I'm new at this and don't yet have a D.I. or a loader box but at least now I know how they are used in the signal chain and I thank you for that. This is the best video that I have come across that explain in detail the signal chain for use with NAM.
Two small critique, your mic was a little low in comparison to say the end music that doubled in volume. Second, I didn't see a buymeacoffee or anything, I think you totally deserve something for all your work. Otherwise this was an excellent tutorial, and thank you, I have some gear I want to do soon. One question in your opinion, is the 1000 epochs worth it? I know your stuff sounds a few, notches above most other captures, so was questioning if that had to do with it? Anyways, thanks again amazing captures, and can't wait to see more content.
I really appreciate your feedback! 😃 For high gain, I think above 800 epochs is probably not needed. I went with 1000 epochs cause it’s more 😎 It didn’t feel right to ask for coffee until I got some good feedback for what I’m doing. I may add a coffee link very soon 🙏
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Awesome stuff. Yeah that coffee link would be well deserved. You have the most detailed amp rigs I have ever seen, not just in terms of sound quality, but in your capture methods. Its basically every knob turn you could ever wish for. I have an ADA rack and some Blackstar tube preamp (and other) pedals that I want profile as well, and I think I will be using your method of knob turning to do it. :)
@@lorenmorgan1931I have owned many tube amps.I always like to know what 555 sounds like on any amp. I like to push cleaner channels to the max and see what they can do. Many amps sound good with knobs at 10. After that I try to find a comfortable place for the presence and look for a high mids tone and a scooped tone. Then I try to find a one of setting that sounds balanced. Some amps have commons settings that everyone tries. I do some research and provide those too. For example 666 on 5150s. Thats how I go about knob turning. But like I said, I have used many real amps and enjoy the process of finding sounds 🤘
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar 555 is pretty much raw preamp with no tone. When playing live I always slotted an EQ rack into the FX loop and sculpted the tone that way with everything on 5. On occasion I would roll back the bass though if the venue was smaller and was giving me too much bass response. But yea, I get you on the sweet spot. When I do my Blackstar pedals, like the HT-Dual I will start out 555 and go knob turning. The bigger issue with the Blackstar is that damn ISF knob that makes the gainstage act like British (Marshall) one way and a American (Mesa/Fender) gain circuit the other way. What is cool is the blending of the characteristics of the two types of circuits. I used the dual for a ton of gigs straight into a poweramp, and the emulated load out straight into the board for shows they didnt want to mic, and it did an incredible job.
Thank you! I just made an edit in description but basically decided not to use my di box for this video for simplicity and didn’t change input 1 type to instrument. 🤦🏻♂️ no biggie though. Process is still the same for capturing 🤘 and yesss, I’m thinking levels video.
Hey Obi, thanks for this video. I had a question and willing to pay for this advice. I am currently trying to make a model of my Neve 1073. We are using a DI box, and out of the DI into the 1073. All things being equal, we keep getting an error message saying “Your gear doesnt sound like itself when played twice!” Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance!
It could be that the Neve 1073 is doing some sort of compression or dynamics that the trainer can't replicate. Try using the ignore quality checks and see what type of results you get. I'm curious. Also, there is a NAM Facebook official group with a very knowledgeable community that can help troubleshoot issues like this. The creator of NAM is there as well and chimes in all the time on questions like this. 🤘
Do you mean the preamp and IR combined into 1 NAM file? If so, yes you can. Check out my full rif tutorial for NAM. Same idea but with IR instead of real cab. ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.html
What sample buffer size is your audio interface? I can not train with the captured data yet. num said "Your recording setup is really noisy". End esr does not become smaller.
My buffer size is 64. Try using version 1 of the trainer file and see if it works. You can also disable the quality checks in NAM trainer and check ESR. What ESR are you getting?
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thanks. ESRs: Start : 5.263306593406014e-05 End : 1.6437739133834839 When I ignore quality check , then occur other errors. nam.data.AudioShapeMismatchError: Mismatched shapes. Expected (9168000, 1), but this is (9172000, 1)! ValueError: Your audio files aren't the same shape as each other! * The input is 0:03:11 and 0 samples long * The output is 0:03:11 and 4000 samples long I will try v1_1_1.wav later.
@warp95 the error is telling you that the captured wav file is 4000 samples longer. Make sure it is the exact same length as the trainer file. That should take care of it
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thanks. I use Studio one 5 auto punch like your video. What are the settings for quantize, timebase samples, and snap frames? How can I make two audio files have exactly the same length?
@@warp95 awesome yes. Auto punch is the way. Put the trainer file and the captured file on the same timeline and zoom in at the end. Trim capture file to match trainer file. Make sure studio one is not time stretching the trainer file on import.
You would need to convert your line level output from interface to instrument level so it hits the amp with the levels the amp expects to see. I believe you can use a guitar pedal with ab buffer as a “reamp box”. You don’t need a capture box if you’re going to mic your amp. You would just create a Full Rig capture. I just released a video showing the process with a mic to create a Full Rig: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.htmlsi=LWPyR6GVs7RLj4yA
Hi there 👋 thanks for your comment. This is actually a good idea for a follow up video on how to capture a full rig. Give me a couple days and I’ll have it up. Thank you, this is really a good suggestion.
