Fifty seven yers ago, I was there as a B-57 weapons loading crew member. Our team arrived at Bien Hoa AB about a month after we had started bombing. Our B-57's moved later to Tan Son Nhut and then to Danang. During my 13 months in-country, I saw almost every kind of military aircraft that operated there during 1965-66. I look back with pride at that period in my life. Lots of interesting memories and life-long friendships formed from that common experience. I consider all military as "brothers" regardless of where or when they served. A salute to you guys (and gals)!
Stuffed those same 57's with explosives 66-67 at their last base , Phan Rang !! As a weapons loader (462) ya got to see a lot of variations in frag loads !! Operation:Rolling Thunder was quite impressive!
My Dad sadly died from Parkinson's after many years of suffering from this awful brain disease. He flew KC-135s and B-52s out of Guam in 1966 and then again in 1968, while we stayed at McCoy. He also flew the T-6, B-25, B-29, C-45, C-47, C-54, C-119, KC-97, L-19 and the H-13 helicopter. The government had a fire at Maxwell AFB which destroyed the records we needed to get the VA to believe he was on the ground in The Nam. He told us many times about his being ordered to go there to pick up the bodies of those even less fortunate. He said those flights were unusual and nobody said a word, while trying to fly the airplane perfectly well. My Mom somehow "lost" his logbooks so the VA eventually did not cover his treatment to the tune of over $400,000. The gatekeeper crook on the phone said "your Dad's airplanes did not fly to Vietnam"...but his commanding officer said different...and that he had asked my Dad to go himself. He said he already had so many calls like mine, and had written letters/etc...to no avail: "We never thought that someday we might need to prove anything to the same people who gave us our orders". My Dad did the right thing and never mentioned it again. We bought him wings for the car but they stayed in the garage. There were people who lived next door for 40 years that did not know he was in the military. He had over 4,000 hours "and twice that many sitting in the back". If a man like this can be so hosed by the same people who sent him to war and to Vietnam...what does that say about them and our controllers. Some of them could not even be bothered to defend the Capitol and it is at least good that Dad did not have to see that.
FUCK THE VA!!! What a piece of bueracratic shit! Sorry your family went through such mess. It's damn shame Veterans got to fight hard to get benefits, and healthcare, but border crossers, and lazy asses get government assistance quite easily! smdh
I was a Forward Air Controller in 1971, with 300 combat missions. I can assure you of two things: that nobody saw the war the same way as anyone else because none of us saw more than our own infinitesimal slice of it. And also that we DID win that war. Not then, but eventually. Today, Vietnam is technically Communist, but in reality is a thriving capitalist success engine. Because we were there. Crisp salute to all my brothers and a slow salute to the brothers we left behind.
Rocky, if you haven't already seen it, there's another video on my UA-cam channel that will bring back some memories "USAF O-1E Bird Dog FAC & F-100s Support Army Attack in Vietnam - 1967" ua-cam.com/video/69nxwf1s7Tw/v-deo.html
Rocky Raab "Vietnam is technically Communist, but in reality is a thriving capitalist success engine." Which it would be if you'd never wasted a single life there.
Love the Phantom, my fav fighter. While living in Tustin CA during high school, 2 neighbors were F4 pilots - Waldvogel & Norton. Both survived their Nam tours.
I was a kid in a small East African country called Swaziland during the Vietnam war and it played a big part in my life. Some of my teachers were Peace Corps and it was through them that I took a keen interest in the war the cold war and life in general .
Your story is very interesting. I too had teachers in my youth that influenced my way of thinking. I grew up watching the Vietnam War unfold on our family TV set. I joined the US army in 1976, one year after the fall of Saigon.
Also at Phan Rang ,66-67, stuffing B-57's with explosives in the 8th/13th Tac Bomb Sq ....Operation:Rolling Thunder . Was in the building with your F-100 Gun Shop for 6 months being the ''one man gun shop'' for our M-39 20mm guns and the 50 cal peashooter ! Busy times !!
ZENOS,you go above and beyond the outer atmosphere of Pluto to bring us the very best of the U.S.Airforce operating in the Vietnam war.Thank you,from the people of Earth.😮
Best Upload US Air Force History At Vietnam Country ( 1967 ) After WW II Agration In All ASIA Area ( 1942 ) , - God Bless All, - Thanks , ..... Cheerio.*****.
Flight Engineer 1st Aviation Batl. 1st Inf Devision. 213 th ASAH. Chinooks... whew. August 1968. Aircraft shot down. Exiting the aircraft a F 4 dropped aboard directly over our head.... saved my life and have been grateful.
I enjoyed the video, so thanks for that. But, it made me sad, too. All the loss and waste of it. I was a young soldier back then and idealistic. I read about how Westmoreland often lied about the conduct of the war and that made me totally sick at heart. Our politicians are people lacking in character and do not deserve the offices they hold and held. When the military lies to the government and the government lies to the people, we ALL get what we deserve. The time is coming when the People of America will have to take back the country from the big liars in office.
Thanks you for the services in my country along the allies to help out our people against vc. They took over the country and pushing the communist system since the fall of Saigon and we have no freedom at all unless USA willingly to return take away the vc the Chinese off my country. Thanks very much Sir
Late but !!! I flew in SEA from 67 to 68 then again from late 68 thru 70. The main problem was Washington said 'Go there and fight a war but be careful not to hurt anyone !!!!!!!!' If we had turned the B52s lose on Hanoi and mined the harbors it would have been over in 6 months.
Well, they killed a million vietnamese and dropped more firepower on vietnam then every nation used in the 2nd Worldware combined. How can that called "be careful not to hurt anyone"? It was mass murder all the way. "If we had turned the B52s lose on Hanoi and mined the harbors" Then you would have experienced the same thing the french experienced in there vietnam-war. The vietnamese would have retreated into the wilderness. Or (the worst result) it would have trigged china into joining the war like in korea.
