try with M160 and M170 springs, please! And please, please measure the response and gear cycle time in "ms" between them using M160 and M170 springs! This would be relevant
Thanks for this video, I've always been skeptical of t238 and had no idea they made a brushless motor. The towers and tabs are def an improvement, and I'm curious to compare the warhead esc vs the t238. Any idea in price and how this motor handles active braking?
I left a link into the description with the product so you could check the actual price at their website or Ali shop. From my testing... my T238 unit is handling better the AB against the Warhead unit i have, i don't know for the moment how do they are quality wise at larger quantities but what i am seeing now is very promising.The bord itself ESC works like they advertise, however i have a small adventure with it... more on that later on the next videos.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms thanks alot I'll definitely pick one up along with a mosfet and give then a genuine try now. Does the t238 esc have to be desolder to press fit pinions?
This motor seems promising, from the sound And from power consumption measurements it seems, like either the control board controls the RPM much better, than the Warhead, or the rotor Is balanced in better way, since the power consumption doesnt fluctuate as much. Anyways thanks for showing this cool product! 😊
Well buddy, this is a very promising product at least from what I've already seen. For some reason that new Warhead ( used for some testing with some builds) is not in pair with the t238 motor, but this can be conclude later when i upload the rest of the content cuz there are a lot of factors in play with both of the motors. What you've said is true but its not only that... there is more 😅.
Please concider using a high quality "RC" LiPo with high C rating when doing tests. "Airsoft" LiPos are generally of significant lower quality and power output compared to the ones made for radio controlled cars, airplanes, helicopters, boats, drones etc.
Airsoft brushless motor likes lower C rating battery. They simply cycle better with 20 till 30C. More than that makes them uncontrollable or unreliable when it comes to etu cycle control. But you are free to use 100C if you want 😉 .
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Do you have any facts to prove that theory? It dosen't seem true, I've been using Turnigy graphene 7.4V 950 mAh 75C/150C (I use high C rating LiPo's in all my builds with zero problems, have also tested this build with a 11.V 1800 mAh 100C LiPo with same result) in a 18:1 8T DSG with a Warhead CNC Black 36k for long over a year with no problems. Play mostly only semi games and it cycles just fine in both full auto and semi, active braking is set to zero in ETU (Jefftron). You know a motor only draws what current it needs no matter how big the battery is. If a bigger battery (more mAh or higher C rating) changes how it cycles or makes the rpm faster it means you've been using a to small battery for that motor/set up before. Feel free to keep using what ever batteries you wan't, if you are happy with your low C rating LiPo's, by all means, stick to them, but please don't write something that "isin't so".
@KAG2203 there is nothing to prove to you. Just use your 70/100c battery and try to precock at the last teet. You won't be able to make it work reliably. This is what I usually call precise cycle operation, but you are far from understanding it. Your cycling with your fancy 100€/$+ Leviathan is the same that a cheap contact group and THT mosfet could achieve. You are not using all its features, and you can't simply apply AB to a brushless motor, at least not as a brushed one. Another important fact is that batteries are not compound by 4 factors only: capacity, voltage, charge, and discharge rating. There is a fifth one, which is called internal cell resistance. High C batteries are very well made, cells are selected to match all ratings, form factors, and of course, very low internal resistance. Cheap low C- ratings are the same, but not so precise, and their internal resistance could be 4 to 15 times greater. What does that resistance mean to you? In the case of airsoft brushless motors or any motor, that transfers to a slower turn-on but faster turn-off. What does this mean to you? Maybe nothing, but transferred to brushless operation means that Yes the motor will turn on slowly, but the battery will cut power faster and that will help the motor brake faster without more residual inertia from the low resistance of a High C battery giving you proper tunable cycle time. High C will start to provide full power fast... great, but the lack of resistance at the stop is the thing that makes the BLDC spin some more turns with residual voltage before it stops. From it, aufiderzain to your precise cycle control. Brushless motors don't need a High C rating, so 20/30C is enough that they consume far less amperage than the brushed motors....unless you don't know what you are doing and you are overstressing them. P.S. You can use the BLDC with your electronics while using a High C rating Battery, but you won't be able to use the full potential of the ETU, so the choice of how to cycle that type of motor is yours.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Just becuase you write an answer long as a book dosen't make it true. I've just told you I've been running brushless motor with high C rating lipos for long over a year, and the motor cycles perfect (heavy precocking settings also works flawless), stop spreading bullshit nonsens. It has it's own active breaking so I don't have to use my "fancy" ETU for that (as for the T238, it's made for their ETU, wich uses active braking, and it can't be disabled, so it can take a lot more AB then the warheads, when used in Gate, Jefftron, Perun etc, if you'll need it), and the armatures weight is a lot less then in a brushed motor so it stops much faster, so you don't need the higher inner resistance from your crappy lipos to help it stop fast enough/cycle fine. Again, the motor only draws what current it needs, no matter how big ass battery/high c value you'll use, so how would that "stress" the brushless motor more😔, and you said it yourself - high c rating lipos makes the motor start faster = trigger response, thats one of the reasons to use them in airsoft.
