Renault Zoe Review 1 Year of ownership 5 Pros and Cons of Zoe 🔋🔌🚗
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- Опубліковано 21 чер 2018
- I feel fully charged for this review, its 1 year of ownership in my Renault Zoe and i thought it was time to review my own car rather than all the others.
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So today i give you 5 pro's and cons of the Renault Zoe and of course i will mention the CUP HOLDER. I also touch a little on the pro and con of the battery lease and many other points is this a better buy than the Nissan leaf? I personally think so. This review applies to the new 2018 Renault Zoe ZE40 and previous 22 kwh models. I don't go into the different motors like the r110 but as i have a different video explaining the difference in motors and fully suggest you check that out. This is an honest review on the Renault Zoe and i hope you enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed owning it.
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Spot on as always. A couple of years ago I would never have thought of owning a french car. Now my Zoe is my only car and I love it. It has a couple of minor defects that would never have left a Japanese production line but credit where it's due - I looked online at all the options, and even with my opulent choice of full leather, upgraded stereo and battery-owned, any other BEV with a similar range was massively more expensive, and looked worse.
It’s the best french car by miles I said to my self is never buy a French car again and now am in love with the Zoe it’s by far one of the best cars I’ve owned for being reliable and I enjoy driving it, it’s not the best driving car I’ve had but in its class it is and for being smooth it’s as smooth as a rolls Royce I’ve driven
Great honest video. The range of the ZE40 (and low price after discount) were the clinchers for me. I get 190 miles range at this time of year and this means I am a stranger to public charging (though I notice more 22 kw posts about now and these are often free which is a great benefit for a Zoe if not other EVs - they add about 100 miles range per hour but it isn't worth staying connected past 80% because the charge rate slows so much). I didn't realise the rear seats were removable.
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Great video Nic- I’ll share it with my folks who are thinking of buying a Zoe. Ps I like the look of the gen 1 leaf 😂
Ahh someone has to love them, John C also feels the same. I hope they move EV they have a great daughter to prove how great they are to them
Hi Nick, great review, I have a 40kw Zoe.
It's a completely intangible point but I love the personality of the car.
Sure, it's a Renault and with that comes odd cup holders but its a joy to drive.
Sure, its a Renault and beeps at me every time I go to get out of the car 'cos I haven't removed the keys from the slot but it locks automatically as I walk away.
Sure, it's a Renault and doesn't have CCS but it has the best AC charging of any EV out there and there are a lot more AC chargers than CCS where I live.
Sure, it's a Renault and the RLink interface looks terrible by todays standards but the audio sound is good.
Sure, it's a Renault and the rear wiper has a funny on/off action but it still works!
Sure, it's a Renault and the glove box can hold one small pen but the headroom is great for a tall chap like me
Sure, it's a Renault and the rear leg room is poor but the seats are soft & comfortable
Sure, it's a Renault and there are no mud flaps but the blue colour scrubs up very well
Sure, it's a Renault and the cabin heating system is terrible but it does get warm eventually
Sure it's a Renault but it can beat a Golf GTI over the first 50 yards.
Sure it's a Renault and the range estimator is quirky but I have done 280km on a full charge.
Sure it's a Renault and the RLINK update process requires a degree in Computer Science but hey, it just updated by itself over the air!!
Sure it's a Renault and the most fun since my Renault 4 in 1980.
Gotta love it.
pssst don't put key in slot keep it in your pocket :-p its keyless take advantage, other reason it might self lock is if battery is LOW on key (video on how to change battery in my library)
She's got some issues but i got a review coming soon on an EV that cost £15000 more than a battery owned zoe and it really has made me realise how good the zoe is
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rear wiper: on/off action - where do I find the off feature?
Haha this comment reflects much of my own experience. I hate my Zoe but I also absolutely love it and its the most fun and satisfying everyday car I have ever driven! That said the stress of trying to figure out how to get rid of my battery lease does occupy my mind more and more the longer I have the car...
excellent review thanks for posting it - i really like the look / sound of these Zoe's rather than a nissan leaf personally
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I reckon its a great car! Thanks for the vid, good to find a North East based vlogger!
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Hi, thanks for the informative videos. I am now the proud owner of a Zoe, 5th day now. I would broadly agree with you comments, especially that it is difficult to find fault with a Zoe. I would add one though, the Z.E. voice, as Renault call it. I have heard people comment about how noisy the Zoe is because they think it is the motor making that noise. Renault missed a trick by not making a burbling V8 one of the optional noises. Surely a no brainer! If that is inappropriate, then some musical noise that is clearly not the Zoe's mechanicals.
I agree that the Zoe is stunning. I have not had this warm feeling gazing at my car since my Alfa GTV in the 80's. If I am parked up, I can pretty much guarantee I am in the prettiest car there unless a 1954 Giullietta sprint or some such pulls up. Mine is black and is GORGEOUS!!!
Ahh I like you Tim fellow precious Alfa owner my self :)
You missed the biggest Pro to your whole video.. And i can not believe you missed it... PRO NO:1 There is a FREE! Club for the Renault Zoe :) Good Video matey...
Your right rzoc is not just free it’s an amazing family to be part of
Hi Nicolas , I am considering to buy Zoe 2020 model. Available with battery lease. The only thing I am doubtful is that when we sell it after 3 years to basically total depreciation would be 3-4K plus all the rent of the battery which I paid. Around 6k Euros. In this case is it better to buy the battery ?just to mention my running won’t be more than 7-8k per year. It’s basically for my wife
Interesting video Nicholas! Your list of cons weren't all cons for me, but you're welcome to share your own opinions! I do agree that battery lease can be a con. My first Zoe was a lease, but my current used Zoe is a Zoe i, as is my wife's. I also agree that granny cable should be included, but I did read somewhere that Renault don't like people using the granny cable as it's inefficient. I've got a Zoe cable because my Zoe was delayed coming from the factory so Renault gave me one for free.
I personally love my Zoe, an attitude that hasn't made me very popular on some EV forums!
What are your cons that you find? Which EV forums may this be? I find my little Renault Zoe is amazing when compared to other EVs you need to compare prices and for what Zoe cost it’s amazing build quality if you compare it to an I3 that’s 3 times the cost I can’t see 3 times the value
We have a Mk1 Zoe, with a battery lease. We were looking at upgrading to a Mk2 Zoe primarily to increase the 80 mile range to 150-180 miles. When comparing the cost of a Zoe with battery lease against an iZoe, it was, surprisingly, 8 years before the iZoe became cheaper. 8 years! Who owns a car for 8 years? Due a lot to the big discounts Renault give on battery lease vehicles. And of course should there ever be a problem with the battery, it’s leased.
Actually we decided to keep the Mk1 as the 80-100 mile range works for a second car.
If I need a granny cable (late install of charging point), I’ll be sure to use your link.
Hi. Good videos. I've watched all your battery lease videos and read the comments. My questions has not been asked. If I were to buy a second hand Zoe with a battery close to the 8-year warranty and when its 8.5 years old the battery fails, what does Renault offer?
