I will say, the rumors about Bakkesmod being a problem in the future aren't an issue. Rocket League partners with Bakkesmod for functionality during RLCS broadcasts, and it's more likely any dll injections will just be hard blocked during online play. So at the very worst, goodbye to custom items, mmr on scoreboard etc in online servers
@@WaytonPilkin 3:47 And I bet RL Racing will be the "beta test" for eventually moving the original yo UE 5.2+ 😎 EDIT: 5:31 Of course they will do it. UE5 just needs to be in a more mature state, for performance reasons (graphics, latencies, net-code).
The most upsetting part for me personally was that I had made a climb in skill from c1-c3 in the last few weeks of the season and I was hoping to make my first push for GC and now I'm back to where I started in the previous season without actually getting any worse.
Also note that it was in the last week of the season where you probably didn't make one skill jump and rather that the people better than you outpaced your rank and you won into the higher divisions because of it. That's what happens at the end of every season when it's much easier to rank. All you need to do is continue to improve and you will rank up. Comparing about mmr compression is only bad for you. I personally wish I had ended up more compressed, I should have to prove that I can rank up and I should actually hit lobbies with people noticably better than me, unlike in normal ranked when even smurfs really aren't that much better than a GC2 unless they're high GC3 and there really aren't that many of those
I’m actually so glad you took the time to explain what was happening with the MMR this season. I ended last season at Champ 1 Div 3 and I am now sitting at Diamond 1 Div 4. I was losing my mind about how I could have possibly dropped so far.
@@noahCohen2 same! It’s pretty frustrating and completely took my motivation to play away. It’s like, we worked so hard to get to where we are to now have to climb all the way back.
A harsh reset was way too much to do without any announcement of it happening prior to the season starting. What they should do is just slowly increase the amount of mmr your lose in 2s each season until it's the same as the other playlists, then no one would complain. Doing drastic changes like that just makes us question Pysonix and it makes us think they have no idea what they are doing. Also I felt like I was finally making progress towards finally reaching GC 2 and being pushed back so far this season was highly annoying in trying to achieve my aims for this season.
This already happens if you are losing more than you are winning. The opposite also happens if you are winning more than you are losing. Most people are where they should be so they won't see drastic jumps either way.
It does suck, but the fact that they never changed the amount you lose made the rank inflation really bad so this was really the only solution for now.
I have an idea just like codm which has 7 total ranks let's suppose if a player is max rank (7) then his next season rank would be 3rd rank similarly if a player had 6th rank then his next season rank would be the 2nd rank so if a player is ssl the game should put him in plat next season and if the player is gc then his rank would be gold and so on
@@chancetokubo I think it's less to do with inflation and more to do with the community just getting better. 1s, 2s, and 3s are completely different game modes with drastically different dynamics. It makes sense that people will be better in team based modes than 1s because teammatws can cover each other. 3s is a harder mode to play so it makes sense that 2s has a higher MMR. All this change will do is delay the inevitable, which is that the disparity will come back. Same for adjusting the gain/loss. What really needs to happen is they need to adjust the thresholds and make Bronze and Silver more relevant.
The change made me quit the game. I spent weeks in the previous season solo queueing to get to champ 2 for the first time on the night the season changed. The next day I came on to find myself in d2. All the headaches, the stress of breaking through out of that division of ball chasers was for nothing, wiped away in an instant. (i had been diamond for over 18 months). During the time before the revert happened I tried to play and get back up. The playlists were abysmal. C3 opponents and d2 team mates. There's only so much you can do. So by the time the revert came I was in D1. It put me back to champ but the lobbies seem the same, completely mismatched skill levels meaning it was impossible to get any kind of winning run going, so i dropped from Champ again, and 2bh I can't see the point anymore. Terrible decision.
Its tough. Although i dont mind the idea of balancing out the ranks so that "C1" means the same thing across the board, I have been consistently getting better for the last couple years and this feels like a slap in the face. I reached Champs which felt like a decent achievement, then made it into maintaining C2. Now my duo partner and I are teetering on the edge of D3 and C1, meanwhile i feel like the best I've ever been.
I’ve actually seen a wide variety of MMR drops in twos. Both me and one of my friends only dropped about 100, (from GC1/C3 to C2) while most of my other friends dropped 200-300 (from GC1/C3 to C1). The interesting thing is that both accounts that dropped only 100 were similar ranks in twos and threes (around 1350) while the others were about 100-200 below there twos MMR.
8:08 i do agree with it too i was the same rank as you and dropped to c2 div4 after almost winning all but i think its fun the only bad thing is that there's actual c2's in c2 (i know it sounds weird but after a rank reset everyone should be lower) so the games are so luck based you can get a ssl or a normal c2 same with opponents
The rank thing happens in lower levels too, I'm D3 in 2v2, D2 in 3v3, and have been mid plat in 1v1, sometimes getting beat by clearly champion level players. The last couple of days I got close to D1 tough, so maybe its working
1 day before season reset I was playing comp 2 ( I’m a champ) and my opponents were 2 straight up bronze but players they couldn’t do anything except drive in circles so I imagine they used a bot to climb up but idk and it was a weird interaction considering Physonix banned bots
I feel like Rocket League Racing is just Rocket League 2 (made with Unreal Engine 5). Maybe the fact that it's been 2 years means they are almost done (please)
i grinded so hard to get gc2 last season. but getting dropped to low champ 2 just made me lose all motivation to try and get back. the rank drift between game modes is just because way more people play 2s
This change was so annoying because I am a 2's main, teetering on the edge of champ 1 and was hopeful to make the final push this season. But because of the 2v2 mmr shift, I went from D3 Div 3 to Plat 2. And even with the added mmr I'm still only diamond 1 div 3. They made a bs decision and didn't make up for it.
