Gavin, your recent comments about the problems associated with Anglo-Catholicism have made draw a line in the sand and I have now started my journey to Rome through RCIA. Thank you.
If I ever meet ANY Anglican / Protestant, who is beginning to think of potentially converting to Catholicism, I’ll show them this! Thank you Dr. Ashenden for articulating your thoughts & faith so well!
This video is literally the answer to my prayers. You have answered every question, every niggle, every doubt I had, even what was in my heart but I did not have words for. I'm blubbing but overjoyed! Thank you so, so much. God Bless you xxxx
Dear Dr. Gavin...What a wonderful speech!!! Thank you once again for your courage, humility and honesty! 👏 May many others recieve the grace and courage to follow your example.
My family and I converted from Anglican to Catholic about 10 years ago when the Church of England started to make changes; We are fortunate to find a Catholic church with a wonderful priest. There is a recorded mass every weekday and several masses on a Sunday. The church is always full and the priest is a "fisher of men". We have a sung mass with a choir and small orchestra sometimes. There is a cantor and 4 or 5 servers. We have incense and the priest wears vestments . The organist was a former Cof E so most of the hymns are from the English hymnal. The priest is also an excellent organist and music plays a big part of this Church , Concerts are held several times a year and we have a visiting choir and orchestra for Christmas and Easter. I know this is not unusual in England, but apart from Cathedrals, unusual here in Australia. We are forever grateful and give thanks to God .
Thank you for your wonderful exposition. In the mid-90’s, I converted to Catholicism from the Episcopal Church in Virginia where I was raised. Never looked back. I recommend Scott Hahn’s wonderful book, Rome Sweet Home, for any American Protestant who enjoyed this excellent talk.
Thank you Dr Gavin for this clear analysis of "ecumenism". (Incidentally I think you are always very polite, and never rude). And as expected, the Holy Eucharist is the fundamental defining element of the true follower of Christ.
Dr. E Michael Jones and Bishop Williamson will help. As a Irish Catholic, I stay in the boat of Rome, massively infiltrated as it is but the mystical body remains. Pray for priests, pray for holy priests 🕊️❤️🙏☘️
The C of E is a schism. Do these allegedly learned men not understand the Tudor Taliban who stole the catholic religion from the people and murdered tens of thousands in doing so. They then created their own orders. It's simple. Join the Barque of Peter we need all the good seamen we can get in these stormy waters.
Thank you for this most eloquent post. Hugely appreciated. It has gathered my scattered thoughts and concreted my mind: Therefore as a Roman Catholic, "My choice. My belief. I stand by it and will die a mortal death for it, knowing my eternal soul will never die." There is a chance that I will lose friends and family over this. It will hurt, yes, but it won't change my mind. If you choose to turn your back on my mortal being, that's your God given free choice. I will pray for your eternal soul, for the Holy Spirit to reach your soul, open your eyes, see the light and follow the true Christian faith. This brief life ... what I do and it starts with 'thought', then come the words, then the deeds. This brief life. How I live my life and what I think and say and do, VERY MUCH decides what will happen to me, my eternal soul, for eternity hereafter. There is no grey area with God. No negotiating. It's His way or Hell. My choice - our human choice. He will never force us ... He gave us free choice. This world is transient. Choose carefully! Eternity is a very long, infinite, eternal 'un-time'!! I'm ROMAN Catholic and will NOT 'dis-own' the Office of the Papacy and therein, the one true church. I pray for our Pope that he have the strength of spirit and courage against evil, and will look up and see and condemn the damage the certain elements within the leadership, the Vatican, around the world, the evil 'woke-ness' being stimulated and relentlessly driven within the world and the evil of idolatry, paganism, and all and anything that Satan is greedy for and pushing. That includes Feminism - the sin of Eve! As a woman, I WILL be obedient to God only! I venerate the Holy Mother of God, Mary most holy, most chaste, most pure, most obedient and I believe in the true Transubstantiation of the Eucharist, which is ONLY possible through the direct contact of Jesus Christ to Peter (upon THIS rock I will build MY CHURCH), and through that direct contact down through the unbroken line of the Roman Catholic Church. There is NO other route to God and eternal salvation of my soul. This man clarifies this gently and crystal clearly. It is exactly what Jesus says in the Bible, handed down from the 1st century ... not some fanciful, sanitisation to suit human wantoness (PRIDE! Is the most evil of sins!), manipulation of words to bend the truth to suit the protestant ends! A terrible schism can happen. History reflects this. But whatever happens, I stand with Rome and the ONLY true Church, the ROMAN Catholic Church. And I pray that the Traditional Latin Mass will be allowed to continue in parishes where priests and laity want it ... that it will be allowed to regenerate and the silliness of the experimentation post Vatican II will be seen and dumped for what it is ... a vacuous nonsense.
Hello Dr Gavin, thanks so much for this talk of clarification on the truth of the Catholic Church, it's authority but in particular the value of Eucharist miracles. It seems to hold the essence of all that we would like to hold up before those who doubt the fact that the Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded. The importance of unity is also highlighted.. this is what we need in our secular/demonic times. Thankyou for speaking so clearly. Even those who respond negatively may well come eventually to understand the truth.
@@b.r.holmes6365 The Vatican allows? What can the Vatican do to stop heretics from being heretics? The German and Belgian bishops have free will. The Vatican can threaten to excommunicate them (I doubt that they will but they could) but would that stop them? You can't stop people from doing what they decide to do except by force. The Church asks, advises, explains, pleads, and exhorts, but she cannot force. What would you have her do? Besides actually excommunicating a whole lot of people--and I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see exactly that, but the Church usually doesn't do that except as a very last resort. It's a sad situation but the Church is still the Church, complete with wheat and tares, side by side until Jesus returns at the End.
And there was a recent Eucharistic miracle in Connecticut where the Eucharistic minister didn't have enough Hosts, but continued to distribute Communion to a much larger number of people - It had been multiplied. The Vatican is investigating it.
Thank you. I converted 20 years ago when I lived in Brighton. I had to get out of the anti-Christian ethos and crossed the channel where I have a huge church next to me with the Blessed Sacrement in.
What a truly heartening soul you are Dr Gavin Ashenden. May God bless you! As a RC I always enjoy your talks, but this one was the best yet by far!. May God TRULY bless you and your family and friends Sir.
This must of been a hard video to make. I've enjoyed your observations, reflections and presentations since you were on AU. Frankly, I've been impressed with many Anglican or former Anglican priests, canons, ministers that are on YT. Father Edward Meeks is an example, with a wonderful knowledge of scripture and clarity of presentation. God bless you.
I was waiting for the chimes. I think they are very gentle and not at all obtrusive, don't know why people should object to hearing them. (Btw, does this mean all the clocks need to be wound manually - and regularly?)
thank you so much for becoming a catholic Doctor. You give much fresh air to the church along with my good priest- of the ordinariate Fr Bernard and Fr David. I'm so happy you know the God in the Eucharist and defend the catholic faith in its fullest. May God bless ... Brendan and Tuyet
For me the sound of the bells of St Peter's in Rome or St Paul's in London would be more in keeping with your wonderful sermons. { 'Summoned By Bells' John Betjeman }.😎
As an ex Anglican who became a Catholic in 1958 (now aged 89), I think the anglican church has never been honest about the 39 Articles when pretending to be near Catholicism. So called ecumenism has never been carried out by Catholics the way laid down in the Vatican II documents. All this has caused a thick fog in understanding on both sides of the divide. Well done by putting the case so well. I am a Discalced Carmelite Secular …..OCDS. +
Thank you so mischievous for your sharing, I grew up Anglican, converted 50 years ago to the Catholic Church, which for me the reality of the sacraments
God Bless you Dr. G. The bark of Peter needs people like you... Pray for the conversion of worldly clergy and the protection of those priests and catholics who teach properly and protect the deposit of faith.
17:50 Anglicans do conduct exorcisms though. My cathedral just had a conference on it, and the ACNA has the Order of St. Michael, which is the provincial deliverance ministry. Rev. George Conger from Anglican Ink just took a class on exorcisms in the Vatican, taught by Roman Catholic exorcists, and I think he is going to be the diocesan exorcist in Central Florida.
I give Conger credit for his efforts. I just watched Anglican unscripted and he's still working on trying to get some more training in a nearby diocese, I hope he gets what he needs.
The Anglican ministers did lots of good around the world, it's helpful then to see them as their own construction, which can and did do many good things, with God's help.
It was C.S. Lewis who was responsible for my conversion from atheist to Christian. I loved the idea of being “mere Christian “ and llike many others I pray the Rosary and also many other Catholic prayers. I am dismayed at the positions of both Anglicanism and Catholicism regarding politicizing the faith and wait to see how it’s dealt with.
I was a practicing 'Anglo-Catholic' for 30 years, I now realise I kidded myself all that time. Crossed the Tiber 10 years ago, thank God. I also thank Him for the Eastern Rite Church and the SSPX.
