As a former cruiser in Mexico, we were in the habit of going into town for dinner and the returning after dark. We often had a difficult time finding our boat in a crowded anchorage. We solved the problem with reflective orange tape on both sides at the bow and stern. This also helped boats arriving in the dark to see us. We are so sorry to hear of La Vagabonde's accident. Best wishes to them.
I will add one thing Lowell. When anchoring, of course the anchor light is switched on, but nowadays the AIS transponder is also activated to show your position. Let it be known that in Japan NO small fishing boat and almost no medium sized fishing boats (up to 12 tons or so) had an AIS receiver or transceiver. So if you are expecting to see or to be seen by a fisher with by AIS, forget it. Even AIS receiving VHF radios are a rarity. I imagine L.V. had theirs activated as an extra safety measure, but to no avail. Fog, heavy rain, background lighting all go to make boats very hard to see and you cannot rely on AIS in Japan.
Thanks for some much needed perspective on La Vagabonde's accident. So many others wanting to create drama out of someone else's crisis. It can happen to anyone. Our sailing boat was hit by a fishing boat in Greece, thankfully only superficial damage for us, but a shock none the less. We lit our boat at deck level at night from then on, as well as showing the anchor light. Best wishes to the La Vagabonde crew. Enjoy the cherry blossom 🙂
I admire the level view given by you about the accident involving SLV. The clarity. It was an accident and it is their story to tell. Your experience in these waters was really useful pointing out the culture around the fishing ports.
When you mentioned chasing the cherry blossoms on bike, it brought back fond memories of Japan and a warning. I was stationed at Iwakoni and Okinawa for a year back in 1977. At that time the Yen to Dollar exchange rate was 300/1, which made it possible for a young Marine to buy a 10-speed bike and tour the country, immersing myself in Japanese culture, well away from the military influenced, over-crowded cities. Biking into the hilly, narrow, switch back roads led to eye-widening beauty, adventure, polite and inviting people, and something I've never felt before, a spiritual awakening in a forest of bamboo. But I digress... the warning came from our brass to anyone who travels the country by car or bicycle, Do NOT hit a pedestrian... they always have the right-away and you WILL go to jail for a very long time!
Lovely video. It was an accident. Japan had a beautiful and respectful culture. Gld to hear it extends to their waters and fisbermen as well ❤. ✌️ to Japan and to all involved. Hope to sail there some day as well.
Unfortunately this type of seamanship appeared on the west coast of the South Island in NZ. Trawlers from Russia and South Korea, contracted by NZ fishing companies would ply these waters with varying degrees of competence. NZ and Russian trawlers would run North South trawl lines, but Korea went East West. This resulted in a collision between a Sealord vessel "Seafire" and the Korean fishing boat. Korean fishing vessel had no one in the wheelhouse as all were tending the trawl bag. I worked shore based for Sealords at the time and saw the damage to "Seafire" Commonly called "Backfire" by us mere mortals on shore. I was amazed no one was injured in that accident.
It wasn't an accident. They were legally anchored out of a channel with an anchor light on, as well as some cabin lights. It was negligence on the fishing boat skipper for not having a proper watch, it is an international rule that the skipper must keep watch. So negligence, not an accident.
Thanks for keeping things at sea level. Most important no people were injured. I'll bet the damage to the vessel(s) will be expensive. It will be very interesting to learn about the watch conditions on the vessel underway. What could have prevented this accident. In those waters it might be prudent to keep AIS active along with an anchor watch and radar perimeter watch. (assuming vessels are so equipped.) It will also be interesting to know who reported the accident to whom and how they did it. And, what was the response. Thanks again for your videos.
Thanks for watching! Yep good questions and good points. From my local contacts in the know, the fishing boat reported it to the Japan Coast Guard and the Japan Coast guard concurred that the fishing boat was at fault. This has been since put in writing and SLV`s agent, a friend of mine, has the copy
Respecting both sides of this story with pointing no faults but maybe improvements for all vessels warning systems such as for night and fog conditions especially needed for busy ports as Japan has . Just so grateful no one was hurt.
being seen is a problem working in steam cloud in the winter i came up with a idea for a problem ,,big mistake scoty love his chug ,,got good idea for them and other but go
As a long term cruiser/sailor. We leave lights on at anchor. Lights at deck, so the boat stands out. Just because a small all-round light at the mast top is by far not enough for someone to see, especially against the lights of a village or city. And our next boat will have additional underwater lights, to make sure we will be seen. Just my five cents.
Thanks for sharing your perspective on LV and your experience in Japanese waters. It is refreshing to hear a voice of reason in these times of armchair quarterbacks who seem to have no end to their unfounded and irrational opinions and who proudly and loudly express them at every opportunity. ❤
Thanks for the video. Tech tip: a lapel microphone would improve audio quality a lot. If you're filming on a phone, Bluetooth ones are readily available.
The line between accident and negligence is nuanced. Everyone keeps referring to this as an accident. The fishing vessel was traveling at 10 knots or less which means multiple minutes of a heading at night with no one on watch to observe before the collision. I’m sorry, there is some significant negligence there. You may not expect an anchored boat or you may not expect a disabled vessel that lost its engine, but that’s not the point. You were the captain of the ship on a heading at speed and you are responsible for whatever is in your path, end of story. Japan is a part of the international boating community and needs to hold its individual captains accountable to the same regulations we follow all over the world. The tone of this video makes it sound like local culture takes precedent over international law.
You make a valid legal point. In fact the Captain has taken a responsibility. He is at fault and was the one who called the coast guard. In an accident lessons are to be learned and ultimately legal blame is to be appropriated. The purpose of this video is to point out the practical not legal issue. Incoming cruisers need to be aware of main point that while anchoring is legal it is not common place. Be wary of anchoring … sure if you are hit it will be the fisherman’s fault .. no disputing of that, but why take the risk.
@markthomasson5077 this is very normal in Japan. Quickly and honestly taking responsibility is expected in Japan. If you are found responsible after denying it you will get more severe consequences.
I can absolutely imagine that in Norway. And if consequences takes a turn for the worse, later justice still doesn't hinge upon what you might have said in the moment.