Cry more.. why does it matter? Oh it sounds cooler to say "I'm champ" rather than "I'm diamond" but if you're stuck at a level that's only a few wins or losses between the two then you gotta just level up your gameplay. I'm in the same boat, d3. If I get dropped down to d1 after my placements I don't care.
I'm not going to lie. The ones I've seen complaining the most about the reset are the ones that didn't belong in that rank in the first place and were boosted or carried 😂
There's also a huge problem, the disconnected bar appears a little bit often than usual. I've played two ranked which suprise suprise got me disconnected. If you high ranked players say it's a "skill issue" It's not all about that topic. People like me constantly try to defend while our 2 teamates challenge on 1 opponent, which ruins my development as well as decreasing the rank.
I hated the lowered MMR it pissed me off, Im mid diamond and constantly find low-mid champ players now, over the past couple days it has been getting better as they rank out but its just one more thing that makes beginning of season shitty
And idk how but my tournament rank is now also plat. Bc I’m lagging in many maps. Do you guys also lag ? I’m lagging in all the forbidden temples, dead eye canyon, souverin highs and .. yes that are all
I went from GC to C1 from the reset. Here’s my view on it; all GC1s are in C1, if you are to move in C2+ that just means you’re more like a GC2. Basically, had they have kept the harsh reset, champion would be the new GC and that would cause every rank below it to be lowered as well. It was definitely fine the way it was before. I’m goad they gave us our MMR back.
Whats nuts is i went from c2 in dropshot to gc2 in it and i havent even completed the placements yet. Ive also never been gc in it before so ill take that free title lmao. Same with snowday went from d3 to c2. Now im c3 once again free title. I think it helps way more in the forgotten modes because everyone is getting obliterated in the champ or diamond ranks by ssls and high gc players, when it should be in gc/ssl like normal
Now I understand why my screen would show the disconnected thing, it would annoy me SOOO MUCH. I couldnt focus with that stupid disconnect thing on my screen
I agree with you about the rank displacement. Last season, I was Diamond 1 division 1 and at the start of my placements, I was ranked Platinum 3 division 3 and after winning 8 of my placement games, I again landed on Diamond 1 division 1.
About the 2s MMR : I prefer that they reverted it, because it would have been very demotivating to place under GC considering I've been GC consistently for the past 4 seasons. That's just MY opinion.
@@shivameverson2304 I mean if they drop every GCs mmr by 300 then it changes the meaning of being GC. I went from GC1 to c1 when they initially did the reset and the c1 lobbies were some reallll sweaty lobbies because I was playing against other GCs who were dropped that low as well. Then you had GC3s who were among the top few thousand players in the world fall in to c3-GC1 so I don’t think it’s a matter of being good enough for GC
@@GautRL The weirdest thing is how the people in GC2 and GC3 were also dropped to c2-c3. It is really discouraging to play against someone with 10k hours in the game
As someone who works and studies, I don't really have that much time to grind ranked to get gc rewards locked in. I hit gc2 for the first time last season, and the ranked change has dropped me down to C3. What's worse is that all the pro players in OCE are also at C3 / GC1, which will make it infinitely harder to lock in GC rewards. Genuinely tempted to not play at all this season.
I was 1640 last season and I agree with the mmr change, BUT it feels to me that lower ranked players got affected less somehow? All of my games on day 1 of the season had low gcs/c3 from last season players on my team and on the opposition team, I feel like if everyone got reset the same amount they wouldn't be in my lobbies.
I both think the rank reset are good and bad, its good because u get closer ranks, but its bad because now that I have done my placement matches and are back in Diamond 2 im always playing with champs that havent playd their placements.
@morten pedersen The real issue for me at least, is that as a "peaking champ 3" at times, I'm not going to have fun against a gc 2. The skill gap is just too big. I'd just like to go against people of similar skill levels with realistic variance, not someone 2-3x better than me. I don't even find it close enough in skill level to learn much from, since I can't even touch the ball really without getting insta-dumpstered. If I go stomp some plats, I doubt they pick much either from that game.
@morten pedersen Yeah, I think this game is too high of a skill cap at higher ranks, including champ, to squish so aggressively. It causes serious gaps in skill differences that make the game unenjoyable. 300 mmr at higher ranks, is an insurmountable difference in skill and there is a large period of time the game becomes completely unenjoyable when this happens. You're allowed a different opinion of course.
Balancing 2s and 3s distributions is tricky because the bell shapes didn't evolve in the same way. -300 MMR was putting the peak of the bell curves around the same rank in 2s & 3s, but it was making GC+ ranks MUCH harder to reach in 2s compared to 3s. Basically, while GC1 would've stayed at around 0.5% of the playerbase in 3v3, it'd have become around 0.1% of the playerbase in 2v2 (and no, people would not have went back to their original rank in the span of a single season, because this time the whole playerbase was affected). I don't even think Psyonix went back on the decision because of people crying. From what I gathered from the community, most people were kinda grumpy but agreed the change was needed. I think Psyonix really just miscalibrated the reset initially and corrected to what they were aiming, which is basically getting a closer population distribution for the higher ranks while also getting closer peaks of the distribution. Not a perfect match, but an okay solution.
I agree. I feel like the reason 3s was lower for most people might be because they don’t play it as much. I’ve been gc1 in 2s the last couple seasons but never really touched 3s much so it sat around c2. Then last season I actually played consistently with 3s and also got gc1. So setting 2s back 300 mmr would just make it a completely different playlist and I think 3s would just become everyone’s highest, at least at the champ to GC ranks, which doesn’t really solve rank drift
What they should do with ranks is make it percentage based, for example you will get GC1 once you get in the top 1% of your playlist, instead of reaching a certain MMR.