Thanks for your comment. Although it must be fun to fly a plane (and drop bombs) and it must give many people a sense of purpose and identity which of course is important, I'm glad I didn't serve. I'm also glad Washington told you guys to be careful, even though you/we left a terrible scar on the land and people of Vietnam. I do not think it would have been over in six months, and I do not know what 'it' really means when you say that. There were, and still are, consequences for this war now. Even radical islam might take some courage from, not the US 'defeat' in Vietnam, but the awesome power and devastation it demonstrated. Do I sound like an apologetic liberal who takes my freedom for granted? I'm scared of the current situation like most of us.
TommyTwobats - People like you are what is wrong with our country! You're glad you didn't serve... really? I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren you might see go to a war that will only benefit the banksters and weapons manufacturer's, who are the banksters. "It" was the "conflict" called Vietnam. Do some fucking research... the men and women who did serve our country in Vietnam should be commended for their service! You act like they were complicit and in cahoots with the the higher ups who ultimately answer to the banksters... they were not! They were all compartmentalized and led to believe they were fighting communism! Hindsight 20/20... don't be so stupid it'll bite you too!
@@bettyclares I am glad I didn't serve, and I hope I never, ever have to don a uniform, salute, and shoot a gun into the face of another guy conscripted, driven or compelled to do the same to me. However, I think it would be enormously exciting to fly a plane, drop bombs, shoot other planes and feel the camaraderie that one feels when they feel a sense of belonging to a team facing a challenging situation, where sacrifice and risk are involved. i am also enormously impressed by the technological artifacts of war hardware - the cool designs of the planes like the F4, or the solid and dependable legacy of the C47s or Douglas Skyraiders.
"A harmless herbicide" Riiiiiight! "get to keep your doctor" Riiiiiight! Times change but the government stays the same. After all, "What difference does it make...."
Let's be fair. The US Airforce sprayed 75 million liters of herbicides down on Vietnam and only 45 million liters were Agent Orange. Therefore, we must accept only 400,000 Vietnamese (claimed) have died or were maimed by the diseases attributed to it. Hence, the context for "harmless" is to be understood.
Thank You Zeno. I, for not a moment, thought you had done the unusable crossouts. I still, and truly do believe , you did an awesome job with the presentation. Never will I consider that anyone knows all there is to know about any given subject. This includes me as one of the great unwashed. My goal is to be in an ongoing learning stage and simply share, on occasion, those things I am aware of. I appreciate your response.
Vietnam sure was a terrible steep learning curve for The U.S. and caused a hell of a lot of changes in equipment, tactics and new craft designs. I still believe the conflict was not a total lost and worth the effort. All who fought in it deserve our greatest respect and honor.
unless the U.S. was willing fight another full decade, lay waste to most of Southeast Asia, and to kill millions more, that war wasn’t winnable. The resolve and fortitude of the North superseded all our money, logistics, technology, communications, personnel, tactics & firepower. Nothing against our guys.
@@unassistedsuicide2243 I wouldn't call it a win for either side. We left because President Nixon knew it couldn't be won with Congress holding the military back. Oh, and Vietnam and China could just say Thank You for the never ending financial support from the USA after the withdrawal.
Unfortunately, Vietnam was the second "war" that the US fought that ended badly for us due to political interference by those who did not have any idea of how to wage war. The first was Korea, which ended in a stalemate that continues to this day, and then Vietnam which the US essentially lost. War should be avoided whenever possible, but when war is inevitable it should be left to the military professionals to wage and win.
Obviously, awesome technological and military superiority is shown. The Bien Hoa raid in 1964 coincided with the National Security Advisor, McGeorge Bundy, arriving in Vietnam. Something like 25 out of 29 B-57 bombers were destroyed. Bien Hoa was only 16 miles from Saigon. Ton Son Nhut still exists (currently re-built as the International Airport) and is only 15 minutes from the Center of Ho Chi Minh City when traffic is flowing. It became the headquarters for Westmoreland. All of the Vietnam War-era buildings have since been removed except two hangers. This film amply documents the other air operations in place beyond the MACV headquarters of Westmoreland. What the film omits is how the Revolutionary Forces defeated the technological strength of the US Air Force. For example, American triangulation on the enemy radio emissions of transmitters were quickly relayed to US bombers. As the Vietnamese soon realized how this technology was operating, they became more mobile and occasionally decoyed villages for Americans to bomb providing propaganda reports detailing the deaths of civilians. The American strategy used forward ground patrols to be inserted to reveal the operating positions of Vietnamese forces; then American fighters were called in to attack and pound the positions of the enemy. The Vietnamese learned to attack ground forces more fiercely, then the attack helicopters which arrived to join the attack and or to remove the wounded. Or the Vietnamese would quickly withdraw. This strategy turned the American patrols into decoys resulting in heavy loss of life, frequent downing of helicopters, and demoralization of Army and Marine personnel on patrols. This was an enormously complicated war zone, but the viewer of the video has to read between the lines of this war-era film that was attempting to boost the American attitudes toward the war. The full complications of the fighting are developed in part, but not in full.
"Black Friday"- Strike aircraft losses were common, but on December 2, 1966 the U.S. Air Force lost five aircraft and the Navy lost three aircraft to surface to air missiles or anti-aircraft gun fire. Air Force losses included three F-4Cs, one RF-4C, and an F-105. The Navy lost one F-4B and two Douglas A-4C Skyhawks.
Remind me, what exactly were we doing there? And how have things been for Vietnam since we left? Big hearted people; they bear no grudge towards us Americans.
My brother in law , a Vietnamese helicopter pilot, trained in Georgia. He ended in labor camp for 7 years. He settled in San Diego and still living there.
loading orange Falcon missile onto F-102 internal missile bay for interceptions that never happened. Some F-102s were jumped by MiGs, and some tried using IR missiles against trucks on Ho Chih Minh trail.
