Next one made out of metal, then a better lathe made with the metal CNC, then a CNC plasma cutter, then a CNC water jet, then a fully automated self-replicating fabrication shop
For some reason it makes more sense to me to watch you build this cnc from wood than it does to see the many +5000 USD sponsored builds that are on UA-cam. Great video. Super entertaining.
@@vasyapupken They didn't ignore it, they are actively sending him more things to try even though he was critical. Lot's of companies would have gotten butt hurt and blacklisted him.
Vevor has some good shit. And stand behind their stuff too, bought a pressure pot a while back and the gauge didn’t work, no questions just shipped a new one and some Teflon tape. Sure it’s a few bucks, but it took 2 messages and it showed up in 3 days.
Plotting is a surprisingly useful feature of CNC machines. Even if you don't want to cut with them plotting is handy. Mathias is using the best pen for it too. Cheap disposable ballpoints work the best. I tried using fancier pens and you just can beat ballpoints.
I had a group of friends in the US who were into XY tables and the most common thing for them to make with their first XY table was ... more accurate parts for their XY tables.
Similar to owning a computer, spend more time solving computer issues and finding solutions than actually benefit from having a computer, although much better than 1980 when there was still a need for DOS inputs.
Been waiting for this moment for a long time. I knew the tinkerer would eventually run out of other things to tinker with. I have a few CNC machines I've built over the years. I never CNC anything but the journey of building, learning, modifying, updating, and making some relatively small projects was worth the price of admission for me.
Mate, you should really look into CNC routers. It’s not the future: it’s the past you’ve completely missed. Meanwhile, everyone else has caught on, and loads of people are already using them. But yeah, you do you
vevor offered me to pick any product of theirs and they'd send it to me. If they had a milling machine, I would have taken that instead. Already got their lathe.
Hahaha, very nice to see a Wandel-Brand CNC milling machine! Some notes: The Spider couplings are actually not the right kind for this application, since the soft-ish rubber can compress. This might also cause chatter, when the tool puts forces on the screws and causes them to rotate. The motor may not, but the joint will allow some rotation. The right ones would be "flexible shaft couplings". They are one single piece with a lot of slits in them. They can work with misalignment in xyz and tilt, but allow no flex/rotation. The ball screws are kind of hardend, but not quite. These are "rolled", meaning the shape is put into them by compressing the material and literally rolling the "threads" on there. This compresses the material and makes it "denser". Which kind of makes them harder. But they are not actually hardened. Although hardened and ground ball screws do exist (much more pricey tho) ;) Looking forward to "CNC vs Bandsaw gear cutting V2" ! :D
Mmmm, I reckon he will adapt it into some kind of device to retrieve inventory, like small screws, washers, resistors etc. He would need to index his inventory in some way and it would only work on a very small scale but it would be a hilarious way to feature his 'CNC' in videos where he cuts something in 2 mins on the bandsaw and his CNC fetches the screws for him. Might save 20 seconds a day after the initial massive time investment and subsequent inventory updates.
The AI videos on this platform are really getting out of hand, and they think we're really dumb too - Matthias 'never CNC' Wandel built a CNC machine?? As if...
CNC really becomes worth it if you have lots of identical parts to make, need rapid production and don't mind a bit of waste - feed in sheet out comes x parts, complex 'high' precision geometry that is hard to do by hand (as you yourself encountered a basic form of building the machine), or when you don't have the space for all the regular tools to do a job the way you would with that nice workshop full of stuff Matthias! A gantry CNC is effectively a regular worktable with minor inconveniences added when its powered off, but able to do much the same job as the Bandsaw, Tablesaw, planer etc and usually needing much less space while doing the job too. Does come with downsides of course, but if you have a smaller workspace a gantry CNC router might just be the only tool you really need beyond the hand tools, saving you space in the workshop already, and with the gantry rather than bed slinger style the space you need around the tool to work on larger parts becomes much smaller - work a long sheet through the table saw you need MORE than the full length of the sheet clearance on either side of the blade ideally so you can push it all the way through, can get away with less if you don't mind flipping it over and cutting from both sides. But even then that is much more space around the tool required - if you are slinging the tool and not the bed around the only space constraint on the raw stock is it must fit between the gantry rails and in the workshop.
CNC really becomes worth it if you have a complicated part you need to make that needs to be accurate. Just one and it can be worth it. As opposed to how careful you'd have to be doing it any other way. The CNC can go max speed accurately. CNC just spits out accuracy. A thousandth tolerance all day long is incredible.