If you brought a battery lease zoe then the battery warranty is as long as the battery lease is being paid so you’d get a repair or replacement. If it’s battery owned it’s 8 years and in which case nothing
a 20/20 split? surely you mean a 60/40 split rear seats. otherwise the middle 60% will still be standing
Stephen Campbell that’s easy to say with 60/40 hindsight
@@Nobody_Famous erm...... okay
Thanks for your ownership review. I'm with you on the lease option it has been really significate in lowering the entry point for EV ownership. Originally I guess because people mistrusted the longevity of EV batteries, but now it makes sense because you are only buying half the car and leasing the other half. therefore you depreciation is only on the portion of the car you own. I'm sure if you owned the battery outright from new for 3 years the total value of the car would depreciate by more than the £1,800 (36 at £50/month) you'd pay for the battery lease for the average EV driver.
There is a "Con" which I've never heard a review mention and when I've mentioned this to Renault Dealers they seem to be completely unaware of. In the boot, there's no trim on the threshold of the boot and over into the boot, but there are cut out stamped into the bare metal of the body shell. Therefore small items in the boot could disappear from the boot and be lost into the bowels of the body shell. Why didn't Renault put any trim here or at the very least extend the boot carpet a 100 mm or so up at this edge.
Finally, did you have a slip of the tongue and say you'd reviewed the Jaguar i8? There is an iPace from Jaguar and an i8 from BMW which did you mean to say?
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Regarding the boot bit you mentioned i know what you mean however i didn't mention it as its not uncommon for cars in this class to have the same thing, i currently have 3 cars in stock from 3 different brands all with same issue so it seemed unfair to mention something no unique to zoe however i agree its a silly bit of design.
Yes very much a slip of the tong issue with recording all my videos NON scripted.
I have used the granny cable, and for us in the early days it was essential and made visiting distant relatives possible.
haha, its also useful for someone people while awaiting for chargers to be installed, customer asked me other day why its called the granny cable so i said "you tend to use it when seeing the granny"
Zoe having rear drums instead of discs. Rear discs wear out very quickly on all cars because the brake bias is towards the front. That means rear discs on an EV that uses regen for braking will rust up very quickly. You could need new rear discs on some EVs every 3 years or every MOT if you're unlucky!
I need help to understand how the charging works! So these EV cars does any universal charge work? Like what im trying to say is you know how Apple has their own charging thing and samsung has a different one too is it the same with cars?
There are standards however there has been 2 standards but NOW all new cars in the EU have to have TYPE2 plugs
Type1 cars like Nissan Leaf also had chademo fast charging these 2 standards tend to be on same car
Then we have type 2 which for fast charging uses same plug but with 2 large pins and that plug is called CCS
If you drive anywhere you can always charge as rapids have all standards needed and public chargers you use a supplier cable that came with your car
Am I right in thinking that early model Zoe can't rapid charge? This is why Renault introduced the Q90? I would have thought that would be a negative point I was also curious that if I sold a leased battery Zoe privately, it sounds like I would be liable for the lease payment until the new owner took on the lease. What would happen if they didn't?
All early Zoe's could rapid charge, the Q engine been around for a long time, they in fact brought in the "R" motor later which is more efficient on charging and driving but can't charge over 22 kwh If your not subscribed yet then make sure you do and check out the older video about the motors. When you sell the Zoe privately there is a transfer form normally done START till FINISH in 3 hours but if the proposal form for the lease is pre filled then transfer takes an hour.
Of all the cons, the mediocre back seat was the hardest for me to swollow - I drive a Scenic II and are really spoiled with the awesome modularity and spacious cabin and boot. - Will I be able to easilly put my mountainbike in a Zoe? Do I have to just ditch the rear seat alltogether? Besides that, I totally fell in love with the Zoe, test-driving it. As you say, it drives really well and I liked the seating position, that was similar to my Scenic. (Finally, I am one of those few people who thinks the Leaf gen 1 is so much better looking than the rather generic, boring could-be-any-Nissan gen 2...)
I have just got a Zoe with battery lease. Yes I worry that it's a financial commitment that I could have avoided by buying the battery - but then if I had gone down the purchase route I would be worrying about battery deterioration. As my wife drives the car as much as me I would want to have the AA recovery anyway and frankly a perpetual warranty is not a problem.
Fully agree Dave welcome to my channel! Hope you find some of the videos useful on your journey to learning about EVs and the zoe
I've just been out for a test drive of the Zoe with my wife and daughter. They sat in the back, with me and the salesman in the front. I really enjoyed the drive and the acceleration was spot on for this class of car. The steering was nicely weighted and the overall opinion was positive. After the drive, I was all smiles, but my wife and daughter both hated it. They said it was really crashy and bumpy in the back. They said it was much worse than our old smart forfour, which is bumpy. My daughter also said that she felt more car sick than our old banger. I was very surprised and my wife said no way will she want this car. She also said everything felt cheap as well. I have to say I was disappointed with her opinion of the Zoe. In the front, however, I thought it felt quite punchy and was definitely quieter than my old forfour.
Am I alone with this impression of this car. Watching this video prompted me to go for a test drive and I really enjoyed it, but I have to give the leaf and soul a drive to compare.
I’ve been in back of zoe never had issues but if you were doing what most New EV drives do when first driving which is belting your foot down like it was an ICE car then they might of felt little car sick due to speed off line but this is easily stopped by getting used to car and driving it slower off the line, regen also takes a bit to get used to maybe have wife drive it and daughter in front
Loved it!!! I got my Zoe in October. I'm about half a year into owning it. Quick question - spare wheel. What on earth do you do if you get a puncture in a Zoe? The manual talks about a 'tyre pressure kit', but there's none in my boot. The car came form a Renault Retail Group branch.
Under the boot liner u shud have a compressor and a bottle of tyre weld. If you don’t tell the dealer they should sort it FOC, if your car is leased your also get free breakdown cover
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Nicolas Raimo Absolutely!! Already did. The car didn’t come with the tyre weld, so I will try to get RRG to get one for me. At the last service, my tyre pressure sensors came faulty. Apparently it needs two new valves. Next service will also include brake fluid change... hefty hefty hefty price...
how did you get in the rear doors, i cannot see the door handle..?
Hi Nick, a couple of cons to consider: 1. Dealership expertise and support, Renault are still struggling to have expertise at the dealer in both sales and service. In my case it took 3 visits to get a SOH on the battery. The restriction to only depend on the Renault dealer given this handicap, makes this issue a problem. 2. Glass quality, the upper edge of the windows scratch easily with dirt, the front windscreen could have benefited from heated elements like the Twizy for defogging. 3. You can’t have the vent work both the windshield and the front vents at the same time - a bug confirmed at the dealership. Even though the vent controls shows that you can, it only puts it on the windshield vent mode. A couple of pros to consider: 1. The potential for a 22KWh to 40KWh battery upgrade brings a new lease to the older vehicles, being tested in Europe right now. Why upgrade the car, when you can just add more range in a battery upgrade. 2. ECO mode feature is well designed, having averaged 92% over 5K Miles all the while enjoying and not compromising much on driving style and speed - only compromise is 60mph vs. higher speeds on the motorway with a conventional vehicle. The savings in costs and additional range makes it a good feedback loop feature. 3. The Tyres on a 16” rim, reducing rolling resistance by over 10% of energy usage over the 17” variant is a definite plus. Being super light, these Zoe purposed designed tyres by Michelin are amazing in grip, all weather (inc. snow) and stretches out the range even further. As you mentioned, the design, tight steering and low centre of gravity makes this car nippy and balanced for an in town car. The rapid charging option is a MUST considering this vehicle.