Actually makes sense, but what happens if more than 1% of the player base get in top 1%? It’s more of a competition that way to be the highest rated player rather than having your own rank up journey.
the problem with the reset is that it hit people in different amounts. Some are still in their respected mmr and others gone down drastically. And it also depends highly from where you started. if you gone down from GC to C3 people can still play but if you dropped from c2 to d2 you are completely fu**ed to get back out of this :D
Great thing about rank playlists adjustment is also include special gamemodes. I'm c1 (i was c2 before reset) in 2s. I love dropshot, but highest i could get is plat 3 div 4, because there are a lot of gcs and high champs. But now with start of new season i menaged to get c1. I skipped whole diamond rank and now im the same rank in dropshot as i am in 2s. Thats definitely a good thing
I’m went from Champ2 to diamond2 and my friend who was 1 game off of GC got put in champ1, it’s just annoying how much you get put down after spending seasons to get to a rank just for it to be reset to what it was seasons ago
So it was not just me I stopped playing when I saw people doing double taps and flips in my rank only to go to the rocket league tracker and see they were 4 whole tiers above me last season
@@everyone1liesd459 yea, there was a c1 in my lobby doing like perfect air dribbles. i get that they wanted to make everyone equal, but it would be nice if they had kept everyone in their own rank. I also dont wanna be put back in plat (even if i kinda deserve to)
They probably had the stats to back up the revert on MMR hit. For ranks in general it's called an adjustment factor and that magic multiplier had to be adjusted to make ranks distributed 'better'. For each playlist they'd also need a population adjustment, that's why it's not a flat x% across the board. If it was the top 0.5% for every playlist, your least populated playlist would be the easiest to get GC in and your most populated playlist would be the hardest.
regarding bugs I had the spectator one again where you load into a normal match but can only see the filed and not interact, or even get to a menu to quit. I also noticed certain goal explosions are bogged on the new map with glitches when the ball is scored near the corners
As a 2’s player, I hated the rank reset. I am still dealing with GC’s! In C1! It is actually so annoying when I am trying to grind to C2 and get as much XP as I can to get the new items.
The rank reset was a breeze for me. I actually went up in rank. Partly because I decided to solo queue instead of playing with friends. I ended up in c2. I usually land in c1 after placements. Didn't bat an eye. I had no idea that they had a harsh reset lol
I was D2 in 3s in S10, and I got P2 rank in S11. The most scary thing is there is no escape from this rank now. The absolutely all matches are clown fiesta and nothing more. I'm really sad about this Psyonix decision. My goal for S11 was - get Champ rank in 3s. Now I wish to escape plats. Horrible.
1:54 HOLD IT. Put a massive asterisk on that. TAS is just a program where in specific frames you can create inputs and after saving it as a file, it can be replayed. Minecraft and Mario Kart Wii TASes go by this logic.
I think the rank disparity between game modes simply comes from people not playing those game modes. I don't grind 1s or 3s ever, so I'm C2 in 2s but like D2 is 1s and 2s. Same thing with the extra game modes
Exactly. There’s literally an option in the settings to turn the rank off for the extra modes. I was gold 1 in dropshot, now plat 1. This in turn raised my 1s rank too. So now my rank is still vastly different between modes it’s just lower across the board😂
The made the ranks not make any sense and that’s what ruins it for me, obvi I would suck at the modes I don’t play yet now I’m the same rank across the board🥲
The huge problem is the bug that make the circle of the ball disappeared, the arrow and the name tags on top of the players at a random point of the game
I was so happy to see the -300mmr, because in gc1/low gc2, we cannot trust our mates, and if i started my session with 5 looses or more, i played in this strange mmr, where one game is really hard, and the next one is just free win. But -150 is still ok, boosted gc1 are c3 now 😁
I also noticed that in dropshot me and a friend were given 200 MMR, because before D2 was 0.1% and now we are C2 and not a higher percentage compared to before even if we are higher rank
I agree with the reset. I got my 1s rank back instantly (which i main). But what I was noticing in my d2/d3 1s games: there were 1700mmr gc 2s players for the first time (not smurf accounts). I mean what are they doing there? what's worse is I was winning many of them so the ranks were clearly inflated over time. People are upset because they now can't get back there, failing to acknowledge they shouldn't have been that high in the first place.
I like the new way theyre doing it. My ranks were always quite weird. A few seasons ago i was almost diamond in 2's, but i was low gold (and even silver 3 sometimes) in 1's. Rn, im plat 2 in 3's, plat 3 in 2's, and gold 2 in 1's.
Hard resets are better. Slowly loosing rank because the math changed and now you have to win 55% of games just to maintain your rank is supper frustrating. Although if the distribution changes you now have to get better just to get back to your own rank which can be frustrating as well. The thing most people don't understand about rank is it is a moving target. If you were rank 1 5 years ago and had not gotten any better you would now be high diamond or low champ. This is more noticeable at the very top but it is just as true every where in the distribution. Every time you rank up someone else has to rank down. To do this you have to not only get better at the game but you have to get better at the game faster then other people. For example if multiple popular youtubers come out with a video on how to use bounce dribbling to get out of plat and 2 million plats see the video then bounce dribbling will no longer get you out of plat. You will need to learn bounce dribbling and how to defend bounce dribbling just to get out of plat.
At 5:55, there was actually also a similar issue with the S11 tournament titles. None of the titles were colored and there was only a single titles for every rank. (normally you have a 3x titles as well) Luckly for them I was able to report this before anyone was able to win 3 tournaments.
They didn't reverse anything, they messed up the formula. Some accounts lost 150 MMR while others 300. They had to fix the error, which they never admitted to making.
That MMR adjustment makes more sense -- 300 mmr decrease means there's SSL players in GC, GC players in Champ, and Champs in Diamond, and this game already has better diamond/champ players than the diamonds and champs from a year or so ago. Doesn't really matter that much, though. After a week or so everyone will have settled into their real rankings.
