Yeahhhh, as Gary Cole in Office Space would say. lol. I rinse mine first with distilled water from a pressure sprayer with a label saver. Then do a manual clean with a paint pad and precleaning solution. Then I load them onto the Vevor with a cleaning solution 99% iso alcohol capful, and photoflo capful, drop of dawn, and run that for 10 minutes with a variable speed device to slow down the rotation, then I spray rinse each record again, clean with microfiber cloth and set in rack. It's a painstaking process but the clean records are worth it. Finally I use a coffee filter to drain the water from the tank so that the solution stays clean. Ultimately you will probably only have to clean each record once, and then just use your static brush and or discwasher brush each time you play the record. I can usually do @40 records between 2 and 3 hours time.
I use the Spin Clean x2, one with cleaner and last with distilled water then a Record Doctor vacuum drying. It is a laborious process that works well. I wish to expand my collection and the ultrasound looks to be a great technique for very clean vinyl. Excited to try. Thanks for the review. Wash bath is 10% high purity isopropanol with Tergikleen wetting agent+detergent
great video comparison, the Vevor also uses around 6L of distilled water sorry from Canada here lol in imperial is 1.58 gallons, depending on the cost of distilled water is ? I agree with you about having to do a preclean on records cause we all know buying used you never know how they were looked after, also new records I also clean. As for 78's I do a manual clean with disttilled water and some cleaning agent for them. Where the Humminguru doesn't that much water. also dry's the record right away, I own a Humminguru I like it it works well to bring records back to life from surface noise. I also have used a hamade record vacuum system and other types to clean records.
One of my high school friends, Albert Wing, played in Zappa's band. We didn't stay in touch after school but when I found out that new I was really happy for him.
Thanks for the video! You need to tighten the spindle more as only half your albums were spinning at 15:00. I only do 1 at a time for 30 minutes as the motor spins relatively quickly and 30 minutes only has the album in the bath for about 10 minutes. I see more agitation on the sides with just one, so I just go with that, to each his own. I add ilford surfactant. I turn on the spinner and add one drop at a time until I see the the water "coat" the album. Average about 4-5 drops I add 1 oz of 99% isopropyl alcohol, for mold and organics killing. After cleaning I use my Vinyl styl (spin-clean) with pure distilled to rinse. Then I vacuum dry with my vinyl vac and put in a new Audio Storage Solutions sleeve which I also mark with a date/US marks. I also found this filter on amazon, its for an isonic but im sure it could be modded. iSonic 1 Micron in-Water Filter for P4875II+MVR, P4875II-4T-NH+MVR or P4875-NH+MVR. Spin On You Crazy Diamonds
Thanks for the honest take on the two. Ultimately since both are 40khz ultrasonic cleaners, they will function the same. The humminguru is more of a „plug and play” device, whereas the vevor is more of a diy device.
Is there a difference in noise between the 2? I have a similar tank setup and it works well but VERY loud. Living in an apartment I’m sure I’m not a fan favorite when it’s on. Curious is the humminguru or degritter would be any quieter? Or any ideas how to reduce the noise?
@ I measured my gt sonic with a db app and it was in the mid 90s. That’s pretty loud. I’m going to try and get some sort of enclosure to try and muffle it some or I may have to get something else. The humminguru states 60-70db.
Coming from an automotive detailing perspective, I can't imagine using a brush on any delicate surface that I care about preventing marring or scratching. I think the solution is a lot more simple than it's being made out to be. For a new record, clean with a lubricating surfactant and a high quality 80/20 microfiber. Dry with a fresh microfiber. Get a pack of Eagle Edgeless 500's for $22. For a gentle, lubricating surfactant, Optimum No Rinse can be used at 1 part product to 256 parts water. If something's really dirty- rinse the grooves, and hit with a dish detergent spray like Dawn and let it stand for a few minutes, rinse again. PVC doesn't react to a whole lot, so you could throw a lot worse before it would start deteriorating the vinyl compounds. So long as you aren't spraying down your record in anything an organic acid, or something ending in "-tone" or "-line" your good.
One thing which reviewers seem to leave out is how many rinses the one batch of distilled water can be used for. Reason for asking is how much distilled water I need to buy this weekend when getting my cleaner. Can I reuse the water for let's say 4 hours of cleaning records when doing 20 minute cycles e.g. 12 cleaning sessions. Or would I have to change the water more often than that?
Nice comparison.I contemplated getting a Vevor tank but ended up going with the streamlined HumminGuru Nova. I knew sound would be an issue with the Vevor tanks and the footprint of the HG Nova would fit much better in my space. I also like the drying fan of the HG instead of cloth drying or tank drying after the Vevor completes a clean. There are many variables to consider with these US cleaners.
You made the right choice!!! I have a HG and I think it does a better job than the regular ultrasonic (like the Vevor) that I had. I also found the HG to be quieter than the ultrasonic cleaner-but he doesn’t talk about that (it would weaken his point that the Vevor’s better). He also doesn’t mention that you can get an ultrasonic cleaner by other brands that may cost the same or less than the Vevor that will do the exact same job.