It is always a good idea not to anchor in the path that other boats are most likely to use. Also a good idea for fisherfolk not to drop there pots and gear on those same paths the ammount of times when going from point A to B and you suddenly notice that a fisherman has dropped nets or pots on your route and have to take evasive action.
Thanks for this information. It’s been a bit nerve wracking hearing all the misinformation floating around. I was shocked and so sorry to hear that it happened near the area I live. But I think everyone involved took the responsible actions necessary. Thanks for keeping to the facts about the incident and sailing here in Japan. I’ve been watching SLV since they first started making videos, so I’ve been hoping to meet up with them at some point here in Japan. Good luck on the cycling trip. Will you come through the Okayama area?
Thanks for watching as anyways. Unlikely I will be sailing anywhere near Okayama as I plan on the east coast and visiting the remaining prefecture I have not been too … Shimane
@ I was wondering if you’ll ride your bike through this area. The coast of the Japan Sea along Tottori and Shimane is really beautiful! I highly recommend it.
Wrong, there is also Sailing Seamurai YT, Nemanja from Choshi on a Yamaha 26 sailboat. . Even if he doesn't post so much since 1 year,. A good sailor ;)
Theres Sea of japan on his Wharram Islander and theres also The guy building a Dudley Dix 46ft catameran. Hes Australian i think ...hes the only man in Japan building a Catamaran . His channels called Salt and Light ... Its a men with sheds type effort with some Japanese guys helping out.
Hi Lowell, on a personal note I do not care much for them. That said your comments are welcomed and accurate. I chose not to bring my boat here from California because the sailing environment just wasn’t that attractive. When the family said they were wanting to get into the shelter of the Seto inland sea I predicted trouble for them. As you know it can be furious, that coupled with the volume of vessels, aquaculture, and strong currents is not optimal for unfamiliar sailors. Anyway, nice video.
I appreciate your video and I am astonished (probably shouldn’t be) with the negative comments towards you and SLV. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and comments, but these are free for anyone’s enjoyment. If you don’t like or don’t agree why bother with the negative feedback? Does this somehow make you feel better? If so, says a lot about you and nothing about the content creator. IMO. Safe travels and thanks for the FREE content!
When I anchor at night I leave all my navigation lights on to be the most visible. My guess is they didn't because the fishing vessel would of Sen them at night. That's my guess. Ais was off and no lights on.
The story yet needs to be told by them. My understanding is lights were on. I think the fisherman was doing what he does every night … preparing his boat … and didn’t see the anchored pleasure vessel … in any case he acknowledged to the coast guard he was at fault and the CG agreed
@ oh I agree. That is why I said my guess. I have every light on at night when I am anchored to be visible. I know they value their privacy so that is why I can see them not wanting to advertise where they are. There is obviously down sides to that. I shall wait if they want to tell us exactly what happened. They don’t even have to tell us really.
A fisherman not expecting to see a cruising boat anchored - completely ignores the most important of rule of being a boat captain - that is keep a watch of what’s going on around you. Putting you boat on autopilot - then working elsewhere on the boat is negligent. The Japanese maritime industry needs to reform these practices urgently.
Thanks for some comment on La Vagabonde's accident and sailing in Japan. I believe it was an accident. But in Japan they are not ready in many areas for foreigners and sailors like La Vagabonde are really rare and Fishermans are really not expecting something like them... they do not expect somebody would be there - it is so rare.... Japan is not easy even for normal life... Japanese people are very nice but general commonsense is different - and even you don't do anything wrong it can be a trouble as it is not common activity there. In last almost 25 years I had a lot of really strange experiences in Japan and my Japanese wife's family and friends needed to help me often at beginning... I hope Riley and Elayna will handle all well.
Yep. I concur. I advise incoming sailors whether you hire and agent or not, the fact is you do need help and support from somewhere. Having an agent as SLV do makes a big difference to smoothing out some otherwise awkward even frustrating situations where mis communication can add to the stress. But for those of us who do not have an agent, we must still rely on others, whether it is family, friends or a stranger to to help out, of which they are always in ready supply I have found. Japan is an adventure. Been here 27 years, my language still `sucks` but love living and traveling here
V interesting with sea life being so much part of diet i an imagine huge fishing fleets ...may be a stupid question v pronounced lighted sea lanes in cairns australia probably to do with reef and sandbacks v previlent .On my many ferrry crossings to Amami cant say noticed any are they scarse in Japan briefly noticed on intro seemsyou have been to Island of Akune Kagoshima lot of deer to my memory their .wifes fam from Akume
Thanks for watching and also for your comment. I cannot comment on Australia now compare. What I can say is that I do not think in Japan there are lighted shipping lanes like you are referring to. There are Marker Buouys that are usually lit at nite to mark the harbor entrance. Love Amami and Akusekishima. Where do you live now?
@ live in cairns australia but visiting kyushu april staying also in akune wifes fam house they live in old samarai house always bang my head though and standing bath with fire under v trad Japan have v long lighted shipping chanel here have v large tidal flats prob why
It’s unfortunate to see the negative comments about SLV. While they are not my favourite sailing channel, the fact that they are maximising the you tube business to fund their lifestyle does not make them disengenuous people. Their subscriber numbers prove that there is a market for their content, maybe dreamers , romantics and not serious cruisers. Who knows? I don’t! I wish them well🙏
perhaps . . as I mention in the video, the waters around near fishing ports can get kinda crazy in the wee hours of the morning . . I have never been at anchor near a port, but I have left and arrived ports in the middle of the night. I watch everyting on my AIS and I have radar too. But there is alot of avoidance exercises . . . And actually my own boat does not have a AIS transmitter only receiver . . . this is because I need a license that up to now is only available Japanese. But I have been told that has changed and now I can take in a certificate copy of my Canadian Maritime Radio License to get reciprocated. My boat is Japan Registered so I am under a different set of rules to incoming cruisers
We love La Vagabonde and have been watching since the beginning. We are confused where the accident happened. There have been maps showing the accident happened between Japan and Korea. But from what was written on your video ( 1:44 ) , it says it happened off of Kagawa which would be in the Inland Sea. We are familiar (MK born/growing up in Japan & Family in Shikoku & scuba in Kochi Prefecture) with the area. A comment, as an Oregon offshore sportfisher. Any time I was offshore (usually within 30 miles of shore/50 miles of Port) I kept a watch for commercial fishing vessels (both small and large) because many times the fishing vessels are preoccupied with gearing up on the way out or getting ready to unload at home port. I would NEVER sleep without a watch and was always lit up like a Christmas Tree. I was brought up to "drive defensively" my US Navy Officer Dad - whether on land or sea. And I will add, sea-going tugs pulling barges with long cables and occasional container ships are a terror. And the Inland Sea is crazy with all kinds of traffic. Never would I be offshore without a watch.