buhahaha man simply do as you want, as I will do what I already know. I have seen and I know how many times every brand has redesigned its own algorithm, you can ask Filip which video feedback made him totally change the algorithm on the optical Leviathan, so it can even spin your brushless motor nowadays. But I am here to do my stuff the way I've see it, tested it and felt it. Just like the review of that t238, many of the people like you joked about that motor, about the consumption, and everything I've shown stating that Warhead was the top motor............ but today all those guys consider this motor as the Best on the market no matter I've shown them that more than a year ago. Wish you all the best
How are the motor tabs on the T238? My new warhead black motor tabs broke upon just testing the 1st day. Even just wiggling them, they are very flimsy. Has T238 overcome the tab issue due to it mounting on the esc?
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Perfect! Even if the T238 draws more amperage than the warhead, still much much less than any brushed motor. Thank you for the feedback!
I have a question, what happens if I accidentally reverse the positive and negative wires when plugging into the motor? does the engine burn? does the electronic trigger or the lipo battery short out? Or does he have protection in case that happens? I had a military action brushless motor and I did this and the battery caught fire
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms yes, the consumption isnt matter at all. the biggest point is, now you have some brushless motor that cheap, works well in your AEG. i suggest try to focus on another upgrades "to make your AEG worth for your money". cheers brother!! 🔥
As far as i know this is the first Brushless they've made and its 33K on 11.1V which can be lowed down to around 18-20K( this is an estimation cuz i have no RPM reader).
Unfortunately, there is no easier way when it comes to O-type pinion, you must desolder the ESC and thwn swap the pinions cuz you would need to press it or hammer it gently.
Didn't test, this should be even much more extensive. However it is always a matter of pinion to bevel mesh so as long as they mesh well every D-type will most probably fit on the axel.
T238 @ 26.7w vs warhead 19.3w Watts equal HP The watts are what you can determine which motor has more UMPH without load. If you start putting load on the motor the amps will change
Thia is not what i am trying to show here. In brushed DC airsoft motors, people who deal on a daily basis with teching can just read out the amps without load to estimate how many TPAs are winded onto the rotor. This, of course, has very little to do with BLDC motors. However, it is a good starting point to determine in a simple way which motor will consume more energy for a certain amount of load.
Amps still change unload any load even as little as pushing on the tower. I have extensive reach with all type of electric hobby motors and more. Load and loads of testing. Also the amp will change do to efficiency under different voltage to. Say 7.4-11.1-14.8
The terms the airsoft tech use are only in airsoft any other place tpa is call turns or wined and there are say 16tdouble or triple or stock typically is 27t in brushed ect
Different weight springs will change amps to and gear ratio. One motor may endup more efficient in different situations vs bench test no load amp draw. That’s really tell zero… the one with more amp draw may not load more amps under load. There is way way way more to show
@Bomb Ass Beef Jerky man are you seriously thinking that only you know how dc motor works and how to test them... of course there many ways and extensive testing to determine even more parameters of those two motors, but we are not in a lab, none of us are if we are spending time to discuss this stuff below youtube vodeo. If you want to see some direct comparison, check the 3rd video, one setup 3 different motors, 3 different behaviors at slightly different energy efficiency/ amp draw. If that video doesn't suit your needs, sorry you can search for a better one. ✌️
Anybody is free to do whatever he wants, this video and the next to come are just my two cents about it that's all... I am not selling and if you are not sold by my review, how to say- i am perfectly fine with that.
try with M160 and M170 springs, please! And please, please measure the response and gear cycle time in "ms" between them using M160 and M170 springs! This would be relevant
It is a good and detailed review video with neutral and objective demo, very good for us to learn more, thanks!
Thanks for this video, I've always been skeptical of t238 and had no idea they made a brushless motor. The towers and tabs are def an improvement, and I'm curious to compare the warhead esc vs the t238. Any idea in price and how this motor handles active braking?
I left a link into the description with the product so you could check the actual price at their website or Ali shop. From my testing... my T238 unit is handling better the AB against the Warhead unit i have, i don't know for the moment how do they are quality wise at larger quantities but what i am seeing now is very promising.The bord itself ESC works like they advertise, however i have a small adventure with it... more on that later on the next videos.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms thanks alot I'll definitely pick one up along with a mosfet and give then a genuine try now. Does the t238 esc have to be desolder to press fit pinions?
