Full Moon Was Disheartening
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“Blitzo was inconsiderate” yeah sorry the guy in the sexually coercive relationship wasn’t nice to the guy taking advantage of him
And people defend that behavior because he's a demon and from Hell, there's no winning with these people.
Fr, I'm tired of this "both sides" bs.
The show doesn't even acknowledge Blitzø breaking into Stolas' house as the most unambiguously shitty thing he's done to him.
I can’t help but see Stolitz through the lens of Tippi Hedren and the hell she (allegedly) went through under Alfred Hitchcock. It’s difficult to put into words how disappointed I am in seeing people defend the feelings of an abusive panjandrum of sexual coercion just because the victim had the audacity be to stand up for themselves in an aggressive way. My parallel isn’t one to one, but this real life problem being handled this way just perpetuates the problematic state of affairs I optimistically assume no one reading this would willingly want to perpetuate.
When you ask your hooker out and it doesn't end well. XD
@@jessicaharry7481 Vivziepop seems to view abuse like it’s a big mean guy with chains who abuses people because they love doing it. we can’t have more realistic depictions, like an abuser not being fully aware of their actions, or an abuser who is aware but doesn’t take it seriously enough. The show treats Stolas forcing Blitzo into a sexually coercive relationship like he called Blitzo a mean nickname when it’s one of the worst things you could put something through.
Season 2 has been very skilled at “retcons that don’t directly contradict continuity” but the writing has still been frustratingly victim blamey
This is unironically how it feels. When looking at Season 1 and what happens in relation to Season 2, (almost) nothing is contradicted nor changed, but feels wise it's a whole another story. The few moments Stolas and Stella interacted in S1 felt very much "Stella is a bitch but Stolas knows he fucked up on her part, he knows he's in the wrong and her hate is somewhat understandable" only for Season 2 to take advantage of Stella speaking only twice to turn her and Stolas' dynamic all over into a "Stolas is a precious baby boy and Stella was always an abusive bitch that feeds on his misery, rendering the cheating justified on his part"
I get what you're saying but I wish people found another term for this. It gets annoying to constantly hear people scream "retcon!" just because their favorite commentary UA-camr didn't have enough media literacy to apply the term correctly (just to be clear I'm not talking about Vanity Moth).
@@endertuber8300 Yeah, even if Stella was never meant to be a good person, it feels like the situation between them wasn't meant to be as black and white as it ended up being.
@@endertuber8300 Cheating isn't justifiable though?
Do people wish his backstory wasn't so tragic and that he didn't cry so much? I don't understand the issue, but I am genuinely curious.
@@gigachad3925 I believe there is a term for it already. At least on TV Tropes. It's called "Characaterization Marches On" and it means "Early characterization is inconsistent with later, more defined characterization." Obviously, HB is an example of how this can be done egregiously.
After a recent interview with Viv, she stated the Spindlehorse team CANNOT listen to feedback until the end of each season. That's because they lock down the writing once they believe it's ok, in order to focus on writing the next episode or animating.
So yeah, the team will not improve halfway through a season.
So, we expect them to improve on season 3
@@DrAngelKins Maybe. Maybe not. They said they're already working on Season 3's writing as Viv said Season 2 is done.
Yeah animation takes a long time. People bitched about the Circus changing due to feedback. But it's script was written two years prior. Before Lo Lo Land even came out. I like that.
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS Makes sense as there really wasn't any retcons despite what some said.
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS there is no fucking way nothing was changed in 2 years. Thats not how storytelling works and anyone telling they planned everything from the start is lying.
I’ve seen people argue that the writers aren’t aware of Stolas’s flaws, but I’d argue that they’re well aware, it’s why they keep downplaying them or pretending they don’t exist at all.
And I don’t believe in this “the writers want us to see both sides are in the wrong” when this show keeps emphasizing Blitzo’s problems and when Stolas is ever called out (like Seeing Stars and Full Moon) he’s immediately framed as the victim.
I think Viv and her team didn’t expect people to slowly lose sympathy for Stolas the same way she didn’t expect an episode like The Circus to be so divisive. You can’t keep telling your fans “____ didn’t happen! Thats just Blitzo being paranoid” when we SEE it happen.
Vivzie did comment at a tweet of someone saying Stolas doesn't understand his fault in the relationship, and she agreed. So she is aware, which means they have a plan for it.
@@LucaMationsyes but that’s my point, I don’t think she expected the backlash to be THIS intense. I don’t the writers see Stolas as flawless (seeing stars is proof of that) but I don’t think the writers realize that Stolas isn’t kind of flawed, he’s flat out abusive. He put Blitzo in a sexually coercive relationship and demeaned him, cried when Blitzo called him out and then gave Blitzo the cold shoulder when he tried to apologize. He’s deeply unsympathetic.
But Viv seems to think his only flaw is being “unaware”
They send mixed signals when it comes to Stolas. They might say that he's flawed, but when you have things like "Western Energy" ending when Stolas being sad that Blitzo didn't return his last text, Fizzie chiding Blitzo for not realizing that Stolas is genuinely interested in him and Blitzo being apologetic that he yelled at Stolas instead of standing his ground that Stolas treated him poorly, then it makes me feel like the writers are more focused on how sad Stolas is than on the effect his behavior has had on the people around him.
By contrast, season 1 showed how badly Stolas's affair had affected his relationships with his family and Asmodeus mocked him for throwing away what he had for a fling, Blitzo's hallucination showing that he feels chained to Stolas and "Ozzie's" ending with Blitzo and Stolas having a falling out because Stolas hasn't treated Blitzo with genuine respect. This is why I say that Stolas and his affair were portrayed differently in season 1. Season 1 felt like it was focusing on how toxic and manipulative their arrangement was while season 2 seems to push the idea that Blitzo's insecurities are the main thing stopping them from being together instead of the fact that their relationship was messed up to begin with.
@@Corrector1 probably the biggest giveaway is that I don’t see Viv selling “Kys Stolas” merch
Also fun fact about the Blitzo being chained scene in “Truth Seekers”: apparently Vivziepop doesn’t know what it means. You know, the thing Viv only uses to imply abuse.