I also made a machine out of plywood at first. But then I remade it and made it out of metal. Because the wooden machine didn't provide the necessary precision. I'm happy with the iron machine.
For hobby CNC wood is plenty precise enough. Mathias' machine is a thousandth accurate. What are you doing diffusing semiconductor dies that you need nanometer precision?
@@1pcfred I probably explained it wrong. The poor accuracy was due to poor rigidity. When making mating parts, they must match exactly. Also, the accuracy depends on the hardness of the material and the processing speed. If the machine is not rigid enough, then the cutter bends by tenths of a millimeter. And this will be revealed during milling, not drawing with a pencil.
Thank you Matthias. I love that you have and do include the errors. I suspect you miss the big shops (yours and your dads) somedays. Then there are fewer things to take care of in the basement. All the best to you, Rachel and the kiddos.
CNC is good for mass producing the same set of holes. Also with a sharp pointed router bit you can make simple carvings. I carved the King of Jacks as a wall ornament back in school which I sadly did not take with me.
Lead on, brother! I had just received some rails and ball screws to build something like this. Seeing yours lets me know I'm not totally out of my mind. (Or I am, but I have company on this road.)
You'll come around Matthias. I remember when I built mine starting with a sliding glass door frame. Cabinet doors are fun. And once you start with 3D you'll start to see how powerful it can be.
If the thumbnail hadn’t shown a machine, I would have thought the title was an April fools joke released too early by accident 😂 Love seeing the practical basement engineering on a CNC now
I found the Z-axis rigidity and accuracy is the most important sub-system to making good parts. Evaluate the flex when "drilling". How much the router bit is offset from the Z-axis rail guides creates that moment wrench-arm to flex the supports and lash issues.
I'm hoping he gets in deeper with it. Just building the machine is only the beginning. If he thinks that's a time sink just wait until he gets to the software side of it. Dealing with the software is very involved. The CAD CAM aspect of it.
Don't discount how useful it is to have a set workflow from CAD through CAM to CNC. Once you have a workflow that works for you (home, endstops, jigs, favorite CAM ops, etc), it becomes almost effortless. You are making the adoption process difficult by DIYing everything -- CAM and gcode control software is amazing, don't continue to run everything with a Python script!), but that is 100% your style, don't change who you are, it is a pleasure to watch it unfold!
I have identical axis configuration in my diy cnc. Just a tip, you can make a nice dust shield for the table ballscrew and rails from an old roller blind.
CNC machines have 3 phases: The machine tinkering phase, the setup and learning curve, and the make lots of parts phase. Once you reach the "I can make these precise parts while I'm doing other stuff", the light will come on.
Watching you demo this reminded me of a Simpsons scene where Troy McClure and Dr. Nick are showing off a juicer on HSN and they have to yell “wow, is this thing even on?”.
I have built 3 cncs myself in my basement. One thing i can say is that cnc is not like any other machine in my workshop. Any woodworking tool would outperform a cnc for my time spent making the part, enev batch jobs are slower. However a cnc can do things that other machines dont have to chance at producing, like a 3D topo map, or decorative v carve inlays.
remember when ave said he wasn't too interested in becoming a CNC chanel? peperridge farm remembers....
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It is already too small and ou don't even know it ! 😂 There are a lot of tools like cnc. When you don't have one you do an other way but since you have it, you use it all the time. Thank you for the vidéo.
yes, I don't regret going to a moving table. The gantry assembly is half the mass of the machine, and I wouldn't want to move all that. Also, just a simpler and sturdier machine this way.
@@matthiaswandel Up to a point moving table is the superior design. At some point the inertia and size of the table gets pretty big though. All the bigger machines are moving gantry. Get a water cooled spindle off Vevor. You want one. They definitely have them. Heck you could use a few of them. Get one for your panta router too. So quiet.
@@matthiaswandelkayak designer and builder Nick Shade has a moving table CNC and uses it quite a bit. The perfect machine for cutting out strip built kayak forms (although I do suppose that getting stuck in the the bandsaw and 12” stationary disc sander would have them done to an acceptable accuracy in an afternoon). It has allowed him to do production runs of foam kayak seats and a neat jig that holds a mini shoulder plane to bevel the edge of the strips.
