@@rsu8689 the video is from 2003. Nowadays, we have many African American doctors and scientists : Dr Montgomery, Dr Columbus Batiste, Dr Kim Williams, Dr Milton Mills... nutritionists, You Tubers (I love) Sweet potato soul, Chef Del Sroufe...
And if plants did feel pain - eating vegan would be even more valid since a huge amount of plants must be fed to livestock animals before they are slaughtered. It is an incredibly inept and silly argument.
I answer that question this way: To the best of my knowledge plants do no feel pain as they are not sentient. However, go slice a stalk of broccoli and then go slice the throat of a pig and tell me if you notice a difference… Your response is equally true and powerful! I only use mine when I can tell they are just being an ass 😬
Osteoarthritis in my Ankles,knees,hips,shoulders,fingers. 4 months into vegan diet, osteoarthritis disappeared. 5 years vegan whole food plant based the osteoarthritis has never come back. Now 66 & never been healthier. Zero medication.
@Andrea Lev Thanks Andrea. Stick with it. Get rid of oil completely & just have small amounts of nuts, seeds & avocado. Are you eating more of a whole food, plant based vegan diet. If your eating processed vegan food, biscuits, ice cream etc then you won't see big improvements. Acquaint yourself with Dr John McDougalls book "The Starch Solution". Dr Michael Greger's "How not to Die". Dr Neil Barnard. Dr Joel Furhman. Brenda Davis RD "Becoming Vegan". All excellent resources. Hang in there, you will see results. We are all different so it may take a little longer for some, but I urge you not to give up.
Been following and learning from these guys for the last 7 years...they are my heroes! It's so fun to listening to what they were saying in 2003...they are amazingly consistent!
Thanks so much for sharing this Jeff, truly enjoyed ever minute of this discussion. I can't believe this happened 18 years ago. These men are devoted towards finding the truth.
@@Atheria444 I was sure that was the case and is available in more information being it was recorded in 2003. Dr. McDougall looks a lot older now for sure.
@@courag1 , It's just genes, hereditary & age progression! He's lost a lot of weight since he quit traveling & eating out. I don't think it's overaging from a WFPB diet. I suspect he's a drinker though!
Thank you for getting these amazing experts together. Their comments and answers were very informative and helpful. I’m grateful for their mission to help people, animals and the planet.
WOW !!! Thank you very much for putting this on. Each doctor had excellent information. They had courage, desire, know how to search for the answers. We have learned so much by All of them. Thank you.
This was good, Jeff, thanks for posting it in 2021. I just had my first physical at 54 in MANY years and take a lot of supplements. My doc said my B12 is almost TOO high. Uh oh. Everything else was good though.
Jeff, thank you for posting this! Would love to see more vintage footage of these legends! If you have any older talks of Dr.Lisle could you please post them? Again, thanks for sharing, and great to see you back on youtube! :)
If you want a more in-depth understanding, of why these guys feel such a strong conviction towards a plant-based diet, UA-cam "Processed People Extended Talks". I found Caldwell Esselstyn's 12 minutes, to be the most compelling. ( but then my father died from a heart attack, at age 42 )
I'm embarrassed how I ate food products laden with nutrients thinking it's making me healthy. I believe the media is so powerful it changes even fundamental ideas. I happened to see a video about weight loss on the whole food-plant based diet and I do think a big part of failure is due to media's impossible expectations. I think it's safer when much media influence is avoided carefully and I do so using various methods. Even the entertainment we consume shapes us so I have been much more careful on the type of films and shows I watch.
I wonder if one day we'll offer death row inmates the opportunity to volunteer for medical experiments, perhaps in exchange for extra comforts, or paying their families money.
I dislike and distrust Fuhrman these days for those bogus EPA/DHA studies he cooked up to peddle supplements in recent years (thank you for enlightening me about that, too, Mr. Nelson), but the other doctors were being unfair to him here. Everything he said was in perfect alignment with what they were saying, he just added additional information that didn't contradict them in any way. He agreed that an active lifestyle and WFPB diet are unequivocally the way toward better health for everyone, but that for a very, very small percentage of the population with certain mutations, certain supplements would be helpful or even necessary if administered in a conservative and measured way. Take Primary Carnitine Deficiency (PCD), for example. About 1 in 40,000 people around the world cannot make their own carnitine, meaning that if they don't want to die, they have to either take a carnitine supplement, or eat small amounts of animal products on a regular basis. I'm sure there are similar mutations that we haven't discovered yet, but you would never see that by only looking at the epidemiology. When you start examining individual differences with modern genetic techniques, it becomes clear that what works for most doesn't work for all, in the sense that WFPB diets do work for all, but that some people also need additional supplementation. And the link between high salt intake and hemorrhagic stroke risk was valid. Dr. McDougall totally missed the point on that one.