YES THANK YOU
I keep telling people that no one in the writing room is on Blitzs side or understands his POV. I think they're too afraid to admit thay The Deal is the elephant in the relationship because if they admit that it was wrong, they basically admit that Stolas dub-conned Blitz for months. He used his power and influence to get sex from the less fortunate and that is not a topic they are able to handle and since Stolas is clearly a creator and fan favorite they don't want him to be seen in thay light. But them denying it and punishing Blitz just makes me hate Stolas so much more. If he actually took accountability, got chewed out, and punished for his actions then improved I could see myself liking him, but if they go the route they are by blaming Blitz then nah, I'll never like him, even if he never makes another mistake again. Blitz deserves better.
Really hate how this show keeps trying to make Stolas this naive and romantic guy who got his feelings hurt by Blitz, even tho he actually did everything wrong in this "relationship" literally was the one who made everything about s3x. Its even weirder how the show constantly babyfy and victimized Stolas, despite him doing far worse things to Blitz in this "relationship". And the amount of retcons that Stolas has been getting makes everything worse, since it makes this drama even more shallow and artificial.
Frankly the show went downhill when they decided to put way too much focus on Stolas x Blitz.
Honestly, Stolitz could've been done right if they treated it as it was (an abusive and sexually coercive relationship) instead of woobifying Stolas. I think down the line theh realized they wouldn't be able to tackle such an issue and actually have Stolas improve so they retconned it and basically are now trying to be like "nah, Blitz just *thinks* he was being coerced and manipulated into sex by someone of a higher status, but really he's the asshole here"
@@cam_luong exactly, the problem with Stolitz currently is that we are basically meant to believe that this relationship wasn't that problematic and Stolas never had that amount of self awareness to realize that he had the power in this relationship (even tho it was always shown on season 1 that Stolas was 100% aware of it, and used this power imbalance to get Blitzo do whatever he wanted).
Now everything about this ship is just weird since the writers refuse to actually acknowledge all the previous interactions between Stolas and Blitzo, and they basically victim blame Blitzo (like how we are supposed to sympathize with Stolas not getting his feelings corresponded, despite he literally abusing Blitzo).
So i just think the writers are trying to bite more than they can chew, since they cleary can't write a nuanced situation like this
@a_naotenhonome780 Exactly. And it really sucks because this is like the exact same thing that happens to abuse victims irl, too. Doesn't matter who really is the abuser, it matters who can make themselves seem likeable and like a victim.
@@cam_luong yeah this is also one of the reasons its frustrating to see this type of character being presented on media because it helps to reinforce victim blaming.
The biggest problem with Vivizie as a writer when it comes to writing abusive storylines, is that she can only make the abuser be presented as in the wrong if they are 1 dimensionally evil caricatures like Stella and Valentino, but if they are more nuanced than that (just like irl abusers), they are immediately seem as not thar bad or sympathetic by the narrative
@@cam_luongThey decided to make it a romantic relationship while writing episode 2.
Would having him be a villain really be that interesting? It would be unwatchable.
The thing you got the most wrong about the whole ending of Full Moon was blaming Blitzo for reacting the way he did.
Like, try be in his position for a second:
Your job, your whole purpose in life and pretty much one of the few things you have left, one of your greatest achievements in a disfuncitonal society that treats your kind as nothing more than the bottom of the barrel, is being held hostage by some privileged rich guy who so far has treated you as a plaything, as his personal pet he solicits sex from whenever he pleases because otherwise he could just take away your only ticket to keeping your job.
All he has done is looked down on you because you are, in fact, less than him, he has not shown a glimpse of genuine affection towards you and all he ever talks about whenever he gets the chance to be with you is how "cute" you are and continously flirts with you as well as sexually harasses you even through your clear discontent and discomfort, which you are more than verbally open about yet he doesn't care because he sees you as just some "silly cutie" whenever you get "serious".
Suddenly, you realize everything you worked so hard to keep is at risk, so you try your damn best to please that rich asshole at all costs by trying to "improve" in the deal that was already established, the ONLY thing that links you both togheter. But then, turns out the rich asshole turns to you and drops the bomb, saying he actually always had romantic feelings for you. Your first instinct based on your experiences with him is to believe it is all a sick joke, some weird roleplay in a sense, like Blitzo believe it was, but then he just leaves the room and makes you realize by FORCE that he was 100% serious, and all he does now is antagonize you and act like it is YOU who only thinks about sex, that it is YOUR OWN FAULT that you think he could never have feelings for you. You'd of course feel angered, frustrated, confused, and just as you are about to open up about your feelings he just kicks you out without a say.
People hated Blitzo this episode because they ALL only viewed things from Stolas' perspective, fooled to think he was ever openly affectionate in a genuine way towards Blitzo when that was NEVER the case.
The script wasn't being worked, it was being animated. The script was likely written a year or two ago. Recently Viv I think said Season 2 or Season 3 was already written three years ago.
@@RAINBOWNIGTHMAREPRODUCTIONS Ooh boy. Any chances the next few episodes will respond to any feedback is moot.
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I’m sorry but I can’t agree with your interpretation of blitz at the end of full moon - based on Stolas’s past behaviour, I can absolutely see (not necessarily condone) where Blitz was coming from.
You know the writing just isn’t great when vivzie has to explain they are intentionally making stolas ignorant of his mistakes on Twitter and in the description of the episodes. With good writing, we should be able to deduce that both sides of the blame will be addressed. Instead the show does a bad job at making stolas’ character obviously a hypocrite when the ENTIRE show is ignoring his problems not JUST stolas.
They pass his mistakes as not mattering as much as blitz being a “shitty person”. If you want your show to be readable to the audience they need to SHOW don’t tell. The only way they know how to convey thoughts and emotions is by making the characters state them directly. OR by having vivzie say it explicitly off to the side. They don’t even give us a reason to believe blitz wants stolas, they just have blitz randomly decide to try win him back in apology tour. No development of feelings, just a sudden “I want you back” attitude.
Another example, they want their fallout in full moon to be ambiguous (like everything) but it lacks nuance due to making stolas such a “sweet innocent boy” that anyone who hasnt read vivzies tweets and watched theory videos will just hate blitz’ reaction. They haven’t established the reason why blitz should be angrily fully because they have never shown him or anyone being heavily affected by the class difference or any belittling from stolas. It’s never even thought about until these last two episodes.
Isn't he affected by the belittling in episodes 2, 5, and 7?
