Im so glad im not the only person who noticed a change in the super counters I was so dialed in on the timing that I was past the point of spamming the inputs anymore and then the update happened and it felt like I couldn’t do it anymore so I went back to spamming it and would get it off once every 20-30 hit combo lmao thanks for the info though just gotta dial back in the timing feels like the windows tighter for it now too but imma chalk that up to a skill issue lol but no amount of training will help with the latency of online matches sadly lol
@ nah I feel that, but bro he’s nasty asf at sparking and does really good educational videos on it. Fs check him out again if you tryna be nice at sparking
@FuTech101opinions vary for sure but I’m the same as you and I think it’s the action of doing them together that helps with inputting at the right time my brother can spam the inputs still and get it off just as well as I can and he was gonna try to start timing it properly and couldn’t land any at all so I was like fuck it don’t fix what ain’t broken and back to spamming he went lmao
Very good explanation and thanks for saying that you can hold forward and that would not count as spamming the counter, so you can focus on holding forward and pressing attack once every second
Yo Ty i found i way to fix rushchain dash stiffnes. After the Upkick instead of side dash>chain like before. Now you gotta Upkick, Back dash (to unlock movement) then side dash mid air real quick into chain. It works bro. It might deserve a video. Try it out jus got done labbing in timechamber it has to be real fast. Order is Upkick>Back dash>Side dash>into chain
The worst thing for me is that i cannot use the pad in my controller for directional input in standard controls so i have to use the joystick and it feels inconsistent, clunky and not precise at all.
It’s not clunky at all on joystick it’s more sensitive. Move your character forward slowly and notice how lightly you can press up to move, that right there is the start of your up input to press square with for a SC. Most are pressing the analog all the way up then pressing square at the same time with it by that point it’s too late….my SC got way better once I realized this it’s in between that initial motion with up that you press square with it not when the analog is fully pushed
nice but against fast characters it is still worth spamming because the chances to do a super counter are higher imo, while if you don't spam you have to be extremely precise after every second if you continually miss the counter
Thing is, I can super counter all day against flurry attacks like characters i.e. Burter, Kid Buu but it's completely another story against slugs, basically Broly lookalikes fighting wise.
Why the HELL would they change super counters duuuude I just learned how to do them semi reliably now it feels horrible. Idk what the frames are on it now before you can do it again after messing it up.
Gotta be the worst mechanic in any dragonball game. No idea what they were thinking making frame specific inputs in a party game primarily played online with varying levels of latency
So when you and the gamma 2 are bouncing super counters off of each other, are you holding W the whole time and timing the F? Or are you pressing one at a time there
What if u successfully hit a super counter but they vanish or super counter back do u still have to release and press the forward key again or do that only apply if you miss the super counter. Im guessing its the latter
Ngl i understood it did it back to back three times then they updated the game typically i feel like lan cable is good and if not maybe purchasing sparking on pc is the best bet
I knew this shit had got nerfed i been playing this game since release had the timing down packed, put it down for a month and now i can’t counter shit 😭
Just got back to the game and a friend crushed me with gogeta... you are telling me i have to dominate this technique in order to just counter his buttonmashing? Dude... I dont know if I want to...
No. Learn block defense (high/low), vanish timing (alternative to using SC), Sidesteping your opponents attacks, and during your own combos to mix up with high low attacks, DONT perception spam but if you learn the timing you can get out of their combos, dashing/flying up or down to escape combos and reset the fight, Health and Ki Management by switching characters, and not button mashing yourself and learning actual combos. Skill requires Effort.
I don’t wanna be argumentative but how does pressing to buttons = flicking up a stick and pressing a button? It’s literally not the same. sparking doesn’t provide any info on the dead zone of the analog stick so there’s no way to tell if you’re actually hitting properly. Obviously with two buttons on a keyboard both the inputs are mechanical so it’s gonna register way more consistently
ngl i'm still spamming it gang
😭😭😭
😂
And it still works. I only time it for vanish wars and I get em pretty often.