@@jhqtech i think it doesnt need it. i know the height bit different with the gucci one. i suggest you to find the fitment on the pistol grip 👍
This motor seems promising, from the sound And from power consumption measurements it seems, like either the control board controls the RPM much better, than the Warhead, or the rotor Is balanced in better way, since the power consumption doesnt fluctuate as much.
Anyways thanks for showing this cool product! 😊
Well buddy, this is a very promising product at least from what I've already seen. For some reason that new Warhead ( used for some testing with some builds) is not in pair with the t238 motor, but this can be conclude later when i upload the rest of the content cuz there are a lot of factors in play with both of the motors. What you've said is true but its not only that... there is more 😅.
If you lower the RPM does it decrease wattage and amp draw?
@@lemonjelly it does.
Please concider using a high quality "RC" LiPo with high C rating when doing tests. "Airsoft" LiPos are generally of significant lower quality and power output compared to the ones made for radio controlled cars, airplanes, helicopters, boats, drones etc.
Airsoft brushless motor likes lower C rating battery. They simply cycle better with 20 till 30C. More than that makes them uncontrollable or unreliable when it comes to etu cycle control. But you are free to use 100C if you want 😉 .
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Do you have any facts to prove that theory? It dosen't seem true, I've been using Turnigy graphene 7.4V 950 mAh 75C/150C (I use high C rating LiPo's in all my builds with zero problems, have also tested this build with a 11.V 1800 mAh 100C LiPo with same result) in a 18:1 8T DSG with a Warhead CNC Black 36k for long over a year with no problems. Play mostly only semi games and it cycles just fine in both full auto and semi, active braking is set to zero in ETU (Jefftron).
You know a motor only draws what current it needs no matter how big the battery is. If a bigger battery (more mAh or higher C rating) changes how it cycles or makes the rpm faster it means you've been using a to small battery for that motor/set up before.
Feel free to keep using what ever batteries you wan't, if you are happy with your low C rating LiPo's, by all means, stick to them, but please don't write something that "isin't so".
@KAG2203 there is nothing to prove to you. Just use your 70/100c battery and try to precock at the last teet. You won't be able to make it work reliably. This is what I usually call precise cycle operation, but you are far from understanding it. Your cycling with your fancy 100€/$+ Leviathan is the same that a cheap contact group and THT mosfet could achieve. You are not using all its features, and you can't simply apply AB to a brushless motor, at least not as a brushed one. Another important fact is that batteries are not compound by 4 factors only: capacity, voltage, charge, and discharge rating. There is a fifth one, which is called internal cell resistance. High C batteries are very well made, cells are selected to match all ratings, form factors, and of course, very low internal resistance. Cheap low C- ratings are the same, but not so precise, and their internal resistance could be 4 to 15 times greater.
What does that resistance mean to you?
In the case of airsoft brushless motors or any motor, that transfers to a slower turn-on but faster turn-off. What does this mean to you?
Maybe nothing, but transferred to brushless operation means that Yes the motor will turn on slowly, but the battery will cut power faster and that will help the motor brake faster without more residual inertia from the low resistance of a High C battery giving you proper tunable cycle time.
High C will start to provide full power fast... great, but the lack of resistance at the stop is the thing that makes the BLDC spin some more turns with residual voltage before it stops. From it, aufiderzain to your precise cycle control.
Brushless motors don't need a High C rating, so 20/30C is enough that they consume far less amperage than the brushed motors....unless you don't know what you are doing and you are overstressing them.
P.S. You can use the BLDC with your electronics while using a High C rating Battery, but you won't be able to use the full potential of the ETU, so the choice of how to cycle that type of motor is yours.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Just becuase you write an answer long as a book dosen't make it true. I've just told you I've been running brushless motor with high C rating lipos for long over a year, and the motor cycles perfect (heavy precocking settings also works flawless), stop spreading bullshit nonsens. It has it's own active breaking so I don't have to use my "fancy" ETU for that (as for the T238, it's made for their ETU, wich uses active braking, and it can't be disabled, so it can take a lot more AB then the warheads, when used in Gate, Jefftron, Perun etc, if you'll need it), and the armatures weight is a lot less then in a brushed motor so it stops much faster, so you don't need the higher inner resistance from your crappy lipos to help it stop fast enough/cycle fine.
Again, the motor only draws what current it needs, no matter how big ass battery/high c value you'll use, so how would that "stress" the brushless motor more😔, and you said it yourself - high c rating lipos makes the motor start faster = trigger response, thats one of the reasons to use them in airsoft.
buhahaha man simply do as you want, as I will do what I already know. I have seen and I know how many times every brand has redesigned its own algorithm, you can ask Filip which video feedback made him totally change the algorithm on the optical Leviathan, so it can even spin your brushless motor nowadays. But I am here to do my stuff the way I've see it, tested it and felt it. Just like the review of that t238, many of the people like you joked about that motor, about the consumption, and everything I've shown stating that Warhead was the top motor............ but today all those guys consider this motor as the Best on the market no matter I've shown them that more than a year ago.
