I’m 43 years old… I’ve been watching these tournaments since the beginning… what these kids are doing is absolutely astounding! Joseph, you’ve ushered in a new era. You’re a great guy, great competitor and have taken this old game to a level nobody thought possible. Awesome match!!!! Congrats Huff!!!
This match is especially crazy when considering that Huff has only been rolling for a few months. The sky's the limit for the new playstyle, that's for sure.
I dont know if hel be able to do it he's only practiced a bit with it but so far its not as natural for him as it has been for some others by the looks of it, I personally dont think he even needs it for level 18-28 play as Joseph and Dog have shown they can more then hang with and even out stack/ out score rollers generally speaking on level 18-28 much of the time! however the issue and what will become more and more a bigger issue in the years to come is post kill screen play/chase downs, as we saw here Joseph truly did play better stacking/straight up better fundamental Tetris then Huff did overall, it literally came down to post kill screen chase downs for Huff to just barely barely edge it out in the end ya know! so if Joseph can eventually learn rolling- and I hope he can- I honestly dont think he or Dog need it at all for level 18 - 28,I mean if they can get to a point where they can use it comfortably and efficiently and it only adds to there already masterful playing/skills then great ya know why not ,but they dont like "need" need it at those levels ya know what I mean?, I just think they just need to try and utilize it/switch to it right before kill screen play basically ya know, so hopefully they will do something like that cause honestly rare elite naturals like Dog and Joseph are so soooo perfect at stacking and improv and still so very fast for tappers even that they can do just fine against rollers right up to kill screen, its just what they can or cannot do at times after "killscreen" that will determine matches in the months/years to come against the best/elite rollers ya know. But yeah hopefully Joseph can get it down at least somewhat eventually, he's had a couple streams where he practiced it but yeah he's well lets put it this way if Hydrant and Huff are already like levels say 50- 60 at Rolling and Cheezie is like level 45-50 ish at rolling at this time out of say 100. Then at this time, Joseph is pretty much for now just a level like 3-4 at rolling at this very moment in time lol, I have a feeling itl be comparable to switching to Tapping from Das like how a lot of veterans simply either didn't even try or think they could or flat out couldn't learn/master tapping and instead just stuck with DAS and hoped for the best, I feel with this not everyone will be a natural or capable of mastering rolling or heck even becoming fairly good or decent at it in some individual cases ya know, but it just depends on the player and we shall see. Its not quite there yet so legends like Joseph and Dog for now for now can still hang with and even defeat the best rollers! for now. If if they are leading enough going into post 29 level play! along with get few lines/couple post 29 Tetrises with tapping as well, because I mean again Dog and Joseph there stacking/ fundamentals/ improvisational/adapting techniques are all essentially maxed out, and there tapping speed well Joseph is like an 8.8 out of 10 or so and still easily one of the fastest tappers around, and Dog is like pretty much the same thing skill/technique/speed/stacking etc. wise and his tapping speed is pretty much like a 9 or even a 9 .5 out of 10, if Dog is not the literal fastest hyper tapper in all of Tetris-which he may or may not be it could be him, it could be Eric still, maybe its this Tetris Time even hard to say exactly, but id Dog is not the literal fastest hyper tapper right now! then he's at least still easily in the top 2-5 range. But eventually, eventually, and likely fairly soon I have a feeling that I dont know if I can say most but at least half or more then half of future matches will be determined by post level 29+ chase downs primarily because of and using rolling.
that said, huff only got his first rolling maxout in August. if he's already at his level in 4 months, there's no telling what joseph can do with rolling and his phenomenal stacking
Bummed out Jonas passed away. He said he couldn't tap because the stress it puts on your hand but rolling is far easier. Jonas with rolling would be awesome to watch
this is actually such a cool match up. they are both such clean players, and both such great personalities, congrats to both of them. great commentating in this round too, you guys make it so exciting and enjoyable for new and veteran viewers.
@@ralfjones7144 it really hasn't been that long and he will always be remembered in this community as one of,if not the top goat. Rip jonas. These tournaments are not the same without him.
The scary thing is that Joseph said he only played 1 hour in the 2 weeks before CTWC and he is practicing rolling. I can't wait to see what he does next year!
I agree with this. He has changed his build-style to be more DAS-like with the benefits of building higher rather than just dumping stuff to the left that he used to do. Him and Tristop are two of the cleanest builders with a very good perception of when certain situations are dangerous. It feels like these two are what you get when you combine Jonas and Koryan into one person.
@@kacperzimowski4626 Where in my comment did it say anything about Huff??? It was about how well Joseph played with so little practice. Sounds like you're the "Fanboy" here.
He meant it to, I guarantee you Huff literally practiced hundreds of more hours then Jd did in the calendar year 2021......and thats not an excuse by any means Huff in the end got it clean and fair respect, but thats how damn great and what a natural prodigy Joseph is and will always be, I truly believe he and Dog til this very day are the absolute peak best of hyper tapping hell they dont even really need rolling, maybe work it into killscreen play if can switch up before killscreen but I mean he is still that dang good really hope he's not discouraged here cause he was a thread away from getting revenge on Huff, heck he even technically played better then him most of the game just lost in the end with the Huff chasedown in key games. Joseph can still win this event with tapping just like Dog did bottom line! I absolutely believe that especially especially if he practices a lot more next year or at least in few months leading up to CTWC 2022. And thats a fact!.