There are several reasons why he likes Stolas shown throughout the show, they just aren't as blatant as they could be.
if you can't deduce that things will be addressed later in an on going show that's really just a skill issue
@@megankissinger8269 if a writer has to explain things in social media they are not very good writers. Its not that people don't have media literacy. many people have but you have to GIVE THEM SOMETHING to work with. In Stolas's case its been coddling after coddling of the rich powerful PRINCE. We understand Stolas has negative Social intelligence. We are sick of the very show constantly excuse his actions over and over. Until we see ANYTHING the criticism is valid.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 I mean we are also pretty early into the series. Season 2 isn't even over yet. Is this much impatience really warranted?
I'm just curious as to how, specifically, he's being coddled. Yes he cried in this episode, but despite his major flaws in their meeting he still has a right to be upset and to express that. That doesn't mean he's a victim.
I just don't know what exactly people are looking for?
I mean...you can deduce it without it literally being told to you lmao, that should be obvious. It really doesn't do a bad job of it and it doesn't ignore his problems, it's called out him being a bad parent multiple times by now.
Not true, just because Blit apoloigzes first (which with Blitz needs it's own focus first since it's Blitz) doesn't mean Stolas's mistakes don't matter as much just that it will get focus later. And they do show. Nah they show it too. They do, Stolas is nice and kind and caring and protective of Blitz at times, that wasn't random it made sense that Blitz would want him back. It was a development of feelings throughout the entire episode, he was grappling with his true feelings for Stolas.
It doesn't lack nuance though and again Stolas is still flawed and not everyone will hate Blitz reaction. They have established the reason why Blitz should be angry with what the deal was and how it's Stolas, and he was belittled from Stolas too and was affected by the class difference. I mean no...it's been thought of before, Striker himself brought it up.
Oof. Helluva Boss is the "laughingstock of the internet" hurt but it is sadly true. There is a reason that whenever people recommend indie animations, they rarely want to bring this show up as an example and instead mention Lackadaisy, TADC, Murder Drones, Battle for Dream Island, etc.
It's gone down the toilet, and will only get worse after the Millie sui**de episode (I saw the leak).
Your Not wrong I barely even watched season 2 I could no longer stick with it anymore because how bad the quality of the show has gotten which is going to get worse from here😕
wait WHAT? Millie WHAT? You can't be serious--that's REAL?
Oh boy, if that leak is true... that would be the death nail of the show if they decided to do that.
@@kidslikeyouwillgotohell4093 Specifically, the leaks show an antagonistic ghost that taunts the members of I.M.P. about their insecurities and he tries to convince Millie that Moxxie deserves a better wife than a brute like her and Millie almost commits suicide until the others stop her.
It's worth noting that the leaks claimed this would happen in episode 6, while the actual episode 6 was something entirely different. So I assume that either the leaks were fake or they were real and the backlash over them caused the episode to be reworked and pushed further down.
@@blockyuniverseproductions6587 Some animators leave and several viewers will unsubscribe I believe.
Full moon just paints blitz in the wrong even though I don’t like him Stolas was worse
Apology Tour’s description states that Stolas isn’t self aware so hopefully the show addresses his faults in future episodes
@@CallOfTheDragon885hate to repeat this but this should be something said IN the show, not in the description
@@CallOfTheDragon885bro he was just making a point 💀
“If he’s over here as a prisoner what kind of monster does that make me”
“This transactional thing we have it’s not right anymore it hasn’t been it never was and now all I can see is how wrong it is to be tethered to someone in such an unfair way and not know how they feel”
“What if I came off to strong, what if I read this too wrong, what if we just don’t belong”
Read these Stolas quotes and form your own conclusion. Say what you will about his actions but he does in fact regret them.
Agree to disagree but I respect your opinion
To be honest, I kind of ditched this episode I kind of lost all faith of HB the quality of each episode in my opinion kind of got worse and the writing still has the same problems and Viv seems to refuse to listen to feedback I’m still hoping that she will take criticism seriously and improve but I don’t think she will because she has way too much pride in herself which is a red flag.
I think a lot of this critique culture gets weird when we start assuming what’s going on inside people’s heads about pride and expecting them to listen to criticism about episodes where the production is almost complete.
I don’t really like season 2, but I don’t think that we should assume that they don’t take criticism if they may just disagree, not see it, or not have a chance to accomodate.
Viv has addressed stolas’s flaws in tweets so we might get eps on it later.
@@Alecationsexcept vivzie admitted in an interview that she ignores criticisms that she feels is rude. Problems come up when that rude criticism has some truth in it. Then she can’t improve her show without believing she’s bowing down to the trolls
I've only ever watched clips and read summaries of "Helluva Boss". It didn't sound like a show that would fully appeal to me, but I was still curious to see what ideas the crew would come up with and it certainly has stellar animation and cool moments. Typically what would happen is that after a new episode dropped I'd watch compilations of Moxxie's scenes (I'm a fan of Richard Horvitz) and read the recap pages on TV Tropes to see if there was anything that sounded interesting to me. Over the course of season 2, I also began to find the discourse around the series interesting and I enjoy seeing people pick apart the show's flaws.
But now, even my casual interest has been waning. Despite playing a role in "Full Moon", I didn't feel like looking up Moxxie's scenes. This isn't a slight against the episode itself, but hearing that Loona finally got dialogue again reminded me of how I wish the show was more focused on the relationships between the members of "I.M.P." "Apology Tour" was the first time I didn't bother to read a full summary of the episode, because what I did read didn't sound like something I'd enjoy. These days, the only thing that makes me have any genuine emotional investment in "Helluva Boss" is that I still like Moxxie, partially because he's the nicest character in the show but also because I've always had a thing for underdogs who never stop being underdogs. But I think about how he hasn't gotten any positive character focus since "Western Energy", an episode that aired over a year ago.
I realize that nobody can probably relate to my exact situation with the show, I just wanted to commiserate with people who are also frustrated at not getting what they want out of it.
@@user-x7dc2pq7nto be fair she has gotten a lot bad faith criticisms just look at people trying claim ep of hazbin is glorifiying sa
The writing is done years in advance. They already wrote the first half of S3.
I was so sick of the show's BS that I was rooting for the cherubs to achieve some kind of victory.
BTW, I do not consider Helluva and Hazbin to be Indie anymore. They have a budget that doesn't involve only the fans, they have famous voice actors, the team isn't a small one.
Just because is on UA-cam, doesn't make it indie
When do you consider something to stop being indie?