I don't feel like the MMR adjustment would change anything. Like the reason 2v2 was so infalted is because most people play 2v2 most of the time. I was c1 in 2s and in ones and 3s I'm around plat because I just haven't played those playlists in a while.
for me, my 3s rank is my worst cuz im in a lower rank so my tm8s are always bumping me in their journey to ball chase, and try to steal my goal but mess up the shot entirely.
So i thaught the rank reset was a pretty good thing. But i thaught 300 where too much. I am a 2s player main so i found it actually brutal cause you work many many many hours just to get set back your rank prozess by (me) 2 saisons. I know that it didnt reset my "work" cause im still as mechanical as in last saison, but my goal for rl is (right now) gc. I got c2 last saison btw. (Please excuse my english, im german.)❤
@@matejnovosad9152and I’m always hanging with them so does this mean I’m alr grand champ level if I’m champ 3 div 4 beating people with those gc titles alr?
I came back this season after a long break and it's constantly GCs in full solo queue lobbies either on opponent team clipping on us or on my team flaming everyone for not being on their skill level. Welp time to queue again and get slapped up lol
5:43 not only the challenge of it but i also highly doubt the physics would be the same if they switched. all the high ranked players would have to unlearn and relearn how to read the ball and do certain mechanics
I personally think that UE5 will eventually come to RL only that it'll probably take a little bit longer than anticipated to happen. Point of reference is to look at CS:GO, that game had its newer engine update (CS2) in more or less a decade. For the people who don't know, Valve (the developer of CS:GO) remade basically the entirety of the game into the source 2 engine (it was previously on source 1) and is now running a limited beta test. CS2 won't be a separate game but rather an update to CS:GO. So if we look at the timeframe, it isn't as big of a stretch to think that it'll probably take Psyonix another year or two to finally announce the UE5 update.
The rank thing is actually really good, I'm a d2 in 3s, and literally like 99% of my game lobby players are champs in 2s. So, me ranking up is a lot harder because my oppos are not actually d2.
Long time champ here. Over the past few seasons, both teammates and opponents are feeling a lot lower in skill. Super glad to have a cut back in MMR to stop cramming players into higher ranks.
I was wondering about that mmr thing when you started talking about it until you said it was reverted. Because I didn't get placed super low, but the game quality was noticeably better lower down than I'm used to. I think that change of mmr was a good idea, because nowadays gc 1 has too many people that would of been c3 in past seasons mmr wise.
The rank adjustments didn’t apply evenly, that’s why they rolled it back. Some people lost 300 mmr and some didn’t. I was one of the people who didn’t get a 300 mmr reset and was playing gc1s in champ.
This season is such a massive disappointment, there are no QoL features, nothing new other than cosmetics. It was just a few bug fixes and a change to season resets. I genuinely uninstalled the game for the first time after 8 years and I can't see myself going back any time soon tbh.
Diamond is just filled with champs now. I was C2 last season, even hit C3 for a short time, now I'm jittering between C1 and D3, and its gotten so much sweatier. I'd honestly say that D3 now is harder than C2 was last season.
I think a huge part of people being lower ranked in 1s than im 2s is just a matter of practice and different skill requirements. I love 1v1 and 2v2 but I don't enjoy 3v3, so 3v3 is by far my lowest playlist. My 1s and 2s rank are pretty much the same
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The most upsetting part for me personally was that I had made a climb in skill from c1-c3 in the last few weeks of the season and I was hoping to make my first push for GC and now I'm back to where I started in the previous season without actually getting any worse.
my situation exactly
well it should be easy to rank back up at least, as long as you stay dialed in. Me and my teammate ranked back in a day with that big reset.
I’m back to where I was after they made the readjustment 1 or 2 days after update. Back to mid GC1
No you haven't. The mmr just goes up eventually. If you play through the season like you always have, then you will go back to your normal rank
Also note that it was in the last week of the season where you probably didn't make one skill jump and rather that the people better than you outpaced your rank and you won into the higher divisions because of it. That's what happens at the end of every season when it's much easier to rank. All you need to do is continue to improve and you will rank up. Comparing about mmr compression is only bad for you.
I personally wish I had ended up more compressed, I should have to prove that I can rank up and I should actually hit lobbies with people noticably better than me, unlike in normal ranked when even smurfs really aren't that much better than a GC2 unless they're high GC3 and there really aren't that many of those
I’m actually so glad you took the time to explain what was happening with the MMR this season. I ended last season at Champ 1 Div 3 and I am now sitting at Diamond 1 Div 4. I was losing my mind about how I could have possibly dropped so far.
yeah I was D3 last season and now im plat 2 and almost quit just because of that
I'm still at champ maybe because I didn't lose any of my matches?
@@noahCohen2 same! It’s pretty frustrating and completely took my motivation to play away. It’s like, we worked so hard to get to where we are to now have to climb all the way back.
@@cagedcats2741 I’m happy for you
same i was c2 div 1 last season and i got placed at diamond 2 div 2 but i got back up to c1 now
A harsh reset was way too much to do without any announcement of it happening prior to the season starting. What they should do is just slowly increase the amount of mmr your lose in 2s each season until it's the same as the other playlists, then no one would complain. Doing drastic changes like that just makes us question Pysonix and it makes us think they have no idea what they are doing. Also I felt like I was finally making progress towards finally reaching GC 2 and being pushed back so far this season was highly annoying in trying to achieve my aims for this season.
This already happens if you are losing more than you are winning.
The opposite also happens if you are winning more than you are losing.
Most people are where they should be so they won't see drastic jumps either way.
It does suck, but the fact that they never changed the amount you lose made the rank inflation really bad so this was really the only solution for now.