You may have to wait 30 years...or more. She only does classic albums, with very few exceptions. She was a guest on the Zappacast and I sent her a copy as a thanks. She's extremely cool.
This is a very good video that well explained the process of ultrasonic cleaners. Yet, an ultrasonic cleaner does only clean. It can't return any lost details in the music.
There is almost no reason to use anything other than distilled water - no solutions are used in other applications (jewelry, etc.) For any one who has a large collection, it is a good investment to get one of these. An argument could be made that a flocculant could be used so dirt won't get redeposited on the record, and having the items sink to the bottom.
That totally depends on the type of dirt. Distilled water doesn't do much on grease for example. For seriously filthy records (the typical "yard sale pick") I use a mix of about 15% pure medical grade ethanol, distilled water and an extremely small drop of commercial dish detergent (the stuff without "hand moisturiser" and fragrance). Works perfect since decades.
@ Thats true. Except for these machines, which my comment is referring to. The machines clean the record with the cavitation, not the solution. Any other cleaning method, your solution is perfect.
Yes, I don't understand why people add stuff to the water, the whole point of ultrasonic cleaning is to NOT have to add anything, the cavitation does the cleaning and the water doesn't need your help getting into the grooves. Temperature also doesn't matter. If your records are clean after 5mins, they're not getting any cleaner after 20mins
Bill seems an unnecessarily verbose guy , but if vinyl Monday Abbie is cool with him, I guess I am too, somewhat. Vevor needed to drop their price to remain competitive in a rapidly changing market, because for about the price of a spin clean, Walmart will offer you a selection of tank style ultrasonic record cleaners that look very much like the Vevor. I consider the spin clean vastly overpriced for being just a cheap plastic water trough with a couple of wheels and brushes. to hold the record while you turn it in a water bath. I saw one in person at a hi fi show and rejected it as a rip off at seventy dollars.
Yeahhhh, as Gary Cole in Office Space would say. lol. I rinse mine first with distilled water from a pressure sprayer with a label saver. Then do a manual clean with a paint pad and precleaning solution. Then I load them onto the Vevor with a cleaning solution 99% iso alcohol capful, and photoflo capful, drop of dawn, and run that for 10 minutes with a variable speed device to slow down the rotation, then I spray rinse each record again, clean with microfiber cloth and set in rack. It's a painstaking process but the clean records are worth it. Finally I use a coffee filter to drain the water from the tank so that the solution stays clean. Ultimately you will probably only have to clean each record once, and then just use your static brush and or discwasher brush each time you play the record. I can usually do @40 records between 2 and 3 hours time.
Nice technique, glad it works for you! Now, about my stapler....
I use the Spin Clean x2, one with cleaner and last with distilled water then a Record Doctor vacuum drying. It is a laborious process that works well. I wish to expand my collection and the ultrasound looks to be a great technique for very clean vinyl. Excited to try. Thanks for the review. Wash bath is 10% high purity isopropanol with Tergikleen wetting agent+detergent
Just ordered my VEVOR at $95 😊
great video comparison, the Vevor also uses around 6L of distilled water sorry from Canada here lol in imperial is 1.58 gallons, depending on the cost of distilled water is ?
I agree with you about having to do a preclean on records cause we all know buying used you never know how they were looked after, also new records I also clean.
As for 78's I do a manual clean with disttilled water and some cleaning agent for them.
Where the Humminguru doesn't that much water. also dry's the record right away,
I own a Humminguru I like it it works well to bring records back to life from surface noise.
I also have used a hamade record vacuum system and other types to clean records.
One of my high school friends, Albert Wing, played in Zappa's band. We didn't stay in touch after school but when I found out that new I was really happy for him.
Thanks for the video!
You need to tighten the spindle more as only half your albums were spinning at 15:00.
I only do 1 at a time for 30 minutes as the motor spins relatively quickly and 30 minutes only has the album in the bath for about 10 minutes.
I see more agitation on the sides with just one, so I just go with that, to each his own.
I add ilford surfactant. I turn on the spinner and add one drop at a time until I see the the water "coat" the album. Average about 4-5 drops
I add 1 oz of 99% isopropyl alcohol, for mold and organics killing.
After cleaning I use my Vinyl styl (spin-clean) with pure distilled to rinse.
Then I vacuum dry with my vinyl vac and put in a new Audio Storage Solutions sleeve which I also mark with a date/US marks.
I also found this filter on amazon, its for an isonic but im sure it could be modded.
iSonic 1 Micron in-Water Filter for P4875II+MVR, P4875II-4T-NH+MVR or P4875-NH+MVR.
Spin On You Crazy Diamonds
I must have re-tightened those after making the shot... the records did get cleaned, I promise you! Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
Thanks for the honest take on the two. Ultimately since both are 40khz ultrasonic cleaners, they will function the same. The humminguru is more of a „plug and play” device, whereas the vevor is more of a diy device.
