Ask Ian: My Most Unsafe Range Experience (Incoming Rounds!)
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From Brian on Patreon:
"What’s the dumbest or most unsafe thing you’ve ever witnessed while out shooting in the desert or at a range / match?"
That would definitely be when a pair of totally movie shooters out at my desert shooting range spot decided to violate Rule 4 (Know your target and what is behind it) and ended up dropping rounds right into the place where my wife and I were shooting.
Second place is a match I attended that was designed as a simultaneous head-to-head competition between two shooters. One particular stage had both competitors advancing down a long bay, but if one was a lot faster than the other, they ended up downrange of the slow shooter, taking fire. Oops!
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Imagine going out to buy one's first firearm. You and your wife go out to the desert to practice on the advice from the gun store. Half way through your session, you get a visit from Gun Jesus!
"Thou knowest not where thine rounds travel. Here, my child, send thine fury towards the hillside"
"Also, wouldst thou like to try some obscure fully automatic prototype from the 1930's that I brought out to film for youtube with my wife?"
If they only knew how blessed they were...
This is by far the best response!
I beggeth my lord to bless my bottle of napier so i may annoint my weapon with holy oil.
Holy cow! Comedy gold right here. Kudos! ^-^
🤣🤣🤣
I was at an indoor range, and this old-timer came in with his teenage grandson to teach him to shoot. They did pretty well, but then flipped the rifle over to put it in the case and in doing so flagged everyone else in the range/shop. I was shooting in the adjacent lane at the time and didn't realize something was going on until I heard the RSO yelling something behind me - ripped this grandpa a new one. Grandpa apologized, RSO said "it's not a huge deal, just learn and here's how to do it right next time"... and the grandpa said "no, it IS a big deal and I screwed up and could've hurt someone so thanks for catching me". That grandson learned two things that day - safe directions AND owning up to your mistakes.=
Great comment with a great lesson.
@@chazmichaelmichaels88 And a great grandpa; he was humble enough to let himself be the subject of a great lesson for his grandson.
Great job grandpa to that kid. We all make mistakes and now his safety is improved. Great job all around. I'm a shooter too and had a guy point a jamming tec 9 I think he was trying to go full auto. It just jammed and he would tilt it pointing it at me then beat the hell out of the side opp ejection port. I HAD TO ASK NICE TWICE THEN SAID HEY ASSHOLE IF YOU POINT YOUR SHITTY TEC9 AT ME AGAIN MY SIG WILL BE POINTED AT YOU AND SHE GOES BANG EVERY TIME, SO please don't point your fucking gun at me again. He started to puff up but his kid told him dad you have been pointing that at his several times. He got red and stormed off.
I came into an indoor range one time and I know the owner. He told me he just ejected someone for pulling a "Barney Fife". The dude put a dent in the concrete floor when he holstered his weapon. He got a lifetime ban.
Range safety requires 2 very important things to be effective; the RSO must be capable of immediate and effective correction of the mistake (or the perceived mistake that appears imminent) and each shooter MUST make a personal commitment to safety. The latter means that ego has no place on the range. You have to accept that for all your training and experience its possible that you will make a mistake and you must be able to accept the correction and be thankful that the RSO is there to make certain that everyone can enjoy time at the range. In fact, any inherently dangerous activity, driving included, becomes more so when people can't set their ego aside. Equally, that danger is mitigated dramatically when we watch out for each other fully accept responsibility for safety. Its not the RSO's fault I screwed up, so why treat him like he's the a**hole?
Ian remembers the fifth rule of gun safety: when you take fire, go for the big flank and catch your assailant unawares, still looking at your original position :D
Yes but it's usually advisable to take your guns with you when you do this.
@@tackytrooper Knife is all you need.
@@tackytrooper I‘d expect Ian to have some spares with him.
This one really got me! 🤣
@@AgiHammerthief You should take the guns with you as much for the guns' security as for your own.
“There is nothing more exhilarating than to be shot at with no result.”
― Winston Churchill
Yup. Giving yourself the old pat down and not finding any leaks is always a relief.
ian admits he has a wife. this is big. i always assumed he was gay
@@cagneybillingsley2165 bruh he's had his wife shooting guns during demonstrations in older videos
@@Gameprojordan yeah ..but..he's gun jesus...dude who spent his life in a boyband of 12...and no girls in his friends group..so that assumption isn't far off
"A bullet can't stop the Bull Moose. TR'll give WC the full deuce." - Teddy Roosevelt
I was once shooting sporting clays at a range when we started getting pelted in the face by a station farther down; they couldn't see us through the brush. Being birdshot and far away it didn't penetrate the skin but did leave marks. Without safety glasses we could have lost an eye.
We notified an older gentleman working at the range and in the most sarcastic and smart ass way possible he said, do you want me to put a bandaid on it?
We never went back to that range.
WOW, what a ###hole!
It's always older people at clay pigeon shoots that have curious notions of gun safety.
My example comes from when we were going over the basics of safety to a group of mostly new shooters, myself and two others being experienced enough in target shooting and so on to know the routine. The instructor covered the basics - treat the gun like it's loaded at all times, don't point it at people or things you don't want to shoot, be careful of where you're shooting at, yaddayadda. After that was done I left the group to go and get a cup of coffee... only to return to seeing my two experienced shooting friends gawping in shock as the instructor was standing directly in front of an aimed gun held by one of the new shooters, the muzzle pointed straight at his face, gripping the barrel from the underside and instructing the novices on how to get a good sight picture with a shotgun.
It was unbelievable.
That level of negligence by the staff is criminal, or probably should be
@@CephalopodsRock could certainly become criminal negligence with an accidental discharge
Not only should the other shooters have seen you, but that sounds like the sporting clays stations were setup horribly!
The stations should have never been pointed at each other.
Oh the stories many a range officer could tell. Notable one : Shooter enters concrete admin blockhouse carrying his 1911. I ordered him out of the blockhouse with his weapon. He protested that he had "cleared it", proceded to pull the trigger to demonstrate, and pinged a 230 hardball around inside the blockhouse that lodged in the oak desk in front of me. Earned me new skivvies and him a lifetime ban.
Did you leave the bullet as a warning or remove it as a souvenir?
This is why I have a vest and a helmet for public range shooting. Private shooting is much safer as it is my family and we can yell at each other without offending anyone
@@johncusatis3219 privately operated shooting club range. Every shooter receives training on range etiquette, safe gun handling, range operation, and all the safety requirements. Two 6 hour days, written exam. And, in the end, stupid people abound. 🙂
Obvious gun safety violations aside, why do you not allow folks to carry a gun in the gun range admin building? Does that include carry guns?
@@jimyeats Probably bc there's a decent chance their coming off a hot-range, so stuff like this occurs "bc it's cleared!"
The most unsafe thing I've ever seen at the range was one guy shooting from a bench while his buddy was next to his target 100 yrds away pointing to his impacts with a stick. They were old and trying to avoid walking back and forth to check their groups. I guess they forgot to bring a spotting scope so this was plan B to avoid walking.
easily the funniest comment so far
sounds like a comedy skit
Boomer moment
Wow.
Guess they really, _really_ didn't wanna go home that afternoon
I was at an indoor range at a stall beside the classic “boyfriend teaching his girlfriend to shoot” scenario. He repeatedly stepped back out of the stall with uncased firearms, and I was on my way to complain to the RSO when she turned all the way around holding the AR pistol she had been shooting and pointed it directly at my head. I reflexively grabbed the muzzle to get it away from my face, and got a nice birdcage burn for my trouble. Fortunately the RSO happened to be watching the CCTV when that happened, and ejected them. That’s the worst I’ve been scared in a long time.
Glad it was just a burn and not a hole in your head.
I had a group of what I think were teen's at a pistol range decide that the giant red lights and buzzer denoting a cold range and guy standing out in the pistol range at his target meant it was time to walk up, load their guns, wave them around muzzle sweeping each other and then get ready to shoot while I'm standing there about 10 yards away yelling at them to put that fucking thing down and point it away from me.
So she shot?
It's bullshit that it even got to that level. The RSO should have seen the boyfriend stepping out of the booth with firearms and nipped that immediately. I do gunsmithing at our local range part time and if they're short on staff or super busy I'll step in the range and help out.... Just in the short time I've been helping I've seen some wild shit that still gives me nightmares. Luckily we have a zero nonsense policy and we're allowed to be strict and reprimand at our discretion and most of the guys follow it pretty well. It's crazy how some people react around total strangers, unaware of how easily it is to end someone's life. I almost got in a fist fight with a guy that thought he could hold his cell phone camera in one hand and shoot with the other. I wasn't even that strict with him at first, I just made sure he didn't do anything crazy and waited until he was done and told him please don't do that and to please think of others safety. He gave me a shitty look and acted as if I didn't exist..... Low and behold not even 5 minutes later I catch him doing the same fucking thing and I'll admit, I totally lost my temper and should have never cussed at him but it turned very ugly, I was ready to beat the everloving shit out of him. Luckily we had good staff at the time, got the shit separated, patron got a 3 month ban and they've kept me back in the shop ever since lol. It's one thing to unknowingly break safety rules, "even though there's zero excuse for that", but it's a totally different story when you blatantly disregard others safety out of sheer disrespect for your cute little video on social media.
@@TerminalM193 From a non-US POV: Your story is a lot weirder than Michaels. The percentage of idiots is probably a constant, but each and every society has its idiotic behaviours it emboldens and adult society might some day learn (who am i kidding..) but till then you can only nip that behavior in the but and hope that you are not one of the unlucky ones who gets unlucky.
And the US is especially weird when it comes to this culture/social media aspect of firearms. Sorry, was just time for my monthly "why for the love of god would you wee a deadly tool as semi-sacred and yet use it in such a stupid way" rant..
Definitely the least safe I've ever seen was new shooters "practicing skeet shooting" by having one guy stand down range and throw clays nearly vertically. Dude was getting muzzle swept every time the shooters (there was more than one) raised their shotguns. Talked to them about why it was a bad idea, how you should throw outwards instead of upwards, everything turned out ok.
Oh skeet
Skeet almost got real there...
