I took 6 months of krav maga training in Poland about 10 years ago. Not much, but i can tell you something we did/ From the "philosophy" standpoint, there was no, they said upfront, that their focus is on effectiveness, and that we are welcome to question all the moves they are teaching us. They called this a self defense system, not a martial art. The focus was to maximize your survival, so they actually advised, that your best strategy in a street fight is to run away, but they also acknowledged, that this is not the case, and sometimes it's not an option. We had regular sparing and grappling sessions, similar to the MMA training, and there was no holding punches. They said that in order to defend yourself you need to know how to fight, and there are not shortcuts or magic moves, that you can take there. We did train kicking groin with the dick protector made of hardened plastic. On initial lessons we aimed for an inside of the thigh, but they advised also to quickly buy the dick protector in order not to learn to kick incorrect place. Thy were fully aware, that if you hold punches or kicks during training, then you will do the same in a fight using the muscle memory.
Wow that sounds like a great school, I really like Krav Maga as a system but not a lot of the people who teach it since a lot of people teach Krav Maga off of a 2 day course they took to teach it. I like how you can question the moves that’s very transparent and sparring regularly in Krav Maga is awesome since a lot of schools don’t even do that and combined with pressure testing it’s great, it’s great that they practice illegal blows like how you mentioned and it’s good practice. I hope I can find a school like that through all the bad practitioners teaching lousy Krav Maga and I wanted to couple it with mma to improve the mma foundation of Krav Maga, so double down on the mma in both and combine the differences like what’s only taught in Krav Maga like pressure testing through disadvantageous situations and weapons fighting and disarms and tactics.
Are you still in Poland. I was in Poland this past July 2023. I'm going to Poland again in the summer 2024. I live in California. I did a 2 day grappling self-defense seminar in Lodz, Poland. Will do it again next year with Wojtek Adamusik's school. He's a black with Gokor Chivichyan and certified in JKD with Richard Bustillo and a student of Erik Paulson.
Hi, I agree with what you say. I have done Krav Maga for about 4 years now and have just started MMA. They are very different, true Krav Maga teaches to move forward aggressively and fight until the fight is finished. Provided Krav people don't think they're an ultimate fighting machine and that it has very real limitations then it should work fine, it is meant for the real world after all. For fighting in the ring, Krav doesn't teach how to fight effectively for that situation and I'm learning a lot from MMA. The downside of MMA is that it doesn't teach the basics of movement for multiple attackers or weapons. While I agree that nothing can fully prepare you for an attack with weapons I do think it's better to have a game-plan than none at all. Great talk and it's good to see you have an open mindset.
Martin Pratchett it doesn’t always teach to move forward, it often teaches to run, something MMA doesn’t. Also, teaches to focus at all costs to stay to the outside of multiple attackers, a very useful practice that’s saved me twice.
cheers Martin I agreed with the rest of your original post too which also made good points and was interesting to hear the contrast and transition you made.
@Carzo Parazzo Muay Thai techniques included in the Krav Maga syllabus: 1. Low round kick/ leg cut. 2. Push kick 3. Leg check 4. High block 5. Knee strike 6. Elbow strike (all variations- horizontal, reverse horizontal, vertical up, 12-6, etc) 7. Clinch The most basic and effective techniques.
And their grappling will never work against a grappler: only an untrained opponent who's exceptionally timid and reserved in regards to how much he wants to hurt them. I say this as someone who likes Krav Maga and thinks it's fun to train. But a mediocre BJJ blue belt will walk all over a Krav Maga black belt if he or she is untrained in BJJ. It's that simple. Ultimately, that's why MMA is the only way to train: having a single skill set leaves you vulnerable. But if you only know one martial art, it should definitely be BJJ.
Thanks for your opinion, I studied KM, Karate and Jiu jitsu, for many many years. And I've been in a handful of dangerous situations as a traveler, wrong time, wrong place... I was mentally prepared to fight, but I saved my ass with a question... One time I asked the aggressor : "where's your brother?" He answered and asked where I knew his brother from. "Never mind," I said and asked why he preferred Adidas (logo on his trousers) we had a conversation about sportswear and he forgot about the money he needed to get some other stuff... The secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go, I mean stay cool and don't panic.
@Senju Clan both :). Krav has enough grappling to teach u how to deal with opponents that dont know how to. And ju jitsu will help u become proficient enough to beat other grapplers. But start with krav first as most people who start fights and muggings dont know ju jitsu and ju jitsu wont always help with those situations while krav will
As someone who has been in "street fights" before and after having done both "self-defense" based martial arts and standard martial arts I can say: you're pretty correct. I always say knowing a little body language and trusting your gut is a VERY important, and often, underrated thing. I also say that "self defense training" is a bit absurd as most often they tend to, as you said, put you in ridiculous scenarios. We call them "scenario based defense" for that reason. I've talked to someone who was a person who "grew up fighting" as you say, and he agrees that the "scenario based defense" is largely bullshit and disarming people who have weapons is VERY difficult. As for the biting and eye-gouging thing, there are safe ways to train it and I don't think it's necessary or that anyone really should. Do you know the reaction of the opponent when they get bit? Just imagine for a second how pissed off you would be if someone kicked your nuts or bit you or scratched your eye. In addition: if you go for an eye gouge, it's likely you will break your finger IRL because no one stands still in a fight. The dirty techniques that actually woork are kicking someones knees in or throwing sand in someones eyes (I've done both). And there's an easy and safe way to practice those techniques. Have each other wear goggles of some sort and spar at 10-30%. Instead of actually crippling your sparring partner, you can place your foot right above their knee or tap it with your foot. No one gets hurt and you build new skills. Thanks for the great vids.
I think what people fail to account for is the fact that both KM and MMA are constantly evolving. If anything, Krav Maga is borrowing or adding techniques from MMA. They’re almost identical in terms of basic technique, but radically different in approach.
Mhmm.. from mma you saying.. i thine you don't know much about kraj maga and whole martial art history. What you gonna tell about mma roots, master? Waiting for answer
This is the best rationale I’ve seen on the UA-cam’s yet. It all depends on the viciousness of your attacker and what his intent is. If it’s a frat boy chump with something to prove, you’ll likely dominate with most martial arts. If it’s a real predator type who will kill you, your dojo training won’t be too handy. I have some training in BJJ but still carry a knife and conceal a 9mm at all times, and always practice situational awareness because the best thing to do is avoid situations where you’ll be attacked in the first place.
Good video. Krav Maga instructor here. You're spot on. It all depends on the school. My school spars kickboxing style, both light contact and heavy contact and we pressure test some (but not all) of our skills against a dude in a suit regularly. As you note, some of this stuff, unlike BJJ, just can't be pressure tested. How can we "pressure test" an eye gouge or a bite? While I have been attacked on the street and used my skills to effectively defend myself, any school that doesn't at least spar in some way is putting their students at a significant disadvantage. This is why many dudes call "malarkey" on some Krav schools...they have real world combat or force-on-force experience and know from said experience that those defenses simply won't work against a fully resistant opponent.
As said MMA allows you to test over and over the skills learned plus the strength & conditioning and of course you are already used to getting hit in the face. If anyone remembers when they started MMA or boxing the first time you got punched felt a bit weird and intimidating, just imagine that first time happening in the street.
yeah but being punched in the head with a glove is way different than being punched in the head with a sap. Actual fighting has no rules and weapons can be introduced at any point there is an opportunity that is the difference.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline Getting stabbed with a real knife vs a plastic one is also different. ITs all about the reflexes, eye to hand coordination and stress control. Spar like these 2 a week and you will still be better off than playing out unrealistic scenarios at a Krav Mega gym. ua-cam.com/video/jpUGKtXJCHw/v-deo.html
Great Video!! I will agree that no one technique wins a fight. However, I will add that I have been training in Krav for about 2 years now and we do have sparring sessions similar to MMA. We perform stand up sparring during the week and ground fighting ( sparring) on the weekends. I also supplement some of this training with Jujitsu. Thanks for the vid.
Krav maga originated from the Israeli military meant for killing and street fighting Guns, knives, and dirty fighting Now it became a marketing mc dojo My instructor was a navy seal, back in the military He taught us about groin hits, eye gouging, biting, and other survival techniques. As well as with melee weapons, and took us for shooting at the shooting range. But he also made us do sparring , Actual sparring, he taught us primarily boxing and wrestling with some muay thai kicks and bjj submissions as he was an mma instructor as well But in sparring he said, use whatever is suitable for you Of course we sparred with mma rules, we weren't gonna kill each other in training There is a difference between theory and practice he said In theory they are both the same In practice, they are not You're not gonna roll in concrete using bjj moves You're not gonna fight fair if someone is bigger than you on the streets, you're not gonna rush on someone if he is holding a knife, and you're not gonna play hero on someone who is aiming a gun at you I miss him, he was an actual teacher, not just a meathead selling his dojo, His dojo was a basement with a small mma cage, and other equipments like skip rope, first aid kits and melee weapons like wooden staff No fake knives, no nothing In training, we were taught how to fight dirty In sparring we were taught how to fight fair and square and learn how to take a punch on the face and a slam on the ring In the streets, we learned how to stay calm and not pick a fight with a loud mouth prick In the streets, we learned how to use our training to DEFEND AND USE IT FOR SELF DEFENSE until the police would come and put an end to the conflict In the street we learned to run away if we were outnumbered or if anyone would hold a knife or a gun And thanks to him, I became who I am today Krav maga is all about marketing If you want to learn how to defend yourself Make sure your instructor HAS the expertise and experience to teach you that. Peace.
I believe Boxing,wrestling,judo,and kick Boxing is for real life situations. The more you sparr and struggle with an opponent; the better chance you will have on the street. Karate is also good if you have a teacher that allows full contact sparring.
Yes alot of people will say that grappling is the worst thing to do for a street fight however they fail to realize that althoug wrestling is about rolling and taking poditions on a mat not all body slams end with you and your opponent on the ground a body slam where the other person is the only one to fall in the street is game over.
Very good video. I think you made some very great points, especially how you weren't biased and looked at the advantage and disadvantages of these fighting styles. However, I do believe it's possible to survive or not get shot or cut by weapons if you're in a situation with good training. It's not easy by any means but I know someone who personally survived with his previous training. And while self-defense styles aren't perfect it's better to go into a fight with training than no training at all.
As the old addage goes, everybody has a plan until they get popped in the face. The best tool for self defense is being able to think while being threatened or attacked. This is the most difficult part of self defense in my opinion. If you can overcome the most difficult aspect you can win with a single punch. But you still might lose regardless of whatever skills you possess.
Agreed. Muscle memory and confidence in chaos is key. My limited experince on the street I can't say I thought about a thing in the first 15 seconds. Just pure muscle memory and that was a power double leg. Done perfectly due to my time pressure testing and sparring. I did not think. I just did. Which is why I think self defense martial arts work once you already have a good base. But by its self I am skeptical.
I've just started Krav Maga and have been doing it for one month as part of a 3 month long Basic Course. I'm a normal guy who had no training in any martial arts. I'm just learning this so that I can defend myself against a criminal. I have no intention of picking a fight with anyone. Will Krav Maga help me in a regular mugging or assault? Or should I learn something else? I'm a skinny guy. It's kind of important for me to learn self-defence cause I'm more likely to get picked on then bigger stronger guys.
Some years ago I had two guys break into my motel room while myself and my girl friend were inside. Needless to say we had a hell of a fight before they ran out of the room. I don't think they expected me to be in the room. I managed to through one over my shoulder into the corner of a dresser and he ran out followed by his partner. But this was after about a minute (seems like an hour) of intense fighting. . I was taken to the floor at first but somehow managed to get on my feet probably because they were untrained on keeping someone down. Also my girlfriend screamed with one guy approached her and this scream set of and intense defense mode in me. It was like throwing a switch. This is as I remember is some years later and thing may have been a little different. I did have a face that showed I'd been in a fight and broke a finger hitting a guy in his open mouth. But we survived and they ran. Now they attacked me once the broke the door down and ran into the room. So the fight was on. I went from laying on the bed in my underwear to fight mode in a very short period. There was not fight or flight. I had no choice but to fight and protect her. I say all that to point out that my mind was very focused during the attack and I felt no pain and had a single minded intent to drive them out of the room. TO me that was winning keeping her safe and getting them out. I had some basic self defense courses that was very eclectic in style. It included some basic kicks, punches, grabbing, arm locks and take downs. BUT let me say it again - -B A S I C. Most of the fight was just raw animal instinct. I did throw the guy over my shoulder and almost without thinking but that was a throw I'd practiced since childhood and had less to do with the self-defense classes. Most of it looked like a bar fight accept I was in my underwear. . I also as a kid did wrestling (not formal ) and such so I was accustomed to physical conformations for sport or play. I had also been in a few fights but really not that many.. I will talk my way if of a fight if given a chance. As I said one of the two I throw over my shoulder when he tried to grab me from behind. The other one I did some damage to his face, eyes and one hand (fingers) by twisting it. I again think it would of been a different ball game if they were more trained as I would of been in deep shit. I would guess however that my face looked very fucking intense at the time. I had surgery on my broke finger and took some jokes from friends about the black eye but I was fine... It was a much better outcome than it could of been. If they had displayed guns or knives I'd be in deep shit. I think it is mindset .. Granted if I had not, by instinct known to bend my knees and pull him on my back before throwing him on the corner of the dresser in the room things might of been different. I think it took the fight out of him and give the other one the impression I knew more about martial arts than I actually did. SO they ran out (my opinion as to why they left ).. I don't know that the training helped as it was more like a bar fight to me.
