Has Russia’s War Doomed The International Space Station?
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There is a great line in the movie 2010. A Soviet scientist is talking to Floyd (an American scientist) and when Floyd mentions the fictional political crisis taking place in the film the scientist says, "Our governments are enemies. We are not."
That is something I think we should keep in mind here.
True, but it is the governments which pay the scientists
I love that movie! I wish there was an alien intelligence to send a message to Earth for the governments to stop messing around!
Title like this "Has Putin Doomed The International Space Station?
" really tells what the mindset and mentality of the sole military superpower of the entire universe are.
Soon Marc Rubio would blame Vladimir Putin for Marc's wife " 'seeing' every man in town" except for Marc Rubio.
and that is the reason Werner Von Braun so easily slid into place working for the US government after WWII. Scientists are like artists...they HAVE to do it...It is genetically imprinted in them. The best of them would do it for nothing given that they were supplied with all the equipment (toys) they needed to follow their passion.
@@lexneuron da fuq
The ISS for me was like the moon, just something I took for granted as it floated above me my entire life.
It will be sad day when we lose it.
Why don’t they move the iss to the moon?
Bullshit
@@803Danny because they cant it is impossible
@@803Danny It's not possible. The thrusters on the station aren't powerful enough and don't have the fuel to get it to the moon. And it certainly can't land there.
@@803Danny why would they even do that???
10:30 is NOT clear “based on their new uniforms” that Russian astronauts disapprove of the war. We don’t know what their opinions on the war are, but both the Russian astronauts and the American astronauts who spent time with them have clarified that the Russian astronauts were very surprised by that interpretation of the color of their uniforms. (The colors were the colors of a school they attended together. Presumably the uniforms were manufactured prior to the war, as well.)
Yes, exactly. This video is full of fake news propaganda.
Russian astronauts are people who are among the military. There is no doubt about their mentality, they most likely support the military operation in Ukraine.
not school, but University - Moscow State Technical University. colors of it's emblem are yellow and blue. MSTU is also know on the West as "rocket school".
guys, I work for Roscosmos partially, and I want the war to end and international cooperation to continue
Go to the ISS live here on UA-cam. Wait until they show you the crew, along with their respective flags. The cosmonauts chose to replace the Russian flag with the Ukrainian flag.
I remember stargazing and bringing friends out to see C/2020 F3 (NEOWISE) and we saw a bright dot in the sky traveling at an insane speed. I had a phone app to show what things were in the night sky and the dot matched perfectly with the international space station. We watched it fly over us until it vanished in the dark side of the earth. It was magical that a football field sized dot was placed there by humans.
In what seems like an eternity ago I worked on the ISS flight software at the Sonny Carter Training Facility adjacent to Ellington Field in Houston. I have no way of knowing whether the lines of code I wrote still fly in the ISS or whether upgrades have been made at some time. The first piece of the station to be launched was Russian. Right after the launch the Russians set up tables of food and drink on the large patio just outside the front door of SCTF and everybody was invited. I'm glad I had at least a minor role in the creation of the ISS and will find its final demise rather sad.
Awesome piece of history, thank you for telling it.
Thanks for sharing. Russians want to collaborate too, just they believe we don't want to otherwise we would be having more of those tables of food and drink all together, all nations. Just one person is making us shoot at each other. We have got go get our shit together, humanity. I'm Canadian and I visited Ukraine this past week. Yeah Putin and the brainwashed Russians are responsible for their actions. We are responsible for our inaction. We are all patting ourselves in our backs for all the help we've given Ukraine but I have heard the impartial experts say we are not helping Ukraine nearly enough. Ukraine's pain is our pain because we are all humanity. We all eat and sleep, laugh and cry, love and hate but we can't let our hate turn into these battle actions - we have to process the subconscious mind fueling hate and soothe it so it understands that we don't need or want hate, we want love and cooperation. The ISS represents that.
Pretty Cool 😎✌️
I think Elon Musk could use his Spce-X rocket pushing ISS deeper into space.
Well from what I've seen, it takes a whole lot of work (like an entirely unreasonable amount of work) to change any software, policy, or procedure in place on the ISS. So for what it's worth, I'd honestly say that it's highly likely that your code is still in place. Stand proud, you've touched outer space!
I know it would be almost impossible without the space shuttle’s, but it would be truly amazing if we could bring it back piece by piece and reconstruct it on earth
Star Ship dude
@@Julian-zh1nj lol
I wonder if it's just cheaper to just remake the whole station from scratch.
Cheaper to build a replica
I am highly skeptical. I am not sure, but the space shuttle has always landed without a load. The idea was to carry stuff up, not down, so the procedure of landing the shuttle with a payload, even if physically possible, was probably never considered or trained for.
The issue with continued cooperation on the ISS isn't the space agencies. They would like to keep it going. It's that the arrangement isn't financially equal and effectively means the US is helping fund Russia's rocket industry. This is not a good look while the US is trying to tell Europe to stop funding Russia via oil. You can't simultaneously sanction Russia and also be buying the use of their space tech.
By the time it enters the atmosphere we may have a new modern ISS already ready
I unliterally studied the ISS for a year in 2016-2017, due to my fascination of it being the largest man-made satellite... and to learn to assemble such large thing in *'KERBAL Space Program'* .
Niice, I am currently building and working on a serviceable modular type in 'Space Engineers'
@@techtutorvideos that it exists
@@techtutorvideos that it's modular
@@techtutorvideos That the ISS can do a 540 degree backflip due to a faulty Russian module firing its rockets out of control (Nauka module, July 29, 2021), and then still recover with people on board. I am completely amazed and impressed that this was recoverable and the station did not have to be evacuated!
It's technically not a satellite because it is not in a indefinite non-parabolic orbit.