Good documentary written from the standpoint of the US at the time. Watching the scenes of wreckage of the Vietcong attacks at the various American airbases and in Sàigòn, we know from hindsight the South Vietnamese at that time (1964) were proving unable to eliminate, much less control, the Vietcong. When Johnson authorized landing combat forces in Vietnam and they pushed out from the major airbases far enough to interdict Vietcong attacks, the second Indochina War, the American one, began.
If *commie* Johnson wasn't trying to micro-manage the war we could have won in 6 months. But he was taking orders from the *industrial military complex* ie: big corporations.
Having lived through the Vietnam War and watching history unfold in '73 Yom Kippur War and the 'aftermath' in the Middle East, and then 9-1-1 and all the "Little Wars" like Panama invasion, Falkland Island (farcical), etc. etc... I watch old propaganda films like this and feel almost nostalgic. I've worked for DoD at an Aerospace Plant in California for over 34 years so I was a "Cold Warrior" for first 12 years of my career until Soviet Union passed away. Now, we needed an Enemy real bad to keep the machine running so we went to our ancient and forever enemy of Christianity, the Muslims of the Middle East! Perfect for our War Machine because they aren't going away and we can't eradicate them, even if we used Nukes. I used to take this sh*t serious, but now, with age I just smile and watch history repeat itself. We are now leaving Iraq (Peace with Honor??) and Mosul, Tikrit and Fallujah fall back into the Insurgent's hands without nary a shot. Fallujah, like Hue City was a hard fought battle for the USMC and then handed back (1968-75) and Fallujah was an identical debacle for the Marines and then handed back (2004-2014). This is hilarious if it didn't get people hurt. All I know for sure is that I'm "Joe Nobody" and I've made over $200K since we decided to 'get even' for the WTC. My Defense Stocks have tripled in value, 2006-2014 and that was after riding out the horrid recession of 2008. Now all I have to do is make sure none of my grandsons join the elite boys club called the US Army. They can "Be all that they can Be" without getting yelled at by a DI AND make double the money easily if they go to University instead of the Recruiter's Office...
My Grand Dad (26 yrs MSGT.) told me to go USAF in the late '70's but we had no Marines in the family ... yet :). You all definitely had better food *AND* women lol.
Many flew out of Thailand, where the daily temperatures are in the 90's with at least 60% humidity. All of Southeast Asia has similar weather, must have been quite miserable in their flight suits.
Non-toxic weed killer?! Oh brother! You mean non-toxic as in "It will only destroy your DNA and cause you a lifetime of misery?" Oh, I see. THAT kind of non-toxic. I get it.
Caught that little statement too. It never ceased to amaze me how the more hazardous something is to your health, the more the govt poo-poos it. Like ObamaCare for example.
What a shame a powerful country destroying a peasants nation when the US gonna come to terms with so much blood in their hands? All over the world, justifying mass murder to feed MIC ( military Industrial Complex) it makes Hitler blush, cowards anyway..
Funny story I was an airplane nut from the age of 8, but in the 70s WW2 was still a very big deal, lots of TV shows and even kids toys had a WW2 theme. And in WW2 people also called the German's, Hun's, but they also referred to the F 100 as the Hun, in my youth I could not make the German connection with the F100 super saber and the name Hun, I felt embarrassed when I learned it was just the first part of One HUNdred.
Funny how the military always has had those nick names. Runway Patch ( pancakes) SAC NASTY ( inflight lunch) 40 Mission crush ( Shape of the class A hat) My personal favorite was the Roach Coach (food truck) And Mom's Place(Dining Hall) I just realized all the food reference here.😂 I did enjoy my time.
Somewhere I read that in Vietnam America dropped 2.4 times the amount of bombs dropped on Nazi Germany but that the destruction produced, put together all these bombs explosion by explosion, "Alone" would cover the twentieth part of the State of New York.
I flew 237 refueling missions over 4 years and many TDYs as a KC-135 captain from U-Tapao Air Base in Thailand (’68 - ’70. PCS at Carswell AFB, Fort Worth). I estimate I refueled way over 1,300 fighters. It was very sad when we refueled 5 birds (F-4s or F-105s) going up North and only 3 on their return to their base in Thailand. (Refueling famous pilot Col. Robin Olds many times). What a waste of some very brave men. And we’re going to do it again in Iraq via misguided foreign policy decisions. Politicians never listen to their military leaders. Thank you, Mr. Obama, our amateur leader.
Michael Hickey Thanks for your Service. I was Stationed at NAS Fort Worth, JRB which was Carswell AFB. I even lived in the old Officer housing next to the old golf course. My Step Mom worked at the Air Force Plant #4 across the flight line as a WWII Rosie the Riveter working on the B-24 and the early B-36. I have been to U-Tapao a few times as well in the 2000s. Not quite the place that it was back then. You are absolutely correct about this Obozo the Clown and his atrocious Yes Men in the Pentagon. You fight to win the war, not their "hearts and minds".
Mike, and now the US has an "effing" idiot in the White House. I'd take Obama any day of the week over the dumb-ass Don, masquerading as chief executive. You're living in a parallel universe.
Isn't it odd that you were hungry to defend "democracy" all around the world, but don't like it domestically, whenever someone gets elected you don't like ? I find that rather ironic.
I appreciate your comment & I see that you speak from the heart. I m a Viet vet & I have my private thoughts about war. War in Iraq??? We have countless Iraquis right here in NYC. Does that ans the issue??? I hope that it does.
The C-130 at the 9:12 mark is NOT the ABCCC aircraft. I was a comm operator on ABCCC and the interior shots were correct but our aircraft (EC-130E's) were painted camouflage.
At Phan Rang , I was told by the old-timer weapons loaders that Ben Hoa was a bomb with a 24-hour fuse screwed into it ''cooked off'' in the heat ! I was stuffing those same B-57's with 20mm and .50cal ammo 66-67!