@@aocplusme5676 Dr Fuhrman promotes the use and is clearly in favour of supplements because he sells them and has done for many years. None of the other doctors directly benefit financially from the diet they are promoting, which is a whole food plant based diet.
Hmm, they have all written books, do speaking events, have been featured in documentaries, and dr. mcdougall has a line of prepared foods. Are you sure the rest are not making money promoting this diet? If you don't want to take supplements, don't. In recent years I believe all have suggested b12 and iodine supplements at least.
Totally inappropriate and off topic (sorrry) but... WOWEEE!! Wasnt DOUG LISLE a FRESH FACED, SHINY boy back in 2003!? ~ swoon ~ older now but still just as handsome.
Omg thats just plain ridiculous to think plants feel pain omg hahahahaha 😂I just started a keto diet felt sick on vegan so been on this for 7 days feeling great! Cut out all processed foods , dairy and seed oils completely! Going to give it a month !!they all look way to thin to me!!
Fuhrman should be ashamed of himself. He is the worst plant based doctor who is not fully raw. Brian Clement is probably the worst plant based doctor overall.
No, I'm saying that he's my least favorite plant based doctor who is not fully raw. There are other plant based doctors who I think are worse than Fuhrman who are fully raw, like Brian Clement and Gabriel Cousens.
@@dj-fe4ck This is a good point. Fuhrman is oversimplifying ridiculously with this metric. (Despite this, however, his placing greens at the top of this metric will be good for the health of most people who hardly eat greens.)
Sorry but the truth of it is that it is nearly impossible to find high quality , nutrient dense food in our modern society, so I'm pro supplementation. Yes, high quality ORGANIC FOOD first .
Wow. I admire John Mcdougall for the work he has done, but he is selfishly biased. He actually stated that “he knows the truth, and if the science doesn’t fit his understanding he has to figure out why and how their wrong”! Great scientific thinking doc. And his comment about raw veganism being made up mostly of “fats and sugar”?? Maybe he doesn’t realize that the vegetables he advocates have a similar high carbohydrate (“sugar”) as does other fruits. All are around 80-90%+ carbs. But yet HIS starchy carbs are better than other fruits and vegs. He’s a hypocrite and cannot bear to consider any other perspective other than his own. Shame for such a bright mind to be so closed.
All these gentlemen are brilliant. I have learned and still do learn from all of them. Thank you Jeff! This video is a breath of fresh air!
I know these dudes are smart because they managed to keep anyone who is not white and male off their Expert Panel.
@@rsu8689 the video is from 2003. Nowadays, we have many African American doctors and scientists : Dr Montgomery, Dr Columbus Batiste, Dr Kim Williams, Dr Milton Mills... nutritionists, You Tubers (I love) Sweet potato soul, Chef Del Sroufe...
And if plants did feel pain - eating vegan would be even more valid since a huge amount of plants must be fed to livestock animals before they are slaughtered. It is an incredibly inept and silly argument.
i don't even know why people(including the activists ) even go to science when the argument you present is so simple and natural.
Boy, isn't that the truth!!
I answer that question this way: To the best of my knowledge plants do no feel pain as they are not sentient. However, go slice a stalk of broccoli and then go slice the throat of a pig and tell me if you notice a difference…
Your response is equally true and powerful! I only use mine when I can tell they are just being an ass 😬
Agreed lol so silly omg almost beyond belief to even bring that up hahahahaha
Genesis 1:29 and 30 peoples😊👍 God gave humans and animals all plants and trees as food🙏🏿🙏🏽🙏🙏🏾
Thank you for posting this! Very impressive to see these leaders of healthcare!!
This is such valuable information!! Thank you for ALL you do!!
Osteoarthritis in my Ankles,knees,hips,shoulders,fingers. 4 months into vegan diet, osteoarthritis disappeared. 5 years vegan whole food plant based the osteoarthritis has never come back. Now 66 & never been healthier. Zero medication.
@Andrea Lev Thanks Andrea. Stick with it. Get rid of oil completely & just have small amounts of nuts, seeds & avocado. Are you eating more of a whole food, plant based vegan diet. If your eating processed vegan food, biscuits, ice cream etc then you won't see big improvements. Acquaint yourself with Dr John McDougalls book "The Starch Solution". Dr Michael Greger's "How not to Die". Dr Neil Barnard. Dr Joel Furhman. Brenda Davis RD "Becoming Vegan". All excellent resources. Hang in there, you will see results. We are all different so it may take a little longer for some, but I urge you not to give up.