10:22, the uniform change has nothing to do with the cosmonauts' position on the war. The three of them are alumni of a university who's colors are blue and yellow. Also, the uniform was selected 4 months prior to the war. They were blindsided by the questions.
But the propaganda had to try to use that, and even push for regime change. Sad state of propaganda.
Consider that they would have changed that uniform, if they were supporters of the war in Ukraine.
No propagandist in their right mind would allow this to happen.
@@tempo5366 Just goes to show that not everyone goes mental and starts banning culture of another country and letters of a latin alphabet.
Thanks for info!
Author of this video is cleary influenced by heavy mindless anti Russian propaganda.
He probably does not use letter Z anymore ;)
Yes, and the blue is very little
3:30. Did you just call NASA North American Space Agency? Bruh...
I always hoped the ISS might end up like in The Valoren, where we just kept adding onto the ISS and it evolved into a city in space.
As a scientist, I can safely say the ISS has always been an inspiration - a miracle of engineering, frontier hardiness and cutting edge science. I hope that it will still be up there for many years more
what field do you work in?
@@mastershooter64 Marine and Freshwater Conservation Science, I'm more focused on resource recirculation by interest, but I have worked both in the tropics on coral reefs and in a Covid PCR lab (biomed was a little outside my field but they needed help and I was happy to do it. Honesty it was probably one of the more dramatic and fun jobs I've done with 12 hour shifts and hundreds of employees. We probably could've written a half-decent slice-of-life comedy based on the events in there).
My next ambition is Antarctica for a year or two and see where I go from there, perhaps join a more formal waste-processing and repurposement program so I can dig deeper into it, had a lot of great after work conversations with a guy from Bhutan who studied waste water treatment.
With that said, my apologies fir the length of the reply, my field is a rather broad and messy one, but that just means I've got plenty of work
@@DevNicholson Still more cooperation between more partners than every other space program in all of history. Things could always be better sure, but let's not complain too much about the longest and broadest act of cooperation in space so far.
fax same
@@widget3672 man keep it up! We need people like you contributing to all these sciences and waste water treatment - sounds like meaningful work 👍💪
Minor ish point - the cracks we're most worried about are in the Service Module (Zvezda) docking transfer tunnel, not the FGB (Zarya)
Cracks are quite likely to be a hazard for air leakage but have not posed a risk of catastrophic failure through multiple firings to move the station so the continuous , weak ion thrust should not be a risk.
But that's on the 🇷🇺 segment, not on the International/🇺🇲 segment...
@@notapplicable2636 my point is that the video incorrectly stated there are (noteworthy) cracks in the FGB (Zarya) when the cracks are actually in a different module. Not a huge fault, but I thought it warranted correcting.
@@notapplicable2636 please clarify
@@patrickdeslaurier7157 IF 🇷🇺 was to book it and separate from the US/ segment, I am certain that said segment could make up for maintaining altitude via thrusters on the Cygnus cargo vehicle when it is berthed to the underside (nadir/earth facing side of) the ISS like has been mentioned recently...
12:00 Brings a smile to my face seeing my school's name on a t-shirt orbiting the Earth :)
“I absolutely love the overview effect that astronauts experience when looking down upon our home, there are no borders or political boundaries visible, just sheer beauty of the home of one people who should instead look to transform and heal their home under their feet as one people rather than up into the infinite nothingness to explore as separate nations….” ~Albert Einstein~
@Missing Time
Another side effect of vaxxing
I’m sorry to inform you but Einstein died in 1955, 6 years before the first man mission into space
WTF? Einstein died years before Gagarin flew to space. I'm pretty sure he didn't say that.
@@Ignisan_66 good one! that is my favorite Marilyn Monroe quote!
I imagine the ISS going away in a simple story. It's like an old family home, built by once loving parents. Their children live happily and quaintly within it. But in it's later life, the parents had a falling out, perhaps a divorce, with one of them leaving in frustration. The home crumbles, if only slowly. And, although good friends have helped to keep it standing, there may come a time when it must come down. When that time comes, others may come to take this opportunity to build something of their own there, like a factory, shopping mall, hotel, etc.
The family still has hope for a continued future, but hope is fading, as is the world around them. The all may need to leave, but if they do, they will not forget the good times, and wherever they end up, they will make a better home for a better future, for them and their children.
No more like one parent was the abusive one and doing horrible things for his own selfish interests. And when the other parents called him out and tried to stop him from doing bad things, he threw a temper tantrum.
Democrats are worse than Putin|Russia. For 2 months, Russia outpaces their rate of destruction. But in the long run? A party at war 2:3 years? Hates the [idea] & majority of American citizens? Lethal stupidity.
@@f-86zoomer37 I guess. It's just a story I made up. Not really saying anything accurately.
@@f-86zoomer37 not "her" selfish interests?
That ain’t what a divorce does, champ.
Imagine how awkward it must have been to be in the ISS and learning of the Russian invasion while the Americans and Russians are working together.
Doesn’t have to be awkward, Russians don’t all like Putin so maybe it was just like “yikes”
Definitely an awkward work environment.
Imagine how awkward it must be _(unique and special ocf!)_ American - having nice free credits and watching on suffering peoples in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Yugoslavia, Syria and now Ukraine
it's all about dollars...
@@chiboreache no amount of dollars can help you when you are up in space
@@chiboreache americans complaining about other countries' human rights violations while ignoring their own
This was an excellent video and channel. I liked and subscribed. Being an ex-space industry worker I am still very much interested and follow space news. This taught me some things I did not know. Thank you very much. Kudos, and good job on your reporting.
Thank you for your work Brian! As always great video!