I have an idea just like codm which has 7 total ranks let's suppose if a player is max rank (7) then his next season rank would be 3rd rank similarly if a player had 6th rank then his next season rank would be the 2nd rank so if a player is ssl the game should put him in plat next season and if the player is gc then his rank would be gold and so on
@@chancetokubo I think it's less to do with inflation and more to do with the community just getting better.
1s, 2s, and 3s are completely different game modes with drastically different dynamics. It makes sense that people will be better in team based modes than 1s because teammatws can cover each other. 3s is a harder mode to play so it makes sense that 2s has a higher MMR.
All this change will do is delay the inevitable, which is that the disparity will come back. Same for adjusting the gain/loss.
What really needs to happen is they need to adjust the thresholds and make Bronze and Silver more relevant.
@@LunaticSoldiers thanks, glad to hear that i am actually d3 div 4 rather than c3, where i was sitting at for 4 seasons
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The change made me quit the game. I spent weeks in the previous season solo queueing to get to champ 2 for the first time on the night the season changed. The next day I came on to find myself in d2. All the headaches, the stress of breaking through out of that division of ball chasers was for nothing, wiped away in an instant. (i had been diamond for over 18 months). During the time before the revert happened I tried to play and get back up. The playlists were abysmal. C3 opponents and d2 team mates. There's only so much you can do. So by the time the revert came I was in D1. It put me back to champ but the lobbies seem the same, completely mismatched skill levels meaning it was impossible to get any kind of winning run going, so i dropped from Champ again, and 2bh I can't see the point anymore. Terrible decision.
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Its tough. Although i dont mind the idea of balancing out the ranks so that "C1" means the same thing across the board, I have been consistently getting better for the last couple years and this feels like a slap in the face. I reached Champs which felt like a decent achievement, then made it into maintaining C2. Now my duo partner and I are teetering on the edge of D3 and C1, meanwhile i feel like the best I've ever been.
I’ve actually seen a wide variety of MMR drops in twos. Both me and one of my friends only dropped about 100, (from GC1/C3 to C2) while most of my other friends dropped 200-300 (from GC1/C3 to C1). The interesting thing is that both accounts that dropped only 100 were similar ranks in twos and threes (around 1350) while the others were about 100-200 below there twos MMR.
8:08 i do agree with it too i was the same rank as you and dropped to c2 div4 after almost winning all but i think its fun the only bad thing is that there's actual c2's in c2 (i know it sounds weird but after a rank reset everyone should be lower) so the games are so luck based you can get a ssl or a normal c2 same with opponents
Yeah.. was C2 (2v2) Now C2 again, but 3 other players have grand champ titles.
Yea I’m usually low gc and I feel like I faced such a wide variety of ranks in 2s so far
@@Naltcerbro was unranked 😮
@@TheTEN24fr it be c1s c2s c3s or gc1s
That's just how all early seasons work, the high ranked players getting placed low and having to stomp their way up. That will clear up eventually
Bakkesmod: *gets shutdown by Psyonix*
Lethamyr: *disappears*
This aged well
2s reset was brutal because I was champ 1 and got placed in plat 3 so I’ve had to grind just to get to Diamond 2 rn
That person balldashing and getting 30 resets is insane. Ive only gotten 3-5 at best but then again i dont use tas.
The rank thing happens in lower levels too, I'm D3 in 2v2, D2 in 3v3, and have been mid plat in 1v1, sometimes getting beat by clearly champion level players. The last couple of days I got close to D1 tough, so maybe its working
1 day before season reset I was playing comp 2 ( I’m a champ) and my opponents were 2 straight up bronze but players they couldn’t do anything except drive in circles so I imagine they used a bot to climb up but idk and it was a weird interaction considering Physonix banned bots
I feel like Rocket League Racing is just Rocket League 2 (made with Unreal Engine 5). Maybe the fact that it's been 2 years means they are almost done (please)
i grinded so hard to get gc2 last season. but getting dropped to low champ 2 just made me lose all motivation to try and get back. the rank drift between game modes is just because way more people play 2s
When the ranked reset happened and they tanked everyone's MMR... there's no way that they didn't think that the community wouldn't get mad about it.
I'm surprised people actually care this much
This change was so annoying because I am a 2's main, teetering on the edge of champ 1 and was hopeful to make the final push this season. But because of the 2v2 mmr shift, I went from D3 Div 3 to Plat 2. And even with the added mmr I'm still only diamond 1 div 3. They made a bs decision and didn't make up for it.
Cry more.. why does it matter? Oh it sounds cooler to say "I'm champ" rather than "I'm diamond" but if you're stuck at a level that's only a few wins or losses between the two then you gotta just level up your gameplay. I'm in the same boat, d3. If I get dropped down to d1 after my placements I don't care.
I'm not going to lie. The ones I've seen complaining the most about the reset are the ones that didn't belong in that rank in the first place and were boosted or carried 😂
There's also a huge problem, the disconnected bar appears a little bit often than usual. I've played two ranked which suprise suprise got me disconnected. If you high ranked players say it's a "skill issue" It's not all about that topic. People like me constantly try to defend while our 2 teamates challenge on 1 opponent, which ruins my development as well as decreasing the rank.
I'm not upset about the mmr thing. I actually like the fact, that the mmr in extramodes got up a little
In snowday...
And Dropshot was decent at least
Bro I got matched up against gc players for my first 5 games, lost all of them
I hated the lowered MMR it pissed me off, Im mid diamond and constantly find low-mid champ players now, over the past couple days it has been getting better as they rank out but its just one more thing that makes beginning of season shitty
I honestly thought that the disconnection bug was jus me but now I know that it happened to other people as well
Wasnt expecting to see my random tweet at the end of the video XD
Anyway great video Wayton!
Me who went from 2v2 GC, to diamond 3. + I was always MVP but still losing.
