Dr Sadler, I am an Afghan student. I am studying M.A philosophy. My undergraduate was not philosophy, so I had to catch up with philosophy. Your videos are great tools for me to get foundation education on philosophy. Thank you so much for doing this.
I'm in the middle of taking PHi. 101 and a history class focused on The Republic right now, and I cannot state fully in words how much clearer your lectures are making the material. Thank you.
thank you for this video. I am studying philosophy as my newest interest. I find it absolutely fascinating to learn about the philosophers themselves and the contents of their lives that i feel arent taught as much as they should be. I had to subscribe and am excited to keep learning with your videos
Taking political philosophy, the readings are certainly a little difficult at first to comprehend but this video solidifies my understanding so for that I thank you professor!
A couple of questions...is the analogy between training horses and improving or corrupting the youth a strong one? We want very different things from horses than we do from people. Secondly, he argues that he shouldn't even be on trial for corrupting the youth. But what might Meletus & co. mean by corrupting the youth might just be questioning their elders and their wisdom, as Socrates says they sometimes do in imitation of him. So, whether or not he does this may be a conversation he doesn't want to get into, as no doubt there were jury members who had been the victims of their sons' questioning. In other words, if he had built a defence out of denying that he corrupts the young, Meletus might have been able to come back with, "O, yes you do! So-and-so's son was very disobedient and rude to him because of you!" Socrates can avoid this be arguing that the charge makes no sense and has not been thought out. My sense is that when he discussed this and the charge of impiety, he simply leads Meletus down another path and changes the subject. Meletus really isn't very bright!
Dr. Sadler, i think Socrates was actually being charged with anti-machiavellian speech. He wouldn't be born for another 2000 years but, but Machiavelli's spirit was alive and well in the form of the psychological trait that, along with narcissism and psychopathy make up the dark triad. IMO this is why Diogenes was looking for an honest man. Everything Diogenes did was a condemnation of the runaway Machiavelianism that had killed Socrates. Also, i think, why Dio didn't care so much for Plato's version of the story. He saw Socrates as more of a comrade in arms and Plato as a bit of a snobbish aristocrat, a machiavellian conveniently ignoring the machiavellianism at the root of the issue. (2nd defense)
Really helped me get a better grasp on the content of the text. You're right about older texts being harder to read, so I appreciated how you explain everything in a day-to-day manner.
I'm just wondering here, but, what is meant when it is said that Socrates corrupted the young? Currently, that phrasing has a sexual connotation, but I'm not sure if that holds in Socrates's Ancient Greece (even if homosexual activity was present).
Gregory B. Sadler Thank you for taking the time to respond. I am sorry if it sounded like I am disdaining your video or your interpretations. I find that dedicating your time to teach and promote knowledge in the way you do is an incredibly admirable and honorable thing to do. I can see society as a whole benefiting from this kind of altruism. I am knew to Plato and Socrates. What got me interested in it was an article I read, describing Socrate’s trial, and his display of humility without modesty. I’ve found it fascinating to have the idea of humility - described as a point of view devoid of self - without diminishing one’s own worth and achievements as a way to evoque empathy; or using modesty. The article went on to describe his trial as a tragedy, as he was perceived as arrogant and defiant. I was trying to get a sense of this humility without modesty by reading Plato’s Apology, but the impression I got was exactly that idea of an arrogant manipulator. I am struggling to find his arguments convincing, and as much as I can interpret some parts as humble, I can’t shake off the sense that he is using fallacies to try get out of the accusations. I don’t know if that makes sense. I was just expressing my frustration for not finding what I was looking for, as your video seems to reinforce the perception I felt while reading the text. Thanks again for taking the time to read this. This is the article I mentioned: www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201806/whats-the-difference-between-modesty-and-humility%3famp If the link doesn’t work, it is an article by a psychiatrist named Neel Burton, titled “What's the Difference Between Modesty and Humility?”.