The ISS has existed for most of my life, i’m only two years older, i’ve always thought it’ll still be there for a long time, losing it wasn’t in my mind, would be a great loss for humanity if it’s decommission is advancing, i hope they can work something out that will benefit us all
I was in junior high (7th grade specifically) when the first modules started going up.
Yes, but it is kind of a financial decision. The thing is old, and it is a highly stressed structure. Those kind of things wear out and break. At some point the dudes paying the bills have to make it all balance out. Prescience in space for the sake of being there doesn't make much sense at orbital maintenance costs. It might be time to let it burn.
@@Jadefox32 did anyone ask?
As an oldie, Ii can remember Skylab being launched. That one didn't work out too well.
humanity? ISS doesn't represent the entire world.....
Another loss from the ISS ceasing operations is no more 24/7 live hd streaming from cameras on the station.
Man, I used to love seeing the planet rolling by in real time.
I remember when i was a kid i would watch the nasa channel on dish
Edit:im old
What a disaster. I can't stop crying about the loss of the ISS now. All from the actions of one deranged selfish man. I hope and I know Putin is dragged out onto the streets by his people and given due justice he deserves. He's a murderer and he holds back not only Russia, but all of humanity due to his selfishness and his ego. Dictators can't last long. He's having trouble even in Ukraine, and his economy has collapsed. So things are looking good. Remember 2 years is a long time. It's barely only been one month since the illegal invasion, and it's been very emotional and time has slowed down. In two years time, Ukraine will take back Crimea and Donbass, and be a proud EU member state and member of NATO. And the ISS will be orbiting the Earth at the operational altitude, with a new cooperative and friendly Russia as a main partner yet again. In the end, we will win.
I think those streams were just a single day on loop tbh.
@@Synky No they weren't.
@@Synky 🤡
You continue to do a marvelous job, Pink! I can’t imagine how UA-cam could’ve ever complain.
Excellent stuff bro
I remember when i was small and started using telescopes, seeing something floating in the night sky was an amazing event and unique.
now it seems you can't look anywhere without a piece of something floating across where you have your viewpoint and it's only a few minutes between seeing them.
It will only get worse I’m afraid
@@MnemonicHeadTrip space is pretty big. Dont worry. Im pretty sure space is like the biggest void of space in the history of space. More than trillions and trillions of lightyears of space
Those give you the ability to comment on this video in the first place
@@dewmontain123 But debris concentrates around Earth, so it's hard to see things from Earth.
@@dewmontain123 Space is big yes, but LEO is only slightly bigger than the earth's surface.
For me it’s not just about loosing presence in Orbit, but about the end of a truly pacifist international project.
It seems like mankind advances technologically, but what about ethically?
I think we are on a very wrong path!
You can only blame Putin for this.
@@jeshkam No, I blame our cultural development!
Nothing has improved since victorian times, the working poor and slaves have just been moved to other countries out of sight. States and industries develop technologies to benefit themselves, science does not benefit the people.
The US literally banned China from collaborating with the ISS, it was never about helping mankind.
@@Weromano Well, I blame Putin, and rightfully so.
You'd think a base on the moon would be more long term then more modules in orobit, but the moon has it's own dangers I suppose. Atleast on the moon steps can be taken to protect a station from micro meters and extreme temperature fluctuations.
Very informative, well presented and visually stunning video.
I always loved the ISS for the international cooperation it resembled. The astronauts up there still hold on to this Idea, they don't care where you from, but who you are.
Your videos are a true inspiration ❤️
Note that Russia Roscosmos (and specifically its chief Rogozin) has been threatening to destroy the ISS by removing their modules, or threatening to ban USA astronauts travel to the ISS on Soyuz since 2014, and tried to force USA astronauts to recognize Crimea as a part of Russia by forcing them to train there. The ISS has been a growing political problem for 8 years, but most people in the west didn't notice until a month ago.
That's something I think is called "the overview effect". Astronauts, Cosmonauts, and everyone who's seen Earth from high above loses connection to the petty world of politics, interests, pretending and conflicts, and get to see the Earth as one. That allows cooperation up there even during crisis.
@@fatitankeris6327 EXACTLY
@@fatitankeris6327 You don't have to see earth from space to be a decent human. Jesus christ.
@@andreksjour No you don't, but it is an effect being in there that somehow brings wider outlook that maybe most humans just don't realize when we are here in land with arbitary borders and politics in hand.
I think most of us are decent humans and wanted to be, but sadly we are also get driven by biases, ignorance, close-mindedness and even just being in narrow perspective because we never got a chance to be opened up in certain way.
We don't need to be in space to be decent humans, but how I wish that world leaders to be shoot to space and see humanity as a whole, if it will actually work on them or not remains to be seen. Some maybe don't have those capability to comprehend and maybe a lost cause.
Whatever comes after the ISS, I hope it at least has a module dedicated to creating spin gravity.
Edit: Also, NASA needs to be funded like a fundamental piece of the strategic and economic plan for the US and its partner countries, and not like a really expensive jobs program.
Hard agree with your edit. The idea of a commercially led, profit driven replacement for the ISS really bums me out.
@@jeffjeff376 Space is big. There's plenty of room for both. Remember whenever we do finally move out into the solar system, just like almost ever earthbound expansion in the past, it will be driven and staffed by commercial interests. I fully expect that venture to look a lot like a high tech version of the American early West. Wildcatters mining asteroids, Helium 3 extraction on the Moon, Ice harvesting from the rings of Saturn etc. None of these will be conducted by government agencies.
I'm sure at the same time there will be public research facilities in orbit, at least on the Moon, possibly Mars and the gas giant satellites.
Space will quite literally be the New Frontier.