That’s wild
Mother of God
Definitely don't be shy about correcting other people doing unsafe stuff at the range. Launching clays while standing downrange of the shooter is NUTS, glad you set them straight.
I used to shoot .22 ISSF and we once a lady drive a car onto the range halfway through a match. The range had wood pole fences running halfway down on either side of the covered firing points and she obviously took a wrong turn on to the road used by the tractors to mow the lawn and ended up coming around the fence and onto the lawn between the firing points and the targets. I've never see someone's eyes go as wide as hers did when she realized she was staring down 50 barrels pointed in her general direction from the prone position. Suffice to say the range officer's command to cease fire was about 3 octaves higher than normal😆
Jesus, what a fun experience it was for everyone involved.
@@ClubPenguinMaster88 Only funny because nobody was hurt thank goodness, I'm pretty sure she got the fright of her life....
I had an extractor break on a rented 1911. When I got the RO to come look at it he decided it would be a good idea to put the barrel in his mouth and try to blow the cartridge out. He wasn’t even in the room when I was shooting so he had no way of knowing for sure if it was a live round or a spent casing. It was the dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.
Ok..THAT story expounds some weapons-grade stoopid!
Perhaps he thought he needed more lead in his diet?
mans was really trying to suck-start a 1911
It’s a proven technique you actually are supposed to point the barrel towards the amygdala or frontal cortex and give a good strong blow, it helps to try to knock the cartridge loose by striking it with the hammer while you do it
That’s fucking insane, and just think that’s the RO
My dad owns a second property a couple miles from his house, and before I was born he and his friends were using it to race RC cars. One day, he and his buddies were out there racing when suddenly rounds started whizzing by right over their heads. They took cover as several more rounds went through, coming from the neighboring treeline. After waiting a bit after the shooting stopped, they went over to investigate and found the neighbors were firing a variety of guns into the treeline...with no backstop. Dad and his buddies were pretty livid to say the least, but I think it just ended with the neighbors taking their guns back inside and never doing it again.
Dad told me this decades later as he was building up his own backstop on that property. He had the sense to face his backstop so that even if he missed it, it would go way out into the fields beyond and NOT into a neighbor's yard.
Everytime i went shooting on my grandpa's property he would point out that his backstop was in the corner of the property, miles of field behind it, and miles of field on each side between the mound and any neighbors
He also taught me to listen for cars, voices, and even animals before each shot: even though we barely get cars driving past us, even though we never heard other people, even though we hunt. He made it clear that i alone am responsible for my shots, and that negligence could injur or kill if *I* don't take responsibility.
Even as a hunter, i would be very upset with myself to find out that i crippled some poor deer for life because i wasnt paying attention.
TLDR: Guns aren't toys, and mistakes could kill someone and scar you for the rest of your life. If you can't be aware and attentive from the moment you unpack your gun at the range to the moment your firearm is cleared and safely put away, you need to practice that before you start shooting: for your sake, for the sake of anyone down-range, and for the sake of responsible gun owners who will have to deal with attacks because you ended up on the news for shooting your neighbor
Many moons ago I was a teenager on the farm and had set up a backstop backing on some woods. There was neighboring property but I could see the house from the road and my backstop was clear of it. Decades later I'm looking at Google earth images of the old farm and there's another house on the neighbor's property directly in line with my backstop! I looked at historical imagery and it was there in the 80s when I was living there. Now there was about 200 yards of woods between my backstop and the house, which is why I imagine nothing ever happened, but I asked my now-elderly parents and apparently I was the only one who didn't know about it, and the neighbor had just blown it off "Naaa, there's plenty of woods, it'll be fine."
farmers can be wildly caviler with gun safety sometimes.
Sounds like Delaware. As long as one doesn't shoot towards a road they shoot in any direction they see fit in their back yard.
Had a guy try to drop the hammer on his pistol once while it was laying on the trunk of a car. Hammer slipped, and the round discharged in between 2 people standing about 2 feet apart, going through 2 open truck windows, and past my head about 10 yards away while i was talking on the phone down the hill. The bullet went through an ammo box sitting on the trunk, leaving a clean hole through it. They ran over to check on me, asking if I was ok. I brushed it off as them messing around, since I didnt notice the shot, they told me what happened afterward. I still cant believe it missed those 2 guys, went through 2 open truck windows and myself without hitting anything other than an ammo box. Everyone got lucky that day
I hope you got a lottery ticket on the way home.
He wasn't related to Alex Baldwin by any chance?
Luckily there are more close calls in life than actual accidents . You proved it if you are older than a teenager.
Jesus
That reminds me of a USAF safety briefing we read one morning. A tech was trying to clear a jammed GAU-8A on aircraft. He deviated from Technical Orders and fired a 30mm round inside the hangar. It went through a brick wall, 2 sheet steel doors, and blew up a toilet.
Fortunately no one was on the toilet at the time.
At an indoor shooting range I watched a guy turn around with his barrel at the ceiling and pull the trigger repeatedly on a loaded gun while exclaiming "something is wrong with this thing" I politely asked to see it and remedied the lightly struck cartridge while explaining to always keep the barrel pointed at the backstop unless it has been cleared and checked.
wtffff
The first time I read this I thought for some reason that you meant he was just casually firing holes into the ceiling as if it wasn't supposed to be able to do that.
@@bakedandsteaked SAME
You didn't have to be polite.
Good call, and being polite about and teach them proper firearm safety.
If you were screaming and not being polite as another commenter would have suggested, they may have moved somewhere else, called you an ass and then end up endangering someone else at best or going to prison for killing someone at worst.
The sad fact with the anti gun propoganda is that once they get a gun, they have never grown up and been taught the fundamental rules of safety with a firearm, which I believe every child anywhere in the world should be taught.
If they decide to get a gun or not, is up to them at a later point.
I was once a participant in a small event where we shot at targets that disappeared when hit. An elderly woman was at the start, she used a revolver. After eliminating all targets, she turns to the audience and says "I still have ammo in my gun, what do I do now?" and - blam! - she fires a .357 into the ground about two meters in front of the first row of spectators.
What do i do now, buy the spectators new underwear.
I never understood how you can get an accidental discharge from a revolver. It requires a hard, long pull
When my wife finally asks to learn about handling guns I'm getting her a blue gun and we are going to practice with that first. Lol...
@@MrYfrank14 a baldwin discharge.
@@MrYfrank14 that’s what she said..
I have a dangerous shooting story: A couple of us were in the woods shooting at a pile of old junk and trash dumped there by people not wanting to pay for proper disposal... old furniture, appliances, yard waste. Anyway, I shot into some twisted metal junk and heard it ricochet, loud. I fired once again, and felt something smack my stomach. I thought one of my friends was messing around and thew a small rock at me to mess me up. Nope, looked down and saw a flat penny-shaped chunk of lead sticking out of my shirt. I pulled it out and it was hot, of course. Thank God I was only shooting a .22 pistol, so it only gave me a small bruise below where it cut into my shirt, didn't even break the skin. Probably it lost a good bit of it's energy in the ricochet, but still dangerous. We obviously stopped immediately and moved on to some other pile of junk to shoot at. I still have that flattened bullet on a shelf at home. Technically, because of this, I guess I can say that I've shot someone and have been shot, if both being me and my fault still counts. :)
Holy crap. What a crazy experience and the amount of luck is crazy.
My youngest brother of us three, age five at the time, shot a BB gun for the first time at a paper target some 30 feet away. The BB hit another BB stuck in the board, ricocheted off it, a fence post and a metal garden lamp post and struck the second brother in his shin. He got a small bruise of it. The first hit on the target was nearly a bullseye, well within the 10 ring. That's the young'uns best shot even to date 😂
Was shooting an old water pressure tank with a .22 when I was 14, heard a zipping like a ricochet but it got louder and a thud. Looked down and the jacket was stuck in my forearm! Still keep that on a shelf too!
Something very similar happened to me. My friend was shooting his .223 in rapid succession at a hard stump and I felt something hit my belt with force. Looked down and saw a bent .223 in the dirt. I quickly stepped behind my friend (he's a big guy) until he was finished firing. It was still warm when I picked it up.
You should've gone and bought a lottery ticket that day. It clearly was the luckiest day of your life.
I lived in a remote cabin in the 80's and one sunny Sunday five rounds came in all around me, very near. I could hear someone shooting in the distance. I started shouting as we ran inside and I went back out to shoot some .38s into the ground to alert them. They stopped. No idea who it was. Then, TWICE, I've been showing a newbie how to shoot. First was a buddy and then a girlfriend years later. Both times I set them up with a 1911 and a safe target. I had coverd the Four Rules with them both. Both times they fired the first round and spun around to say how cool that was, completely forgetting the rules in their excitement as they fanned everyone with a loaded pistol and finger on the trigger. My lesson here was to only load ONE round for a newb.
Good solution
I too have adopted the 1 round for the newbie policy for the exact same reason.
The 1 round for a newbie is a great idea.
*The Barney Fife Rule* 😁
That second one happened to me too. Teaching a buddy's son how to shoot. Only instead of being excited, he was bored and stopped shooting after I told him to keep shooting until it was empty (only 5 rounds).
Spun around and immediately pointed a loaded pistol at my face.
This new gen Z generation man, they can't take directions worth a damn. Zero attention span.
I stopped taking new people out shooting after that.
Back around 2006 I was at a range with a friend sighting in his hunting rifles, when he suddenly looked left, immediately dropped his rifle and jumped back. I didn’t see what he’d seen but did the same, and a split second later heard the range officer screaming “CEASE FIRE!” A couple guys had started walking diagonally across the range to set up their targets while the range was still hot and seemed utterly flabbergasted why this was a bad idea.
Ah natural selection
dumb question but isn't dropping a loaded rifle a bad idea? is there a chance it can go off when it hits the ground?
@@joseramirez9599 It’s generally not a good idea but the actual chance of a misfire is very low (at least with modern firearms and ammunition).