Thank you for such clarity I became a Catholic when my son a Baptised from birth Catholic was a teenager and he brought me back to the Lord he is 47 now. I am still a Faithful Catholic Dad was a Protestant but sent me to a Servite Convent as a child and learnt Latin and the Catholic Faith. You have confirmed so much for me. I pray for unity and the Truth for everyone God Bless you we need to be under Authority
Wonderful, thank you for your insight Gavin and thank you for bringing our minds to Our Lady, May being her month. I observe that every nation that has rejected Our Blessed Mother, has lost it's faith. Daughter to the Father, mother to the Son, spouse to the Holy Spirit, please intercede for us. +
Gavin, I understand that having swum the Tiber you have all the zeal of the convert and though I agree with you that the days of the Church of England (not the Anglican Communion) are numbered, I think it's a mistake labelling Anglo-Catholics as 'Trans-Catholic'. After all that's the sort remark any member of the Eastern Orthodox Church could, if he were so inclined, apply to the Roman Catholic Church, accusing it of having a nostalgia for the Church of the Apostles, a Church more closely represented by the Eastern Orthodox Church. As an Anglo-Catholic (well until a few months ago), the idea of swimming the Tiber only to arrive on the banks of the Stour is not something that appeals to me. I see in Pope Francis a wannabe Anglican. On another point, I recall watching a lecture by Bishop Robert Baron on transubstantiation; he mentioned that a survey of Roman Catholics revealed that most Catholics (at least in the USA) do not believe in that doctrine. As for me, I believe in the real presence - how that happens is a mystery, but again, like the Eastern Orthodox, that's what I believe and it's enough. You might well lose a few friends Gavin, but I continue to value your talks even when I might not agree fully with what you say.
It was less of a shock for me to discover that Catholicism is true than it had been to discover that God Truly IS and that Christianity is true. Interestingly, I found the truth of Catholicism through a solitary reading of the Bible (Latin Vulgate). One single ad hoc prayer of exorcism can be made even without the particular Authority, but that is a rare exception to the norm -- and it has, besides, been authoritatively established as an exception. But no formal excommunication rites can be attempted without it, outside of some rare emergencies, and even then only by a validly ordained priest.
This was helpful to me as EO as I didn’t know Anglicans weren’t actually liturgically ordained for 3-400 years. Orthodox do not accept Anglican orders and do not have the forensic legalistic take on Apostolicity as the Roman Catholics. But it’s easy to try and make allies of Anglo-Catholics in apostolic terms when such doesn’t exist. (I’m not talking here of faithful commitment.) Merely not acceding to the claims of the pope’s person doesn’t, of course, make common cause. Evidence of that “ecclesial sacramental nostalgia” was on display in a local A-C parish, already dwindled, when it ruptured due to the leadership wish to become Orthodox and the rest wishing to remain…what, exactly, was the issue. But worldly identity seemed to be at the heart. The group of A-C’s entering into communion recently seem eager, first, for a fullness of faith in Christ. One hopes that not becoming Roman doesn’t mean bringing along Protestant baggage of anti-papalism. Orthodoxy doesn’t define itself in those terms since it’s pre-papalist. The magesterium is held throughout the Church in the Apostles, Fathers, Councils, liturgy & offices, sense of the faithful, and in the person of the bishop. Its to be wished that a Primus sums up this common life in his exercise of office. It’s a positive identity that sees in late papal claims a reduction and narrowing and personalizing of that held in the Spirit by the whole Church. As for Eucharistic miracles, any time the grace of God is wielded as some kind of proof for a camp, we’ve stepped outside the biblical & apostolic witness for signs. Miracles are relatively easy to come by, and must always be interpreted as a call to repentance. Icons tend to weep, not wave flags. And if the hidden reality of Our Lord is being made manifest on patens & in chalices, well may the faithful rejoice. After a visit to the confessional.
The Anglo-Catholics under the APA (Anglican Province of America) have Bishops with proven Apostolic succession. Anglo-Catholics are not to be confused with Episcopalian or Modern Anglicans
Thank you. Our ancestors in England were forced and compelled into schism by a tyrant whose care was forcthe Tudor dynasty. He destroyed to get hos lustful way. You have spoken well Gavin and may God open the ears and hearts of the British
Thank you so much for your insights on the problems of being an “anglocatholic as I called myself”. As an Anglican female priest I was dissolutioned by the liberalism of the Anglican Church back then, gave up my “orders” and was received into the Catholic Church. I loved it, but over the years I began to feel my priestly calling returning. There has been no ordaining of females over the years so I returned to the Anglican Church, and was able to take up my orders again as a retired priest. Now with the woke movement and the increasing liberalism in the Anglican Church in Canada, I am again thinking of returning to the Catholic Church. To where shall I go.? Only Jesus has the words of eternal life and the true sacraments.
Hello....it must be a difficult struggle. Our desires can be SO strong. Can l suggest something ....when you were learning about and a practicing Catholic did you hear about 'offering' our suffering to Jesus for His purposes, salvation of others and other reasons? It's an old practice, but not often done...by me either!! If you haven't yet, l'd suggest you offer struggle to Him for those who are also questioning, struggling (even for those are fighting turning to God) or whatever you and He wants you. (These are ideas/ suggestions...you work it). He WILL honour it, He may answer your question quickly, maybe not. Regardless He will use it for good. He will lead you were He wants you! Blessings
Thank you, I find your videos and perspective so interesting. But, the videos have recently been monetized, with ads playing frequently throughout. Although I want to provide support to the channel in any way I can, I find the ads very disruptive to the flow of the video. Would it be possible go without the ads? I apologize if this is rude to ask.
I have been hanging on every word of this masterly commentary. It gives me the assurance and the encouragement of the Holy Spirit to continue in my wish to be received (back) into the Roman Catholic Church, into which I was first baptised. Thank you Dr Gavin.
Very true, God would have liked to accede to your polite request, but Transsubstantion can only be performed by Catholic or Orthodox properly ordained ministers.
The major issue is really the doctrinal statement in their Articles positively denying the Real Presence of Christ in Holy Eucharist -- instead supposing that their "eucharist" is merely symbolic -- because without valid Eucharist, the only other Sacraments possible are Baptism and Matrimony, neither of which are directly dependent on Eucharist. But there is no Sacrament of Holy Orders except through the Eucharist, so that the Anglican "bishops" simply cannot confer that Sacrament upon anyone. ergo, the Anglicans have no valid Orders. Undoubtedly, many Anglicans have good or even wonderful Christian Faith, including among their clergymen ; but Faith alone does not provide Sacramental validity.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I feel Anglo Catholics want the frills and thrills but don’t feel obliged fully to accept the authority of their church.
Yep the Angicans were not Ordained to offer a Sacrifice on purpose since that was the novel idea of the reformation. They purposly rejected the sacrifice of the mass.
@@thomascicero128 I did and I checked out a little book written by Henry the 8th called defence of the 7 Sacraments against Martin Luther and I checked out Defense of the Priesthood by St Bishop John Fisher. They both defend the Mass as a sacrifice and transubstatiation. Which Martin Luther attacked. Later after Henry Broke from the church the reformation came into England full force and under King Edward they rewrote the ordination rite stripping away any reference to the .mass as a sacrifice intentionally .
Thank you Dr. Ashenden for your clear explanations of the difference between CofE and RC. Some men/women feel to be English you have to be C of E! We need people like you to speak out in England, just like they have Dr. Taylor Marshall and Mr. Michael Matt in America for the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. 🎉.
There is a display of approved Eucharistic miracles, put together by Blessed Carlo Acutis and at the Vatican, is now traveling about the world, it was just in New York. There were about 100 of them described.
I believe Newman and Pusey had similar conversations to this. Newman himself never wore Catholic vestments as an Anglican and continued to celebrate the Eucharist at the north end of the communion table. The Tractarians didn't promote adopting Catholic ritual, it was those who came after. The Tractarians were concerned that, due to changes in state laws which came about in the 1850s, men who were not Anglican would be in the government hence have jurisdiction in the affairs of the Church of England. They considered this the heresy of Erastianism. I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on this subject but it was a long time ago. My conclusion was that moving in a more Catholic direction was inevitable because the Church of England had retained a Catholic liturgy (lex orandi, lex credendi) and that the decoration of churches and clergy that came about as part of the catholic revival reflected English middle class domestic norms. (There was no middle class prior to the Industrial Revolution).
A priest once said that John 6:67 is one of the saddest verses in scripture. This is why Protestants belong to those who 'walked no more with Him'; they have some stolen books and letters and some of them deign to bother with baptism and 'no more'. Kyrie eleison.
Evil men forfeit their own being. Regarding John chapter 6. The infidel insists on interrogating God - verse 53; and then hardening his heart - verse 61. Our Lord asks, "Doth this scandalize you?" (John 6:62). There is a reason the Real Presence is called the 'wonderful and hidden Sacrament which only the Faithful of Christ know.' St Peter, pray for us.