Question: at 14:40 one of the Crewman on the C-47 is cranking a handle on the Mini Gun? I know they were electric so what's the Handle for? Thanks in advance
for as small as it was" it was a pretty big place' Roman Plows; The VC didn't always have Carte Blanche on our end of it" when I left were were winning" I'm now dealing with the effects of that crap from the spraying: Col. Glenn Williams at one time was in Charge of all Medavac: he & others flew in support those spraying that carp over the trees; Some thing just under ten years back he has passed away do to that carp, cancer: it was really bad; My self & a few others stayed with him pretty much the whole time: he's in Arlington now: he was good man"
Chính phủ mỹ không nói đến tổn thất kinh khủng họ phải chịu từ B52 F4 ...trực thăng không quân vn đã đánh cho không quân mỹ những trận kinh hoàng rất nhiều B52 đã rơi trên bầu trời Hà Nội Hải Phòng Thanh Hóa .
@@zacharycharles1450 The official government line was that it was saft. Many veterans including my brother found it to be deadly. The government denied va benefits for years to it's victims.
Now we know, but so much bullshit propaganda in this propaganda film. The VC and NVA were a LOT smarter than this film would have you believe. And the topper? At around 13:15, Agent Orange is being sprayed on forests and described as a "non-toxic weed killer". Aside from deforestation, as we now know, Agent Orange killed and is probably still killing Vietnam veterans. An interesting film that should make your blood boil at the flagrant lies it contains.
The biggest problem was boss’s were in the states and generals were void at mostly. Politicians ran the war. That why we lost the main war but won the battles.😊
my brother in law ,an aussie grunt still suffers from a "rash" on his back ,both his daughters suffer from genetic damage caused by these toxins ,one effect is their tits wont stop growing ,one has had to suffer 3 breast reductions .
musashiman bushi Agent Orange. Just had a friend's dad pass away who suffered rashes on his ears, head, and back, as well as dementia from the stuff. I also see Vietnam Veterans at the VA hospital who suffer the after effects of the herbicide to this very day. Not a pleasant site.
Fifty seven yers ago, I was there as a B-57 weapons loading crew member. Our team arrived at Bien Hoa AB about a month after we had started bombing. Our B-57's moved later to Tan Son Nhut and then to Danang. During my 13 months in-country, I saw almost every kind of military aircraft that operated there during 1965-66. I look back with pride at that period in my life. Lots of interesting memories and life-long friendships formed from that common experience. I consider all military as "brothers" regardless of where or when they served. A salute to you guys (and gals)!
Stuffed those same 57's with explosives 66-67 at their last base , Phan Rang !! As a weapons loader (462) ya got to see a lot of variations in frag loads !! Operation:Rolling Thunder was quite impressive!
Me too..
Thanks for your service 🙏
Thank you ALL for your service, true hero’s for the younger generations like myself.
How many pilots died?
My Dad sadly died from Parkinson's after many years of suffering from this awful brain disease. He flew KC-135s and B-52s out of Guam in 1966 and then again in 1968, while we stayed at McCoy. He also flew the T-6, B-25, B-29, C-45, C-47, C-54, C-119, KC-97, L-19 and the H-13 helicopter. The government had a fire at Maxwell AFB which destroyed the records we needed to get the VA to believe he was on the ground in The Nam. He told us many times about his being ordered to go there to pick up the bodies of those even less fortunate. He said those flights were unusual and nobody said a word, while trying to fly the airplane perfectly well. My Mom somehow "lost" his logbooks so the VA eventually did not cover his treatment to the tune of over $400,000. The gatekeeper crook on the phone said "your Dad's airplanes did not fly to Vietnam"...but his commanding officer said different...and that he had asked my Dad to go himself. He said he already had so many calls like mine, and had written letters/etc...to no avail: "We never thought that someday we might need to prove anything to the same people who gave us our orders".
My Dad did the right thing and never mentioned it again. We bought him wings for the car but they stayed in the garage. There were people who lived next door for 40 years that did not know he was in the military. He had over 4,000 hours "and twice that many sitting in the back". If a man like this can be so hosed by the same people who sent him to war and to Vietnam...what does that say about them and our controllers. Some of them could not even be bothered to defend the Capitol and it is at least good that Dad did not have to see that.
FUCK THE VA!!! What a piece of bueracratic shit! Sorry your family went through such mess. It's damn shame Veterans got to fight hard to get benefits, and healthcare, but border crossers, and lazy asses get government assistance quite easily! smdh
I was a Forward Air Controller in 1971, with 300 combat missions. I can assure you of two things: that nobody saw the war the same way as anyone else because none of us saw more than our own infinitesimal slice of it. And also that we DID win that war. Not then, but eventually. Today, Vietnam is technically Communist, but in reality is a thriving capitalist success engine. Because we were there. Crisp salute to all my brothers and a slow salute to the brothers we left behind.
Rocky, if you haven't already seen it, there's another video on my UA-cam channel that will bring back some memories "USAF O-1E Bird Dog FAC & F-100s Support Army Attack in Vietnam - 1967" ua-cam.com/video/69nxwf1s7Tw/v-deo.html
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Thank you, good sir. I flew the O-2A and worked with F-100s on several strikes.
Rocky Raab "Vietnam is technically Communist, but in reality is a thriving capitalist success engine."
Which it would be if you'd never wasted a single life there.
Ooh kill em wit da pacifist stance
Well put Rocky and I believe you're exactly right.
Love the Phantom, my fav fighter. While living in Tustin CA during high school, 2 neighbors were F4 pilots - Waldvogel & Norton. Both survived their Nam tours.
Thanks for putting this up, it's awesome to see the old jets, love the F-100's first wild weasel planes!
I was a kid in a small East African country called Swaziland during the Vietnam war and it played a big part in my life. Some of my teachers were Peace Corps and it was through them that I took a keen interest in the war the cold war and life in general .