One thing I forgot to say is that shortly after I returned home a guy that taught some form of martial arts (I don't remember what type now) said I would not of broke my finger if I'd attended his self-defense class. It kinda pissed me off. Yea I broke a finger defending against two attackers and we were otherwise unharmed (accept my face showed I'd been in a fight ) . We were not robbed and she was not beat up or raped. I was happy with the result and I am not sure any martial art could insure you would not get a finger broke in a REAL life fight against two guys about my side (6'0") breaking into my room.
I LOVE THIS ANSWER. By far my most favorite and unbiased video on this topic. You're now my fav mma UA-camr. I agree competitive is better for one on one. Like you said vs a group or if someone has weapon you're done. So best thing to do is learn tactical self defense with a weapon and live in a state w open carry and stay strapped or get clapped
The real answer: Who is doing the art? Who are they defending against? That is what decides how effective that martial art is. In other words.... "Someone ALWAYS knows more."
Your thoughts on this make sense. Interesting note: Krav Maga's history was that it originated in part from its founder doing wrestling & boxing, two parts of mma / modern martial arts, but grew from there to incorporate others as these two initial components didn't seem sufficient. What it's become in its present form may very well be a diluted version of what hailed from or used to be... Or maybe those of us who don't stand by Krav Maga entirely are just seeing beginner's KM.
There is almost no difference in most of the techniques. Imi was a national boxing and wrestling champion. The difference lies in the situation for which you are training, and perhaps some of the training methods (although that depends mostly on your school, not the system itself).
In my youth I had three older brothers that used to routinely beat my ass, so I never had a problem when it came to any one on one street or school yard fight (even against someone older or larger). Maybe someone should just open a gym where three punks kick your butt for no reason and make you do their chores three days a week - by the time someone messes with you you'll have so much pent-up anger that you'll probably rip their fucking head off..
I like your mentality on this subject.i think both can prepare you to fight but so many variables can happen in a street fight vs ring.your mentality is great wish others had the same
Thanks for the concise and high-quality perspective. I have about a year of KM and have read extensively on KM, MMA, and major martial arts. I have friends, and children, who have pursued martial arts as well. I'm an informed newbie at this point. I wanted conditioning and improved self-defense with low injury risk. I also looked at and mostly dismissed self-defense seminars. Seminars may be helpful, but the benefits of a short format will be limited, though it still may be worthwhile for someone who won't commit more time. As I inferred from your points, either MMA or KM training in this spectrum is helpful, especially against one, or very few, unarmed assailants. Some specific training has benefits beyond that, though odds drop significantly in situations with multiple attackers or weapons. I view MMA as a deeper commitment that would often be more effective at the limits, though it most likely takes longer for any given level and has a larger total time investment. The main benefit of either, IMO, is consistent, high quality, training, applied over time. Some resisting opponent sparring must be part of the program, probably more is better, even if it limits the range of available actions. It seems to me that the focus should be on developing effective, versatile, and powerful actions individually and generating adaptive responses from available options, not planned sequences. Self-defense discussion often mentions 'bigger-faster-stronger' opponents. Consistent training in most martial arts, MMA, or KM will reduce the stronger and faster aspects, reducing the odds against you significantly. You may not close the gap, but maybe it's 3:1, not 10:1. You have at least some chance that a kick, punch, elbow, or other action will induce an injury. Without that, your chances quickly approach zero. Of course, the mindset with situational awareness and a willingness to inflict damage if necessary, versus being an easy target and passive victim, will help in the real world as well. It is important that the best choice is to always use situational awareness, available exit paths, or social tactics to avoid altercations in the first place.
I agree that a strong limit to some martial art techniques is that you cannot apply them completely because you need your partner to stay safe. This is especially true for weapons training, and also in modern firearms where people learn to shoot targets in a variety of ways. This limit is one of the reason why forms were developed, to train with full intensity without injury. Anyway, any training method would simply be an approximation of reality. Take the groin kick: you may practice the kick with protection (in that case the recipient might not feel anything and would not react naturally) , you could avoid to kick the groin at all or you could simulate the target with bags or simply stop the technique before reaching the target. None of these is the real thing, but the only true alternative would be kicking random guys in the groin on the Street, not a practical one at all.
I'm so glad I started following you after taking your tai chi class at Weber a few years ago, because this is a question I'm struggling with right now! After some events that caused me to strongly desire some fighting knowledge, my brother (2nd degree bb in tai kwan do and shotokan) recommended I study krav maga to learn how to protect myself and not get attacked again. Which I wanna learn, to protect myself and others (don't worry, no superhero mentalities with spandex and capes)....But I don't know if I even have that fierce warrior drive to physically hurt someone, even when they're attacking me........do you have additional recommendation for dealing with that, or which discipline to study with that in mind?
Hey Christine! I remember you and I'm glad you're following my channel. Yes i would recommend three styles more than any for you: Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Krav Maga. A combination of the three would be ideal, but if you only have time/money to learn one, any of those three would do nicely. Are you still in Ogden? There are three main gyms i would recommend in Ogden: West Side Jiu Jitsu, Foley's MMA, and World Martial Arts and Fitness Academy. Good luck!
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy 😁 you have lots of students, but I'll still take the compliment that you remember my silly self. I'm not in Ogden anymore, but down in Murray. IDEALLY, I'd love to cut my teeth on all three, but time will push me to one for now, to start. If you have any recommendations farther south, would love to take a look!! I'm REALLY anxious/ excited to seriously start a discipline 🤩 (noob question) do dojos and gyms sometimes offer combination training?
Your discussion of this has been more balanced and fair than some I've heard. I watched your Krav Maga video. It looked like you were mostly in the level 1 classes. If you had been able to observe some level 4 or above instruction and drilling you would have a better understanding of where they were headed. I think level 9 is the equivalent of a "black belt", but I'm not sure. I have only been though 8 months of the introductory level myself so I am definitely not some kind of expert or badass. Something people should keep in mind (in general, different schools teach and emphasize different things) is that Krav Maga was originally adopted as a 14 day crash course in self defense to take people going into the IDF or other military/leo roles from zero to some kind of competency in basic fighting skills. I think it does this as good or better than such a 14 day course than many other martial arts would achieve. As you mentioned, it does a good job of instilling tenacity and confidence.
Im doing boxing but i dont feel it will cut it if i ever met someone with a good kick or something, and im thinking about doing Krav Maga as well, will the training go hand in hand or will the fighting styles combat one another?
Oskar Louis Bøggild At my gym boxing and kickboxing are a big part of Krav Maga’s curriculum. Know this, Krav Maga is a mixture of martial arts from the world put into a survival based system. It is based on the idea to end a fight as quickly as possible or to allow one to run or get a gun. Unlike , mma it doesn’t teach one to go toe to toe. With that said, I’ve learned that some techniques can’t be used on an I damaged opponent and must be broken down or maybe you’ll find yourself in the position due to the chaotic nature of fighting . Anyway, it teaches other aspects like situational awareness which will help you to be in a better position if you do get jumped or to avoid it all together. I train Krav Maga and I am supplementing it with Muay Thai, BJJ and Judo. I also, read a lot of manuals from other styles as well . Short answer learning something new is never a waste of time . There is always something to learn whether it is physically, mentally, or spiritually.
you will never meet anyone with a good kick who assaults you,attackers are mostly untrained but often bigger and very violent.Boxing is great for self defense but wrestling or judo or bjj would be best compliment,you dont need any additional striking art.
We spar all the time in the Krav classes I go to. It’s usually, we train a set of movements for most of the class with a partner and then at the end of class you spar with that set and there are clear winners and losers. Like in jiu jitsu, we more often spar the stuff that you don’t need gloves for because it’s a lot quicker and safer to get in to. We still do full sparring sessions with gloves where anything goes though. We also spar with weapons but weapons suck because you will always be at a severe disadvantage no matter how skilled you are but of course that’s just a reason to train weapons even more. If you have a rudimentary foundation of grappling and striking then you can beat the average trouble maker off the street but only weapons training will prepare you for dealing with an armed attacker. It make me you sound cool to shit on the guys who train worst case scenarios but those guys already have enough striking and grappling to handle best case scenario so it only makes sense to train more and more difficult situations. If your training consists of everybody following a set of rules then you’re not very well prepared for the real world. Nobody says any nonsense like “we’re going to teach you how to take on a gang of armed thugs with nothing but your bare hands” because that would be ridiculous and the most deadly humans on the planet would avoid that situation at all costs haha. What they do say is “hey, being unarmed and facing an armed attacker sucks and you need to avoid that all costs. If you can’t avoid it though, you should at least do your best prepare yourself for that situation.” To be fair though, I don’t think my gym even officially uses the word Krav because they’ve altered and expanded upon traditional Krav so much that they’re only as similar as most “self defense” courses.
I did full contact krav maga for a four years where we did all exercises with full force. Also we had a team where people who wanted to spare with each other could participate in MMA like fights. Can't count how many times I've been knocked or choked out but fighting against different fighters is the way to go. That was really, really good. I moved away and tried out krav maga in a new club and that was absolutely useless.. exercises had to be done slow and without force and full contact wasn't allowed.. So I guess there's a lot of different approaches.
Strike hard, strike first no mercy. Sensei John Kreese (Karate Kid). All jokes aside that’s great advise and in a situation on the streets with any kind of combat background it will give you a good chance. The world is full of tough dudes that have never trained a day in there life. Normally because they are strong, aggressive and they’re brutal. Don’t think you’re going to be able to pepper an 18st dude who is aggressive as hell with jabs and low kicks in a bar fight when he is windmilling you with all he has. Unless you’re Danny Larusso that is.
Actually we do kick to the groin during sparring. Of course we wear groin protection. And we spar with shoes on (you don't walk bare feet on the streets!)
I want to know what could be the best martial art for me to start, well for 1 having ailment( chronic disease) , and extreme anxiety. I want to try karate, and what I’ve gathered from 4 nights of constant video watching and practicing on my own, I like it. I’d wonder if I can try all, one class each in martial art.
Yeah i would recommend trying every martial arts gym in your town, and just see which one you like the most! I would recommend you look for the best instructor to train with, rather than the best style. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Sonny the Snowball best martial arts easy as the best boxer can only punch and there are many ways to counter a punch with just boxing it’s self but add in kicks knees elbows there are many ways to counter a punch and prepare for the next one
I think you are on the right pathway. Traditional Martial Arts are based on arts that are out of date. You do need to have a Love/Hate between Self Defense & Sport Fighting. The thing you are missing are the different levels there are. Yes, there are Traditional MA which today have evolved into belt system oriented, historical art and sport fighting which in essence is play fighting for fans. Both of these styles are missing a key element.... Life or Death. MMA is great, Boxing is great, Muay Thai is great, but you are focusing on the competitors being one on one, within 10 lbs of each other, and playing by the rules. Traditional arts are focused on Kata, belts, one point knockouts etc. Tactical Combat is not focused on engagement, its purpose is to finish someone without making noise, without gaining attention and likely depends on yours and your teams lives being at stake. Martial Science is the focus of real self defense. If BJJ or MMA is popular or Krav Maga is now gaining fame, a true self defense practitioner needs to be involved in all of those, along with weapons training, multiple attacker and weapon awareness and proficiency training. Most of what you see people training for is sport self defense which by American Law is know as mutual combat or a Street fight. Street Fighting is not self defense. You win a street fight. YOU SURVIVE a self defense. Sport Fighting and Martial Arts are the tools, weapons are tools, multiple attackers, getting punched while you sleep in bed, a van pulling up and yanking your child away from you into human trafficking are self defense. I love the martial arts. You need both and all variations to be truly effective... but self defense is a militant mindset you must train equal to sport fighting conditioning and training and the weapons or eye gouging techniques you learn are all useless when you don't understand that most self defense situations that are real (not internet self defense), happen instantly, violently, and with real consequence. Self Defense is Life or Death. Without understanding this you are set for trouble. Visit some 3rd world, very poor areas dressed nice acting entitled and then prepare to test yourself for real self defense. BTW, I am not trying to be an asshole. I really like your comments and think you are on the right path. You can still push an eyeball in, in controlled training or learn injurious pressure strikes in control the same way you may learn a joint lock without destroying a persons joint each time. I like your channel and have subscribed. I hope we can open a dialog and maybe do a video blog or discussion together. ua-cam.com/video/VTWtpcYiDw4/v-deo.html Respectfully, Grand Master Greg Fraser Jing Shen Kuoshu: Martial Science & Functional Fitness
Very true.. In the street, the attacker will never attack in the best situation FOR YOUR STYLE... So the best to do is know as much about all style as you can.. Its like seeing as much of the world to learn as much culture & knowledge...
Good point and Ive seen that video. Ive found its mainly grapplers who say no martial art prepares you for multiple opponents. This is when you hilight the dangers of grappling in a real situation. I always link in that video to show you do have a chance and its striking/boxing.
Thats a strawman, Mr. Hippo :) top of the line amateur boxer against several untrained, UNARMED men stumbling over one another. Brock Lesnar would dominate them too, that doesnt mean wrestling is answer for fighting multiple people. You bring friends and weapons against multiple people, not some "superior" martial art.
@@mikeypc3592 cute.. Try your striking in street fight with a DIV 1 wrestler or Judoka and photograph for posterity the moment you land teeth first into the concrete.
I agree with Chris. I have started Krav Maga. There are so many variables in all these situations. Best to avoid, if in the US a gun wins every time. Then the situations where you don't have a choice and this is the main point i think to any style you are using. Also if you read the million books out there by x bouncers they will tell you some people can be big, strong and know how to punch and kick but on the moment how you have to react. Many don't when push comes to shove. I personally don't think 1 is overall better. a crap MMA versus a decent boxer versus a highly experienced Jiu Jitsu can be the difference also. My belief for good self defence is keep it simple, distance, react and extract if given the choice.