Well I mean, the "why now" argument is pretty much the rape defense of perpetrators. That's answered by you've lost status and others are finally against you so I can bring up the things you did prior that no one would have listened to before. So it isn't that great of a defense.
Dr Sadler, I am an Afghan student. I am studying M.A philosophy. My undergraduate was not philosophy, so I had to catch up with philosophy. Your videos are great tools for me to get foundation education on philosophy. Thank you so much for doing this.
You're very welcome! Glad the videos are useful for you
@@GregoryBSadler even useful in undergrad 5 years later!
a new Core Concept video on the Apology -- how Socrates defends himself against charges of "corrupting the young"
This video was pretty short and easy to understand. I just watched this during lunchtime at my workplace.
Glad to hear it was easy to understand -- that's the general idea behind these videos
Thanks for these videos. Reading The Apology and these have helped me unpack a lot of the ideas contained in such a short work.
Glad to read the videos were helpful for you!
I'm in the middle of taking PHi. 101 and a history class focused on The Republic right now, and I cannot state fully in words how much clearer your lectures are making the material. Thank you.
Glad it's helpful for you
thank you for this video. I am studying philosophy as my newest interest. I find it absolutely fascinating to learn about the philosophers themselves and the contents of their lives that i feel arent taught as much as they should be. I had to subscribe and am excited to keep learning with your videos
You're very welcome! Glad you enjoy the videos
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thank you for making it so clear and easy to understand! you really helped with my paper.
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Fantastic lecture! This video was a while ago, but I hope you still teach! Good stuff! 😁👌🏻
I still teach
Thank you Dr. Sadler for making this matter easier to understand. Great video!
Thanks - glad it was helpful for you
dude thx a lot. I was studying from books and didn't understand anything. this one definitely helped.
Glad it was helpful
THANK YOU, THIS VIDEO HELPED ME WRITE MY ESSAY !!!
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I really like this series! Well done, Professor!
Thanks!
Amazing video helped my completely understand Plato's Apology day before my AP seminar class
Glad it was helpful for you!
Great video, man!!
Thanks
Thanks for the lecture, it's right to the point and really easy to understand now.
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its 2021 and this video just helped me pass my exam. most likely going to be helping people in 2031. thank you!
Well, hopefully. Who knows what UA-cam will turn into
thank you,your vedios need to be much more popular
You're welcome. You can always share them
Really good video. I’m reading The Apology and Crito now.
Glad you found it useful
Taking political philosophy, the readings are certainly a little difficult at first to comprehend but this video solidifies my understanding so for that I thank you professor!
You're welcome!
Highly enjoyed...great insight.
Thanks!
Thanks a lot professor . I just started :Intro to philosophy yesterday in College
Hope you enjoy your class!
Doing my first year in philosophy and I didn’t understand anything at all , this video has helped me so much , thank you 🙏🏽
Glad it was useful for you!
What lines go along with Argument 3 in the Apology? I am having trouble finding it...
Plato is pretty awesome.
Indeed
Very interesting as usual. Is there a particular translation of Plato that you'd recommend? It'd be fascinating to read Plato's original work.
There's not -- I'm lazy when it comes to evaluating translations, since if I need to, I just go to the Greek. It makes me not such a good evaluator
He he fair enough! Thanks for posting the video anyway...
you're welcome!
A couple of questions...is the analogy between training horses and improving or corrupting the youth a strong one? We want very different things from horses than we do from people. Secondly, he argues that he shouldn't even be on trial for corrupting the youth. But what might Meletus & co. mean by corrupting the youth might just be questioning their elders and their wisdom, as Socrates says they sometimes do in imitation of him. So, whether or not he does this may be a conversation he doesn't want to get into, as no doubt there were jury members who had been the victims of their sons' questioning. In other words, if he had built a defence out of denying that he corrupts the young, Meletus might have been able to come back with, "O, yes you do! So-and-so's son was very disobedient and rude to him because of you!" Socrates can avoid this be arguing that the charge makes no sense and has not been thought out. My sense is that when he discussed this and the charge of impiety, he simply leads Meletus down another path and changes the subject. Meletus really isn't very bright!