Your story is very interesting. I too had teachers in my youth that influenced my way of thinking. I grew up watching the Vietnam War unfold on our family TV set. I joined the US army in 1976, one year after the fall of Saigon.
I always wanted to fly the. F100 Sabre but managed a F3 EE lightning for a few years
Phan Rang AB was my home or almost two years working as a Weapons Load Crew Supervisor on F-100s.
I'm sure you've read the wonderful book written about the "Hun" and the men who flew and serviced that terrific aircraft. Thanks, amigo!
I was TDY to Phan Rang for Tet of 69 worked in the Bomb Dump on the BLU-27 Breakout Crew
Also at Phan Rang ,66-67, stuffing B-57's with explosives in the 8th/13th Tac Bomb Sq ....Operation:Rolling Thunder . Was in the building with your F-100 Gun Shop for 6 months being the ''one man gun shop'' for our M-39 20mm guns and the 50 cal peashooter ! Busy times !!
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The Super Sabre! Wow..... That was one of my favorite jet fighters! God bless you for your service!
ZENOS,you go above and beyond the outer atmosphere of Pluto to bring us the very best of the U.S.Airforce operating in the Vietnam war.Thank you,from the people of Earth.😮
Best Upload US Air Force History At Vietnam Country ( 1967 ) After WW II Agration In All ASIA Area ( 1942 ) , - God Bless All, - Thanks , ..... Cheerio.*****.
Flight Engineer 1st Aviation Batl. 1st Inf Devision. 213 th ASAH. Chinooks... whew. August 1968. Aircraft shot down. Exiting the aircraft a F 4 dropped aboard directly over our head.... saved my life and have been grateful.
Sorry dropped napalm.
I enjoyed the video, so thanks for that. But, it made me sad, too. All the loss and waste of it. I was a young soldier back then and idealistic. I read about how Westmoreland often lied about the conduct of the war and that made me totally sick at heart. Our politicians are people lacking in character and do not deserve the offices they hold and held. When the military lies to the government and the government lies to the people, we ALL get what we deserve. The time is coming when the People of America will have to take back the country from the big liars in office.
Thank you for your service and sacrifice. The Air Force was a powerful force to reckon with over the sky of Vietnam
Yep, must be sooo courageous dropping napalm on children.
lot of great folks fought,died, served . Shameful they did not have more folks watching their back.
Thanks you so much for the clip so interesting to me the south Vietnamese people
Thanks you for the services in my country along the allies to help out our people against vc. They took over the country and pushing the communist system since the fall of Saigon and we have no freedom at all unless USA willingly to return take away the vc the Chinese off my country. Thanks very much Sir
Late but !!! I flew in SEA from 67 to 68 then again from late 68 thru 70. The main problem was Washington said 'Go there and fight a war but be careful not to hurt anyone !!!!!!!!' If we had turned the B52s lose on Hanoi and mined the harbors it would have been over in 6 months.
Well, they killed a million vietnamese and dropped more firepower on vietnam then every nation used in the 2nd Worldware combined. How can that called "be careful not to hurt anyone"? It was mass murder all the way.
"If we had turned the B52s lose on Hanoi and mined the harbors"
Then you would have experienced the same thing the french experienced in there vietnam-war. The vietnamese would have retreated into the wilderness. Or (the worst result) it would have trigged china into joining the war like in korea.
Thanks for your comment. Although it must be fun to fly a plane (and drop bombs) and it must give many people a sense of purpose and identity which of course is important, I'm glad I didn't serve. I'm also glad Washington told you guys to be careful, even though you/we left a terrible scar on the land and people of Vietnam. I do not think it would have been over in six months, and I do not know what 'it' really means when you say that. There were, and still are, consequences for this war now. Even radical islam might take some courage from, not the US 'defeat' in Vietnam, but the awesome power and devastation it demonstrated. Do I sound like an apologetic liberal who takes my freedom for granted? I'm scared of the current situation like most of us.
TommyTwobats - People like you are what is wrong with our country! You're glad you didn't serve... really? I hope you don't have any children or grandchildren you might see go to a war that will only benefit the banksters and weapons manufacturer's, who are the banksters.
"It" was the "conflict" called Vietnam. Do some fucking research... the men and women who did serve our country in Vietnam should be commended for their service! You act like they were complicit and in cahoots with the the higher ups who ultimately answer to the banksters... they were not! They were all compartmentalized and led to believe they were fighting communism! Hindsight 20/20... don't be so stupid it'll bite you too!
@@bettyclares I am glad I didn't serve, and I hope I never, ever have to don a uniform, salute, and shoot a gun into the face of another guy conscripted, driven or compelled to do the same to me. However, I think it would be enormously exciting to fly a plane, drop bombs, shoot other planes and feel the camaraderie that one feels when they feel a sense of belonging to a team facing a challenging situation, where sacrifice and risk are involved. i am also enormously impressed by the technological artifacts of war hardware - the cool designs of the planes like the F4, or the solid and dependable legacy of the C47s or Douglas Skyraiders.
Amen brother !
"A harmless herbicide"
Riiiiiight!
"get to keep your doctor"
Riiiiiight!
Times change but the government stays the same.
After all,
"What difference does it make...."
Let's be fair. The US Airforce sprayed 75 million liters of herbicides down on Vietnam and only 45 million liters were Agent Orange. Therefore, we must accept only 400,000 Vietnamese (claimed) have died or were maimed by the diseases attributed to it. Hence, the context for "harmless" is to be understood.
Herbicide? It was a POISON! Dioxin, This(herbicide) was banned in U.S. 1976.
@Jamie Kian.......get outta here slime arce
Thank You Zeno. I, for not a moment, thought you had done the unusable crossouts. I still, and truly do believe , you did an awesome job with the presentation. Never will I consider that anyone knows all there is to know about any given subject. This includes me as one of the great unwashed. My goal is to be in an ongoing learning stage and simply share, on occasion, those things I am aware of. I appreciate your response.