@@chiatriani Yeah Joseph and Dog are very rare examples of prodigies who both have nearly maxed out tapping speed but also maxed out improvisational ability, and most importantly supreme top tier stacking skills/IQ! and it shows, I do think they should bare minimum work on a method for possibly switching to roiling-if necessary depending on the game in question- before reaching "killscreen" ya know and just use tapping and do what they do better then anyone else from level 18-28 play but besides that there still solid man il take Dog or Joseph over 9 out of 10 elite rollers as they are for now on any given day, though to there credit a Roller elite one like a Fractal Huff or Hydrant when there having an exceptional day can defeat Joseph on that type of day, but its just as arguably even more likely Josephs superior stacking fundamentals skill and more then still fast and accurate enough tapping speed can still defeat even top tier rollers if not in the slight majority of matches then at least pretty darn close to on equal grounds/levels ya know. Joseph should for sure grind the game out regardless if has ready to try rolling in tournament play or not if he plays in ctwc 2022 he should grind the game put in a good at least 150 or so hours in lead up to main event next time and hel be even more freakishly consistent and sharp, but this is what a basically baseline hardly practiced or even competed much really most the year for 2021 version of Joseph can still od against the best Das/Tappers/and Rollers in the world to this day! Just amazing he and Dog are truly prodigies.
@@kacperzimowski4626 Maybe a fanboy sure....doesnt mean its not true though......its a fact Joseph blatantly put in less sometimes by a significant margin practice time/grinding hours in the year 2021 and main events pkayed as well then other elites like Huff/Dog/Andy/Nenu etc did......and yet he still came within a micro fraction of beating Huff! fan boy or not thats a fact man.....its also however a fact that Josephs not putting in as much practice/grind work leading up to the event the way they did is on him! so no excuses in the end....never the less he wasn't wrong man and its a relevant point lol, This was quite literally a version of Jd who put in not even 1/30th the practice hours for the year that other top tier elites did....and he he still made top 4 in the end outplayed Huff even majority of matches but lost in chasedown, thats all factual!. It also isn't making excuses though or invalidating Huffs earned deserved win by any means.
And 3 years later, Dog just put up a 12.4 million in-competition score reaching damn near level 200 against Scuti who got like a 6 million in the same game. That progression in records is CRAZY
Joseph's ability to microadjust last second to set up for more optimal next piece placements is insane. I don't play NES tetris, but it sure is exciting to watch, especially with the new rolling technique shaking up the scene!
I have watched a couple of these matches now and I have to say: Chris and James are pound for pound two of the best announcers/commentators for ANY sport broadcast at any level in America. You guys do an amazing job keeping each match fresh and fun; never repeating yourselves; continuously staying on track with the action; playing well off of each other; and most importantly, while you both bring a level of passion that is palpable, James, in particular, brings a level of exuberance that is truly unparalleled in any sport. Great, great job. I have made a habit of watching Tetris videos (especially Scout’s) every time one pops up on my feed based primarily on my interest in the competitive nature of the game/sport. But now I am literally excited when I see that you guys are calling the match, and enjoy every second of it. 🙏
@@scooter_b123 you'll have to explain that analogy cause I don't see the connection. E.g., a corked bat is a modified bat. How is the controller modified for rollers?...
The transition to rolling is only going to be better for players overall. The repetitive strain is less harsh than hypertapping but the results are better. Rolling is still new enough that player experience and decision making is still a big advantage, but that will soon pass.
on the contrary, rolling will emphasize practical decision making. hypertapping often overcame decision making, rolling will equalize input skill and bring everyone to a level playing field where stacking skill reigns supreme.
@@dustinirwin1 If we were talking about hypertapping vs DAS, sure. That is pretty much what happened in the 2018 and 2019 CTWC where the experience of DAS players was still able to overcome hypertappers up to a point. Now, we are witnessing that one small moment in history where hypertapping can still keep up because of experience while the rollers are overconfident, but that experience gap will definitely be gone next year.
@@shepherdsgamingrun nah, i think dog will win again next year, without rolling. i don't see dog switching unless the rollers start beating him regularly, which i don't see happening within a year.
i've always liked these commentators. it was great when (not sure which name is which voice) one of them was talkin about tucks, and he's like, "its so beautiful". true passion for this timeless classic, man.
Always such amazing play by Joseph! Even against rolling, it’s crazy how close Joseph was to taking the whole match with game 4, since he was ahead and only lost due to chase down past the killscreen. If he really masters rolling who knows what he can do!
I've watching this like 4 or 5 times since it's been posted. I always fast forward to the play, meaning I don't listen to the commentary (oopth! -with a lisp lol). Anyway, I'm watching all the way through now, and at 22:00 You guys called Joseph a 'vet' and it's crazy because it feels like only yesterday when I was living in Japan seeing this kid destroy Jonas (RIP man, we love and miss you!!). Being born and raised in Portland, it baffles the hell out of me that I had no idea that these matches were going on! I left when I was 18 in 2006, but I would've stayed just to have been able to attend these matches! Anywho, all that aside, it's crazy how fast time goes. I remember Joseph crying when he won his first championship, saying he only entered to qualify and ended up winning the entire thing. I watch his twitch a lot and I love seeing him practice his rolling. Can't wait til he masters that! Moreover, I can't wait to find out the new technique that destroys rolling lol Humans are always evolving.
It's insane how far the game has been pushed in the past four years. Back in 2017, DAS was a perfectly viable scheme for a near 40-year-old to win the championship. Today, if you can't play comfortable in the Kill Screen, you need to pray for early top-outs to even have a shot at Grand Finals.
idk but whatever play style that has created, stacking is the key in tetris. and joseph's stacking ability is another level. they got the same pieces but joseph managed to lead the game at many parts.
30:52 "Going into skill screen". If it wasn't intentional, then that's the best slip of the tongue I have ever heard. Calling it "Skill Screen" is so much more accurate nowadays.
Joseph playing is always so fun. He's in the deciding match of CTWC semifinals, and decides to start the match by just copying every move Huff makes. Just for the fun of it! Love it.
Congratulations Huff, well deserved. Game Play is so solid, maintaining a good stack, great dig ability and of course that kill screen performance. Look forward to the next match up. So close Joseph, incredible fight! Piece placement, spins, tucks and micro adjustments are unmatched. I can't help thinking that you felt under pressure with Huff's ability, All the more reason to level up. There will be a learning curve no doubt. I do question the consistency with rollong but all it takes is time to iron out the bugs. I have no doubt with an even ability on the kill screen you will be on top again! Good luck!
