BDO is a Marathon, NOT a Sprint. Stop Worrying about Efficiency and Just Have Fun Again
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Hey blue hope things get better BDO recently helped me through a tough time also, even if the game isn't in a great spot I still find it comforting to play. Thank you for the content you put out!
I've been playing bdo for a bit over a year, doing a little bit of everything (except pvp since I'm not really interested) and enjoying every bit of progress I make, no matter how big or small. I'm at 292/284 ap and 370 dp, made myself a TET awk blackstar (since I wanted to try doing it myself instead of taking the freebie) for the main, and a PEN Artina Sol for a linked shai, while also taking my time with the jetina stuff, made a t9 doom and dine (I really hate afk horse training but I wanted them lol) recently made it (with buffs and tri manos) to 1800 life mastery to do sniper hunting, made my first carrack a few months ago, finished the second one just today and now starting the road to at least one set of blue gear since the sea stuff has been my favorite so far. Your guides helped me a great deal when I started Blue, and I wanted to share my journey so far, thanks for everything :)
If PA did the same sovereign/karazad changes to armors & lifeskill gear while reworking lifeskills to make closer to 1-1.2b/h + reduce the overall dependency on crons & make new ways to get memeory fragments. The game would be in a much better state imo.
I hope life skill gets a revamp... but its just cope. Unless they release another acc like you said, but still cron hell hole if so. sad!
What about pvp? Plus it's plenty of ways to get mem frags. But none to get art memory
1.2B/h is too much for semi active content imo. I would agree that 600-800 KK/hour would be fine. more than that, is an insult to those who grind. You can nonstop lifeskill. after you have a setup, you dont need to do much, but, 99% of people dont grind like choice. if someone does not like lifeskilling, he would be years behind lifeskillers just because he grinds 5 hours a day which is an insane ammount.
the thing is, the average lifeskiller will lifeskill for more hours a day than the average grinder will grind. Let's build a hypothesis. Well if the average time per day the average lifeskiller does is lets say 10 hours, and the grinder is 2 hours, does the 2 hours should give the same ammount of money than the 10 hours lifeskilled? how should we balance this?
Making lifeskill 1.2B/h just like average grinding is just insane. Lifeskillers would make 12B a day and grinders would be making 2B. I do agree the balance in this is too much into grinding.
instead of B/h i think we should do a day metric. maybe " capping" the Lifeskill money to be something like 3-4 hours of grinding so, the average lifeskiller would get 5B/day instead of a quantity per hour. he could get more if more efficient or never turning off the pc. but letting lifeskillers potentialy make 24B a day is insane.
@JPORTES depends on lifeskill really agree with semi afk ones while hunting is in decent spot gathering really needs a buff
@The_Chocalate_One Artisan memories are p2w enhancing material though?
My favorite memory from BDO was when my group decided to troll our local try hard who was irritated we weren't all doing all the min-maxed stuff for crons.... so we all got together and streamed the entire group walking from Port Eupheria to the lava caves to toss the one Cron to rule them all into the fires of Mt Doom. He lost his crap. It was great.
that's just hilarious, love it
I don't think I've ever seen no one at the Hidel storage, you usually have to fight through the crowd.
BDO is the only game i know that has MILLIONS of old systems and things that could easily be upgraded to provide content to the player base. Fishing totems, trade, boats, Sea content etc.
Hey Blue, just wanted to drop a message and let you know how much your content means to me and so many others.
You've always been a bright, shiny spot in our days 🥚 and I hope that some light finds its way to you, too, during these tough times.
Take care and know we're rooting for you, always. 💙
Thanks so much for all the warm love and support. Tough times right now.
The mindset of "if i'm not doing X thing, I'm wasting my time" IS THE PROBLEM. People need to stop thinking in terms of efficiency and think in terms of fun, "am i having fun doing what I am doing?", if yes, then you aren't wasting your time.
Appreciate the video as always. I hope things get better for you soon
Just have fun in the games you love to play! We're here to enjoy what we love to enjoy, sweat if you wanna sweat, relax if you wanna relax guys! 💞
I felt the trading rant in my soul. Turned in something like 12k crates a while back and just sat there looking at my profit like... "Wow, I can buy one whole costume now after months of dedicated work."