And now, that you have a working CNC you should use it to manufacture the plates from aluminum instead of plywood. And replace wooden gantry structure with steel one filled with concrete. You are on a good path, just carry on ... ;-)
CNC has a huge gee whiz factor to it. Just watching the machine run by itself is captivating. It is peak magical. I'll never forget the first time I ran my machine. I was like look at it go. I had it plot this random vector image of a cat I'd found. It did it perfectly. It looked so cool. I was all like, I couldn't do that. But of course I didn't know what I was doing so I inadvertently generated G code for 3 passes. So it plotted the cat 3 times. Which I really couldn't do. Because it traced over each line perfectly, of course. At that point I figured the machine was just showing off.
I guess you should start thinking about projects where you need >20 parts that are complicated but similar or same. At that point, you can devise a tool path that might take a bit longer to work through, and you have your time freed up to do other stuff in between jobs. Also, for engraving and v-carving CNC machines are really nice. And as you like to make your furniture look simple but beautiful (have never seen an exposed edge of plywood! with you, there is always a nice strip of hardwood at the edge!), decorating pieces with engravings might be something you'd like. Also - check out prismatic Inlays. Best way to super simply make CNC Inlays. There is a free software for that, its called F-Engrave.
Your firmware should give you control on speed as well as velocity/acceleration and this can help the noise and precision of the movements. It looks like you are running full speed all the time.
Acceleration is a machine controller thing. Right now he's not using a proper machine controller. That's the next step. Using a proper machine controller that accepts G-Code input. The three popular choices for hobby CNC machine controllers are, Mach, LinuxCNC and GRBL. I'd hope he tries and reviews all of them. Mach he might need more specialized hardware? Mach usually needs a translation board. I think LinuxCNC and GRBL both can run off a PI. I'm ready for Mathias' hot take on the software side of CNC.
@@1pcfred "You literally push a button and it is done." That's a definite exaggeration. First you have to design the part in CAD. Then, if your CAD does not output gcode you have to output the design to stl or other file format. Then convert the CAD output into gcode. On the other hand, if all your doing is downloading gcode that someone else produced, then yeah, all you need to do is upload the file and push a button and she's off and running.
It really depends on if using a CNC takes more time or not. If you know what you are doing and have your CNC setups optimized a bit and have designed your stuff in CAD already then writing a CNC programm for it is really a matter of 5 minutes at most. If you dont have any clever ways to clamp your work, get your work coordinate fast, have to manually probe every tool and have not much experience using CAM, then doing it by hand is faster, IF you are an experienced and skilled woodworker. If you put anyone unexperienced in front of a table saw, it is not only dangerous, but will take him a lot of time to do stuff you do in matter of a few minutes, same goes for a bandsaw or any other tool really.
At least, it took some time! Some of us told you to reconsider more than a decade ago! Components are the most expensive part of the build, and you can't go cheap on them. I know wood is your thing, but the best structure you can build should be made from stiff and heavy material, not wood. Molded concrete is the best compromise (in terms of price and adequacy), in my humble opinion. Feel free to think I'm wrong, though you'll figure it out yourself later. As an engineer, I have quite a bit of experience with CNC building. If you want some advice, feel free to ask.
He's not going to be milling steel. So wood is fine for the machine. If he does want to mill harder materials then yes wood is inadequate. But Mathias is a wood elf.
@@1pcfred First, you don’t know what the machine is intended for. My guess is experimentation, because it seems Matthias has not yet grasped the value of CNC machines, and a wooden tinker project may only reinforce his current skepticism. Wood is never a suitable material for a CNC router because it is not stable. Even if you’re milling foam or balsa, you lose one or both of the key advantages of CNC machines: precision and reliability-not to mention any chance of achieving decent speed. Regardless of what you plan to do with a CNC router, the stiffer the build, the better the machine and the machining results. One of Matthias’s main concerns is speed. If a machine isn’t stiff enough, you are forced to lower the feed and speed, which has multiple downsides: increased machining time, faster wear on components, and shorter tool life. By the way, a concrete-based CNC is the most cost-effective option. There are also many ways to further reduce costs, such as avoiding the bed-slinger design and properly orienting the rails. You simply can't beat a proper CNC machine with power tools. A CNC can run a 20mm bit, cutting 10mm deep into the material at 22m/s. Good luck matching that with power tools. And CNC becomes even more advantageous when producing complex parts or handling batch production. You're slower with a CNC machine for two reasons: 1. the machine is not capable 2. you don't have the skills or the right workflow. Simple as that.