I believe some have already mentioned this but Krav Maga is basically mma plus weapons techniques and defenses against common holds (two handed chokes, head locks, bear hugs, etc.). The founder of Krav Maga was a boxer and wrestler. Most of the striking in Krav Maga comes from boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate. Most of the grappling comes from wrestling and bjj. If you practice mma with the intention of learning self defense, then you should supplement it with a weapons based art (kali, mcmap, etc.) and some techniques for common holds (Gracie combatives).
I would say it depends a lot on the instructor/place where you train. And how much you train. Both are good, each trains some different aspects. The way I see it Krav Maga is more about actual self defence, the mentality you need, whereas MMA is about being a capable fighter. Krav Maga prepares you for a rather asymmetrical situations, the oponent has a weapon ,or there are multiple opponents. Not that it is that likely you can win those scenarios, but you are bit more aware of them and you are more ready to keep the right situational awareness. The MMA is more about fighting 1v1 with rules and that imho translates worse into real world scenario than Krav Maga (even though you might be a more competent fighter).
Self-defense should be a basic skill just like math, reading and writing. Jiu Jitsu is promoted as the ultimate self-defense system, but this is what Jiu Jitsu looks like against a striker and kicker (and if there are two guys against you, you're instantly doomed! The other guy will just kick you in the head while you're trying to cuddle his friend): How Kazushi Sakuraba Destroyed the Gracie Clan m.ua-cam.com/video/yjVM1eRSPlE/v-deo.html I've learned that the US Military and Secret Service, and even Israel, the home of Krav Maga, are learning Systema (which is a combat system tested and proven by the Russian Special Forces for survival during war times, unlike Jiu Jitsu, MMA and other sport martial arts, which are not only exclusively for one-on-one, but also don't train against weapons). I wish Systema were taught in schools (starting from kindergarten) instead of useless P.E. If everyone were skilled in self-defense, there would be less assaults, kidnappings and rapes because evil-minded people would hesitate to attack anyone, knowing they'll be in for a real fight, battling for their own lives. Here's a link about Systema: marylandsystema.com/systema-russian-martial-arts-is-one-of-the-secret-services-strongest-weapons/
I have a question. I'm about 6.3" and a little less 200 pounds. I have been swimming for over 20 years at high level and this year I stopped. I would like to start a martial art or a fighting sport in general. What do you recommend?
Krav maga in it's truest fashion is a good solid mixture of boxing, muay thai, judo, jiu-jitsu, wing chun and modern military hand to hand training in knife, pistol and rifle disarming techniques. Making krav maga more of a mixed martial art and combative than mma. I practice at a krav maga school and it's pretty legit as far as my opinion goes. It's not intended to turn people into Steven Seagal or Jean-Claude Van Damme but it will prepare people how to fend off an attack better than most fighting systems. With that said, self defense is a mindset; not a fighting style. The best defense against a dangerous situation is situational awareness. Become a master at that and your chance of ever having to use any physical defense will be reduced to almost 0℅.
Joe.....Nailed it. I've a background in American Kickboxing, Kung Fu, GoJu, Japanese Jujitsu, Judo and Aikido. I served 6 years with the military and then moved into policing. Now that I'm retired, I wish I had learned Krav Maga earlier. I practice it now with an IDF trained instructor from Greece. Our key training is ALWAYS situational awareness and look for the way out. Because at the end of the day, where do you prefer to be? At home in bed or on the street, dead? Now, that being said, I'm not knocking sport fighting. If you have those tools, they are very good assets. But they are boundaries and rules that are to heed. Does this make the practitioner's any different? Not in the slight. But how much environmental and situational awareness experience do they have? Depends. If they never really have been in a life and death situation, it's advisable not to let your skills get to your head. If someone's familiar with street life, they may be more alert to their surroundings. Krav Maga is more of technical and applied warfare tactics. (And not these unsanctioned UA-cam vids. I'm talking about actual IDF Krav Maga) It's tactics based on survival and actually neutralizing your enemy(ies). Not going to the ground and pounding him or hoping for a tap out. Because he may have some pals hanging around or might have stuff that cuts or fires ammo.
A contemporary martial art is essentially a martial art that progresses with time, as opposed to a traditional martial art, which continues a tradition and allows for less change. Boxing changes every generation, and if you compare boxing to itself every fifty years or so, it always changes drastically, so yes, it would be considered a contemporary martial art.
As someone who practices Krav Maga, he does have a point. Its not that Krav Maga "doesn't work", but some moves are so aggressive and damaging that you can't really go all the way with your moves anyway, which essentially makes you unprepared for a real fight. Also, this of course depends on the school and coach, but pressure testing against resisting opponents is more of a rarity than the norm in Krav Maga, which is definitely something you need in order to fight a real fight. Krav Maga works, as long as you are adaptable, have initiative and actually do pressure sparring against resisting opponents when practising.
I made a video on this very topic bud, and I do agree it is heavily disputed and is a contested issue! Very interesting though. And the topic usually inspires a lot of emotion from those involved within the debate.
I’ve seen dudes who are trained as well as dudes who are untrained beat up multiple people AND I’ve seen dudes with knives get disarmed too.. streets of London are a funny place 😂 Training goes a long way
From the modest exposure I've had to krav, a good school regularly pressure tests (at appropriate levels) and has special classes in striking, grappling, multiple opponents, etc., based on the principle of "what works". Also, many krav students aren't athletes, but average types seeking a self defense edge against a punk or bully, not a highly trained/fit combatant. I believe krav can train to beat those higher level opponents, but, like anything, it takes a lot of training and conditioning.
There is an assumption that Self Defense does not train all out fighting like MMA too. Krav Maga should have fighting against resisting opponents, even multiple attacker. Self Defense getting home when at a severe disadvantage & many times it avoidance, deescalation and methods to disengage. Running to safety is also sound self defense. When Krav Maga is taught properly, it consists of real fight training like MMA, and practical self defense methods to survive random acts of violence. You certainly were training at a Krav location that was missing key elements of the system.
The way I understand it (and it may be different for different organisations) Krav Maga has sparring against resisting opponent rather late in the curriculum at a higher levels. Proper sparring against multiple opponents happens only at the very end of the training. I think it is the last lesson for the Israel Military, they get a minute or several minutes, where they go against multiple opponents, it is not about winning, but about keeping going and not giving up.
the advantage of combat-sports (full contact, like MMA, MT, KB etc.) is having the pressure of the fight using + receiving full power, but sanctioned under a rule-set, weightclass, preparation, knowing you opponent (one - not multiple), no weapons, a. s. o. The advantage of self-defense-styles (like KM, WT/WC, MSD, etc. is preparing for a fight without rules weight-class, unknown number of opponents, possible weapons a. s. o. - but it´s difficult to train using full force (unless you use full protection, like blackman-suits) . A "real" street-attack (different to a street-fight between 2 guys who wanna beat up each other) never looks similar to a sports-combat, so if you want to prepare for a fight between hooligans of for K. O. T. S. a. s. o. train MMA, for self-defense-purposes train KM & Co., but incl. sparring (vs. 1 + multiple opponents) as realistic as possible for the health of your sparring-partners).... The best street-fighter is the one having experience inside ring/cage + as security, bodygurad, soldier, hooligan, etc. Youfight the way you train, so if you train for a sanctioned bout, you´ll fight incl. the rules - if you train for self-defense and never have been attacked under pressure + you´re not used to receive + use full power, your training won´t prepare you properly.. Most important in SD is learning how to deescalate a fight and/or getting prepared mentally for dangerous situations. Some great sprt-fighters have been destroyed on the street/in a bar, just because they didn´t relaize that the fight started anyway.
The one thing that you can count on in any confrontation is, " Expect the Unexpected " & Never ever underestimate your opponent. Finally, No matter what type of self Defense you practice? Discipline, Hard Training & Sparring is essential! This "First Contact " stop reset crap is just that? "CRAP !" "Combinations win Fights!" 1 of the First things taught in Boxing. Dan M. 🐾 My fellow Pugliosts know all too well Exactly what I'm saying.
As these two sides of the coin are debating these ego fed arguments that one is better than the other...the wise are training in both. I teach Samurai Jujutsu and our Modern Jujutsu is a combination of jujutsu, muaytai, sambo and USMC h2h. Kata for learning techniques, drills and sparing for learning how to apply them in real situations, and we occasionally surprise students with multiple attacks and trainer knives into sparing and flow grappling secessions
On average, mcmap. However, it really depends on your teacher. There are some phenomenal krav maga teachers out there that could train you just as well or better than a mcmap instructor.
Chris Kennedy oh wow I’ve heard a lot of people bash on mcmap saying it’s no good compared to bjj and judo because of the belt system promotes really fast unlike other martial arts and it’s bits of a lot of martial arts like Muay Thai etc all in a 3 year training but I didn’t know it has an edge over Krav Maga though
My belief is there is no end all be all. If you have Krav Maga under your belt along with MMA, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Tai ETC, you have an arsenal to choose from to defend yourself. I believe that if the discipline has attributes of self defense then it will work. Just like anything you must train to make it effective.
I have been training in krav maga for a couple of years and we on a weekly basis train against multiple attackers, we fight daily in class and we use knives and guns also so your opinon of krav is just that , an opinion. like one of the other comments , attend a higher level of krav and just feel how intense it really is
FAKE KNIFES AND GUNS** Same thing as the eye poking and groin kick, how many knife wounds and bullet holes do you have on your body? Don’t take it wrong, I do use plastic knife and air-soft gun in training and sparring too, it’s fun and gives us limited experience on how to get away from those things, but be frankly, 90% of the techniques that KM class thought on knife/gun defense are nothing close to realistic, for example, how many Krav Maga class teaches you to treat your wounds? Even the most basic: put pressure on your wounds to slow down the bleeding?
@@tangmingchen9237 Marines don't shoot each other in training. There has to be simulation. We all know it when we are doing it but it is the best we can practice without harm. Gun or knife techniques, in my opinion, are a last option and you are just giving yourself a better odds of survival. Let me say that my training was eclectic in nature for self defense and restraining. I am sure you better trained guys could take me to school in a few seconds. However from personal experience what I know does help in a street confrontation with guy with little or no martial arts training.
I don’t entirely agree with the last point. While yes there are specific moves you can’t spar with full force (such as eye gouging and groin kicks) you can definitely train aspects such as the kickboxing and bjj with full force. You can pretty much spar (partially) every technique with full force as long as you don’t (for example) provide full force in a groin kick or not wear a mask in an eye gouge.
It's like saying gracie self defense/combatives vs MMA.... the training protocol will dictate technique effectiveness. MMA is more specialized PLUS foundational skill set with physical conditioning. MMA should be the foundation you build off of. Specialize in a favorite art be it grappling or striking and it could be anything. Only after that you can enter the realm of Krav maga or any other defense tactics/ reality based programs etc. The names will vary from combatives or cqc street etc. The reality is basic boxing/kickboxing + wrestling /jiujitsu is the way to go. Bruce Lee really did his best to get to this point in his trainers well as his cinematic approach
Both great, but it depends on whether you can pull it off. And to be able to pull it off.... You need real combat experience. So that's why the answer is both. If you are a good MMA fighter who spars with Pros, and then you take up Krav maga, you are a deadly force to face. But everything depends on how skilled you are, if you are more skilled you will win. In the street, people will attack you wearing helmets and with hockey sticks.
I believe the contemporary martial arts are better do to actually practicing with another resisting person, sometimes larger. But keep this in mind to, I have seen a Jiu jitsu guy high mount a person in a street fight. Prone out on the guy an get bit in the stomach, causing him to go into convulsions, the guy would not let go. Top guy convaulsed so hard he was smacking his head on the ground. Just some food for thought in your practice.
In my opinion there is some significant differences. In MMA you have rounds, know there is going to be a fight and there is only one opponent. Also the fighters are matched.
MMA is excellent preparation for fighting. Remove the rules, the mindset of following them, & you're very close to a street fight. How I was taught KM, was there's fighting (strikes, defense, grappling, etc), then there's KM. If in a confrontation, you use fighting skills. KM is for situations you can't "punch & kick" your way out of. Fighting is fighting (punch, kick, elbow, knee, boxing, mt, bjj, wrestling, etc). Techniques for escaping chokes, grabs, headlocks, etc..., is where KM comes in. Along with a ferocious attitude. Make no mistake though, KM expert is probably a very good fighter.
I want to combine self defense and sport somehow. I say self defense is more useful once you have experience in sport but some people don't want sport. I don't think a resisting opponent is necessary once you have the experience but the experience changes your game forever.
i agree with you! if a mma practitioner learns krav maga hell be more prepared for the street than only km or mma. Incase of unarmed combat, its always mma but for unarmed vs armed or one vs many, its krav maga. Learn mma first, then go for krav maga(i am a former mma practitioner and presently into km).
@@mxu111 to develop powerful strikes and fight resisting opponents. Be able to take a punch or kick, get used to black eyes, bruises, bloody nose and lips, muscle pains, etc.
@@mxu111 no you do not at elite level of fighting, you do soft to hard sparring, and when it gets to hard you wear a full body armour like children in TKD :-)
Need a balance of both Self-defense knowledge and Competition based Martial art. the self-defense will save your ass and the competition will keep you in shape. Run away if its a group or they have a weapon only engage if its your last resort and you cant run away. I Practice World Kempo Karate I think its a well balanced art. I also do a little bit of Kickboxing for an extra bit of practice and conditioning.