Yes! Feel free to experiment. There may be some issues with sharing those on ToneHunt for legal reasons, but shouldn't be an issue for personal use. Not an expert on that end. Give it a try though 🤘
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thank you for response. I had a problem to begin training - there was something wrong with output file. What I was doing wrong was NOT TURNING OFF NOISE GATE on my vst chain 🙂. You made a good point about legal reasons cause I thought about uploading profiles to Tonehunt. Not to share them but rather store them for my self in proper place. But I guess I have to reconsider... Anyway - THANK YOU for Your reply and great NAM tutorials.
You can make a full rig with just an audio interface and a mic. No need for a load box. You can use a buffer pedal as reamp box or go directly from interface to amp but you may have to experiment with send levels. Check out my how to make a full rig capture video: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.html
Anaconda prompt is a command line interface that allows you to run the NAM trainer. You would need to set that up first. You basically install Anaconda and then run a command to install NAM. Here is the official link to setting that up: ua-cam.com/video/DFWVvJx1Cfs/v-deo.htmlsi=uK7rGp6dOPGArAaS
I think you can use that DI box in reverse to make it work like reamp box. I just did a quick search and saw that it “ transforms high impedance signal to allow impedance signal and vice versa” give it a try
Check out the follow up video on setting your levels: ua-cam.com/video/q_q2pOVK2dg/v-deo.html
Your pace and patience is appreciated master Obi-Juan. Exciting stuff, good times.
And I appreciate you watching 🙏 May the tones be you and always😎
they may, they may indeed master @@Obi-Juan_Guitar
capture ignition incoming, epocs will dance till dawn
@@everythingisopen oh man 😂 don’t forget about Juan Solo
I'm new at this and don't yet have a D.I. or a loader box but at least now I know how they are used in the signal chain and I thank you for that. This is the best video that I have come across that explain in detail the signal chain for use with NAM.
I’m glad it’s helpful! Thanks for watching 🤘
Two small critique, your mic was a little low in comparison to say the end music that doubled in volume. Second, I didn't see a buymeacoffee or anything, I think you totally deserve something for all your work. Otherwise this was an excellent tutorial, and thank you, I have some gear I want to do soon.
One question in your opinion, is the 1000 epochs worth it? I know your stuff sounds a few, notches above most other captures, so was questioning if that had to do with it? Anyways, thanks again amazing captures, and can't wait to see more content.
I really appreciate your feedback! 😃 For high gain, I think above 800 epochs is probably not needed. I went with 1000 epochs cause it’s more 😎
It didn’t feel right to ask for coffee until I got some good feedback for what I’m doing. I may add a coffee link very soon 🙏
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Awesome stuff. Yeah that coffee link would be well deserved. You have the most detailed amp rigs I have ever seen, not just in terms of sound quality, but in your capture methods. Its basically every knob turn you could ever wish for. I have an ADA rack and some Blackstar tube preamp (and other) pedals that I want profile as well, and I think I will be using your method of knob turning to do it. :)
@@lorenmorgan1931I have owned many tube amps.I always like to know what 555 sounds like on any amp. I like to push cleaner channels to the max and see what they can do. Many amps sound good with knobs at 10. After that I try to find a comfortable place for the presence and look for a high mids tone and a scooped tone. Then I try to find a one of setting that sounds balanced. Some amps have commons settings that everyone tries. I do some research and provide those too. For example 666 on 5150s. Thats how I go about knob turning. But like I said, I have used many real amps and enjoy the process of finding sounds 🤘
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar 555 is pretty much raw preamp with no tone. When playing live I always slotted an EQ rack into the FX loop and sculpted the tone that way with everything on 5. On occasion I would roll back the bass though if the venue was smaller and was giving me too much bass response. But yea, I get you on the sweet spot. When I do my Blackstar pedals, like the HT-Dual I will start out 555 and go knob turning. The bigger issue with the Blackstar is that damn ISF knob that makes the gainstage act like British (Marshall) one way and a American (Mesa/Fender) gain circuit the other way. What is cool is the blending of the characteristics of the two types of circuits. I used the dual for a ton of gigs straight into a poweramp, and the emulated load out straight into the board for shows they didnt want to mic, and it did an incredible job.
@@lorenmorgan1931right on. Some amps sound like crap at 555 though. Mesa Mark series with bass higher than 1 or 2 with gain is a flub fest. 😂
Thanks for this nice video . now I understand
@@alecse5478 awesome! Glad it was helpful
Great video! I would like to see a video on levels. And your focusrite control and level setup
Thank you! I just made an edit in description but basically decided not to use my di box for this video for simplicity and didn’t change input 1 type to instrument. 🤦🏻♂️ no biggie though. Process is still the same for capturing 🤘 and yesss, I’m thinking levels video.
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar 😄
Your profiles are great!