46:52 Joseph did throw and play lot in the early game of this last game. He tried copying Huff and when he first misdropped, he laughed. And he often plays very clean but sometimes it feels like he moves his pieces to very weird places.
47:20 one thing that's always frustrated me about Joseph is that he looks over at the other players and his had misplacements because of it. It really gets me on edge. I scream at my screen, "DUDE, PAY ATTENTION!!" lol
A LOT of competitors in these tournaments do that. And it grinds my gears too..... It's ABSOLUTELY frustrating, because they'd do so much better actually focusing on THEIR game. Makes me wanna snack then upside the head. Lol. Jk.
I remember seeing Joseph for the first time before hyper tapping was even common & him being able to survive the kill screen to win amazed me. Seeing what huff can do with rolling reminds me of Joseph playing Jonas(rip) for the first time
What an amazing match... No words can describe their incredible performances... It was just insane! JD saying that It was his last day tapping made me so excited! I'm rotting so much for him to become incredible good at rolling and show what's he's made of next year. I think Joseph has taken the hyper tapping technic to its maximum potential already, now, new rooms might open where new records, even above 1,6m, and new playing styles take place in the future of ctwc tournaments. Thank you both for such great game, I enjoyed it a lot! Keep on going Huff! You might win this year! Joseph, keep it up man. I want to see you next year again! I want to see that so badly... Practice rolling and keep moving forward. Don't you dare to stop playing tetris, you are yet still too young, and there's a great future for you just waiting ahead, it all depends on you, take the opportunity and just like Koryan says: just do it! Boom! Tetris for the whole tetris community! \O/
That is a big reality now, granted hypertapping was a huge step up from DAS simply the fact it unlocked gameplay beyond 29, the problem with hypertapping is simply muscle wear and tear on the NES d-pad and having to tap beyond what's normal it will do your hands in with carpel tunnel and such. And rolling technique will eliminate at least the excessive d-pad tapping wear and tear in the future. But of course rolling will probably eventually result in a different set of issues in itself with having to "rolling" rapidly but this will probably be far less bothersome as what hypertapping is currently. Either way, rolling will be the next evolution in Tetris, now the question is when, not if but when we could potentially see gameplay that could last for a few hours if everyone gets massively good at rolling to the point that it becomes the standard just below TAS. I can definitely see in the future where games going to level 50 and beyond happening, it becomes a stamina factor at that point in where the best rollers will come versus the great rollers. Tetris will continue to be more interesting for years to come. Joseph i have watched since he came on the scene in 2018, and when you look at it, Joseph was one of the few people to usIng hypertapping vs DAS and win two championships doing it, over DAS which was the standard before these discoveries. It's crazy how fast hypertapping is slowly fading out in just a five year stand, with rolling now and probably will be the best way to get maximum input out of NES Tetris and will probably be here for many years longer than what hypertapping is.. It's crazy too because when Joseph won his 1st title most of the community believed hypertapping four years ago was going to be the only way to go from here on out. But nope lol. Like i said Tetris is going to become super competitive in the years to come. To think I'm 50 now, i was a teenager when Tetris came to the NES now to see this type of play is just beyond exciting.
@@paulsd9255 that's true, but again basing it on assumption at the moment that these strats only go to say 50 or so levels, but what will happen once the best players that roll go way beyond level 50 consistently... Now that could be true it's nothing more than what you just described, and considering rolling overall would be better hand wise after stamina training for this, it may be a minimal issue, we won't know this until gameplay gets to that point which i think will still be months out from that kind of gameplay.
@@juliocastaneda5940 It'll probably be no worse than other RSI conditions I guess. But yeah, I'm almost certain piano tendonitis is the worst you can expect from rollers
@@paulsd9255 I think that too, will see as gameplay evolves but this method will be the gold standard, at least in using an NES controller anyhow. And what is amazing is that this playfield is going to expand significantly, once this becomes the standard exclusively. Probably tons fold from what hypertapping did five years ago. I mean just this year alone the advancement from it grew a lot.
Grown up man dueling and respecting each others at tetris just bring back my memories, a lot better than two kid one house that play for some achievements rather that paying respect
Poor Joseph man he really is a genuine legend, I mean Huff and a few others probably put in more practice time then any other players this past year, and certainly way wayyyyyy more then Joseph has this year, and yet Joseph still came this close to beating him this time in there rematch it literally came down to super narrow post kill screen play, and this just shows that Joseph truly is a natural at this and he also is an absolute master at stacking and fundamentals, of course Huff is even without rolling one of the what anywhere from #2- top 5 best Tetris players in the world today at this very moment! and yet Joseph is still objectively a better stacker and better fundamental player then Huff, Huff is simply able to last a lot longer post 29 and its now to the point where that will more and more each year be the difference, I personally am not liking the fact that it may potentially come down to 95 percent of future games basically being 29+ chase down games meaning that every player will have to adapt to rolling basically like say a master fundamental stacker/high IQ payer like Nenu is playing a Huff or etc and lets say for arguments sake he's ahead by 200k on level 29, a guy like Nenu as amazing and elite as he is he's not even particularly fast for a tapper let alone rolling so Huff and them will simply more and more be able to take him post kill screen, but at the same time this is 100 percent fair it takes supreme skill and its totally fair whether I like it a lot or not so thats all there is to it, for now though its not quite to that point as Dog and Joseph have shown here in particular so far, but its getting to that point and Joseph is still one of the faster tappers and again an absolute master stacker and etc, but rolling was literally the difference maker in this series like Joseph played overall noticeably better Tetris, but in the end that didn't matter because Huff lasted longer and so thats how it is and Huff earned it amazing player thats for sure and 100 percent earned just making that clear I am not bashing the dude he's a true elite great and he remains the only man to defeat Joseph in CTWC history in fact! now Twice. I'm just saying that my personal preference is that I enjoy the whole thing and I just kinda hate to see post level 29 chase downs be the primary thing that determined matches in the end regardless how skilled and good at stacking and improvisational and etc a player may be n level 18-28 ya know, I just hope that players like Joseph and Nenu can if they need to actually get rolling down at least some what or at least for post 29 play cause honestly Dog and Joseph do not even need rolling for there pre level 29 play they really dont, thats how good they are, they truly do not need rolling to hang with and beat the elites even rollers before the kill screen! that is how fast at tapping and more importantly masterful there stacking /iq/ improvisational/ and fundamentals are, the issue is that they will need to adapt and be able to hang post lvl 29 because I see no reason whatsoever that as the years go on more and more and more matches won't be determined by just big really long lasting chase downs post 29 ya know...which again is what it is and takes supreme skill its not "cheating" its not"illegal" nor is it "unfair" its just a weird unforeseen thing is all so will see how it goes in the years to come. But Joseph truly is amazing his stacking and fundamentals remain among the absolute best in the world and thats with not grinding/practicing even close to as much as fellow freakish elites like Huff/Hydrant/Richie/Cheeze-e,Dog,Nenu and etc have this past year ya know, hes just that much of a natural but still to beat Huff in the future well hes either gonna need to play to his absolute limits every single match like he almost almost did here basically, try to be up by a minimum of 150-200+ k on kill screen, then go on for as long as possible and hope Huff cannot complete the chasedown ya know, Or..or Joseph to will have to find a way to if not master at least somewhat utilize rolling to an efficient enough degree even if just for post 29 play ya know. But all that crap aside sorry haha, excellent well deserved win by Huff and he really is a amazing amazing top 5 rated player !.
