I feel learning jazz is making me a better human being and I pretty much exclusively use this man’s methods and books thoroughly ❤ thank you John endlessly..
What a great lesson, clearly articulated. John's 'Art of Bop Drumming' gave me hours of fun and hard work as a kid. Glad to see he's still at it. Beautiful also to see here the '3-3-3-3-4' pattern that's so common throughout world rhythm traditions, in this killer voicing on the kit. Elvin was really the man!
It is interesting that he says start slow. Thats absolutely true.. in fact, I will work on something so slowly, getting the rhythm to imprint on my subconscious.. and then drop it, walk away from it, come back to it a day later. The imprint of that exercise, in my brain, helps me own the pattern much much easier. A good teacher, someone I’ll sadly never get a chance to see or hear live, unfortunately.
Jim Chapin introduced that concept of the high hat as a fourth hand back in the late 40s with his book “ modern jazz drumming” he talks about playing the solo lines with the bass drum and by insinuation even the high hat
I did this sort of thing just today with a phrase I adapted from Bill Stewart. I derived it from a 7-note triplet stick shot phrase he does quite a bit. I originally had it as a 6-note phrase that started on the third partial of beat 4, but then added a hat to introduce it on the 2nd partial of 4 that turned it into a 7 phrase. I then substituted some voices by adding toms and one of the right hands on the ride to sonically break it up. Played over triplets it can throw your ear off if you're not aware of the downbeats. An additional challenge I typically try with most phrases like this would be to displace them forward or backward by one or two triplet partials. That's where things get interesting.
That's exactly what I felt after spending time with him. Even at his stage of mastery, he is thinking about drums and pushing the boundaries every day.
John, when you play the second and third triple with your left hand against the ride cymbal pattern, the third triplet is emphasized with an accent. This makes your ideas sound even more like Elvin's playing. Maybe you should have mention it. When you only play the first and second triplet with the left hand the first one is emphasized. The is the way your left hand moves in this video. Elvin Jones had a feel and way of phrasing that was totally his own. I like it very much. Thank you for exploring and sharing your ideas concerning his style.
Thanks John for making these beautiful concepts so attainable for those of us who love these styles but really need them transcribed and/or well presented like this! I’d love to see what exercises you do for 6/8 Afro Cuban & a mambo feel from your 1st book. In other words studies in Latin independence from your book?
It's a pretty tricky little triplet figure phrasing. Thing that throws people off is using the hi-hat pedal flickers together/ against the other limbs. Ya know we gotta commend guys like John Riley and many others for doing the work of disseminating all these concepts that oftentimes the guys who came up with these ideas # learned completely by listening/ trial and error( maybe error Who Knew Then?) and just jamming a lot/ playing a lot of shows. They didn't read 🎵. And many times those guys were probably high on something when they wrote it. So anyone doing thusly would be breaking down another musicians stoned or drunken drum parts. Ha!
So refreshing to hear a great drummer playing pianissimo.
I feel learning jazz is making me a better human being and I pretty much exclusively use this man’s methods and books thoroughly ❤ thank you John endlessly..
That's beautifully put into words, sir. I agree with you here!
What a great lesson, clearly articulated. John's 'Art of Bop Drumming' gave me hours of fun and hard work as a kid. Glad to see he's still at it. Beautiful also to see here the '3-3-3-3-4' pattern that's so common throughout world rhythm traditions, in this killer voicing on the kit. Elvin was really the man!
It is interesting that he says start slow. Thats absolutely true.. in fact, I will work on something so slowly, getting the rhythm to imprint on my subconscious.. and then drop it, walk away from it, come back to it a day later. The imprint of that exercise, in my brain, helps me own the pattern much much easier. A good teacher, someone I’ll sadly never get a chance to see or hear live, unfortunately.
"And the whole thing in combination at 'Tempo de learnO" hahahaha. Gonna use that from now on
This is great - thanks for posting this
Such a funky groove!
The Art Of Bop and Beyond Bop taught me how to play jazz. John is the master!