If it has indie roots its indie imo
Imo that still doesn't compare to having a full on corporate studio backing you. Having a corporate studio means 100% security/consistency regarding funding at the expense of having less creative freedom, and also the looming possibility of getting cancelled/not getting the number of episodes you want. Hazbin Hotel definitely fits that mold, but Helluva Boss, while at the moment being able to make a lot of money independently, is still very much indie because it has no corporate studio and is directly supported by fans.
I would agree. Mostly. Hazbin isn't indie anymore, but Helluva Boss still is for the time being.
One word: Fanservice. This show started losing views since "Ozzie's".
The first 6 episodes of Helluva Boss are so good Stolitz literally killed this show until S2 Ep3
Every episode could've been a variation of C.H.E.R.U.B.S, and I would've liked it so much more 😅
Blitz’s yelling was crass, inappropriate and hurtful.
That doesn’t make what he said any less correct, at least with what he has to work with from his POV.
And just REALLY ANNOYING
Honestly there is no "both were wrong" Stolas has the entire fault.
No he doesn't. It's not his fault blitzø is an idiot ."bUT hE fOrCeD hIM into the relationship" doesn't make blitzø right 😂
At best it's a 90/10 split
Stolas pretty much immediately puts down blitz by not communicating about his intentions and put him on edge about the book. Blitzø's entire livelyhood is directly related to the book, which Stolas has conplete control over. He coerced Blitzø into a sexual relationship without considering that Blitzø is both fighting fir his life AND has no real way to say no. Everything Stolas does directly forces Blitzø to say yes. He had every right to yell at Stolas about looking down on him, Stolas does. Stolas lets abuse slide against imps, makes Blitzø uncomfortable all the time, sexyalizes everything he does, AND doesn't communicate directly at ALL. Those texts are tragic.
And most of all, Stolas has all of the power in the argument. He chooses when it's over, and Blitzø was literally about the apologize anyway (it probably would have been a bad apology, but he was literally about to atleast try)
Dude, I'm going to say this like every other frustrated person has said a thousand times over. Stolas and Blitz had a sex for services situation.
They never had a relationship. From the very beginning, the Owl started this sex for service's situation and ended it on his own terms. Without any input from Blitz. What do you expect to Blitz to do ?
Blitz was expecting to just sleep with Stolas once a month like he normally does, and then the Owl goes and does something like this and you expect him to believe that he loved him ?
As a member of the lowest caste of hell, only being slightly higher than h
Hellhounds, how can you expect Blitz to believe that a prince of hell, born with money, status, and privilege could ever seriously love him ?
As for the Owl, the Owl didn't help things either. He never demonstrated much loving behavior towards Blitz, and he never really bothered to say he ever cared. From the beginning he made this whole thing about sex. He has been condescending, classist, as well as spineless.
Stolas' song was basically like a Disney princesses song, because Stolas is so heavily wrapped up in his own mind, thinking that his thing was Blitz was a fairytale, when it wasn't.
Blitz not focusing on the crystal, was because he was too blindsided by Stolas ending their once a month sex session. He spent the whole night prepping for it, and he's told this ?! Of course he'd be blindsided.
As for the cherubs, did you forget that it was established that angels are stronger than demons ? And that the only way that an angel ended up dead was because Carmela Carmine used her angel enfused steel shoes to cut one's head off... Which was kept a secret.
It's clear that since the cherubs aren't that great at combat, or stealth, but could still be a problem getting rid of, Loona using her tail to swat them back to the dimensional portal was a good idea.
The fact that you seem really can't pay attention to certain details, and need everything explained to you it's startling.
The writers knows that the two demons messed up, but in full Moon Stolas screwed up so much more. The fact that you cannot see the obvious balance in power between them is staggering.
How could you forget that as an imp, being the lowest member on a cast of hell, with hellhounds only being slightly lower, that as an imp Blitz doesn't have much in the way of options and can only focus on sex, because he has nothing to barter with except for his body.
While the owl, is a Goetic Prince of hell, with all the money, status, and privilege attached to it. He can pretend like status doesn't matter, because he said that the top of the heap.
He treats the Imps around him like dirt, and he objectifies and fetishizes Blitz constantly.
Blitz mentioned his issues with Stolas back in the 6th episode of season 2 when he was tied with Fizz. It's not like this was not at the back of his mind. He just doesn't happen about it like striker.
Even Fizz pointed out his status as an imp, when he was worried about it affecting his relationship with Oz and his ability to keep performing and keep on being useful to Mammon.
This might be popular and he might make money, but he's still an imp by society of hell, someone on the bottom.
Ozzy doesn't make a big deal about it because, he's a member of the seven deadly sins, and the only person he's answering to is Lucifer and I doubt that guy cares about Ozzy's love life.
But there will be a backlash, and Fizz will most likely take most of the blame, the one with lower status he will suffer more.
The fact that you ignored all this is just shocking. I don't think season 2 of Helluva boss has been that bad. In fact I've been enjoying it.
The fact of the matter is, we're getting quality entertainment, with incredible animation and character designs and music as well when pro animation industries and filmmaking studios keep on giving us dreck.
I can't hate blitz, he's absolutely right in losing his shit at Stolas
Between the victim blaming and stolas being the worst, im going to hope stolitz isn't endgame and instead game over!
Honestly? The terrible writing of this show has made most of the cast so unlikable and annoying to me that I'm honestly rooting for the Dorks to come out victorious.
Millie, Fizz, Loona, and Moxxie are still likeable Blitz is also okay
@@VelvetteSimp
blitz is the worst one out of them. It's so annoying to hear his b**hing because of his sad backstory.
And with this stolitz drama, they just made him into discount angel dust
@@VelvetteSimp Millie has nothing truly going for her, Loona after seeing stars has become just a bitch, Moxxie, i would love that he could have a meaningful W, Fizz is good tho
@Axel_Kasai You misspelled Stolas
@@VelvetteSimp
You misspelled blitzø
I always have said this about viv's works: her writing is a key way of criticism she never handles and just abuses her shows being "mature"which this episode is a prime example of, and I feel irritated and disappointed by this and I feel like if she didn't abuse the "adult" jokes so much I would've liked her shows as much as my most favorite show ever and I feel like she can't use that I hope she will see this but she probably won't.