That second game shows how important placement and strategy still is, even though rolling is clearly slightly faster than hypertapping. Joseph learning rolling will be unstoppable for years.
GG joseph
GG huff
GG guys, was a pleasure to watch your clash :)
Huff is tas
Man rolling kids is taking the champ
@@JdMfX_ ma
I’m 43 years old… I’ve been watching these tournaments since the beginning… what these kids are doing is absolutely astounding! Joseph, you’ve ushered in a new era. You’re a great guy, great competitor and have taken this old game to a level nobody thought possible. Awesome match!!!! Congrats Huff!!!
42 here, I want to see Joseph evolve into some kind of hybrid tapper/roller, and come back for his third trophy.
@@Cybornut I think this would be hard tho since he does not have the time to practice like he did or he does not practice as much as he used too
42 here, you would think that I´ve learned not to read comments before watching to the end by now. :(
Let's acknowledge some of chris tang's commentary:
"That's how Huff rolls", "You have to think outside of the blocks"
Not to mention his "digs" puns.
"Huge dig"
"Nice dig"
"What a dig"
@C Tetris for Jeff! BOOM!
@@Alvin_Vivian underappreciated comment
yes I enjoyed that too.
This match is especially crazy when considering that Huff has only been rolling for a few months. The sky's the limit for the new playstyle, that's for sure.
hes only been rolling for a few months?? he does it so well. Rolling is probably the future
@@ardenwii Mhm! His first maxout with rolling was in August. He's definitely gonna impress in 2022 :)
In a couple years, there might not even be kill screen. Players will just be going until level 60 lol
Yes it is the player know have been rolling very shortly and there already like 3 times better then the players from 5vyears ago
shows how low the skill ceiling with rolling
I NEVER in a Million years thought id be watching Tetris Tournaments but this extremely captivating..
The chat was going crazy when Joseph mentioned that he was transitioning to rolling! He's on his way to his final form.
I thought he retired
I dont know if hel be able to do it he's only practiced a bit with it but so far its not as natural for him as it has been for some others by the looks of it, I personally dont think he even needs it for level 18-28 play as Joseph and Dog have shown they can more then hang with and even out stack/ out score rollers generally speaking on level 18-28 much of the time! however the issue and what will become more and more a bigger issue in the years to come is post kill screen play/chase downs, as we saw here Joseph truly did play better stacking/straight up better fundamental Tetris then Huff did overall, it literally came down to post kill screen chase downs for Huff to just barely barely edge it out in the end ya know! so if Joseph can eventually learn rolling- and I hope he can- I honestly dont think he or Dog need it at all for level 18 - 28,I mean if they can get to a point where they can use it comfortably and efficiently and it only adds to there already masterful playing/skills then great ya know why not ,but they dont like "need" need it at those levels ya know what I mean?, I just think they just need to try and utilize it/switch to it right before kill screen play basically ya know, so hopefully they will do something like that cause honestly rare elite naturals like Dog and Joseph are so soooo perfect at stacking and improv and still so very fast for tappers even that they can do just fine against rollers right up to kill screen, its just what they can or cannot do at times after "killscreen" that will determine matches in the months/years to come against the best/elite rollers ya know. But yeah hopefully Joseph can get it down at least somewhat eventually, he's had a couple streams where he practiced it but yeah he's well lets put it this way if Hydrant and Huff are already like levels say 50- 60 at Rolling and Cheezie is like level 45-50 ish at rolling at this time out of say 100. Then at this time, Joseph is pretty much for now just a level like 3-4 at rolling at this very moment in time lol, I have a feeling itl be comparable to switching to Tapping from Das like how a lot of veterans simply either didn't even try or think they could or flat out couldn't learn/master tapping and instead just stuck with DAS and hoped for the best, I feel with this not everyone will be a natural or capable of mastering rolling or heck even becoming fairly good or decent at it in some individual cases ya know, but it just depends on the player and we shall see. Its not quite there yet so legends like Joseph and Dog for now for now can still hang with and even defeat the best rollers! for now. If if they are leading enough going into post 29 level play! along with get few lines/couple post 29 Tetrises with tapping as well, because I mean again Dog and Joseph there stacking/ fundamentals/ improvisational/adapting techniques are all essentially maxed out, and there tapping speed well Joseph is like an 8.8 out of 10 or so and still easily one of the fastest tappers around, and Dog is like pretty much the same thing skill/technique/speed/stacking etc. wise and his tapping speed is pretty much like a 9 or even a 9 .5 out of 10, if Dog is not the literal fastest hyper tapper in all of Tetris-which he may or may not be it could be him, it could be Eric still, maybe its this Tetris Time even hard to say exactly, but id Dog is not the literal fastest hyper tapper right now! then he's at least still easily in the top 2-5 range. But eventually, eventually, and likely fairly soon I have a feeling that I dont know if I can say most but at least half or more then half of future matches will be determined by post level 29+ chase downs primarily because of and using rolling.