@@joseramirez9599 if he was sighting in he'd be in a prone position, so the 'drop' wouldn't be more than a couple of inches. & yes there's a non-zero chance of a discharge if you drop firearms - depending on height, model &c
I wouldn't do that on a golf course let alone a range lol
While in the military at School of Infantry, one of the other students did not understand the concept of an open-bolt weapon and sent the bolt home with a belt in the feed tray of an M249 SAW. The barrel was pointed at the port-o-potty's when it discharged. Within minutes our entire training company was getting a lesson on the characteristics and operating principles of all the weapons we were going to be live-firing that week. The offender received a written reprimand, the training NCOs were shuffled around, and every Marine who witnessed the offender handling his weapon in an unsafe manner was yelled at. Range safety is EVERYONE's responsibility. Mistakes happen but uncorrected mistakes are unforgivable.
Edit: I don't know what training is common today, I served in the 90's. Compared to boot camp and the fleet, SOI was a cluster-f**k. When I went through we were divided by MOS, and sub-divided into sections depending on how many trainees were in the MOS. My MOS training Sgt was a lazy shitbird so he kept our section away from the others most of the time and would wonder off while leaving us to read for ourselves the expected lesson. Consequently, for my MOS we learned how to handle the M249 by a very short practical drill and test by a different training NCO: take it apart, put it pack together, demonstrate how to load it with a belt, unload, then load a magazine, unload, good-to-go, or get called a stupid fuck and have to redo it from the beginning.
Book knowledge was usually quizzed to the whole section and as long as someone in the section knew the answer, we all got credit. The only exception to this was land navigation where each team of 2 was expected to have all of the answers for their assigned course. Even then, some of the training NCOs would just give the answers to their section just to get a pass and not have to come back on Saturday for retesting. I didn't learn land navigation effectively until completing the Land-Nav MCI in the fleet, and due to a really good platoon Sargent who kept us all learning and demonstrating new skills.
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I hope no one was on the shitter that was in the line of fire
@@newscottishgolf7305 I think it'd have been mentioned. If you were in a shitter and couple of rounds come in screaming through the plastic wall, well, that'd be a pretty sure-fire cure for constipation.
Do they not teach recruits about the cycle of operation anymore?
@@agentoranj5858 "Here's some firearms with ammo. Play with them"
At a FFDO requal (armed pilot program), the requal was run by some FBI guys and during the in briefing, they relayed the following tale. Another agent was in the day room and was going to demonstrate some firearm technique using his unloaded gun. With his unloaded gun, he shot a hole in the day room television set. So, for the next week, all the targets at the range were Xeroxed copies of television sets.
That last line is fucking hilarious
He was simply honouring the flag with a desk pop
There are so many stories like this of people firing "unloaded" weapons and it's just so baffling to me. Nevermind the "treat every gun like it's loaded" rule, I don't understand why these people never even bother to check! All it takes is one little pull to take a peep inside and then you can proceed to do whatever unsafe bullshit you want.
@@Scroolewse Amen to that, My shooting buddies and I all do verification when we clear it, Drop the mag, Clear the chamber, Tip the gun so one of the others of us can inspect and verify the chambers clear before we deem a gun to be cleared, I go so far as when they go to hand me one, even if I clearly saw them clear it, I pull back the slide and put a finger into the chamber to make sure. It's a habit to be absolutely certain that there's not a live round in the gun. It takes literally less than 2 seconds. Even once we've deemed it cleared we don't mess around, don't flag people etc.
@@Scroolewse ahhh but see, having dove such bullshit, of your in a hurry for whatever reason, or your just running kinda on autopilot it can be really easy to THINK you've cleared a weapon, when in actuality there's still a chambered round. Did this exact thing on accident when disassembling my rifle. Fortunately I made sure to keep the thing pointed in a safe direction and when I pulled the trigger so I could disassemble it, Blam.
Me and my dad shooting at a private range, just a road with some targets at the end and huts every 50 yards. We were shooting shotguns at 100, when some jackass started shooting his fucking m14 from 50 yards behind us. Gotta say we didn't handle this as gently as you did this
@@Marin3r101 yelling at people does not solve the problem. plus being confrontational with someone handling a loaded weapon is not smart.
Had a French Officer Cadet ND with a FAMAS on 3-round burst while slung that nearly took my toes off; he just flipped the safety on and acted like nothing had happened, as did all the other French OCdts, and their Directing Staff. I think it was the need for diplomacy that kept myself and the other Brits around me from melting le moron...
in Berlin in the '70s at Berlin Brigade we did many ftx's with British and French troops the British were terrific but the French were always late and refused to speak English on the radio
They were just itching for a new 30 year war, the bastards
Sounds about right, on a visit to France a few years back the security, who liked like national guard or similar, would sling their rifles perpendicular to the ground, flagging everyone on the street.
@@paulwilliams8555 sounds like the entire French army thinks they’re the FFL lol, how are they gonna be saved in the next world war if they don’t speak English
Was there at least a smack upside the head?
At the range a former acquaintance went to put his 416 Rigby in his vehicle, as he placed it in the back of the SUV it discharged and shot completely through the vehicle and the projectile passed directly between a group of five shooters and continued down range.
It was the most surreal feeling we were totally confused as what just happened. The Worst part was he jumped in his car and drove off not checking on anything or anyone.
And that’s why he is a former acquaintance.
Oddly enough I got into the shooting sports back in the 80s when someone convinced me I should become a cop, took and intro class, police science I think, and intro to firearms, hated the former, just wasn't for me, but couldn't wait to get to the range twice a week, however, I discovered that even in a controlled, classroom environment we weren't necessarily safe, there was a temperamental woman that fancied herself a cop, she also fancied herself an expert shot, and when she would miss at 7, or 15 yards she would without exception become highly irritated, at which point she would gesticulate wildly with that ancient Colt revolver, pointing it at the target, then turning to those of us on the line and pointing it at us to look at her target, becoming more agitated with each non-ten ring hit, there were many, on one occasion at the end of her session she took off her belt ant returned it to the box and did the same with her handgun, I was in the following group and sensing her mood made sure to grab her weapon, opened the cylinder and sure enough, two live rounds, she'd left in her usual huff and simply dumped the gun without clearing, wonder if she became a cop?
She’s exactly what they’re looking for
Sounds like she'd be a perfect cop. Irritable, arrogant, careless... remember that video of the cop IN A SCHOOL holding a handgun up and going *"i'm the only one in this room allowed to have this because i'm the only one trained and responsible enough to know how to handle it safely. BLAM! .... i just shot myself in the leg... is everyone okay? someone call an ambulance i'm shot... "*
Yes , in the state I live in the cops only have to shoot one a year. When they do you can pick up live rounds on the ground. The range officers hate it when the shoot they say it's a dangerous day on the range. Once the cops set the bush on fire burnt out about a 500 hectares. Lucky no one's
House burnt down. In the last 3 weeks the cops have shot 3 people. Not killed but still.
@@goobcity She's also Alec Baldwins dream woman.
She's probably married to officer Barbrady.
Ah yes the space-saving Elbonian two-way range. Since discontinued, I hear they are reconsidering it's use on account of urban encroachment.
In all seriousness, glad to hear you're okay after the experience. Geez...
This is the best comment here lololol
Oh holy crap Ian. My own most unsafe experience was at a range where a group of around 15 “gun tourists” from China were led by a single English speaker with a couple AR’s. They didn’t have a clue regarding the English language, gun safety, range rules or etiquette. So in addition to shooting everyone else’s targets full of random holes, their unsafe handling of said ARs (yes, even pointing barrels at other shooters), photography of other people at the range got them and all future tourists permanently kicked out. Scary!
yeah i live in california, we get a LOT of "gun tourists" from east asian countries at the public ranges here, I watch them like a hawk, and generally the RSO's do the same.
@@snotcycle Vegas has a "gun tourist" thang I'd like to attend: you get to shoot ONE shot out of a rifle you'd not normally see in Canada, like a 50 cal. !! But I'd assumed it would be a one-on-one situation. You're telling me they're bringing GROUPS and handing out Ak's like popsicles? I'd not want to be in the same STATE.
@@thedwightguy I've gone to one of the well-known Vegas places, it had beyond normal range safety practices. I think at most it was 2 or 4 shooters (in the same group) to a lane with 1 shared firearm and 1 assigned RSO watching everything. Don't know if they had 50s though, the thing in Vegas is more pistol caliber automatics because tourists want an indoor air conditioned range. I did it a couple times with friends but not shooting as a party and we all got solo lanes with our own RSO, to release a few SMG brapps at a cost of something like $40/mag (long before Idiocracy inflation was in high gear, at that).
Remember the little girl who was handed an UZI by a RO at one of those Vegas places? She Brrrrrrrppppppp'd an arc above and behind herself and killed him. Hindsight is 20/20, common sense missing in a lot of public ranges.
@@treelineresearch3387 Sounds like Battlefield Vegas. They now want $55 for 25 rounds for any pistol caliber SMG, unless it's the P90 or the MP7, and $60 for 25 rounds out of any of the intermediate cartridge rifles. And if you want to shoot one of the WW2 bolt guns, like a Mosin... 5 rounds for $30.
remember one guy in our conscript year in german military, firing his G3, missing target and turning around at his class, asking, what he did wrong, while gun still shouldered. He got smacked down by the instructor before he could finish the sentence.. he never did that again.
Two things come to mind for me. First , many years ago a group of us were shooting full auto on a private range where one end of the berm was being extended making the target area wider and while several of us were shooting 3 young kids (early teens) came flying over the berm on 4 wheelers landing in the target area. Lucky for them we all saw them coming over the berm and shopped shooting. The property owner light into them big time about trespassing and ignoring all the warning signs about it being a gun range. Second time was about a month ago at an indoor range I was trying to sight in my new rifle and there was a young couple in the lane next to me who were just finishing up shooting what I believe was an AR-15 based pistol. I was hanging my target in front of the bench by leaning over it to clip it to the target frame the girl did a 30 round mag dump from about 2 feet BACK from the firing line basically putting me in front of the muzzle, the muzzle blast from her gun literally tore my target away. My head was pounding as the muzzle blast was incredible even with my hear protection on. I was very glad to see them leave the range.
The craziest thing I’ve seen at the range was a guy bracing the muzzle of his pistol against his own stomach so he could work the slide. I informed him that that’s a great way to get a gut shot.