Plato often has Socrates make weaker arguments against weaker interlocutors
this helped a lot
Glad to read it
Dr. Sadler, i think Socrates was actually being charged with anti-machiavellian speech. He wouldn't be born for another 2000 years but, but Machiavelli's spirit was alive and well in the form of the psychological trait that, along with narcissism and psychopathy make up the dark triad. IMO this is why Diogenes was looking for an honest man. Everything Diogenes did was a condemnation of the runaway Machiavelianism that had killed Socrates. Also, i think, why Dio didn't care so much for Plato's version of the story. He saw Socrates as more of a comrade in arms and Plato as a bit of a snobbish aristocrat, a machiavellian conveniently ignoring the machiavellianism at the root of the issue. (2nd defense)
Meh. You lost me at "anti-machiavellian speech". Good luck with your studies
GREAT! THANKS
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Why does Socrates question everyone in the city In the Apology?
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@@GregoryBSadler everytime i see a question like this & there is one reply i just know it’s gonna be that link😂😭😭😭
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wait soo who is it that tells him he cannot teach the youth?
Gabi Sanchez nothing like reading the text
He looks like Penn
Yep, heard that before. Anything about the content?
Really helped me get a better grasp on the content of the text. You're right about older texts being harder to read, so I appreciated how you explain everything in a day-to-day manner.
I'm indian 18 year old boy I went to learn .
Well, you have a great opportunity in our present times
I'm just wondering here, but, what is meant when it is said that Socrates corrupted the young? Currently, that phrasing has a sexual connotation, but I'm not sure if that holds in Socrates's Ancient Greece (even if homosexual activity was present).
The accusation was just that he made them worse, as persons and as citizens. We still use "corrupt" in non-sexual senses today
@@GregoryBSadler it means corrupting the youths'minds
@@zakariasanhaji9561 What makes you think I require an explanation?
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These sound more like fallacies than good arguments.
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Gregory B. Sadler Thank you for taking the time to respond.
I am sorry if it sounded like I am disdaining your video or your interpretations. I find that dedicating your time to teach and promote knowledge in the way you do is an incredibly admirable and honorable thing to do. I can see society as a whole benefiting from this kind of altruism.
I am knew to Plato and Socrates. What got me interested in it was an article I read, describing Socrate’s trial, and his display of humility without modesty. I’ve found it fascinating to have the idea of humility - described as a point of view devoid of self - without diminishing one’s own worth and achievements as a way to evoque empathy; or using modesty.
The article went on to describe his trial as a tragedy, as he was perceived as arrogant and defiant. I was trying to get a sense of this humility without modesty by reading Plato’s Apology, but the impression I got was exactly that idea of an arrogant manipulator. I am struggling to find his arguments convincing, and as much as I can interpret some parts as humble, I can’t shake off the sense that he is using fallacies to try get out of the accusations.
I don’t know if that makes sense. I was just expressing my frustration for not finding what I was looking for, as your video seems to reinforce the perception I felt while reading the text.
Thanks again for taking the time to read this.
This is the article I mentioned: www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hide-and-seek/201806/whats-the-difference-between-modesty-and-humility%3famp
If the link doesn’t work, it is an article by a psychiatrist named Neel Burton, titled “What's the Difference Between Modesty and Humility?”.
@@gus8378 If you think the video is about "disdaining your video or your interpretations", you'll want to watch it again. Or not. Up to you
Gregory B. Sadler what I meant is that I am not criticizing your video. I was afraid I was giving that impression.
No I get that you're saying that the arguments in the text seem fallacious. What I responded to was your referencing the video, rather than the text.
am i the only one who finds socrates an annoying bloke?
Obviously not. They put him to death
Well I mean, the "why now" argument is pretty much the rape defense of perpetrators. That's answered by you've lost status and others are finally against you so I can bring up the things you did prior that no one would have listened to before. So it isn't that great of a defense.
Yeah. . . I don't think those are even close.