Moving gantry looks cool and gives you a larger work envelope. Moving table is more rigid and takes less parts to make. So from a practical standpoint moving table wins. But moving table can't scale like moving gantry can. I saw a vinyl cutter once the size of a basketball court. They were using car tires on their axis. Really bald car tires. The gantry was like 6 feet thick. Moving table just wasn't an option for them. The whole warehouse they were in would have had to move around.
You'll see. As soon as you have a CNC there will be a lot more projects you want to do on the CNC and not in any other way. Even if it's just so simple things like having a "hole saw" of any size available.
Right now his machine doesn't even have a machine controller so it can't accept G Code as input. He's writing code in Python to get it to cut. Which is working for him but it's not really standard. Just wait until he discovers OpenSCAD. We may never hear from him ever again when he does. That's right up his alley.
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So it begins…
In a few years... Building a wooden semiconductor fab
Next one made out of metal, then a better lathe made with the metal CNC, then a CNC plasma cutter, then a CNC water jet, then a fully automated self-replicating fabrication shop
Only a matter of time before he goes additive
For some reason it makes more sense to me to watch you build this cnc from wood than it does to see the many +5000 USD sponsored builds that are on UA-cam. Great video. Super entertaining.
This says a lot about Vevor, takes the criticism like a champ and continues to work.
Vevor feels like the Harbor Freight of Amazon buying, not the best, not the worst, and prices fall in line to be affordable for most people.
since when ignoring became equal to "takes the like a champ" ?
@@vasyapupken They didn't ignore it, they are actively sending him more things to try even though he was critical. Lot's of companies would have gotten butt hurt and blacklisted him.
I've bought a couple of items from them and I am very well satisfied so far. Good products at a very good price.
Vevor has some good shit.
And stand behind their stuff too, bought a pressure pot a while back and the gauge didn’t work, no questions just shipped a new one and some Teflon tape. Sure it’s a few bucks, but it took 2 messages and it showed up in 3 days.
That's a real nice etch-a-sketch you got there
Plotting is a surprisingly useful feature of CNC machines. Even if you don't want to cut with them plotting is handy. Mathias is using the best pen for it too. Cheap disposable ballpoints work the best. I tried using fancier pens and you just can beat ballpoints.
@@1pcfred I use a quill in mine. Took 8 days to work out the perfect path for dipping feather in ink.
@@ricos1497… funny!
I had a group of friends in the US who were into XY tables and the most common thing for them to make with their first XY table was ... more accurate parts for their XY tables.
Similar to owning a computer, spend more time solving computer issues and finding solutions than actually benefit from having a computer, although much better than 1980 when there was still a need for DOS inputs.
I can't wait till Vevor makes a pocket hole machine.
Been waiting for this moment for a long time. I knew the tinkerer would eventually run out of other things to tinker with. I have a few CNC machines I've built over the years. I never CNC anything but the journey of building, learning, modifying, updating, and making some relatively small projects was worth the price of admission for me.
Absolutely fascinating approach to CNC, love it.
Yeah he's a strange one. I've watched a lot of people put together CNC machines and I'm seeing things here no one else does.
Words you never expect to hear when watching someone build a cnc "none of this is very precise".😂
This feels like April's fools
I've wanted this video for years. And never thought it would happen!
Matthias: I’m not interested in CNC
Vevor: Bet
Mate, you should really look into CNC routers. It’s not the future: it’s the past you’ve completely missed. Meanwhile, everyone else has caught on, and loads of people are already using them. But yeah, you do you
vevor offered me to pick any product of theirs and they'd send it to me. If they had a milling machine, I would have taken that instead. Already got their lathe.
@@matthiaswandelthey offer some 3018 machines, but these are very small
Hahaha, very nice to see a Wandel-Brand CNC milling machine!
Some notes:
The Spider couplings are actually not the right kind for this application, since the soft-ish rubber can compress. This might also cause chatter, when the tool puts forces on the screws and causes them to rotate. The motor may not, but the joint will allow some rotation.
The right ones would be "flexible shaft couplings". They are one single piece with a lot of slits in them. They can work with misalignment in xyz and tilt, but allow no flex/rotation.
The ball screws are kind of hardend, but not quite. These are "rolled", meaning the shape is put into them by compressing the material and literally rolling the "threads" on there. This compresses the material and makes it "denser". Which kind of makes them harder. But they are not actually hardened. Although hardened and ground ball screws do exist (much more pricey tho) ;)
Looking forward to "CNC vs Bandsaw gear cutting V2" ! :D
Dear Matthias, thank you for this video. I would definitely watch a 10 part build series and see how you find and solve problems!