This description brings really funny images to my mind...
Some could say that i have kopfkino of some lost deleted scenes from the movie idiocrazy.
That's...one way to commit seppuku, I guess...
This one actually made me burst out laughing. I guess if someone is going to be a fool with a gun it's best they'd be the one to eat the bullet.
OK mandatory joke post - this one was really hard to stomach.
I immediately thought of this movie scene - it's exactly what you're describing "Ringe raja-Kosta repetira pistolj"
I was at a small gun rental in Atlanta one time. There were two girls at the station next to me who clearly had never handled a gun before... I guess whoever was running the range didn't ask them nor instruct them. Every time they fired the Glock they would rock the slide after the shot. When doing so they would rock it in such a way that it would tilt and point directly at me... I did go and help them out before they accidentally hurt someone. They learned fast and were safe the rest of the time.
Good job. Been in a similar situations and done the same.
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I see that every class I teach, follow through were the gun ends up pointing straight up, riding the slide home and then "chamber checking" like John Wick or something and putting the support hand thumb behind the slide on a semi auto pistol. I am also keeping my head on a swivel with students.
Did you go and pick up all the live rounds they ejected by accident?
Oy I left this video and came back to say that as a super dedicated range rso and some of these foos do not listen and it hurts to hear this.
My worst incident here in the UK; my club was shooting at a "major national" centre just outside of London. Range is a large field with firing points from 600 to 100yrds. Range office had given us instruction as to which lane we were in at 100yrd, and as we proceeded to walk out with our gear, we started hearing whizzes and cracks nearby. I immediately went prone looking behind me seeing that the office had given us the incorrect lane, which would have involed us crossing a line of live fire from 600yrd point behind us. Fortunately noone was injured, but the idiocy involved proves that even on a national standard range, you must ALWAYS be aware of your surroundings. No staggering of firing points or "Live Fire Ahead" signage were in place. They even still charged us for the range use!
Not the shooting range, but the first time I went into a store to buy ammo, some middle aged dude asked me what gun I had and when I told him, he said I needed to get one like his. So he proceeded to unholster his gun and point it directly at my upper chest to show it off. I moved to the side and he tracked me with his gun and when I, now flustered and with quite a bit of adrenaline going, asked him to put his gun back in his holster, he told me to not worry because it was on safe. He then proceeded to yell at me for being some "new age youngin' that didn't know anything" (His exact words which are now etched into my cranium as what I thought were the last words I'd ever hear before I died. His wife finally came over and told him to know it off because "You're scaring the poor child" (I was 21). I went and told the shop owner if they saw what had just happened and they told me:
"Oh, that's Bob (fake name), he does that all the time. Don't worry about him."
And that's the story of how I can never purchase anything from the one store locally that sells ammo or guns. I literally drive an hour away because they were just cool with that shit.
Reckless and taking that as a "joke" - infuriating
Most unsafe thing I’ve seen: Army basic BRM. First day on the range to zero and we had a guy fire his five rounds and then get up and start running (yes, actually running) down range to check his target before the ceasefire was called. He didn’t leave basic with the same rank he started with.
Sounds like somebody the Army would promote
He does sound like officer material...
@@shawnmiller4781 LMAO! best reply in thread.
When I was a teen, a classmate had a disused doghouse in his yard that we used as a plinking target. One time, we unloaded on it with BBs, pellets, and paintballs for an hour and then, during a pause, a drifter hurried out of the doghouse and ran off. We had no idea he was in there.
That reminds me of something that would've happened to me & my buddies as teens.
We had a lot of bums chilling around he river.
God damn fucking hell that's hilarious!!!!
@@griffn14 did ya just learn those words?
@@brighamruud5090 Fuckin' A right! 👍
In USAF nurse was qualifying on M1911; she aims at target, can’t get the safety off, and swings around shouting (while working safety & trigger) ‘I can’t get this thing to work!’ Everyone hit the deck real fast.
Women with guns! Watch out!
what the hell is a USAF nurse doing qualing with a 1911?
@@Scroolewse This was in 1980s. Everyone who was going to overseas assignment had to qualify.
@@williamlouie569 wow nice going with the casual sexism.
This was in the bay area when the night stalker serial killer was terrifying everyone including my great grandmother. She was a little tiny thing (RIP) and decided she ought to buy a 38 snub nose and not tell anyone. That is until my father found it one day and asked about it. Then she proceeded to tell him that she'd been practicing in her fenced in suburban back yard to learn how to shoot. I'm very surprised she didn't kill someone.
Suffice to say she didn't take shit though.
New shooters unfamiliar with safety rules is one thing, but people who should know better screwing the basics up is whole different type of stupidity. When I was doing my Finnish military service, I remember one moron, who by that point had already gained a reputation for his baffling idiocy, reveal that up to that point he had only followed the safety rules by accident. He just started randomly pointing his rifle every which way, including at the sergeant who told him to stop. In response the sergeant physically ripped the still loaded and ready to fire RK out of his hands and basically told the guy to fuck off. It's not like this was our first day at the range or anything but apparently repeating the safety rules dozens upon dozens of times still isn't enough for some unfortunate individuals.
Military service in Finland is about the only place where you really get to see an undistilled take of your fellow men (and a few women). It could get scary sometimes.
I heard similar story but with an idiot with an AK. Guy was "promoted" to paperpusher.
Try the "kertausharjoitukset" or retro practice and it is most unsafe gun handling that i have ever seen. With individuals to the plans of shooting practice, it was... Well i really like to shoot where it is safe.
right, my idiot friend bought a steel BB CO2 gun and I really insisted on him not muzzle flashing us every time he turns around, but he's a big 20 year old stubborn baby and won't listen
I don't know if all Finnish defence force units do the same firearm drills, but we did a triangle-formation firing drill in a forest (with RK-62s). You advance in a triangle formation with 2 buddies and shoot targets that pop out from the ground.
The third guy on my squad was near-sighted and didn't see s***. He of course didn't bother bringing his glasses into the firing practise that day. So he was somewhere behind me firing at the targets, meanwhile I was crossing my fingers he doesn't put a 7.62 into my back.
Sitting out in the training area of West Berlin 1988(this was right next to the Berlin Wall) as a member of a US Tank Platoon (4 M60A3 tanks), I was eating an MRE while sitting on the front of my tank. The area was cleared land about a mile along . Anyway , a US infantry mortar platoon(4 M113 APC's with 107mm mortars) was at the other end . Well that mortar platoon , decided to shoot a downrange training excersie , using our tanks as targets! I saw 4 puffs from the 4 tracks, , heard the whumps, and then a few seconds later , there were 4 small explosions and columns of smoke, in and around our tanks. These were spotting/training rounds, not HE, , but the one that landed closest to me , about 10 yards from me/front of my tank, blew about a 2 foot hole in the ground. I was thinking that was pretty dangerous, and those mortarmen are obviously infantry! i.e. idiots! My TC pops up out of the tank, yelling. "What the F are you doing Perrien ?! Get in the GD Tank! Everybody button up! Artillery Attack!", Getting in the tank another 4 mortar round were fired and landed , luckily again none hit anybody or dropped though a tank hatch (which would have detonated the tank ammo, and pieces of tank would h ave been landing in East Berlin LOL). We buttoned up quickly, so they could not really hurt us now. I think they dropped a third salvo , IDK.
I get inside, my TC was fumbling though our code book like a madman trying to find a freq and callsign for that unit or range control IDK. There were 2 of us in the tank.
Anyway, I finally got "P' O'ed" about idiots nearly killing my ass. So , I loaded a 105mm HEAT (black one , not a blueone;)), into our tank cannon. and put the gun on "fire". Climbed over to the gunner's seat , and spun the turret to aim at one of them idiot infantry mortar PC's. My TC knocked off balanced when I spun the turret , said " WTF are doing you Perrien!?" I said,"If they shoot again , I am shooting back!"
I looked though the tank sight and pointed the cannon at the APC's and sighted in on one , then I thought. No those idiots are just following orders of their officer idiot , and killing them would probably be a " Big No-NO" LOL So I pointed the gun, slighly off target, to blow a big hole in the ground near them , I could see several troops in front of the PC's with bino's (probably their idiot platoon leader too) gesturing wildly, and pointing at my tank. They never fired another salvo . I don't know if they really knew how close they came to dying . But I had my finger on the trigger , gun off safe and that 105 HEAT would have destroyed that track and probably killed sevral soldiers near it as well. And I came about a trigger pull/second from going to Leavenworth from intentionally blowing away 10-20 US soldiers or just firing a live shell in that area/next to the Berlin Wall.
I can only think what the East German and Russian Guards in the Iron Curtain machine gun towers watching this whole show thought!
"Jeezus , these crazy ass Americans are fighting each other!" LOL I hope it scared them. If I had fired that cannon with a live HEAT round , it would have been an international incident.
The Mortar Platoon leader was relieved of command , and various write ups handed out to several other supervisors/NCO's of that unit.
@@rogersmith7396 LOL, yea they did alright there, but my guess would be about 1500-1800 meters. So short range for them 107's . IIRC
I forget what range I actually got from the tank range-finder after I lazed them.
My father told me a story once.
He was tank commander in a Scorpion tank garnison in West Germany (4Chch in Arnsberg).
One time, he and his men were out recce during a full scale exercice when, while hidden in a wood, they spotted a troop transports convoy down the road that stopped for lunch at the forest edge. He told his gunner to load and fire blanks as fast as possible and turn the turret 90° then he told his driver to pass by the convoy at full speed.
So they just drive by the entire (and very surprised) convoy, blasting 76mm blanks in theire faces.
After that the stopped and reversed to be sure the enemy convoy understood they were out of the exercice.
That's when an officer jumped on the Scorpion, his face red from rage, and screamed at my father "IF YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT AGAIN, I'LL KILL YOU I'LL KILL YOU!".
My father also remembers the officer's hairs were all flattened towards the back and a bit burned at the front...