I think what bugs me with classes in PvE is that some classes have these large tactical nukes that blow up a massive area, and classes I prefer playing have just dogshit coverage that miss a mob i can spit in it's face. Hard to find a class i like to grind with long term.
Stay Strong blue! "The darkest storms color the brightest rainbows."
I love to play BDO cuz I look like I’m in anime fights. If I got one other person who can help me achieve that on BDO ,my enjoyment for the game is fulfilled. A lot of people on console only PvP when it’s nw/siege . Different strokes for different folks. Another banger Blue I still appreciate your BDO content
100% would not play this game for thousands of hours if I couldn't get anime fights. The most fun I had in the game is dueling friends in Battle Arena or in the open world and keep training together. That's golden BDO experience for me.
Aye, my boy Luneye! Let's go :D
Grinding for silver? Nah 🙅🏻
Shooting boars, tigers and bears with a sniper rifle and make 500+mil from getting a crystal of decimation 💯🦅
Count me in haha
Use to grind like crazy every day after getting back to BDO, now i do what its chill for me. Hunting.
It's chill, fun and gives me silver.
Go around picking up herbs that i will never use cause i hate alchemy but it feels relaxing.
With my old retired war shai, game can be enjoyned even if you're not that much geared.
Still missing PvP, missing fighting in red battlefield. Now it's always empty.
Life skill is still a grind lmao
I was more of a Shadow Lion hunter. Desperately hope for heads + breath lol
As someone that likes bartering and cooking, the reason I like to do this in particular is that it doesn't require me to push buttons lol, but I also like sailing around on the boat. I've accepted I will not make nearly as much silver as grinding (and when I do grind, it's just Gyfin or Dehkia Hystria)
Hey my scholar just made into a blue stream 😂. I was the reassembled scholar fishing in Viela right at the beginning of that run up Viela beach. I played this morning did my HP grind weeklies. I just do the weeklies already have my baby pot and full MP pot.
07:42 what TENEBRIFERO said in the chat and I completely agree with Blue.
Marni's realm did not take away the sandbox aspect of the game.
BDO has lost far too many players and far too much money due to Alt C and one-sided decs. This is not my opinion, this is Pearl Abyss's opinion or else they wouldn't have change the system. But this is a problem they themselves created and the consequences are happening a decade later.
People like you have the right to vote irl... No shyt the world is collapsing
well ppl quit because the one sided decs got removed, but almost
@@Warriorsito As I said: IT'S NOT MY OPINION.
Pearl abyss lost a fucking lot of players and decided to change the systems. That's a FACT. Do you know the difference between a FACT and OPINION?
Are you illiterate or something? I'm really sad that you vote, you can't even read.
@@gamekiller28 No, people really quit when the nodewars were destroyed.
It was already bad but PA managed to make it even worse.
Know you only mentioned it for a second but i hope youre doing well in your personal life, things will always get better. Thank you for everything you do
"Get off my horse" lmao I'm ded XD
Thing with a marathon is at least you feel like you accomplished something at the end when you cross that finish line. A sense of wonder and self worth that you got fit enough to cross that line and run the whole marathon. Bdo is more of a Trial of patience. A test of ones selfworth and finding solitude in loneliness.
Was hyped for new grindzones in loml, but they're just tower desert online again. At least someone like this can enjoy them I guess.
I always tell people BDO is the perfect game to grind then take a long break and come back.
I’m still waiting for trading to come back, it was fun riding around the map with trade goods. Hope they bring it back soon
Bro the thumbnail on this is terrifying. Why is she stanced like that?!?!
Honestly what i think should happen in terms of grinding is keep spots how they are but make Dekhia variant for nearly every spot ingame which will give different items but close to the same money per hour so its up to the players to pick a spot and not worry about efficiency
Lifeskills just need to be made to avoid market in somekind of way.
Bartering and horse training is for me the only true reliable way to make money that you know will be money regardless of when it has been made even if a lot less
Based on how much I have searched and asked around, it feels like there are many more players using standalone launchers instead of Steam. Also some sites say that BDO has way more than 25k daily logins. Maybe constantly there are at least 25k online and then plus people who come and go. Hard to know what is the reality though.