Lots of EV dealerships suffer from poor training, apart from TESLA of course, you have to remember this is a culture shock to many long term people in the motor trade, of both sales and support. This will see many either retrain or resist change. personally not noticed any issues with glass in fact i'd say its strong a had a lime stone wack me hard and never even chipped. Not noticed that? you got your rlink updated to newest version as this changes stuff with heating believe it or not. The EV tyres great in snow i can't believe how good the grip was! How long have you have your Zoe now?
Nicolas Raimo - I got my Zoe last year, and having driven many sports cars in the past, on road and track, the Zoe is actually surprisingly an amazing bargain if purchase post-lease with low milage. The dealerships need to sort themselves out, there is no excuse given the availability of training and hands-on product. I won’t be looking at petrol based vehicles again as Electric performance is now proven to be better than the combustion engine in so many departments. As for the glass, in comparison to BMW, the hardness is just not there. Maybe they need to look at Aluminium glass. It isn’t the impact resistance, but the scratch resistance is the issue. The Twizy has a nice defogger, not sure why they did not use it in the Zoe. Owning both I get to see both, having owned the Twizy for 3 years now.
If you enjoyed this Review of the Renault Zoe, and your looking at buying one we have 2 for sale at luigimotors.com due in next week!
PS one in review and one on the website as of 23/06/18 has sold, new one's due in at 65 and 16 plates, feel free to contact me or Luigi Motors direct for more info.
Hi Nick, I agree with the most of your pros and cons about the ZOE. I own a Q-Model wich can charge with 43 kW on three phase. In Germany most households have 3 phase current available, in most cases with 16 A wich is 11 kW to charge with (in my case it's only a granny cable because I live in a flat in the city ;).
For me, leasing the battery is a big pro because for longer trips at the weekend I often rent a fossil car (my wife has not as much patience like me ;) and while not driving 700 km with the ZOE I save more than 75% of the money for renting the fossil while driving more than 7500 km :).
Glad you enjoyed it! please stay subscribed i make new content EVERY week. Where in the lovely Germany do you live?
I live in Mainz, near to Frankfurt ;)
I'd like to come Frankfurt sometime i love Germany, the Germans are by far the friendliest Europeans I've met. DO you have a 22kwh or 40kwh battery?
I think Tesla’s have always been up to 11kW on 3 phase, they used to be able to upgrade to a dual charger to enable 22kW, which was dropped, and then they offered a high power charger upgrade to 16.5kW, which is now standard.
Great informative information as always :)
Teslas and Renault were the first to use 3 phases. All the others exept for mercedes dont.
Hi Nick, nice review.
For me the only con that bothers me is non split fold rear seat and don't really understand why they didn't make it 50/50 or 60/40 can it really be down to cost? Having said that, the Zoe is my wife's car and I can't remember her ever folding a rear seat in any previous car. The other cons don't bother me at all, for me cup holders are not an issue, I hadn't really noticed the noise when charging, battery leasing makes the Zoe affordable to the masses and gives peace of mind. Also if you can afford it, you have the option of the i version with no battery lease. Overall I think it is great car for the money and good looking too.
I am seriously considering a 40Kw R110 i as I do longer journeys and don't want to be restricted when it comes to annual mileage.
If longer journeys look more at the Q motor :)
John Douglas unfortunately the new Zoe only comes with the R motor.
I think you might be wrong Renault have the Q motor listed as a £750 option www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/zoe/motor.html
It still comes in Q, unless you want to order the purple then its only in R or if you wanted the higher BHP but if you want a new zoe from factory the Q is still for sale just many dealers don't try to sell it.
or 20:30 or 20:20!
My Renault ZOE just showed 'ELECTRIC FAILURE DANGER' sign on my dash board as I got in and tried to start the car. The start button didn't respond, the steering wheel got locked and there was a sound (plane sound) from under the bonnet. I called RAC and they couldn't find any fault. They managed to unlock the steering and the warning signs were still there. When I called Renault dealer as suggested by RAC their earliest app was after a week. Is this something to worry about?
Can be a ton of stuff... It can self clear in which case no worry carry on your likely never see it again.... However could be a host of things you got warranty or extended warranty?
@@NicolasRaimo Thank you for replying. I have electric vehicle warranty for a year.
Hi, thanks for the review, really informative, I’m thinking about buying a Zoe, only problem is my garage is about 10 meters from the house and there’s no electric, so I was thinking it would be ok to charge with a heavy duty extension lead connected to a granny cable?! Also does the car lock the cable whilst charging? Thanks
+Rafael Costa you could do that and yes the cables locked but it might be better thinking of a more long term solution which would be if you own all the land between the garage and the house dig a trench lay a pipe down to feed a large cable threw and put a electric warning tape above it and then have some armoured cable pulled threw, that way in the future when you get a bigger or even 2 EVs you can charge faster
Nicolas Raimo Thanks mate, it’s a shared land with the next door neighbours 😔 and the front of the house is street parking only, bit of a pain, but I think I might still do it, buy an orange extension cable so people can see it and hope that the neighbours don’t complain 😂 thanks for all the videos, really good.
If you can get permission off the neighbours to dig up and lay a trunking that would be great have a word with them, offer to lay some trunking near there drive at the same time to future proof them at the same time, the trunking won't cost more than a couple of pounds its the cabling and the labour of digging that cost. If you check El's vlog you could do what she's done and use public chargers. If not already please subscribe and thanks for the kind words
Nicolas Raimo another question if you don’t mind, will the first gen Zoe, smaller battery, do a 60 mile motorway trip on a single full charge? Driving around 70mph.
Course ask as many questions you like, it helps with ranking my videos and i like engaging with people so always feel free to ask as much as you want.
YES in the summer it will do that EASY, winter you might just be on the edge but if your talking total distance as in;
10 miles to motorway 45 miles on motorway and then 5 miles off motorway then that should be fine as your mpkwh will average down.
Have just bought a 2015 R240. What's the battery percentage at which it would be replaced/repaired?
its 70 or 75 I can't recall from memory, however please see the videos on my channel about BMS update its likely your zoe hasn't had this applied.
Ikea beverage cups also fit the small cup holder!
When it comes to the leaf it's about loss of capacity bars. Is there much degradation of battery when it comes to the Zoe? As there is not much talk about it.
TIny!
Which Renault Zoe’s in the used £6k - 7k market have quick charge? Do all Dynamique Intens have it ?