A friend of mine served in a armored unit stationed in Germany. While maneuvering thru a small towns roads a tank cut a corner too sharp and caught a parked car with the treads. I bet someone was scrubbing toilets for a while
@@duneydan7993 LOL, I'll guess I'll consider a "Scorpion", a tank, from now on, LOL. Your father sounds like true "Cav"- Cavalry. :) We tankers accept them as brothers(in a bar brawl LOL) since many come from the Armor branch, but the Cav is way-way different from line armor units.
Great story! Not so great situation though! That was a good read and had me chuckling!
I remember being in a pawn/gun shop once when a guy came in wanting to sell his handgun, and dropped a brown paper bag on the counter. The shopkeeper asked him to remove it himself, as he didn't want to reach into a bag for a mystery gun when he has no idea what condition it's in. Guy gets it out of the bag, lays it on the table, and the shopkeeper proceeds to clear it himself, discovering a full magazine and round in the chamber. Yeah, none of the nearby patrons were happy. After chewing the guy out for a minute, the shopkeeper asked some basic questions (like how long he'd had it, etc.), to which the guy starts spinning some yarn about how he doesn't know, because it's his girlfriend's gun, and she was at work at the time, and could he leave it here while he went home to ask her? Shopkeeper wasn't too keen on that idea. That's about when I decided to leave, because the whole thing was getting super sketchy. Or maybe they kicked him out, I can't remember. Either way, there was very little real danger, but it was a pretty clear demonstration that there are people with access to firearms who should NOT.
How did you type all of this out and it not occur to you that this gun was clearly stolen 😂
@@SeekerHead oh, it's one of the possibilities that went through my head. But I don't know it for certain.
Yeah - guns definitely aren't for everyone. I cringe when I see pro-2A people say "everyone should carry a gun," and then "you should carry your gun with a round in the chamber." This should be a case-by-case sort of thing, and some people are too much of a danger to themself and others to carry around or use firearms.
@@Chasmodius Yep. "Super sketchy" is a very good term in this case.
@@SeekerHead scenario that he wanted to get rid of his girlfriend gun is actualy not unrealistic, but yea, even its its true its still stolen as that girlfriend would be ex after learning what happened to her firearm
I was once out at an outdoor range near Beal AFB in northern California. There is no range master, just a firing line made up of a line of concrete picnic tables and then a series of berms at different distances leading up to a big hill as the final backstop, probably 300 yards is the farthest you can shoot. I'd been out there lots of times. Lots of friendly people, good times. Well, one day I was there with some friends and we were down on the left end of the line, happily shooting, listening to the sounds of an active range, like popcorn popping. Pop! Pop! Bang! Pop! Bang! Bang! Pop! Pop! And then, BOOOOM! Everything went quiet and we all looked down to the right end of the line and there was some dude with a HUGE revolver. BOOOOM! Goes another shot. BOOOM! And then, click. Confused, the guy points the gun at his face to look down the barrel! And the way he did so pointed the gun to the left, down the firing line at everyone else there. My friends and I hit the dirt immediately under the table. And looked at each other in horror. I just said, "truck, now!" We scrambled to the truck and backed it up way behind things to figure out what to do or possibly watch this guy blow his head off. Luckily some other guys gave him some "education" and he left.
The most unsafe thing I've witnessed was a "my first day at the range" event at my local gun range. Local dealers brought out a couple of guns to test fire (pistols, revolvers, shotguns, etc...) and instructors taught people how to use them. And most instructors took safety very seriously. Most.
There was this one guy at the pistol range, who was just not caring what people did. Beginners got hurt by the slide of the pistols because he hadn't taught them how to properly grip the pistols. And many people flagged themselves or others, at times with loaded AND CHAMBERED pistols.
In the end, I told the RO about the safety risk and luckily, he stepped in by suggesting the guy to "take a coffee break and have someone else take over". Luckily, no one got seriously hurt.
My most unsafe incident happened when I was a Corporal in the Infantry. We were doing a twilight shoot with Stirling SMGs. My Platoon Commander asked me to RSO the right hand half of the line while he took the left due to low visibility. As the line was firing, I heard a strange POP from the shooter in front to my left and saw a large flame come out of the ejection port. "STOP. Unload, make safe." The Lt came running back over and sure enough, an out of battery had occurred and blocked the barrel. Buddy bought me beers that night in the mess.
It's when they have a stoppage and turn for help ... that you hit the deck.
I remember me and a buddy went to the rifle range as kids to pick brass. We ended up on the far side of the range looking for "'intact'" bullets in the hill that was used as backstop. We sat down in a ditch to go over and compare what we had found when bullets started to snap over our heads. We ended up low crawling in the ditch to get out of there. lol, good memories of stupid stuff we did as kids. The distance from the shooting platform to the backstop was around 1000m so we would have been pretty hard to spot if the shooter used iron or a low powered scope.
I was at a IPSC match when a new shooter ran forward to shoot a couple targets and then did a complete 180 facing the watching crowd. She then came running back and it was like Mozes splitting the sea. One part of the crowd ran left. Me and the rest ran to the right.
I saw a guy put the barrel of his. 22 in his mouth to try and blow out a jammed light primer cartridge
This is why Guns should require a bloody IQ test instead of a background check. x.x
I...what?
@@cleanerben9636 crazy I know
@@lanceuppercut4043 ... Light primer hits cause despondency.
My wife and I had just gotten engaged and were visiting her parents whose country home sat adjacent to a large reservoir. We had gone for a walk on the public land behind her parents home which was a mix of woods and old farm land going down towards the lake. We were walking back to the house when, about 200 meters from the house I heard the first round cutting high grass and hit the rising ground in front of us. This was followed by the sound of rifle fire. The next round hit towards our right side and I was yelling at my bride to be to run. She was confused about it at first but picked up on what was happening pretty fast when she heard the popping of the rifle. We made it, no problems, but her family was pretty steamed. They heard the shooting, saw us running back and already called the game warden. Seems that people would go down into the old creek bottom that ran into the lake to shoot and poach deer from time to time. Never heard back from the game warden.
Navigating a tank range in the 1980's, the jeep with the evaluator for the tank ahead of us turned around and came back up the live fire road, instead of following the tank down the return road at the end of the range. The jeep ended up driving in front of our machine gun target as we were engaging it. Fortunately, my Gunner ceased fire in time and didn't kill them.
Props to Ian for being so polite in that situation.
I probably wouldn't have been too thrilled
they had the gun, not him. good reason to be polite to others.
Couple of us were all trussed up in our shooting jackets and slings shooting prone at a public shooting area. In the middle of doing our thing, we hear rapid fire coming from behind us and dust flying all around our targets 50 yards down range. We roll over and look back in time to see some fine folks hanging one handed out the side door of a van practicing their drive by shooting skills. During the reloading faze of their drill we walked up to inquire why they thought shooting a couple feet over us and at our targets was a good idea and they commented that since it’s public land they were free to do whatever they wanted and that they assumed the targets were public as well. Things rapidly went south from there.
I hope you and those you were with are all ok
That's insane.
How did it end? How far south did things go from there?
Did anyone end up getting a toe tag that day?
No, but a much needed good ol fashion attitude adjustment ensued. lol Was a couple decades ago so it’s pretty funny now. Wasn’t at the time.
Did you give the couple a quick history of the firearm they were using?
And a detailed disassembly of the weapon lol.
These springs are defective, so I'm keeping them
This is a story from a friend of mine. I've been to the place it happened.
There are some forest roads we go shooting on, originally made for logging and occasionally in use for it. There are gravel pits and abandoned roads that are popularly used as shooting pits, but the abandoned roads are occasionally used by hikers. It's simple - you don't shoot there if somebody has left their vehicle or a sign or something. In this specific road, it's a long slow incline that makes for a great berm, and at the top is a sharp turn left around. It's on the side of a mountain, so the corner is thankfully safe. But as long as you follow the rule "don't shoot where you know there's people," you don't need to utilize cover.
Well, in the case of my buddy, a bunch of morons completely disregarded that rule. He left his truck to go on a hike, and when he was almost back at his truck, some real human beans opened fire. He had to use a tree for cover as he screamed for them to hold fire. Now he positions his truck to completely block off access and make shooting a massive pain.
My maintenance detachment was supporting a tank unit during their annual training. That included tank gunnery for them.
Our encampment was a good 90 degrees off to the side and over a 1000 meters away from the tank range.
I was in the shop truck when there was a BOOM-CRACK...
Seems one of the gunners had gotten outside the range fan. and was intending to engage dismounts in the open with the M240 coax but had the main gun selected by mistake and fired the sabot directly over us.
I worked as a range safety officer when I got out of the military years ago. At the time I considered myself vehemently pro-gun
After working there for a year I had seen a ton of stupid stuff that “average Joe” gun owners do that actually changed my whole mindset on guns. Some of the things I saw were
1. A older man in his 60s just walk onto the hot range to change his target, and they look puzzled when I told him to leave
2. Younger guy throws a old iron wok onto the dirt backstop and attempts to shoot at it before I stopped him. His logic was we rent AR500 steel targets and the wok is steel so what’s the big deal?
3. We had a few clubs at the range where old (65+) guys would shoot together and bullshit to get away from their wives. One day they were shooting pistols and had set up their targets in a way where the rounds were going over the backstop. When I told them to correct it they all got a massive attitudes and left
I’m still pro gun, but holy fuck are their allot of dumb gun owners, and they all think they are subject matter experts
After reading through this comment section, I feel like you should have a short mandatory course before buying your first gun. Wouldn't stop these idiots entirely but it would help.
I was out in the desert one day with my grandfather, setting up some steel when something very similar happened, the people were shooting rifles and the Crack of a round came very close (about 10 yards)
My grandfather hit the dirt, while I just kind of looked around and started shouting loudly that there's people over here, lol
I walked over and asked them to hold off for min for us to move. It was a "fun" experience 🙃
I've heard tales of someone shooting a Mauser, not locking the bolt all the way down, telling someone at the next point to mind their own business when they pointed out the issue, only for captain Mauser to blow up the gun and sever his thumb a dozen rounds later.
Do mausers not have an out-of-battery cam on the striker? I’m not familiar with the action (all Schmidt or Lee-Enfield derivatives for me) but that seems like a massive design oversight.