Another point to be made about Cranmer is that he committed himself to the position that the Sacrifice of the Mass was an idolatrous and blasphemous rite. It follows that he should have judged himself and every other bishop in the land never to have received anything of Christ's when ordained to the substance, and then the fullness, of the sacrificing priesthood; but that they had for generations been made nothing but ministers of idolatry. So, on a Protestant view, the claim of the Church of England to have preserved the Christian episcopate is internally inconsistent.
I agree with your criticism of the idea of anglicanism as a coherent single church but there are also a number of errors / misrepresentations here: 1. many (though not most) anglicans would say that yes the bread and wine does become the body and blood, so its something of a misrepresentation to say they "anglicans" do not. 2. more generally, you're using the views of evangelical anglicans as representative of anglicanism as a whole (and even more oddly doing so in order to criticise anglo-catholicism - e.g. criticism for using the word "priest" in a parish setting, absolutely you would have parishes where that is an issue but equally you would have parishes where not doing would be an issue). If you want to criticise the views of anglo-catholics, then engage with their actual views and respond to those rather than obfuscating. 3. you can't deal with the question of Anglican orders without dealing with the Dutch touch, even if anglo-catholic orders were invalid at the time of Apostolicae Curae, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are invalid now (though they may well be), but again you have to engage with the arguments they actually make rather than ignore them.
Anglican bishops were ordained by bishops of the Independent Philipino Church, whose orders I understand were valid. How does this fit into points about apostolic succession?
Based on what Ashenden says about the invalidity of Anglican orders, the same could be said of the I validity of Roman orders. I could find the specifics for you.
@@FruityFruitbat The Anglican encyclical, Saepius Officio, written by theArchbishops of Canterbury and York in response to the encyclical of Leo XIII, stated that if ordinations of Anglican priests and bishops were invalid, by the same measure, so must Catholic ordinations. Why? Because under Queen Mary Tudor, many priests who were ordained during the monarchy of Edward Vl, were not reordained , but only anointed by Mary’s bishops.
I'm having an awful time, Anglicanism turned out to be too broad in scope, it's only chance at fixing that issue is with the 39 Articles, and I have a far harder time accepting some of them than any of the dogmas of Rome. However, Rome, especially in my little enclave, is a liturgical wasteland of modernism, little beautiful architecture, etc... making it difficult for an aesthete like myself to embrace Catholicism while intellectually knowing it's truth. I realize doctrine is more important than liturgical* purity, but I wince at the altar girls and 'extraordinary minsters' of communion, the terrible hymns, etc.. and pine for deeper, more esteemed liturgy, and the Anglo-Catholics do that well.
I agree with you - I too wince at the altar girls (a dreadful mistake)- I avoid the awfulness of eucharistic ministers and present myself only to the priest- and miss the beautiful hymns and singing. But I found that worse than all that was the pretence that the Anglican ministers had the power and authority and capacity to change the elements. In the end it was Jesus, or nothing. So I pay the price of the altar girls, the silly E-M's and the lack of music to receive Jesus in the Mass.
@@DrGAshenden Forgive me, Gavin, but that makes no sense whatsoever. *Can you not see* that this is The Episcopal Church happening all over again!? Do you really think that just because it is the Church of Rome that it will somehow escape the corrosive influences that have destroyed TEC?
I was an Anglo Catholic who became Roman. We had very Catholic beliefs. We believed in literal presence . I’ve always felt somehow there was something more at Episcopal services than in other Protestant services. Perhaps I’m mistaken. But we have many priests now who left the Roman church and reportedly some Episcopal priests ordained with Orthodox orders…
15:42 Anglicans and Lutherans do not believe the Eucharist is "blessed bread", we believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist along with the Bread and the Wine. In other words, we correctly believe that when the Eucharist is consecrated, Christ becomes present, but the bread and wine do not cease to be present.
I see I'm not alone in awaiting the chimes of your clock 😅 If I've timed them correctly, they go off on the quarter hour, and are more elaborate on the top of the hour. I figured you use them to time yourself as you present your talks, beginning after the final note of a quarter hour chime, then usually wrapping up after the next quarter hour chime. As the kids say, "I would totally do that."
The Church can't make a decision about Garabandal yet because it isn't over. Padre Pio believed in it and so did Mother Teresa. It's an important topic to investigate since it has information about the end times.
Dear Doctor Ashenden I hope that you may have time to watch some of the converts in the US - Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Jeff Cavins and others. And please if you get the chance try to drag young Calvin Robinson into the Catholic fold too - he is SO near and like you anti woke this is his proper home :)
I believe we have to pray for Bishops and Priests in the Catholic faith.. we need priests infused with the Holy Spirit .. a renewing of the Faith .. we need to go to adoration in the Church .. the tabernacle.. and adore his Holy face .. there is so much power in prayer .. especially before Him in Adoration…
The problem for me with Catholicism is the emphasis on tradition as carrying equal weight with the Bible. I don’t see anything in the Bible, for instance, about Mary having been born without sin. In fact, the actual biblical record has no special emphasis on Mary except for her very important role as the mother of Jesus. To respect her is one thing, to venerate her another. Nor do I see anything in the establishment of communion to substantiate the belief in transubstantiation. Obviously the Eucharist is a sacrament. Obviously it is extremely meaningful. It disturbs me that Catholics refuse communion to baptized Christians who are following the Lord Jesus Christ. It divides Christians, and that is wrong.
as a new believer, its been 6 months or so since the Holy spirit found me and changed my life, but i knew nothing about serious religion, other than the sunday school stuff, so ive been on fire trying to work out where i belong, and to be honest after weeks and weeks of constant researching, i am fed up with the Church, if they arent fighting each other, then they are losing thier way, going into heresy, like the C of E, or doing word gymnastics in the Bible, to make things fit what they want to believe, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, when the Bible clearly shows she wasnt, and had other children. With things like that, you just think "what is going on"... Faith in our lord Jesus is easy, compared to working out which church you can trust. All i know is what i believe, i believe in the trinity, Jesus fully man, fully God, i believe we should honour Mary, she is the mother of Jesus after all, and what with the sighting of Mary, like that thing in 1961 in spain i think, there is something very Holy about Mary, even though she is a creature of God... and i believe we should honour the saints, who without people like St Peter, Christianity wouldnt have spread and changed the world forever, and i pray the rosary.. i sound like a catholic, so why does the body of the church, put me off.... so complicated and its left me so confused 😕 the church can actually put you off being religious. The church should be there for everyone, not just the people with PHDs in theology, ancient languages, and philosophy, before you can work out what is going on..
@@tonyoliver2750 well the catholic church does not itself use the term Roman Catholic to label itself as far as I'm aware. It's mainly a label used in the UK, but not the official name
@@tonyoliver2750 Roman is only the Catholic Church in the West. There are other Catholic Churches in full communion. with the Pope which aren't Roman, such as the Maronites, Melkites, Uniates in Romania, Ukraine or Ruthenia, the Syriac Church, Chaldean etc...which are not Roman.
I would not be surprised if he eventually joins the Ordinariate. I know he's said on Pints with Aquinas that they won't accept him yet as he's too politically controversial. But tbh they do have a point to a certain degree - I think he can get a bit too involved in political topics at times, can be a bit edgy, and this detracts slightly from his genuine religiosity. He's absolutely correct in what he says in a lot of things, but I think he needs to keep his gaze firmly on the Lord Jesus Christ, and not too caught up in socio-cultural conservative politics.
@@MidnightIsolde This is a time when his strong voice is required, though, especially in his country. Rev. Robinson is a leading warrior in the culture war. St. Paul described how the Holy Spirit endows different people with unique gifts of the spirit. Not every religious person is intended to be tucked away in a monastery. It's pretty clear that Calvin's mission is to conduct a public anti-woke ministry.
@@MidnightIsolde I agree... Perhaps, I am wrong, but that's why I say that he needs to sort out his ecclesiology. He is making the same arguments that some protestant make, and Gavin masterfully addressed here... Personally, I think this video was directed to Calvin.
At a meeting of Catholic and Anglicans to discuss our beliefs, I stated that Catholics believe that the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of The Lord, and asked if Anglicans believe the same. A leading Anglican replied " No Hugh I can assure you that Anglicans do not believe this." However an Anglican woman replied " I could believe that". In The Anglican service the words " May this become the body and blood of Christ for you" are used. So I wonder that if the communicant had enough faith could this perhaps happen?. Or say three baptised Christians prayed to God and asked for this to occour, could it?