Never thought I'd see the day. Matthias making a CNC router!
Knowing you, I bet you're going to find some novel uses for it!
Mmmm, I reckon he will adapt it into some kind of device to retrieve inventory, like small screws, washers, resistors etc.
He would need to index his inventory in some way and it would only work on a very small scale but it would be a hilarious way to feature his 'CNC' in videos where he cuts something in 2 mins on the bandsaw and his CNC fetches the screws for him. Might save 20 seconds a day after the initial massive time investment and subsequent inventory updates.
That or like his wood lathe he will use it for a few videos and we will never see it again
The AI videos on this platform are really getting out of hand, and they think we're really dumb too - Matthias 'never CNC' Wandel built a CNC machine?? As if...
Never thought I'd see rubber bands as an integral part of a CNC 🤣 I hope they make it into the BOM of the pen plotter!
CNC really becomes worth it if you have lots of identical parts to make, need rapid production and don't mind a bit of waste - feed in sheet out comes x parts, complex 'high' precision geometry that is hard to do by hand (as you yourself encountered a basic form of building the machine), or when you don't have the space for all the regular tools to do a job the way you would with that nice workshop full of stuff Matthias!
A gantry CNC is effectively a regular worktable with minor inconveniences added when its powered off, but able to do much the same job as the Bandsaw, Tablesaw, planer etc and usually needing much less space while doing the job too. Does come with downsides of course, but if you have a smaller workspace a gantry CNC router might just be the only tool you really need beyond the hand tools, saving you space in the workshop already, and with the gantry rather than bed slinger style the space you need around the tool to work on larger parts becomes much smaller - work a long sheet through the table saw you need MORE than the full length of the sheet clearance on either side of the blade ideally so you can push it all the way through, can get away with less if you don't mind flipping it over and cutting from both sides. But even then that is much more space around the tool required - if you are slinging the tool and not the bed around the only space constraint on the raw stock is it must fit between the gantry rails and in the workshop.
CNC really becomes worth it if you have a complicated part you need to make that needs to be accurate. Just one and it can be worth it. As opposed to how careful you'd have to be doing it any other way. The CNC can go max speed accurately. CNC just spits out accuracy. A thousandth tolerance all day long is incredible.
finally, this can keep us going for years
I also made a machine out of plywood at first. But then I remade it and made it out of metal. Because the wooden machine didn't provide the necessary precision. I'm happy with the iron machine.
For hobby CNC wood is plenty precise enough. Mathias' machine is a thousandth accurate. What are you doing diffusing semiconductor dies that you need nanometer precision?
@@1pcfred I probably explained it wrong. The poor accuracy was due to poor rigidity. When making mating parts, they must match exactly. Also, the accuracy depends on the hardness of the material and the processing speed. If the machine is not rigid enough, then the cutter bends by tenths of a millimeter. And this will be revealed during milling, not drawing with a pencil.
@@user-cncfrezer a small amount of deflection is inconsequential. Perfection is the enemy of good enough.
With all of that being said, I would like to see the new Matthias-CNC making a pile gears all at once. As always, great video.
Never thought I'd see the day.. Matthias with a cnc feels like a dangerious combo! Cant wait to see where this goes
Please never change! You're the best :)
Your DIY router is looking really cool so far!
Fantastic work, Matthias! 😃
It's looking great!!!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Love seeing projects of yours come together like this. That'll be interesting to see if you end up finding other users for it
Thank you Matthias. I love that you have and do include the errors. I suspect you miss the big shops (yours and your dads) somedays. Then there are fewer things to take care of in the basement. All the best to you, Rachel and the kiddos.
CNC is good for mass producing the same set of holes. Also with a sharp pointed router bit you can make simple carvings. I carved the King of Jacks as a wall ornament back in school which I sadly did not take with me.
Great to see another tool build video. They are my favourite.
Lead on, brother! I had just received some rails and ball screws to build something like this. Seeing yours lets me know I'm not totally out of my mind. (Or I am, but I have company on this road.)
I was watching and this and realized that with the pen, you have designed a very nice plotter.
Finally the video all the Matthias fan were waiting for!🎉
Really? If he goes all in CNC I'm outta here. 🤷🏼♂️
@@Reprint001 you may find the last minute or two of the video reassuring.
As a long time subscriber I an excited to see this mini series.