Unfortunately you can’t create artificial gravity in a module. To create artificial gravity that doesn’t make people sick you need a large rotating structure, maybe 100m minimum in size. Modules on the outside of a wheel, like a bicycle tire is needed.
In regards to your edit: I think that's, ostensibly, what the Space Force is for.
@@darthtace Except that's a military organisation. NASA's non-military status is important.
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Good quality summary in terms of both facts, and visuals. I’ve now hit Subscribe.
"A brave new world where I would put money on MrBeast flying himself to space for a video. Isn't that right Jimmy?" - CC, I see what you did there.
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7:41
He's not rich enough yet to visit the ISS yet his net worth is only 25-30 million a trip to the ISS is 55 million
Thanks for the accurate description of why the ISS will come down. When I asked a former U.S. director of ISS why the aged modules couldn't just be replaced, he answered as you explained. There are crucial core modules that can't be replaced.
it is not the war that doomed the station, the sanctions against Russia doomed the station
I love your videos, thanks!
Great video, just one thing - the russian spacesuits color has nothing to do with ukraine, those are the colors of the school/university they went to. Those suits were chosen way before the war and the astronauts have basically no saying in that selection.
I came here to say this too
That was their official statement. They can’t be seen officially supporting Ukraine. I however think it’s far too much of a coincidence that they wore it when they wore it for the first time in 7 years.
@@RealEngineering agreed
Also Cosmonauts are former Russian air force pilots. They most definitely support the invasion.
@@RealEngineering - It seems unlikely that astronauts could have taken / worn things to space that were not known about by the chain of management - so it seems like if it were Ukraine support? quite a lot of people at Roscosmos were involved!
You d think the modular nature of the ISS would allow you to maintain it indefinitely, replacing modules slowly over time as needed. A task which I'm sure the upcoming Starship would be suited for.
That would require moral capital and for what ever reason governments have been allowing interest in space to wane amongst the general populace.
Well Starship could definitely bring up new modules, but that's not the same as replacing modules. You would need to disconnect 2-6 connection between modules, make sure they don't drift apart or collide, then reconnect them to the new module. Not impossible in theory, but not necessarily feasible or economical
It is cold welded together
The main issue is that over a certain time horizon you've basically replaced all of it, with modules that have to fit the old specs, and as david said metal touching metal in space over a long enough duration cold-welds together because there isn't any air to act as a buffer and repeated heating/cooling cycles and charges building up due to what remains of the solar wind etc.
Thomas the space shuttle and friends, coming up!
Lets make then useful space shuttles and shit.
I was amazed that America bothered with the space shuttles and the ISS. I know Buzz Aldrin had an interest in designing reusable spacecraft like the shuttle but Nasa really needed to work on a moon base. Deorbiting of a space station was always a likely event. The moon base just needs several modules with long corridors between the modules as protection against meteorite impacts.
Cool and informative video! Thanks.
I remember when I was around 12yo and was starting to grasp how difficult space exploration is, that is just dawned on me how ridiculous and unlikely it is that we managed to build this inhabited structure in orbit, and that we have done it with near worldwide cooperation. It seemed so unreal for someone who grew up with the ISS as an established venture, and it felt like a true utopia, where everyone is working together to achieve joint greatness and discover secrets of the universe.
The ISS has always had a best-before date, but the way it's likely gonna end now is perhaps the most tragic aspect of it all. I'd be hard-pressed to imagine a worse end to this marvel of a project.
Breaking apart in space and killing everyone inside would be worse, and it's quite easy to imagine. But yeah, sucks that it's in danger of failing due to a failure of the international cooperation that made it what it is.
How about if it was struck down by a missile? Would that be a worse or maybe a better, more glorious end? I personally would prefer it if it would go with a huge bang we could all see...
@@squarerootof2 The amount of space junk that would create could be catastrophic. If the ISS gets liberated by a missile, it could kickstart "The Kessler Effect" where space junk would exponentially crash into other satellites, creating a field of junk that would slice through anything trying to pass.
@@-GWL Yes, best pack it full with explosives and detonate it on re-entering the atmosphere. That would ensure there are no big chunks left over unburnt and the remaining smaller bits would fall by gravity with no danger of orbiting debris . Also some colorful fireworks could be added for better spectacle. The missile idea assumed it was hit on re-entry too.
It's all CGI, guys. Have fun blowing it up.
This channel perfectly demonstrates the problems modern technology deals with and the never ending need for innovations in engineering
what
Commercialisation should be the last reason we go to space. Commercialisation is destroying the planet. We cannot let it continue to expand into space.
I was still in school, when the Mir was decommissioned and burned up in the atmosphere. We were all kind of sad (at least the nerdy kids were).
The international space station was never intended to be a forever structure. It will eventually deteriorate beyond a useful point. There are and have always been alternative in place not only to gain access to the station but for its eventual replacement. Don't give Putin more value than he deserves, it is an insult to all those who have worked tirelessly on the construction, maintenance and scientific efforts associated with the international space station project.
This is the real takeaway to be honest. I enjoyed the exploration of future commercial space ventures, such as that zero-G movie studio. It would also have been nice to mention the future of permanent orbital habitats as opposed to mere research stations. However, that snide comment about the cosmonauts' uniforms really makes me wonder about where this channel is headed.
@@spaceface124What makes that comment snide?
What you REALLY wanted to say was "Don't give Putin *ANY* credit". But allow me a few words:
PLEASE learn some history! We could put Pres Bush (& MANY other "leaders"!) in Putin's shoes right now & it would be NO DIFFERENT. (Ex*cept that *Putin was PROVOKED & actually had good reasons to invade Ukraine!!)
So, Why is 1 invasion *EVIL (Russia's) & all the OTHERS *PRAISED (the many U.S. invasions) - FOR THE SAME DAMN THING? & the U S. wasn't even DEFENDING THEIR OWN COUNTRY as Putin is! - but only meddling in the affairs of OTHER nations!!!