The only way this show can redeem themselves now is of Blitzo actually got together with someone else
Because no matter how they try to make the complains with the story been fixed, it will be all look unsatisfied
This whole relationship is a shame. It was badly developed, badly introduced, and there was no reason to be this awful
And what sucks the most.... is how is obvious Blitz don't love Stolas,, and this show is gaslighting us and the characters. And they are making Blitz like he is in the WRONG! No, they are not making this as a situation where them both are in a bad relationship. They genuinely want to agree that Blitz was over reacting on the outburst. And that is Blitz should apologize
No. Just no. That is victim blamming at its finest
I am just... so disappointed that someone like Medrano was the one to get this amount of success, when so many AMAZING animators and writers don't receive a third of the appreciation she gets giving us garbage. Straight up garbage
Garbage story, garbage characters, garbage story
And I am so disappointed. I wanted to like her shows. For years I admired her. This is a punch in the guts for me
It’s not that serious please touch grass
They've given us several reasons why he likes Stolas, they just aren't in your face. They are surface level, but they exist.
I keep thinking about the biggest hole in this show. Basically, when Blitz hunted down a succubus/incubus to have them use the asmodean crystal. Blitz never needed to get the book from Stolas. If he just used his "natural charm" I'm sure he could have found a mildly blood thirsty lust ring resident that would be into "doing their job." then kill people. The crystal ends up being the most busted thing all because they didn't want to think about the plot what so ever.
@@rutyqutykandi1361 Asmodean Crystals are registered in the user's name. Ozzie would not be ok with Blitz stealing one for himself.
And the whole point was for Stolas to let Blitz out of their contract. What's the point in him starting it and have Blitz get himself out of it? He didn't want their deal to end.
@@megankissinger8269 You literally proved you don't even read peoples criticisms. I've seen you comment to multiple people now with nothing but baseless assumptions. But let me break this down for you.
First, I never said Blitz needed to steal one. I pointed out that there could easily be a blood thirsty lust resident that might have joined I.M.P. Add to that, Blitz and by extension Stolas were already in trouble for using the book. I don't think a succubus using it to help Blitz would have been in any less trouble.
Second, I'm pointing out that due to the crystals, Blitz never needed to meet Stolas. There was no need for the book and the trouble that Blitz's business caused hasn't been addressed at all. None of this plot needed to happen because the writing team just created a far easier solution Blitz could have used.
What I love about full moon is it shows how delusional Stolas is about his level of emotional intelligence. Blitz is not perfect neither is Stolas but at least Blitz wanted a moment to talk after being gaslite into some bullshit conversation about feelings he didn’t even want to get into.
Helluva boss is going to hell
Real hell of great eternal suffering
@@A7-13-x no literally it is going to hell
Helluva boss awoken a demon
@@helluvabossfan-6668 oh okay :D
@@A7-13-x yep and it ironically woke up a demon
It's been going to complete shit for over 2 years now.
Full Moon divided the fanbase
... Again.
Looking at how divided people are about how the Stolitz relationship has been handled, the hiatus isn't shaping up to be a pleasant one.
wdym by again?
@@jaydenc367 As in it’s not the first time the show does something that divides the fanbase
"and possibly listening to feedback" yeaaaah right, off to a good start
The rest of imp showing up to fight the cherubs felt like a deus ex machina especially since they aren't shocked or confused on how the cherubs got to hell in the first place.
I am disgusted when people said that "This episode have great writing!!" Or being overdramtic and shit when it is legit one of the worst writing i ever come across.
I might not agree with those people who think this is great writing but you shouldn’t say that you’re disgusted by people that like something you hate, it’s their opinions, it’s fine you disagree but you should’ve called him disgusting for having a different opinion.
What nobody says full moon has great writing
@@VelvetteSimp yeah I know, i’m just saying I might not agree with those people if they think this is great writing.
Stolas: *telling Blitz that he doesn't want it to be about sex*
Also Stolas: *Looking down on Blitz, using pet names and constantly acting horny around him without having a single bit of knowledge that it hurts Blitz*
If you didn't get it, Stolas lacks self awareness, it's not incosistency, but a bad habit of his, his biggest flaw, he does a stupid action and doesn't see the damage he inflicts until it's too late and shit's hit the fan, that's why Blitz was yelling at him, because Blitz, after being treated like this for so long, found it hard to believe that the Royal that constantly called him "Impish Little Plaything" ever actually loved him
The Cherubs and Dhorks were pointless, and even took always from the episode. If you took them out of the episode, the ending wouldn’t change. The time the Cherubs took away could’ve been used to focus on Stolas’ pov, seeing what he does to prepare for the Full Moon. Honestly this episode needs some big changes and some small ones to make it better.
Another thing to note that rly grinds my gears. Everytime Moxxie calls Blitz sir after the events of truth seekers. It’s like fire to my mental state, because the scene where Blitz tells Moxxie that he doesn’t have to call him sir, and instead just call him Blitz was touching, since that was the first time Blitz was (Unwillingly) vulnerable and open to ANYONE. But no, that’s no longer a thing now
I miss when the show was about a group of assassins and not a rom com about two people with a toxic relationship.
taking into consider that full moon was a mess i cannot wait to see this guy review apology tour
I really enjoyed hear your perspective on this episode.
I am going to have to disagree on how you view Blitz. As I definitely view Stolas as being more in the wrong. Yes, the show is manipulating you into feeling bad for Stolas. And that’s fine. So long as you acknowledge his faults as well. And that he was wrong for the coercing Blitz.
I more or less interpreted Blitz inspecting the gift of the crystal as a subtle character moment. I feel like this deserves its own episode involving Blitz's relationship with the circus and its workers a little more, but I saw it as another aspect to Blitz's self loathing, and how he can't really accept gifts without feeling as if they are tied to something or some sort of transaction / consequence. It felt like a nice way to tie it to how he sees his relationship with Stolas as something purely for transactional thing. I do agree though with every other point as it more or less feels like the show severely stumbled it's way through certain story beats. The show desperately needs to bring IMP's job back in a way that feels interesting, without it needing to exactly be the focus of the episode. It seems as though that's what they will be doing with episodes such as with the ghost episode this October, so I am semi excited to see where that goes more or less.
I do miss the target of day plots from the first Season.
I hope hazbin hotel doesn't go off the rails when it comes back
@16:45 vivan said in a youtube interview that the episodes are written a year in advance, we probably wont see imp doing their job till like season 4 or a helluvashort.
also season 4 was stated to be the last season.
