of the LIMs going off. Also it made the first inverted top hat a bit more comfortable on the first run through it, the second run being a bit slower and not much an issue anyways.
My band class had the entire STL SF to ourselves with a handful of other bands for the day and I can’t tell you how many times we rode this ride. The reverse part definitely forced your head down in an uncomfortable way but it was GREAT. I remember very vividly riding it in the rain and falling with it on the way down from the spike. Very surreal experience! Def one of my favorite coaster
The second time i got to go to 6F St.Louis was the first year they added Mr Freeze. Bout shit my pants at the top of the spike, a truly awesome unforgettable ride. All day you could hear 2 conversations murmured around the park, #1 Omfg im not riding that, Mr Freeze is crazy! #2 Your such a wuss come on you gotta ride Mr Freeze, its awesome! Glad to finally see a vid giving it props an love the indepth tech side of your doc vid bro!
I have been riding Mr Freeze for years I was born in 1991 so I was about 7 when the ride released and been riding it since I was like 8 or 9 and I am 29 going to be 30 this year. I have down the reverse and the original and love both. Its a amazing ride. You also taught me something about the ride I never knew which was the magnets at the top. I always assumed it was momentum that pushed you thru the ride backwards or in reverse forwards.
Actually, this valleying occurs often for Mr Freeze because it has a frequent problem of launching too slowly and not getting up to speed to course through the elements. It usually results in an E-stop or lock out, though the lock out has a nasty habit of erasing all of the run's error data and making it a heck of a job for mechanics. I've only worked at SFOT for a week now and it has happened often enough that it's talked about casually among my fellow ride ops.
Hi fellow coworkers
This didnt age well. Bye mr freeze
I am wondering how the lock out deletes the error data
It looks fun, but I passed it up 3 times because i am unsure about the reverse launch. If it was still forward facing, I would probably ride it, but the reverse launch scares me.
So its 4pm in the Usa, its 10pm here in Germany, I Have school tomorrow and am still watching this Video xD
Geht mir auch oft so mit UA-camrn aus den USA
This is a great point, I always wondered about that launch failing considering how unreliable they tend to be
I’ve never felt this was crazy crushing force, it’s quick and intense but not sure about insane forces, in a good way.
Rode this for the first time this past weekend on a short trip to Dallas. I dont care how flawed it is, this shit was just plain awesome.
I remember when the one in St. Louis was first built and when they did test runs on the coaster, one time we saw a wheel fall off into the Thunder River. It also used to launch people facing forward.
Great video, mang. I never noticed these flaws, so thanks for the info, I love to learn about unique and or flawed rides
The launch on flight of fear is one of the best lunches I've been on.
I'll go to launch, now.
Looks like this coaster is bigger than hip-hop, hip-hop, hip-hop....
Haha I used to live in St Louis and cannot remember a single time Mr Freeze wasn't closed.
lmao right! it’s always open i love it
It's closed fairly often in Texas as well. Still my favorite ride though
My home park is Magic Mountain, but I went to Over Texas for the first time a month ago, and I fell in love. Such a great park, and this ride was so fun. I rode it like 5 times that day.
What a great analysis. I feel like I have a good idea of what this ride feels like from your description. Now I have to ride it. Keep making these! Thanks :)
Really interesting, I never really thought about this! I'm glad that their "bad design" didn't get shut down. As you said and something I just talked about in one of my vids, this provides such a unique experience that you can't really find anywhere else.
Another great vid! Your breakdowns are simply the best on UA-cam. Hands down.
I look forward to gettin on one of these.
When this ride first opened it started front facing. I remember it opened a season late so season pass holders (myself and family included) got exclusive days to attend the park with limited rides so we could enjoy the ride. We rode this exactly 15 times and I had a headache the rest of the day. Totally worth it. It’s a lot more fun now that it’s reversed however. I have pretty serious back problems and surprisingly this ride doesn’t cause my any lack pain. They’ve changed the harnesses so the head pain has been significantly reduced. What a ride!
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
Please continue making informative videos about the operational/ design specifics about particular rides. They’re done so well! Really enjoying them. Thanks great job
All my friends LOVED the St. Louis version when we take the band trip there every spring
Makes me miss The Chiller here in Jersey. That was my favorite coaster of all time.