Do ANY of you, who claim to know about the Russia /Ukraine invasion...do any of you even know, OR CARE, *WHY he invaded Ukraine? Until you do, you really have no business putting in your UNEDUCATED, comments that you *likely just picked up from yet ANOTHER UNEDUCATED comment. 🙄
The purpose of the ISS from the beginning was scientists wanting to cooperate internationally rather than compete ie it is the opposite of the space race. When it comes to actual science there are far better ways to spend the money. The plans for a station orbiting the moon have a very similar purpose, ie it makes no sense economically or scientifically but it requires cooperation between many nations and for that reason alone it is being planned. The ISS however is not just cooperation between Russia and the US, it involves the EU, Canada and Japan, and they will probably still want to maintain it even if Russia decides to pull out.
True. However, all that co-operation ended with USA banning NASA from any sort of co-operation with China.
All great points, however my point still stands that US sanctioned Russian space program first, hence the status quo.
la weird question but,like the mir before it,why burn it into the athmosfere and not jet it into space like Elon did with his Tesla and NASA with some of their older probes, I guess you can fill it up with sensors optics on a GIANT scale compared to the tiny space probes that we are currently sending..and if it burns it burns but if it still records and transmits..and Idk maybe put it into orbit,so a future mission 30-40 yeatrrs from now could extract valuable materials from it and not bring them from Earth..might make a great start to a MARS colony also
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The cost to maintain the current ISS will become too great. It's going to die its fiery death, sooner probably rather than later.
Do I see many western countries along with Japan lifting sanctions against Russia, or Russia getting more upset as one of its main sources of revenue becomes trivial, which is oil and gas? No I don't. The world will be full of companies competing for a much smaller use case for oil and gas, and I don't see countries conceding output to appease Russia.
So, it's going to die. Russia hasn't concentrated on getting away from an oil and gas economy. In fact Russia could become a country very much like N. Korea, where it needs China. They do have valuable metals and other elements, but even there they're in competition. And now its leader is lashing out at the world.
So the question is really, will it get replaced, because even the US is going to let the ISS die. They don't have an interest in trying to squeeze the max life out of something that's degrading. I mean that was the point of this video, to talk about what that transition period was supposed to look like. That replacement didn't consist of leaving parts of the ISS there. It's all degrading and that can't be stopped.
I feel like a backup module should have been planned before this arose (or at least a backup propulsion system). The ISS absolutely should be an international collaborative effort as it has been. In respect of that, my justifications would have been that there exists a high possibility of an age-related equipment failure jeopardizing the ISS' short- and long-term survivability, so a redundant, rapidly-deployable propulsion system would alleviate that. The cracked Russian components is already proof of that; failure to include redundancy for safety's and survivability's sake seems like a major oversight. Now would be the perfect opportunity to develop a new system.
"Begging the question" is a philosophical term of art for assuming the conclusion in the premises of an argument. It could "raise" or "lead one to ask", perhaps?
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Personally I think letting it de-orbit would be one of the biggest mistakes of modern space history, robbing that history from people in the future who might've wanted it. It should instead be moved to a storage orbit, so that people in the future can restore/preserve it someday. Maybe they'd take it apart and move chunks of it to a museum, or maybe by then people will be in space so much, they'll visit it like a famous landmark.. Either way, destroying it should NOT be an option.
would it survive in a storage orbit? or would it slowly get ripped apart by existing space debris and add the problem of debris in space in general?
ok, so I know very little about orbital mechanics, but moving an object the size of the ISS would cost billions in fuel costs. To raise it to an altitude which doesn't have the air resistance it has at the moment would just be unfeasible. I would love for the ISS to stay in orbit for historic reasons but I just can't see it happening.
Very bad idea, see "Kessler syndrome" on Wikipedia.
@@seamon9732 I will check it out
@@louiejohnson65 No it won't be that expensive, the ISS is big but it's not that heavy it's about 444 tons, and it doesn't require that much force to raise an orbit vs getting into orbit, I haven't done the math admittedly but wouldn't surprise me if instead of sending up cargo with an unmanned vehicle it could be full of fuel instead and expend it all to raise the orbit, might require more than one cygnus/dragon admittedly.
The cooperation should stay as it was for years, this isn't the first time one of the participants commit war crimes.
lmao facts
But what do you do if the criminal participant doesn't want to participate any longer?
As far as I can tell NASA wants to keep the ISS running as planned, but Russia doesn't or at least very loudly claim that they don't.
@@w0ttheh3ll When have Russia loudly claimed that they don't want to continue? That being said, under the current circumstances of fear-mongering and the wilful collapse of diplomacy on part of the west, it would be perfectly understandable if Russia *did* say "Well shit, I guess we're out, then.", but I don't think they have and I don't think they will, if given any choice.
Of course, the "western" world seems intent on giving Russia no other choice, but that is really beside the point.
@@Luckmann Russia gave them no other choice when they invaded Ukraine. Let’s not get it mixed. Putin wants the return of the USSR territories. He’s talked about it many times. Anything else is bullshit. He’s invading & attempting to conquer sovereign nations. I guarantee that if he’d gotten away with this, he’d be looking at Estonia, Lithuania & Latvia as well. I’m not sure how you think the west should respond to that kind of aggression, that close to their countries. Give him a BJ, like Trump?
@@Luckmann Just look at Rogozin's (head of Roscosmos) twitter. He's very loud.
Did you design all the 3d animation in the video? or is it from somewhere else?
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When it comes to being able to provide a reboost, the ISS has a couple of non-Russian options: Cygnus and Dragon. Cygnus has already been tested for ISS reboost.