that said, huff only got his first rolling maxout in August. if he's already at his level in 4 months, there's no telling what joseph can do with rolling and his phenomenal stacking
@@danielhicks4826 yeah but Joseph mentioned that tapping was making his wrist hurt so the switch was due to physical health reasons as well
@@danielhicks4826 indeed but i think joseph doesnt have the top player mindset anymore, hes moved on with college, music, etc
Bummed out Jonas passed away. He said he couldn't tap because the stress it puts on your hand but rolling is far easier. Jonas with rolling would be awesome to watch
Agreed!
Totally.
jonas with rolling could probably reclaim his throne but we will never know sadly, RIP jonas
Jonas could use DAS early on and then could have switched to rolling in the latter levels. RIP
Jonas took molly?
this is actually such a cool match up. they are both such clean players, and both such great personalities, congrats to both of them. great commentating in this round too, you guys make it so exciting and enjoyable for new and veteran viewers.
Joseph has really matured a lot. Glad he's having fun and still has a love for the game.
Rest in Peace Jonas!
@@ralfjones7144 people can still be sad chill
@@ralfjones7144 Being antipathic isn't as cool as you may think it is
@@ralfjones7144 woa there hotshot
@@ralfjones7144 it really hasn't been that long and he will always be remembered in this community as one of,if not the top goat.
Rip jonas. These tournaments are not the same without him.
@@ralfjones7144 Edgelord 0/10
Never in my life did I think that JOSEPH would be backed to a corner while having a MAX OUT as an AVERAGE!
NES developer: the score limit is set to 999,999 since no one can... Time traveler: no one can win a knockout game with that low score.
"It's like 'What were they thinking?'!!!"
I'd love to see the creator of tertis speak on rolling
Willis Gibson beats the tetris
The scary thing is that Joseph said he only played 1 hour in the 2 weeks before CTWC and he is practicing rolling. I can't wait to see what he does next year!
I agree with this. He has changed his build-style to be more DAS-like with the benefits of building higher rather than just dumping stuff to the left that he used to do. Him and Tristop are two of the cleanest builders with a very good perception of when certain situations are dangerous.
It feels like these two are what you get when you combine Jonas and Koryan into one person.
@@kacperzimowski4626 Where in my comment did it say anything about Huff??? It was about how well Joseph played with so little practice. Sounds like you're the "Fanboy" here.
He meant it to, I guarantee you Huff literally practiced hundreds of more hours then Jd did in the calendar year 2021......and thats not an excuse by any means Huff in the end got it clean and fair respect, but thats how damn great and what a natural prodigy Joseph is and will always be, I truly believe he and Dog til this very day are the absolute peak best of hyper tapping hell they dont even really need rolling, maybe work it into killscreen play if can switch up before killscreen but I mean he is still that dang good really hope he's not discouraged here cause he was a thread away from getting revenge on Huff, heck he even technically played better then him most of the game just lost in the end with the Huff chasedown in key games. Joseph can still win this event with tapping just like Dog did bottom line! I absolutely believe that especially especially if he practices a lot more next year or at least in few months leading up to CTWC 2022. And thats a fact!.
@@chiatriani Yeah Joseph and Dog are very rare examples of prodigies who both have nearly maxed out tapping speed but also maxed out improvisational ability, and most importantly supreme top tier stacking skills/IQ! and it shows, I do think they should bare minimum work on a method for possibly switching to roiling-if necessary depending on the game in question- before reaching "killscreen" ya know and just use tapping and do what they do better then anyone else from level 18-28 play but besides that there still solid man il take Dog or Joseph over 9 out of 10 elite rollers as they are for now on any given day, though to there credit a Roller elite one like a Fractal Huff or Hydrant when there having an exceptional day can defeat Joseph on that type of day, but its just as arguably even more likely Josephs superior stacking fundamentals skill and more then still fast and accurate enough tapping speed can still defeat even top tier rollers if not in the slight majority of matches then at least pretty darn close to on equal grounds/levels ya know. Joseph should for sure grind the game out regardless if has ready to try rolling in tournament play or not if he plays in ctwc 2022 he should grind the game put in a good at least 150 or so hours in lead up to main event next time and hel be even more freakishly consistent and sharp, but this is what a basically baseline hardly practiced or even competed much really most the year for 2021 version of Joseph can still od against the best Das/Tappers/and Rollers in the world to this day! Just amazing he and Dog are truly prodigies.
@@kacperzimowski4626 Maybe a fanboy sure....doesnt mean its not true though......its a fact Joseph blatantly put in less sometimes by a significant margin practice time/grinding hours in the year 2021 and main events pkayed as well then other elites like Huff/Dog/Andy/Nenu etc did......and yet he still came within a micro fraction of beating Huff! fan boy or not thats a fact man.....its also however a fact that Josephs not putting in as much practice/grind work leading up to the event the way they did is on him! so no excuses in the end....never the less he wasn't wrong man and its a relevant point lol, This was quite literally a version of Jd who put in not even 1/30th the practice hours for the year that other top tier elites did....and he he still made top 4 in the end outplayed Huff even majority of matches but lost in chasedown, thats all factual!. It also isn't making excuses though or invalidating Huffs earned deserved win by any means.
And 3 years later, Dog just put up a 12.4 million in-competition score reaching damn near level 200 against Scuti who got like a 6 million in the same game. That progression in records is CRAZY
Joseph's ability to microadjust last second to set up for more optimal next piece placements is insane. I don't play NES tetris, but it sure is exciting to watch, especially with the new rolling technique shaking up the scene!