Jim Chapin introduced that concept of the high hat as a fourth hand back in the late 40s with his book “ modern jazz drumming” he talks about playing the solo lines with the bass drum and by insinuation even the high hat
One of the modern jazz greats displays what one of the drumming masters played. Although John Riley is in my opinion is a master himself.
Thanks!
"We also have these tomtoms here" 🥴😂
Fantastic! Even if just the last paragraph or so of Wisdom. Wow
John Riley is a wonderful respected teacher.Many thanks for your post.Very informative.
I did this sort of thing just today with a phrase I adapted from Bill Stewart. I derived it from a 7-note triplet stick shot phrase he does quite a bit. I originally had it as a 6-note phrase that started on the third partial of beat 4, but then added a hat to introduce it on the 2nd partial of 4 that turned it into a 7 phrase. I then substituted some voices by adding toms and one of the right hands on the ride to sonically break it up. Played over triplets it can throw your ear off if you're not aware of the downbeats. An additional challenge I typically try with most phrases like this would be to displace them forward or backward by one or two triplet partials. That's where things get interesting.
Many thanks John
Much respect for Mr John.! Bravo and thanks JP for these amazing lessons!
I'm sure John said, "tempo de learno" 😂
You get the feeling this brilliant man never stops learning.
❤ from Australia
That's exactly what I felt after spending time with him. Even at his stage of mastery, he is thinking about drums and pushing the boundaries every day.
Superb
great touch by master Mr. Riley.
Truly incredible. I was struck by his touch constantly as I watched these videos back.
Thanks for the post Japes and John
John, when you play the second and third triple with your left hand against the ride cymbal pattern, the third triplet is emphasized with an accent. This makes your ideas sound even more like Elvin's playing. Maybe you should have mention it. When you only play the first and second triplet with the left hand the first one is emphasized. The is the way your left hand moves in this video.
Elvin Jones had a feel and way of phrasing that was totally his own. I like it very much. Thank you for exploring and sharing your ideas concerning his style.
Thanks John! You are greatly appreciatated.
Amazing stuff!
Does anybody know what recording this comping lick is from?
Great video. Though the notation versus what is being played doesn't always match. E.g. The ride pattern starting at 1:47
Thanks a lot !!!!!!❤
Amazing!
Meine Verneigung, John! - Herzliche Grüße aus den deutschen Landen! - Frank :^)
Thank you so much John. Absolutely amazing
Thanks John for making these beautiful concepts so attainable for those of us who love these styles but really need them transcribed and/or well presented like this! I’d love to see what exercises you do for 6/8 Afro Cuban & a mambo feel from your 1st book. In other words studies in Latin independence from your book?
His course on my site is jam packed with transcriptions and pages of exercises. Check it out!
fascinating
The rhythms are there but it doesn’t sound like Elvin yet. play it MUCH LOUDER haha. 😉 thanks for the lesson!
Very nice lesson!!
Thank you John, will start rehearsing from next week onwards😊🙋🏻♂️
Oof, nice lick. That's gonna take some concentration and practice 😂
It's a pretty tricky little triplet figure phrasing. Thing that throws people off is using the hi-hat pedal flickers together/ against the other limbs. Ya know we gotta commend guys like John Riley and many others for doing the work of disseminating all these concepts that oftentimes the guys who came up with these ideas # learned completely by listening/ trial and error( maybe error Who Knew Then?) and just jamming a lot/ playing a lot of shows. They didn't read 🎵. And many times those guys were probably high on something when they wrote it. So anyone doing thusly would be breaking down another musicians stoned or drunken drum parts. Ha!
Elvin Jones was just a drunken stoner who couldn't read?
2,mezurda iki swing yazıyor???
JR looking good in white shirt and jeans !!
Somehow, John makes ASMR drum videos.
The sound of the stool delights me.
@@christophegragnic8681 It's the smell for me. ❤️
I lost it after the 3rd iteration
Riley is master teacher 4 good books I know of.. took a few lessons from him in 2008 or so
John, you sketch out definitely the "Much further beyond Bop-Drumming" Book we all would love to see you publishing !
Isn't that the paradiddle??????
Slow to positively getting it.
Elvin doesn't play the right symbol like that.... He flattens it out.
At some point John, it sounds like you're just playing an exercise