They cant reboost with out Russian authority.
@@sisyphusvasilias3943 why
What we desperately need is a revolution in Russia. Remove Putin as the video says. Or humanity will be set back many decades. This is all from the selfish actions of one tyrant. We need to keep the economic pressure and the sanctions in place. We need to cut Russia off from everything. Europe needs to grow a pair and ban all imports of Russian goods. No more exceptions. Exceptions and blind eyes is why Russia has invaded a sovereign Western democracy.
@@sisyphusvasilias3943 they can if the Russians decide to pull out. As I understand it, the ISS is supposed to be cooperative, no nation is supposed to have more authority than anybody else.
@@sisyphusvasilias3943 watch them.
It's kinda so beautiful that even though the iss is divided between countries sections, everyone lives together and help each other in harmony without any internal conflict with each other. Hope our world can learn from that because up there, the earth is just a massive rock.
I love this project, but it could turn out very good to decomission it as early as possible. It seems to be another „old space“ relic, that is outrageusly expensive compared with „new space“. Given everything works out, take one modified Starship and you will have a much cheaper, larger and state of the art station. Take a few and you have a space hub without having NASA dragged down by maintaining the worn out and old equipment. Could turn out to be a great chance.
If no longer usable, the ISS should be boosted to an orbit above the geosynchronous satellites and can then be recycled later.
"Micro manufacturing in space for super alloys."
The future is now.
Yours renders are world class! Seriously brother keep this up. Your channel is golden.
These are real recordings
Honestly that render of re-entry was just bad. Sure lights and textures are cool but just s regular fire?
can we not read into the "russian astronaut uniform change" it was planned months ago because they had to use up the colours they had.
10:45 - Tell us how you really feel. I love it.
Now lets hope space x can hold up their end of the bargain.
Would be nice to be able to depend on civilian space agencies, but also I don't want to give Musk the prestige of something he told his engineers to do. Or the free practice returning objects.
Considering how the company operates and why it and the private space industry are seeing any success... I wouldn't bet on it.
@@user-xsn5ozskwg care to elaborate? :)
@@homeyworkey Companies exist to make a profit, which means that the things they do align directly with those interests. SpaceX has big investors not because they believe space exploration is humanity's future but because they see a profit to be made. If something interferes with that profit or gives them a reason to stop believing in it (like almost any time Musk tweets) then funding falls out, and no matter what Musk's desires and ambitions are without funding SpaceX can't go anywhere.
Space is not a short-term investment and has no immediate profits, all gains are assumed based on predictions that, while ranging in feasibility, do not have as high immediate returns as, say, building more drilling rigs. SpaceX and similar companies have a long fight ahead of them to keep private funding, and as for the public funding they receive through things like grants and subsidies, at a point we need to consider if a company being privately operated but publically funded makes sense. If Boeing is anything to go by in the industry the answer should be a very obvious "no."
@@user-xsn5ozskwg Well said. From everything we've seen since the birth of NASA, space exploration is a huge waste of time and resources. The public should not be forced to pay for it. They are sucking the energy out of society like many other foolish endeavors.
Rewatch your F1 videos to understand more about CFD, then I received your new video notification after 5 minutes.
I see the Mir space station come across our city before it crashed about 3000km away in Pacific Ocean. Still remember it was about 7.30 pm at night... i was late for work.
This reminds me how sad we were when Russia (my home country then) had to decomission MIR station.
There is something sickening about the idea that the entertainment industry is one of the main financial motivators of a new space station
Yes, intensely. Commercial enterprice that's linked to science (like those alloys), that's great. But still sad to see basic scientific research not beng important enough. Interesting space documentaries would be good too. But merely hollywood flicks being the prime motivator while science has brought so much and could do so much more, that almost feels like scientific sacrilege.
Money equals resources... and the entertainment industry commands a lot of "resources".
Why? comercialization bringed us spacex and the complete innovation of the space industry
Carso I think the reason people are not happy about it been commercial is because it would change the motive from scientific to monetary
@@generalboyit7867 good, we can do both, make science and gain money i don't see the problem with that
As the vídeo explains the objective was that the companies create the space stations and NASA rents the space for science experiments like how they hire spacex for the rocket launches
considering how long it was up there, and that it was suppose to be decommissioned years ago, MISSION SUCCEEDED! what they should be doing now is using it to build new stations and manufacturing facilities, for orbital structures and spaceframes for deep space.
A lot of the cost to maintain the ISS should be funded by the Pharmaceutical Industry since that is a lot of the research being done and they are the ones reaping the profits...I hate to see it go as much as anyone, but I think its time for smaller private stations and NASA should look at an orbiting Moon station..
I love your videos! Could you make the insane engineering of Europa Clipper?
A lot has been learnt from the deployment of the ISS that will contribute to a better successor.
Structural fatigue from constant thermal cycling, micro-meteorites and not to mention dependence on vaguely cooperative regimes.
I hope that the next step is forward, not stationary, and certainly not backward.
ok now this is epic
@Ben 🅥 what is here you scammer?
I should be quite the spectical as it crashes at point Nemo. Can't wait to see it.
I perform retro-commissioning for multi billion dollar systems like this. Send me up there captain
Axiom Space is getting involved in NFTs. If I had had stock in them, I would've sold it the minute I learned that.
Keep up the good work mate.
It is possible that it would be parked at graveyard orbit for future generations to explore
I would suggest that the cracks could be sealed with a viscous gel like superglue that stays soft while oxygen is present during application then when oxygen is removed polymerisation is no longer inhibited thus allowing cure hardening. This gelation would naturally occur in the vacuum side of the crack. Secondly surely it is in everyone’s interest to keep the ISS going so why not continue to add replacement modules for the aged parts. The add on entertainment modules etc could be done later. There is no need to bring modules back to earth but decouple them into a new configuration like a giant spinning wheel.