Welcome to my channel please subscribe, there’s a video called “which motor” somewhere in my playlist sections which will help with that, if your ready to buy a zoe now I have a quick charging one in stock at work
I'm torn between a new Zoe and a new BMW i3 (not the S) on a 2-3 year business lease. The Zoe is cheaper and has a longer range but I think the BMW charges much faster. So when I do longer journeys (200 plus miles) Hampshire to Lancashire, I would need to stop once or twice anyway. The BMW looks very cool too and with Apple car play works with my iPhone, unlike the Zoe. What would you do in my position?
Stay tuned video on the i3 coming VERY shortly! However NEW zoes can only be purchased currently with 22kw charge speeds unless you get a 2nd Q motor. So yes currently BMW NEW wins on charge speed however depending how SOON your wanting a new car there's hopefully a new zoe this year with CCS. Car for car i prefer the zoe but if you need to save 20 minutes of waiting at a charger then BMW would win, however with the range of zoe you need to work out how likely you'd ever need to charge and how much extra charge you might need you might find you only need 10 minutes at 22kw to cover your trip in which case its not a big deal
@@NicolasRaimo - Thanks for such a prompt reply! I'm test driving both this week so will let you know. Love your channel as it's so full of useful "real world" information...
Cheers Simon i try keep my channel lightly entertaining but with info people want to know. Let me know which you go for also please share the channel with friends on facebook try get more people into EV's
You can now buy out a leased battery from RCI since a few weeks/months. This is confirmed by RCI. The price depends on age/km and i think also SOH.
In some parts of the EU you can force this but not currently in the UK
Ok, in Switzerland it definitely works now. Prices are quite interesting, specially for older vehicles.
Hi Nick - is it a concern upsetting the neighborhood when charging the Zoe, particularly at night, with that charging ?
ronald millsopp the whine is not all that bad, outside it's only just audible, enough to let people notice it's going on so they don't trip over the cable, I park and charge mine between the houses, so it's echoy and the most you get is almost like a mild tinnitus
As other have said once your a bit further away noise isn’t really there it doesn’t carry very far like most high pitch noises, my spot where I charge at home it directly under my neighbors bedroom window which has been open last 2 months due to heat wave and they haven’t mentioned it once
The sound in the video is a much lower frequency buzz than what you hear in reality. It is a much higher frequency sound and I have to be quite close to the car to hear it. It also isn't a particularly unpleasant noise. However, one bizarre effect of the Zoe charger is that you can sometimes hear the noise reproduced on domestic appliances! Some people have heard their microwave oven making the sound and in my case my I can hear it very faintly if I stand close to my Panasonic plasma TV. The upside is that you know when it has finished charging :)
The interference isn't RF it is mains borne. The sound from my TV is exactly the same high pitched whistle as the car. It doesn't come from the speakers but presumably the TV power supply. I thought it was my hearing at first.
if you hear the sound inside your home call who fitted your OLEV grant charger there is a fix for it and its under the OLEV warranty, Craig Tonge RZOC had issue with his home charger on his TV been fixed!
The lower buzz was the granny charger, I hear the high pitch noise quite well but once am about 2 car length away i can't hear it, however lets me know charge has started at ecotricity when i walk away
Thanks Nic - good points and agreed about leasing the battery - it does give people unfamiliar with EV’s peace of mind , lowers the initial outlay and as the lease cost is linked to mileage - it’s win win win if you have low mileage for obvious reasons - perfect car for urban use , parking and being greener
Very true Leo linked with mileage means if your a LOW mileage user its much cheaper to lease. It can also benefit HIGH mileage users because of the battery warranty and if you had a ZE40 and were doing HUGE mileage there unlimited package would be cheaper again,
when i'm 18 i hope i'm able to afford a Zoe. i love EV's only downside is that the insurance is pretty expensive
cons - I've become an EV bore,
Haters, I've had my numberplate pulled off, and my wheel arch kicked whilst charging.
Pro's - defrost timer,
£0 road tax
in Ireland we have to pay €120 eur annually for road tax on a BEV - should be €0
Just minor annoyances with my Zoe. The standard Michelin tyres pick up stones from the road more effectively than any other types of tyre I have known. The speed limiter increments by 1 mph per press on the setting button - why? All speed limits I have come across bar one are multiples of 10 mph. Even holding the button down does not increment through the speed settings - most irritating. The fuse has to be removed to reboot the R-link system when it freezes. This is fine on a LHD Zoe, but on RHD, half the fuse board is obscured by the panel next to the glove box. Lastly, the charging port fills with snow unless covered... Otherwise, it is one of the best cars I have owned.
Welcome to my channel don't forget to click subscribe, not personally noticed tyres pick up stones to be honest, however now you mention the cruise control thing i see your point it should increase by 1 but then groups of 5mph on hold a press. You should NEVER really need to remove the Rlink fuse, press the HOME button in 5 times fast and fully and the screen should reset. I personally not had my port fill with too much snow there's a bit there which i just wack out the way and its fine, try driving something with a SIDE port there more annoying specially when you go to a rapid.
Thank you for your helpful video in terms of reliability; Zoe does not have a good reputation. It has a rating of 82 percent versus 94 for the Nissan Leaf. Especially I am considering a 2016 model. I have heard consumer reviews mentioning a lot of technical flaws, which makes me hesitant to get one. what do you think?
Zoe suffers with a few suspension parts that go wrong and other niggles, if your worried buy an extended warranty to cover you.... However the Zoe battery health is always HIGH 90's... Leafs of same age and mileage normally low 80's what's more important to you French car with its normal niggles but super solid battery... Or a well built Nissan but with terrible battery management...
@@NicolasRaimo thanks for your reply, what about safety ? do think the 2016 model is safe enough when driving on high ways? and about the milage, if I want to drive 70 KM every day at 120 speed. will this car be enough? 88 hp (65 kW battery power for the car I want to buy.
Hi!
I just bought a used 22kw Zoe from a dealer without battery lease. It had a lease on it before but i was very specific about not being interested unless i could buy the battery. I payed around 3800 GBP for the battery alone.
So it seems it is now possible to buy out the battery from an existing lease (not sure if it was possible beacause im a new costumer and not signed in to a battery lease).
This might be old news but i thought i would share :)
Hi Adam the dealer fed you some porkies you 100% can't do this on a battery lease zoe, so either its a zoe "i" model or the dealer you got it off will end up paying your lease fee for you, I can bet this wasn't a Renault dealer
@@NicolasRaimo It is a certified Renault dealer. He told me he had been in contact with renault in Paris and got it cleared.
Might be a possibility that the dealer will pay for the lease. But the deal i signed staes specificly that the battery is being bought and i havent signed any agreement regarding a lease.
I am very close to the LARGEST renault ZE dealer in country and Renault UK and also RCI who control the battery lease and NON of these have informed me any different, I will double check but i suggest you ring RCI Renault and ask them it might even be worth checking if your car is even an I model. I find it very odd that non of my above sources known of it happening or say its possible
@@NicolasRaimo Might be worth noting that i live in Sweden. Different rules for different markets? I got the feeling from my dealer that reanult wasnt very keen on striking this kind of deal. The lease is a very lucrative buisiness i presume.
To just check some details you said 22kw zoe do you mean 22kwh battery or a 22kw R motor with a new 40kwh battery?