You'll come around Matthias. I remember when I built mine starting with a sliding glass door frame. Cabinet doors are fun. And once you start with 3D you'll start to see how powerful it can be.
I wondered if this day would come for many, many years. I remember the gear cutting video challenge you did way back when.
If the thumbnail hadn’t shown a machine, I would have thought the title was an April fools joke released too early by accident 😂
Love seeing the practical basement engineering on a CNC now
4:12 "but I just want to play it safe for now"
You've changed, man. (kidding, love the content as always)
I found the Z-axis rigidity and accuracy is the most important sub-system to making good parts. Evaluate the flex when "drilling". How much the router bit is offset from the Z-axis rail guides creates that moment wrench-arm to flex the supports and lash issues.
Like if you relocate your Z-axis screw and rails such that the router is tucked back in the gantry. Kind of invert the rails+screw.
your video remind me to finish my diy cnc router :) after 5 year ago calibration
Dude I'm so excited to start this video!
This was fun to watch, I'm building an CNC Engraver out of two old Ender3 3D-Printers so I can relate lol
excellent video and thought process behind the engineering.
I'm excited now. Good content Mathias
"I don't need limit switches" famous last words, seconds later "do you even lift, bro?" - this one's hilarious.
It might take up more time, but it also be fun 😅.
looking forward to more CNC videos 😎
That's great to watch. And off course you did the program to run it yourself too ! I don't know where your skills end.
Informative and entertaining as always. Thanks for sharing.
Haha you finally caved! Can't wait to see what you do with this.
I'm hoping he gets in deeper with it. Just building the machine is only the beginning. If he thinks that's a time sink just wait until he gets to the software side of it. Dealing with the software is very involved. The CAD CAM aspect of it.
There’s something magical about watching pen plotters do their thing…
In college, on the plotter 40 years ago: "This plotter can sense how much you need this plot immediately, so relax."
I love your videos mattias!
Looks a lot like mine CNC. But with ball screw and servo instead of ACME thread and stepper. Good work.
Yeah I went with acme leads myself. I was extremely budget constrained. I even have rubber hose couplers.
❤ glad to see that you make one 😊
Don't discount how useful it is to have a set workflow from CAD through CAM to CNC. Once you have a workflow that works for you (home, endstops, jigs, favorite CAM ops, etc), it becomes almost effortless. You are making the adoption process difficult by DIYing everything -- CAM and gcode control software is amazing, don't continue to run everything with a Python script!), but that is 100% your style, don't change who you are, it is a pleasure to watch it unfold!
I have identical axis configuration in my diy cnc. Just a tip, you can make a nice dust shield for the table ballscrew and rails from an old roller blind.
Yeah I went with a moving table myself. I have a drawer slide CNC machine. Those are notoriously rickety. With a moving table it is rigid though.
Without question, your kids can now have all the board games... Made of boards! Suddenly 1x1 dice appear, coasters, decortive panels for dressers etc.
You are some man for one man. Doffs cap.
Eagerly awaiting the CNC bandsaw revolution.
You're all about efficiency; I knew you wouldn't be able to resist for too long, lol. I know you will only use it when it makes sense :)
CNC machines have 3 phases: The machine tinkering phase, the setup and learning curve, and the make lots of parts phase. Once you reach the "I can make these precise parts while I'm doing other stuff", the light will come on.
but what lots of parts?
Really enjoyed this. Want more!
Yes, CNC is a hobby in itself. But I think it's also a lot of fun to tinker with. Even with a CNC made from 3D printed parts, like the MPCNC.
Now you can use this CNC to cut pocket holes
Watching you demo this reminded me of a Simpsons scene where Troy McClure and Dr. Nick are showing off a juicer on HSN and they have to yell “wow, is this thing even on?”.
2025 truly is a year where things i never thought would happen would happen.
Looking forward to the wooden 3D-printer to come.
I hope you can get back into making some neat marble ramp parts with this.
Next up, the wooden CNC machine. Waiting for the plans.
You've made a bedslinger CNC, much like original 3D printers!
It's a moving table.
You might not be an enthusiast but I knew the content would and will be good regardless.
Welcome to the rabbit hole!
I have built 3 cncs myself in my basement. One thing i can say is that cnc is not like any other machine in my workshop. Any woodworking tool would outperform a cnc for my time spent making the part, enev batch jobs are slower. However a cnc can do things that other machines dont have to chance at producing, like a 3D topo map, or decorative v carve inlays.