There is a lot in this video, some of it insightful, some of it curious. Dr. G says the power to consecrate the elements come from the Pope, yet the Eastern Churches are recognized as having this power and they consciously reject it is from the Pope, but from apostolic succession. There is nothing in principle against Anglican priests having this power: the discussion comes down to a technicality in the ordination of Matthew Parker and a misreading of the BCP by the Papal commission behind Apostolicae Curae. It should be noted that even if AC is correct, most of the CoE ordinations would have had apostolic succession reinjected by the presence of Old Catholic bishops at various ordinations through the 20th century. It is quite possible to believe in a true consecration of the elements into Christ's Body and Blood without holding to Transubstantiation. As proof: everyone prior to the development of TSS who held to physical presence. Again, Easterns don't hold to TSS, but no-one doubts they hold that the consecrated bread is the Body of Christ. There is a lot of discussion of "nostalgia". Maybe there is some of that about, but to me, it seems the Oxford movement theologians were wrestling with the ancient and mediaeval sources and coming to a _positive_ view about Sacramentology, vestments, etc. They weren't being "nostalgic" any more than Dr. G himself is by imitating ancient Christianity. The question of acceptance of Anglican orders by the Pope isn't so much that they want big daddy's approval, it's out of their view of catholicity which views the apostolic branches as equal participants in Christianity. Therefore, for a sect of that family to disinvite them to the table is a breach in the family, from their view. I don't know why they fought this out after Apostolicae Curae and then wrecked their orders again by ordaining priestesses and female "bishops" but that is a different problem.
I don't maintain the authority to consecrate the Holy Eucharist comes from the pope. It clearly derives from the Apostolic Succession that was only fragmented in 1054. It would be very ignorant to read back retrospectively from the schism and I certainly don't do so. The only difference between the sacramental theology between East and West is that the East does not use the scholastic language of Aristotelianism in order to attempt the impossible which is to describe the means of the miraculous change. The Commission that produced Apostolicae Curae did not misread Parker's consecration. Amongst other observations they took into account that in 1662, a hundred years later the words of the ordination service were changed to remedy a perceived defect. en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Apostolicae_Curae It needs to be acknowledged that it is not just the Western Patriarch that rejects the validity of Anglican orders, so too do all the Eastern Patriarchates. You suggest that ordination of women is a different issue; in one sense it is, but in another sense it reflects the same original unwillingness to accept Apostolic authority and the settled mind of the historic Church the Protestantism embodies, and from which its subsequent multiple fractures derive.
Why? Because there is only One Holy Catholic Church, established by Our Lord under the authority of Peter. You can't be a member of God's Church if you are not submitted to Peter. "You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church."
@@roybhasker So what you seem to be saying is that Matthew 18:20 is not true - which is an astonishing thing to say. There is no modifying clause in Matthew 18:20. So tell me, what is the one true Church of Jesus Christ? Bear in mind that when Jesus spoke there was no Church in Rome and no Pontificate.
@@tonyoliver2750 So you take one true statement from Our Lord and decide to reject another true statement from Our Lord. That make NO sense at all. You don't get to decide which of Our Lord's statements you are going to accept and reject.
@@tonyoliver2750 Your comments are getting more ridiculous as you proceed. Of course there was no Church in Rome at the time Our Lord made the statement to Peter - because Peter was RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! It was only after Our Lord died and rose that Peter went to Rome. Please start using some logic!
@@DrGAshenden I'm not sure Gavin, but I assume it's YT playing games. The Stasi would enter the rooms of those with whom it disagreed, while the occupant was at work. They would rearrange the furniture and the content of drawers, signalling their displeasure without confrontation or reason, until the individual desisted or went mad. Perhaps it's the on-line equivalent, letting some posts pass while equally apposite and inoffensive posts never appear?
Most of your argument presupposes that the acceptance of the doctrine of transubstantiation is necessary in order to have a valid ordination. Although Anglicans don't accept transubstantiation, we accept the real presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. If you are going to say that the Anglican Church had to hold to transubstantiation in order for its orders to be valid, then by that logic the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Orders are invalid, as well as the first 1000 years of Holy Orders in the Church as there wasn't a dogmatic understanding of Transubstantiation being held.
I don't think your critique is quite right. Transubstantiation is on a (Scholastic) way of trying to describe what happens. It can only tell part of the truth from one philosophical angle. The Eastern Church believes exactly the same as the Catholic Church. blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2013/08/14/the-doctrine-of-transubstantiation-in-the-orthodox-church/ But the Protestant Church denies the sacrifice (as it offends the notion of time and space that Enlightenment birthed religions are created out of) and replaces it with a vague notion of so-called 'real presence' whatever that is. Transubstantiation is a useful theological way of not buying into the Lutheran/Anglican vagueness of the way in which the phrase real presence is used by sacramentically nostalgic Protestants. Accompanied by the signs of Eucharistic miracles is becomes clear that the Catholic Church is doing something objectively miraculous during the Mass (through the Holy Spirit) , while the Anglican Church is engaging in a subjectively sanctified remembering. This is all well and good. Until you want Jesus in the Mass in a more (trans)substantial way. For that you have to have the Catholic (or Orthodox) Mass. All of this is reflects in the intention and prayers of the different liturgies. If Anglicans want the sacrifice of the Mass, and the miracle of changed elements, since their ordination and communion liturgies set out to do something else, one has to become a Catholic.
@@DrGAshenden You are right to name enlightenment materialism as the source of confusion. It has deeply embedded assumptions about the nature of reality, that trap Christians in circular reasoning. One of the Brothers who taught our tough crowd, was challenged on the nature of the Eucharist by a scientifically minded boy. He asked what an autopsy on someone who had recently received communion, would find in their stomach. The priest answered that chemical analysis would find bread. The boy had hoped to trap the brother in magical thinking, or an alchemical transformation of some kind. The dichotomy isn't confined to precocious schoolboys, protestant churches engage in the same mental gymnastics and unable to square matter with spirit, opt for symbolic explanations. This is not to deny that Eucharistic miracles occur, but their occurrence reminds us matter is not exhaustive even when it is the earthly norm. Time and space are transcended in the mass.
Such a nuanced and intelligent apologetic, while honest with his Anglican friends, however, the tradition of the Church has not been freedom of religion (free will, yes), therefore, I would not say that it is ‘acceptable’ to continue outside the Church in a schismatic ‘church.’
Orthodox and Russian Orthodox have never altered the Ordination Rites. They ordain a Sacrificial Priesthood. They have Apostolic Succession - though they are in Schism from the RC Church. They do indeed have valid Sacraments - they retained the original form and intention of the Traditional Latin Rite Church.🙂
I am a convert from the Jehovah's Witnesses that I was raised in. The Lord is calling us all home to Rome.
Gavin,
your recent comments about the problems associated with Anglo-Catholicism have made draw a line in the sand and I have now started my journey to Rome through RCIA. Thank you.
If I ever meet ANY Anglican / Protestant, who is beginning to think of potentially converting to Catholicism, I’ll show them this! Thank you Dr. Ashenden for articulating your thoughts & faith so well!
This video is literally the answer to my prayers. You have answered every question, every niggle, every doubt I had, even what was in my heart but I did not have words for. I'm blubbing but overjoyed! Thank you so, so much. God Bless you xxxx
Dear Dr. Gavin...What a wonderful speech!!! Thank you once again for your courage, humility and honesty! 👏 May many others recieve the grace and courage to follow your example.
My family and I converted from Anglican to Catholic about 10 years ago when the Church of England started to make changes; We are fortunate to find a Catholic church with a wonderful priest. There is a recorded mass every weekday and several masses on a Sunday. The church is always full and the priest is a "fisher of men". We have a sung mass with a choir and small orchestra sometimes. There is a cantor and 4 or 5 servers. We have incense and the priest wears vestments . The organist was a former Cof E so most of the hymns are from the English hymnal. The priest is also an excellent organist and music plays a big part of this Church , Concerts are held several times a year and we have a visiting choir and orchestra for Christmas and Easter. I know this is not unusual in England, but apart from Cathedrals, unusual here in Australia. We are forever grateful and give thanks to God .
Thank you for your wonderful exposition. In the mid-90’s, I converted to Catholicism from the Episcopal Church in Virginia where I was raised. Never looked back. I recommend Scott Hahn’s wonderful book, Rome Sweet Home, for any American Protestant who enjoyed this excellent talk.
Thank you Dr Gavin for this clear analysis of "ecumenism". (Incidentally I think you are always very polite, and never rude). And as expected, the Holy Eucharist is the fundamental defining element of the true follower of Christ.
Dr. E Michael Jones and Bishop Williamson will help. As a Irish Catholic, I stay in the boat of Rome, massively infiltrated as it is but the mystical body remains. Pray for priests, pray for holy priests 🕊️❤️🙏☘️
Pray for conversion of pope and majority of cardinals
E Michel Jones is a nazi loving Jew hater, who is so hateful, he can't possibly be a Christian.
@@marydewar5675 Rome is looking increasingly like The Episcopal Church, and with no resolution in sight. I'd go to Orthodoxy before I'd go to Rome.
You will be happy to know this McCarthy is still in the boat with you, as are my children and grandchildren.
The C of E is a schism. Do these allegedly learned men not understand the Tudor Taliban who stole the catholic religion from the people and murdered tens of thousands in doing so. They then
created their own
orders. It's simple. Join the Barque of Peter we need all the good seamen we can get in these stormy waters.
Thank you for this most eloquent post. Hugely appreciated.
It has gathered my scattered thoughts and concreted my mind:
Therefore as a Roman Catholic, "My choice. My belief. I stand by it and will die a mortal death for it, knowing my eternal soul will never die."