Imagine 70 years from now you are living on the Moon and watching a documentary about how the ISS is what started the eventually colonization of the solar system.
Yeah, but will you be able to get Amazon deliveries on the moon? The answer is yes, because they will likely own it.
When Billionares decide the future of the human race is more important than a diamond encrusted iphone case and a yatch.
There's absolutely no way you'd be living on the moon 70 years from now!
I'd say 150 to 200 years for any moon base.
Since humans would most likely kill each other and send the world back at least 50 years.
another musk fan
Ah - Skylab (anyone (else) remember that?). I reckon the I.S.S. remains a fantastic example of what can be achieved with good, solid co-operation & knowledge-sharing (without ideology, politics, religion and all other human [negative] b/s. Would it be worth the (massive) expense to retain it in orbit? Dunno, but it shouldn't just be written off as spacetrash.
100%
And there is no replacement 'international cooperation' presence coming.
Commercial craft, separate stations from regimes like Beijing etc are nothing like the ISS endeavour.
It's aging (independently from what happened on earth in Feb), leaks happened because of old gaskets and it's starting to Crack. Even if it's sad, space stations have their lifespan, and have to get replaced one day.
However, just imagine a Starship upper stage used as space station, it could even return to earth later and land again.
“Bah bah religión bad” cmon guys religión is not the cause of all problems. Human nature is.
Extremists are bad tho, wether religious or not.
@@tetraxis3011 We all know the 3-taboos rule : "Never talk politics, religion or sport in the pub". Religion does not occur in nature (nor the other 2) yet has caused countless wars and massive strife over the centuries. Hey - it still does (as does politics)! Hmmmm.....
a very interesting potential video would be what humanity has learned from the ISS and how a space station could be recreated better in the future
since your video about The 3D printing industry match have change, can you make a second video on the subject that will caver other printing technology like binder jetting and the current state of the industry?
"If Russia get's it shit together in the next 2 years"....yeah one can at least hope
This will depend if Mr Pootin will share the fate of Mussolini in '45
@@simonm1447 We could still work with Russia we put the sanctions on them. They didn't sanction us when we invaded several non aggressive countries in the middle east.
@@JustinL614 US wars like the one in 2003 were a clear mistake and also wrong (and only supported by a handful countries), however even in these wrong wars soldiers never shot on woman and children with firearms in visual range, like Russia now does daily. War crimes on civilians have now become part of a tactic for RF troops, like they had been used by SS in WW2.
Russia has left the club of civilized nations, there's no other way than a new iron curtain and sanctions on the brink of an economic annihilation.
It's not just Ukraine, they are threatening whole Europe with their nuclear armed MRBMs.
@@JustinL614 puhlease. There is so much wrong with that statement, I would need an hour and multiple pages of text to dissect it. Instead, I'll just say, FK Putin and his egomaniacal, gluttonous, arrogant, inhumane, unjustified war.
Russia seems pretty well positioned. The American empire keeps shooting itself in the foot while ruining it's colonies. Dollar hegemony has been obliterated, and Germany is about to get a lot colder if they remain intrasigent about petro-rubles.
They need to put it in a graveyard orbit instead so that future generations can go space diving in it!
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"To go where no one has gone before AND MAKE MOVIES!" I'm starting my screen play for a space sequel to "Casablanca" right now.
What were those flashes at 2:30, recorded from the ISS?
thunderstorms
Just a little correction: It’s highly unlikely that the uniform change of the kosmonauts is any indication for sympathy for Ukraine. It’s more likely that Roskosmos estimated that Ukraine would have been defeated by the time they launched.
@@alexandrep4913 Agree. Yellow uniforms are a video from 2015 lol
Russia is the one losing though
@@arb5901 Wrong, that video is from the recent mission. They were planning to use those uniforms since way before anything had happened, it's the color of the university they all attended.
@@FastSloth87 I think it just happened to be a coincidence but they kept them knowing how it would look.
@@Steph.98114 Nah, Vander Hei said they were actually surprised everyone related the uniform to Ukraine.
I see the ISS as the initial pioneering phase of us living & working in space.
It is sad that we will lose such a piece of history but there are a lot of private space station concepts that are very close to actual implementation.
The only worry is cost of access to LEO which will be taking care of by SpaceX Starship...
As such, a great chapter of history driven by big government entities will come to a close and a new one driven by private/public commercial entities will start.
The next gen of space station will be quite interesting.
I was hoping that space as a cooperative effort would last forever but that’s the thing. Cooperation lasts only as long as people do not understand things; when they understand, then every single worst human instinct appears, and everything gets privatized.
Still wish that the ISS would be moved to a higher Orbit, or a Graveyard Orbit.
Just let it sit there, as a beacon.
And maybe we'll be able to ractivate it as a museum or even bring it back part by part with the Starship Cargo and mount it on Earth as a Museum.
Burning that thing up would be SO stupid.
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Please note that it is Ukraine, not “the” Ukraine. Calling it The Ukraine is a Soviet Union term referring to Ukraine as a territory of Russia/USSR.
wtf are you on about? Russian doesn't have definite articles like "A, An, and The". "The" doesn't exist in Russian. Are you confusing that with "in Ukraine" vs "on Ukraine" which is differentiated in Russian because it would be "In the Borderland" vs "On the Borderland."