Is there a difference in noise between the 2? I have a similar tank setup and it works well but VERY loud. Living in an apartment I’m sure I’m not a fan favorite when it’s on. Curious is the humminguru or degritter would be any quieter? Or any ideas how to reduce the noise?
The Humminguru is quieter - when you power up the Vevor or press any of the buttons on it there is a loud BEEP! and it's impossible to silence.
@ I measured my gt sonic with a db app and it was in the mid 90s. That’s pretty loud. I’m going to try and get some sort of enclosure to try and muffle it some or I may have to get something else. The humminguru states 60-70db.
Coming from an automotive detailing perspective, I can't imagine using a brush on any delicate surface that I care about preventing marring or scratching. I think the solution is a lot more simple than it's being made out to be. For a new record, clean with a lubricating surfactant and a high quality 80/20 microfiber. Dry with a fresh microfiber. Get a pack of Eagle Edgeless 500's for $22. For a gentle, lubricating surfactant, Optimum No Rinse can be used at 1 part product to 256 parts water. If something's really dirty- rinse the grooves, and hit with a dish detergent spray like Dawn and let it stand for a few minutes, rinse again. PVC doesn't react to a whole lot, so you could throw a lot worse before it would start deteriorating the vinyl compounds. So long as you aren't spraying down your record in anything an organic acid, or something ending in "-tone" or "-line" your good.
Thanks! Appreciate your opinions and contributions.
One thing which reviewers seem to leave out is how many rinses the one batch of distilled water can be used for. Reason for asking is how much distilled water I need to buy this weekend when getting my cleaner. Can I reuse the water for let's say 4 hours of cleaning records when doing 20 minute cycles e.g. 12 cleaning sessions. Or would I have to change the water more often than that?
Nice comparison.I contemplated getting a Vevor tank but ended up going with the streamlined HumminGuru Nova. I knew sound would be an issue with the Vevor tanks and the footprint of the HG Nova would fit much better in my space. I also like the drying fan of the HG instead of cloth drying or tank drying after the Vevor completes a clean. There are many variables to consider with these US cleaners.
You made the right choice!!! I have a HG and I think it does a better job than the regular ultrasonic (like the Vevor) that I had. I also found the HG to be quieter than the ultrasonic cleaner-but he doesn’t talk about that (it would weaken his point that the Vevor’s better). He also doesn’t mention that you can get an ultrasonic cleaner by other brands that may cost the same or less than the Vevor that will do the exact same job.
I have 45s that costed me about $1000 a piece so I think I will buy the NOVA from Hummingguru
I look forward to Abbie's review of BIH!
You may have to wait 30 years...or more. She only does classic albums, with very few exceptions. She was a guest on the Zappacast and I sent her a copy as a thanks. She's extremely cool.
@BillsBoxOfSound and Abbie is a really good youtuber. Her reviews are great.
This is a very good video that well explained the process of ultrasonic cleaners. Yet, an ultrasonic cleaner does only clean. It can't return any lost details in the music.
There is almost no reason to use anything other than distilled water - no solutions are used in other applications (jewelry, etc.) For any one who has a large collection, it is a good investment to get one of these. An argument could be made that a flocculant could be used so dirt won't get redeposited on the record, and having the items sink to the bottom.
That totally depends on the type of dirt. Distilled water doesn't do much on grease for example. For seriously filthy records (the typical "yard sale pick") I use a mix of about 15% pure medical grade ethanol, distilled water and an extremely small drop of commercial dish detergent (the stuff without "hand moisturiser" and fragrance). Works perfect since decades.
@ Thats true. Except for these machines, which my comment is referring to. The machines clean the record with the cavitation, not the solution. Any other cleaning method, your solution is perfect.
Yes, I don't understand why people add stuff to the water, the whole point of ultrasonic cleaning is to NOT have to add anything, the cavitation does the cleaning and the water doesn't need your help getting into the grooves.
Temperature also doesn't matter.
If your records are clean after 5mins, they're not getting any cleaner after 20mins
Oh no, it is a digital cleaner. It will ruin the analog experience!
Ah, just give up and buy a CD-player like a normal person. 🙂
LOL! I have 4 CD players and a couple of optical data drives, and about 3000 CDs. But I loooove my records!
@@BillsBoxOfSoundI couldn't resist the joke 😂But thanks for a great channel, especially the Zappa-stuff!!
"normal person" these days only gets streamers🤭
Bill seems an unnecessarily verbose guy , but if vinyl Monday Abbie is cool with him, I guess I am too, somewhat.
Vevor needed to drop their price to remain competitive in a rapidly changing market, because for about the price of a spin clean, Walmart will offer you a selection of tank style ultrasonic record cleaners that look very much like the Vevor.
I consider the spin clean vastly overpriced for being just a cheap plastic water trough with a couple of wheels and brushes. to hold the record while you turn it in a water bath. I saw one in person at a hi fi show and rejected it as a rip off at seventy dollars.