I agree with him. The sport wrestling, Judo, Catch Wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai are better than the art because with the sport you practice with a resistant opponent. I actually do both anyway.
You need both kinds of training!!! At Kudo Ryu Bujutsu we STUDY and PRACTICE EVERYTHING!!! Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts, Krav Maga, Sambo, Ninjutsu, Military Knife Fighting Systems and ANYTHING ELSE we can GET OUR HANDS ON!!! We remain OPEN MINDED to ALL ARTS and ALL TRAINING METHODS...but SPORT (RESISTANCE TRAINING) and SELF-DEFENSE / TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS are STUDIED and PRACTICED with RESISTANCE WHENEVER and WHERE-EVER POSSIBLE!!!
I have many many year's of being a doorman under my belt. I also served time in the Force's and did other security in various country's. So I have lots of experience in street fights. I wouldn't like to have to count the number of fights I have had in clubs and on the street. I haven't had any in ring fights, but I have had many hours of sparring. In my opinion no matter what you train NOTHING prepares you for a real street fight. The speed and viciousness of it will shock most people. I have seen guy's with years of martial arts training behind them, being destroyed by guy's half their size. And with no training whatsoever. In sport you start the fight at each side of the ring/cage. And the ref asking are you ready. In real life you usually don't see it coming. Very often you have been hit several times before you realise that you are in a fight. And yes I know we all should learn to read a situation, and control the distance. So this doesn't happen. And I can do that every single time, IN THE GYM! But I have never had a real street fight in any gym. The first 5 seconds of a fight in the street is the important part. After that you have either found you bearings, or you have been destroyed. There is no bell in the street, and no ref to spot you tapping out.
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
I saw one MMA instructor that said if you are learning multiple disciplines at the same time it’s not MMA. It’s only effective MMA if you become proficient in one fighting style and you become proficient in another in order to round yourself out more but if you’re just training in everything then your okay at a lot but not actually good at anything and that’s not effective MMA. So MMA can’t really be better than Krav Maga because MMA could need Krav Maga. It’s like asking if macaroni and cheese is better than cheese. It’s a weird question to ask.
Awareness is in my opinion huge in any sort of altercation, example..guy at a bar gets into a bit of an arguement with random guy!!..few words passed guy turns to put his drink on the counter.gets sucker punched and glassed..zero training will help you there..situation awareness. Is key, also..unless you're in a life or death situation..which 99.9% of us will never be..if you gouge out someones fuckin eyeballs you're going to jail
My opinion from my perspective as a civilian cop, an MP attached to spec ops groups, and a bouncer, I've discovered that none are absolute. They all have their strong points and weaknesses. original KV is a combat art. BJJ has a street aspect, but not taught much, mainly only sport BJJ is taught. Then there is JUDO, and it has it's place. There is a form of aikido referred to as black aikido, it's a shunned version. Muay Thai and taekwondo and sambo has it's particular skillsets. I've not done any tournaments in 20 years, but what I do have experience in is actual down and out, gritty as can be, kill or be killed, almost daily experiences, most of which were highly trained in hand ti hand combatives. Many of which were trained killers. What I found out is, that I am grateful for having such a wide training background, because if I hadn't, id of been a dead man long ago. None of them are the "end all, be all", not by a long shot. (Every one of them have quite a few very exploitable weaknesses.) If I'm going up against someone using BJJ, i switch up my tactics to what I know BJJ is weak at. If it's an art that master's kicking, I stay the hell out of their kicks, because just one landed kick can end you. If it's a boxer, I stay away from their punches, again, they are master's at that. BJJ, judo, etc... I'm going to avoid their grapples at all costs. Even in competitions, (full contact) it almost always starts out well skilled, but almost always ends in an all out slugfest, whoever gets too tired, drops their guard the most, and whoever exploits that error. But there is another aspect in actual combat. Those that live are the ones who don't QUIT, who tap into their most primal instincts, fear of death. Where the obvious weaker man somehow transforms in the face of death, and in that moment, no how battered and beaten, they dig deep, and become more than human. And sometimes, either fate or luck comes calling regardless of a persons skill. And that's why I practice the only winning art there is, the art of not even being there when shit goes down!
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
2:59 I am no boxing fan but you will probably need to be an elite kickboxer/boxer and a D1 wrester and then 7 people would be easy. Let me put it to you this way, do you think Jon jones or Yoel would struggle with 7 guys with no fighting experience?
Absolutely. Lots of people study two martial arts simultaneously. I highly recommend studying at least two styles; it gives you different perspectives of how to deal with combat.
Krav vs mma for self defense my take . I actually took Krav for like 6 months I know not long but the only thing Krav has over mma is that is shows u how to use those arts in mma (striking:grappling ) in real life situations . It also shows u how to disarm weapons such as guns and bats metal bars you know things you see in real life situations , it also shows u how to deal with multiple opponents. So it shows real life situations. But in all honesty is this necessary? mma u have better trainers in boxing, kickboxing, muey Thai ,wrestling bjj ect . Mma also shows u how to use those arts in a real fight 1 on 1 . Mma training is Also much more intense so you get into better shape and u train with better quality sparring partners imo. Krav shows u how to use mma in real life situations as I’ve stated however do u really need to be told that your mindset must change on the streets ? Do u need to be told if there is multiple opponents u should use your wrestling and bjj to GET UP and RUN? do u need someone to tell u that if u use a double leg on the streets u shouldn’t slam your knee on the street when shooting in ? do u need to tell an mma trained fighter dealing with multiple opponents that u should stay on your feet and move quickly and strike just enough to RUN out of the situation? honestly imo no or at least I hope not lol . Does the mma fighter need to understand there are certain techniques that may not work on the streets ? Again hopefully not. Hopefully the mma fighter has common sense and knows how to adapt his mma into a street situations. So Krav isn’t that necessary imo . I think a mma fighter would benefit from a few months of Krav here n there just in case a self defense situation came up they might be better prepared in an actual street In counter but then again a lot Krav teaches is basic common sense as stated above ... if I had to choose only one that being mma or Krav for self defense mma imo is better for reasons I stated above . But if u can train both then that’s even better . Krav is better then individual arts by themself tho (boxing,wrestling,bjj ect) Bc it combines them in one complete system . Just be shure of u decide to take Krav that your instructor is qualified. :). But again if I could choose the best overall completel system for self defense mma Is King .
So there's Actually an old schools UFC fight were it was krav maga vs a D1 wrestler eventually became I think like a 3x ADCC champion and a jiu jitsu black belt and the fight between them is almost laughable of the realistic ability of krav maga in a rule set that had little to no rules. The fight is Actually UFC 14 Moti horenstein vs mark kerr. Moti horenstein's record was 1-6 and was Actually a commander in the Israeli army. Sounds tough right? Got man handled 1st round after getting repeatedly slammed and ground and pounded by mark kerr. Also how is Cambodia?
Pretty MMA guys know how to kick to the groin. Its just a high oblique kick. Every other UFC fight is temporarily stopped because of an accidental groin strike
I think if you’re athletic and masterfully good at any martial art it can be effective. It’s just that there aren’t enough people that are actually seriously good enough to prove it because everyone is to busy worrying about what does and doesn’t work. It’s not the martial art it’s how you use it. That’s the whole art part. They all work but only if you use them in a way that actually works. For example you can have the best kicking form but if you kick in a way that’s ineffective or you’re kicks are slow as hell then it’s pointless. It’s not that martial arts that use kicks don’t work. It’s just that you suck at using kicks or your kicks are weak and you have to train. If everyone had insane hand eye coordination then you would think boxing wouldn’t work because people would just catch every punch you throw. It doesn’t mean boxing doesn’t work. It just means you have to be less predictable and move faster. If you are exceptionally good at something you wouldn’t have to do it multiple times to prove yourself. Someone who’s an exceptionally good fighter in any style could technically wait for the right slip up and win a fight in one move whether is be a kick, throw, elbow, or punch. Even Ba Gua as flowy and non aggressive as it is if you manage to palm someone in the chest at the right moment then they will hit the ground hard as hell and if you’re quick you can even knock them out once they hit the ground. It’s about knowing what you should do when you should do it and applying the skill. People don’t get that when they think about what does and doesn’t work. If you have crap balance don’t do anything that takes your feet off the ground because it requires balance and you most likely won’t use it in a smart way. Also there is not martial art that counters everything else in the world. Anything is possible. For example Ba Gua is cautious so although it’s not very aggressive it’s about avoiding force. If that goes against a BJJ person the BJJ person might face the problem of someone who uses Ba Gua really doesn’t want to be touched and although there’s a lot of slow circular movements strikes happen very hard and very fast so it’s a high stakes situation for both. If the BJJ guy gets hold it’s pretty much over but if the Ba Gua master evades or counters his movement as you know in a fight all it can take is one hit. Keep that in mind. Worry about how you’re going to use it because it’s not just going to work for you. When people ask these questions it’s like they are playing a video game and they lose and say “this controller doesn’t work” but the ironic part is that YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER!!! (😂 I haven’t even watched the video yet)
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I took 6 months of krav maga training in Poland about 10 years ago. Not much, but i can tell you something we did/ From the "philosophy" standpoint, there was no, they said upfront, that their focus is on effectiveness, and that we are welcome to question all the moves they are teaching us.
They called this a self defense system, not a martial art.
The focus was to maximize your survival, so they actually advised, that your best strategy in a street fight is to run away, but they also acknowledged, that this is not the case, and sometimes it's not an option.
We had regular sparing and grappling sessions, similar to the MMA training, and there was no holding punches. They said that in order to defend yourself you need to know how to fight, and there are not shortcuts or magic moves, that you can take there.
We did train kicking groin with the dick protector made of hardened plastic. On initial lessons we aimed for an inside of the thigh, but they advised also to quickly buy the dick protector in order not to learn to kick incorrect place. Thy were fully aware, that if you hold punches or kicks during training, then you will do the same in a fight using the muscle memory.
Wow that sounds like a great school, I really like Krav Maga as a system but not a lot of the people who teach it since a lot of people teach Krav Maga off of a 2 day course they took to teach it. I like how you can question the moves that’s very transparent and sparring regularly in Krav Maga is awesome since a lot of schools don’t even do that and combined with pressure testing it’s great, it’s great that they practice illegal blows like how you mentioned and it’s good practice. I hope I can find a school like that through all the bad practitioners teaching lousy Krav Maga and I wanted to couple it with mma to improve the mma foundation of Krav Maga, so double down on the mma in both and combine the differences like what’s only taught in Krav Maga like pressure testing through disadvantageous situations and weapons fighting and disarms and tactics.
That’s what exactly what my instructor says in sgs Krav Maga
Yea there’s like 3 legit schools in the states. Israel and of course Polish guys in the best schools. I’d still say the best is both.
A Muay Thai fighter trains in precision kicking as well. It doesn't take much thought to kick the groin instead of the femoral nerve.
Are you still in Poland. I was in Poland this past July 2023. I'm going to Poland again in the summer 2024. I live in California. I did a 2 day grappling self-defense seminar in Lodz, Poland. Will do it again next year with Wojtek Adamusik's school. He's a black with Gokor Chivichyan and certified in JKD with Richard Bustillo and a student of Erik Paulson.
Hi, I agree with what you say. I have done Krav Maga for about 4 years now and have just started MMA. They are very different, true Krav Maga teaches to move forward aggressively and fight until the fight is finished. Provided Krav people don't think they're an ultimate fighting machine and that it has very real limitations then it should work fine, it is meant for the real world after all. For fighting in the ring, Krav doesn't teach how to fight effectively for that situation and I'm learning a lot from MMA. The downside of MMA is that it doesn't teach the basics of movement for multiple attackers or weapons. While I agree that nothing can fully prepare you for an attack with weapons I do think it's better to have a game-plan than none at all. Great talk and it's good to see you have an open mindset.
Martin Pratchett it doesn’t always teach to move forward, it often teaches to run, something MMA doesn’t. Also, teaches to focus at all costs to stay to the outside of multiple attackers, a very useful practice that’s saved me twice.
@@domzbu those are excellent points.
cheers Martin I agreed with the rest of your original post too which also made good points and was interesting to hear the contrast and transition you made.
Great combo!
I trained Haim Zut KM and was told off for moving in to a target once I had already made space. The philosophy is to get away and survive.
The original Krav Mags didn't have grappling or Muay Thai. It does now. It has evolved as martial arts should.
Its just only 3 o 4 techniques
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@Carzo Parazzo Muay Thai techniques included in the Krav Maga syllabus:
1. Low round kick/ leg cut.
2. Push kick
3. Leg check
4. High block
5. Knee strike
6. Elbow strike (all variations- horizontal, reverse horizontal, vertical up, 12-6, etc)
7. Clinch
The most basic and effective techniques.
True. But they still focus on low percentile techniques and hypothetical situations.
And their grappling will never work against a grappler: only an untrained opponent who's exceptionally timid and reserved in regards to how much he wants to hurt them. I say this as someone who likes Krav Maga and thinks it's fun to train. But a mediocre BJJ blue belt will walk all over a Krav Maga black belt if he or she is untrained in BJJ. It's that simple. Ultimately, that's why MMA is the only way to train: having a single skill set leaves you vulnerable. But if you only know one martial art, it should definitely be BJJ.
Thanks for your opinion, I studied KM, Karate and Jiu jitsu, for many many years. And I've been in a handful of dangerous situations as a traveler, wrong time, wrong place... I was mentally prepared to fight, but I saved my ass with a question... One time I asked the aggressor : "where's your brother?" He answered and asked where I knew his brother from. "Never mind," I said and asked why he preferred Adidas (logo on his trousers) we had a conversation about sportswear and he forgot about the money he needed to get some other stuff... The secret to a long life is knowing when it's time to go, I mean stay cool and don't panic.