This must have been one of the craziest rounds i've seen in tetris championships so far :D Speechless!
Loved watching this live. Will love watching it on repeat.
So bummed that Joseph lost he had so many clutch plays in the series, well played to Huff for winning
Joseph always smiling. Respect to sportsmanship.
I have watched a couple of these matches now and I have to say: Chris and James are pound for pound two of the best announcers/commentators for ANY sport broadcast at any level in America. You guys do an amazing job keeping each match fresh and fun; never repeating yourselves; continuously staying on track with the action; playing well off of each other; and most importantly, while you both bring a level of passion that is palpable, James, in particular, brings a level of exuberance that is truly unparalleled in any sport. Great, great job. I have made a habit of watching Tetris videos (especially Scout’s) every time one pops up on my feed based primarily on my interest in the competitive nature of the game/sport. But now I am literally excited when I see that you guys are calling the match, and enjoy every second of it. 🙏
It’s crazy to remember when hyper tapping was a new thing and Joseph came in like a storm. And now rolling seems to be the new thing to beat it.
Absolutely a banger of a top 8 this year! I can't WAIT until in person play starts again in 2022!!!
@C Perhaps not guaranteed, but it's expected/planned to be. Commentators mentioned it during the Twitch live stream.
man, Huff was playing effortlessly with rolling, while Joseph was straining. I didn't realize that hyper-tapping was so hard on the hands!
Rolling is like playing baseball with a corked bat. I don't think it should be allowed.
@@scooter_b123 you'll have to explain that analogy cause I don't see the connection. E.g., a corked bat is a modified bat. How is the controller modified for rollers?...
The transition to rolling is only going to be better for players overall. The repetitive strain is less harsh than hypertapping but the results are better. Rolling is still new enough that player experience and decision making is still a big advantage, but that will soon pass.
on the contrary, rolling will emphasize practical decision making. hypertapping often overcame decision making, rolling will equalize input skill and bring everyone to a level playing field where stacking skill reigns supreme.
@@dustinirwin1 If we were talking about hypertapping vs DAS, sure. That is pretty much what happened in the 2018 and 2019 CTWC where the experience of DAS players was still able to overcome hypertappers up to a point. Now, we are witnessing that one small moment in history where hypertapping can still keep up because of experience while the rollers are overconfident, but that experience gap will definitely be gone next year.
@@shepherdsgamingrun nah, i think dog will win again next year, without rolling. i don't see dog switching unless the rollers start beating him regularly, which i don't see happening within a year.
@@Jack_80 That is possible, in which case I would note that Dog better take care of his hands over time.
i've always liked these commentators. it was great when (not sure which name is which voice) one of them was talkin about tucks, and he's like, "its so beautiful". true passion for this timeless classic, man.
This was a crazy match! Super excited for who will win the entire competition!
Always such amazing play by Joseph! Even against rolling, it’s crazy how close Joseph was to taking the whole match with game 4, since he was ahead and only lost due to chase down past the killscreen. If he really masters rolling who knows what he can do!
I've watching this like 4 or 5 times since it's been posted. I always fast forward to the play, meaning I don't listen to the commentary (oopth! -with a lisp lol). Anyway, I'm watching all the way through now, and at 22:00 You guys called Joseph a 'vet' and it's crazy because it feels like only yesterday when I was living in Japan seeing this kid destroy Jonas (RIP man, we love and miss you!!). Being born and raised in Portland, it baffles the hell out of me that I had no idea that these matches were going on! I left when I was 18 in 2006, but I would've stayed just to have been able to attend these matches! Anywho, all that aside, it's crazy how fast time goes. I remember Joseph crying when he won his first championship, saying he only entered to qualify and ended up winning the entire thing. I watch his twitch a lot and I love seeing him practice his rolling. Can't wait til he masters that! Moreover, I can't wait to find out the new technique that destroys rolling lol Humans are always evolving.
It's a new era indeed. DAS to Hypertap to Rolling.
Awesome match, Joseph had that if huff couldn't roll like a god. Excited to see more rollers battling it out on the skillscreen next year!
Joseph's last CTWC game. Miss him but obviously college would be more important for him. Didn't seem too bothered to switch to rolling either.
Lmao, the combined score diff is: 5,426,060 vs 5,462,060
It's insane how far the game has been pushed in the past four years. Back in 2017, DAS was a perfectly viable scheme for a near 40-year-old to win the championship. Today, if you can't play comfortable in the Kill Screen, you need to pray for early top-outs to even have a shot at Grand Finals.
It's very emotional to watch these matches; specially when you see how much effort they put in to it.
idk but whatever play style that has created, stacking is the key in tetris. and joseph's stacking ability is another level. they got the same pieces but joseph managed to lead the game at many parts.
30:52 "Going into skill screen". If it wasn't intentional, then that's the best slip of the tongue I have ever heard. Calling it "Skill Screen" is so much more accurate nowadays.
What this kids, younger than the game itself, are doing is absolutely incredible.
Joseph's winning sprit is alive. The hurt he showed at the end will make him stronger.
James Chen is *NUTS!* He makes me laugh so much with his high-energy and panicky commentary 😂
Undoubtedly one of the best matches ever. Holy wow.
I remember when Joseph just seemed like he was unbeatable unstoppable
Tang talking about this being "the first match where a veteran goes against this new play style" like ruins isn't on Huff's level.
Joseph playing is always so fun. He's in the deciding match of CTWC semifinals, and decides to start the match by just copying every move Huff makes. Just for the fun of it! Love it.
Congratulations Huff, well deserved. Game Play is so solid, maintaining a good stack, great dig ability and of course that kill screen performance. Look forward to the next match up.
So close Joseph, incredible fight! Piece placement, spins, tucks and micro adjustments are unmatched. I can't help thinking that you felt under pressure with Huff's ability, All the more reason to level up. There will be a learning curve no doubt. I do question the consistency with rollong but all it takes is time to iron out the bugs. I have no doubt with an even ability on the kill screen you will be on top again! Good luck!