@@AlphaSorrow Good thing that was a set piece and not the original premise.
Personally, I believe that the "Helluva shorts" came about _because_ they're trying to address the audience's criticisms sooner than they'd be able to in the regular episodes. I doubt it's a coincidence that the first one focused on Millie and her sister.
@@Corrector1 I believe that, especially with what they did in Happy Campers- like they make it obvious 😭😭
"Blitz's primarily just looking for consent"
Bullshit. Rewatch the series.
this channel's reviews never fails to open my eyes to flaws in episodes of shows.
i get that Blitz can be in the wrong a lot of times but why do people ignore he fact that Stolas made the deal with Blitz while Blitz was trying not to get shot (he was even watching blitz while he did this) and everytime Stolas calls Blitz it is for s3x, Stolas even calls Blitz his impish little plaything. how is Blitz supposed to take him seriously after all that? we can't just put all the blame on Blitz. also season two has been...lacking . the amount of s3x jokes in some episodes just kill the tone of serious sceanes and i can't take it seriously
I just wish they just kept with what originally the show supposed to be
IIRC, this is gonna be a full 12 episode season. And we STILL don’t have the Millie episode Viv promised.
Happy Campers is more Moxie/Blitz focused and the conflict between the M&M’s comes out of nowhere. And the mini episode with Millie’s sister doesn’t count; it didn’t even tell us anything new about Millie!
If we _are_ getting a Millie episode, then it's probably going to be the next one. But even if that ends up being the case, whether it'll actually change the fandom's perception of Millie is up in the air.
there is a millie episode. i have seen some story boards with most being focused on mill’s there is no indication what episode it is, but its coming.
@@FREAK_WEASELone episode out nearly 20 and they finally give one to Millie. I’m sure the fans are thrilled
@@Birdyboyssorry were you expecting a Millie season or sm 💀
The writers did Blitzø so dirty these last two episodes
Not really. If they wanna write a serious plot, they had to tear him down 😂
As a whole, I think Helluva Boss is very unorganized. It has great ideas, concepts, and characters, buuuuut it doesn't cohesively execute them. Too many ideas and not enough thought put in them, ya know?
Honestly, I never did like the powersuit as a means to win. I mean, the suits busted after the battle and it sent the antagonist back months of progress. They could have just trained them, or maybe make the powersuits later to fit the already themed Cherubs by sheer coincidence. It was just so forced and felt like they had to get the cherubs and DHORKS out of the way as opposed to wanting to use them again.
i do enjoy him criticizing all the sex jokes in season 2 while the melody of "Take me to bonetown" plays in the background from season 1
The second season focuses on Stolas' character and his flaws in the first season. For example, in the first episode of the second season, The Circus, it focuses on Stolas's naivety, as he fell in love with Blitz without any knowledge of him, and even Blitz did not feel the same way, as Stolas said without any introductions. (You are here to ravish me weren't you) I mean how can you throw yourself like that without any thinking? This is not some kind of fantasy book. We also saw in the Star Seeing episode one of Stolas's faults, which is his neglect, as he did not try to search for Octavia and stayed throughout this episode with Blitz, and throughout the first season, Stolas is always not serious and treats Blitz as a kind of sex toy that exists only to satisfy his desires. Yes, Blitz is stupid, yes, Blitz messed it up, but after saying all of this, is Blitz really to blame in that matter?
Maybe off topic but I heard that Helluva Boss gonna have 50 episodes which is too much for me. If it was well written it would only need at around 30 episodes to end the series and move on. Good things have to end, Helluva Boss isn't and maybe won't get any better.
Your right about helluva boss being the Laughing stock of the Internet and guess what stolitz is a repetitive loudmouth and a laughing stock of the Internet 0:29
Stolitz is the ship name. The repetitive crybaby is blitzø 😂
Blitzo knows how the azmodean crystal works, in that moment he was looking at the azmodean crystal going like "Why are you giving this to me?"
17:23 this line was probably an excuse to make that fan service shot :/
This and apology tour prove I was right to ship Blitzika and not stolitz
Why punish verosika like that? 😂
The show keeps gaslighting its viewers into thinking Stolas is the victim here.
He’s not.
He’s an aloof and condescending rich boy taking advantage of others and I’m not just going to forget that.
Yes I see Stolas taking advantage of Blizo but I don’t see him taking advantage of others, what are you talking about,can you explain can you show me an example
So blitz can get away with can get away with all the same stuff stolas does because he's not rich.
Even if it's not Canon, no one talks about how uncomfortable and condescending he was with moxxie in the pilot 😅
I think my biggest issue with the boths aide argument is that they dont get equal treatment in their own lives. Blitz has SO many issues of his own fault that he justifiably suffers the consequences for(even things that aren't like his daughter beating him up in seeing stars 💀 for like NO reason either she didn't even apologize). Stola's troubles are more out of his control. His issues with his wife are more favoring him("I'd feel bad if i huet you but we both know i didn't do that"), yeah his daughter is still upset about it but in every episode where it happens shes all happy and forgives him.
I want stolas to mess up in his own personal like too, have his daughter not forgive him for things that are genuinely his fault. Not saying to make stella a victim eother but what i love about helluva season one was how the fadnom dealt with stola's infidelity.
They aknowledged his flaws through his cheating but knew he had room to grow. They were aware despite him being better than his wife he was still moraling grey in his actions because at the end of the day you still cheated in your wife dude.
tbf, S2 was writtne 3 years ago. just cuase it is indie doesn't mean the can go back and change the scrip. Three years ago the critique wasn't as big as it was now. An dhoenstly, IMP was never the focus of helluva much, or at least their job wasn't - even in S1 there like 2 eps that really focus on their bussniss or well 2 and half.
But yeah not a fan how all the blame is pushed onto blitz. S3 seems to get two new writers, so I'm hoping S3 while take some of the critsim into ACC. something I don't expect so see in S2.
But Im mainly here for FIzz. I never cared for the Stolitz relationship.
Humans have always had the concept of exorcists, that term isn’t just for executor angles.