Point of order: the head of Renault recently said that all new Zoes have split folding rear seats.
They do now this video was recorded prior to this
@@NicolasRaimo can now also confirm that the Zoe certainly does: mine arrived in December - with split folding rear seats :)
I wonder why they could not have taken a Clio 4 body though and kitted it out with batteries and a motor - I do prefer the look of the Clio 4 over the Zoe i have to say.. even though one day I do want a Zoe .. and it will have to be this shape 2014/15 22kw because thats all I would be able to afford
Thanks god for everything 😊🙏
Hello Nick and the Zoe community at large!! Has anybody heard anything more about new batteries being retro-fitted to older Zoes? It would be incredible if we could keep up with the latest technology without having to buy a new car every time Renault brings out a new, improved battery. I vaguely remember reading on some forums that Renault are trying to build the new batteries in a way that makes them compatible with older cars. However, when I was the RRG in Enfield this week, I enquired about it, and they said that you do have to get a new car if you want a bigger battery. Very disappointed...
If you search my preview videos there’s someone getting one done from a 22 to a 40 at a Renault dealer this was a beta trail and non were done in the UK, this could change and might happen again in the future but I’d request no one hold there breath as they may pass out, if you have a battery owned model there be nothing stopping you getting it done privately
I have just bought a 66 plate Zoe that I will collect on Saturday, I was dead against battery lease at first but on deep thinking and what nick has mentioned on videos is, to own the battery the car would cost a lot more money making it unafordable to a lot of buyers, interest on finance would make the repayments higher and when you have finished all the payments you would want to trade it in for a new car, so yeah I have got a battery lease now and glad I have done so.
That's the major advantage for me on battery lease is the cost to buy in makes it so much more affordable as an EV, if your keeping it a long time then yes Total cost of ownership is higher however without it i couldn't afford any ownership and its still cheaper total cost compared to a ICE car.
Check back in with me once its arrived have you arranged a charge point install if not give ECOPLUGG a call national firm and tell them EV Nick sent you and there arrange a SUPER fast turn around for install
@@NicolasRaimo i'm in London and they don't seem to cover here :(
manor1013 they do there recently national give them a call mention me:)
@@NicolasRaimo ok will do, will let you know how I get on, is this a better option than chargemaster then?
He has more options of just one brand, he has I think 5 brands he can offer which help fit price budgets better also as I know the owner and co owner everyone I’ve recommended so far has reported outstanding service and quality of install. He’s also an eco warrior him self so he walks the talk unlike chargemaster that’s owned by BP
those front headrests (head restraints) have got to be marmite with some people - I particulary hate the design of them built into the seats like that. Why didnt they just put Clio mk4 seats into it and be done with it - .. there's a point would clio 4 seats fit into the zoe I wonder if one wanted to swap them??
I now own a zoe 2016 22kw, problem is the charging
at a 22kw stations max output is 7.7 kw about all 3 phases are under equal load, just not 22kw
not sure about home charge 1 phase output as this is going to be installed next week.
it was a long trip from bristol to norwich
can i plug my zoe in a 43kw charger and max out at 22kw
anyone had this issue i would like to know hoe to fix it.
Mar 19
Update after Auto car engineer done some investigation
Climate ECU shows 51 Bar for reference system pressure,
EV control unit shows correct system pressure 5 bar
software update to correct above.
Booked in on the 15th April for software update
Well Good News 15th April
Report from Renault
Checked for cause of aircon not working, Checked gas pressure all ok, Carried out Clip check on EVC computer, found EVC computer not configured to have aircon, Carried out reconfiguration of EVC computer and tested all ok
thanks for the video mate but put the microphone louder next time....
I need to buy some more audio equipment but till the money starts coming in from youtube i can't afford to buy it all i got a few paterons but that just about covers the cost of some of the shoots i do. Have you seen my latest video on the Hyundai Kona?
Did you say how wide the back seat, like can you seat 2 adults and a booster seat and not be sardines (in a ZOE can lol)
Haha not got 2 kids just a black labradoodle that rides solo on the back seat but taken 3 adults in there few times and it’s same as any other small hatch
Hi, Nicolas. I have an update on my Zoe that won't charge in one go. You suggested checking the 12 volt battery. The car has been into garages several times. This is what happens: the Zoe will charge for a couple of hours then stops charging. However, if I have a brief charge on the motorway on the way home then the car will charge for a long period at home. If I don't do this brief charge then charging cuts out at about 2 hours in, stops for about 8 hours then restarts of its own accord or if you open the doors. Readers, if charging cuts out during a charge when you have bought a Zoe, don't go past 30 days after delivery. REJECT. Mine is a defective car and Renault have done nothing but try to delay delay delay. I do not want anyone to have to deal with the daily problem that I have encountered and the obstruction of Renault UK's escalations team. Heed my advice and avoid the complete hassle that I have had and have to waste hours every week trying to deal with Renault UK and the dealer who sold me this defective car.
Edward does this happen on ALL chargers or just one make/brand charger? Have you got a charge delay set up in your settings? Is this a 22kwh or a 40kwh? try joining the Renault Zoe Owners Club (RZOC) on facebook for help on this issue or join a list of people who support me on www.patreon.com/raimonick for 1to1 support threw this issue
Edward mine is doing the same thing at home on my Zappi charger. It often stops after 2 hours or so and displays "Ongoing checks" on the dashboard, I have to unplug and plug in again to restart the charge. So you are not alone.
Hi, Oliver. Here's more news. Renault UK have accepted I can reject the car.but are still dragging their feet. It will charge successfully if I charge for a little bit, drive for a bit, then charge again. I need to test whether it cuts out if I charge for a bit, stop charging without driving and then start charging again. It will charge successfully if it rests for many hours and will even restart charging if its own accord after about 8 hours automatic rest. It is as if the battery can't cope with a start of a charge.
2019 cars seem to have a 60:40 split rear seat.
They started 2018 unless it’s a signature model
This car has quite a good following now, in all honesty, as far as the cup holder goes, all they need to do is measure it around a MCDonalds cup of coffee, as these are the same size euro wide
The cup holders are designed for European cans... here lies the issue they are all that redbull can size
The problem with the battery lease comes when buying the used car: I am looking for a used electric, there are many Zoes on sale...but I don't really want to pay 600-1000 extra euros per year, when the car costs 6-8k...
...maybe it doesn't show if the car is 2-4 years old and the car costs more, but after a while it becomes a deal breaker...
the reason the car costs 6-8k is because it is battery lease otherwise it would cost you 10-12k used, you have the choice pay more battery owned pay less battery lease
You know I am a Leaf fan Nick, BUT I did also nearly buy a ZOE. I am being honest therefore and NOT ZOE bashing. Ok. BUT aside from Battery lease , which I do think is a Con, you didn’t mention what were my 2 biggest Cons and why I went for Leaf in the end. My biggest Con was that it feels cramped and is less spacious generally than the Leaf, with a far smaller boot space. You mentioned the seat folding and you’re right that adds to problem. Leaf splits 40/60 so infact 2 kids can still sit st a push if need a lot luggage. But even just boot itself is quite small, not as bad as i3 granted. The other smaller drawback was the performance, having tried both, the torque and acceleration was just bit less than Leaf, although i3 was faster still than Leaf. For similar price I got more oooomph when hit acceleration in Leaf over ZOE. But it was close. The biggest PROs that I considered were the 22kW charging on Type2’s and great range of newest ZOE, and I liked the onboard computer more than the Leaf one.