46:52 Joseph did throw and play lot in the early game of this last game. He tried copying Huff and when he first misdropped, he laughed. And he often plays very clean but sometimes it feels like he moves his pieces to very weird places.
Huff is like The Terminator. So awesome, he is my favorite this year!
He Huffed and he puffed and he blew the Joseph down!!!
47:20 one thing that's always frustrated me about Joseph is that he looks over at the other players and his had misplacements because of it. It really gets me on edge. I scream at my screen, "DUDE, PAY ATTENTION!!" lol
A LOT of competitors in these tournaments do that. And it grinds my gears too.....
It's ABSOLUTELY frustrating, because they'd do so much better actually focusing on THEIR game. Makes me wanna snack then upside the head. Lol. Jk.
31:55 Huff cheering on Joseph. Such good sportsmanship on both sides in this match and in general in this community
I love it...I love that it's no longer the "Kill Screen"....it's now the "Skill Screen"
Watching Huff at the end of game 3 just kinda fangirl as Joseph dropped that 1.3 was awesome.
Props to Joseph for that save at 19:16
Huff is a goddam machine on those kill screens. What he does doesn’t seem like it should be possible. Amazing reflexes and ability
This was an admirable game. : )
By both players.
Incredible. : )
Was such a pleasure to watch. : )
You know Joseph match will always be awesome and very entertaining to watch.
Glad to hear Joseph say he’s moving into rolling. Adapt or get left behind
These are the best commentators I've heard in any sport!
The Level 40 Leftris after the hangerang looked like intentional to rub it in, haha. :)
I just love how humble these players are. I love these matches!
Joseph couldve won if he didnt overthink or rattled from round 4's game. He's always the smarter player in every match that he had.
Two guys having fun, nice to watch these!
I remember seeing Joseph for the first time before hyper tapping was even common & him being able to survive the kill screen to win amazed me. Seeing what huff can do with rolling reminds me of Joseph playing Jonas(rip) for the first time
What an amazing match...
No words can describe their incredible performances... It was just insane!
JD saying that It was his last day tapping made me so excited! I'm rotting so much for him to become incredible good at rolling and show what's he's made of next year.
I think Joseph has taken the hyper tapping technic to its maximum potential already, now, new rooms might open where new records, even above 1,6m, and new playing styles take place in the future of ctwc tournaments.
Thank you both for such great game, I enjoyed it a lot!
Keep on going Huff! You might win this year!
Joseph, keep it up man. I want to see you next year again! I want to see that so badly... Practice rolling and keep moving forward. Don't you dare to stop playing tetris, you are yet still too young, and there's a great future for you just waiting ahead, it all depends on you, take the opportunity and just like Koryan says: just do it!
Boom! Tetris for the whole tetris community! \O/
That is a big reality now, granted hypertapping was a huge step up from DAS simply the fact it unlocked gameplay beyond 29, the problem with hypertapping is simply muscle wear and tear on the NES d-pad and having to tap beyond what's normal it will do your hands in with carpel tunnel and such. And rolling technique will eliminate at least the excessive d-pad tapping wear and tear in the future. But of course rolling will probably eventually result in a different set of issues in itself with having to "rolling" rapidly but this will probably be far less bothersome as what hypertapping is currently. Either way, rolling will be the next evolution in Tetris, now the question is when, not if but when we could potentially see gameplay that could last for a few hours if everyone gets massively good at rolling to the point that it becomes the standard just below TAS. I can definitely see in the future where games going to level 50 and beyond happening, it becomes a stamina factor at that point in where the best rollers will come versus the great rollers. Tetris will continue to be more interesting for years to come. Joseph i have watched since he came on the scene in 2018, and when you look at it, Joseph was one of the few people to usIng hypertapping vs DAS and win two championships doing it, over DAS which was the standard before these discoveries. It's crazy how fast hypertapping is slowly fading out in just a five year stand, with rolling now and probably will be the best way to get maximum input out of NES Tetris and will probably be here for many years longer than what hypertapping is..
It's crazy too because when Joseph won his 1st title most of the community believed hypertapping four years ago was going to be the only way to go from here on out. But nope lol. Like i said Tetris is going to become super competitive in the years to come. To think I'm 50 now, i was a teenager when Tetris came to the NES now to see this type of play is just beyond exciting.
Lol post 50 is already here. Game is evolving quick quick
If I'm looking at it right, the most damage you'll do to your hands with rolling is no worse than what a virtuoso pianist would get
@@paulsd9255 that's true, but again basing it on assumption at the moment that these strats only go to say 50 or so levels, but what will happen once the best players that roll go way beyond level 50 consistently... Now that could be true it's nothing more than what you just described, and considering rolling overall would be better hand wise after stamina training for this, it may be a minimal issue, we won't know this until gameplay gets to that point which i think will still be months out from that kind of gameplay.
@@juliocastaneda5940 It'll probably be no worse than other RSI conditions I guess. But yeah, I'm almost certain piano tendonitis is the worst you can expect from rollers
@@paulsd9255 I think that too, will see as gameplay evolves but this method will be the gold standard, at least in using an NES controller anyhow. And what is amazing is that this playfield is going to expand significantly, once this becomes the standard exclusively. Probably tons fold from what hypertapping did five years ago. I mean just this year alone the advancement from it grew a lot.
I still love this so much, but let's face it, it's just not the same without a crowd going absolutely nuts
Been watching tetris for maybe 5 years - playing through the kill screen like this is nuts.
Joseph casually does the craziest survival ever in the history of Tetris
Still loses the game
Watching these games is super soothing.
LET'S GO JOSEPH. LET'S GO JOSEPH
Damn, gg. Would have loved to see a dub into the finals. Beautiful performance from huff - all the way to level 40 👏👏👏
It was good he’s still getting better, he’s just that good at hypertyping. Fairplay to him
Congratulations, Huff! Excited to see you play in the final
Joseph can stack amazingly if he can just learn the rolling technique. But can't complain because HUFF is a beast.