@@yavanna578 looks like my replies aren’t showing up because they have links in them. Either way, you could easily research the topic yourself and find the answer very quickly. The definite article “the” reflects Ukraine being seen as a territory. But here I’ll do the hard work for you, snip of one article below:
“It’s Russian and English too
Both the Russian and English languages make subtle distinctions between territories that are politically delimited and territories that are not. In Russian, people refer to events happening “na Ukraine” or “v Ukraine.” Russian language teachers usually explain the difference between “na” and “v” as the respective difference between “on” and “in.” One places the ketchup “na” the table and puts it away “v” the refrigerator.
Things get a little more complicated when describing larger spaces. In Russian, a person is “na” an unbounded territory, such as a hill, but “v” a bounded territory that is defined politically or institutionally, such as a nation-state. This distinction between unbounded and bounded territories holds even when English speakers would universally use “in.” So a person is “na” the Caucasus (“in the Caucasus”) but “v” Germany (“in Germany”).
English makes this distinction not with different prepositions but with the definite article “the.” English speakers use “in” before the name of a politically defined unit such as a nation or a state, and “in the” for a territory that is not politically defined. Hence, “Last week I was in Kentucky,” or, “Last week I was in the Bluegrass region.”
“Last week I was in Ohio” is fine, but if I turn to a friend and say, “Last week I was in the Ohio,” she might reasonably think I was in the waters of the Ohio River, on a cold swim.
There are exceptions, but these are the general principles that bind speakers of Russian and English.”
@@joshl90 Yes, в vs на is what I was referring to in the second part of the comment, but that's In vs On, which is not the same as putting "the" in front of it. The point is that "The Ukraine" wasn't a soviet union term, thats just blatantly false. You can't conflate In vs On with "the".
@@yavanna578 forget the Soviet Union term, territory is what I was getting at. Russia thinks that Ukraine is their territory, they always have even after the collapse in 91. There’s a reason why Ukraine has made many campaigns to educate people on removing the “the.” That is critical for the recognition of Ukrainian sovereignty
Shifting too much reliance on commercial ventures seems a dangerous option to me. The commodification of space is something that will feed the growing inequity on the planet.
NASA doesn't have the budget or timeline to make a launch vehicle of their own. Commercial companies launching payloads for other company's is the only space industry right now.
The private space industry is building several low earth orbit satellite constellations to provide censorship free communication anywhere in the world, especially rural and remote areas. The private space industry is already an equalizing force in this world, because cost savings have made satellite launches affordable for even smaller companies.
are you serious? so we should simply allow space travel to forever remain out of reach of everyone but the government? and at a cost of literally 10-100x the price it can be done by private enterprise? You do understand private enterprise means anyone who can afford to do it, and do it right, has a chance?
Your basically saying making money is bad, so people should stop making money. We really shouldnt base our economic systems on envy.
@@-whackd Private industry had led the charge against net neutrality, which is censorship by pocket book, even if they could be trusted not to censor ideas. (Spoiler: they cannot) Private industry can compete with government space agencies only because it is using the outcome of research that we paid for. Much like the internet, space exploration was funded by tax-payer monies and then given to private industry.
Sure, you can pay to get your cubesat launched for relatively cheaply, but what, where, when will become the purview of a few, massive companies and will not democratise space.
@@archer1133 Yes, and that is not a good thing.
What about welding in space? Literally happens naturally without any energy required.
At this point, it looks like there's a lot more doomed than a space station....
I think that smart minds will prevail and unite to solve the problem.
I agree with you 👍.
Not as long as greedy minds control everything really valuable for the future of humanity
Great video overall. Some thoughts and corrections.
1) your characterization of Russian cosmonauts as being solidly against the war is incorrect. We would all like that to be true, that this is “Putin’s war” and normal Russian people are uniformly against it. This is unfortunately false. There have been reports for example of NASA people learning directly from their Russian counterparts that they do in fact support this war, or at minimum see nothing wrong with it. Also, the recently arrived Russian crew wearing blue & yellow was a pure coincidence. Their belongings (including clothing) would have been packed long before the invasion began, and the colors are supposedly representing the school they all attended. This was not a message of Ukraine solidarity.
2) the cracks & air leaks are in the docking transfer tunnel at the rear of the Zvezda module (often called the “Service Module”) which is the rearmost permanent module of the ISS - the rear of the rear. If the Russians abandon the ISS partnership or if the cracks get bad enough to present a major risk to the station, it’s a fairly simple matter to isolate it from the rest of the station by closing its forward hatch.
3) Propulsion. The Russian progress supply vehicle is *currently* the only vehicle providing regular orbit raising & debris avoidance maneuvers. Emphasis on ‘currently’. In the past, the space shuttle did this routinely, as did the European ATV and Japanese HTV cargo vehicles. The American cargo vehicle Cygnus is also capable of this and performed a test a couple years ago and will do another testin the next couple of months, after which presumably it can be called upon to do so on a regular basis.
There is also the cargo and crew dragon from space x that can fill in the gaps of the progress spacecrafts and Soyuz with American Astronauts onboard.
Dragon can do it but ots truster orientation makes it suboptimal.
Commerical shipyards(rockets, etc) in space sounds the best. To allow more rockets and bigger stations...
Much less thermal expansion if it was parked between Gaia and Luna.
0:42 What an "interesting" CGI. A satellite wreck at the bottom of the ocean *with intact hull and solar panels*. lol
I’d like to hope that all the other countries participating in the ISS could allocate the emergency funding to cover the cost of maintaining it for just a little longer. I’m sad to say that more likely from my perspective than the current political issues being sorted out.
Without Russian technicians and spare parts the russian modules cannot be maintained properly.
I can imagine a large metal structure that is comprised of a single metal crystal, making it both stronger and more precise. Maybe structures for moon habitation?
They could build a complete new module from you know on the top of the old one and maybe make six inches apart and pressurize that and but keep it connected to the main part that's connected and just use the connector piece and then once the new ones built then they can tear the old one out from the inside