@Senju Clan both :). Krav has enough grappling to teach u how to deal with opponents that dont know how to. And ju jitsu will help u become proficient enough to beat other grapplers. But start with krav first as most people who start fights and muggings dont know ju jitsu and ju jitsu wont always help with those situations while krav will
I definitely agree
As someone who has been in "street fights" before and after having done both "self-defense" based martial arts and standard martial arts I can say: you're pretty correct. I always say knowing a little body language and trusting your gut is a VERY important, and often, underrated thing. I also say that "self defense training" is a bit absurd as most often they tend to, as you said, put you in ridiculous scenarios. We call them "scenario based defense" for that reason. I've talked to someone who was a person who "grew up fighting" as you say, and he agrees that the "scenario based defense" is largely bullshit and disarming people who have weapons is VERY difficult. As for the biting and eye-gouging thing, there are safe ways to train it and I don't think it's necessary or that anyone really should. Do you know the reaction of the opponent when they get bit? Just imagine for a second how pissed off you would be if someone kicked your nuts or bit you or scratched your eye. In addition: if you go for an eye gouge, it's likely you will break your finger IRL because no one stands still in a fight. The dirty techniques that actually woork are kicking someones knees in or throwing sand in someones eyes (I've done both). And there's an easy and safe way to practice those techniques. Have each other wear goggles of some sort and spar at 10-30%. Instead of actually crippling your sparring partner, you can place your foot right above their knee or tap it with your foot. No one gets hurt and you build new skills. Thanks for the great vids.
I think what people fail to account for is the fact that both KM and MMA are constantly evolving. If anything, Krav Maga is borrowing or adding techniques from MMA. They’re almost identical in terms of basic technique, but radically different in approach.
MMA borrowed from every where else, hence the name, MIXED martial arts.
@@thepatriot.5112 so did Krav Maga
Mhmm.. from mma you saying.. i thine you don't know much about kraj maga and whole martial art history. What you gonna tell about mma roots, master? Waiting for answer
Very good point, RealisticRage
This is the best rationale I’ve seen on the UA-cam’s yet. It all depends on the viciousness of your attacker and what his intent is. If it’s a frat boy chump with something to prove, you’ll likely dominate with most martial arts. If it’s a real predator type who will kill you, your dojo training won’t be too handy. I have some training in BJJ but still carry a knife and conceal a 9mm at all times, and always practice situational awareness because the best thing to do is avoid situations where you’ll be attacked in the first place.
Good video. Krav Maga instructor here. You're spot on. It all depends on the school. My school spars kickboxing style, both light contact and heavy contact and we pressure test some (but not all) of our skills against a dude in a suit regularly. As you note, some of this stuff, unlike BJJ, just can't be pressure tested. How can we "pressure test" an eye gouge or a bite? While I have been attacked on the street and used my skills to effectively defend myself, any school that doesn't at least spar in some way is putting their students at a significant disadvantage. This is why many dudes call "malarkey" on some Krav schools...they have real world combat or force-on-force experience and know from said experience that those defenses simply won't work against a fully resistant opponent.
As said MMA allows you to test over and over the skills learned plus the strength & conditioning and of course you are already used to getting hit in the face. If anyone remembers when they started MMA or boxing the first time you got punched felt a bit weird and intimidating, just imagine that first time happening in the street.
yeah but being punched in the head with a glove is way different than being punched in the head with a sap. Actual fighting has no rules and weapons can be introduced at any point there is an opportunity that is the difference.
@@WilliamAshleyOnline Getting stabbed with a real knife vs a plastic one is also different. ITs all about the reflexes, eye to hand coordination and stress control. Spar like these 2 a week and you will still be better off than playing out unrealistic scenarios at a Krav Mega gym. ua-cam.com/video/jpUGKtXJCHw/v-deo.html
Basically it comes down to the reality of the training in what ever style you do.
I decided to take both mostly mma and later take Krav Maga since Krav Maga is mma with other teachings
Great Video!! I will agree that no one technique wins a fight. However, I will add that I have been training in Krav for about 2 years now and we do have sparring sessions similar to MMA. We perform stand up sparring during the week and ground fighting ( sparring) on the weekends. I also supplement some of this training with Jujitsu. Thanks for the vid.
Wow.. humble, honest guy and a down to earth, no bs answer. Good video. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks Troy I appreciate that. Not many people go out of their way to leave a nice comment, so thanks for being one of the good guys 👍🙏
Krav maga originated from the Israeli military meant for killing and street fighting
Guns, knives, and dirty fighting
Now it became a marketing mc dojo
My instructor was a navy seal, back in the military
He taught us about groin hits, eye gouging, biting, and other survival techniques.
As well as with melee weapons, and took us for shooting at the shooting range.
But he also made us do sparring ,
Actual sparring, he taught us primarily boxing and wrestling with some muay thai kicks and bjj submissions as he was an mma instructor as well
But in sparring he said, use whatever is suitable for you
Of course we sparred with mma rules, we weren't gonna kill each other in training
There is a difference between theory and practice he said
In theory they are both the same
In practice, they are not
You're not gonna roll in concrete using bjj moves
You're not gonna fight fair if someone is bigger than you on the streets, you're not gonna rush on someone if he is holding a knife, and you're not gonna play hero on someone who is aiming a gun at you
I miss him, he was an actual teacher, not just a meathead selling his dojo,
His dojo was a basement with a small mma cage, and other equipments like skip rope, first aid kits and melee weapons like wooden staff
No fake knives, no nothing
In training, we were taught how to fight dirty
In sparring we were taught how to fight fair and square and learn how to take a punch on the face and a slam on the ring
In the streets, we learned how to stay calm and not pick a fight with a loud mouth prick
In the streets, we learned how to use our training to DEFEND AND USE IT FOR SELF DEFENSE until the police would come and put an end to the conflict
In the street we learned to run away if we were outnumbered or if anyone would hold a knife or a gun
And thanks to him, I became who I am today
Krav maga is all about marketing
If you want to learn how to defend yourself
Make sure your instructor HAS the expertise and experience to teach you that.
Peace.
I believe Boxing,wrestling,judo,and kick Boxing is for real life situations. The more you sparr and struggle with an opponent; the better chance you will have on the street. Karate is also good if you have a teacher that allows full contact sparring.
I couldn't agree more.
Yes alot of people will say that grappling is the worst thing to do for a street fight however they fail to realize that althoug wrestling is about rolling and taking poditions on a mat not all body slams end with you and your opponent on the ground a body slam where the other person is the only one to fall in the street is game over.
Very good video. I think you made some very great points, especially how you weren't biased and looked at the advantage and disadvantages of these fighting styles.
However, I do believe it's possible to survive or not get shot or cut by weapons if you're in a situation with good training. It's not easy by any means but I know someone who personally survived with his previous training. And while self-defense styles aren't perfect it's better to go into a fight with training than no training at all.
As the old addage goes, everybody has a plan until they get popped in the face.
The best tool for self defense is being able to think while being threatened or attacked. This is the most difficult part of self defense in my opinion.
If you can overcome the most difficult aspect you can win with a single punch. But you still might lose regardless of whatever skills you possess.
Lol /$mirk
Exactly my opinion & experience in the ring!
Thnx for making me laugh.
Daniel M 🐾
Agreed. Muscle memory and confidence in chaos is key. My limited experince on the street I can't say I thought about a thing in the first 15 seconds. Just pure muscle memory and that was a power double leg. Done perfectly due to my time pressure testing and sparring. I did not think. I just did.
Which is why I think self defense martial arts work once you already have a good base. But by its self I am skeptical.
I've just started Krav Maga and have been doing it for one month as part of a 3 month long Basic Course.
I'm a normal guy who had no training in any martial arts. I'm just learning this so that I can defend myself against a criminal. I have no intention of picking a fight with anyone.
Will Krav Maga help me in a regular mugging or assault? Or should I learn something else?
I'm a skinny guy. It's kind of important for me to learn self-defence cause I'm more likely to get picked on then bigger stronger guys.
Some years ago I had two guys break into my motel room while myself and my girl friend were inside. Needless to say we had a hell of a fight before they ran out of the room. I don't think they expected me to be in the room. I managed to through one over my shoulder into the corner of a dresser and he ran out followed by his partner. But this was after about a minute (seems like an hour) of intense fighting. . I was taken to the floor at first but somehow managed to get on my feet probably because they were untrained on keeping someone down. Also my girlfriend screamed with one guy approached her and this scream set of and intense defense mode in me. It was like throwing a switch. This is as I remember is some years later and thing may have been a little different.
I did have a face that showed I'd been in a fight and broke a finger hitting a guy in his open mouth. But we survived and they ran. Now they attacked me once the broke the door down and ran into the room. So the fight was on. I went from laying on the bed in my underwear to fight mode in a very short period. There was not fight or flight. I had no choice but to fight and protect her.
I say all that to point out that my mind was very focused during the attack and I felt no pain and had a single minded intent to drive them out of the room. TO me that was winning keeping her safe and getting them out. I had some basic self defense courses that was very eclectic in style. It included some basic kicks, punches, grabbing, arm locks and take downs. BUT let me say it again - -B A S I C. Most of the fight was just raw animal instinct. I did throw the guy over my shoulder and almost without thinking but that was a throw I'd practiced since childhood and had less to do with the self-defense classes. Most of it looked like a bar fight accept I was in my underwear. .
I also as a kid did wrestling (not formal ) and such so I was accustomed to physical conformations for sport or play. I had also been in a few fights but really not that many.. I will talk my way if of a fight if given a chance.
As I said one of the two I throw over my shoulder when he tried to grab me from behind. The other one I did some damage to his face, eyes and one hand (fingers) by twisting it. I again think it would of been a different ball game if they were more trained as I would of been in deep shit. I would guess however that my face looked very fucking intense at the time.
I had surgery on my broke finger and took some jokes from friends about the black eye but I was fine... It was a much better outcome than it could of been. If they had displayed guns or knives I'd be in deep shit.
I think it is mindset .. Granted if I had not, by instinct known to bend my knees and pull him on my back before throwing him on the corner of the dresser in the room things might of been different. I think it took the fight out of him and give the other one the impression I knew more about martial arts than I actually did. SO they ran out (my opinion as to why they left )..
I don't know that the training helped as it was more like a bar fight to me.
One thing I forgot to say is that shortly after I returned home a guy that taught some form of martial arts (I don't remember what type now) said I would not of broke my finger if I'd attended his self-defense class. It kinda pissed me off. Yea I broke a finger defending against two attackers and we were otherwise unharmed (accept my face showed I'd been in a fight ) . We were not robbed and she was not beat up or raped. I was happy with the result and I am not sure any martial art could insure you would not get a finger broke in a REAL life fight against two guys about my side (6'0") breaking into my room.
I LOVE THIS ANSWER. By far my most favorite and unbiased video on this topic. You're now my fav mma UA-camr. I agree competitive is better for one on one. Like you said vs a group or if someone has weapon you're done. So best thing to do is learn tactical self defense with a weapon and live in a state w open carry and stay strapped or get clapped
Thanks man! I really appreciate the support. Let me know if you ever have any martial arts or fitness-related questions!
The real answer: Who is doing the art? Who are they defending against? That is what decides how effective that martial art is. In other words.... "Someone ALWAYS knows more."
If you are Jon Jones or Gsp or lomachenko none know more than you.....
Your thoughts on this make sense.
Interesting note: Krav Maga's history was that it originated in part from its founder doing wrestling & boxing, two parts of mma / modern martial arts, but grew from there to incorporate others as these two initial components didn't seem sufficient.
What it's become in its present form may very well be a diluted version of what hailed from or used to be... Or maybe those of us who don't stand by Krav Maga entirely are just seeing beginner's KM.
There is almost no difference in most of the techniques. Imi was a national boxing and wrestling champion. The difference lies in the situation for which you are training, and perhaps some of the training methods (although that depends mostly on your school, not the system itself).
In my youth I had three older brothers that used to routinely beat my ass, so I never had a problem when it came to any one on one street or school yard fight (even against someone older or larger). Maybe someone should just open a gym where three punks kick your butt for no reason and make you do their chores three days a week - by the time someone messes with you you'll have so much pent-up anger that you'll probably rip their fucking head off..
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I like your mentality on this subject.i think both can prepare you to fight but so many variables can happen in a street fight vs ring.your mentality is great wish others had the same
Thanks for the concise and high-quality perspective.
I have about a year of KM and have read extensively on KM, MMA, and major martial arts. I have friends, and children, who have pursued martial arts as well. I'm an informed newbie at this point. I wanted conditioning and improved self-defense with low injury risk. I also looked at and mostly dismissed self-defense seminars. Seminars may be helpful, but the benefits of a short format will be limited, though it still may be worthwhile for someone who won't commit more time.
As I inferred from your points, either MMA or KM training in this spectrum is helpful, especially against one, or very few, unarmed assailants. Some specific training has benefits beyond that, though odds drop significantly in situations with multiple attackers or weapons. I view MMA as a deeper commitment that would often be more effective at the limits, though it most likely takes longer for any given level and has a larger total time investment.
The main benefit of either, IMO, is consistent, high quality, training, applied over time. Some resisting opponent sparring must be part of the program, probably more is better, even if it limits the range of available actions. It seems to me that the focus should be on developing effective, versatile, and powerful actions individually and generating adaptive responses from available options, not planned sequences.