There is a chance that I will lose friends and family over this. It will hurt, yes, but it won't change my mind. If you choose to turn your back on my mortal being, that's your God given free choice. I will pray for your eternal soul, for the Holy Spirit to reach your soul, open your eyes, see the light and follow the true Christian faith.
This brief life ... what I do and it starts with 'thought', then come the words, then the deeds. This brief life. How I live my life and what I think and say and do, VERY MUCH decides what will happen to me, my eternal soul, for eternity hereafter.
There is no grey area with God. No negotiating. It's His way or Hell. My choice - our human choice. He will never force us ... He gave us free choice. This world is transient. Choose carefully! Eternity is a very long, infinite, eternal 'un-time'!!
I'm ROMAN Catholic and will NOT 'dis-own' the Office of the Papacy and therein, the one true church. I pray for our Pope that he have the strength of spirit and courage against evil, and will look up and see and condemn the damage the certain elements within the leadership, the Vatican, around the world, the evil 'woke-ness' being stimulated and relentlessly driven within the world and the evil of idolatry, paganism, and all and anything that Satan is greedy for and pushing. That includes Feminism - the sin of Eve!
As a woman, I WILL be obedient to God only! I venerate the Holy Mother of God, Mary most holy, most chaste, most pure, most obedient and I believe in the true Transubstantiation of the Eucharist, which is ONLY possible through the direct contact of Jesus Christ to Peter (upon THIS rock I will build MY CHURCH), and through that direct contact down through the unbroken line of the Roman Catholic Church. There is NO other route to God and eternal salvation of my soul.
This man clarifies this gently and crystal clearly. It is exactly what Jesus says in the Bible, handed down from the 1st century ... not some fanciful, sanitisation to suit human wantoness (PRIDE! Is the most evil of sins!), manipulation of words to bend the truth to suit the protestant ends!
A terrible schism can happen. History reflects this. But whatever happens, I stand with Rome and the ONLY true Church, the ROMAN Catholic Church.
And I pray that the Traditional Latin Mass will be allowed to continue in parishes where priests and laity want it ... that it will be allowed to regenerate and the silliness of the experimentation post Vatican II will be seen and dumped for what it is ... a vacuous nonsense.
Hello Dr Gavin, thanks so much for this talk of clarification on the truth of the Catholic Church, it's authority but in particular the value of Eucharist miracles. It seems to hold the essence of all that we would like to hold up before those who doubt the fact that the Catholic Church is the church that Christ founded. The importance of unity is also highlighted.. this is what we need in our secular/demonic times. Thankyou for speaking so clearly. Even those who respond negatively may well come eventually to understand the truth.
Amen 🙏
Yet, in reality, the Vatican allows German and Belgian bishops to bless ungodly relationships. What is truth?
@@b.r.holmes6365 The Vatican allows? What can the Vatican do to stop heretics from being heretics? The German and Belgian bishops have free will. The Vatican can threaten to excommunicate them (I doubt that they will but they could) but would that stop them? You can't stop people from doing what they decide to do except by force. The Church asks, advises, explains, pleads, and exhorts, but she cannot force. What would you have her do? Besides actually excommunicating a whole lot of people--and I'm not saying I wouldn't like to see exactly that, but the Church usually doesn't do that except as a very last resort. It's a sad situation but the Church is still the Church, complete with wheat and tares, side by side until Jesus returns at the End.
And there was a recent Eucharistic miracle in Connecticut where the Eucharistic minister didn't have enough Hosts, but continued to distribute Communion to a much larger number of people - It had been multiplied. The Vatican is investigating it.
the zeal of the convert is so often a wonderfull blessing to cradel catholics who may be doubting or luke warm in the faith God bless you Dr Ashenden
Thank you. I converted 20 years ago when I lived in Brighton. I had to get out of the anti-Christian ethos and crossed the channel where I have a huge church next to me with the Blessed Sacrement in.
What a truly heartening soul you are Dr Gavin Ashenden. May God bless you! As a RC I always enjoy your talks, but this one was the best yet by far!. May God TRULY bless you and your family and friends Sir.
Your clock is melodious and not at all irritating! Your talks are very interesting and informative.
This must of been a hard video to make. I've enjoyed your observations, reflections and presentations since you were on AU. Frankly, I've been impressed with many Anglican or former Anglican priests, canons, ministers that are on YT. Father Edward Meeks is an example, with a wonderful knowledge of scripture and clarity of presentation. God bless you.
Wonderful and so true! Thankyou from another ex-Anglican.
I was waiting for the chimes. I think they are very gentle and not at all obtrusive, don't know why people should object to hearing them. (Btw, does this mean all the clocks need to be wound manually - and regularly?)
I agree 🙏
Thank you for articulating so well why we are Catholic. I love the clocks chiming. The more the merrier
Thank you dr Ashenden,there is a mess but good Lord will clear his holy Church ,greeting from Hungary!
thank you so much for becoming a catholic Doctor. You give much fresh air to the church along with my good priest- of the ordinariate Fr Bernard and Fr David. I'm so happy you know the God in the Eucharist and defend the catholic faith in its fullest. May God bless ... Brendan and Tuyet
Gavin, this is just brilliant, your words are blessed surely.
Dear Dr Gavin, I love the sound of your clocks chiming..
For me the sound of the bells of St Peter's in Rome or St Paul's in London would be more in keeping with your wonderful sermons. { 'Summoned By Bells' John Betjeman }.😎
@@rick11960 oh I agree, but they’re a bit difficult to fit in your living room 😉I just love antique clocks and watches
@@applin121 😊👍
As an ex Anglican who became a Catholic in 1958 (now aged 89), I think the anglican church has never been honest about the 39 Articles when pretending to be near Catholicism. So called ecumenism has never been carried out by Catholics the way laid down in the Vatican II documents. All this has caused a thick fog in understanding on both sides of the divide. Well done by putting the case so well. I am a Discalced Carmelite Secular …..OCDS. +
Very enlightening to my faith. You made my faith whole again. Thank you sir. This video is a must see and listen to.
Thank you so mischievous for your sharing, I grew up Anglican, converted 50 years ago to the Catholic Church, which for me the reality of the sacraments
Gavin, very powerful testimony.
May our Lord overwhelm you with His consolation in sharing the truth of the matter .....for those who have ears, may they hear
God Bless you Dr. G. The bark of Peter needs people like you...
Pray for the conversion of worldly clergy and the protection of those priests and catholics who teach properly and protect the deposit of faith.
Barque.
You're the person that needs a conversion.
What a beautiful witness. Thank you Gavin.
17:50 Anglicans do conduct exorcisms though. My cathedral just had a conference on it, and the ACNA has the Order of St. Michael, which is the provincial deliverance ministry. Rev. George Conger from Anglican Ink just took a class on exorcisms in the Vatican, taught by Roman Catholic exorcists, and I think he is going to be the diocesan exorcist in Central Florida.
I give Conger credit for his efforts. I just watched Anglican unscripted and he's still working on trying to get some more training in a nearby diocese, I hope he gets what he needs.
The Anglican ministers did lots of good around the world, it's helpful then to see them as their own construction, which can and did do many good things, with God's help.
It was C.S. Lewis who was responsible for my conversion from atheist to Christian. I loved the idea of being “mere Christian “ and llike many others I pray the Rosary and also many other Catholic prayers.
I am dismayed at the positions of both Anglicanism and Catholicism regarding politicizing the faith and wait to see how it’s dealt with.
And Lewis remained an Anglican.
@@thomascicero128 Lewis was from Northern Ireland!
Time to become a 'mere Catholic'.
I was a practicing 'Anglo-Catholic' for 30 years, I now realise I kidded myself all that time. Crossed the Tiber 10 years ago, thank God. I also thank Him for the Eastern Rite Church and the SSPX.
Wonderful talk, thank you!
Thank you for such clarity I became a Catholic when my son a Baptised from birth Catholic was a teenager and he brought me back to the Lord he is 47 now. I am still a Faithful Catholic Dad was a Protestant but sent me to a Servite Convent as a child and learnt Latin and the Catholic Faith. You have confirmed so much for me. I pray for unity and the Truth for everyone God Bless you we need to be under Authority
T.hANK YOU ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. PRAY.more WILL follow GOD BLESS
Wonderful, thank you for your insight Gavin and thank you for bringing our minds to Our Lady, May being her month. I observe that every nation that has rejected Our Blessed Mother, has lost it's faith. Daughter to the Father, mother to the Son, spouse to the Holy Spirit, please intercede for us. +
Blessings and appreciation from Australia Gavin.
Gavin, I understand that having swum the Tiber you have all the zeal of the convert and though I agree with you that the days of the Church of England (not the Anglican Communion) are numbered, I think it's a mistake labelling Anglo-Catholics as 'Trans-Catholic'. After all that's the sort remark any member of the Eastern Orthodox Church could, if he were so inclined, apply to the Roman Catholic Church, accusing it of having a nostalgia for the Church of the Apostles, a Church more closely represented by the Eastern Orthodox Church. As an Anglo-Catholic (well until a few months ago), the idea of swimming the Tiber only to arrive on the banks of the Stour is not something that appeals to me. I see in Pope Francis a wannabe Anglican.