I'm so excited that you have this video, this is my favorite ride at Six Flags. My family used to go to six flags multiple times when I was a child. It stops working quite often so the line tends to be short and they're able to get it back up and running pretty fast sometimes so my family would always just wait til it was running again cuz most people would leave so it would send us nearly to the front. I remember riding it when it was forward facing way before they decided to flip the seats over. I used to always sit in the front to get to the very top of the end of the coaster cuz the drop backwards was so much fun, now I always sit in the back cuz the drop from so high is just so much fun.
Omg I didn't know this ride opened I 1998. It's as old as I am 😲 that's a weird thought lol. I've thankfully never actually gotten stuck on the ride nor have I ever seen anyone else get stuck on it, I didn't even know that was an issue it faced often 🤔 it makes sense tho.
I rode Intimidator 305 before they “fixed” the first turn. Ever since then I’ve been infatuated with positive g-forces. Lookin forward to that tight pullout! 😎😎😎
I love these informative coaster videos. Great job!
Absolute favorite coaster at SF STL. We used to keep a penny in hand for when we got to the vertical stretch. Right as we'd get to the peak we'd let go of the pennies and watch them float in mid-air, trying to catch them as we fell back to the ground. Great times.
Love this roller coaster! My cousin and I rode it about 10 times one day back in the mid 2000s when it still launched forwards. One of my favorite visits to 6flags over Texas.
UA-cam's algorithm did right for once! I live in San Antonio, and we often travel to Arlington because we love Six Flags Over Texas so much. My sisters especially love Reverse Blast. This was a very interesting video. Thanks!
Is it possible for the trains to get stuck upside down on the inverted tophat, and can there be a video about trains getting stuck
I love that someone is actually talking about Texas because I’ve seen like one video about Texas so thank you
Great vid and great to see that Carowinds opening day flashback!
I went on the St. Louis Mr. Freeze in about 1998 when it still had the incredibly uncomfortable over-the-shoulder restraints and you're absolutely right about it hurting. I haven't been back to Six Flags St. Louis or Over Texas, but I'd give it a try now that they have lap bars.
i rode this back when it was facing forwards, i loved it. i havent gotten a chance to ride it since they turned the train around though. what i can say though, its a crazy feeling going up the vertical spike forwards. when you hit those booster motors, you feel like you are about to go off the end of the track.
Yeah man it was great facing forward. Haven’t ridden it since they changed it. I remember that sensation of almost flying off the track. And when he was saying that you slam back into your seat as you go down, it reminded me of a sense of being pushed forward as you go down the spike in reverse. Maybe I was just imagining things though. 🤷🏻♂️
Awesome review, I love Mr Freeze the vertical spike and giant banked curve on the return trip are my favorite parts
Thanks for teaching me about the technical side of roller coasters. It’s definitely interesting how one little flaw can change a whole ride
This ride was awesome to me. It was the single coaster that sparked my love of night time rides. The view I got to see on that spike when I was younger probably pales in comparison to today, but it still makes me smile when I think about it.
I rode this ride long time ago when my friend lived in Texas. I enjoyed it lunching backwards. The video help understand the aspect of the ride, thank u Ryan.
Great reviews brother..I’m hooked! Lol
This is one of my favorite roller coasters.
It is intense for sure but in the best way.
Love your videos man. Never knew I wanted to learn about roller coasters so much.
This was super entertaining and informative! Thanks, Ryan!!
Kelly Alix Anytime! Glad you liked it!
I remember the first time I rode this ride in SF Saint Louis. It took me years to build up the courage to do it, and god that was a blast. I rode all the other coasters there multiple times, but I’ve only ever ridden that coaster once. I remember every second of it, and god knows I want to do it again.
Thanks for dropping that coaster knowledge. I learned quite a bit.
Great video Ry, very informative! Mr Freeze was definitely a highlight of our Texas collab trip last year! 😄
LukeE94 thanks mang! Yes marathoning it was so fun!!
Thank you for covering this ride. It's my all time favorite, as I haven't been on many :)
I remember riding mr freeze as a kid when it first came out. Waiting in line and seeing the giant mr freeze operate the coaster was awesome.
Awesome info. MFRB is a great adrenaline pumping ride, I've only ridden the one in St. Louis, love that view from the front row on the spike.
