Detent Experiment! Baliscissors: Ep 11
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Thank you so much to everybody who watched my last video! I went from 100 to 3000 subscribers in like a month. That's insane. Thank you for all the nice comments too.
I hope people who enjoyed my restoration also like this video where I experiment with different button click detent mechanisms.
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He should definitely get a patent for his design.
Oh yea
Well by publishing it to the internet noone can now file a patent on it. Also it will be worthless to patent those if they just appear on aliexpress and wish or whatnot for 5 dollars after a while. Just sell a quality product and the people with some decency left will buy from you instead of getting the cheap chinese knockoff.
A patent is a bad idea for a small business or individual.
-It wont safe you from bigger companies copying since they can afford better patent lawyers.
-Its extremely expensive to get a patent and to have the lawyer defend the patent.
-Since patents have a time limit youre now racing against the clock to make a good profit
Having the idea out and open on the internet is the best choice for individuals means no company can file a patent cause they have no right to.
if he makes a good and quality product especially with something like balisongs people will pay a good price for it.
big companies especially struggle with high quality and small quantity since its hard for them to turn a profit.
@@Sweeny_de do you know if getting a patent for a comic book story aka a copyright for the characters, concept and visuals is a good idea? You seem to know your stuff about these types of laws
I mean he got the idea of the locking mechanism from a shotgun, I dont think he could even if the other replies here didnt matter...
I would 100% buy these if you ever sell them
Same
Yep same here
Indeed
same
Yess
Using a design concept from the shotgun was genius Can't wait to see the fully built scissor with it installed!
This is some incredible engineering. Your channel deserves 30x more subs.
yes
he really does
If he keeps it up with content like this he's gonna get them eventually. There are subreddits that absolutely love this sort of thing and that alone can become a ton of subs.
Yoo you just did a huge leap in your design
No dislikes because there’s nothing to hate
Ey dont jinx him
jinxed
I think it's safe to assume this comment was the impetus behind the 👎
Yeah, you jinxed it.
the internet: hold my beer
:/
"I'm getting better at how fast I can fail"
~ contraption collection
That's the most excitement I've ever heard come from his voice.
I love that the design process progressively took you closer to something resembling a pin-timbler lock
I gotta say I really enjoy a workshop channel that actually explains what they're doing, and also has snappy and watchable editing and commentary. Lots of people doing this sort of stuff but very few actually sharing the mental steps behind it all.
The 4 dislikes are from Balisomg engineers who didn’t think of this first, this doesn’t deserve dislikes great content btw
I love this, that part where you go "wait how does this work again?" is perfect.
Love that UA-cam recommended this, keep up the good work!
I binged all of your Baliscissors vids today.
You are amazing. your channel is a hidden gem.
I remember watching episode 2 or 3 around the time they came out and thinking “damn that’s a cool idea” and then I get recommended this like a year later. This is crazy! I would definitely buy one.
i love joining people on projects that are new and have no previus knowlage, i find it entertaining seeing why and how mistakes are made and how to fix them and eventualy finding a selution.
The joys of prototyping! Never, ever be embarrassed or apologize for creating.
The algorithm pushed me your way. My life is better for it. Great content!
You are now a channel that I get inspiration from, along with the pantheon of great channels you referenced in your vid. Thanks!!!
It's so inspiring to see somebody design a pretty much unique mechanism from scratch (I know, _maybe_ there's something similar out there that I don't know about and _maybe_ somebody's "inspiration" can be another one's "idea poaching") and I really think the "getting faster at failing" is exactly the hallmark of a great designer; of course nothing works the first time around, if it were easy other people would've done it before you. The willpower to continue through the failures to get to a working solution is what separates the wheat from the chaff.
Many, many well wishes for the rest of this and all future projects, like I said your tenacity in getting what you set your sights on is incredibly inspiring :)
True engineering, the exhilaratingblend of analytical thought with out of the box ideas. Up and downs on the way, but where would the satisfaction be without those. This gets me very excited.
CONFRICKINGRATS i started watching at 150 happy to be here
One of these days this guy is going to have a huge channel
@@SirJorn its going to be soon ill bet
Me too
Dude, I appreciate your thought processes, even the ones that go straight into a brick wall. Thanks for sharing this journey!
I don't even vaguely care about knives but I love these videos because of the engineering in them
Your onto something with that new design
“I’m getting better at how fast I can fail” the most valuable skill of them all tbh, other than failing virtually or in your head or otherwise without materials, but if it’s not also fast, there is a line where it’s better to fail physically but faster
Super progress on the baliscissors and the channel! And thanks for the flash of inspiration at 9:06 !