No bashing there Sir plugseeker, My wife to be liked the fact Zoe was smaller than leaf, everyone buys to there needs, we have no kids or need for large car so Zoe is prefect size and her last car was a VW lupo so this was MUCH bigger. The seat split for me again isn't an issue yet, but am sure one day it will be. The leaf is a much quicker beast but compare it to ICE and all EV's are faster. Both great EV's just for me Zoe wins as a like a good looking body on my motor.
Nicolas Raimo We’ll see if you end up in a Leaf once potter patter of little ones appear! I used to have a two seater MX5 before our first kid and car seats!
Tesla next mate for me, Mrs won't drive a car bigger than zoe.
But what if i buy a lease zoe and i just dont pay anything to renault? What will happen ?
Couple of things there disarm it’s ability to charge, and issue you with court orders and take you court and reposes the car just like I’d you didn’t pay any other type of financial agreement
There's several people who reportedly got offers to buy out their lease battery. Thread here: www.goingelectric.de/forum/renault-zoe-batterie-reichweite/kauf-von-mietakkus-geht-jetzt-t32573.html (german)
Prices for the 22kWh battery range from 4500 Euros to 6500 Euros, these are offers that came directly from RCI Bank which handles the rentals.
lots of crossed wires there. The person UPGRADED there battery to a ZE40 however the new ZE40 battery will ALSO be on lease and the old 22kwh goes back to Renault. There are ZERO confirmed reports from the zoe club of anyone buying out a Zoe battery from RCI and not paying another lease payment. "UNLESS" there car was involved in a SERIOUS crash and the car was declared a TOTAL loss by the insurance company.
Regarding the battery buy-out program: If you buy a used zoe from EU and import into Poland RCI makes you buy the battery.... no joke
Yes it’s the only time there allow it, what figure did they quote you
Can you charge the zoe in a 110v outlet?
+Consabores where in Europe is there 110v?
Hi Nick, I sent you a private message last week but not sure if you got it or I didn't get a reply or you didn't want to reply. UA-cam messaging can be intermittent. Although I like driving the Zoe which was my mothers, I feel let down by the local dealer. I think I'll probably trade it in or sell it privately because the battery rent, even at £59 a month is too much for the small amount of driving I do in it due to the limited 65 mile in cold weather range. I have a Fiesta ST which is very different to drive but at least I can drive to work and back in all weathers without worrying about range. If I could get a decent trade in value on a new Zoe with the higher capacity battery, I may consider it.
hey i replied to it same day with my direct email address. if you have facebook you can DM me on facebook.com/raimonick/
Oh dear :-( I wonder what happened to it. I'll try another method later ;-)
try my new website contact form evnick.com just set it up today to help people contact me more easy.
I used to have a twizy.i hated paying the £30 battery lease never mind trying to sell the thing what a nightmare.also I like the look of the Zoe but there are lots of reliability stories especially the 1st gen models.the ugly leaf is a safer bet imo.
Battery lease on twizzy seems silly I do agree as it can only be used 6 months of the year really, and there is no option from new to buy without lease.
1st gen Zoe’s are fine mine is a first gen what you got in early days was poorly installed charge points and a zoe which likes a good connection refusing to charge or pulling so much current the charger couldn’t cope, these issues have all but gone now as installs tend to be tested correctly however they do still sometimes happen and people try still blame the zoe but once the charge post is reported the charge install repairs the post and it works for zoe. Other issue with zoe is a lot of the messages on the dash are poor French translations giving more concern than is needed.
A while back my aunt had to scrap her Modus at 7yr/60k because so many electrical issues... Renault's cost cutting on some parts of the Zoe to provide others at the price scares me off buying a used one, which is about where my budget lies.. especially as i am one of the people who would prefer a battery owned model, the main reason being that the lease is as expensive as fuel for my use
Lease always works out less than fuel and you need to also see it as a warranty on the battery.
@@NicolasRaimo the warranty on the battery is a good point, Aren't nissan/renault quite cool about the cost of replacements though? They used to say a Leaf was about 4 grand for a new battery. The cheapest ZE40 lease of 4500 miles p.a (i do more) is £59 a month... that's a whole tank of fuel. I'd probably be on the 9000m/yr ze40 plan at £90 a month... which is a tank and a half of fuel.... which is more than i use in a month, not even counting electricity cost. It's better value than poor old Twizy's lease, though.
battery lease cost always works out less than fuel for mileage your do, you need to remember EVs are way more efficient with there energy than ICE cars. Battery replacements are near £10,000 than 4 grand you need to factor labour etc...
It really doesn't work out any cheaper vs an economical diesel for my mileage, i'm sure it's true for someone who does more miles than i do. On the plus side, I hear the new leaf doesn't have lease.
@@johnbeer4963 if your not happy with battery lease buy a battery owned model WAY WAY WAY WAY WAY cheaper
Zoe is rare EV that can charge on 3 phase plug. 11kW at home, with good fuses 22kW.
It’s a clever charging system Using all the benefits of the type2 plug
Nicolas Raimo Actually only Renault and Tesla use full standard of type 2 plug.
CCS is a bodge on the standard, most CCS cars do not support 3 phase charge because 2 lower Type2 pins are left blank.
But CCS is so ubiquitous becazse it was subscidised by Germans.
Sadly CCS is what we have, it was a way to try keep the type2 plug and ass DC, this does mean you can run 2 standards and roll them out at same time, real benefit will come when Zoe does CCS AND 3 phase charging!
I don’t understand all the jargon: 3-phase; CCS, 22 Kw. Etc. Would help if you could clarify when you speak of these things what they mean to the average buyer.
Full jargon buster on my website evnick.com/about/ev-shorts-slangs/ I can't go into these on every video as regular weekly viewers will start to not be so regular.
Quick Answer however 3 phase power is normally found commercially there is a VERY old video on my channel explain in more detail.
CCS is a form of charge socket connection
The original Teslas had an option for dual chargers. Each charger was 11kW, so 22kW on dual (and at a cost in the thousands). Current Teslas only come with a single 16kW charger. Well done Zoe. Wiping the floor with the opposition.
New zoe has 22kw ac and ccs stay tuned To my vlog I’ll be leaking official stats soon, I did a video with some guess work on the new zoe based on some leaks but this new video is 100% correct will record soon
Hey Nicolas , i Just ask rci to buy my battery of my Twizy ... And ... I can! After 2 years i still have to play 2400 euro's ... But after checking the state of the battery (72%) i am not going to buy IT
Yes they always been flexible on a twizy battery, whats the replacement battery % for a twizy?
@@NicolasRaimo also 75% on my contract ...
@@rubendewulf make them this offer "free battery" or replace it ;) your get it free but SSSSHHHH if am right please consider becoming a pateron if i saved you some money ;)
@@NicolasRaimo deal ;)
I can't help think the blue tint to the chrome logos are those peel off plastic protectors you get.