Here’s a clearer and more concise rewrite of your reply: I understand your sentiment. This situation involves legal semantics. It was an accident in the sense that it wasn’t intentional. However, in Japan (as in many places), whenever there’s an accident involving vehicles or vessels, the authorities (police or coast guard) must be informed. They determine culpability, which insurance companies then use to decide on payouts. Sometimes, responsibility is split 50/50 from a legal standpoint. In this case, the fishing boat accepted responsibility because it was the moving vessel, and the incident occurred outside the harbor. When I had my accident at sea two years ago, the accident report also determined that I was not at fault. Could either vessel have done more to prevent this accident? Absolutely. The anchored vessel was legally anchored with the required lights, but had they arrived and anchored in daylight, chosen a location further from the harbor entrance, or been more visibly lit, ( they did have the required lights on) the accident might have been avoided. Similarly, the moving vessel’s captain should have maintained a constant watch, as required, rather than being distracted by tasks like pulling up fenders. Ultimately, these oversights contributed to the outcome.
Yes, my point is mostly semantics. "Accident" is used to simplify a compound/complex situation. Everything that happened was done with intent. But that does not mean it was done intentionally. It's the space between black and white that explains things. Call it an "incident" or " situation" or "collision", accident, to me means something that could not be prevented, thus "not my fault". Sounds like Japan is a good place to use strobe anchor lights, although I hate them.
Interesting that no one questions why an anchor watch was not being maintained - it is generally considered to be best practice and good seamanship …. There is no shortage of adults on board with the paid crew etc and owners ….
I really like La Vaga, but, sorry, they allowed this accident to happen. Even in my first weeks of what is now over 30 years of cruising and sailing experience, NEVER NEVER anchor in or near a channel that other vessels will possibly use to enter or exit a port or even a commonly used anchorage. This especially when its a commercial port or anchorage, and more especially when it is small fishing boats. Always be so cautious unless you're in an area marked as an anchorage on the chart. Fishermen, and commercial operators, and even regular recreational fishing boats go about their business every day or so, day-in day-out for years, and, being human, many (or all) fall into habits, and can from time to time fall into an occasional bad habit. It's Murphy's Law ... if something can go wrong it will. The reason for Murphy's Law ... don't put yourself in a position where something can go wrong. If you anchor often in a potential channel outside of a port, well, sorry getting hit one day is almost inevitable. If you can't get into the port, what is the answer or work around in this situation? La Vaga III draws only about 2 feet, and has a strong liftable keel. Use the chart and depth sounder to anchor just off the shore, in 6 feet of low tide water, with the keel down 4 feet, just in case. Put the anchor off shore, deep, with plenty of scope, 5 to 1, and an anchor buddy to keep the chain on the seabed, to reduce the chance of vessels hitting the chain. Use the dingy to put one (or to stern anchors or better stern lines, shore anchors out, to eliminate swing. Sure, it's a hasstle. And then leave you lights on. Another point, and unnecesary if the forgoing common sense is followed .... has anyone ever invented a masthead proximity strobe? If a solid object approaches at over a determinable speed, it automates a flashing strobe light and the 5 horns for "you are sailing onto danger". A good protection against thieves too.
Fair point and good advice. Sadly accidents/collisions teach us things. While legally the fisherman has accepted blame there are lessons for sure that cruisers coming to Japan should take heed of. I may do a video in the future with other sailors in Japan what guidelines we suggest for cruisers coming to Japan to not only avert accidents but also help Japanese communities and authorities feel comfortable and confident in welcoming cruisers. There are also efforts in Japan to educate port authorities etc as to expectations of incoming cruisers and what they are used to doing elsewhere. Mutual understand will help in the future
I think this video shouldn’t have been made really. So you met up with them then you post about them. I’m sure they loved that, and now probably see that meet up as disingenuous.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. As I said in the video the message was in response to the many messages and comments asking me and others here for info. The video is focused on them and the increasing number of cruisers coming your way Japan. Many reach out before they come for advice as SLV did. I was happy to oblige as I do with others. They asked to do a segment with me which I also agreed to. I am part of a small community of sailors in Japan keen on promoting Japan but also wanting to covey the peculiarities of sailing in Japan. Anchoring is one of them. Glad that SLV has posted their video giving an account what happened … accidents happen
cant really comment on the EU and the issues there, but yes the fishing industry in Japan is well ingrained, and not just the big industrial operations, but the hundreds of ports where local fishermen and those with aqua farms work hard every day to feed their families, communities and the nation and to keep local economies alive. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment
They posted on fb an initial report. My video is intended to give an insight into the fishing culture in Japan as a help to cruisers considering come to Japan. In short, as they reported, a fishing vessel hit them in the middle of night. They have a video coming out soon where they will share what happened . I wish them the best and grateful they came to Japan. So sad the accident happened
Sounds like Japan is like a few other countries I know, Greece for one fishermen out in their small boats at all hours of day and night trying to make a living and tourists boats all over the place and a lot are lacking experience and local knowledge for a particular culture or place it takes time to understand this knowledge. The poor fisherman probably doesn’t realise it but the worst thing he’s done is he pricked their ego in not identifying that they were there. Sure there will be a bit of damage to the boat but that’s easy to fix and it’s only an attachment doesn’t sound like any human was damaged just the ego and that’s an attachment as well so no real problems they’ll just have to put out a few more UA-cam videos to help pay for it. Cheers like your Yacht Your Attachment not mine I spent my time at sea and it was a great experience.
As someone who has lived in Japan in the past, the arrogance of outsiders who don't bother to learn local customs, then complain about it, never ceases to amazes me.