So sad, to say early on in this film. A war ran by Washington from Washington and not the men in Theater.
Vietnam sure was a terrible steep learning curve for The U.S. and caused a hell of a lot of changes in equipment, tactics and new craft designs. I still believe the conflict was not a total lost and worth the effort. All who fought in it deserve our greatest respect and honor.
Yup got to feed the war machine.
unless the U.S. was willing fight another full decade, lay waste to most of Southeast Asia, and to kill millions more, that war wasn’t winnable. The resolve and fortitude of the North superseded all our money, logistics, technology, communications, personnel, tactics & firepower. Nothing against our guys.
Anything that keeps the communists in check is a good thing!
@@jaminova_1969 Well they managed to win in Vietnam anyway in spite of the best war capitalism hadbtonoffer, so how’d THAT work for ya
@@unassistedsuicide2243 I wouldn't call it a win for either side. We left because President Nixon knew it couldn't be won with Congress holding the military back. Oh, and Vietnam and China could just say Thank You for the never ending financial support from the USA after the withdrawal.
good restoration work.
+nealthedeal1 Thanks! I've been working on several more Vietnam air war films that were in really bad shape I that I hope to have out soon. Zeno
Saw the dragon ship workout many times around DaNang... it's a killer..
Puff was our perimeter guard... put on a great show when needed.
Unfortunately, Vietnam was the second "war" that the US fought that ended badly for us due to political interference by those who did not have any idea of how to wage war. The first was Korea, which ended in a stalemate that continues to this day, and then Vietnam which the US essentially lost. War should be avoided whenever possible, but when war is inevitable it should be left to the military professionals to wage and win.
USA has a minimal success rate in international false flag wars, over the past half centruy +
Absolutely! If you are going to fight, fight to win!
Obviously, awesome technological and military superiority is shown. The Bien Hoa raid in 1964 coincided with the National Security Advisor, McGeorge Bundy, arriving in Vietnam. Something like 25 out of 29 B-57 bombers were destroyed. Bien Hoa was only 16 miles from Saigon. Ton Son Nhut still exists (currently re-built as the International Airport) and is only 15 minutes from the Center of Ho Chi Minh City when traffic is flowing. It became the headquarters for Westmoreland. All of the Vietnam War-era buildings have since been removed except two hangers. This film amply documents the other air operations in place beyond the MACV headquarters of Westmoreland. What the film omits is how the Revolutionary Forces defeated the technological strength of the US Air Force. For example, American triangulation on the enemy radio emissions of transmitters were quickly relayed to US bombers. As the Vietnamese soon realized how this technology was operating, they became more mobile and occasionally decoyed villages for Americans to bomb providing propaganda reports detailing the deaths of civilians. The American strategy used forward ground patrols to be inserted to reveal the operating positions of Vietnamese forces; then American fighters were called in to attack and pound the positions of the enemy. The Vietnamese learned to attack ground forces more fiercely, then the attack helicopters which arrived to join the attack and or to remove the wounded. Or the Vietnamese would quickly withdraw. This strategy turned the American patrols into decoys resulting in heavy loss of life, frequent downing of helicopters, and demoralization of Army and Marine personnel on patrols. This was an enormously complicated war zone, but the viewer of the video has to read between the lines of this war-era film that was attempting to boost the American attitudes toward the war. The full complications of the fighting are developed in part, but not in full.
Respect to bravely Vietnam people.
The S.Vietnam people thank you Us Air force in Vietnam War.
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Great video I love videos like this this history is fantastic
It reminds me of commanders call each month usually at the base theater. USAF Vietnam vet
"Black Friday"- Strike aircraft losses were common, but on December 2, 1966 the U.S. Air Force lost five aircraft and the Navy lost three aircraft to surface to air missiles or anti-aircraft gun fire. Air Force losses included three F-4Cs, one RF-4C, and an F-105. The Navy lost one F-4B and two Douglas A-4C Skyhawks.
Buntalan Lucu Such is the lethality of war.
A Horrid Century.
Lest We Forget.
Another great post Zeno,thanks.
Great video on the early years of the Viet-Nam War. Historic Documentary
Remind me, what exactly were we doing there? And how have things been for Vietnam since we left? Big hearted people; they bear no grudge towards us Americans.
Wow, we built all these facilities and never knew there were underground Vietcong bases under us the whole time. It’s really quite amazing.
my dad was in the usmc. it was him who played the drum roll at the start of this production. 0:00
Thanx for the video....pilots back then had huge brass ones...flying them hot rods...
In the early 1970's there was this soldier who just hiked around town. He is still here today, but he bikes.
Got to see a couple of old familiar places . Thanks Zeno
My brother in law , a Vietnamese helicopter pilot, trained in Georgia. He ended in labor camp for 7 years. He settled in San Diego and still living there.
Good ol' "non-toxic" agent orange.....😑
I was a F-100 crew chief at Tuy Hoa 1969.
Can you please contact me? I have a picture of my grandfather infront of an airplane and I need to know if you have any information of the type.
Bạn là kẻ gieo cái chết cho nhân dân Việt Nam. Các bạn sẽ phải trả giá đắt.
Without the many levels of military hierarchy and all of the state of the art combat aircraft the war could have been lost.
the war was lost......
loading orange Falcon missile onto F-102 internal missile bay for interceptions that never happened. Some F-102s were jumped by MiGs, and some tried using IR missiles against trucks on Ho Chih Minh trail.
It’s probably a good thing those interceptions were extremely rare given the performance of the AIM-4 Falcon
Rarely has the truth of death been so honestly displayed.
Good documentary written from the standpoint of the US at the time.
Watching the scenes of wreckage of the Vietcong attacks at the various American airbases and in Sàigòn, we know from hindsight the South Vietnamese at that time (1964) were proving unable to eliminate, much less control, the Vietcong.
When Johnson authorized landing combat forces in Vietnam and they pushed out from the major airbases far enough to interdict Vietcong attacks, the second Indochina War, the American one, began.