On another point, I recall watching a lecture by Bishop Robert Baron on transubstantiation; he mentioned that a survey of Roman Catholics revealed that most Catholics (at least in the USA) do not believe in that doctrine. As for me, I believe in the real presence - how that happens is a mystery, but again, like the Eastern Orthodox, that's what I believe and it's enough.
You might well lose a few friends Gavin, but I continue to value your talks even when I might not agree fully with what you say.
Perhaps Eastern Catholic is a good option then? If there are any in your area of course
@@MidnightIsolde Unfortunately there aren't. I live in a semi rural area in the Peak District of Derbyshire so I'm a bit stuck.
AMEN, GOD BLESS YOU
It was less of a shock for me to discover that Catholicism is true than it had been to discover that God Truly IS and that Christianity is true.
Interestingly, I found the truth of Catholicism through a solitary reading of the Bible (Latin Vulgate).
One single ad hoc prayer of exorcism can be made even without the particular Authority, but that is a rare exception to the norm -- and it has, besides, been authoritatively established as an exception. But no formal excommunication rites can be attempted without it, outside of some rare emergencies, and even then only by a validly ordained priest.
This was helpful to me as EO as I didn’t know Anglicans weren’t actually liturgically ordained for 3-400 years. Orthodox do not accept Anglican orders and do not have the forensic legalistic take on Apostolicity as the Roman Catholics. But it’s easy to try and make allies of Anglo-Catholics in apostolic terms when such doesn’t exist. (I’m not talking here of faithful commitment.) Merely not acceding to the claims of the pope’s person doesn’t, of course, make common cause. Evidence of that “ecclesial sacramental nostalgia” was on display in a local A-C parish, already dwindled, when it ruptured due to the leadership wish to become Orthodox and the rest wishing to remain…what, exactly, was the issue. But worldly identity seemed to be at the heart. The group of A-C’s entering into communion recently seem eager, first, for a fullness of faith in Christ. One hopes that not becoming Roman doesn’t mean bringing along Protestant baggage of anti-papalism. Orthodoxy doesn’t define itself in those terms since it’s pre-papalist. The magesterium is held throughout the Church in the Apostles, Fathers, Councils, liturgy & offices, sense of the faithful, and in the person of the bishop. Its to be wished that a Primus sums up this common life in his exercise of office. It’s a positive identity that sees in late papal claims a reduction and narrowing and personalizing of that held in the Spirit by the whole Church. As for Eucharistic miracles, any time the grace of God is wielded as some kind of proof for a camp, we’ve stepped outside the biblical & apostolic witness for signs. Miracles are relatively easy to come by, and must always be interpreted as a call to repentance. Icons tend to weep, not wave flags. And if the hidden reality of Our Lord is being made manifest on patens & in chalices, well may the faithful rejoice. After a visit to the confessional.
LOL, what!?
The Anglo-Catholics under the APA (Anglican Province of America) have Bishops with proven Apostolic succession. Anglo-Catholics are not to be confused with Episcopalian or Modern Anglicans
Thank you. Our ancestors in England were forced and compelled into schism by a tyrant whose care was forcthe Tudor dynasty. He destroyed to get hos lustful way. You have spoken well Gavin and may God open the ears and hearts of the British
His care was to prevent another civil war in England
Roll eyes.
There are books published that show how much more complicated it was. Gavin knows this. Take up and read.
Thank you so much for your insights on the problems of being an “anglocatholic as I called myself”. As an Anglican female priest I was dissolutioned by the liberalism of the Anglican Church back then, gave up my “orders” and was received into the Catholic Church. I loved it, but over the years I began to feel my priestly calling returning. There has been no ordaining of females over the years so I returned to the Anglican Church, and was able to take up my orders again as a retired priest. Now with the woke movement and the increasing liberalism in the Anglican Church in Canada, I am again thinking of returning to the Catholic Church. To where shall I go.? Only Jesus has the words of eternal life and the true sacraments.
Perhaps as a female religious?
Thank you for such a moving and perceptive response.
May the Lord bless you and keep you! 🙏 Please come home. The Church needs your passion so that it can be spread among the faithful.
Jesus wants you in the Catholic Church he established. God bless.
Hello....it must be a difficult struggle. Our desires can be SO strong. Can l suggest something
....when you were learning about and a practicing Catholic did you hear about 'offering' our suffering to Jesus for His purposes, salvation of others and other reasons? It's an old practice, but not often done...by me either!! If you haven't yet, l'd suggest you offer struggle to Him for those who are also questioning, struggling (even for those are fighting turning to God) or whatever you and He wants you. (These are ideas/ suggestions...you work it). He WILL honour it, He may answer your question quickly, maybe not. Regardless He will use it for good. He will lead you were He wants you! Blessings
Thank you Gavin!!
Thank you, I find your videos and perspective so interesting. But, the videos have recently been monetized, with ads playing frequently throughout. Although I want to provide support to the channel in any way I can, I find the ads very disruptive to the flow of the video. Would it be possible go without the ads? I apologize if this is rude to ask.
Most charming and beautiful sound those chiming clocks
I have been hanging on every word of this masterly commentary. It gives me the assurance and the encouragement of the Holy Spirit to continue in my wish to be received (back) into the Roman Catholic Church, into which I was first baptised. Thank you Dr Gavin.
Very well-stated Dr. Ashenden. You would make an excellent Catholic priest (or Bishop?). The Church could use you.
Thank you Gavin
This man is humble. Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth.
Sorry to disappoint, but there was an Anglican Eucharistic miracle five years ago in the US.
The one at Corpus Christi Church in Rogers, AK?
I bet it wasn't transubstantiation....
Very true, God would have liked to accede to your polite request, but Transsubstantion can only be performed by Catholic or Orthodox properly ordained ministers.
Oops, transsubstantiation.
The major issue is really the doctrinal statement in their Articles positively denying the Real Presence of Christ in Holy Eucharist -- instead supposing that their "eucharist" is merely symbolic -- because without valid Eucharist, the only other Sacraments possible are Baptism and Matrimony, neither of which are directly dependent on Eucharist. But there is no Sacrament of Holy Orders except through the Eucharist, so that the Anglican "bishops" simply cannot confer that Sacrament upon anyone. ergo, the Anglicans have no valid Orders.
Undoubtedly, many Anglicans have good or even wonderful Christian Faith, including among their clergymen ; but Faith alone does not provide Sacramental validity.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I feel Anglo Catholics want the frills and thrills but don’t feel obliged fully to accept the authority of their church.
I think it is also a matter of wanting the appearance but not being willing to pay the price for the substance.
Precisely.
Thanks Diedre.
A valid point about attempting to have the cake, and eat it as well.
Why do you "feel" that way?
Yep the Angicans were not Ordained to offer a Sacrifice on purpose since that was the novel idea of the reformation. They purposly rejected the sacrifice of the mass.
LOL! Get thee to a library!
@@thomascicero128 I did and I checked out a little book written by Henry the 8th called defence of the 7 Sacraments against Martin Luther and I checked out Defense of the Priesthood by St Bishop John Fisher. They both defend the Mass as a sacrifice and transubstatiation. Which Martin Luther attacked. Later after Henry Broke from the church the reformation came into England full force and under King Edward they rewrote the ordination rite stripping away any reference to the .mass as a sacrifice intentionally .
I converted 30 plus years ago.
Thank you Dr. Ashenden for your clear explanations of the difference between CofE and RC. Some men/women feel to be English you have to be C of E! We need people like you to speak out in England, just like they have Dr. Taylor Marshall and Mr. Michael Matt in America for the One True Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. 🎉.
"As they come back to the church they heal my wounds." from the Divine Mercy novena given by Jesus to St. Faustyna, recorded in her Diary.
I am a cradle Roman Catholic I have a soft spot for Anglicans who want to come home and right the wrongs of Henry the 8th.
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There is a display of approved Eucharistic miracles, put together by Blessed Carlo Acutis and at the Vatican, is now traveling about the world, it was just in New York. There were about 100 of them described.
I believe Newman and Pusey had similar conversations to this. Newman himself never wore Catholic vestments as an Anglican and continued to celebrate the Eucharist at the north end of the communion table. The Tractarians didn't promote adopting Catholic ritual, it was those who came after. The Tractarians were concerned that, due to changes in state laws which came about in the 1850s, men who were not Anglican would be in the government hence have jurisdiction in the affairs of the Church of England. They considered this the heresy of Erastianism.
I wrote my undergraduate dissertation on this subject but it was a long time ago. My conclusion was that moving in a more Catholic direction was inevitable because the Church of England had retained a Catholic liturgy (lex orandi, lex credendi) and that the decoration of churches and clergy that came about as part of the catholic revival reflected English middle class domestic norms. (There was no middle class prior to the Industrial Revolution).
Thank you.
Hence the Continuum.
Excellent analogy
Unequivocal. Clear. Well said Gavin. The Church of England has very holy people but it is not the church founded by Jesus.