But exorcists are something else in that universe so claiming they are exorcists is weird
@@Axel_Kasai priests who perform exorcism are a thing in real life
@@WhiteCresentKnight I know
Another great vid, there always worth the wait
The comment I made about how hypocritical it is people say bad behavior and swearing is fine cause Hell is a thing that infuriates me among other things, if you're so upset the Blitz' hostile behavior is bad in AT then what is the point of that statement? I mean yes I have problem with Stolas' behavior and contradictory comments because he's truly going against who he's supposed to be: Pure & a good Demon Prince who means well and if I say him being hypocritical is fine, I'm just going to get flamed and hated anyway so Idk and don't give af about this anymore, no winning with these fans.
And why are the main/side characters given human emotions and sad backstory's? I thought this was hell 😭 I thought these were supposed to be bad "people" but they're written like "oh he's just misunderstood/he acts this way because-" like where are the ACTUAL bad people??
Thank you for pointing out the s€x jokes. In the first episodes they didn't felt force, but now it's felt horrible
So you planning on reviewing apology tour
Nice video as always vanity! But when are we gonna talk about how dronethrone striked his artist 👀
Full Moon is a good episode in my opinion and I think it's pretty cool! My favorite part of the episode is the moment where Blitz is visiting Fizzarolli while shopping for Stolas for their night. The Cherubs teaming up with The Agents is very in and comedic at the same time. Although that ending is very sad especially when Blitz and Stolas were arguing and Blitz hurts Stolas' feelings, even though he's not innocent either. Plus I'm happy Erica Lindbeck came back to voice Loona again. Overall I love this episode, even though there are some flaws here and there. And the whole ending scene is just pretty emotional.😁🥺🙂😅😥💔
I respect you’re opinion good review ✌️
that whole thing of where moxxie comes from makes me so mad lol
Where have you been moth? I was in turkey and spent an entire week and when I came back you were still gone?
What’s that, you were hard working on the video, that’s ridiculous making UA-cam videos is very easy (lie)
Life has been annoying and I was burnt out. Hopefully with this I can get back to my bi-weekly upload schedule
@@vanitymoth nah man it’s ok, life gets away from the stuff you like, and I’m obviously joking, hope your life gets better (also I will not have a strong opinion on this video because I don’t give a slight damn about HH and HB.
Lost me at blitz is the wrong
They should just kill stolas now. If he's as bad a guy as vivzie and other people want us to see him as, blitz shouldn't want to be with him and the shippers shouldn't want that either.
It'd be like angel ending up dating valentino after some bullshit 😂
I said this early on Artiece TB's channel and had an idea for in order to save the show.
Another roblox avatar looking for violence, prob another 12-18 year old skibidi that doesn't bother to try and resolve conflicts, kids are kids after all. Easily influenced. But probably the person to end up wanting 100k a year for working at mcdonalds on a phone. Looking at what they want to do, over what they need to do to achieve what they want.
Say what you like but there's a boomer adage. Maybe don't like all of it or not, But 75% of marriages used to stick together. In their words. "We treated marriages the same way we used to treat our tools. When they needed oil, we oiled them. When things broke, we fixed them. Your generation treats everything like a throwaway plastic utensil."
"When you have problems, your generation tends to dump people. The figure has swung, 70% of the newer generations marriages often end in divorce after 4-10 years, as people cheat on each other, instead of listening to their feelings. The child is a afterthought. People seek their own pleasure in a team effort, and are surprised when they end up alone."
I don't see how he's possibly bad enough to warrant that? None of them are.
@megankissinger8269
he clearly is self-aware enough of what happened despite vivzie and others saying he isn't. If they think he's that incapable of character growth, then it's just annoying to keep this plot going.
People say "I hope stolas gets an episode where he has to reflect", but what's the point when any example of him reflecting would be ignored?
I was slightly dreading the next episode purely because of the stolitz stuff. Where’s my demon hitmen? Where’s my zany dark comedy?? Where is it Vivienne?! Where is it?!?
Stolas abuse in a nutshell 0:29
9:14 So you're suddenly just forgetting about the child soldier joke that was actually good?
Vivian has said in a recent interview that she cannot listen to the fans. Like AT ALL as much as she would like to, the studio won't allow it
Because?
@@Axel_Kasai because, according to her, as much as she wants to, it's all planned out. The whole four seasons are already written down and planned out. So the fans wanting anything is futile
@@leonarddement3432 so the studio has other writers that don't want her to change it, or what?
@@Axel_Kasai yes. Exactly. They are controlling what she does with the show. I knew this would happen. She might hire her own writers but I know the studio she hired out to is controlling the narrative
@@leonarddement3432 What interview did she say that? She hired the other studio so she's their boss, why would she listen to them, isn't that the entire point of going indie?
I like your voice
oh my god i dont care get off my feed
>watches a video and complains instead of ignoring it
Are you stupid?
You cared enough to comment
I mean say what you want, but Stolas was robbed and pushed into during a "Oh, you're here to ravish me, aren't you, so hows your life doing. Are you still a clown? One might think you might have bad intentions after stealing from me last time" and getting forced upon.
Yeah Stolas made the joke and in pilot and s1:2 forced it, i was catching up to the episodes. But Blitzo is as romantic to me in 2:8 as a red ted bundy, 2:9 is better, but i feel like there' sa major problem.
Stolas is literally a fantasy prince version of a "high value fantasy princess", he's rich, caring, and he's wrong at the start, but grows to be uncompassionate. and people still hate him, and people point out his response was getting lustful in a relationship blitzo was the victim of 'forcing himself into to avoid execution'. The whole situation is a mistake.
Just there's a lot of real life people who demand 7 figures and when asked what they bring to the table. Say "I am the table"
Stolas is a fantasy princess who's not good enough when he brings
o 7 Figures fantasy money
o 7 Figures fantasy power
o Has a stunted bringing and ex from hell who hires assassins
o Is supposed to have control over a legion of hell but neglects it to bone the imp
Meanwhile blitzo brings
o Alchoholism/abuse
o Rage/violent/anger control issues
o Sees stolas as a symbol of oppression.
o Has a moment of remorse in 2:9 but before that tried to kill his partner multiple times.
Say what you want, in fiction there can be really both sides and one sides. What i've seen is most people tend to relate to their own lives most. They say you can't really fully understand a person until you see where they came from first, which is a place nobody in life might get to see, but can easily happen in fiction. Where 20m might unironically give more insights with the ability to portray media than a year of "...."s.
Blitzo is coming from a place he wanted to be a clown but he tripped so he hurts people after his father pushed him into using people.