I Fell from C1 to plat 3 in 2s and in rumble I fell while playing from c1 to d2 bc I lost so much. And now I’m no where near to champ
My highest rank is now d1 in rumble and d1 in 3s -_-
And idk how but my tournament rank is now also plat. Bc I’m lagging in many maps. Do you guys also lag ? I’m lagging in all the forbidden temples, dead eye canyon, souverin highs and .. yes that are all
I went from GC to C1 from the reset. Here’s my view on it; all GC1s are in C1, if you are to move in C2+ that just means you’re more like a GC2. Basically, had they have kept the harsh reset, champion would be the new GC and that would cause every rank below it to be lowered as well. It was definitely fine the way it was before. I’m goad they gave us our MMR back.
Whats nuts is i went from c2 in dropshot to gc2 in it and i havent even completed the placements yet. Ive also never been gc in it before so ill take that free title lmao. Same with snowday went from d3 to c2. Now im c3 once again free title.
I think it helps way more in the forgotten modes because everyone is getting obliterated in the champ or diamond ranks by ssls and high gc players, when it should be in gc/ssl like normal
Now I understand why my screen would show the disconnected thing, it would annoy me SOOO MUCH. I couldnt focus with that stupid disconnect thing on my screen
I agree with you about the rank displacement. Last season, I was Diamond 1 division 1 and at the start of my placements, I was ranked Platinum 3 division 3 and after winning 8 of my placement games, I again landed on Diamond 1 division 1.
My 1s rank was 2 ranks higher than end of last season, after winning 6 placement
About the 2s MMR : I prefer that they reverted it, because it would have been very demotivating to place under GC considering I've been GC consistently for the past 4 seasons. That's just MY opinion.
But if you are actually good enough to be gc then it should not be a problem
@@shivameverson2304 such a braindead statement
@@shivameverson2304 I mean if they drop every GCs mmr by 300 then it changes the meaning of being GC. I went from GC1 to c1 when they initially did the reset and the c1 lobbies were some reallll sweaty lobbies because I was playing against other GCs who were dropped that low as well. Then you had GC3s who were among the top few thousand players in the world fall in to c3-GC1 so I don’t think it’s a matter of being good enough for GC
@@GautRL The weirdest thing is how the people in GC2 and GC3 were also dropped to c2-c3. It is really discouraging to play against someone with 10k hours in the game
@@karlomolnar2780 if I was gc 3 or gc 2 I would be angry
As someone who works and studies, I don't really have that much time to grind ranked to get gc rewards locked in. I hit gc2 for the first time last season, and the ranked change has dropped me down to C3. What's worse is that all the pro players in OCE are also at C3 / GC1, which will make it infinitely harder to lock in GC rewards. Genuinely tempted to not play at all this season.
I was 1640 last season and I agree with the mmr change, BUT it feels to me that lower ranked players got affected less somehow? All of my games on day 1 of the season had low gcs/c3 from last season players on my team and on the opposition team, I feel like if everyone got reset the same amount they wouldn't be in my lobbies.
I both think the rank reset are good and bad, its good because u get closer ranks,
but its bad because now that I have done my placement matches and are back in Diamond 2 im always playing with champs that havent playd their placements.
@morten pedersen its Just that then its hard to win, nothing else
@morten pedersen The real issue for me at least, is that as a "peaking champ 3" at times, I'm not going to have fun against a gc 2. The skill gap is just too big. I'd just like to go against people of similar skill levels with realistic variance, not someone 2-3x better than me. I don't even find it close enough in skill level to learn much from, since I can't even touch the ball really without getting insta-dumpstered. If I go stomp some plats, I doubt they pick much either from that game.
@morten pedersen Yeah, I think this game is too high of a skill cap at higher ranks, including champ, to squish so aggressively. It causes serious gaps in skill differences that make the game unenjoyable. 300 mmr at higher ranks, is an insurmountable difference in skill and there is a large period of time the game becomes completely unenjoyable when this happens. You're allowed a different opinion of course.
@morten pedersen I can promise that I will not be the best rocket league player to play the entire game haha
I got to diamond last season, and was only rewarded bronze and silver rewards. Definitely some kind of shenanigans going on.
Balancing 2s and 3s distributions is tricky because the bell shapes didn't evolve in the same way. -300 MMR was putting the peak of the bell curves around the same rank in 2s & 3s, but it was making GC+ ranks MUCH harder to reach in 2s compared to 3s. Basically, while GC1 would've stayed at around 0.5% of the playerbase in 3v3, it'd have become around 0.1% of the playerbase in 2v2 (and no, people would not have went back to their original rank in the span of a single season, because this time the whole playerbase was affected).
I don't even think Psyonix went back on the decision because of people crying. From what I gathered from the community, most people were kinda grumpy but agreed the change was needed. I think Psyonix really just miscalibrated the reset initially and corrected to what they were aiming, which is basically getting a closer population distribution for the higher ranks while also getting closer peaks of the distribution. Not a perfect match, but an okay solution.
I agree. I feel like the reason 3s was lower for most people might be because they don’t play it as much. I’ve been gc1 in 2s the last couple seasons but never really touched 3s much so it sat around c2. Then last season I actually played consistently with 3s and also got gc1. So setting 2s back 300 mmr would just make it a completely different playlist and I think 3s would just become everyone’s highest, at least at the champ to GC ranks, which doesn’t really solve rank drift
I always thought Trackmania but with RocketLeague controls would be fun.
That actually does sound sick. Track mania with wavedashes, flips, jumps, and the ability to control your car in the air? I’d play that extra mode.
Now this Rocket League Racing thing better exist cuz it does sound cool to me
What they should do with ranks is make it percentage based, for example you will get GC1 once you get in the top 1% of your playlist, instead of reaching a certain MMR.