Agent Orange: "A non-toxic type of weed killer". Oh the irony.
All that air power could not prevent the loss of face.
If *commie* Johnson wasn't trying to micro-manage the war we could have won in 6 months. But he was taking orders from the *industrial military complex*
ie: big corporations.
Fantastic post.........THANKS
This so awesome and interesting
Salute and respect from NZ 👍🇳🇿
My grandfather was an f100 super Sabre pilot
"And the times, they are a changing"
Moral of the story is USA lost the war miserably.
The miserable gutless politicians lost the war. The Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines that served in Vietnam didn’t lose anything.
Having lived through the Vietnam War and watching history unfold in '73 Yom Kippur War and the 'aftermath' in the Middle East, and then 9-1-1 and all the "Little Wars" like Panama invasion, Falkland Island (farcical), etc. etc... I watch old propaganda films like this and feel almost nostalgic. I've worked for DoD at an Aerospace Plant in California for over 34 years so I was a "Cold Warrior" for first 12 years of my career until Soviet Union passed away. Now, we needed an Enemy real bad to keep the machine running so we went to our ancient and forever enemy of Christianity, the Muslims of the Middle East! Perfect for our War Machine because they aren't going away and we can't eradicate them, even if we used Nukes. I used to take this sh*t serious, but now, with age I just smile and watch history repeat itself. We are now leaving Iraq (Peace with Honor??) and Mosul, Tikrit and Fallujah fall back into the Insurgent's hands without nary a shot. Fallujah, like Hue City was a hard fought battle for the USMC and then handed back (1968-75) and Fallujah was an identical debacle for the Marines and then handed back (2004-2014). This is hilarious if it didn't get people hurt.
All I know for sure is that I'm "Joe Nobody" and I've made over $200K since we decided to 'get even' for the WTC. My Defense Stocks have tripled in value, 2006-2014 and that was after riding out the horrid recession of 2008. Now all I have to do is make sure none of my grandsons join the elite boys club called the US Army. They can "Be all that they can Be" without getting yelled at by a DI AND make double the money easily if they go to University instead of the Recruiter's Office...
You re running your mouth & you need a zipper in your face.
America no matter what, allways in my Heart and#1
Whatever your country, just pray that the Americans don't decide to "defend" or "Bring Freedom" to it.
My Grand Dad (26 yrs MSGT.) told me to go USAF in the late '70's but we had no Marines in the family ... yet :). You all definitely had better food *AND* women lol.
I guess should have read more of the comments more people caught the agent orange being non-toxic than I thought
Many flew out of Thailand, where the daily temperatures are in the 90's with at least 60% humidity. All of Southeast Asia has similar weather, must have been quite miserable in their flight suits.
The humidity was the same as the heat! Been there, done that!
Non-toxic weed killer?! Oh brother! You mean non-toxic as in "It will only destroy your DNA and cause you a lifetime of misery?" Oh, I see. THAT kind of non-toxic. I get it.
Caught that little statement too. It never ceased to amaze me how the more hazardous something is to your health, the more the govt poo-poos it. Like ObamaCare for example.
LuvBorderCollies I have PTSD and Toxic Shock Syndrome form Obozocare.
What a shame a powerful country destroying a peasants nation when the US gonna come to terms with so much blood in their hands? All over the world, justifying mass murder to feed MIC ( military Industrial Complex) it makes Hitler blush, cowards anyway..
Would president *Commie* Johnson lie to us????
Funny story I was an airplane nut from the age of 8, but in the 70s WW2 was still a very big deal, lots of TV shows and even kids toys had a WW2 theme. And in WW2 people also called the German's, Hun's, but they also referred to the F 100 as the Hun, in my youth I could not make the German connection with the F100 super saber and the name Hun, I felt embarrassed when I learned it was just the first part of One HUNdred.
John doe
Now you gone gone and made me smile. Thanks Blue Sky.
Funny how the military always has had those nick names. Runway Patch ( pancakes) SAC NASTY ( inflight lunch) 40 Mission crush ( Shape of the class A hat) My personal favorite was the Roach Coach (food truck) And Mom's Place(Dining Hall) I just realized all the food reference here.😂 I did enjoy my time.
"...a 'non-toxic' weed killer." Agent Orange was anything but 'non-toxic'. Ironic that they referred to the defoliants as such.
Excellent
Thanks
Thua trận nhục nhã.
thank you zenos....
nice video!
Like how the commentary back in the day sounded like cheering lol
Somewhere I read that in Vietnam America dropped 2.4 times the amount of bombs dropped on Nazi Germany but that the destruction produced, put together all these bombs explosion by explosion, "Alone" would cover the twentieth part of the State of New York.
I flew 237 refueling missions over 4 years and many TDYs as a KC-135 captain from U-Tapao Air Base in Thailand (’68 - ’70. PCS at Carswell AFB, Fort Worth). I estimate I refueled way over 1,300 fighters. It was very sad when we refueled 5 birds (F-4s or F-105s) going up North and only 3 on their return to their base in Thailand. (Refueling famous pilot Col. Robin Olds many times). What a waste of some very brave men. And we’re going to do it again in Iraq via misguided foreign policy decisions. Politicians never listen to their military leaders. Thank you, Mr. Obama, our amateur leader.
Michael Hickey Thanks for your Service. I was Stationed at NAS Fort Worth, JRB which was Carswell AFB. I even lived in the old Officer housing next to the old golf course. My Step Mom worked at the Air Force Plant #4 across the flight line as a WWII Rosie the Riveter working on the B-24 and the early B-36. I have been to U-Tapao a few times as well in the 2000s. Not quite the place that it was back then.
You are absolutely correct about this Obozo the Clown and his atrocious Yes Men in the Pentagon. You fight to win the war, not their "hearts and minds".
One president begins a war and the newcomer has hell to pay to end it. George H.W. Bush bombed Iraq. President Obama inherited the problem.