After 27 year despite trying and going to school three times, my language ability still `sucks` but understanding cultural nuances goes along way to fitting inm discovering hidden riches and making last friendships. Has someone who has lived in Japan I know you understand too and appreciate how unique japan is in various ways. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
Why didn’t they have an anchor watch? They had the crew for it. It’s just proper/good seamanship. Sailboats constantly prove they are their own worst enemies when it comes to proper seamanship.
Thanks for watching and apologies for the delayed response. Of course I cannot answer the question, only La Vagabond can. That being said, La Vagabond were legally anchored and had their lights on. The fishing boat that struck them was in the wrong, and accepted responsiblity as did the Fishing Coop through which the insurance organized. The Coast guard concurred and stated so in their report. Sadly it was an accident and as with all accidents lessons to be learned
@ all you wrote is true. It’s just that as a veteran marine engineer of large commercial vessels and motor yachts I find sail boaters usually do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to safety and it’s infuriating to me.
@@PacificSolo thanks! I don't understand why more sailors don't do it. LEDs don't use much power. I started doing this when a friend's yacht was hit by a small speedboat (thundercat) at night. She came up to see the boat sitting there with the engine running and no one around. The next day the police found two bodies under the yacht.
Well thanks for watching that far anyways taking time to comment. We all have our opinion and mine is based on being with them while try are off camera …
I stopped watching when you stated how genuine they are.. . LOL! About as non genuine as any YT channel there is. Glad they are OK and am sure they will monetize this event to no end.
Haha … well I’m only passing on my observation having spent time with them when they first arrived in Japan … they were the same off camera as on camera … enjoyed my time with them and also the crew they had who visited my boat separately for drinks … I can’t speak for your encounters with SLV … personally for me…. It was great and as far as them monetizing their content … more power to them as it makes their lifestyle and channel sustainable … good on them .
@@PacificSolo Some people are just salty that others can make money by making videos on UA-cam. Why wouldn't they document the accident and make a video about it? I'm interested. I'll watch it. I've met Riley and Elayna too and they seemed amazing.
`` this guy` ;) is responding to those interested in cruising to Japan and have been asking whether anchoring is legal and whats up with Japan fishermen. Yep, I repeat and I am not all that good on camera etc, but wanting to get the message across for those to whom in matters, the small but growing number of cruisers considering coming to Japan. For those folks, I trust it is helpful to have the simple points made. Thanks for watching
Well, thanks for watching anyway. The purpose was to make a singular point: anchoring is legal, but not every common place. Regarding advice, if you are coming to Japan, the general consensus is DON`T ANCHOR overnight. This is the expectation by local boaters and fishermen, and besides, it`s when at the dock you meet people and have the real adventure of being in Japan and experiencing local life. Plus, in most cases, it is free or very, very cheap. I have moored in 70 ports so far, and I have seldom paid anything. Only in marinas do I pay. If you anchor, then be sure you are far from any port entrance and aqua farming and that you are lit up like a Christmas tree.
This is at least the third seirous issues,incident, or thing they have had with that stupid multi billion super carbon trimaran, why put your children at risk? You could've gotten just another catamaran...you know I fear for their childrens safety
It’s their story to tell and they will share I am sure in due course. To be violently awakened in the middle of the night with young children on board certainly would be unsettling … for me at least.
A very fair well balanced and factual report. Thank you for your careful comments. Best of luck in your travels.
Thanks for watching and your kind comments
As a former cruiser in Mexico, we were in the habit of going into town for dinner and the returning after dark. We often had a difficult time finding our boat in a crowded anchorage. We solved the problem with reflective orange tape on both sides at the bow and stern. This also helped boats arriving in the dark to see us. We are so sorry to hear of La Vagabonde's accident. Best wishes to them.
Good idea!
I will add one thing Lowell.
When anchoring, of course the anchor light is switched on, but nowadays the AIS transponder is also activated to show your position. Let it be known that in Japan NO small fishing boat and almost no medium sized fishing boats (up to 12 tons or so) had an AIS receiver or transceiver. So if you are expecting to see or to be seen by a fisher with by AIS, forget it. Even AIS receiving VHF radios are a rarity.
I imagine L.V. had theirs activated as an extra safety measure, but to no avail.
Fog, heavy rain, background lighting all go to make boats very hard to see and you cannot rely on AIS in Japan.
thanks for watching and making those good points
Thanks for some much needed perspective on La Vagabonde's accident. So many others wanting to create drama out of someone else's crisis. It can happen to anyone. Our sailing boat was hit by a fishing boat in Greece, thankfully only superficial damage for us, but a shock none the less. We lit our boat at deck level at night from then on, as well as showing the anchor light. Best wishes to the La Vagabonde crew.
Enjoy the cherry blossom 🙂
thanks for watching and good advice.
is there some reason people wouldnt have anchor light and more on just to be noticed?
@@jdge439their latest video confirms they had lights on …
I admire the level view given by you about the accident involving SLV. The clarity. It was an accident and it is their story to tell. Your experience in these waters was really useful pointing out the culture around the fishing ports.
Thanks for watching and your kind words
Thanks for this well needed information!
Appreciate it you watching and taking the time to comment.
Good information, thanks for the update, it’s sad to see some of the negative comments about SLV, haters and jealously.
thanks for watching and yes. its sad
When you mentioned chasing the cherry blossoms on bike, it brought back fond memories of Japan and a warning. I was stationed at Iwakoni and Okinawa for a year back in 1977. At that time the Yen to Dollar exchange rate was 300/1, which made it possible for a young Marine to buy a 10-speed bike and tour the country, immersing myself in Japanese culture, well away from the military influenced, over-crowded cities. Biking into the hilly, narrow, switch back roads led to eye-widening beauty, adventure, polite and inviting people, and something I've never felt before, a spiritual awakening in a forest of bamboo. But I digress... the warning came from our brass to anyone who travels the country by car or bicycle, Do NOT hit a pedestrian... they always have the right-away and you WILL go to jail for a very long time!
Thanks for catching and comment sharing your bicycle adventure! I enjoyed reading it
Thank you for your true information over the sailing in Japan and over Vagabond
You’re welcome!
thankyou for your view!!
thanks for watching
Lovely video. It was an accident. Japan had a beautiful and respectful culture. Gld to hear it extends to their waters and fisbermen as well ❤. ✌️ to Japan and to all involved. Hope to sail there some day as well.