I'm 18k hour+ in the game and enjoying the game a lot. I'm mostly doing quite inefficient things, but I'm having fun though ;)
Good takes, nice video. I'm happy to see your more positive attitude :)
Whatever is going on in your personal life - hang in there
Succ Valk? legit D tier, pretty frustrating, but i love her so much
People just need to understand that BDO is a sandbox game. You play how you want. I've been playing since beta and I still consider myself super casual. I lifeskill a lot, grind for treasure items, spend most of my time fishing, doing guild missions, and hanging out in the dancing marlin tavern.
I tried the hardcore stuff for a while. Joined shakybay's guild and participated in siege... not really my thing. Never gave a shit about reaching hardcap.
Love this game. I also love : donkey kong country, Es Laf++ ,dnf duel, diablo 2 mods, pokemon vgc doubles battles, smash, rivals of aether, lethal league blaze, sometimes League when i feel like Aram. But you know i play BDO the most rn. Something about it with the combat+the almost near impossible gear gains has me hooked.
PA should give consistent money to any activity in game. Lifeskill, RBF, etc... You should be able to make at least half of what grinding makes with ANY other content in the game.
Max income for gathering is 1,1 - 1,3 (marketplace sell) an hour. With the right class, with 2k+ mastery, lvl 5 headgog and every + % gatheringamount you can get. And its still only little bit over half compared to the best grindspots, but i enjoy it so who cares :)
me afking with a vells running, waiting for tomatoes to grow
when i first started bdo, like beginning to mid of 2023 and I remember thinking that bdo haves a huge online dating scene lmao watching twitch bdo streamers and guild mates at the time who met their partners thru the game
The issue at 22min i wonder if they could do something with the node investment system to over time upgrade nodes to be within reason of not grinding at the best spots so you can grind you favorite spots. Just a spit ball bc on the other hand i feel like that wouldnt be good for lower spots if you had end game players at pollies just bc there node is maxed out or something.
idk man im just doing alchemy while working from home lawl
Fun / h > currency
I mean...I like efficiency, just because bdo is a grindy game, and if you do your grind the right way you can do it in 10 hours instead of 20 (just a random example)
I was having fun unitl I started doing things with efficiency because of Life Skilling, then I left BDO, now I'm coming back slowly and every time I got this thoughs I imediatly close the game
Trading needs a buff, it's crazy how much time has to go into making the crates and then you can move them for max distance and make peanuts. I want to get into Bartering and Trading but I want to make some real money for the time investment.
make bdo great again ✊
8=D✊
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it...? But what if its a tree in Ashes of Creation???
Im on na server and i dont use steam to play the game. i just returned to bdo and am starting to really get into it. started playing bdo in 2018, but im still a new player i ony got like 300 hr. but a few months ago returned and fell back in love with this game. now im playing everyday lol im struggling but it hurts so good. no deboreka's so im fucked.
i know this isnt doom content, but it feels like it... again.
I'm gonna be honest. A lot of the side activities in this game were on track to be fun/comparable to grinding. But the old school BDO crew that was around in 2017/2020 would absolutely trash/destroy anything and everything that even came close. This resulted in side activities getting repeatedly nerfed or abandoned. Now we are in this weird pigeon hole of "Must efficient grind forever" and the sandbox elements are getting neglected. Yes the Devs are at fault for willingly abandoning aspects of the game, but the players did keep destroying it. I'm salty about this because the alternatives were things I enjoyed doing over grinding.
Don't have to worry about this mindset anymore, no point to push for gear. The only time I did this was when our wars and open world drove me to want to be better for my guild fights
Struggling with the UI of BDO after like 10 hours is purely a skill issue
how many times do i have to tell you blue, more of your DOG IN THE VIDEO LESS OF YOU!
more dog
less you
dew it
the only thing I miss about bdo is playing Lahn, Lahn Skins and afk fishing. Imagine TnL with afk fishing 😂
it would be only 30 minutes of AFK fishing allowed per day, but you can buy extra time for $$$ 🤣
Guys dont grind at bloodwolves, its suboptimal and bad. If you grind there on arsha you are cringe and you are wasting your time.
I grind infinite potion spots on arsha at 760 gs. IM CRINGE D:
i am pretty sure more players play on the webclient than on steam no clue if he was just joking, its like playing gta5 on steam and not in the rockstar client or witcher on steam than on gog
no pvp = no fun
I wish I could have the fun, but while playing I have a though that a lot of people are leaving the game each day. My guild is dead. I prefer to play other MMO where I can see players running around and interact with them. If I approach this game as a solo or singleplayer game then maybe yes, but not as MMO. "when your friends are quitting, you are quitting too". For me gear has no value apart from going to spend another 100h+ on another spot. Before that I at least wanted to gear up my char just to protect my spot or do some open world pvp.