Actually makes sense, but what happens if more than 1% of the player base get in top 1%? It’s more of a competition that way to be the highest rated player rather than having your own rank up journey.
me as a c2, got in plat 1
they all thought i was smurfing, when in reality this was just my fate
I wondered why I went from diamond 2 to plat 2
the problem with the reset is that it hit people in different amounts. Some are still in their respected mmr and others gone down drastically. And it also depends highly from where you started. if you gone down from GC to C3 people can still play but if you dropped from c2 to d2 you are completely fu**ed to get back out of this :D
Great thing about rank playlists adjustment is also include special gamemodes. I'm c1 (i was c2 before reset) in 2s. I love dropshot, but highest i could get is plat 3 div 4, because there are a lot of gcs and high champs. But now with start of new season i menaged to get c1. I skipped whole diamond rank and now im the same rank in dropshot as i am in 2s. Thats definitely a good thing
They should give more mmr to 1v1 instead of taking away mmr from 2v2
8:48 Well, the re-adjustment should have been -200 instead of -150 🙄😒
I’m went from Champ2 to diamond2 and my friend who was 1 game off of GC got put in champ1, it’s just annoying how much you get put down after spending seasons to get to a rank just for it to be reset to what it was seasons ago
the most annoying thing by far is the disconnect icon on the right man, that shit puts me in a coma whenever I'm playing
i was so confused when i got placed into plat 3, i guess everyone just got a rank change. i was playing against a last-season champ 1, too.
So it was not just me
I stopped playing when I saw people doing double taps and flips in my rank only to go to the rocket league tracker and see they were 4 whole tiers above me last season
@@everyone1liesd459 yea, there was a c1 in my lobby doing like perfect air dribbles. i get that they wanted to make everyone equal, but it would be nice if they had kept everyone in their own rank. I also dont wanna be put back in plat (even if i kinda deserve to)
They probably had the stats to back up the revert on MMR hit. For ranks in general it's called an adjustment factor and that magic multiplier had to be adjusted to make ranks distributed 'better'. For each playlist they'd also need a population adjustment, that's why it's not a flat x% across the board. If it was the top 0.5% for every playlist, your least populated playlist would be the easiest to get GC in and your most populated playlist would be the hardest.
Years ago I managed to get a penta reset accidentally by doing what was done at 2:13 before I'd ever managed even a normal double reset
regarding bugs I had the spectator one again where you load into a normal match but can only see the filed and not interact, or even get to a menu to quit. I also noticed certain goal explosions are bogged on the new map with glitches when the ball is scored near the corners
As a 2’s player, I hated the rank reset. I am still dealing with GC’s! In C1! It is actually so annoying when I am trying to grind to C2 and get as much XP as I can to get the new items.
The rank reset was a breeze for me. I actually went up in rank. Partly because I decided to solo queue instead of playing with friends. I ended up in c2. I usually land in c1 after placements. Didn't bat an eye. I had no idea that they had a harsh reset lol
I was D2 in 3s in S10, and I got P2 rank in S11.
The most scary thing is there is no escape from this rank now. The absolutely all matches are clown fiesta and nothing more.
I'm really sad about this Psyonix decision.
My goal for S11 was - get Champ rank in 3s. Now I wish to escape plats. Horrible.
It took me years to get to diamond 2 and im probably just back in plat now😢
1:54 HOLD IT. Put a massive asterisk on that. TAS is just a program where in specific frames you can create inputs and after saving it as a file, it can be replayed. Minecraft and Mario Kart Wii TASes go by this logic.
4:32 I guess it was a Fortnite thing💀
I think the rank disparity between game modes simply comes from people not playing those game modes. I don't grind 1s or 3s ever, so I'm C2 in 2s but like D2 is 1s and 2s. Same thing with the extra game modes
Exactly. There’s literally an option in the settings to turn the rank off for the extra modes. I was gold 1 in dropshot, now plat 1. This in turn raised my 1s rank too. So now my rank is still vastly different between modes it’s just lower across the board😂
The made the ranks not make any sense and that’s what ruins it for me, obvi I would suck at the modes I don’t play yet now I’m the same rank across the board🥲
Wayton is the wade plemons of rocket league
The huge problem is the bug that make the circle of the ball disappeared, the arrow and the name tags on top of the players at a random point of the game
I was so happy to see the -300mmr, because in gc1/low gc2, we cannot trust our mates, and if i started my session with 5 looses or more, i played in this strange mmr, where one game is really hard, and the next one is just free win. But -150 is still ok, boosted gc1 are c3 now 😁
I also noticed that in dropshot me and a friend were given 200 MMR, because before D2 was 0.1% and now we are C2 and not a higher percentage compared to before even if we are higher rank
I agree with the reset.
I got my 1s rank back instantly (which i main). But what I was noticing in my d2/d3 1s games: there were 1700mmr gc 2s players for the first time (not smurf accounts). I mean what are they doing there? what's worse is I was winning many of them so the ranks were clearly inflated over time. People are upset because they now can't get back there, failing to acknowledge they shouldn't have been that high in the first place.
I like the new way theyre doing it. My ranks were always quite weird. A few seasons ago i was almost diamond in 2's, but i was low gold (and even silver 3 sometimes) in 1's.
Rn, im plat 2 in 3's, plat 3 in 2's, and gold 2 in 1's.
The TAS thing is very true. Happens in a lot of speedrunning games
I had that disconnect bug, I was scared having anxiety thinking something was wrong with my PC.
Hard resets are better. Slowly loosing rank because the math changed and now you have to win 55% of games just to maintain your rank is supper frustrating. Although if the distribution changes you now have to get better just to get back to your own rank which can be frustrating as well.
The thing most people don't understand about rank is it is a moving target. If you were rank 1 5 years ago and had not gotten any better you would now be high diamond or low champ. This is more noticeable at the very top but it is just as true every where in the distribution. Every time you rank up someone else has to rank down. To do this you have to not only get better at the game but you have to get better at the game faster then other people. For example if multiple popular youtubers come out with a video on how to use bounce dribbling to get out of plat and 2 million plats see the video then bounce dribbling will no longer get you out of plat. You will need to learn bounce dribbling and how to defend bounce dribbling just to get out of plat.