He did it the mad lad did it he could honestly probably make some good money off of a full version. I’d buy it.
That defeated "Ahhhh dang it" is just too funny. That happens to me at work. Get all excited for a new innovative way to make a fixture. This is going to be awesome. It'll save so much time...... and I forgot a simple detail that makes it all a complete waste of time.
You get so focused on the tree, you can't see the forest around you.
How do you only have 11.8k Subs? You are a talented mechanic
I love this guy and his videos there not the boring machine videos but also shows the whole process so it’s become my new favorite channel
I’m addicted to these videos, amazing quality.
these videos are better then 90% of UA-cam. no screaming and fake energy, just a guy working and talking. hope you can make the scissors
I can't wait for the next video and to see the final project!!
The amount of effort you have put into this is insane. You got my money for one or a couple when they finally go on sale. I promise you I will buy this.
i literally clapped and cheered for joy in my seat when your new design worked.
Just stumbled upon you, this is a fantastic idea. People tend to underestimate how handy a good pair of folding scissors are paired with the ease of deployment of a butterfly... you have a winning idea there my friend.
Im trying to get an architecture degree and honestly dude you're such an inspiration. Documenting the tedious design process with all the ups and downs. I wish you best of luck.
I love the work ur doing, KEEP IT UP!! 100% would buy the finished product
Wow, love the ingenuity involved in prototyping!!!
I really enjoy watching this. Someone does something with passion, encounters Problems and try to solve or work around them.
This popped up on my recommended and im glad it did
This is gonna be the next grimsmo knives. The quality of your work, tools and processes is well above what they had when they started just need to get that mechanism perfect 👌
I’m so impressed at your continuous innovation with this thing!
This is truly amazing. I found you through your balisong “restoration” video, and went to your channel once I was done watching because you mentioned the baliscisors. You should totally do a Kickstarter for these. I, as well as many other people would be glad to own a pair of these. I hope that you are able to sell these at some point. The engineering that has gone into them so far, and what is to come truly amazes me.
It is fascinating watching you work through all these engineering problems and finding new ways to attack the problems you come up with! And now I want to add a pair of baliscissors to my collection!!!
Keep doing what you're doing. You'll get there, both with this project and with your channel.
Also, the baliscissors are badass.
I just barely found this Channel today and I was so sad when I realized I already watched all the videos. I can't wait for the next one!!
Dude you are the first channel that I turned on post notifications. I think what you’re doing is really badass and I can’t wait to see more!
I absolutely love this guy, and want a pair of baliscissors. Badly want a pair, its such an awesome idea.
very cool I'm quickly becoming a fan. I get frustrated at other youtubers that over and under explain things; you do a very good job at explaining and also giving very good visual examples. Great video and I cant wait to see you pop off soon!
I have to say, I really love these videos. Watching your process is a lot of fun and I actually enjoy your voice over a lot. Keep up the good work!
I just had a super strange experience where youtube suggested a video to me and it was a video I had never seen before and also a great video. Neat.
Bro I love your content! Please keep doing what you're doing, it's amazing. Im glad UA-cam was smart for once and recommended me this. Keep it up!
First time seeing a video of yours. I'm sure its because I subscribe to so many of the channels you find inspiration from. Especially Steady Craftin'! I recognized that color palette even tho it went by in a flash haha!
Absolutely amazing this is such a cool idea and project keep up the good work love your videos
Seeing shit like this is why I want to get a mill and lathe lol. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing the final iteration
Really cool to see your entire thought process. This is engineering right here: building lots of prototypes, trying stuff out and failing many times. Awesome channel you have here, consider me subscribed!
Thank you, seeing how you follow up the idea and actually making it and even detailing what works and does not works is inspiring, I hope your project succeed and I love this video.
Your voice is what makes it perfect.
Honestly your commentary Is amazing.
I love that your videos show your trial and error
My son told me about you. I’m impressed. Keep pushing!
I don't know half the names mentioned in the video but i am starting to watch these to calm down, you definitely deserve 100K subs in my opinion.
I hope you can reach that achievement. Keep pushing and trying, you'll get there soon.
"I`m getting better at how fast i can fail." Love it. Very impressive. Hmm, about all i do is "gather" inspiration.
He'll actually *want* to fail, fail fast, and fail often when engineering something like this. Failure is, if anything. a good and welcome thing. Each failure is a "learning exercise," in the form of the discovery of a new way to not do something, and leads to refinement and improvement. Success is built on the backs of these "learning exercises."