40:32 Animals cares...
Is anyone else having a problem with pressing F instead of R after playing Throne and Liberty for a while?
They put themselves in the spot when they either grind or buy progression from pa, so no wonder they have to be efficient to make that choice, at least somewhat justified
it's frustrating when sweaty tryharders are complaining daily in the chat about no content or bdo being a dead game, i mean you have other options to refresh your mind like sailing
bruh that guy in chat asking 10 qustions bout player numbers was cringe lol
I haz a donkey and a t8 and im not upgrading!
I really hope this game get its shit together, i wanna come back, but man…pvp is rough and grinding in circle is becoming old after years, but in all honesty TnL is not so fun after getting to hardcap…pvp is a shitfest there too
Ofcourse its trash as well, you are just jumping from one p2w game to another. Stop playing p2w games and we might actually get some good mmos...
10:00 a few days ago, my char git killed while riding over night in duvencrune. I wasnt on arsha. Thought pvp got fixed or do I miss sth 🤔
I dont get it why centaurs are the most silver per hour, the spot as fat as I can tell, one of the really whack ones. Even polly forest is kooler to grind lol
I’m having the most fun in years - by playing other games since they ruined pvp
The only best way to "Efficiency " is P2W. So get your ass off and go find a job so u can have money to P2W
Whole game built in a way to get you into the silver/h mindset. You just get fomo-d into spamming R never reading the quests, lore or caring about any social interaction. It could be nice game if it wouldnt be like this.
Yeah efficiency doesn't work in BDO because of you will hard for years then the game just gives it out for free.
You don't like Tamer?
yeah, i suck at orcs xD
bdo would be best mmo easily imo if they just got rid of value/kama buffs. I'll let you monetize my time once with loot scrolls, whatever. But twice is just too much i can never feel like i'm having fun
U can play with no value/kama and u loose nothing at all, i do it all the time.
Marni Realm is one of the best thing in my opinion. Before that I came home from work and had only about 1 or 2h to play the game in the evening. Now imagine now being able to grind for 1h in peace to make some gains. Some days I couldn't grind at all because how contested spots were, and also my bad for playing succession Lahn that is great in PvE, but very limited at 1vs1.
Maybe limit Marni to 2h per day, so if you want to grind more you have to fight for spot like in the "good old days".
29:21 how are you still single?
Whoever that person that said PA should give out T10 horses since it's their 10th anniversary, bless your fingers mate if that happens! 😇
Where does that marathon lead you though?
Don't listen to these losers. It is a hardcore sprint. If you don't put in the hours and effort your gear will be obsolete until you get it to soft cap.
lifeskillers often make similar money as mob grinders while they are piss chilling 1 apm watching a cooking tutorial on the side and cooking in the kitchen IRL while clicking on innocents deers with a gun in their hands
Tell me you know nothing about lifeskilling
You have no clue about life skilling wtf
They dont make same as grinding not even near personally I count hunting same as grinding
@ hunting is a lifeskill tho
bdo is def a sprint now, you ain't getting geared before the game shuts down
But I just started November 2024!
It’s gonna go offline on crimson desert launch, Jan 3rd 2025 is the end.
Hey Blue why you talk good now ? You got some payment from PA ?
Game is totally #SHHIT
Full of garbage Pay2Win , if you play as a normal player you never succeed any attempt . Account are scripted , some guy can never fail a single Enchant and some can never succeed a single one .
BDO is a Marathon . Loser mind from 2016 after they quit after V roulette . Now PA change the game to be only CronStone Melting so PA win and player are stupid to continue to pay for that garbage . I totally don't like the monetization from first month of the game to now . And now is extremely Pay2Win compare to before . So no i don't like be killed by a kid with more Gear because him was Carried or him pay more . MMORPG without a balance and stable PvP are a dead MMORPG .
This video isnt efficient
bdo isn't a sandbox anymore, u cannot grind anywhere anymore
Dead game
Where is a 4 bill per hour gathering spot? Asking for a friend of mine
Enjoying/Efficient