Funny enough it starts to flake off and now all new badges and replacements are silver
They do peel of over time, but will be replaced by a Renault dealer free of charge.
No DC fastcharging Chademo or CCS. In Sweden max 80 km charging per hour.
At highway speed it uses 2 kW per 10 km that is more then our Model S uses.
The batteries are cooled with fans that in not good in warm weather a problem on all cars with fan cooling. Batteries need controlled cooling with liquid. Like BMW i3 or Tesla.
I agree it’s not an ideal form of cooling but it’s much better than what the Nissan Leaf does
Nicolas Raimo But Nissan Leaf also uses fans. What is the difference ?
it doesn't have any fans to cool battery why we are seeing rapidgate, its cooled purely by natural air, Zoe uses the Aircon and fan blown directly over the battery
Nicolas Raimo thanks didn’t no that.
no problem, Zoe battery likes getting hot lets you charge FAST, where leaf hates it and slows charge rate.
Can you recommend a car up to £10k 2nd hand that would give me 150 miles ?
Your have to spend a fair bit more that now prices have massively increased if you keep an eye out on luigi motors for a battery size over 40kwh
@@NicolasRaimo Oh dear ok thanks will do.
Oh , and I DO like the original Leaf design, maybe I am in a minority, or perhaps ZOE owners are biased 😄 I think it’s a classic look, reminds me a little of way the VW Beetles had a different look about them.
i think its like marmite the leaf that is
I just got a good second hand granny charger for 50 pounds 😊
I’ve never heard the granny cable make a noise!
its a BMW one, makes noise on the i3, and i8 and zoe, other granny cables don't tend to make this noise
Nicolas Raimo The renault and Tesla granny leads don’t make a noise.
Neither do one's I've linked below, Silly BMW
No problem for me with my 3 children. All the day I Use my Zoe essentialy Work-Home. Not to transport something at the back in the trunk of the car.
Just me and wife to be and we go on fine I did an Ikea trip with some huge items and I was impressed how much we could fit in
Nicholas... Where abouts are you...? Would like to come down and have a look at your cars...
more info on my location and contact form over on evnick.com
Do you have to service the Zoe at a Renault dealership to ensure your battery lease isnt voided or can it be done at any garage?
can be serviced at any garage that are happy to service an EV and know what there doing. There's a video on my channel about servicing please subscribe to stay up to date
Anyone had a electric motor failure? My 2nd one its going off tomorrow for fixing. Apparently very common in my year 2016. People asking for recall. Its so dangerous as stops dead and wont turn off stays in neutral makes a loud noise.
Hi Sam welcome to the channel, don’t forget to click subscribe... is this an R Motor? I’ve not had any of ones I’ve had or sold, did you have this happen both times and fault was as you say above?
They must have changed the rules because I purchased a 2016 Zoe in 2023 which the owner purchased the battery from RCI.
They have video about that on the channel, welcome to the channel
Eeee - Doesn’t she look lovely our Bev!
She's a gwjas looking BEV but i want them to make an RS edition!
It has some stupid flaws that any potential buyer should know about. And the biggest stupidity is that it could be fixed with firmware, but Renault just does not care.
If you live in a warm climate (never below 7 degrees C) these complaints/issues do not apply to you.
When it is cold, you can not control the traction battery heating. So if being on a journey when it is below -5C your maximum charging speed is 7kW even at 20% SoC. To get full charging speed the traction battery needs to be above +7C.
The heating of the cabin can not be controlled during charging. A workaround exists, heating can be turned on thru the app. But the temperature will still be drop to about 10C if it is below -10C outside.
The heating/cooling thru the app is limited to 10min, no matter what, but it can be repeated every 10min manually...
So it is not sufficient in low temperatures as it will not heat up the cabin or the traction battery enough when it is below +5C in 10min.
The supplied single-phase 230V cable is strict 10A only and has no adjustments neither in the charging cable nor in the car settings, it is always maximum charge speed and always to 100% SoC.
What's grannies cable?
a granny cable is a 3 Pin plug or EU standard wall outlet socket to type 2 which only has a charge rate of 10amps.
The battery lease Will screw you the moment you put the car for sale. They will charge you the lease EVEN if you aren't driving the car that's for me the biggest CON (JUNE 2019).
I buy and sell battery lease cars daily and own one personally, it passes soon as you sell the car
That battery lease is a nice racket for sure ...
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Free fuel makes battery lease even better , so far in ireland, north and south
Yes free fuel helps same applies to people in Scotland but even with my new energy deal I only pay 5p kwh for my EV fuel
10:05 Battery lease costs more than fuel. not less. and thats before electricity costs
How did you work that out what you paying for fuel and getting MPG
You will need Red Bull when you end up pushing it. What's the range on a winters day with the heater on 50 miles?
On the 22kwh model is more than that and on the Z.E. 40 it’s a hell of a lot more maybe watch the rest of my channel and learn more about EVs
@@NicolasRaimo I'm a qualified engineer I know a lot more about them than you. They are for the gullible.......... When fuel cell technology matures and comes down in price then we might have an alternative to fossil fuel powered cars, until then the dumb virtuous will buy these noddy cars. just look at it it's a heap of cheap crap with a big price tag.......... all that plastic where does that come from. The electricity you use is mainly derived from natural gas so who are you kidding.
If your an engineer then your be aware of efficiencies, which just means your argument for hydrogen lost seeing you need to create hydrogen using electric, then then fuel cell coverts it back to electric to run an electric motor.
My power comes renewables not only am I on a 100% green deal but I also ensure I chArge offpeak during low demand and high wind.
Rather than comment you know more about an industry then study it correctly first.
@@NicolasRaimo The EV has an overall efficiency of about 60% while the fuel powered car is about 20% (or less) efficient. When one considers the total path from primary energy, the efficiency of the electric car is 60% x 40% (grid efficiency) for a total of 24% while the fuel powered car has an efficiency of about 20%. So there isn't a lot in it about 4%, not so smug now are we?
As for Hydrogen, there are many methods of producing it other than electrolysis. It is a totally clean fuel the only by-product is pure water. It has all the convenience of fossil fueled cars. It doesn't need chargers and the time that takes, there is no range anxiety, it is the future.
@@coyote5735 your efficiency rates are wrong, you clearly don't want to debate in a sensible manor you just want to bark am right your wrong at me. If you want to discuss come over to twitter @raimonick and discuss in a public forum which is live rather than on one of my videos from 6 months ago. I'll then invite my "engineers" into the conversation who have a few more letters before and after there name than me
Battery leasing does not work for low mileage use if you consider day to day running costs.
Lets apply some simple maths for 3,000 miles a year
Battery lease cost alone is £708 a year minimum.
Add in recharging costs of £100/year makes the day to day running nearly 3 times that of an efficient diesel, which would only cost me £330 inc tax for those 3,000 miles (versus £808 for the Zoe)
Lease cost needs to be less than £20 per month to make it the same monthly outlay as my diesel car.