Lmaoo
Gay.
Im so glad im not the only person who noticed a change in the super counters I was so dialed in on the timing that I was past the point of spamming the inputs anymore and then the update happened and it felt like I couldn’t do it anymore so I went back to spamming it and would get it off once every 20-30 hit combo lmao thanks for the info though just gotta dial back in the timing feels like the windows tighter for it now too but imma chalk that up to a skill issue lol but no amount of training will help with the latency of online matches sadly lol
Patching a counter that already takes skill is crazy. I hope enough complaints go in and they undo it
I'm getting the hang of it again, but fr it's definitely more hard to get
@@steviemacaroni1899 i feel like ts is easier idk why
This video solved my issue with the update. I couldn’t land a super counter to save my life. Now I got it more consistently
finally something concise, easy to follow, AND pertaining to the new patch. thanks breh
From what life of rio said, just keep the up input held and time the square, if you miss it let go for one second hold up again and time the square
Haven’t heard that name in ages. Really since warframe
@ nah I feel that, but bro he’s nasty asf at sparking and does really good educational videos on it. Fs check him out again if you tryna be nice at sparking
idk why i feel like pressin up and ssquare instead of holding up is so much easier for me.
@FuTech101opinions vary for sure but I’m the same as you and I think it’s the action of doing them together that helps with inputting at the right time my brother can spam the inputs still and get it off just as well as I can and he was gonna try to start timing it properly and couldn’t land any at all so I was like fuck it don’t fix what ain’t broken and back to spamming he went lmao
Hella funny, was just thinking we needed a new video for this since the patch. Blessed
Bro took us back to school 0:45
😂😂👩🏫
Over 2 months later and I still can’t get the timing right 💔
Very good explanation
and thanks for saying that you can hold forward and that would not count as spamming the counter, so you can focus on holding forward and pressing attack once every second
Yo Ty i found i way to fix rushchain dash stiffnes. After the Upkick instead of side dash>chain like before.
Now you gotta Upkick, Back dash
(to unlock movement)
then side dash mid air real quick into chain.
It works bro. It might deserve a video. Try it out jus got done labbing in timechamber
it has to be real fast.
Order is Upkick>Back dash>Side dash>into chain
Dude this video is so useful! Thanks for this
Great Tutorial!❤
Yessir goat is back with the gamer tech vids
Bro made an equation to super counters
Appreciate you bro..Just earned yourself a subscriber lol
I got more consistent with the super counters recently but I can't do it every single time like some players do
The little big planet ost just bought back memories 😭
What you know about that
I’m seeing I’m listening I’m analyzing and I still ain’t gettin no sc you just a natural talent
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The worst thing for me is that i cannot use the pad in my controller for directional input in standard controls so i have to use the joystick and it feels inconsistent, clunky and not precise at all.
It’s not clunky at all on joystick it’s more sensitive. Move your character forward slowly and notice how lightly you can press up to move, that right there is the start of your up input to press square with for a SC. Most are pressing the analog all the way up then pressing square at the same time with it by that point it’s too late….my SC got way better once I realized this it’s in between that initial motion with up that you press square with it not when the analog is fully pushed
@c0wboys4life ill try it, thanks!
bro ur a fucking goat i thought i was just bad but this vid makes more sense
Sounds like BT3 timing for supercounters (z-counters), which is about 1 - 1.5 seconds.
nice but against fast characters it is still worth spamming because the chances to do a super counter are higher imo, while if you don't spam you have to be extremely precise after every second if you continually miss the counter
True
rng super counter is crazy
Gracias!
🔥🔥🔥🔥
Mf brought us back to school with that whiteboard example😂😂 🔥
Thing is, I can super counter all day against flurry attacks like characters i.e. Burter, Kid Buu but it's completely another story against slugs, basically Broly lookalikes fighting wise.