Certainly true. I spent days with an angle grinder carving plywood. A CNC likely would have done the work hands off, in a single day.
after spending a week setting it up.
Never thought I'd see the day.
remember when ave said he wasn't too interested in becoming a CNC chanel? peperridge farm remembers....
It is already too small and ou don't even know it ! 😂
There are a lot of tools like cnc. When you don't have one you do an other way but since you have it, you use it all the time.
Thank you for the vidéo.
Everyone else: Max rigidity. You: Max lignum! :-D don't ever change!
wood can be more rigid than steel if you use enough of it
Excellent work, Matthias! I prefer a moving table, because it has much less mass than a gantry, and reduced moving mass is better, for small machines.
yes, I don't regret going to a moving table. The gantry assembly is half the mass of the machine, and I wouldn't want to move all that. Also, just a simpler and sturdier machine this way.
@@matthiaswandel Absolutely! It was a good decision.
@@matthiaswandel Up to a point moving table is the superior design. At some point the inertia and size of the table gets pretty big though. All the bigger machines are moving gantry. Get a water cooled spindle off Vevor. You want one. They definitely have them. Heck you could use a few of them. Get one for your panta router too. So quiet.
@@matthiaswandelkayak designer and builder Nick Shade has a moving table CNC and uses it quite a bit. The perfect machine for cutting out strip built kayak forms (although I do suppose that getting stuck in the the bandsaw and 12” stationary disc sander would have them done to an acceptable accuracy in an afternoon). It has allowed him to do production runs of foam kayak seats and a neat jig that holds a mini shoulder plane to bevel the edge of the strips.
At least you got some content out of it.
And now, that you have a working CNC you should use it to manufacture the plates from aluminum instead of plywood. And replace wooden gantry structure with steel one filled with concrete. You are on a good path, just carry on ... ;-)
I can see matthias making a cnc cutting automota child that carves your name into your wood of choice. 😂
Cnc’s are fun if nothing else! But they do allow you to do things easier and often things so much more accurate!
CNC has a huge gee whiz factor to it. Just watching the machine run by itself is captivating. It is peak magical. I'll never forget the first time I ran my machine. I was like look at it go. I had it plot this random vector image of a cat I'd found. It did it perfectly. It looked so cool. I was all like, I couldn't do that. But of course I didn't know what I was doing so I inadvertently generated G code for 3 passes. So it plotted the cat 3 times. Which I really couldn't do. Because it traced over each line perfectly, of course. At that point I figured the machine was just showing off.
Looks like fun tho, half is figuring out what to do!
Wow. I thought hell would freeze over first.
That was very informative. Thanks
I"m loving this.
so after years and years we can finaly see CNC :)
Until he has a real machine controller I'm going to have to call this a work in progress.
@@1pcfred
"Until he has a real machine controller"
What do you consider to be a "real machine controller"?
CNC Sith Lords, "Come over to the dark side, Matthias..."
"Nooooooooo!" 😆
I guess you should start thinking about projects where you need >20 parts that are complicated but similar or same. At that point, you can devise a tool path that might take a bit longer to work through, and you have your time freed up to do other stuff in between jobs.
Also, for engraving and v-carving CNC machines are really nice. And as you like to make your furniture look simple but beautiful (have never seen an exposed edge of plywood! with you, there is always a nice strip of hardwood at the edge!), decorating pieces with engravings might be something you'd like. Also - check out prismatic Inlays. Best way to super simply make CNC Inlays. There is a free software for that, its called F-Engrave.
first comes the project, then the tool. the tool has to serve the project, it the other way around
Your firmware should give you control on speed as well as velocity/acceleration and this can help the noise and precision of the movements.
It looks like you are running full speed all the time.
Acceleration is a machine controller thing. Right now he's not using a proper machine controller. That's the next step. Using a proper machine controller that accepts G-Code input. The three popular choices for hobby CNC machine controllers are, Mach, LinuxCNC and GRBL. I'd hope he tries and reviews all of them. Mach he might need more specialized hardware? Mach usually needs a translation board. I think LinuxCNC and GRBL both can run off a PI. I'm ready for Mathias' hot take on the software side of CNC.
@@1pcfredGreat comment/reply. I am with you 100%!
Heyyyy!!! Good to see ya!
CNC is only really for mass or large batch production. A DRO on a conventional machine tends to work better for small batches or one offs.
yes, I discovered this too. My xy drilling machine with DRO was very handy with much less setup time and anxiety.