@@StrongBornBullies2so are yours 🙏
Follow up video on how to capture Full Rig is up now: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.htmlsi=BCwUSYeGEirricir
Hey Obi, thanks for this video. I had a question and willing to pay for this advice. I am currently trying to make a model of my Neve 1073. We are using a DI box, and out of the DI into the 1073. All things being equal, we keep getting an error message saying “Your gear doesnt sound like itself when played twice!” Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance!
It could be that the Neve 1073 is doing some sort of compression or dynamics that the trainer can't replicate. Try using the ignore quality checks and see what type of results you get. I'm curious. Also, there is a NAM Facebook official group with a very knowledgeable community that can help troubleshoot issues like this. The creator of NAM is there as well and chimes in all the time on questions like this. 🤘
Its possible convert IR preamp wav files to NAM Files? Exist a convert to made this process?
Do you mean the preamp and IR combined into 1 NAM file? If so, yes you can. Check out my full rif tutorial for NAM. Same idea but with IR instead of real cab. ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.html
What sample buffer size is your audio interface?
I can not train with the captured data yet.
num said "Your recording setup is really noisy". End esr does not become smaller.
My buffer size is 64. Try using version 1 of the trainer file and see if it works. You can also disable the quality checks in NAM trainer and check ESR. What ESR are you getting?
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thanks.
ESRs:
Start : 5.263306593406014e-05
End : 1.6437739133834839
When I ignore quality check , then occur other errors.
nam.data.AudioShapeMismatchError: Mismatched shapes. Expected (9168000, 1), but this is (9172000, 1)!
ValueError: Your audio files aren't the same shape as each other!
* The input is 0:03:11 and 0 samples long
* The output is 0:03:11 and 4000 samples long
I will try v1_1_1.wav later.
@warp95 the error is telling you that the captured wav file is 4000 samples longer. Make sure it is the exact same length as the trainer file. That should take care of it
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thanks.
I use Studio one 5 auto punch like your video.
What are the settings for quantize, timebase samples, and snap frames?
How can I make two audio files have exactly the same length?
@@warp95 awesome yes. Auto punch is the way. Put the trainer file and the captured file on the same timeline and zoom in at the end. Trim capture file to match trainer file. Make sure studio one is not time stretching the trainer file on import.
Can I do interface output directly to the amp and then record with a mic? Cuz I don’t have any other gear
You would need to convert your line level output from interface to instrument level so it hits the amp with the levels the amp expects to see. I believe you can use a guitar pedal with ab buffer as a “reamp box”. You don’t need a capture box if you’re going to mic your amp. You would just create a Full Rig capture. I just released a video showing the process with a mic to create a Full Rig: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.htmlsi=LWPyR6GVs7RLj4yA
If you have a pedal, watch this video that goes over how to use a Boss pedal as reamp box: ua-cam.com/video/-xHxmveCUEQ/v-deo.htmlsi=TwI11tfsZd80Vp7u
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thank you! I’ll check out the video
I own combo amps how do you capture full rigs amp with speaker the whole darn thing?
Hi there 👋 thanks for your comment. This is actually a good idea for a follow up video on how to capture a full rig. Give me a couple days and I’ll have it up. Thank you, this is really a good suggestion.
As promised, here is the video on how to do a Full Rig Capture: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.htmlsi=BCwUSYeGEirricir
Hello. Is it possible to capture a vst chain not a real amp? For example a BOSS HM2 VST + some AMP SIM?
Yes! Feel free to experiment. There may be some issues with sharing those on ToneHunt for legal reasons, but shouldn't be an issue for personal use. Not an expert on that end. Give it a try though 🤘
@@Obi-Juan_Guitar Thank you for response. I had a problem to begin training - there was something wrong with output file. What I was doing wrong was NOT TURNING OFF NOISE GATE on my vst chain 🙂. You made a good point about legal reasons cause I thought about uploading profiles to Tonehunt. Not to share them but rather store them for my self in proper place. But I guess I have to reconsider... Anyway - THANK YOU for Your reply and great NAM tutorials.
im in mac. i download anaconda and i cannot open the trainer. I get the anaconda browser
A ver si en el grupo de Facebook te pueden ayudar con la mac. Yo uso Windows
how to do this with an audo interface only?
You can make a full rig with just an audio interface and a mic. No need for a load box. You can use a buffer pedal as reamp box or go directly from interface to amp but you may have to experiment with send levels. Check out my how to make a full rig capture video: ua-cam.com/video/-ufhZVJr700/v-deo.html
What is anaconda promt ??
Anaconda prompt is a command line interface that allows you to run the NAM trainer. You would need to set that up first. You basically install Anaconda and then run a command to install NAM. Here is the official link to setting that up: ua-cam.com/video/DFWVvJx1Cfs/v-deo.htmlsi=uK7rGp6dOPGArAaS
can i use a DOD 260 direct box???
I think you can use that DI box in reverse to make it work like reamp box. I just did a quick search and saw that it “ transforms high impedance signal to allow impedance signal and vice versa” give it a try