The rank change took me from C2 to almost D1. Now I have a bunch of way lower skill level teammates while solo queuing.
At 5:55, there was actually also a similar issue with the S11 tournament titles.
None of the titles were colored and there was only a single titles for every rank. (normally you have a 3x titles as well)
Luckly for them I was able to report this before anyone was able to win 3 tournaments.
They didn't reverse anything, they messed up the formula. Some accounts lost 150 MMR while others 300. They had to fix the error, which they never admitted to making.
That MMR adjustment makes more sense -- 300 mmr decrease means there's SSL players in GC, GC players in Champ, and Champs in Diamond, and this game already has better diamond/champ players than the diamonds and champs from a year or so ago. Doesn't really matter that much, though. After a week or so everyone will have settled into their real rankings.
I don't feel like the MMR adjustment would change anything. Like the reason 2v2 was so infalted is because most people play 2v2 most of the time. I was c1 in 2s and in ones and 3s I'm around plat because I just haven't played those playlists in a while.
There is a bot named Jess with 8 ping and says gg after the match but I don’t think it’s in rocket league anymore
for me, my 3s rank is my worst cuz im in a lower rank so my tm8s are always bumping me in their journey to ball chase, and try to steal my goal but mess up the shot entirely.
u put so much effort into this , welldone
So i thaught the rank reset was a pretty good thing.
But i thaught 300 where too much.
I am a 2s player main so i found it actually brutal cause you work many many many hours just to get set back your rank prozess by (me) 2 saisons. I know that it didnt reset my "work" cause im still as mechanical as in last saison, but my goal for rl is (right now) gc.
I got c2 last saison btw.
(Please excuse my english, im german.)❤
They should have just adjusted 1s rank mmr and kept 2s and 3s the same... backwards if u ask me
My main problem with this is I was hoping to get gc1 this season finally, but now it is so far again
Yeah, I'm wondering if ranks could just be player percentage based or something.
they've already reset people's MMR back to what it should've been a few days ago
@@jeremy0828 I still get a lot of people with season 10 GC title in C2
@@matejnovosad9152yeah same
@@matejnovosad9152and I’m always hanging with them so does this mean I’m alr grand champ level if I’m champ 3 div 4 beating people with those gc titles alr?
I came back this season after a long break and it's constantly GCs in full solo queue lobbies either on opponent team clipping on us or on my team flaming everyone for not being on their skill level. Welp time to queue again and get slapped up lol
5:43 not only the challenge of it but i also highly doubt the physics would be the same if they switched. all the high ranked players would have to unlearn and relearn how to read the ball and do certain mechanics
When Wayton said that everyone's 1v1 rank is lower "in the dumps" than ur 2s or 3s rank. I am Plat 3 in 1s, Plat 1 in 2s and Silver in 3s😂
At the start i was outraged but then i thought "nice if i pass this rank i will play where i was originally without bad teammates
1:54 if you don’t know what TAS is, it is an acronym which means Tool Assisted
I personally think that UE5 will eventually come to RL only that it'll probably take a little bit longer than anticipated to happen. Point of reference is to look at CS:GO, that game had its newer engine update (CS2) in more or less a decade.
For the people who don't know, Valve (the developer of CS:GO) remade basically the entirety of the game into the source 2 engine (it was previously on source 1) and is now running a limited beta test. CS2 won't be a separate game but rather an update to CS:GO. So if we look at the timeframe, it isn't as big of a stretch to think that it'll probably take Psyonix another year or two to finally announce the UE5 update.
Bruh if rocket league racing will become a thing that will be pog
I hate that bakkesmod is gone bruh
I was Grand Champ last season, I even got the GC title, now I’m Champ2 div 2, I worked so hard to hit GC now I have to do it all again.
The rank thing is actually really good, I'm a d2 in 3s, and literally like 99% of my game lobby players are champs in 2s. So, me ranking up is a lot harder because my oppos are not actually d2.
Long time champ here. Over the past few seasons, both teammates and opponents are feeling a lot lower in skill. Super glad to have a cut back in MMR to stop cramming players into higher ranks.
I was wating for Your review since new season. Thanks. 👍🏻
I was wondering about that mmr thing when you started talking about it until you said it was reverted. Because I didn't get placed super low, but the game quality was noticeably better lower down than I'm used to. I think that change of mmr was a good idea, because nowadays gc 1 has too many people that would of been c3 in past seasons mmr wise.
Hard rank resets are necessary in keeping ranked ladder games fun. But people always complain when it happens.
im playing war thunder as i watch the vid. Must Feed Snail
The rank reseted so hard after terrible placement matches I dropped from d1 to plat 1
The rank adjustments didn’t apply evenly, that’s why they rolled it back. Some people lost 300 mmr and some didn’t. I was one of the people who didn’t get a 300 mmr reset and was playing gc1s in champ.
This season is such a massive disappointment, there are no QoL features, nothing new other than cosmetics. It was just a few bug fixes and a change to season resets. I genuinely uninstalled the game for the first time after 8 years and I can't see myself going back any time soon tbh.
The rank 'blending' was much needed. The waffling, not so much.
Looking forward to Season 12 drama.
Diamond is just filled with champs now. I was C2 last season, even hit C3 for a short time, now I'm jittering between C1 and D3, and its gotten so much sweatier. I'd honestly say that D3 now is harder than C2 was last season.
I think a huge part of people being lower ranked in 1s than im 2s is just a matter of practice and different skill requirements. I love 1v1 and 2v2 but I don't enjoy 3v3, so 3v3 is by far my lowest playlist. My 1s and 2s rank are pretty much the same