Stolas is coming from a place his father taught him to be haughty and arrogant to win over people, so he pretends to be haughty and arrogant but tries to love despite his family likely demonizing/abandoning him around his back, his own daughter feeling neglected, and the partner he felt for showing violent tendencies without inital remorse or resentment.
Say what you want, but some i hear "BLitzo shouldn't have to apologize for anything, STOLAS IS THE MISTAKE" while the people in my life say "Relationships require work. It's easy for one person to coast when someone else is doing all the 'nitty gritty work', but perspectives can vary pov from pov." "Two things can be true at once. A big problem with our society is that one person might try to see both sides, theirs an their partner, while the other only sees their own, themselves. Couples don't need to focus solely on self sastifaction, but their partner, kids, common goals and future".
"Sometimes you have to ask yourself. What is it you're in love with your partner. Is it a fantasy? A wish, a reality? You can't blame people for not living up to a fantasy expectation of themselves. Even ourselves can be overwhelmed with a false version that's flawless, perfect, has infinite resources, never tires, never asks for anything, while the real one has limits, flaws, bumps, and limits. Nobody is superman, even if other people may idealize us to be."
Stolas is literally a fantasy prince and Wish is a movie about a "Wish granting immigrant magician who literally grants wishes. Being demonized for being a white man, asking for compassion or care from the people he's cared about, until he's called evil merely for existing and being a white man. And then snapping when he tries to ask for compassion, and people never care about him, only what they GET out of him. And even when he blatantly holds back, he's still blatantly taken advantage of, and locked away by the people he looked out for over 50 years, because nobody ever looked after him. He started to become obsessed with looking after himself after one of the closest 'sources of advice', his wife, encouraged 'his narccsism', then immediately locked him in a prison over the first whim."
Two things can be true at once. People can have good days, bad days, and desires to change. But there's also a scene in Bojack horseman where between all the comedy there's a scene that goes.
Bojack: After crashing a car at a party, getting drunk, and ruining his own house and backing backwards into a pool.
Bojack: "Im sorry"
Person: "Oh GREAT, here it comes. You keep doing SHITTY things and making excuses for it. Sorry ISN'T ENOUGH, You can't keep doing SHITTY things and feeling sorry for YOURSELF! Like THAT makes it "OKAY!!!!", You NEED to be BETTER!!!!"
Bojack: "I said IM sorry!!?!?!?"
Person: "No, just no. Just stop. Sorry doesn't fix things. Bojack, you ARE all the things that are WRONG with you. It's not the alchohol, or all the drugs, or all the shitty things that happened to you as a kid or your career. It's You. It's YOU. Sorry.. But it's JUST you. YOU NEED TO BE BETTER"
Bojack. 🫠🥲😟🥺
Person: "Sorry, But fuck Bojack, i don't know man. What the fuck am i supposed to say if im trying to look after you man? We're adults. We can't wait for the fairy godparents to fix things. We need to be real. What else can i say, that wouldn't just be another excuse for enabling you?" 😟
I hate the whole stolitz plotline, but I was at least glad apology tour calls out blitzø's stupid Self-victimization 😂
lmao you misspelled Stolas
@@nariaondrugsno, Stolitz is the ship name of Blitz and Stolas. They didnt misspell it
@@CinnamonMacchiato it’s a joke. Stolas is being overly-victimised the whole season. you’ve got the wrong part.
Blitz has a good reason for his outburst. The one that is used self victimization us stolas
Open your eyes people, you are being gaslighted to believe a victim is in the WRONG
Stolas took advantage of a lower class person then acts like a victim about it.
Blitz never acts like a victim when he is far more a victim than Stolas
I don't get why people call stolas "retconned". Outside of the pilot/ep 1, he's been mostly the same.
Or if he is acting different that should be seen as character development.
Otherwise, was blitzø retconned since they added his sad backstory and made him into a salty crybaby?
Not.
Stolas is retconned to a lot of ppl because he hasn’t actually grown.
Because of the circus episode we see that he’s apparently always been the bookish soft guy since the start.
Whereas in the beginning of the series he seemed like a weird horny sex pest.
But again, because of the circus episode it’s shown he’s always been repressed and never had an outlet to be his “true self”.
If the circus episode didn’t exist no one would say retcon.
@VintageToilet good point if the circus episode didn't exist it would be perfect literally
“The laughingstock of the internet”?!That is absolute horseshit. Does helluva boss have issues? Sure. But to call it a laughingstock is such a gross over exaggeration.
I'm sorry but that is what it is. It has been thoroughly mocked in the indie animation community for being completely embarrassing.
Yup called it, another bullshit "review" of him saying absolutely nonesense that isn't true whatsoever and is just utter bullshit :/
Why are you watching it anyway because the world doesn't revolve around stolitz
Blitz being the most Manipulative, Idiotic, Ignorant person ever:
Stolas regretting the transactional relationship and giving Blitz a alternative so he doesn't break demon law:
Meanwhile the fandom: STOLAS WAS THE CONTROLLING HYPOCRITICAL PERSON! HE STARTED THE TRANSACTIONAL RELATIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WAS CONTROLLING!!!!!
Edit 1: stop nuking my notifications
Or may it’s way more nauced than that and they both f’ed up 🤷♀️
Are we just gonna forget the racism and sexual coercion orrrrrr? 🤨 also you're literally doing the same thing you accuse the Fandom of doing, mfer you're almost as hypocritical as Stolas
Uhhh just because Stolas made up for his mistake of sexually coercing Blitz doesn’t mean that he’s excused of it… When the arrangement was created, Stolas was taking advantage of a life or death situation that Blitz was in to get him to agree, as he couldn’t put his full attention into the conversation. We see that Stolas is well aware of what’s happening, and he’s completely unconcerned about Blitz’s safety. This was manipulative of him, so it’s funny that you think that Blitz is the manipulative one…
@hazelgrunts Tbh I don't think he even made up for it so much as he stopped doing it. An apology and changing the behavior would be the first step in making up for it. Instead it's framed more as, look how awesome he is for doing this....when he literally could've done it in the first place or anytime sooner.
@@hazelgrunts tbh yeah kind of my fault there. also has anyone noticed that Blitz was sexually harassing Stolas in Apology Tour by pulling on his robe belt or whatever it's called or am i making that a stretch?