Been following and learning from these guys for the last 7 years...they are my heroes! It's so fun to listening to what they were saying in 2003...they are amazingly consistent!
The truth doesn't change & only good news about our WFPB habits! Lol
Thanks so much for sharing this Jeff, truly enjoyed ever minute of this discussion. I can't believe this happened 18 years ago. These men are devoted towards finding the truth.
Everyone looks a bit younger. Even my hero Dr. Esselstyn! Great info, thanks for posting.
Well it was EIGHTEEN years ago. :-)
@@Atheria444 I was sure that was the case and is available in more information being it was recorded in 2003. Dr. McDougall looks a lot older now for sure.
It's just hereditary, genes & aging. I don't think a vegan diet aged them to what they are now!
@@courag1 , It's just genes, hereditary & age progression! He's lost a lot of weight since he quit traveling & eating out. I don't think it's overaging from a WFPB diet. I suspect he's a drinker though!
@@jgrysiak6566lol, go back to bed.
Thank you for getting these amazing experts together. Their comments and answers were very informative and helpful. I’m grateful for their mission to help people, animals and the planet.
Thank you so much for this video. They are all my heroes
Dr. McDougall, I'm used to him getting fired up. But Dr. Esselstyn getting fired up? That was new! Lol.
I thought the same when I watched it! Love them all. Giants.
RIP, Dr McDougall.
This video is a gift. I really enjoyed it. Thank you, Star
That was fabulous. Thank you for sharing it, Mr. Nelson.
WELL SAID DR. MCDOUGALL REGARDING ALCOHOL👍
Does alcohol cause spousal abuse or would that be spouses who cause that?
WOW !!!
Thank you very much for putting this on. Each doctor had excellent information. They had courage, desire, know how to search for the answers. We have learned so much by All of them.
Thank you.
Great Video!!
I can't believe this video has only 2000 videos... look at this line up... luminaries. What a great panel,.
THIS IS THE VIDEO THAT I WATCHED BEFORE GOUNG VEGAN !!
This was good, Jeff, thanks for posting it in 2021. I just had my first physical at 54 in MANY years and take a lot of supplements. My doc said my B12 is almost TOO high. Uh oh. Everything else was good though.
Dr. McDougall & Dr. ESSELSTYN say u don't need supplements except B12. U get all the protein, vitamins & minerals from WFPB diet
Wonderful to look back at this and see how far we have come....
Jeff, thank you for posting this! Would love to see more vintage footage of these legends! If you have any older talks of Dr.Lisle could you please post them? Again, thanks for sharing, and great to see you back on youtube! :)
Posted one today of Doub.
thank you Jeff! this is wonderful!
20 years ago, listed as one year ago on YT.
If you want a more in-depth understanding, of why these guys feel such a strong conviction towards a plant-based diet, UA-cam "Processed People Extended Talks". I found Caldwell Esselstyn's 12 minutes, to be the most compelling. ( but then my father died from a heart attack, at age 42 )
Very interesting, thank you!
DR. MCDOUGALL & DR. ESSELSTYN WERE REALLY SHARP IN 2003
I'm embarrassed how I ate food products laden with nutrients thinking it's making me healthy. I believe the media is so powerful it changes even fundamental ideas. I happened to see a video about weight loss on the whole food-plant based diet and I do think a big part of failure is due to media's impossible expectations. I think it's safer when much media influence is avoided carefully and I do so using various methods. Even the entertainment we consume shapes us so I have been much more careful on the type of films and shows I watch.
Plants have feelings? 😂😂😅👍 always one in the crowd, OMG... what about the Animals?
So true ' what he said..Vegan Wineos..
You can sense how the other doctors are slightly annoyed by Fuhrman, 15 years before the big bang...
Great discussion among these passionate doctors 😊❤️
Very informative.
IF YOU LIVE LONG ENOUGH YOU WILL DIE OF HEART FAILURE
Thank You Jeff 🍒🥬🙏🏾🌽🍓
ARE THESE 5 GUYS STILL ALIVE RIGHT NOW??
Yes absolute legends
Fun seeing them this long time ago!👍👍👍
No but seriously, is anyone more honest and transparent than Jeff Nelson? Thank you sir.
Is it less ethical to experiment on people? And if so, any volunteers?
I wonder if one day we'll offer death row inmates the opportunity to volunteer for medical experiments, perhaps in exchange for extra comforts, or paying their families money.
Excellent
Plants have feelings!! The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze!!!
👍 very informative conference thank you for the information God bless.
How can that guy know plants dont have feelings or what the consciousness of a plant is ? he cant know , he can only make an educated guess .