@@someduckwithanultimax6549 I belive they should, but whenever you idiot proof something, they build a better idiot.
^(can somebody please explain these two comments to me a little better? I _think_ i know what's happening but am confuse.)
@@SpaceMissile the first comment is saying that someone fired a Mauser without the bolt handle all the way down (ie with the bolt unlocked). I was surprised that the rifle doesn't have a built-in safety to force the handle down when the striker drops - the rifles I've got experience with, the Lee-Enfield, Schmidt-Rubin and, come to think of it, Mosin-Nagant actions all do this.
The most unsafe experience I had shooting was when I was out with a group of friends shooting at a mountainside. Some back story here: We have permission to be on this guy's property, we can all see directly what is infront of us. No trees, nothing in the way, just a straight shot to this great back stop. After being here for a couple hours, some guy rolls up in this lifted f350 and block all of our vehicles in and he starts waving a pistol at us, threatening to shoot us. He apparently was yelling "stop firing" because he was in the woods off to our left (illegally on this property i might add) shooting with his friends. None of us heard anything the entire time so we never stopped shooting minus going to modify our targets. They werent even in our line of fire either. All 5 of us had to calm him down and try to get him to leave since, coincidentally, we all just shot the last of the ammo we had and were getting ready to head home. 100% was expecting to get shot at that day and we managed to get this guy to stop waving a loaded gun at us and get him to leave this property.
Ever since then I have always had my conceal carry loaded or atleast a spare mag on standby when I go target practice.
More than once I've seen (most of us have seen) Johnny Rambo at the range waving around his gold Desert Eagle. More than once I've seen a Range Officer almost tackle one of these guys.
I know that guy 🤣
If you're at a range with a range officer, that's your first mistake. Shoot somewhere else...
@@forkthepork You must be the guy with the golden Desert Eagle
Then they leave bad reviews online, claiming staff were rude. "Omg the staff here is so rude, I was just trying to shoot my desere egle, ok??"
@@heiner71 No, its rather that most people dont like to pay and go to a range, only to be told you cant "rapid fire" draw from holster, or use your own ammo. Not to mention, almost every RSO ive met as a young shooter just have an air of arrogance, and just seem to only want their hunting buddies around, not some "kid" in their eyes. Overall, shoot on public land, or better yet private. Fuck going to a range unless its your last resort.
I saw a video once of Mexican Federales training with eggs. They had a berm set up maybe 15 to 20 yards from the firing line and then set their eggs on the berm and then they'd shoot them (I think they were using M4s).
The catch was that when you hit your egg you would then walk down to the berm and replace the egg with a new one and try to shoot that one. You did this while everyone was still trying to shoot their egg. No cease fire. No partitions between lanes. Just one big firing line with people shooting while other people were replacing targets.
I will say that this training looked deliberate, like they were trying to get people used to having rounds going off all around them.
Thatttt...indeed sounds like something that would happen in Latin America.
I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't using hearing protection also.
@@alexander1902 I couldn't tell. If I remember correctly they were all kited out in SWAT gear and helmets.
In the early 00's when my buddy was a Marine Corps D I one of his jobs was teaching recruits how to throw live grenades. Well one day during training a recruit pulled the pin then panicked, threw the pin and dropped the grenade. My buddy tackled the guy as hard as he could out of the pit and into the safety pit. To keep this family friendly my buddy was pissed and the recruit got in a lot of trouble. The most dangerous thing that I have experienced at a range was being flagged with a chambered .308. But for a long time I was going to a private range that very few people could use so I have been lucky. Now that I no longer have access to that range (sadly the owner passed away) I am sure that I will be experiencing more.
I had a similar experience, in the Army.
Group guys at a canted angle to us, and they were shooting air-burst 40mm.
I have never sought cover so fast in my life.
My most unsafe range experience came from my time in the arm while deployed to Afghanistan. Bunch of soldiers from another unit thought horseplay with 40mm HE was acceptable because the range was outside the wire. One decided to one-hand his M320. The grenade detonated about 25-30 meters in front of me. Our platoon sergeant put a righteous stop to those antics. They packed up and left a moment afterward.
The national guard unit I belonged to back in the 80's had a hole through the back of the armory safe, the wall behind it, the wall on the other side of the parking bay for the 2.5 and 5 ton trucks, and then through the next wall on the other side of the classroom.... Out the building into a farmers field....
Someone squeezed the trigger on a Ma Deuce to "prove it clear" before putting it away.🙄🤨
🤣🤣 your description of all the walls that 50 went through
I have had a few close calls at the range, usually with a new person to the shooting world that did not have someone to show them the ropes as it were. With the best intentions in the world, someone who is ignorant can only be accidentally safe. Keep in mind that the overwhelming odds are that the only examples are what they see in movies and none of them are very good with safety etc. I've had loaded guns pointed at me when they were looking around to see who was walking by, I've had people next to me mag dump into the ceiling or the walls of the indoor range. I've had one person drop their pistol off the forward side of the bench - in front of the firing line and just hop over the bench to get it. Just about every handling error possible including someone that did not know that there were different calibers and just thought you bought Smith and Wesson bullets for all Smith and Wessons (fortunately they were struggling to get 40 s&w rounds into their .380 magazine and failing). I have taken to not going on busy days/times and watching the line a bit before going to a stall myself. I have lost count of the safety and handling lessons I have given so that I could practice safely. I have tried shifting to a different range only to have the same issue. Thinking of joining a gun club for safety, but the closest one wants me to have a recommendation from a member (I don't know any of their members) and has a 100 person waiting list. Not sure that kind of club would be for me - seems a little socialite thing and I am a nerd.
Was on a live fire, night fire exercise at 29 palms California. We had M16's, M60 light machine guns, M60 tanks firing their main guns and M2 50 cals across/down this open valley. I guess there was a road (civilian highway) at the end of it, presumably out of range. You could see headlights of vehicles going off road to come down to investigate.
Was on a live fire range in Hawaii for an assortment of weapon systems, multiple stations depending on the weapon. I don't know if the guy was in the wrong place or if they were dropping short rounds but the road guard for the 60mm mortar range came running back to camp, said they were dropping them right in front of him.
Was on a live fire exercise in the Philippines. Locals started coming into the down range area to scavenge brass before we were done.
As far as I know none of those turned out bad.
The worst thing I saw at a shooting range happened a few decades ago. We had a pistol demonstration and evaluation session where a large number of LE officers would have a change to test fire various pistols in various calibers. During the first relay of six shooters, one of them would fire one or two rounds, stop firing and turn the pistol sideways to examine it thus pointing a loaded pistol at every shooter on the line to his left. The first time the RO gave him a stern warning. The second time the RO sent him directly home. You should have seen the terror in everybody's eyes seeing this. Specially the ones to his left who happened to look and see why someone had stopped firing. They were ducking and trying to get out of the line of fire as fast as they could with terror in their eyes.
my country boys in New Brunswick have a code: ANY newbie invited on a hunt that does anything like this gets ONE chance, and then you come up with an "excuse" to go home and shut down the day. NO 2nd. Chances. What's your LIFE worth?
@@thedwightguy i feel like "you're gonna kill someone if you keep pulling that shit, we're going home until you learn some firearm safety" is a good enough excuse without needing to come up with one lol
chance* ?
@@ethancolman8159 add a few swears in there for flavor
I was at a pistol range in Northern Indiana at the DNR public range. The older guy 50s , I was 20s . He had a damn tec 9 copy that had a crap magazine or other problems because he kept putting the weapon horizontal with the muzzle pointed AT ME and smacked the side of the receiver WITH FINGER ON THE TRIGGER. I asked him nicely TWICE to not point a loaded gun at me. In the 3rd time I told him he was going to get my Sig 229 pointed at him and the fact it hasn't ever jammed. He then left so everyone was safe again. I really hate getting a loaded gun pointed at me.
Because you're neither crazy nor stupid
Had a similar incident once. The guy stormed off angry, swearing he'd have range staff come and kick me out. They know me by name, so tell them it's me. Never saw him again, never heard a word about it.
@@immikeurnot it's a scary situation having to start a verbal argument when a guy I'd pointing a weapon at you. I also keep my pistol loaded and concealed in a holster so that I'm never out of bullets at any range If another idiot points his jamomatic at my head, after 1 warning they are getting drawn on and disarmed while I ask range officer to run tapes back. It's never OK to let strangers point weapons at you. Only the individual can know their ability not another person's.
One day at basic Training in the austrian armed forces when we went to the range we were split into 2 big groups. One was shooting at the range while the other one was marching in formation.
My Sergeant decided that it would be a good idea to take us marching parallel to the range. Everything got shut down as soon as the supervisor saw us down there and luckily nobody besides the Sergeants ego got injured.
I can’t help but remember the scene from “BlCk Hawk Down”
“Why aren’t you shouting?”
“They aren’t shooting at us!”
“How can you tell?”
“A crack means it’s close, a snap means-“
*snap*
“Now they’re shootings at us!”
My brother learned about knowing your backstop the hard way. He shot holes in a few of our neighbors 12 x 5 foot plate glass windows with his soon to be confiscated BB gun. Fortunately, it was nothing a summer of detasseling corn could not pay for.
Neighbor kids shot through a bush and hit my window
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Kids started to cry and I'm like "dude it's ok..it's just a BB gun and a window... ..... learn this lesson now before ya get a 30-06 and it's a human or cow"
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They calmed down and listened
They thought the Bush would stop the BB (was a red Ryder.... not very powerful)
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Explained that they need to treat every gun like a 50 cal
They understood
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Window got paid for
Everyone and everything is fine
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Bet they will check their target AND BEYOND now
@@kainhall great story!
@@kainhall that's actually a nice story. Now your windows only need to worry about stray footballs.
@@kainhall Sounds like it was handled perfectly...
"detasseling corn" was a fairly brutal child labor experience
I've seen guys showing off a new pistol. It gets passed around guy to guy etc... people sweeping each other, looking down the sights etc. It gets to me and my first thought, drop mag and chamber check. Out pops a round. All these guys were pointing a loaded and ready pistol at each other for God knows how long before I walked up...