Self-defense discussion often mentions 'bigger-faster-stronger' opponents. Consistent training in most martial arts, MMA, or KM will reduce the stronger and faster aspects, reducing the odds against you significantly. You may not close the gap, but maybe it's 3:1, not 10:1. You have at least some chance that a kick, punch, elbow, or other action will induce an injury. Without that, your chances quickly approach zero.
Of course, the mindset with situational awareness and a willingness to inflict damage if necessary, versus being an easy target and passive victim, will help in the real world as well.
It is important that the best choice is to always use situational awareness, available exit paths, or social tactics to avoid altercations in the first place.
Glad I stumbled across this..We practice eye flicks using protective goggles..!!!
Well said sir!!! I don't think anyone could have explained it better! (I've done both Traditional and Self-defense Arts)
Great point and you changed my mind. Thank you.
I agree that a strong limit to some martial art techniques is that you cannot apply them completely because you need your partner to stay safe. This is especially true for weapons training, and also in modern firearms where people learn to shoot targets in a variety of ways.
This limit is one of the reason why forms were developed, to train with full intensity without injury.
Anyway, any training method would simply be an approximation of reality. Take the groin kick: you may practice the kick with protection (in that case the recipient might not feel anything and would not react naturally) , you could avoid to kick the groin at all or you could simulate the target with bags or simply stop the technique before reaching the target. None of these is the real thing, but the only true alternative would be kicking random guys in the groin on the Street, not a practical one at all.
I'm so glad I started following you after taking your tai chi class at Weber a few years ago, because this is a question I'm struggling with right now!
After some events that caused me to strongly desire some fighting knowledge, my brother (2nd degree bb in tai kwan do and shotokan) recommended I study krav maga to learn how to protect myself and not get attacked again. Which I wanna learn, to protect myself and others (don't worry, no superhero mentalities with spandex and capes)....But I don't know if I even have that fierce warrior drive to physically hurt someone, even when they're attacking me........do you have additional recommendation for dealing with that, or which discipline to study with that in mind?
Hey Christine! I remember you and I'm glad you're following my channel. Yes i would recommend three styles more than any for you: Jiu Jitsu, Boxing, and Krav Maga. A combination of the three would be ideal, but if you only have time/money to learn one, any of those three would do nicely. Are you still in Ogden? There are three main gyms i would recommend in Ogden: West Side Jiu Jitsu, Foley's MMA, and World Martial Arts and Fitness Academy. Good luck!
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy 😁 you have lots of students, but I'll still take the compliment that you remember my silly self.
I'm not in Ogden anymore, but down in Murray. IDEALLY, I'd love to cut my teeth on all three, but time will push me to one for now, to start. If you have any recommendations farther south, would love to take a look!! I'm REALLY anxious/ excited to seriously start a discipline 🤩 (noob question) do dojos and gyms sometimes offer combination training?
@@christinewarren8338 i don't know many gyms in the Murray area. But yes, many gyms will include several disciplines in their membership.
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy perfect. Thank you for the advice!! I'll definitely continue to follow your channel, these videos are great!
it all helps.
wisest comment on here!
Your discussion of this has been more balanced and fair than some I've heard.
I watched your Krav Maga video. It looked like you were mostly in the level 1 classes. If you had been able to observe some level 4 or above instruction and drilling you would have a better understanding of where they were headed. I think level 9 is the equivalent of a "black belt", but I'm not sure. I have only been though 8 months of the introductory level myself so I am definitely not some kind of expert or badass.
Something people should keep in mind (in general, different schools teach and emphasize different things) is that Krav Maga was originally adopted as a 14 day crash course in self defense to take people going into the IDF or other military/leo roles from zero to some kind of competency in basic fighting skills. I think it does this as good or better than such a 14 day course than many other martial arts would achieve.
As you mentioned, it does a good job of instilling tenacity and confidence.
Hello there, do you have any material with the original curriculum from this 14 day crash course? I wanna take a look at it.
AlexEinherjar they still do it in the Israeli military when you first sign up to give you the aggressive and initiative mentality that is in Krav Maga
Seems like a pretty accurate breakdown. Live sparring or pressure testing helps to prepare. Knowing some dirty tricks isnt bad either.
Im doing boxing but i dont feel it will cut it if i ever met someone with a good kick or something, and im thinking about doing Krav Maga as well, will the training go hand in hand or will the fighting styles combat one another?
KM and boxing sounds like an excellent combination!
Chris Kennedy What about taekwondo, Muay thai and krav maga combination?
Oskar Louis Bøggild At my gym boxing and kickboxing are a big part of Krav Maga’s curriculum. Know this, Krav Maga is a mixture of martial arts from the world put into a survival based system. It is based on the idea to end a fight as quickly as possible or to allow one to run or get a gun. Unlike , mma it doesn’t teach one to go toe to toe. With that said, I’ve learned that some techniques can’t be used on an I damaged opponent and must be broken down or maybe you’ll find yourself in the position due to the chaotic nature of fighting . Anyway, it teaches other aspects like situational awareness which will help you to be in a better position if you do get jumped or to avoid it all together. I train Krav Maga and I am supplementing it with Muay Thai, BJJ and Judo. I also, read a lot of manuals from other styles as well . Short answer learning something new is never a waste of time . There is always something to learn whether it is physically, mentally, or spiritually.
Better to be well trained in one technique than ok in several.
you will never meet anyone with a good kick who assaults you,attackers are mostly untrained but often bigger and very violent.Boxing is great for self defense but wrestling or judo or bjj would be best compliment,you dont need any additional striking art.
Learn both. You'll react accordingly depending on the situation.
We spar all the time in the Krav classes I go to. It’s usually, we train a set of movements for most of the class with a partner and then at the end of class you spar with that set and there are clear winners and losers. Like in jiu jitsu, we more often spar the stuff that you don’t need gloves for because it’s a lot quicker and safer to get in to. We still do full sparring sessions with gloves where anything goes though. We also spar with weapons but weapons suck because you will always be at a severe disadvantage no matter how skilled you are but of course that’s just a reason to train weapons even more. If you have a rudimentary foundation of grappling and striking then you can beat the average trouble maker off the street but only weapons training will prepare you for dealing with an armed attacker. It make me you sound cool to shit on the guys who train worst case scenarios but those guys already have enough striking and grappling to handle best case scenario so it only makes sense to train more and more difficult situations. If your training consists of everybody following a set of rules then you’re not very well prepared for the real world. Nobody says any nonsense like “we’re going to teach you how to take on a gang of armed thugs with nothing but your bare hands” because that would be ridiculous and the most deadly humans on the planet would avoid that situation at all costs haha. What they do say is “hey, being unarmed and facing an armed attacker sucks and you need to avoid that all costs. If you can’t avoid it though, you should at least do your best prepare yourself for that situation.” To be fair though, I don’t think my gym even officially uses the word Krav because they’ve altered and expanded upon traditional Krav so much that they’re only as similar as most “self defense” courses.
I did full contact krav maga for a four years where we did all exercises with full force. Also we had a team where people who wanted to spare with each other could participate in MMA like fights. Can't count how many times I've been knocked or choked out but fighting against different fighters is the way to go. That was really, really good. I moved away and tried out krav maga in a new club and that was absolutely useless.. exercises had to be done slow and without force and full contact wasn't allowed.. So I guess there's a lot of different approaches.
Strike hard, strike first no mercy. Sensei John Kreese (Karate Kid). All jokes aside that’s great advise and in a situation on the streets with any kind of combat background it will give you a good chance.
The world is full of tough dudes that have never trained a day in there life. Normally because they are strong, aggressive and they’re brutal. Don’t think you’re going to be able to pepper an 18st dude who is aggressive as hell with jabs and low kicks in a bar fight when he is windmilling you with all he has. Unless you’re Danny Larusso that is.
Life aint a movie
@@symcarnage5703 Actually art imitates life.
You can practice eye gouges and nut strikes you just simulate it repeatedly, and use groin guards etc
the good reason to do this is to train the muscle memory
Actually we do kick to the groin during sparring. Of course we wear groin protection. And we spar with shoes on (you don't walk bare feet on the streets!)
you cannot practice it by simulation because the opponent wont react to it realistically
Excellent answer, I totally agree.
I want to know what could be the best martial art for me to start, well for 1 having ailment( chronic disease) , and extreme anxiety. I want to try karate, and what I’ve gathered from 4 nights of constant video watching and practicing on my own, I like it. I’d wonder if I can try all, one class each in martial art.
Yeah i would recommend trying every martial arts gym in your town, and just see which one you like the most! I would recommend you look for the best instructor to train with, rather than the best style. Good luck and let me know how it goes!
Question please my friend: who wins in a fight between the best heavyweight boxer in the world vs the best martial arts fighter in the world?
Sonny the Snowball best martial arts easy as the best boxer can only punch and there are many ways to counter a punch with just boxing it’s self but add in kicks knees elbows there are many ways to counter a punch and prepare for the next one
I think you are on the right pathway. Traditional Martial Arts are based on arts that are out of date. You do need to have a Love/Hate between Self Defense & Sport Fighting. The thing you are missing are the different levels there are. Yes, there are Traditional MA which today have evolved into belt system oriented, historical art and sport fighting which in essence is play fighting for fans. Both of these styles are missing a key element.... Life or Death. MMA is great, Boxing is great, Muay Thai is great, but you are focusing on the competitors being one on one, within 10 lbs of each other, and playing by the rules. Traditional arts are focused on Kata, belts, one point knockouts etc. Tactical Combat is not focused on engagement, its purpose is to finish someone without making noise, without gaining attention and likely depends on yours and your teams lives being at stake. Martial Science is the focus of real self defense. If BJJ or MMA is popular or Krav Maga is now gaining fame, a true self defense practitioner needs to be involved in all of those, along with weapons training, multiple attacker and weapon awareness and proficiency training. Most of what you see people training for is sport self defense which by American Law is know as mutual combat or a Street fight. Street Fighting is not self defense. You win a street fight. YOU SURVIVE a self defense. Sport Fighting and Martial Arts are the tools, weapons are tools, multiple attackers, getting punched while you sleep in bed, a van pulling up and yanking your child away from you into human trafficking are self defense. I love the martial arts. You need both and all variations to be truly effective... but self defense is a militant mindset you must train equal to sport fighting conditioning and training and the weapons or eye gouging techniques you learn are all useless when you don't understand that most self defense situations that are real (not internet self defense), happen instantly, violently, and with real consequence. Self Defense is Life or Death. Without understanding this you are set for trouble. Visit some 3rd world, very poor areas dressed nice acting entitled and then prepare to test yourself for real self defense.
BTW, I am not trying to be an asshole. I really like your comments and think you are on the right path. You can still push an eyeball in, in controlled training or learn injurious pressure strikes in control the same way you may learn a joint lock without destroying a persons joint each time. I like your channel and have subscribed. I hope we can open a dialog and maybe do a video blog or discussion together.
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Respectfully,
Grand Master Greg Fraser
Jing Shen Kuoshu: Martial Science & Functional Fitness
Could I ask that you read my reply to Reply to Timothy Maggard below and tell me what you think.
This makes a lot of sense thx 🙏
Very true.. In the street, the attacker will never attack in the best situation FOR YOUR STYLE... So the best to do is know as much about all style as you can.. Its like seeing as much of the world to learn as much culture & knowledge...
There’s a famous video on the net of a Turkish boxer taking out half a dozen guys. So it’s not always ‘nil’
Good point and Ive seen that video. Ive found its mainly grapplers who say no martial art prepares you for multiple opponents. This is when you hilight the dangers of grappling in a real situation. I always link in that video to show you do have a chance and its striking/boxing.
@@mikeypc3592 Grappling should be used as a last resort.
Yes dude. I know that video. Name of him Nuh Demircan. Now he is bodyguard of very famous business woman in Turkiye.
Thats a strawman, Mr. Hippo :) top of the line amateur boxer against several untrained, UNARMED men stumbling over one another. Brock Lesnar would dominate them too, that doesnt mean wrestling is answer for fighting multiple people.
You bring friends and weapons against multiple people, not some "superior" martial art.
@@mikeypc3592 cute.. Try your striking in street fight with a DIV 1 wrestler or Judoka and photograph for posterity the moment you land teeth first into the concrete.
I agree with Chris. I have started Krav Maga. There are so many variables in all these situations. Best to avoid, if in the US a gun wins every time. Then the situations where you don't have a choice and this is the main point i think to any style you are using. Also if you read the million books out there by x bouncers they will tell you some people can be big, strong and know how to punch and kick but on the moment how you have to react. Many don't when push comes to shove. I personally don't think 1 is overall better. a crap MMA versus a decent boxer versus a highly experienced Jiu Jitsu can be the difference also. My belief for good self defence is keep it simple, distance, react and extract if given the choice.
Love the video thank you I was hesitati'g between Krav Maga and BJJ but I think Im gonna go with BJJ at a Gracie Bara Academy in my Town
Gracie Bara is an excellent choice 👍
I believe some have already mentioned this but Krav Maga is basically mma plus weapons techniques and defenses against common holds (two handed chokes, head locks, bear hugs, etc.). The founder of Krav Maga was a boxer and wrestler. Most of the striking in Krav Maga comes from boxing, Muay Thai, and Karate. Most of the grappling comes from wrestling and bjj. If you practice mma with the intention of learning self defense, then you should supplement it with a weapons based art (kali, mcmap, etc.) and some techniques for common holds (Gracie combatives).
but MMA without the national and top level fighters damaging you in non compliant ways.