Thanks for watching. Come to Japan
Unfortunately this type of seamanship appeared on the west coast of the South Island in NZ. Trawlers from Russia and South Korea, contracted by NZ fishing companies would ply these waters with varying degrees of competence. NZ and Russian trawlers would run North South trawl lines, but Korea went East West. This resulted in a collision between a Sealord vessel "Seafire" and the Korean fishing boat. Korean fishing vessel had no one in the wheelhouse as all were tending the trawl bag. I worked shore based for Sealords at the time and saw the damage to "Seafire" Commonly called "Backfire" by us mere mortals on shore. I was amazed no one was injured in that accident.
Yep.
It wasn't an accident. They were legally anchored out of a channel with an anchor light on, as well as some cabin lights. It was negligence on the fishing boat skipper for not having a proper watch, it is an international rule that the skipper must keep watch. So negligence, not an accident.
You are right. The fisherman is at fault legally. But not intentional. My view is that in any accident, culpability has to be assigned
Thanks for keeping things at sea level. Most important no people were injured. I'll bet the damage to the vessel(s) will be expensive. It will be very interesting to learn about the watch conditions on the vessel underway. What could have prevented this accident. In those waters it might be prudent to keep AIS active along with an anchor watch and radar perimeter watch. (assuming vessels are so equipped.) It will also be interesting to know who reported the accident to whom and how they did it. And, what was the response. Thanks again for your videos.
Thanks for watching! Yep good questions and good points. From my local contacts in the know, the fishing boat reported it to the Japan Coast Guard and the Japan Coast guard concurred that the fishing boat was at fault. This has been since put in writing and SLV`s agent, a friend of mine, has the copy
Respecting both sides of this story with pointing no faults but maybe improvements for all vessels warning systems such as for night and fog conditions especially needed for busy ports as Japan has . Just so grateful no one was hurt.
Keeping an anchor watch at night instead of sleeping sucks but it could also save your life
being seen is a problem working in steam cloud in the winter i came up with a idea for a problem ,,big mistake scoty love his chug ,,got good idea for them and other but go
As a long term cruiser/sailor. We leave lights on at anchor. Lights at deck, so the boat stands out. Just because a small all-round light at the mast top is by far not enough for someone to see, especially against the lights of a village or city. And our next boat will have additional underwater lights, to make sure we will be seen. Just my five cents.
Sensible.
Great tone, thanks for the informative vid
thanks
OYZ!
You can go straight to 3:27 ie 4:43
Excellent info. Thank you. The bike trip sounds amazing! Might have to do that first. Hopefully you’ll be doing some videos on your two wheel travel.
Thanks for watching to the end!!!! Cycling in Japan is great!
Thanks for sharing your perspective on LV and your experience in Japanese waters. It is refreshing to hear a voice of reason in these times of armchair quarterbacks who seem to have no end to their unfounded and irrational opinions and who proudly and loudly express them at every opportunity. ❤
Thank you
Thanks for the video. Tech tip: a lapel microphone would improve audio quality a lot. If you're filming on a phone, Bluetooth ones are readily available.
Thanks for watching and the tip. Yeah, I need to get a bit better at this .
The line between accident and negligence is nuanced. Everyone keeps referring to this as an accident. The fishing vessel was traveling at 10 knots or less which means multiple minutes of a heading at night with no one on watch to observe before the collision. I’m sorry, there is some significant negligence there. You may not expect an anchored boat or you may not expect a disabled vessel that lost its engine, but that’s not the point. You were the captain of the ship on a heading at speed and you are responsible for whatever is in your path, end of story. Japan is a part of the international boating community and needs to hold its individual captains accountable to the same regulations we follow all over the world. The tone of this video makes it sound like local culture takes precedent over international law.
You make a valid legal point. In fact the Captain has taken a responsibility. He is at fault and was the one who called the coast guard. In an accident lessons are to be learned and ultimately legal blame is to be appropriated. The purpose of this video is to point out the practical not legal issue. Incoming cruisers need to be aware of main point that while anchoring is legal it is not common place. Be wary of anchoring … sure if you are hit it will be the fisherman’s fault .. no disputing of that, but why take the risk.
知らない処でオーバーナイトでアンカリングする際には地元民が日没より前にワンアクションできる時間帯までに錨を降ろす事をお勧めします😌
同意します。 視聴とコメントありがとうございます
Thanks.
What surprises me is that the Fisherman admitted liability…imagine that any where else in the world. Says a lot for the Japanese.
@markthomasson5077 this is very normal in Japan. Quickly and honestly taking responsibility is expected in Japan. If you are found responsible after denying it you will get more severe consequences.
I can absolutely imagine that in Norway. And if consequences takes a turn for the worse, later justice still doesn't hinge upon what you might have said in the moment.
Yes it does
Respect
It is always a good idea not to anchor in the path that other boats are most likely to use. Also a good idea for fisherfolk not to drop there pots and gear on those same paths the ammount of times when going from point A to B and you suddenly notice that a fisherman has dropped nets or pots on your route and have to take evasive action.
Yep. Good points
Thanks for this information. It’s been a bit nerve wracking hearing all the misinformation floating around. I was shocked and so sorry to hear that it happened near the area I live. But I think everyone involved took the responsible actions necessary. Thanks for keeping to the facts about the incident and sailing here in Japan.
I’ve been watching SLV since they first started making videos, so I’ve been hoping to meet up with them at some point here in Japan.
Good luck on the cycling trip. Will you come through the Okayama area?
Thanks for watching as anyways. Unlikely I will be sailing anywhere near Okayama as I plan on the east coast and visiting the remaining prefecture I have not been too … Shimane
@ I was wondering if you’ll ride your bike through this area. The coast of the Japan Sea along Tottori and Shimane is really beautiful! I highly recommend it.
@@shellyitoh9570 I will certainly cruise through, I have cycled Tottori before but Shimane remains the single remaining Prefecture to visit
You're about our sole channel creator representative in Japan.
Hope to be of help … there is not a high volume of cruisers coming but the numbers are increasing … where are you?