Might have prevented a tragic accident at some later point, another day perhaps. Hope you went on to use that as a lesson on gun safety.
Like my dad always said. Alot of people get shot with unloaded guns. My cousin, the chief of police shot himself cleaning his Glock. He thinks I'm dangerous.
Had the exact same thing happen to me at a party with someone's new CCW piece being shown off. I borrowed it from the particularly reckless guy that was examining it, racked it, out pops a shiny new 40 hollowpoint and I proceeded to yell expletives at the owner for not clearing it.
When I teach someone to shoot, the very first thing I do is explain that all guns are always loaded and should be treated as such. I then unload the gun and give it to the student and ask, "Is this gun loaded." The usual response is, "No." Always treat all guns as if they are loaded, even and especially when you just unloaded them.
@@wesstubbs3472 I'm personally a proponent of 'don't just assume it's loaded... check and clear it.' There's no reason not to be sure the gun is unloaded. Sure, you still don't go pointing it around at people or whatever nonsense, but I feel like the 'treat every gun as if its loaded' rule is kind of redundant for anyone who knows guns. Just CHECK it - don't assume it's loaded. Know for a fact what condition the gun is in.
I've spent some time shooting railroad track plates, as my family business comes across a lot of scrap metal. Normally, with pistol rounds, .22 LR, buck/birdshot, this was no issue as the somewhat hardened steel tended to simply splash the lead, stopping it dead. However, I at one point decided to take my Westinghouse Mosin to the range, and 7.62 screaming at 2700 fps was enough to crater the 3/4" thick steel, sending a couple of shards flying backwards(safety glasses were worn, thankfully). Feeling a sting in my right shoulder, I just assumed I had failed to brace the thing properly, until I noticed a little spot of blood on my tank top, and a bit of lead stuck in me! Suffice to say, those track plates are now jack plates, not targets.
Hey Ian, I hope you explained to them WHY they needed to reposition their target/change their shooting direction, because if you didn't then they will be just a likely to remake the mistake, potentially with more serious consequences. I understand that you don't want to be mean to someone who had no ill intent, but this is a serious safety issue which needs to be fully explained and understood.
This is EXACTLY what I just got done saying on my own comment I left here! I even stated the fact that people like this NEED to be reprimanded and shown how they could have actually killed someone, otherwise they're destined to do the exact same thing again. Well said!
Let's say somebody I happen to know had the funny idea to try something special. He hooked up an electrically fired MG to a battery, and then had the bright idea to get one long ammo belt, must have been 500 or so rounds. Being an aircraft MG, he was wise enough to attach it to a table and then hooked the battery and suddenly the whole thing comes alive as he didn't know in which position the firing solenoid was, before he knew what happened the thing goes out of control, the back legs of the table give way and suddenly it's firing up in the air at a 45° angle with a runaway belt. Now the gun was attached with plastic zip ties which melt after maybe 50 rounds and the whole thing makes a backflip and arcs backwards towards where everyone is standing. Luck would have it they ran to the left towards the cars, and not to the right where the gun fell and raked the ground. The ammo runs out and they get out of cover some with extra content in their pants.
Now they were lucky as they were smart enough to try this in an old quarry pit, the problem is that they had a few hundred rounds going into a parabolic arc towards the nearest village. Luckily nobody got hurt, bullets did little or no damage to speak of, but yeah, runaway machineguns are very scary and extremely loud especially coming from a quarry.
And that's when the police showed up ...
"Hey guys !"
"Hey Chief !"
Yeah, the genius with the MG happened to be the chief of police and of all present nobody who didn't have some kind of official badge ... Let's say they buried the whole thing given nobody got hurt.
"We have investigated the incident and found nothing was amiss."
That is fucking horrifying and beyond retarded, that couldve been several people shot and/or dead considering it's an aircraft MG? Hope youre not still friends with the guy
rules for thee not for me. Not that I wouldnt like to have a MG.
They don't become police officers because they're smart or they're good people.
Jesus christ!
I had a similar experience, when I was in the military. I was in an Army engineer battalion. We went to a correctional facility, to help renovate their shooting range. We were out there with heavy equipment, rebuilding the berm and stuff. After the majority of the work was done, some of us went downrange on foot to inspect our work. Meanwhile, somebody must have thought the work was done, and decided to start using the range! Needless to say, we were NOT amused when bullets started whizzing past us! Those correctional officers got a thorough ass-chewing.
Correctional officer is a euphemism for stupid sadist. Who else would voluntarily spend half their life in a jail?
I was offered a job as a corrections officer, after I left the military. I thought about it, and decided babysitting convicts for a living wasn't for me.
@@michaelblacktree Why WOULDN'T a sane, mentally healthy individual want to spend their waking hours in prison?
@@wesstubbs3472 A lot of cops need to be transferred to prison guards, they clearly want to treat everyone they meet like they're a dangerous criminal.
@@wesstubbs3472
What sane person would fight fires?
What sane person would deal with violent criminals?
What sane person would deal with disease and blood-borne pathogens?
What sane person would voluntarily go to war?
You've lived a pretty safe life to not see the value in the people that do these things.
I shot the ground like 3 feet away from my foot with a 500 Magnum. I have a single action MRI BFR, I cocked it which requires moving my support hand. I put it down to low ready and tried to regrip my support hand, and either I touched off the trigger with my gloved dominant hand, or my support hand, I don't know. However I screwed up, it left an inch wide hole in the ground that probably goes all the way to the earth's core, 440gr hard cast moving over 1700fps, the BFR flew out of my hand, bounced off the ceiling, and landed about 10 feet away.
Happened at a nearly empty unsupervised range in the middle of nowhere, easily the event in my life that I'm the most ashamed of...
I suppose, it doesn't lessen the stupidity of my error, but all the rules all of the time prevents something like this from happening or from being worse. Somehow I touched the trigger and didn't have it pointed down range, but fortunately it wasn't pointed at a human or something valuable.
Learn from my negligent discharge. It shouldn't happen, ever. If it does, you better be following the rest of the safety rules. You have to violate multiple rules simultaneously a serious or fatal accident to happen.
One the one hand, it was dumb; on the other hand, you got away with it, which is the least expensive way to learn a lesson. As my late grandfather, who taught me to shoot back in the '80s, told me: If you're not respecting your gun enough, it will let you know.
@@SpecialEDy To be fair this sounds to me like it was an accidental discharge, not a negligent discharge. A friend of mine has make a similar mistake before. Wearing gloves can be an issue sometimes, particularly with really lightweight triggers. It sounds to me like you were pretty much following all of the rules, you didn't intend to touch the trigger, it was just a genuine accident. And like you said, because you weren't violating any other rules than the one which was accidentally broken, you were fine. I'm not saying it wasn't unsafe, or that you shouldn't learn from it, I'm just trying to say I don't think there is any reason to feel ashamed about it.
Worst I’ve had is a pair of idiots who wouldn’t warn anyone before they went downrange to change targets.
The worst part about that second story is that the one in the back is the one who is a bad shot.
You just need to run it in reverse. That way the good shooter is in the back and the shots get progressively longer!
@@timewave02012 That's the beauty of it! If they are closely matched, then the other guy will be too far to the side to be able to make it look like an accident!
Back in 2010 I got to come home for some leave time in the military so I brought my mother and her first and new handgun to a spot in the nevada desert to shoot against a mountain valley hillside pretty similar to Ian's shooting spot, but a lot less cactusy-- I brought a couple of my guns for her to shoot just to enjoy the day. Just like Ian's hillside, there were many spots where people shoot against the same length of mountain; to our left at a spot 50 yards away was a group of teenagers showed up a half hour later that seemed to have bought their first long guns. At first, they were respectful to the rules of firearm safety, but eventually that went out of the window when they were trying to "bend the bullet like the movie Wanted" and "do a 360 no scope" with a couple of .22lr rifles and some shotguns.
As you can imagine what happened, a couple of rounds zipped our direction and to the shooters behind them facing the other hillside across the valley by about 500 yards. Unlike Ian, I was not calm and instead quite apocalyptically pissed. I can't quite remember what I said, but it was enough for them to pack up and leave; something about range etiquette, getting the sheriff involved and if it kept happening a quip about defending myself by sending rounds back at them with judicious accuracy. My mother likes bragging about the story during family holidays, however since then I wear a chest rig and keep a full trauma kit with me everytime I go shoot outdoors.
Considering that kind of idiocy, it sounds VERY sensible. Hope the carrier has a backplate too... (assuming 'chest rig' means carrier, not a holster...;) )
@@WhiteWolf65 yessir, since its being shot in the back is the biggest fear
@@Pen2penguin whyyy the back only has alot of things that, when hit can change your life for the worse forever, its only getting shot with a gun (bad jokes aside, stay safe)
Badass
I am legit scared to go to public shooting ranges because I have had several awful experiences with claimed experienced shooters being extremely cavalier about waving hot weapons around and pointing them at other shooters. I even went to a friend's club where someone started firing down range while several other shooters were changing targets at the backstop. There is an unreal amount of unsafe gun owners out there and it seems the dumb ones use their experience to rationalize their unsafe practices.
I was once doing a magdump with a group of friends at the range, there were 5 of us on line, and once the shooting was over and I *thought* we were all empty, I was moving back from the line just as I heard a bang. One of my buddies had a round left in the chamber and had popped it off into the ground a few feet from my leg. He looked sheepish for the rest of the session and he never showed up to the range again.
Mr. Tacticool Cosplaytriot was at the public range once, nice place for sighting in your hunting rifle, not so much for drills.
But he did anyway.
And every time he dropped his rifle to his side on the nifty single-point sling, he swept the entire line to his right.
I was competing in a CQB match at a very controlled and rigorous safety minded facility owned by the governments. We always mix of people from a variety of backgrounds. When one guy transitioned from rifle to pistol he dropped the rifle on to the sling and BANG.. nice hole in his foot. Hadn't engaged the safety and his finger was still in the trigger guard when he let go of the rifle. The hosting organization hosting it handled it quick.. no longer allowed on any of their facilities in the country.
@St. Haborym No, difficult there as there's no full-time range staff.