Why the HELL would they change super counters duuuude I just learned how to do them semi reliably now it feels horrible. Idk what the frames are on it now before you can do it again after messing it up.
thank you for this video! this explanation was much needed after the update!
idc about super counters, I just want a button to deactivate the UI n make the screen look CLEAN
Gotta be the worst mechanic in any dragonball game. No idea what they were thinking making frame specific inputs in a party game primarily played online with varying levels of latency
Bro thought I’d miss little big planet OST
I totally validate
So when you and the gamma 2 are bouncing super counters off of each other, are you holding W the whole time and timing the F? Or are you pressing one at a time there
Hold forward then timing attack
@Tymier thank you so much I didn't know u could do that
U hv to try in PS5 , it’s harder timing on PS5 than PC
Where did you get 1 second from?
It's not guaranteed. I'm assuming 1 sec gives you better odds during rush attacks due to the super counter change
i feel like i just gained over 9000 EXP points. Thanks choom
Ain't no way bro is playing Sparking Zero with mouse and keyboard 😭
Do you hear me gang 😭NO WAY
Thank you now I can code my macro at 1000 ms between super counters
???
please teach me
Show me your binds for keyboard pls I want to play on mine too
What if u successfully hit a super counter but they vanish or super counter back do u still have to release and press the forward key again or do that only apply if you miss the super counter. Im guessing its the latter
Yeah you gotta do the input again at the right time
^
Ngl i understood it did it back to back three times then they updated the game typically i feel like lan cable is good and if not maybe purchasing sparking on pc is the best bet
Thanks sure
How did you find the cooldown to be one second? I don't think there's any frame data available as of now
Patch notes
how tf do u dodge a instant transmission !! everyone does it to me idk how
Press ur charge key, and jump key at same time when u notice they used it
Do you find a rhythm first or do you just immediately start super counter - pause - super counter whenever you get hit with a combo ?
It’s to the rhythm of your opponents attacks
^
Can u transform or switch character while using keyboard in online pvp?
Still bugged
I knew this shit had got nerfed i been playing this game since release had the timing down packed, put it down for a month and now i can’t counter shit 😭
Is this on PC?
thx
Shit is hard af bro
What about for the PS5
its the same thing. input super counters slowly
@Tymier appreciate it my guy
112 hours and i still cant get the damn timing 💔💔
One second? Didnt the cd go from 12 frames to 30?
Where do u see this
I don't have a God damn sharingan 😂
I really like it’s a skill issue now, spamming is not the way…
Just got back to the game and a friend crushed me with gogeta... you are telling me i have to dominate this technique in order to just counter his buttonmashing? Dude... I dont know if I want to...
@@JuanzerZ it’s easier on gogeta ssj4. If that’s the character he’s using
@@Tymier that one
No. Learn block defense (high/low), vanish timing (alternative to using SC), Sidesteping your opponents attacks, and during your own combos to mix up with high low attacks, DONT perception spam but if you learn the timing you can get out of their combos, dashing/flying up or down to escape combos and reset the fight, Health and Ki Management by switching characters, and not button mashing yourself and learning actual combos. Skill requires Effort.
If you cant beat a button smasher then you’ve got a lot of work to do other than learn super countering.
@ tf all of that means...
I tried returning my game and I couldn’t cuz it was already open. This game has too much of a skill and timing for it to be enjoyable
Y'all don't find this as annoying as vanish wars?
Pc lil more responsive
daijoubu T_T
lol using a keyboard is obviously way easier than a controller
It’s easier on controller
@@TymierI think it's the same on every peripheral.
@@Ostrid1 same
I don’t wanna be argumentative but how does pressing to buttons = flicking up a stick and pressing a button? It’s literally not the same. sparking doesn’t provide any info on the dead zone of the analog stick so there’s no way to tell if you’re actually hitting properly. Obviously with two buttons on a keyboard both the inputs are mechanical so it’s gonna register way more consistently
It’s too hard
It is but the whole game is about timing once you realize it’s get easy
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Dude really had to explain common comprehension 😂🤣 yall sorry asl
And yet here you are, on his video
Super counter so ass I tried everything