Wrong. CNC can cut patterns too complex for humans to easily deal with. They do it with ease too. You literally push a button and it is done.
@@1pcfred
"You literally push a button and it is done."
That's a definite exaggeration.
First you have to design the part in CAD.
Then, if your CAD does not output gcode you have to output the design to stl or other file format.
Then convert the CAD output into gcode.
On the other hand, if all your doing is downloading gcode that someone else produced, then yeah, all you need to do is upload the file and push a button and she's off and running.
It really depends on if using a CNC takes more time or not.
If you know what you are doing and have your CNC setups optimized a bit and have designed your stuff in CAD already then writing a CNC programm for it is really a matter of 5 minutes at most.
If you dont have any clever ways to clamp your work, get your work coordinate fast, have to manually probe every tool and have not much experience using CAM, then doing it by hand is faster, IF you are an experienced and skilled woodworker.
If you put anyone unexperienced in front of a table saw, it is not only dangerous, but will take him a lot of time to do stuff you do in matter of a few minutes, same goes for a bandsaw or any other tool really.
HAHAHAHAH
"Man this CNC thing sure sucks up a lot of time - I'm not convinced it's worth it *chuckles *" :DDD
At least, it took some time! Some of us told you to reconsider more than a decade ago! Components are the most expensive part of the build, and you can't go cheap on them. I know wood is your thing, but the best structure you can build should be made from stiff and heavy material, not wood. Molded concrete is the best compromise (in terms of price and adequacy), in my humble opinion. Feel free to think I'm wrong, though you'll figure it out yourself later. As an engineer, I have quite a bit of experience with CNC building. If you want some advice, feel free to ask.
He's not going to be milling steel. So wood is fine for the machine. If he does want to mill harder materials then yes wood is inadequate. But Mathias is a wood elf.
@@1pcfred First, you don’t know what the machine is intended for. My guess is experimentation, because it seems Matthias has not yet grasped the value of CNC machines, and a wooden tinker project may only reinforce his current skepticism. Wood is never a suitable material for a CNC router because it is not stable. Even if you’re milling foam or balsa, you lose one or both of the key advantages of CNC machines: precision and reliability-not to mention any chance of achieving decent speed.
Regardless of what you plan to do with a CNC router, the stiffer the build, the better the machine and the machining results. One of Matthias’s main concerns is speed. If a machine isn’t stiff enough, you are forced to lower the feed and speed, which has multiple downsides: increased machining time, faster wear on components, and shorter tool life.
By the way, a concrete-based CNC is the most cost-effective option. There are also many ways to further reduce costs, such as avoiding the bed-slinger design and properly orienting the rails.
You simply can't beat a proper CNC machine with power tools. A CNC can run a 20mm bit, cutting 10mm deep into the material at 22m/s. Good luck matching that with power tools. And CNC becomes even more advantageous when producing complex parts or handling batch production. You're slower with a CNC machine for two reasons: 1. the machine is not capable 2. you don't have the skills or the right workflow. Simple as that.
@@axelSixtySix don't bother arguing with this guy, trust me.
@ Got it mate, thanks.
Moving gantry looks cool and gives you a larger work envelope. Moving table is more rigid and takes less parts to make. So from a practical standpoint moving table wins. But moving table can't scale like moving gantry can. I saw a vinyl cutter once the size of a basketball court. They were using car tires on their axis. Really bald car tires. The gantry was like 6 feet thick. Moving table just wasn't an option for them. The whole warehouse they were in would have had to move around.
You like Krabby Patties, don't you Squidward?
Where are the gears? Think about all the cool decoration pieces you can mill for the future table, cabinet projects. :)
The yell at 15:40 is hilarious
It begins...finally.
You'll see. As soon as you have a CNC there will be a lot more projects you want to do on the CNC and not in any other way. Even if it's just so simple things like having a "hole saw" of any size available.
We got Matthias building a CNC before GTA 6
Yes we did.
Matthias, you should get GatorCAM for cnc. It's cheap and reduces the time for setting up cuts.
On me.
(Over here)
Right now his machine doesn't even have a machine controller so it can't accept G Code as input. He's writing code in Python to get it to cut. Which is working for him but it's not really standard. Just wait until he discovers OpenSCAD. We may never hear from him ever again when he does. That's right up his alley.
Yes! I love openScad. I use its "projection" to export 2d svg directly then GatorCAM loads it.
Edits are so easy!!