A priest once said that John 6:67 is one of the saddest verses in scripture. This is why Protestants belong to those who 'walked no more with Him'; they have some stolen books and letters and some of them deign to bother with baptism and 'no more'. Kyrie eleison.
After all the disgustung abused of the Roman church you do get desperate attempts to malign protestant belier
Evil men forfeit their own being. Regarding John chapter 6. The infidel insists on interrogating God - verse 53; and then hardening his heart - verse 61. Our Lord asks, "Doth this scandalize you?" (John 6:62). There is a reason the Real Presence is called the 'wonderful and hidden Sacrament which only the Faithful of Christ know.' St Peter, pray for us.
Could listen to you all day. Am curious on your thoughts as regards to the Sedevacantist. No rush, of course.
Another point to be made about Cranmer is that he committed himself to the position that the Sacrifice of the Mass was an idolatrous and blasphemous rite. It follows that he should have judged himself and every other bishop in the land never to have received anything of Christ's when ordained to the substance, and then the fullness, of the sacrificing priesthood; but that they had for generations been made nothing but ministers of idolatry.
So, on a Protestant view, the claim of the Church of England to have preserved the Christian episcopate is internally inconsistent.
St. Hildegard von Bingen apparently said the churches of Russia, China, and England would be restored to union with the True Church in the end times 🙏
Wonderful Title!
The Anglican theology is so all over it's fascinating, to see it as an ecumenical (of different Protestant ideas) experiment is very nice.
What?
I agree with your criticism of the idea of anglicanism as a coherent single church but there are also a number of errors / misrepresentations here:
1. many (though not most) anglicans would say that yes the bread and wine does become the body and blood, so its something of a misrepresentation to say they "anglicans" do not.
2. more generally, you're using the views of evangelical anglicans as representative of anglicanism as a whole (and even more oddly doing so in order to criticise anglo-catholicism - e.g. criticism for using the word "priest" in a parish setting, absolutely you would have parishes where that is an issue but equally you would have parishes where not doing would be an issue). If you want to criticise the views of anglo-catholics, then engage with their actual views and respond to those rather than obfuscating.
3. you can't deal with the question of Anglican orders without dealing with the Dutch touch, even if anglo-catholic orders were invalid at the time of Apostolicae Curae, it doesn't necessarily follow that they are invalid now (though they may well be), but again you have to engage with the arguments they actually make rather than ignore them.
Anglican bishops were ordained by bishops of the Independent Philipino Church, whose orders I understand were valid. How does this fit into points about apostolic succession?
Based on what Ashenden says about the invalidity of Anglican orders, the same could be said of the I validity of Roman orders. I could find the specifics for you.
@@andrewnotere6033 Okay
@@FruityFruitbat The Anglican encyclical, Saepius Officio, written by theArchbishops of Canterbury and York in response to the encyclical of Leo XIII, stated that if ordinations of Anglican priests and bishops were invalid, by the same measure, so must Catholic ordinations. Why? Because under Queen Mary Tudor, many priests who were ordained during the monarchy of Edward Vl, were not reordained , but only anointed by Mary’s bishops.
I'm having an awful time, Anglicanism turned out to be too broad in scope, it's only chance at fixing that issue is with the 39 Articles, and I have a far harder time accepting some of them than any of the dogmas of Rome. However, Rome, especially in my little enclave, is a liturgical wasteland of modernism, little beautiful architecture, etc... making it difficult for an aesthete like myself to embrace Catholicism while intellectually knowing it's truth. I realize doctrine is more important than liturgical* purity, but I wince at the altar girls and 'extraordinary minsters' of communion, the terrible hymns, etc.. and pine for deeper, more esteemed liturgy, and the Anglo-Catholics do that well.
SSP, SSPX, Ordinariate....totally agree.
Don't forget Eastern Catholicism!
Can you access a Traditional Latin Mass? There are many places in the UK where it is celebrated.
I agree with you - I too wince at the altar girls (a dreadful mistake)- I avoid the awfulness of eucharistic ministers and present myself only to the priest- and miss the beautiful hymns and singing. But I found that worse than all that was the pretence that the Anglican ministers had the power and authority and capacity to change the elements. In the end it was Jesus, or nothing. So I pay the price of the altar girls, the silly E-M's and the lack of music to receive Jesus in the Mass.
@@DrGAshenden Forgive me, Gavin, but that makes no sense whatsoever. *Can you not see* that this is The Episcopal Church happening all over again!? Do you really think that just because it is the Church of Rome that it will somehow escape the corrosive influences that have destroyed TEC?
I was an Anglo Catholic who became Roman. We had very Catholic beliefs. We believed in literal presence . I’ve always felt somehow there was something more at Episcopal services than in other Protestant services. Perhaps I’m mistaken. But we have many priests now who left the Roman church and reportedly some Episcopal priests ordained with Orthodox orders…
Love the ⏰️ clocks!
Thank you.
15:42 Anglicans and Lutherans do not believe the Eucharist is "blessed bread", we believe that Christ is truly present in the Eucharist along with the Bread and the Wine. In other words, we correctly believe that when the Eucharist is consecrated, Christ becomes present, but the bread and wine do not cease to be present.
Agreed
I see I'm not alone in awaiting the chimes of your clock 😅 If I've timed them correctly, they go off on the quarter hour, and are more elaborate on the top of the hour. I figured you use them to time yourself as you present your talks, beginning after the final note of a quarter hour chime, then usually wrapping up after the next quarter hour chime. As the kids say, "I would totally do that."
Well Stated
The Church can't make a decision about Garabandal yet because it isn't over. Padre Pio believed in it and so did Mother Teresa. It's an important topic to investigate since it has information about the end times.
Dear Doctor Ashenden I hope that you may have time to watch some of the converts in the US - Scott Hahn, Trent Horn, Jeff Cavins and others. And please if you get the chance try to drag young Calvin Robinson into the Catholic fold too - he is SO near and like you anti woke this is his proper home :)
Do look out for my conversation on the podcast Merely Catholic with Scott Hahn.
I believe we have to pray for Bishops and Priests in the Catholic faith.. we need priests infused with the Holy Spirit .. a renewing of the Faith .. we need to go to adoration in the Church .. the tabernacle.. and adore his Holy face .. there is so much power in prayer .. especially before Him in Adoration…
The problem for me with Catholicism is the emphasis on tradition as carrying equal weight with the Bible. I don’t see anything in the Bible, for instance, about Mary having been born without sin. In fact, the actual biblical record has no special emphasis on Mary except for her very important role as the mother of Jesus. To respect her is one thing, to venerate her another. Nor do I see anything in the establishment of communion to substantiate the belief in transubstantiation. Obviously the Eucharist is a sacrament. Obviously it is extremely meaningful. It disturbs me that Catholics refuse communion to baptized Christians who are following the Lord Jesus Christ. It divides Christians, and that is wrong.
as a new believer, its been 6 months or so since the Holy spirit found me and changed my life, but i knew nothing about serious religion, other than the sunday school stuff, so ive been on fire trying to work out where i belong, and to be honest after weeks and weeks of constant researching, i am fed up with the Church, if they arent fighting each other, then they are losing thier way, going into heresy, like the C of E, or doing word gymnastics in the Bible, to make things fit what they want to believe, like the perpetual virginity of Mary, when the Bible clearly shows she wasnt, and had other children. With things like that, you just think "what is going on"... Faith in our lord Jesus is easy, compared to working out which church you can trust. All i know is what i believe, i believe in the trinity, Jesus fully man, fully God, i believe we should honour Mary, she is the mother of Jesus after all, and what with the sighting of Mary, like that thing in 1961 in spain i think, there is something very Holy about Mary, even though she is a creature of God... and i believe we should honour the saints, who without people like St Peter, Christianity wouldnt have spread and changed the world forever, and i pray the rosary.. i sound like a catholic, so why does the body of the church, put me off.... so complicated and its left me so confused 😕 the church can actually put you off being religious. The church should be there for everyone, not just the people with PHDs in theology, ancient languages, and philosophy, before you can work out what is going on..
One Holy Catholic Apostolic Church
Catholic, but not Roman.
@@tonyoliver2750 well the catholic church does not itself use the term Roman Catholic to label itself as far as I'm aware. It's mainly a label used in the UK, but not the official name
@@MidnightIsolde It certainly does where I live; it's on the church gates.
@@tonyoliver2750 Roman is only the Catholic Church in the West. There are other Catholic Churches in full communion. with the Pope which aren't Roman, such as the Maronites, Melkites, Uniates in Romania, Ukraine or Ruthenia, the Syriac Church, Chaldean etc...which are not Roman.
@@ramontrillo5722 But the Pope is the Bishop of Rome is he not?
Be Blessed!😊
Calvin Robinson needs to watch this video. He has some ecclesiology he still needs to sort out
I would not be surprised if he eventually joins the Ordinariate. I know he's said on Pints with Aquinas that they won't accept him yet as he's too politically controversial. But tbh they do have a point to a certain degree - I think he can get a bit too involved in political topics at times, can be a bit edgy, and this detracts slightly from his genuine religiosity. He's absolutely correct in what he says in a lot of things, but I think he needs to keep his gaze firmly on the Lord Jesus Christ, and not too caught up in socio-cultural conservative politics.