I would say it depends a lot on the instructor/place where you train. And how much you train. Both are good, each trains some different aspects. The way I see it Krav Maga is more about actual self defence, the mentality you need, whereas MMA is about being a capable fighter. Krav Maga prepares you for a rather asymmetrical situations, the oponent has a weapon ,or there are multiple opponents. Not that it is that likely you can win those scenarios, but you are bit more aware of them and you are more ready to keep the right situational awareness. The MMA is more about fighting 1v1 with rules and that imho translates worse into real world scenario than Krav Maga (even though you might be a more competent fighter).
Self-defense should be a basic skill just like math, reading and writing.
Jiu Jitsu is promoted as the ultimate self-defense system, but this is what Jiu Jitsu looks like against a striker and kicker (and if there are two guys against you, you're instantly doomed! The other guy will just kick you in the head while you're trying to cuddle his friend):
How Kazushi Sakuraba Destroyed the Gracie Clan
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I've learned that the US Military and Secret Service, and even Israel, the home of Krav Maga, are learning Systema (which is a combat system tested and proven by the Russian Special Forces for survival during war times, unlike Jiu Jitsu, MMA and other sport martial arts, which are not only exclusively for one-on-one, but also don't train against weapons).
I wish Systema were taught in schools (starting from kindergarten) instead of useless P.E. If everyone were skilled in self-defense, there would be less assaults, kidnappings and rapes because evil-minded people would hesitate to attack anyone, knowing they'll be in for a real fight, battling for their own lives.
Here's a link about Systema:
marylandsystema.com/systema-russian-martial-arts-is-one-of-the-secret-services-strongest-weapons/
I have a question. I'm about 6.3" and a little less 200 pounds. I have been swimming for over 20 years at high level and this year I stopped. I would like to start a martial art or a fighting sport in general. What do you recommend?
Do a Google search for any Jiu Jitsu, Judo, Muay Thai, or boxing gyms in your area! Those are the four styles that I most highly recommend.
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy ok thanks. I'm not sure between box and jiu-jitsu now ahah
@@Meth2o Try them both!
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy yessss 😍 best option actually. Ahah thanks 💪
@@Meth2o Good luck! After you've been training for a couple of months let me know how its going 🤙
Krav maga in it's truest fashion is a good solid mixture of boxing, muay thai, judo, jiu-jitsu, wing chun and modern military hand to hand training in knife, pistol and rifle disarming techniques. Making krav maga more of a mixed martial art and combative than mma. I practice at a krav maga school and it's pretty legit as far as my opinion goes. It's not intended to turn people into Steven Seagal or Jean-Claude Van Damme but it will prepare people how to fend off an attack better than most fighting systems. With that said, self defense is a mindset; not a fighting style. The best defense against a dangerous situation is situational awareness. Become a master at that and your chance of ever having to use any physical defense will be reduced to almost 0℅.
WOW !!! great answer
Master of none, beginner in all...
nope, there isnt krav maga sport but there are a couple of Krav Maga fighters in MMA already.
Joe.....Nailed it. I've a background in American Kickboxing, Kung Fu, GoJu, Japanese Jujitsu, Judo and Aikido. I served 6 years with the military and then moved into policing. Now that I'm retired, I wish I had learned Krav Maga earlier. I practice it now with an IDF trained instructor from Greece. Our key training is ALWAYS situational awareness and look for the way out. Because at the end of the day, where do you prefer to be? At home in bed or on the street, dead? Now, that being said, I'm not knocking sport fighting. If you have those tools, they are very good assets. But they are boundaries and rules that are to heed. Does this make the practitioner's any different? Not in the slight. But how much environmental and situational awareness experience do they have? Depends. If they never really have been in a life and death situation, it's advisable not to let your skills get to your head. If someone's familiar with street life, they may be more alert to their surroundings. Krav Maga is more of technical and applied warfare tactics. (And not these unsanctioned UA-cam vids. I'm talking about actual IDF Krav Maga) It's tactics based on survival and actually neutralizing your enemy(ies). Not going to the ground and pounding him or hoping for a tap out. Because he may have some pals hanging around or might have stuff that cuts or fires ammo.
krav maga claim a lot of things but evidence none...MMA is pure evidence
Hi Chris, what would be classified as 'contemporary martial arts?', does boxing count?
A contemporary martial art is essentially a martial art that progresses with time, as opposed to a traditional martial art, which continues a tradition and allows for less change. Boxing changes every generation, and if you compare boxing to itself every fifty years or so, it always changes drastically, so yes, it would be considered a contemporary martial art.
As someone who practices Krav Maga, he does have a point.
Its not that Krav Maga "doesn't work", but some moves are so aggressive and damaging that you can't really go all the way with your moves anyway, which essentially makes you unprepared for a real fight.
Also, this of course depends on the school and coach, but pressure testing against resisting opponents is more of a rarity than the norm in Krav Maga, which is definitely something you need in order to fight a real fight.
Krav Maga works, as long as you are adaptable, have initiative and actually do pressure sparring against resisting opponents when practising.
I made a video on this very topic bud, and I do agree it is heavily disputed and is a contested issue! Very interesting though. And the topic usually inspires a lot of emotion from those involved within the debate.
What’s a better self-defense system:
mayero kun do OR ju jitsu?
Mayero everything of course
I’ve seen dudes who are trained as well as dudes who are untrained beat up multiple people AND I’ve seen dudes with knives get disarmed too.. streets of London are a funny place 😂
Training goes a long way
From the modest exposure I've had to krav, a good school regularly pressure tests (at appropriate levels) and has special classes in striking, grappling, multiple opponents, etc., based on the principle of "what works". Also, many krav students aren't athletes, but average types seeking a self defense edge against a punk or bully, not a highly trained/fit combatant. I believe krav can train to beat those higher level opponents, but, like anything, it takes a lot of training and conditioning.
a refreshing honesty...
is it good to combine/learn MMA and Krav Maga?
Absolutely yes 👍
There is an assumption that Self Defense does not train all out fighting like MMA too. Krav Maga should have fighting against resisting opponents, even multiple attacker. Self Defense getting home when at a severe disadvantage & many times it avoidance, deescalation and methods to disengage. Running to safety is also sound self defense. When Krav Maga is taught properly, it consists of real fight training like MMA, and practical self defense methods to survive random acts of violence. You certainly were training at a Krav location that was missing key elements of the system.
Souljerz where in the country do you recommend
@@TheMrAssassinchillz any where connected to the krav maga federation thats based in nyc
The way I understand it (and it may be different for different organisations) Krav Maga has sparring against resisting opponent rather late in the curriculum at a higher levels. Proper sparring against multiple opponents happens only at the very end of the training. I think it is the last lesson for the Israel Military, they get a minute or several minutes, where they go against multiple opponents, it is not about winning, but about keeping going and not giving up.
the advantage of combat-sports (full contact, like MMA, MT, KB etc.) is having the pressure of the fight using + receiving full power, but sanctioned under a rule-set, weightclass, preparation, knowing you opponent (one - not multiple), no weapons, a. s. o. The advantage of self-defense-styles (like KM, WT/WC, MSD, etc. is preparing for a fight without rules weight-class, unknown number of opponents, possible weapons a. s. o. - but it´s difficult to train using full force (unless you use full protection, like blackman-suits) . A "real" street-attack (different to a street-fight between 2 guys who wanna beat up each other) never looks similar to a sports-combat, so if you want to prepare for a fight between hooligans of for K. O. T. S. a. s. o. train MMA, for self-defense-purposes train KM & Co., but incl. sparring (vs. 1 + multiple opponents) as realistic as possible for the health of your sparring-partners).... The best street-fighter is the one having experience inside ring/cage + as security, bodygurad, soldier, hooligan, etc. Youfight the way you train, so if you train for a sanctioned bout, you´ll fight incl. the rules - if you train for self-defense and never have been attacked under pressure + you´re not used to receive + use full power, your training won´t prepare you properly.. Most important in SD is learning how to deescalate a fight and/or getting prepared mentally for dangerous situations. Some great sprt-fighters have been destroyed on the street/in a bar, just because they didn´t relaize that the fight started anyway.
Very true. Excellent
The one thing that you can count on in any confrontation is, " Expect the Unexpected " &
Never ever underestimate your opponent. Finally, No matter what type of self Defense you practice? Discipline, Hard Training & Sparring is essential!
This "First Contact " stop reset crap is just that? "CRAP !"
"Combinations win Fights!"
1 of the First things taught in Boxing.
Dan M. 🐾
My fellow Pugliosts know all too well Exactly what I'm saying.
Well stated!
obvious answer is to do both ,resistence and combat s
I mean seriously how are so many people not understanding this?
I agree! The idea is BJJ + a striking art. You use the striking art according to your body type and scenarios!
As these two sides of the coin are debating these ego fed arguments that one is better than the other...the wise are training in both. I teach Samurai Jujutsu and our Modern Jujutsu is a combination of jujutsu, muaytai, sambo and USMC h2h. Kata for learning techniques, drills and sparing for learning how to apply them in real situations, and we occasionally surprise students with multiple attacks and trainer knives into sparing and flow grappling secessions
Which would you say is better for stand up hand to hand combat Krav Maga or mcmap
On average, mcmap. However, it really depends on your teacher. There are some phenomenal krav maga teachers out there that could train you just as well or better than a mcmap instructor.
Chris Kennedy oh wow I’ve heard a lot of people bash on mcmap saying it’s no good compared to bjj and judo because of the belt system promotes really fast unlike other martial arts and it’s bits of a lot of martial arts like Muay Thai etc all in a 3 year training but I didn’t know it has an edge over Krav Maga though
How about Krav Maga or Muay Thai or mcmap and Muay Thai and all compared to wing chun
Tai Chi Chuan is very fight based if you train with the right teacher
Hard to as they're mostly in China and there's a lot of bullshit artists there.
My belief is there is no end all be all. If you have Krav Maga under your belt along with MMA, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Tai ETC, you have an arsenal to choose from to defend yourself. I believe that if the discipline has attributes of self defense then it will work. Just like anything you must train to make it effective.
I have been training in krav maga for a couple of years and we on a weekly basis train against multiple attackers, we fight daily in class and we use knives and guns also so your opinon of krav is just that , an opinion. like one of the other comments , attend a higher level of krav and just feel how intense it really is
or go to a less shitty kM gym...sounds like someone forced him to go and he didn't really want to be there....
FAKE KNIFES AND GUNS**
Same thing as the eye poking and groin kick, how many knife wounds and bullet holes do you have on your body?
Don’t take it wrong, I do use plastic knife and air-soft gun in training and sparring too, it’s fun and gives us limited experience on how to get away from those things, but be frankly, 90% of the techniques that KM class thought on knife/gun defense are nothing close to realistic, for example, how many Krav Maga class teaches you to treat your wounds? Even the most basic: put pressure on your wounds to slow down the bleeding?
@@tangmingchen9237 Marines don't shoot each other in training. There has to be simulation. We all know it when we are doing it but it is the best we can practice without harm. Gun or knife techniques, in my opinion, are a last option and you are just giving yourself a better odds of survival.
Let me say that my training was eclectic in nature for self defense and restraining. I am sure you better trained guys could take me to school in a few seconds. However from personal experience what I know does help in a street confrontation with guy with little or no martial arts training.
@@tangmingchen9237 How often do you see MMA sparring with real knives and guns? Some things you never do for real, because it is just stupid.
NetAndyCz have I ever mentioned MMA?
I don’t entirely agree with the last point. While yes there are specific moves you can’t spar with full force (such as eye gouging and groin kicks) you can definitely train aspects such as the kickboxing and bjj with full force. You can pretty much spar (partially) every technique with full force as long as you don’t (for example) provide full force in a groin kick or not wear a mask in an eye gouge.
It's like saying gracie self defense/combatives vs MMA.... the training protocol will dictate technique effectiveness. MMA is more specialized PLUS foundational skill set with physical conditioning. MMA should be the foundation you build off of. Specialize in a favorite art be it grappling or striking and it could be anything. Only after that you can enter the realm of Krav maga or any other defense tactics/ reality based programs etc. The names will vary from combatives or cqc street etc. The reality is basic boxing/kickboxing + wrestling /jiujitsu is the way to go. Bruce Lee really did his best to get to this point in his trainers well as his cinematic approach
Both great, but it depends on whether you can pull it off. And to be able to pull it off.... You need real combat experience.
So that's why the answer is both. If you are a good MMA fighter who spars with Pros, and then you take up Krav maga, you are a deadly force to face.
But everything depends on how skilled you are, if you are more skilled you will win.
In the street, people will attack you wearing helmets and with hockey sticks.
I believe the contemporary martial arts are better do to actually practicing with another resisting person, sometimes larger. But keep this in mind to, I have seen a Jiu jitsu guy high mount a person in a street fight. Prone out on the guy an get bit in the stomach, causing him to go into convulsions, the guy would not let go. Top guy convaulsed so hard he was smacking his head on the ground. Just some food for thought in your practice.
fair point
In my opinion there is some significant differences. In MMA you have rounds, know there is going to be a fight and there is only one opponent. Also the fighters are matched.
Good Points!!!
I like how he says the grappler, the boxer etc. can bite and kick to the groin too. LOL
MMA is excellent preparation for fighting. Remove the rules, the mindset of following them, & you're very close to a street fight. How I was taught KM, was there's fighting (strikes, defense, grappling, etc), then there's KM. If in a confrontation, you use fighting skills. KM is for situations you can't "punch & kick" your way out of. Fighting is fighting (punch, kick, elbow, knee, boxing, mt, bjj, wrestling, etc). Techniques for escaping chokes, grabs, headlocks, etc..., is where KM comes in. Along with a ferocious attitude. Make no mistake though, KM expert is probably a very good fighter.