@@PacificSolo Southwest Florida.
Wrong, there is also Sailing Seamurai YT, Nemanja from Choshi on a Yamaha 26 sailboat. . Even if he doesn't post so much since 1 year,. A good sailor ;)
Giada is there too. One or two uploads a year doesn't make them a sailing channel creator.
Theres Sea of japan on his Wharram Islander and theres also The guy building a Dudley Dix 46ft catameran. Hes Australian i think ...hes the only man in Japan building a Catamaran . His channels called Salt and Light ... Its a men with sheds type effort with some Japanese
guys helping out.
is there a vid yet about the damage . i havent found one.
Not yet by SLV have announced on fb that a video is being released shortly
It’s out now on their channel
Hi Lowell, on a personal note I do not care much for them. That said your comments are welcomed and accurate. I chose not to bring my boat here from California because the sailing environment just wasn’t that attractive. When the family said they were wanting to get into the shelter of the Seto inland sea I predicted trouble for them. As you know it can be furious, that coupled with the volume of vessels, aquaculture, and strong currents is not optimal for unfamiliar sailors. Anyway, nice video.
Thanks for watching and your perspective ….. yep Seto inland sea is beautiful but does have its challenges
I can't stand the show
Ahh chasing Sakura. What a lovely idea, enjoy!
Indeed! Thanks for watching to the end!
@@PacificSolo No worries mate! Might have to sell the boat and move to Japan. Cheers
sail to japan ;)
Enjoyed to hear you talking, such a benevolent, friendly voice. Thanks
Awww.. thanks so much
Happiest Holidays to you Sir, we love all your vlogs and content!! Take care out there, beautiful journey beautiful!!❤️
Awww … thanks so much
Wow if Vagabonde wasn't anger their the fishing boat would hit the mountain 🛥
I appreciate your video and I am astonished (probably shouldn’t be) with the negative comments towards you and SLV. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and comments, but these are free for anyone’s enjoyment. If you don’t like or don’t agree why bother with the negative feedback? Does this somehow make you feel better? If so, says a lot about you and nothing about the content creator. IMO. Safe travels and thanks for the FREE content!
Aww … thanks for watching and taking time to comment. Appreciate your kind words
When I anchor at night I leave all my navigation lights on to be the most visible.
My guess is they didn't because the fishing vessel would of Sen them at night.
That's my guess. Ais was off and no lights on.
The story yet needs to be told by them. My understanding is lights were on. I think the fisherman was doing what he does every night … preparing his boat … and didn’t see the anchored pleasure vessel … in any case he acknowledged to the coast guard he was at fault and the CG agreed
@ oh I agree. That is why I said my guess.
I have every light on at night when I am anchored to be visible.
I know they value their privacy so that is why I can see them not wanting to advertise where they are. There is obviously down sides to that.
I shall wait if they want to tell us exactly what happened.
They don’t even have to tell us really.
A fisherman not expecting to see a cruising boat anchored - completely ignores the most important of rule of being a boat captain - that is keep a watch of what’s going on around you. Putting you boat on autopilot - then working elsewhere on the boat is negligent. The Japanese maritime industry needs to reform these practices urgently.
I don’t disagree . Thanks for watching
Thanks for some comment on La Vagabonde's accident and sailing in Japan. I believe it was an accident. But in Japan they are not ready in many areas for foreigners and sailors like La Vagabonde are really rare and Fishermans are really not expecting something like them... they do not expect somebody would be there - it is so rare.... Japan is not easy even for normal life... Japanese people are very nice but general commonsense is different - and even you don't do anything wrong it can be a trouble as it is not common activity there. In last almost 25 years I had a lot of really strange experiences in Japan and my Japanese wife's family and friends needed to help me often at beginning... I hope Riley and Elayna will handle all well.
Yep. I concur. I advise incoming sailors whether you hire and agent or not, the fact is you do need help and support from somewhere. Having an agent as SLV do makes a big difference to smoothing out some otherwise awkward even frustrating situations where mis communication can add to the stress. But for those of us who do not have an agent, we must still rely on others, whether it is family, friends or a stranger to to help out, of which they are always in ready supply I have found. Japan is an adventure. Been here 27 years, my language still `sucks` but love living and traveling here
V interesting with sea life being so much part of diet i an imagine huge fishing fleets ...may be a stupid question v pronounced lighted sea lanes in cairns australia probably to do with reef and sandbacks v previlent .On my many ferrry crossings to Amami cant say noticed any are they scarse in Japan briefly noticed on intro seemsyou have been to Island of Akune Kagoshima lot of deer to my memory their .wifes fam from Akume
Thanks for watching and also for your comment. I cannot comment on Australia now compare. What I can say is that I do not think in Japan there are lighted shipping lanes like you are referring to. There are Marker Buouys that are usually lit at nite to mark the harbor entrance. Love Amami and Akusekishima. Where do you live now?
@ live in cairns australia but visiting kyushu april staying also in akune wifes fam house they live in old samarai house always bang my head though and standing bath with fire under v trad Japan have v long lighted shipping chanel here have v large tidal flats prob why
yep . . ive bumped m head plenty of times too in Japan
Good info...
Thanks
It’s unfortunate to see the negative comments about SLV. While they are not my favourite sailing channel, the fact that they are maximising the you tube business to fund their lifestyle does not make them disengenuous people. Their subscriber numbers prove that there is a market for their content, maybe dreamers , romantics and not serious cruisers. Who knows? I don’t! I wish them well🙏
I agree. Thanks for watching and commenting
its not about their content riley is an ass in person
What about smaller vessels in Japan not being required to have AIS on board? Is that true, and is that not the likely culprit?
perhaps . . as I mention in the video, the waters around near fishing ports can get kinda crazy in the wee hours of the morning . . I have never been at anchor near a port, but I have left and arrived ports in the middle of the night. I watch everyting on my AIS and I have radar too. But there is alot of avoidance exercises . . . And actually my own boat does not have a AIS transmitter only receiver . . . this is because I need a license that up to now is only available Japanese. But I have been told that has changed and now I can take in a certificate copy of my Canadian Maritime Radio License to get reciprocated. My boat is Japan Registered so I am under a different set of rules to incoming cruisers
We love La Vagabonde and have been watching since the beginning.