Wish you all the best
I'm sticking with warhead motors unless they come down significantly in price, just my opinion
T238 say you need to use their ETU/MOSFET with their motors, have you had good experiences with other ETU's and their motors?
How are the motor tabs on the T238? My new warhead black motor tabs broke upon just testing the 1st day. Even just wiggling them, they are very flimsy. Has T238 overcome the tab issue due to it mounting on the esc?
The tabs are rock solid. Way better than the Warhead ones.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms Perfect! Even if the T238 draws more amperage than the warhead, still much much less than any brushed motor. Thank you for the feedback!
I have a question, what happens if I accidentally reverse the positive and negative wires when plugging into the motor? does the engine burn? does the electronic trigger or the lipo battery short out? Or does he have protection in case that happens? I had a military action brushless motor and I did this and the battery caught fire
Tbh i can't give you an exact answer. Probably your etu will detect short and will prevent you from shooting. But i can't be sure.
Does anyone know if the t238 works with gate Titan, I read online that it doesn’t. Also is this t238 the same as the v2 version?
yeah go ahead, it does work with it.
Does it works with perun hybrid mosfet ?? My buddy told me that it’ll be better if i’m using t238 mosfet too
It will work with perun without issues, just play with the settings until it gets spinning as you want.
low consumption? ofc theres bit different with the neo magnet and the esc too. but i think the cheap one (t238) isnt bad at all.
Even after some time, i still consider the T238 to be a better option.👍
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms yes, the consumption isnt matter at all. the biggest point is, now you have some brushless motor that cheap, works well in your AEG. i suggest try to focus on another upgrades "to make your AEG worth for your money". cheers brother!! 🔥
Anyone knows if with the t238 v2.0 I can use active breaking and if not how do I prevent overspin with this?
Yes you can use AB without an issue. At least i had no problem with it.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms thanks man. Stoked to finish my built with it.
is there a 47k or 52k version of that motor?
As far as i know this is the first Brushless they've made and its 33K on 11.1V which can be lowed down to around 18-20K( this is an estimation cuz i have no RPM reader).
How is easy is it to swap out pinion gear?
Unfortunately, there is no easier way when it comes to O-type pinion, you must desolder the ESC and thwn swap the pinions cuz you would need to press it or hammer it gently.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms what brand gears does the pinion gear on the motor mesh with best?
Didn't test, this should be even much more extensive. However it is always a matter of pinion to bevel mesh so as long as they mesh well every D-type will most probably fit on the axel.
T238 @ 26.7w vs warhead 19.3w
Watts equal HP
The watts are what you can determine which motor has more UMPH without load. If you start putting load on the motor the amps will change
Thia is not what i am trying to show here. In brushed DC airsoft motors, people who deal on a daily basis with teching can just read out the amps without load to estimate how many TPAs are winded onto the rotor. This, of course, has very little to do with BLDC motors. However, it is a good starting point to determine in a simple way which motor will consume more energy for a certain amount of load.
Amps still change unload any load even as little as pushing on the tower. I have extensive reach with all type of electric hobby motors and more. Load and loads of testing. Also the amp will change do to efficiency under different voltage to. Say 7.4-11.1-14.8
The terms the airsoft tech use are only in airsoft any other place tpa is call turns or wined and there are say 16tdouble or triple or stock typically is 27t in brushed ect
Different weight springs will change amps to and gear ratio. One motor may endup more efficient in different situations vs bench test no load amp draw. That’s really tell zero… the one with more amp draw may not load more amps under load. There is way way way more to show
@Bomb Ass Beef Jerky man are you seriously thinking that only you know how dc motor works and how to test them... of course there many ways and extensive testing to determine even more parameters of those two motors, but we are not in a lab, none of us are if we are spending time to discuss this stuff below youtube vodeo. If you want to see some direct comparison, check the 3rd video, one setup 3 different motors, 3 different behaviors at slightly different energy efficiency/ amp draw.
If that video doesn't suit your needs, sorry you can search for a better one. ✌️
warhead has low amps compare to t238
Yeah you're right, but is negligible compared to how consistent they both sounds and behaves.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms yeah but power consumption wise, ill rather choose warhead instead
Anybody is free to do whatever he wants, this video and the next to come are just my two cents about it that's all... I am not selling and if you are not sold by my review, how to say- i am perfectly fine with that.
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms no disrespect sir, it is just my honest oppinion
@@AC-AirsoftCustoms may i know what is the srp or suggested retail price of this motor?
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