I 100% agree with balisongs being different things, when i stumbled onto your channel like bang baliscissors wow like the bali karambit. Keep up the great work
Hey man got recommended here through one of your other vids, and I gotta say, you're channel is a diamond in it's making. Really like how you're trying different things and aren't afraid to struggle. Keep up the work!
DUDE YOU ARE AMAZING! The growth in your chanel is definently deserved bro!
Its funny to see pple in the comments who know nothing about machining on this channel thats how you know the algorithm likes you
These videos are super interesting, keep doing what you do! Look forward to the next video :)
Let me just say, when i saw the intro, i was confused, then looked and i was in disbelief lmfao.
I dont understand how you have only 7k subs. Remember me when you pass a mil!
Your voice and way of speaking (especially in your earlier videos) reminds me of Joe Pera, it's actually very relaxing.
If you ever revisit the idea of using ball detents in the future, either on this project or another, look at how sockets work. Detent mechanism is on the male part, and the detent is held in because the metal is punched to have an opening smaller than the ball. You can buy the punches, if I remember correctly they're relatively cheap. But keep in mind that ball detents like this _always_ go on the male portion of the joint, as that's the easier to manufacture side of the coupling. Pin detents work in the same way, just the detent stock is longer compared to a ball, which would require a shorter spring for the same spring force.
Though, a wire detent probably works better in this application due to how small that ball detent would have to be for the thickness of those plates, the wire will get you more surface area, and probably more spring force too, for the thickness of the plate, not to mention it's easier to machine the pin to have the grooves for the detent, again with more surface area, and more rigidity. Each detent and retention style has their place, a ball detent just isn't the one best suited for this application.
About the deformation of metal to hold the ball in. "This Old Tony" has a good video about that." It's a good idea, but I'm not sure how to consistently create the deformation, especially on such a small piece of metal. Originally I thought about having the ball and spring on the other side of the pin held in with a screw. This means I could just drill slightly too shallow to make it impossible for the ball to fall out at all. I didn't think I had enough thickness for as crew though, and didn't want to worry about it being a third small part to lose if you wanted to disassemble you're scissors.
But I agree, I think a wire has much better odds of giving me the spring force I want inside the thickness of material I'm working with.
It's a good learning experience though.
*usually, not always.
Great video. Lots to learn. It is the first time I have seen your video and I subscribed. Keep it up!
Cool dude! Can't wait for the next one :)
I just discovered your channel and am impressed!
It looks like you may have found a suitable solution with the hairspring, but in case you want further inspiration re: ball detent mechanisms, check out, "Locking Quick-Release Pins" (McMaster sells various iterations). The ball(s) reside inside the pin, and pressure is held firm - they only release by manual action.
I'm subscribed...keep up the good work!
"I went from 100 to 3000 subscribers" said the guy who has 17k 2 weeks after.
you have been blessed by the algorithm.
Hey bro nice job I look forward into seeing your design and its features progress even further I find your journey and idea very interesting and fascinating and I cant wait to see how far it comes along
Great idea, did the thinner wire end up working? Space permitting, perhaps a spring on each side would help with the ease of swapping between detents as the shaft looked to be pushed to one side quite a bit as you demonstrated it. I love that you made a 'follower tool' and basically a pin from a standard pin-tumbler lock. Perhaps Bosnian Bill or Lockpicking Lawyer might have some more inspiration for mechanisms you'll need in the future especially regarding tolerances and pin shapes/types and how they bind up while being picked.
love seeing how much your chanel have grown!
Found you from Dave's T2 channel. Neat mechanism.
17k subs now dude, looks like you’ve found an audience and plenty of future customers! Keep it up!
I have to say, this was the first video I have watched from this channel. Very well done. Great machine work, Cad work and the voice over was very well done. Keep up this format and keep moving forward. Good job.
Maybe 3rd time in my history with youtube i got recommended something i would want to watch.
Just subscribed. Your channel is so professional definately 10 mil sub material just wait
"John Grimsmo 2.0". Keep the hard work man.
The Norseman of balisong scissors! jajajaja
This also has me craving another Clickspring video if he ever gets round to it.
Awesome videos can’t wait to see how they turn out when they are finished and buy some:) Congrats on all the new followers!
That kind of spring probably will get tired pretty quickly and deform. A more common design would be to do a little loop at the bend, so that it is the tensile strength of the whole wire and not just the bend that is used for the spring. This way it will not deform as quickly.
Not a bad idea. I can't have a ton of loops like torsion springs often have, but maybe I can find room for one loop if I need too.
I love this idea! Keep up the great work!
Awesome job on the process and trying to figure out the solutions for problems popping up. Keep up the awesome work man and im glad i happened to be recommended your videos.