We are confused where the accident happened. There have been maps showing the accident happened between Japan and Korea. But from what was written on your video ( 1:44 ) , it says it happened off of Kagawa which would be in the Inland Sea. We are familiar (MK born/growing up in Japan & Family in Shikoku & scuba in Kochi Prefecture) with the area.
A comment, as an Oregon offshore sportfisher. Any time I was offshore (usually within 30 miles of shore/50 miles of Port) I kept a watch for commercial fishing vessels (both small and large) because many times the fishing vessels are preoccupied with gearing up on the way out or getting ready to unload at home port. I would NEVER sleep without a watch and was always lit up like a Christmas Tree. I was brought up to "drive defensively" my US Navy Officer Dad - whether on land or sea.
And I will add, sea-going tugs pulling barges with long cables and occasional container ships are a terror. And the Inland Sea is crazy with all kinds of traffic. Never would I be offshore without a watch.
Yeah that channel had the accident location and other facts way off . That is in part why I posted this video
If it was an accident, there is nothing for the Japanese captain to take responsibility for.
Here’s a clearer and more concise rewrite of your reply:
I understand your sentiment. This situation involves legal semantics. It was an accident in the sense that it wasn’t intentional. However, in Japan (as in many places), whenever there’s an accident involving vehicles or vessels, the authorities (police or coast guard) must be informed. They determine culpability, which insurance companies then use to decide on payouts. Sometimes, responsibility is split 50/50 from a legal standpoint.
In this case, the fishing boat accepted responsibility because it was the moving vessel, and the incident occurred outside the harbor. When I had my accident at sea two years ago, the accident report also determined that I was not at fault.
Could either vessel have done more to prevent this accident? Absolutely. The anchored vessel was legally anchored with the required lights, but had they arrived and anchored in daylight, chosen a location further from the harbor entrance, or been more visibly lit, ( they did have the required lights on) the accident might have been avoided. Similarly, the moving vessel’s captain should have maintained a constant watch, as required, rather than being distracted by tasks like pulling up fenders. Ultimately, these oversights contributed to the outcome.
Yes, my point is mostly semantics.
"Accident" is used to simplify a compound/complex situation.
Everything that happened was done with intent. But that does not mean it was done intentionally. It's the space between black and white that explains things.
Call it an "incident" or " situation" or "collision", accident, to me means something that could not be prevented, thus "not my fault".
Sounds like Japan is a good place to use strobe anchor lights, although I hate them.
Not a good idea. That’s where Godzilla lives.
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@ on a serious note. Japan would be a bucket list item for me. 27’ Catalina won’t cut the mustard for this task…. Stay safe sir!
@@DVolvoguy777-x7othanks’. Hope you make it to Japan
@ ❤️
Very informative. Hope you enjoy your cherry blossom ride!
Thanks
Thanks for your information.
You are Welcome!
Hey, if you are close to Toyama at anytime, come and see me. I building a 47' sailing cat there.
Kev
I’ll be sailing by next spring! Let’s stay in touch
@ I’ll be heading back to Australia in Feb( escape some of the winter) back early march. Absolutely would love to meet up.
Kev
Interesting that no one questions why an anchor watch was not being maintained - it is generally considered to be best practice and good seamanship …. There is no shortage of adults on board with the paid crew etc and owners ….
Good question and no doubt they will answer in time …
I really like La Vaga, but, sorry, they allowed this accident to happen.
Even in my first weeks of what is now over 30 years of cruising and sailing experience, NEVER NEVER anchor in or near a channel that other vessels will possibly use to enter or exit a port or even a commonly used anchorage. This especially when its a commercial port or anchorage, and more especially when it is small fishing boats. Always be so cautious unless you're in an area marked as an anchorage on the chart. Fishermen, and commercial operators, and even regular recreational fishing boats go about their business every day or so, day-in day-out for years, and, being human, many (or all) fall into habits, and can from time to time fall into an occasional bad habit. It's Murphy's Law ... if something can go wrong it will. The reason for Murphy's Law ... don't put yourself in a position where something can go wrong. If you anchor often in a potential channel outside of a port, well, sorry getting hit one day is almost inevitable.
If you can't get into the port, what is the answer or work around in this situation? La Vaga III draws only about 2 feet, and has a strong liftable keel. Use the chart and depth sounder to anchor just off the shore, in 6 feet of low tide water, with the keel down 4 feet, just in case. Put the anchor off shore, deep, with plenty of scope, 5 to 1, and an anchor buddy to keep the chain on the seabed, to reduce the chance of vessels hitting the chain. Use the dingy to put one (or to stern anchors or better stern lines, shore anchors out, to eliminate swing. Sure, it's a hasstle. And then leave you lights on.
Another point, and unnecesary if the forgoing common sense is followed .... has anyone ever invented a masthead proximity strobe? If a solid object approaches at over a determinable speed, it automates a flashing strobe light and the 5 horns for "you are sailing onto danger". A good protection against thieves too.
Fair point and good advice. Sadly accidents/collisions teach us things. While legally the fisherman has accepted blame there are lessons for sure that cruisers coming to Japan should take heed of.
I may do a video in the future with other sailors in Japan what guidelines we suggest for cruisers coming to Japan to not only avert accidents but also help Japanese communities and authorities feel comfortable and confident in welcoming cruisers. There are also efforts in Japan to educate port authorities etc as to expectations of incoming cruisers and what they are used to doing elsewhere. Mutual understand will help in the future
I think this video shouldn’t have been made really. So you met up with them then you post about them. I’m sure they loved that, and now probably see that meet up as disingenuous.
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment. As I said in the video the message was in response to the many messages and comments asking me and others here for info. The video is focused on them and the increasing number of cruisers coming your way Japan. Many reach out before they come for advice as SLV did. I was happy to oblige as I do with others. They asked to do a segment with me which I also agreed to. I am part of a small community of sailors in Japan keen on promoting Japan but also wanting to covey the peculiarities of sailing in Japan. Anchoring is one of them.