So glad to see the Prince of Tetris return. I say Prince because Jonas will always be numero uno.
Grown up man dueling and respecting each others at tetris just bring back my memories, a lot better than two kid one house that play for some achievements rather that paying respect
Crazy how Joseph is considered a veteran now I still rmbr when he won his first ctwc
Imma just leave my comment here, next year joseph will master rolling and win the CTWC
Yaass Joseph! On the way to ultimate form. Keep going!
Joseph returns with a black glove like Luke Skywalker…
Robot hand specially designed to play Tetris. Electric table saw solved problem of extant hand. Messy, but worth it.
Hmm, I wonder if watching this now will change the original outcome…
Lol
Hey! Get outta my head! Lmao
I feel like Huff was toying with Joseph the whole time
Poor Joseph man he really is a genuine legend, I mean Huff and a few others probably put in more practice time then any other players this past year, and certainly way wayyyyyy more then Joseph has this year, and yet Joseph still came this close to beating him this time in there rematch it literally came down to super narrow post kill screen play, and this just shows that Joseph truly is a natural at this and he also is an absolute master at stacking and fundamentals, of course Huff is even without rolling one of the what anywhere from #2- top 5 best Tetris players in the world today at this very moment! and yet Joseph is still objectively a better stacker and better fundamental player then Huff, Huff is simply able to last a lot longer post 29 and its now to the point where that will more and more each year be the difference, I personally am not liking the fact that it may potentially come down to 95 percent of future games basically being 29+ chase down games meaning that every player will have to adapt to rolling basically like say a master fundamental stacker/high IQ payer like Nenu is playing a Huff or etc and lets say for arguments sake he's ahead by 200k on level 29, a guy like Nenu as amazing and elite as he is he's not even particularly fast for a tapper let alone rolling so Huff and them will simply more and more be able to take him post kill screen, but at the same time this is 100 percent fair it takes supreme skill and its totally fair whether I like it a lot or not so thats all there is to it, for now though its not quite to that point as Dog and Joseph have shown here in particular so far, but its getting to that point and Joseph is still one of the faster tappers and again an absolute master stacker and etc, but rolling was literally the difference maker in this series like Joseph played overall noticeably better Tetris, but in the end that didn't matter because Huff lasted longer and so thats how it is and Huff earned it amazing player thats for sure and 100 percent earned just making that clear I am not bashing the dude he's a true elite great and he remains the only man to defeat Joseph in CTWC history in fact! now Twice. I'm just saying that my personal preference is that I enjoy the whole thing and I just kinda hate to see post level 29 chase downs be the primary thing that determined matches in the end regardless how skilled and good at stacking and improvisational and etc a player may be n level 18-28 ya know, I just hope that players like Joseph and Nenu can if they need to actually get rolling down at least some what or at least for post 29 play cause honestly Dog and Joseph do not even need rolling for there pre level 29 play they really dont, thats how good they are, they truly do not need rolling to hang with and beat the elites even rollers before the kill screen! that is how fast at tapping and more importantly masterful there stacking /iq/ improvisational/ and fundamentals are, the issue is that they will need to adapt and be able to hang post lvl 29 because I see no reason whatsoever that as the years go on more and more and more matches won't be determined by just big really long lasting chase downs post 29 ya know...which again is what it is and takes supreme skill its not "cheating" its not"illegal" nor is it "unfair" its just a weird unforeseen thing is all so will see how it goes in the years to come. But Joseph truly is amazing his stacking and fundamentals remain among the absolute best in the world and thats with not grinding/practicing even close to as much as fellow freakish elites like Huff/Hydrant/Richie/Cheeze-e,Dog,Nenu and etc have this past year ya know, hes just that much of a natural but still to beat Huff in the future well hes either gonna need to play to his absolute limits every single match like he almost almost did here basically, try to be up by a minimum of 150-200+ k on kill screen, then go on for as long as possible and hope Huff cannot complete the chasedown ya know, Or..or Joseph to will have to find a way to if not master at least somewhat utilize rolling to an efficient enough degree even if just for post 29 play ya know. But all that crap aside sorry haha, excellent well deserved win by Huff and he really is a amazing amazing top 5 rated player !.
I'm just going to pretend I read all that.
Gave you a thumbs up anyhow.
Nice post I read the whole thought process.
holy mother of text wall
Crazy! Reignited my interest in tetris! So sad that Cheez never get the chance to shine.
Joseph is thinking : Damn, time to learn rolling technique xD
51:51 "That's just how Huff rolls"
Bru two days i thought Tetris was boring and now im addicted
What i liked about is he keeps smiling while playing, that looks like he is enjoying.
That second game shows how important placement and strategy still is, even though rolling is clearly slightly faster than hypertapping. Joseph learning rolling will be unstoppable for years.
Top tapper versus top roller. This is basically a Battle of the Bosses. Bowser versus Ganondorf. Shao Kahn versus M. Bison. Super epic! 🤘
Huff is absolutely incredible. But so is Joseph!
I miss the "BOOOOM TETRIS FOR JONAS" 😥
Hearing Joseph say “this is my last day tapping” actually made me emotional 😂
Level 30 onwards should be called the High Rollers club.
madlads love their funny squares
Joseph richy and huf so far my personal top 3. Delivering crazy games of tetris. 👍 looking forward to see joseph rolling next year!
Wild how far Tetris has come. This is no more the highest scoring match ever. In just a year!!!!
just realized Joseph said 'fuck' at around 31:58 when he couldn't get the longbar over 🤣
Times go really fast! Now I’m seeing someone can be faster than Joseph :O
damn rolling really does make all the difference.
I enjoyed this match a lot ❤️
Damn it really seems like Joseph had an incredibly difficult final bracket, like in 2018. Two rollers into dog to win gdamn
Well done to Joseph for sticking with tapping till the end.
Haven't seen a CTWC match in a while and I'm kind of happy that rolling isn't dominating the competitive scene.