Nicely done. You have great animations to go with your explanations.
8:46 Failing as quickly as possible is the hallmark of a good maker. The faster you iterate, the sooner you'll run out of ways that don't work! 😁👍
I love this idea/design
How is this guy only have 5.6k subs?!
He's like the coolest guy who knows how to build balisongs/butterfly knife
And play with them. He deserves half a mil subs
first video i saw of yours was the past one. I was not let down, this channels freaking awesome dude
Edit: remember us when you blow up
Take a look at the pins that retain the trigger group of a Remington 870. The round pins have grooves for a C shaped spring clip. Similar idea to the Vee shaped wire you experimented with but done a different way.
Also, have you thought about making the pins and holes tapered? It would add complexity to the machining but the taper would tighten up the joint once the pins were locked into place. In this case I would spring load the pins axially. The spring pressure would then be driving the tapered pin into the tapered hole. If you try this make sure the angle you choose is great enough (larger than 7 degrees) so that it is not a self locking taper.
For the ball detents, the reason they include that little screw with the ball and spring is so you drill one hole, tap that hole for the screw, then insert the item the detent is intended to act against, followed by the ball, spring, and retention/tension screw. Yes, the idea behind the screw is to both to retain the spring and allow for adjustment of spring tension.
Your alternate design is much cheaper and easier, though, and I'm quite impressed.
Sick vid love the idea!!!
Congrats on the subs man! Well deserved
you have such an incredible mind love the content and please keep making more :)
Really enjoy the way you describe your design process, testing and development.
Have you considered keeping the heavy gauge spring wire (more durable, more possitive response) and just making the grove in the pin either shallower or flattening out the valley. I am reminded of the improved detent that the Grimsmo Norseman and North Arms Skaha have?.....Some say it is partially due to their squared off/broad/flattened detent 'ball' rather than just the traditional spherical detent ball .... anyhoo just food for thought. Keep up the great work, thanks for sharing.
That's a great point. This kind of comment is why I made this channel.
Would be even easier to test than buying lots of wire. I was going to reduce the detent size anyway just reduce any slop, but I guess I'd be doubling the reduction in force needed if I did that. I'm trying to think of the difference between thinner wire versus shallower groove. Maybe thicker wire + shallower groove makes a "snappier" button? But would how "secure" the button feels locked in place go up or down? Hmmmm. Too many variables on everything!
@@ContraptionCollection From what I understand you can stabilize the amount of play exhibited by the detent by fine tuning the amount 'wall/overshoot/over travel', this is done on traditional knives by the stop pin. If you can make your detent system exert a slightly positive pressure against the 'stop bar/over travel plate' then you reduce the 'slop/play', increase the positive engagement and in turn increase the security of the detent?
As for tightening other elements in your knifes pin design might I suggest the benefits of introducing tapering face fit, it can allow ease of opperation while gradually but positively engage surfaces.
Apologies for the extended explaination just sharing some ideas, sometimes challenging to put into words.....guess thats why we have CAD and rapid prototyping.
Good luck and have fun working this one out.
@@bunyipdan Yeah, I might offset the grooves in the pins slightly to create some tension in each position, but I don't think it needs much.
I'm not sure if I understand the "tapering face fit" thing. Is there a video or something you could send me?
I'm using a dovetail for the handle scales. Maybe that's similar? I also know about things like tapered pins. Click spring uses them a lot. I want to make my scissors able to be disassembled though.
@@ContraptionCollection Hey there, appologies for late and lengthy reply, I was out bush, no reception......so the tapered face fit I was refering to was where the selector pin and the 'torx like' locking hole mate/bind together, so obviously its difficult to articulate this idea as I am not fluent in either mechanical engineering or CAD terminology.....so I was wondering if you could improve the lock up/binding (reduce backlash/play) in the mechanism by machining a taper into the locking face rather than just a ramp/chamfer (described @3:04). If you use a matching taper (on the pin engaing face and the locking hole) you may be able to get a gradual but zero play fit (because I think the stop is just as importand as the detent fit to the groove).
Also fine tuning the spring - notch engagement might be more rapid in the test phase if you use a fine thread machine screw to allow for adjustment of the lock pin/post/button height.....hope this makes more sense than my last attempt, all the best.
Oh....maybe an idea to have a look at one of those Artisan Cutlery Kinetic-Tool auto Butterfly Multi-Tool, just to see how they managed to get a selectable spring activation in a bali......might give you some ideas on how to include a spring to assist the sissor action......just another random thought, maybe one challenge at a time, cheers
this is still one of the coolest things that i've seen
Wow 1k subs in a day that's actually amazing for someone as small as you