While at an indoor range, a guy had a sawed off shotgun without a butt stock he was shooting despite being against range rules. Gave it to an older woman to shoot. It knocked out all her front teeth. She had to go to hospital and range had to close that section for cleaning
Back in the early 80's some butter bar had us shooting an M2 on a 25m range causing a lot of rounds to bounce all over the place. We got a bunch of shrapnel coming back at us, and I caught one in the arm.
Definitely my own fault on "closest to be shot" but I stapled a target to an old stump on a burm and was stacking rounds with my 10/22 and eventually a ricochet came in inches from my head striking the barn behind me. That concluded my range day.
A SGM that I knew would check targets while soldiers were still firing and call out sight adjustments from down range. “Y’all MFs better not shoot me.” As he points his knife.
Certified badass
closest shave I have had was with an arrow
I was clearing brush from the side of a highway(dangerous work so you are careful!)
suddenly there was a thud ... the ground had vibrated too so I looked down to see the flight of a target arrow!
missed by less than a foot!
not EVER did I think THAT would have been a risk of highway work but there you go!
we found out later there was an archery class that was close enough to have sent it and we made them aware they maybe needed to watch their students a little more (highway traffic at risk and that direction of fire was banned on site) returned their arrow and left
it's not just the range that can be scary
best wishes to all
and follow the 4 rules
:)
Right after I got my first gun, I took a local CCW class. The instructor said we need to get used to shooting at real people not paper targets. He told us to unload and reholster. He then told us to draw our firearms and aim at him. Finally, the instructor said pull the trigger. And the guy standing next to me said "Uhh did you want us to unload first?"
When I was on active duty my unit was at Camp Fuji doing a machine gun and m203 shoot. We had just finished courses of fire with the mk19 and 203 and EOD had declared the range cold to go clear any UXO so we could put up targets for the 249 and 240 course up next. The area was cleared, 5 or 6 Marines and I started taking the new targets downrange. A JGSDF unit had pulled into the firing line next to my unit's for some training and I guess they got confused as to which area they were supposed to be shooting at because the area we were walking to started to get lit up with machinegun fire. The firing line was elevated above the impact area and you can see the foot path to get to the target area clearly so I have no clue how they didn't notice a bunch of noisy Marines with big ass targets, pallets, etc but they claimed they never saw us. Based on where the rounds impacted, the supersonic cracks, and the angle they had to be firing from the rounds were flying uncomfortably close over our heads. No one got hurt and I don't think anyone got in trouble but it was more than a little annoying being shot at by people who are supposedly trained.
Only happened to me once and that was during deer season. I was at the bottom of a small hill, watching for deer along a well used trail, when someone from the top and behind me began shooting down into the brush, with rounds passing above. I hunkered down because if the angle of his shooting changed his bullets would be coming into me! My screaming for him to "FU**ING STOP SHOOTING!!!" and a round fired from my gun finally got his attention!
Ah, the hunting season. In my country (Europe) it was common for hunters to shoot each other every hunting season, usually because they were a) idiots and b) drunk. Usually several people died like that every year, improving the gene pool a bit, I guess.
Sounds like the idiot was trying to scare something into jumping. I hate lazy spray and pray hunters. Give the rest of us a bad name.
"I've got 10 stuffed heads in my trophy room right now
2 game wardens, 7 hunters, and a cow."
- Tom Lehrer.
@@lazyman7505 I didn't realize Europe was a country. Crazy to learn about that in youtube comments. Did the whole EU just become USE or only parts of it so far?
@@wurfyy Oh no, I didn't specify the exact part of the continent, the horrors! How can I live now after committing such a grave sin?
This was around 2019, and some friends of a co worker and, the co worker, and myself were at a range with a tac bay. During that session, the co worker goes up to change targets, and one of the other people proceeds to load up his pistol and shoot a target while the guy was down range. I saw it, I knew what I saw, but I couldn't believe what I saw. Needless to say, he was asked to leave.
Simular thing happened in the Utah west desert. Went to my vehicle and honked the horn until they stopped shooting (sounded like AK, rapid fire). Heard them drive away quickly. Fun times in the desert.
My unsafe experience was when there was a father and 2 kids on the lane next to me. As I was retrieving a target, (electronic retrieval) I turned around, to see one of the kids smiling, and the muzzle of his rifle pointing at my head! I calmly told the father, I packed my stuff and left! it was years before I returned!
I saw a video once from a 3-gun competition, guy is going through a stage, turns a corner and runs into an RO taping up targets.
This didn't happened to me, but to some friends in the 80's. They were drinking in their garden when they saw puffs on a back wall... With holes underneath them. They were first quite puzzled, then understood those were bullet impacts, fled inside and called police.
Now, beyond their garden there was a slope to a valley, then a hill something like a kilometer or more away. And on that hill were apartment buildings.
What the police found was that an idiot in the building had purchased a .22, set up some cigarettes as targets on his window sill and was shooting from the back of the room. Since, to his eyes, there was just empty space beyond the window, that was fine. He didn't even think that the bullets would eventually arc down and hit somewhere...
I don't know what happened to the shooter afterwards.
I’m actually surprised they found him
That's just not knowing basic physics at that point...
@@shawnmiller4781 I’m sure his neighbors were happy to tell the cops which apartment he was in, I wouldn’t be too happy sharing an apartment complex with a dude who wanted to target shoot in his living room
I had a friend about 10 years back who lived in the country and noticed some weird slashing marks in the sheet metal on the side of his shed. On further investigation, he realized that they were from bullets traveling the length of the wall (as opposed to perpendicular). He called the Sheriff's Office and they sent some deputies out to investigate. His neighbor denied all responsibility but just so happened to have a "target" (consisting of a cardboard box with no backstop) set up at the crest of the hill directly in line with my friend's place. He obviously thought it was fine as he couldn't see anything beyond his target (due to the hill). As nobody was hurt, the Deputies didn't press the issue but they did warn him that should there be any repeat incidents they wouldn't be so forgiving.
In the UK: Way back in the 80s I shot 22LR target pistol at my local range, the ceiling and roof had holes in them and there were bullet holes in the desks at the firing line. At least one club member shot himself dead 'cleaning' his gun at home.
Post Hungerford but pre Dunblane we sold our guns as we could see the writing on the wall.
Can we all just say that Ian is a champ not going ballistic like most of us might after getting shot at.
I've been hit my a ricochet before! My local pistol range uses metal stands to hold two 2x2 boards up to hang targets from. A new shooter was at the range seemed to be squeezing her shots low hitting the metal base. What had to be a good 80% of mangled 9mm bullet came back and hit me in the arm. Thankfully not with a lot of speed and barely broke the skin but it has forever convinced me of safety glasses because it could've easily taken an eye.
I was at an 25 yard indoor range and got hit in the shin with a mangled bullet. Enough to hurt not not injure. Not should how it came back but I guess the bullet trap didn’t work or the metal electronic target holder sent it back.
Me and my dad live on 45 acres and have a ton of metal and silhouette targets which we bough so they are real targets. And we were out shooting our 1911s one day at around 15 yds, and im about 2 yards to the left of him when all I feel is a punch in the neck and fall on my back winded. One of the lead round nose 45 acp had hit me in the neck and either flattened out or was already flat but it left a huge welt for like 2 weeks. After that we had to rethink everything about metal targets lol
@@Mibit911 Maybe slightly angle them? Ive seen targets on stands that are stretched sillouettes at a 45 deg angle so looking straight on it looks regular size
I set up paper targets on a wood pile back stop and had 9mm FMJ rounds come back at me. Luckily none hit. That wood had been in the sun for unknown years and apparently was as hard as a rock.
I've been a range officer for the military before. You'd think that being in the military generally means a person knows how to shoot to a basic degree and understands safety. You'd be wrong. Assume nothing. I've seen accidental shootings, ricochet hits, lost fingers, destroyed hands, exploded rifles, struck vehicles.
Yikes.
Nowadays you can see shot phones. Because people try to look sexy on Instagram and fail.
I got an EPTS and had to pick up after everyone else at Jackson. The stories we'd heard were horiffying. In my group we had somebody take an empty frag to the head and in the other unit somebody lost a hand.
My hard headed companion recovered thankfully 🙏
After years in the C.C.F... Absolutely not. I'd assume the Army are the absolute worst, least safe dipshits ever. The RAF are useless shots but at least they're safe. The Navy were the only ones to ever have both good safety and decent shooting. When I was teaching weapons safety i literally had cadets when they first got to hold an L98, who would pick it up, point it at their mate or other cadets (or me) and go "pow pow, bang bang bang!". Anyone who did that not only lost weapon privileges for that week but got to spend some fun time marching the drill square after final parade that night instead of going home with everyone else. When their parents complained to me that they were late and how unfair it was to make them spend extra time marching the square after everyone else had gone home, i'd tell them the reason and say that if they wanted to take their darling offspring home and complain to my commanding officer (as many threatened since it was a posh private school with a lot of rich snobby types) they could do so, but if they did then i'd have to fail the cadet for weapon safety, meaning not being allowed to touch a weapon again during their time in the C.C.F. so no range time, no drill guard and no promotions as range scores were part of promotion qualifications.
Anyone who lost weapon privileges during weapon safety instruction would have to leave their weapon on the desk and not be allowed to touch it, but would also have to spend the entire training lesson holding a cuddly teddy, because that was all they could be trusted with until they learned guns are not fucking toys. This humiliation worked better than most other methods to get them to pay attention, because their mates and other cadets brutally mocked them and took the piss out of them both during the lesson and for some time afterwards due to them being forced to spend an hour holding a cuddly teddy whilst they all learned weapon safety and field stripping.
I've experienced something similar to this. My family and I were camping at a designated camping area. It was late at night and we were around the campfire and heard someone start shooting down the road from us. Rounds were flying over our campsite. The park we were at did not allow discharging of firearms. That shit was wild and I'm glad no one was injured
My worst experience was at an indoor range.
A child turned around with a 22 rifle, pointing it right at me. I barely had time to react before the RSO grabbed the rifle and proceeded to have a serious discussion with the childs mother.
I never saw them again, I still frequent that range and I am now a certified RSO at that very range.