I dislike and distrust Fuhrman these days for those bogus EPA/DHA studies he cooked up to peddle supplements in recent years (thank you for enlightening me about that, too, Mr. Nelson), but the other doctors were being unfair to him here.
Everything he said was in perfect alignment with what they were saying, he just added additional information that didn't contradict them in any way.
He agreed that an active lifestyle and WFPB diet are unequivocally the way toward better health for everyone, but that for a very, very small percentage of the population with certain mutations, certain supplements would be helpful or even necessary if administered in a conservative and measured way.
Take Primary Carnitine Deficiency (PCD), for example. About 1 in 40,000 people around the world cannot make their own carnitine, meaning that if they don't want to die, they have to either take a carnitine supplement, or eat small amounts of animal products on a regular basis. I'm sure there are similar mutations that we haven't discovered yet, but you would never see that by only looking at the epidemiology.
When you start examining individual differences with modern genetic techniques, it becomes clear that what works for most doesn't work for all, in the sense that WFPB diets do work for all, but that some people also need additional supplementation.
And the link between high salt intake and hemorrhagic stroke risk was valid. Dr. McDougall totally missed the point on that one.
Fuhrman advocates lotsa nuts & seeds, avocados & fats. Lol
Where are the women?
They didn’t stay for the panel that year. They flew out before the end of the conference.
Fuhrman doesn't really belong there.
Can you please explain why and be detailed? Thank you
@@aocplusme5676 Dr Fuhrman promotes the use and is clearly in favour of supplements because he sells them and has done for many years. None of the other doctors directly benefit financially from the diet they are promoting, which is a whole food plant based diet.
I agree
Hmm, they have all written books, do speaking events, have been featured in documentaries, and dr. mcdougall has a line of prepared foods. Are you sure the rest are not making money promoting this diet? If you don't want to take supplements, don't. In recent years I believe all have suggested b12 and iodine supplements at least.
Again Fuhrman reveals himself as a world class doctor considering the specifics of each individual he works with.
so cheaky, this vid
I love Joel Furman
💖💖💖
Brilliant 👌
Totally inappropriate and off topic (sorrry) but... WOWEEE!! Wasnt DOUG LISLE a FRESH FACED, SHINY boy back in 2003!? ~ swoon ~
older now but still just as handsome.
Omg thats just plain ridiculous to think plants feel pain omg hahahahaha 😂I just started a keto diet felt sick on vegan so been on this for 7 days feeling great! Cut out all processed foods , dairy and seed oils completely! Going to give it a month !!they all look way to thin to me!!
Fuhrman should be ashamed of himself. He is the worst plant based doctor who is not fully raw. Brian Clement is probably the worst plant based doctor overall.
The Fuhrman Doctrine that states that Health=nutrients/calorie is false.
Sorry are you saying he's not good enough because he's NOT raw? The other Drs are not completely raw either
No, I'm saying that he's my least favorite plant based doctor who is not fully raw. There are other plant based doctors who I think are worse than Fuhrman who are fully raw, like Brian Clement and Gabriel Cousens.
I'm with you DJ, Brian Clement is the worst with his all raw therapy. 2nd in line is Furman for alot of reasons ... Money money and more money 💰💰💰💰💰
@@dj-fe4ck This is a good point. Fuhrman is oversimplifying ridiculously with this metric. (Despite this, however, his placing greens at the top of this metric will be good for the health of most people who hardly eat greens.)
D3, B12, K2, CoQ10. and tee food plant sinergy....
We r not all animals. There r humans and there r animals. And animals r not here to b experimented on, tortured, or maimed to benefit humans.
Humans are animals.
The last lady, 🙄 the doctor literally answered the question but it was completely goes over her head 😑😅
Sorry but the truth of it is that it is nearly impossible to find high quality , nutrient dense food in our modern society, so I'm pro supplementation. Yes, high quality ORGANIC FOOD first .
U r not too far from the truth!!!👍👍👍
We are humans NOT animals.
Humans are animals.
No we are organism
Wow. I admire John Mcdougall for the work he has done, but he is selfishly biased. He actually stated that “he knows the truth, and if the science doesn’t fit his understanding he has to figure out why and how their wrong”! Great scientific thinking doc. And his comment about raw veganism being made up mostly of “fats and sugar”?? Maybe he doesn’t realize that the vegetables he advocates have a similar high carbohydrate (“sugar”) as does other fruits. All are around 80-90%+ carbs. But yet HIS starchy carbs are better than other fruits and vegs. He’s a hypocrite and cannot bear to consider any other perspective other than his own. Shame for such a bright mind to be so closed.
Just do a 21 day Kickstart of WFPB eating & see if it works for u & your needs!
Very old video