Glad that SLV has posted their video giving an account what happened … accidents happen
As least Japan still has a fishing industry, unlike the UK which gave its fishing grounds away to the EU.
cant really comment on the EU and the issues there, but yes the fishing industry in Japan is well ingrained, and not just the big industrial operations, but the hundreds of ports where local fishermen and those with aqua farms work hard every day to feed their families, communities and the nation and to keep local economies alive. Thanks for watching and taking time to comment
Without watching this whats rhe summary. They sailed into floating junk or container ship what?????
They posted on fb an initial report. My video is intended to give an insight into the fishing culture in Japan as a help to cruisers considering come to Japan. In short, as they reported, a fishing vessel hit them in the middle of night. They have a video coming out soon where they will share what happened . I wish them the best and grateful they came to Japan. So sad the accident happened
Best wishes to you, too 😁
thanks
Thank you.
Sounds like Japan is like a few other countries I know, Greece for one fishermen out in their small boats at all hours of day and night trying to make a living and tourists boats all over the place and a lot are lacking experience and local knowledge for a particular culture or place it takes time to understand this knowledge. The poor fisherman probably doesn’t realise it but the worst thing he’s done is he pricked their ego in not identifying that they were there. Sure there will be a bit of damage to the boat but that’s easy to fix and it’s only an attachment doesn’t sound like any human was damaged just the ego and that’s an attachment as well so no real problems they’ll just have to put out a few more UA-cam videos to help pay for it. Cheers like your Yacht Your Attachment not mine I spent my time at sea and it was a great experience.
Thanks for watching and taking time to comment. I read it with interest
They need to be locked up in my opinion.
As someone who has lived in Japan in the past, the arrogance of outsiders who don't bother to learn local customs, then complain about it, never ceases to amazes me.
After 27 year despite trying and going to school three times, my language ability still `sucks` but understanding cultural nuances goes along way to fitting inm discovering hidden riches and making last friendships. Has someone who has lived in Japan I know you understand too and appreciate how unique japan is in various ways. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment
Why didn’t they have an anchor watch? They had the crew for it. It’s just proper/good seamanship. Sailboats constantly prove they are their own worst enemies when it comes to proper seamanship.
Thanks for watching and apologies for the delayed response. Of course I cannot answer the question, only La Vagabond can. That being said, La Vagabond were legally anchored and had their lights on. The fishing boat that struck them was in the wrong, and accepted responsiblity as did the Fishing Coop through which the insurance organized. The Coast guard concurred and stated so in their report. Sadly it was an accident and as with all accidents lessons to be learned
@ all you wrote is true. It’s just that as a veteran marine engineer of large commercial vessels and motor yachts I find sail boaters usually do the absolute bare minimum when it comes to safety and it’s infuriating to me.
Never mind where you are fisherman are fanous for not to keep a proper look out and Japan is there worst place of all.
true
Yacht anchor lights are a joke. Leave your LED spreader lights on. We've been doing it for a decade.
Good idea
@@PacificSolo thanks! I don't understand why more sailors don't do it. LEDs don't use much power. I started doing this when a friend's yacht was hit by a small speedboat (thundercat) at night. She came up to see the boat sitting there with the engine running and no one around. The next day the police found two bodies under the yacht.
No way in heck I'd want to go there. Rather go where very few people are. So many nice places to go without all that stress.
And of the 70 ports I have been to so far, I have been the only one or very few others. I love sailing remote Japan. I avoid busy fishing ports
I hope the fisherman is ok
I believe so
I stopped watching at the they are genuine people also, you lost credibility right away
Well thanks for watching that far anyways taking time to comment. We all have our opinion and mine is based on being with them while try are off camera …
I stopped watching when you stated how genuine they are.. . LOL! About as non genuine as any YT channel there is. Glad they are OK and am sure they will monetize this event to no end.
Haha … well I’m only passing on my observation having spent time with them when they first arrived in Japan … they were the same off camera as on camera … enjoyed my time with them and also the crew they had who visited my boat separately for drinks … I can’t speak for your encounters with SLV … personally for me…. It was great and as far as them monetizing their content … more power to them as it makes their lifestyle and channel sustainable … good on them .
@@PacificSolo Some people are just salty that others can make money by making videos on UA-cam. Why wouldn't they document the accident and make a video about it? I'm interested. I'll watch it.
I've met Riley and Elayna too and they seemed amazing.
@@Chris-zo5zethanks for watching!
@Chris-zo5ze probably holding off just in case it could stir up legal issues or jeopardise they time there.
@@Chris-zo5ze video being realised later today, according to Riley on Sea People.
This guy says a lot and then repeats and then repeats some more. So many words that go nowhere!
`` this guy` ;) is responding to those interested in cruising to Japan and have been asking whether anchoring is legal and whats up with Japan fishermen. Yep, I repeat and I am not all that good on camera etc, but wanting to get the message across for those to whom in matters, the small but growing number of cruisers considering coming to Japan. For those folks, I trust it is helpful to have the simple points made. Thanks for watching
6 minutes in and nothing of value besides it's legal
Thanks for watching and if that is your takeaway then that is good. My aim is to reassure cruisers contemplating coming to Japan.
Don't listen to this guy. He told vegabond where to anchor, and then they get hit...
waste of a video. you gave zero advice about what to do if cruising or anchoring to avoid a similar incident.
Well, thanks for watching anyway. The purpose was to make a singular point: anchoring is legal, but not every common place. Regarding advice, if you are coming to Japan, the general consensus is DON`T ANCHOR overnight. This is the expectation by local boaters and fishermen, and besides, it`s when at the dock you meet people and have the real adventure of being in Japan and experiencing local life. Plus, in most cases, it is free or very, very cheap. I have moored in 70 ports so far, and I have seldom paid anything. Only in marinas do I pay. If you anchor, then be sure you are far from any port entrance and aqua farming and that you are lit up like a Christmas tree.
This is at least the third seirous issues,incident, or thing they have had with that stupid multi billion super carbon trimaran, why put your children at risk? You could've gotten just another catamaran...you know I fear for their childrens safety
I expect in their upcoming video they will share about the damage to the boat.
I bet their shit is all over patreon but they don't give shit about a quick up date for anyone else. 👎
It’s their story to tell and they will share I am sure in due course. To be violently awakened in the middle of the night with young children on board certainly would be unsettling … for me at least.