@@MidnightIsolde This is a time when his strong voice is required, though, especially in his country. Rev. Robinson is a leading warrior in the culture war. St. Paul described how the Holy Spirit endows different people with unique gifts of the spirit. Not every religious person is intended to be tucked away in a monastery. It's pretty clear that Calvin's mission is to conduct a public anti-woke ministry.
@@MidnightIsolde I agree... Perhaps, I am wrong, but that's why I say that he needs to sort out his ecclesiology. He is making the same arguments that some protestant make, and Gavin masterfully addressed here... Personally, I think this video was directed to Calvin.
"The one fold of the Redeemer".(JH Newman).
18:25. Fr. Chad Ripperger has spoken much about authority and particularly so in his exorcism ministry.
There are 2 lungs in our body, but there are 7 churches in Revelations. Historically, the apostles words outweigh our comparisons.
Could you do a video explaining why all or most of the 39 Articles of Anglicanism are ridiculous? Thanks.
At a meeting of Catholic and Anglicans to discuss our beliefs, I stated that Catholics believe that the bread and wine actually become the body and blood of The Lord, and asked if Anglicans believe the same. A leading Anglican replied " No Hugh I can assure you that Anglicans do not believe this." However an Anglican woman replied " I could believe that".
In The Anglican service the words " May this become the body and blood of Christ for you" are used. So I wonder that if the communicant had enough faith could this perhaps happen?. Or say three baptised Christians prayed to God and asked for this to occour, could it?
Thank you ,
There is a lot in this video, some of it insightful, some of it curious.
Dr. G says the power to consecrate the elements come from the Pope, yet the Eastern Churches are recognized as having this power and they consciously reject it is from the Pope, but from apostolic succession. There is nothing in principle against Anglican priests having this power: the discussion comes down to a technicality in the ordination of Matthew Parker and a misreading of the BCP by the Papal commission behind Apostolicae Curae. It should be noted that even if AC is correct, most of the CoE ordinations would have had apostolic succession reinjected by the presence of Old Catholic bishops at various ordinations through the 20th century.
It is quite possible to believe in a true consecration of the elements into Christ's Body and Blood without holding to Transubstantiation. As proof: everyone prior to the development of TSS who held to physical presence. Again, Easterns don't hold to TSS, but no-one doubts they hold that the consecrated bread is the Body of Christ.
There is a lot of discussion of "nostalgia". Maybe there is some of that about, but to me, it seems the Oxford movement theologians were wrestling with the ancient and mediaeval sources and coming to a _positive_ view about Sacramentology, vestments, etc. They weren't being "nostalgic" any more than Dr. G himself is by imitating ancient Christianity.
The question of acceptance of Anglican orders by the Pope isn't so much that they want big daddy's approval, it's out of their view of catholicity which views the apostolic branches as equal participants in Christianity. Therefore, for a sect of that family to disinvite them to the table is a breach in the family, from their view. I don't know why they fought this out after Apostolicae Curae and then wrecked their orders again by ordaining priestesses and female "bishops" but that is a different problem.
I don't maintain the authority to consecrate the Holy Eucharist comes from the pope. It clearly derives from the Apostolic Succession that was only fragmented in 1054. It would be very ignorant to read back retrospectively from the schism and I certainly don't do so. The only difference between the sacramental theology between East and West is that the East does not use the scholastic language of Aristotelianism in order to attempt the impossible which is to describe the means of the miraculous change. The Commission that produced Apostolicae Curae did not misread Parker's consecration. Amongst other observations they took into account that in 1662, a hundred years later the words of the ordination service were changed to remedy a perceived defect. en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_(1913)/Apostolicae_Curae It needs to be acknowledged that it is not just the Western Patriarch that rejects the validity of Anglican orders, so too do all the Eastern Patriarchates. You suggest that ordination of women is a different issue; in one sense it is, but in another sense it reflects the same original unwillingness to accept Apostolic authority and the settled mind of the historic Church the Protestantism embodies, and from which its subsequent multiple fractures derive.
Why? Because there is only One Holy Catholic Church, established by Our Lord under the authority of Peter. You can't be a member of God's Church if you are not submitted to Peter. "You are Peter, and upon this Rock I will build my Church."
Oh dear. "For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them" Matthew 18:20. No mention of Simon Peter there.
@@tonyoliver2750 that applies to those who belong to the one true Church of Jesus Christ
@@roybhasker So what you seem to be saying is that Matthew 18:20 is not true - which is an astonishing thing to say. There is no modifying clause in Matthew 18:20. So tell me, what is the one true Church of Jesus Christ? Bear in mind that when Jesus spoke there was no Church in Rome and no Pontificate.
@@tonyoliver2750 So you take one true statement from Our Lord and decide to reject another true statement from Our Lord. That make NO sense at all. You don't get to decide which of Our Lord's statements you are going to accept and reject.
@@tonyoliver2750 Your comments are getting more ridiculous as you proceed. Of course there was no Church in Rome at the time Our Lord made the statement to Peter - because Peter was RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! It was only after Our Lord died and rose that Peter went to Rome. Please start using some logic!
There's mischief afoot. Contributions are randomly or not so randomly disappearing, despite being on topic and polite.
That's interesting. I wonder who and why?
@@DrGAshenden I'm not sure Gavin, but I assume it's YT playing games. The Stasi would enter the rooms of those with whom it disagreed, while the occupant was at work. They would rearrange the furniture and the content of drawers, signalling their displeasure without confrontation or reason, until the individual desisted or went mad. Perhaps it's the on-line equivalent, letting some posts pass while equally apposite and inoffensive posts never appear?
Most of your argument presupposes that the acceptance of the doctrine of transubstantiation is necessary in order to have a valid ordination. Although Anglicans don't accept transubstantiation, we accept the real presence of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. If you are going to say that the Anglican Church had to hold to transubstantiation in order for its orders to be valid, then by that logic the Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Orders are invalid, as well as the first 1000 years of Holy Orders in the Church as there wasn't a dogmatic understanding of Transubstantiation being held.
I don't think your critique is quite right. Transubstantiation is on a (Scholastic) way of trying to describe what happens. It can only tell part of the truth from one philosophical angle. The Eastern Church believes exactly the same as the Catholic Church. blogs.ancientfaith.com/orthodoxyandheterodoxy/2013/08/14/the-doctrine-of-transubstantiation-in-the-orthodox-church/
But the Protestant Church denies the sacrifice (as it offends the notion of time and space that Enlightenment birthed religions are created out of) and replaces it with a vague notion of so-called 'real presence' whatever that is. Transubstantiation is a useful theological way of not buying into the Lutheran/Anglican vagueness of the way in which the phrase real presence is used by sacramentically nostalgic Protestants. Accompanied by the signs of Eucharistic miracles is becomes clear that the Catholic Church is doing something objectively miraculous during the Mass (through the Holy Spirit) , while the Anglican Church is engaging in a subjectively sanctified remembering. This is all well and good. Until you want Jesus in the Mass in a more (trans)substantial way. For that you have to have the Catholic (or Orthodox) Mass. All of this is reflects in the intention and prayers of the different liturgies. If Anglicans want the sacrifice of the Mass, and the miracle of changed elements, since their ordination and communion liturgies set out to do something else, one has to become a Catholic.
@@DrGAshenden You are right to name enlightenment materialism as the source of confusion. It has deeply embedded assumptions about the nature of reality, that trap Christians in circular reasoning. One of the Brothers who taught our tough crowd, was challenged on the nature of the Eucharist by a scientifically minded boy. He asked what an autopsy on someone who had recently received communion, would find in their stomach. The priest answered that chemical analysis would find bread. The boy had hoped to trap the brother in magical thinking, or an alchemical transformation of some kind. The dichotomy isn't confined to precocious schoolboys, protestant churches engage in the same mental gymnastics and unable to square matter with spirit, opt for symbolic explanations. This is not to deny that Eucharistic miracles occur, but their occurrence reminds us matter is not exhaustive even when it is the earthly norm. Time and space are transcended in the mass.
Boom.
Such a nuanced and intelligent apologetic, while honest with his Anglican friends, however, the tradition of the Church has not been freedom of religion (free will, yes), therefore, I would not say that it is ‘acceptable’ to continue outside the Church in a schismatic ‘church.’
That argument gets used against you too. Many Orthodox believe Rome is in schism. I’m afraid you are both wrong.
@@ntlearning Yes, but according to the Law of Contradiction only one can be right!
one slight correction; Christ is in the Host in Orthodox Holy Liturgies
Orthodox and Russian Orthodox have never altered the Ordination Rites. They ordain a Sacrificial Priesthood. They have Apostolic Succession - though they are in Schism from the RC Church. They do indeed have valid Sacraments - they retained the original form and intention of the Traditional Latin Rite Church.🙂