I remember going on Mr. Freeze all the time in 2003, because there never seemed to be a line and the queue was indoors. I wonder if it was too intense for most people, but the Titan always seemed full at the time.
I've worked Mr Freeze awhile back, the look on people's faces when they get shot out the station was always priceless
I was just thinking about how much I missed this coaster... then this popped up in my recommended. I absolutely love this one. I was terrified to get on it at first haha
I remember riding the original, forward launched version of Mr Freeze when it was first released in '98... good times... haven't had the chance to go back in years.
Interesting. Thank you 🙏
For a brief time you could choose trains facing either direction at St. Louis. Unfortunately I never got to try them like this back-to-back as the ride had the most downtime in the park by a large margin. It was a joke that the guys who ran Mr. Freeze hardly worked at all. Haven't been recently but last I knew they both run backwards. (assuming both are working😅)
I spoke with (allegedly) one of the maintenance guys who said that, during the reverse-blastening, a floppy was lost/broken and Premier (or Siemens or Rockwell, whoever made the controller) didn't have backups of the LIM timing. So it was six flags personnel that were adjusting each LIM, 1ms at a time, trial and error, to get the train out at the right speed.
Probably just a tall tail from a delirious maintenance guy......but... then again, the launch *was* substantially jerkier after reverse blast was introduced.
ok but i love how cold the queue is it’s always over 100 degrees when i go and it’s so refreshing to stand there. there’s also the misters all around the outside.
Mr Freeze is a staple ride for me any time I go to Six Flags Over Texas. Can’t get enough of it.
Rode MFRB at Six Flags St. Louis with my (then) girlfriend and my sister three years ago today (thanks Facebook memories!) - we didn't launch fast enough to make it through the initial tophat and we went right back into the station tunnel. Definitely was a unique experience!
Growing up with this as my most local six flags (from Dallas) this was the last one I ever rode (it wasn’t backwards yet back then lol) it scared me so bad looking at the straight spike but after I rode it it was always one of my favorites
This was the only roller coaster I have ever chicken out on. I was back in middle school though. I’d love ride it now!
this is one of my favorite rides out of them all i love this ride and i have been lucky to ride this when it use to lanch forward as wlll as the now backwords
Grew up on the one in stl... My fav coaster of all time
Thank you a nice quality video that will actually help me out
This one of the best rides at 6FOT, literally every kid I knew growing up dreamt of the day they were tall enough to ride it
i used to work the one in stl and it was more powerful before they turned the cars backwards. but it also broke down all the time i think they slowed it down and added more launch motors to make it more reliable, and when they did so it was noted that the G forces were now low enough for a reverse launch.
bruh i love going on that ride its so funnnnn. like when you zoom off in the beginning ughhh, i cant wait for dem to open next week ;3
great video, just watched the whole thing!
when i went to SFSL in 2018 i was able to get 11 rides on it, 7 of them were in a row with last ride of the day on both sides. this coaster at least the one in Missouri, is one of my favorite launch coasters just behind maxx force and tied with steel venom
My 1st time going on this was in st Louis. Just by looking at it, I was sure that I wasn't gonna enjoy it cuz I dont like going backwards. This is why I stay away from boomerangs. I absolutely loved it! Especially that launch element on the tower. I did not expect that acceleration! The only problem was the station was a sauna. It had all this ice theming but boiling hot. Lol
You pretty much explained it perfectly for the St. Louis ride it was very very fun and I only went on it twice. 10/10 would ride again.
At 9:08, Formula Rossa also features the same design flaw! I don’t know how high the second hill is on that coaster, but I once saw on a National Geographic documentary that the coaster train got stuck on the second hill because the coaster didn’t launch fast enough to get through the whole layout! I love these problematic roller coaster videos, and they are making me think about roller coasters from a whole new perspective. Please keep up with this great content!
I rode the one in St. Louis with the over the shoulder harness. It was front facing at launch and I almost blacked out from the G's. Almost as rough as Son of Beast but much shorter.
Such a fantastic ride in my home town. Have ridden it both facing forwards and backwards and IMO, backwards is much more intense - after the launch, you get crushed into the restraint as the coaster SHARPLY banks upward. LOVE the airtime when it reverses at the top.
I rode it a few times when it was facing forwards. Its was really fast and fun, but that backwards back seat makes me want to ride it again.