I want to combine self defense and sport somehow. I say self defense is more useful once you have experience in sport but some people don't want sport. I don't think a resisting opponent is necessary once you have the experience but the experience changes your game forever.
i agree with you! if a mma practitioner learns krav maga hell be more prepared for the street than only km or mma. Incase of unarmed combat, its always mma but for unarmed vs armed or one vs many, its krav maga. Learn mma first, then go for krav maga(i am a former mma practitioner and presently into km).
Why MMA first?
@@mxu111 to develop powerful strikes and fight resisting opponents. Be able to take a punch or kick, get used to black eyes, bruises, bloody nose and lips, muscle pains, etc.
@@greywarrior60 we do that in krav
@@mxu111 no you do not at elite level of fighting, you do soft to hard sparring, and when it gets to hard you wear a full body armour like children in TKD :-)
@@THEREALZENFORCE I don't know what "elite" is in the context of self-defense. There's no Olympics in Krav Maga.
Need a balance of both Self-defense knowledge and Competition based Martial art. the self-defense will save your ass and the competition will keep you in shape. Run away if its a group or they have a weapon only engage if its your last resort and you cant run away. I Practice World Kempo Karate I think its a well balanced art. I also do a little bit of Kickboxing for an extra bit of practice and conditioning.
I agree with him. The sport wrestling, Judo, Catch Wrestling, boxing, Muay Thai are better than the art because with the sport you practice with a resistant opponent.
I actually do both anyway.
well said ,just got saying the same thing yesterday that bot have great points and bad points ,so well said sir :)
You need both kinds of training!!! At Kudo Ryu Bujutsu we STUDY and PRACTICE EVERYTHING!!! Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, Judo, Wrestling, Boxing, Muay Thai, Mixed Martial Arts, Krav Maga, Sambo, Ninjutsu, Military Knife Fighting Systems and ANYTHING ELSE we can GET OUR HANDS ON!!! We remain OPEN MINDED to ALL ARTS and ALL TRAINING METHODS...but SPORT (RESISTANCE TRAINING) and SELF-DEFENSE / TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS are STUDIED and PRACTICED with RESISTANCE WHENEVER and WHERE-EVER POSSIBLE!!!
I have many many year's of being a doorman under my belt. I also served time in the Force's and did other security in various country's. So I have lots of experience in street fights. I wouldn't like to have to count the number of fights I have had in clubs and on the street. I haven't had any in ring fights, but I have had many hours of sparring. In my opinion no matter what you train NOTHING prepares you for a real street fight. The speed and viciousness of it will shock most people. I have seen guy's with years of martial arts training behind them, being destroyed by guy's half their size. And with no training whatsoever. In sport you start the fight at each side of the ring/cage. And the ref asking are you ready. In real life you usually don't see it coming. Very often you have been hit several times before you realise that you are in a fight. And yes I know we all should learn to read a situation, and control the distance. So this doesn't happen. And I can do that every single time, IN THE GYM! But I have never had a real street fight in any gym. The first 5 seconds of a fight in the street is the important part. After that you have either found you bearings, or you have been destroyed. There is no bell in the street, and no ref to spot you tapping out.
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
So true
As far as I know KM is the training military does, somehow that is really a big deal, I mean they sure can defend themselves
I saw one MMA instructor that said if you are learning multiple disciplines at the same time it’s not MMA. It’s only effective MMA if you become proficient in one fighting style and you become proficient in another in order to round yourself out more but if you’re just training in everything then your okay at a lot but not actually good at anything and that’s not effective MMA. So MMA can’t really be better than Krav Maga because MMA could need Krav Maga. It’s like asking if macaroni and cheese is better than cheese. It’s a weird question to ask.
Awareness is in my opinion huge in any sort of altercation, example..guy at a bar gets into a bit of an arguement with random guy!!..few words passed guy turns to put his drink on the counter.gets sucker punched and glassed..zero training will help you there..situation awareness. Is key, also..unless you're in a life or death situation..which 99.9% of us will never be..if you gouge out someones fuckin eyeballs you're going to jail
My opinion from my perspective as a civilian cop, an MP attached to spec ops groups, and a bouncer, I've discovered that none are absolute. They all have their strong points and weaknesses.
original KV is a combat art.
BJJ has a street aspect, but not taught much, mainly only sport BJJ is taught.
Then there is JUDO, and it has it's place.
There is a form of aikido referred to as black aikido, it's a shunned version.
Muay Thai and taekwondo and sambo has it's particular skillsets.
I've not done any tournaments in 20 years, but what I do have experience in is actual down and out, gritty as can be, kill or be killed, almost daily experiences, most of which were highly trained in hand ti hand combatives. Many of which were trained killers.
What I found out is, that I am grateful for having such a wide training background, because if I hadn't, id of been a dead man long ago.
None of them are the "end all, be all", not by a long shot.
(Every one of them have quite a few very exploitable weaknesses.)
If I'm going up against someone using BJJ, i switch up my tactics to what I know BJJ is weak at.
If it's an art that master's kicking, I stay the hell out of their kicks, because just one landed kick can end you.
If it's a boxer, I stay away from their punches, again, they are master's at that.
BJJ, judo, etc... I'm going to avoid their grapples at all costs.
Even in competitions, (full contact) it almost always starts out well skilled, but almost always ends in an all out slugfest, whoever gets too tired, drops their guard the most, and whoever exploits that error.
But there is another aspect in actual combat.
Those that live are the ones who don't QUIT, who tap into their most primal instincts, fear of death.
Where the obvious weaker man somehow transforms in the face of death, and in that moment, no how battered and beaten, they dig deep, and become more than human.
And sometimes, either fate or luck comes calling regardless of a persons skill.
And that's why I practice the only winning art there is, the art of not even being there when shit goes down!
I happen to know for fact that you, Steven Seagal and Frank Dux are for real. I too had a very interesting career in the military and CIA. It all started when I was 16 years old. Due to my martial arts prowess, I was recruited by the U.S. Navy and flew M1 Abrams tanks off carriers for them. I served in the same squadron with Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Flash Gordon (he was best man at my wedding to Miss Saigon). I even went to Top Gun School with Tom and Val and won the Trophy. My Tank racked up more kills than all the other tanks in my Squadron, combined. Later on, my Squadron CO accused me of being TOO aggressive. So I had to knock him out with a spinning Flying Squirrel kick to the balls. Needless to say, I spent some time in the brig where the guards made us prisoners fight in Kumite style Death Matches which they took bets on. The guards would host the matches and secretly bring in VIPs from high levels of govt and industry. Some of the people who watched me fight were the President of the United States, the VP, Secretary of Defense, Senators, Congressmen, Pat Sajack from Wheel of Fortune, and the manager of the Waffle House. After executing several hundred prisoners, it was determined that I was too deadly to be kept in the brig so I was transferred over to the U.S. Coast Guard where I flew B-2 Stealth Bombers because they were short pilots and bombardiers. I never needed a bombardier on my crew because I can use my Chi to guide bombs to the target with pinpoint accuracy. After single handedly destroying an entire enemy special forces army, I was recruited by the CIA. I can't talk much about what I did for the CIA, but let's just say I have more confirmed kills than ALL OTHER CIA Agents, Army SEALs, Navy Delta Forces, Air Force Recon, and Marine Corps Para Rescue... COMBINED. Due to my amazing prowess in the field, the Director of the CIA personally selected me to become the youngest ever, and one of only 12 Pokemon trainers in the entire CIA. You gotta a catch 'em all.... that's what I did. Due to the extremely high classification of the project and need for absolute secrecy, our Base of Operations was Skull Island. Consequently, my final classified mission was coordinating with British MI6, the Royal Family,..... Because there have been multiple attempts on my life by Russian Spetznatz, Yakuza Ninja, and Sub-Saharan Oompa-Loompa commandos; they've also provided me with a substantial guard detail while I write my memoirs. My publisher is already in negotiations with Disney and it looks like we're well on our way to my life story becoming part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe....whatever the hell that is.... Bottom line is, there are a lot of people out there who pretend to be something they're not. Everything in my life story is 100% factual. I know because I lived it. People like you, Frank Dux, Steven Segal, John Rambo, the Power Rangers (briefly served with them too), the Teletubbies, Derek Zoolander...these are all great Patriotic Americans but at the end of the day when you compare yours and their on or off-screen achievements to mine.... I simply make them all look like sopping wet, velvet-lined pussies.... Not bragging... Just stating facts....
2:59 I am no boxing fan but you will probably need to be an elite kickboxer/boxer and a D1 wrester and then 7 people would be easy. Let me put it to you this way, do you think Jon jones or Yoel would struggle with 7 guys with no fighting experience?
Can u compete in boxing and learn krav maga on the side?
Absolutely. Lots of people study two martial arts simultaneously. I highly recommend studying at least two styles; it gives you different perspectives of how to deal with combat.
@@HomelessNinjaKennedy thank u
Krav vs mma for self defense my take . I actually took Krav for like 6 months I know not long but the only thing Krav has over mma is that is shows u how to use those arts in mma (striking:grappling ) in real life situations . It also shows u how to disarm weapons such as guns and bats metal bars you know things you see in real life situations , it also shows u how to deal with multiple opponents. So it shows real life situations. But in all honesty is this necessary? mma u have better trainers in boxing, kickboxing, muey Thai ,wrestling bjj ect . Mma also shows u how to use those arts in a real fight 1 on 1 . Mma training is Also much more intense so you get into better shape and u train with better quality sparring partners imo. Krav shows u how to use mma in real life situations as I’ve stated however do u really need to be told that your mindset must change on the streets ? Do u need to be told if there is multiple opponents u should use your wrestling and bjj to GET UP and RUN? do u need someone to tell u that if u use a double leg on the streets u shouldn’t slam your knee on the street when shooting in ? do u need to tell an mma trained fighter dealing with multiple opponents that u should stay on your feet and move quickly and strike just enough to RUN out of the situation? honestly imo no or at least I hope not lol . Does the mma fighter need to understand there are certain techniques that may not work on the streets ? Again hopefully not. Hopefully the mma fighter has common sense and knows how to adapt his mma into a street situations. So Krav isn’t that necessary imo . I think a mma fighter would benefit from a few months of Krav here n there just in case a self defense situation came up they might be better prepared in an actual street In counter but then again a lot Krav teaches is basic common sense as stated above ... if I had to choose only one that being mma or Krav for self defense mma imo is better for reasons I stated above . But if u can train both then that’s even better . Krav is better then individual arts by themself tho (boxing,wrestling,bjj ect) Bc it combines them in one complete system . Just be shure of u decide to take Krav that your instructor is qualified. :). But again if I could choose the best overall completel system for self defense mma Is King .
The street has no rules, and whatever teaches you defense against all possibilities is the best.
So there's Actually an old schools UFC fight were it was krav maga vs a D1 wrestler eventually became I think like a 3x ADCC champion and a jiu jitsu black belt and the fight between them is almost laughable of the realistic ability of krav maga in a rule set that had little to no rules. The fight is Actually UFC 14 Moti horenstein vs mark kerr. Moti horenstein's record was 1-6 and was Actually a commander in the Israeli army. Sounds tough right? Got man handled 1st round after getting repeatedly slammed and ground and pounded by mark kerr. Also how is Cambodia?
The city I'm in, Phnom Penh, sucks lol. The rest of the country has been great though.
MMA for sure no doubt...
Pretty MMA guys know how to kick to the groin. Its just a high oblique kick. Every other UFC fight is temporarily stopped because of an accidental groin strike
Facts
I think if you’re athletic and masterfully good at any martial art it can be effective. It’s just that there aren’t enough people that are actually seriously good enough to prove it because everyone is to busy worrying about what does and doesn’t work. It’s not the martial art it’s how you use it. That’s the whole art part. They all work but only if you use them in a way that actually works. For example you can have the best kicking form but if you kick in a way that’s ineffective or you’re kicks are slow as hell then it’s pointless. It’s not that martial arts that use kicks don’t work. It’s just that you suck at using kicks or your kicks are weak and you have to train. If everyone had insane hand eye coordination then you would think boxing wouldn’t work because people would just catch every punch you throw. It doesn’t mean boxing doesn’t work. It just means you have to be less predictable and move faster. If you are exceptionally good at something you wouldn’t have to do it multiple times to prove yourself. Someone who’s an exceptionally good fighter in any style could technically wait for the right slip up and win a fight in one move whether is be a kick, throw, elbow, or punch. Even Ba Gua as flowy and non aggressive as it is if you manage to palm someone in the chest at the right moment then they will hit the ground hard as hell and if you’re quick you can even knock them out once they hit the ground. It’s about knowing what you should do when you should do it and applying the skill. People don’t get that when they think about what does and doesn’t work. If you have crap balance don’t do anything that takes your feet off the ground because it requires balance and you most likely won’t use it in a smart way. Also there is not martial art that counters everything else in the world. Anything is possible. For example Ba Gua is cautious so although it’s not very aggressive it’s about avoiding force. If that goes against a BJJ person the BJJ person might face the problem of someone who uses Ba Gua really doesn’t want to be touched and although there’s a lot of slow circular movements strikes happen very hard and very fast so it’s a high stakes situation for both. If the BJJ guy gets hold it’s pretty much over but if the Ba Gua master evades or counters his movement as you know in a fight all it can take is one hit. Keep that in mind. Worry about how you’re going to use it because it’s not just going to work for you. When people ask these questions it’s like they are playing a video game and they lose and say “this controller doesn’t work” but the ironic part is that YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER!!! (😂 I haven’t even watched the video yet)