Mike, and now the US has an "effing" idiot in the White House. I'd take Obama any day of the week over the dumb-ass Don, masquerading as chief executive. You're living in a parallel universe.
Isn't it odd that you were hungry to defend "democracy" all around the world, but don't like it domestically, whenever someone gets elected you don't like ? I find that rather ironic.
I appreciate your comment & I see that you speak from the heart. I m a Viet vet & I have my private thoughts about war. War in Iraq??? We have countless Iraquis right here in NYC. Does that ans the issue??? I hope that it does.
With all the technology and abilities.. finally lost in a very humiliating way... chased until saigon.. ran away to save themselves
Well. We know how this expenditure of blood and treasure ended up.
The C-130 at the 9:12 mark is NOT the ABCCC aircraft. I was a comm operator on ABCCC and the interior shots were correct but our aircraft (EC-130E's) were painted camouflage.
Ben Hoa wasn't attacked, all those B-57's were destroyed or damaged because of sloppy ordinance handling. Piling bombs haphazardly, and one went off.
At Phan Rang , I was told by the old-timer weapons loaders that Ben Hoa was a bomb with a 24-hour fuse screwed into it ''cooked off'' in the heat ! I was stuffing those same B-57's with 20mm and .50cal ammo 66-67!
Question: at 14:40 one of the Crewman on the C-47 is cranking a handle on the Mini Gun? I know they were electric so what's the Handle for? Thanks in advance
Yes, it was for reloading these type of guns, while in flight.
You gotta lock and load !
All that superior air power and weaponry against a pajama wearing enemy, and we still lose. What was all that about? BTW I was over there then too.
Roger,give em all ya got ,and bring back all your ships, Roger
24:37 Well the DC and UN politicians made damn sure that was all a lie and for naught. Next time, how about we put the politicians on the front lines.
for as small as it was" it was a pretty big place'
Roman Plows; The VC didn't always have Carte Blanche on our end of it"
when I left were were winning" I'm now dealing with the effects of that crap from the spraying: Col. Glenn Williams at one time was in Charge of all Medavac: he & others flew in support those spraying that carp over the trees; Some thing just under ten years back he has passed away do to that carp, cancer: it was really bad; My self & a few others stayed with him pretty much the whole time: he's in Arlington now:
he was good man"
10:33 “we have the air defense to deal with them” shows an AIM-4 Falcon, probably one of the shittiest missiles ever
nice thanks
DaNang, excitment,joy,saddness,terror,comratary and growing up FAST...
My uncle was Lt. Gen. Joe H. Moore
good up load thanks
Chính phủ mỹ không nói đến tổn thất kinh khủng họ phải chịu từ B52 F4 ...trực thăng không quân vn đã đánh cho không quân mỹ những trận kinh hoàng rất nhiều B52 đã rơi trên bầu trời Hà Nội Hải Phòng Thanh Hóa .
Ah, the Bullshit Bombers. My cousin was a pilot of a U-10. It was his scariest combat flying.
Anybody remember when they hit the jet fuel dump in DaNang either 69 or 70 with 122mm rockets??
I was there when the vc used the Katusha(sp) rockets from the Marine side of base/mountain.That was the start of 'Rocket City'
I was born in Edwards Air Force base in 1964
tak pernah ragu akan jln ku masalah alat militer ku tak di ragu kn semua .pasti kembali semua..dari yg keren keren ..aja lh alat alat ku
Imprecionante video,charly de argentina.-
Did he really just call agent orange 'non toxic'?
Evildeathmonkey Yes he did. But he's just reading a script.
Cindy Klenk
That's terrible, Cindy. I wish you all the love and strength in the world.
There was more than one type tested there. So that variant couldve been nontoxic.
Yep! fucking liers, still in 2018 fighting the Army!
@@zacharycharles1450 The official government line was that it was saft. Many veterans including my brother found it to be deadly. The government denied va benefits for years to it's victims.
"...spraying a non-toxic kind of weed killer..." - yeah, TCDD.
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Now we know, but so much bullshit propaganda in this propaganda film. The VC and NVA were a LOT smarter than this film would have you believe. And the topper? At around 13:15, Agent Orange is being sprayed on forests and described as a "non-toxic weed killer". Aside from deforestation, as we now know, Agent Orange killed and is probably still killing Vietnam veterans. An interesting film that should make your blood boil at the flagrant lies it contains.
They had them bomb within yards of themselves because they were desperate for help not that they though they had perfect aim.
Incredibile! dopo tutto questo spiegamento di forze non sono riusciti a vincere questa guerra, certo che è proprio strano.
11:12 are those Mirage III?
The biggest problem was boss’s were in the states and generals were void at mostly. Politicians ran the war. That why we lost the main war but won the battles.😊
We're not even a democracy we're a constitutional republic
rasa nya auck tak pernah merasa tertipu alat sendiri...
"...spraying a non-toxic type of weed killer."
Sure it was. Sure it was.
My granddaddy say'd he was their with the CB's.
"SeaBees?" The US Navy construction battalions is a glorious group. Hats off to Granddad.
13:10 "A non-toxic kind of weed killer"
Well, technically yes, the *herbicide* was non-toxic. Too bad it was contaminated with dioxins...
my brother in law ,an aussie grunt still suffers from a "rash" on his back ,both his daughters suffer from genetic damage caused by these toxins ,one effect is their tits wont stop growing ,one has had to suffer 3 breast reductions .
musashiman bushi
Agent Orange. Just had a friend's dad pass away who suffered rashes on his ears, head, and back, as well as dementia from the stuff. I also see Vietnam Veterans at the VA hospital who suffer the after effects of the herbicide to this very day. Not a pleasant site.
Có ai là người Việt Nam đang xem k🇻🇳
During Vietnam war the B52 sorties for bombing Ho Chi Minh trail has been approved only half of what General Westmoreland requested.