If lease cost remained at £59 a month, then the break even point is 10,200 miles.
But lease cost increase with mileage making the situation even worse.
For the Zoe, assuming the top rate of £110 a month, the break even mileage compared to my diesel car is a staggering 19,350 miles.
Sorry in terms of day to day running costs it just doesn't make sense to go electric, and that is VERY depressing.
Battery lease cost £588 minimum (4500pa) your charging cost are also off, your also missing savings from not servicing or repairing parts that go wrong
@@NicolasRaimo 22kw is £49/month. I took figures for the 40kW model min £59/month.
I do my own servicing that amortises out to maybe an extra £35 / year over an EV.. mainly engine oil/filter costs.
That changes the £59/month 3,000 mile break even point to 9,645 miles (but it'll be higher than this) and the £110/month to 18,825 miles,
EV's will have parts that wear out too.
Charging costs came from an on-line calcuator specific to the Zoe so its an estimate at £0.029p/mile.
With mileage you said you do a 22kwh battery be fine why get something you don’t need? What parts wear out on an EV? No exhaust, belts, chains....
@@NicolasRaimo The signal level and power electronics, anything that rotates.
Seriously they may be great for a substantial number of years. But with monthly budget limitations the old bank balance is going to drop and drop....My figures may not be 100% accurate, but they are in the right ballpark.
Much as I'd like an EV, I can't justify it.
EVs are much more reliable and cheaper to run ask tesaloop who are running cars with half a million miles without any faults
The biggest negative for me with any car is leasing. Biggest waste of money next to renting a place to live.
Some may agree with you Sofala, but like i said in video you have the option to buy either a leased or non leased model.
God loves a salesman? Said with my tongue in my cheek!
I don't understand this comment? if you don't want the lease battery model then buy the non leased model. You have the option at time of purchase...
I’ve never leased anything before until I leased the Zoe battery from RCI Renault. I must say having done it it’s really not as bad as people think. There are quite a few pros:
1) It costs about 5k less when buying new (so you can lease for a looooong time before spending 5k)
2) When you come to sell the car I found it helps as the sale price is cheaper and it completely eliminates any warranty/battery concerns.
3) RCI Were excellent with me, we’re now renting our second Renault Zoe and they didn’t bother the charge us for our excess mileage.
4) The warranty actually states a minimum of 75% battery performance where as many manufacturers(Tesla included) have no minimum performance spec.
5) Even after the batter lease we’re still saving a fortune, about a weeks worth of petrol savings pays the battery lease for the month, about half a week worth of petrol savings pays the extra leccy, and we’re still over £100 per month better off!
It’s really worth considering the battery rental.
Nice review, I would like to point out that having the charge plug on the front of the car is a big minus for me, I have a small garage and can not easily get to the front of the car to plug it in once in the garage. Having the charge point at the back and on the driver side would be a better design consideration for all small garage owners..
If you drive to rapid chargers it makes a lot more sense, but side ones are fine if you do a Tesla and hide it in the light I don’t like people putting them in petrol lid designs. I have a garage and decided to fit charger on outside and charge on drive as I knew wife to be would never put her car in garage when it needed charging
what year is this Zoe?
Hi think this one was 2015
Is it me or I didn’t here the cost of the battery lease anywhere ? You spend half the video talking about this battery lease and do not mention the price ? I must have missed it, surely.
I spent 2 points on battery lease, there's videos on my channel on battery lease if you want more info its also on Renaults website. It starts at £49 per month
The problem with Renault pushing battery lease is it perpetuates the myth that ALL car traction batteries have a similar life span to a phone battery. You, Nic, are continuing that falsehood by repeating the company line that batteries could fail but the lease will replace them when necessary (at a useless 70% of new?). How many Zoe's have had batteries so useless they've been replaced? I suspect few or none, therefore the lease argument is as valid as ppi fees were and just plays into the hands of companies who are against EV adoption.
What's tyranny cable?
Granny cable, check out the video I did last week all about cabels
This car is good for city driving it’s not good for driving long distances at all!!! It 80miles when it’s full which is just stress I end up spending more money because I need to charge after a few hours of driving. Tired of it taking it back to the dealership that I got it from!
Depends which battery model and your use case. My wife ONLY drives locally wont drive further so for her its 100% of all her trips. For me covers about 95% of all trips, however the new ze40 would cover me for about 99% of all trips and the new zoe would cover me for all trips on 1 charge apart from going the EU which would need some charge stops. How do you spend more money charging?
1like the first gen leaf from the design more then the old one. Especialy the odometer and theback of the car
Few people said that to me now personally dislike the look of leaf but goes to show we all have different taste, do you have a leaf?
No, the AC charging speed is too low :(
do you have an EV or thinking of buying one?
Yes, i will buy a ZOE in the Future.
But i have currently form time to time Access to a ZOE and LEAF V1 and sometimes on the passender Seat of an Autopilot tesla preFacelift
Battery lease may be OK on a new car but it doesn't work on second hand. You lease a new car but you "buy" second hand.When you buy with your own money that you have saved up, your not having another debt of battery lease. You would have to pay me to take a second hand Zoe with a leased battery. I can imagine its the sort of car that will be catching fire in the future or ending up in a river so people can get rid of them.
You can buy a zoe “I” model 2nd if you choose not to have a lease model personally like many other i prefer it. It’s all down to self choice
the 2019 zoe seats split. and its 60-40 not 20-20. 60/40 is the percentage of seat that folds, if for example was 50-50 would mean they would split right in the middle.
Cup holders...every renault fails at it. Even my megane cant hold anything other than a can.
High pitch noise, worth noting that most over 40's cant hear it cuz its around 11k hz.
Lease is only a pro only if you do like 30k+ miles a year. All the other crap about warranty/etc are pointless. the owned comes with 8-year warranty, the zoe also has the option to extend the FULL CAR warranty for £289 a year up to 10 years, WARRANTY FOR THE WHOLE CAR, the lease is 79-119 a MONTH, YES MONTH and only warrants the battery. Kills any fuel savings when you pay AT LEAST 10p a mile if you drive less than 10k miles a year. (in other words, you'd be better off getting a clio).
Regarding the breakdown nonsense, most insurers have that same breakdown/take you to the nearest charging point as standard, I'm paying about £250/yr with that included on LV, battery owned also have that by renault in the first 3 years.
Lease saves you 6k on buying new (12.5k vs 18.5k) yet used, the single cheapest battery leased zoe40 is (2017) is £9000, owned ze40 (2017) is on the market for £16800, so on buying for 12.5k in 2017 and selling for 9000 after 2 years, you lose 3.5k PLUS £2k lease = total loss = £5500. On the owned, bought for £18500 in 2017 , sell for £16800, you lose less than £2k.
Not to mention that all the cheaper leased battery zoes on the dealerships are sitting there gaining dust for weeks/months. The battery owned models (including this 16800 example) is likely sold the same day it gets posted on autotrader. I was shopping for used ZE40's around 16k-17k and everything i found would be sold within 1 hour, even if 3 years old, hence why i gone for 18.5k new one with battery owned.
Battery lease Zoe’s sell within hours of me listing them for sale