If by star you mean 20 mil a year to rebound, defend and cut to the basket at a high level. Sign me up The star you suggesting he hasn't shown to be at all.. why they can't come to an agreement
@@dan61909 he is already on a team where he can break out lol. Yet they want to trade him. I not saying I am simply right because GSW saif so. I saying I right because he literally doesn't have that type of game plus he is one of these overconfident diva's trying antics to get big contract. He not some Brandon Ingram even, not smooth like that. Just a cutter who is freak athlete and can do a lot of the dirty work at high level.. if he chooses to do that kind of work
It doesn’t matter because kuminga is not getting traded. Kuminga is Golden State’s Tyler Hero, The Kings Keegan Murray, and the Lakers Austin Reaves. Those teams are not trading those guys. You know how many teams have tried to trade for Kuminga ? Even when he was in Kerr’s dog house they still wouldn’t trade him. They could have used him to entice teams into taking Wiggins massive contract and yet they still didn’t want to give him up. They’re not trading him!!
Kuminga and this years pick would be the last and final touches of the rebuild but he definitely will want that pay day and can he adjust to not having the ball in his hands?
Jak is setting expectations low. I think they will compete this year especially with better chemistry going forward ( RJ + IQ and barnes) we already have a certified center, staying healthy will help this quest for another banner.
+14 per 100 posessions = Yak + BBQ thats good, then what? We have a team full of nobodies who need time to develop and learn basketball and you talking banner? I mean, thats pretty wild stuff lol
raptors are competing for bottom 4-5 spots in league. thats about all they are competing for with a depth of 6-7 players and rest rookies and gleague players. dont kid yourself on that boston pre-season game, celtics are a veteran squad and wont play hard in pre-season knowing they are competing for a 2nd championship. if the celtics are on their A game and want to win, they blow the raptors out of the water.
@ben rogers jonathan kuminga is not coming to raptors. it would be like a siakam on the team, too much overlap and occupy the same space basically with scottie barnes. you want even less spacing on the raptors?
dont need kuminga, he does similar things as scottie and occupies the same space. would be worse spacing as well. scottie is the better player so dont need kuminga.
We don't need Kuminga. The money he will want is out of our reach, besides which, there will be better all round players available in the 2025 draft. Kuminga's a great athlete sure, but, let's not forget it's a team game.
@@terrancedavis4851 he had half a season, have to see how he adjust when people have tape on him and guard him the right way this season if his stats go up or down with tape on him now.
no you cant. its basically the same problem with siakam. kuminga does similar things as barnes and occupies the same space. would lead to worse spacing as well. what ya gonna do give kuminga the ball over scottie? kuminga isnt even a good defender.
We seem to keep looking at players with an upside. I want a player who is already there. We train them then they leave for more money. Tired of being a farm team for other teams.
thats false, kuminga does similar things as barnes and occupies the same space. so worse spacing as well. kuminga isnt good at defence either so jakob and barnes would still have to cover up for 3 bad defenders.
He actualy doesn't though. Its what he thinks he needs to get his game off. His biggest problem is thinking he some iso socring wing when he just is not. His talents make him a rebounding defending cutter but that won't get him paid by some sorry team lol
@@HiAmDerks I haven't seen a ton.. i just listen to enough podcasts and look for it when I do watch them. He doesn't really get into his bag or nothing, doesn't seem to have one, can't run a pNr. Is just a really good cutter and athlete with potential on Defence, I actually think he would be quite nice to have if like you say, he didn't have that Diva bet on yourself nonsense going on and he got paid for what he is not some fake future prospect
How would they pay him? You have two (maybe 3 or possible 4) contracts to sign up by next season and two seasons after. Grady (maybe O'j) , Shead looks like his could demand money soon, and this years rookie if he turns out, are all going to want signifigant jumps.
Everything you're worried about is kind of staggered over the next few seasons. How are you worried about Shead already when he hasn't even played an real game? Bruce, Chris, MLE, and other possibilities... there is a lot of flexibility.
@@notDonaldFagen nobody's worried - it's called understanding the variable cost of the future. It's something adults (should) do if they want to help avoid "situations" to keep financially prosperous. The team doesn't want to Golden State themselves in being a top heavy financial strapped team. Giving away future stars because they can't count.
It’s likely limited by Wiggins. JK has to wait for Wiggins to get moved before getting paid. They learned from Poole. And already had paid out lots of tax in the past. Wiggins been depressed last year with the situation with his kids not being his kids . While Bruce could do the trade for Wiggins, do we want him for the remainder of his contract ? And who has to throw in more? Is Wiggins a value to throw in some seconds? Or will warriors need to add and loose moody or some other prospect ? I think adding Boucher might be possible but the money seems to high going out , so who is added to come back ?
dude two 2nds is nowhere near enough compensaton to eat 87 million of wiggins contract over next 3 years. you would still need a top 3 protected pick in there if they gave moody. without moody an unprotected pick and likey two 2nds
If they're trading with GSW. It's to get paid for taking Wiggins contract. Maybe Andrew could get a boost like RJ in playing home. Would trade Brown for Wiggins and the 2 2nd Rd draft pick they got from ATL
if you think the atlanta picks are gonna be good, you smoking crack. atlanta was a play in team before dejounte murray. and they actually got more size and defence they needed. plus atlanta has no reason to tank with spurs owing their picks for next 3-4 years
Just rumors, with money Barnes 💰 about to get when that rookie max officially kicks in,nah nope 🙅♂️.maybe when Cap goes up Masai move few pieces we'll see in the future what unfolds.
I'm not sold on the "timeline" method but this would be a huge improvement...possibly attract other talent(Ingram) to The North. They have to pay someone to improve...Pay This Man.
We are at the cap, right now. Will have 120 mil in 4 players next year and GD will be getting paid not long after that. So you want to add Kuminga, so we can attract Ingram. Pay tjem both and go well past the second apron to get two guys who don't play team basketball. They aren't desired by their own teams because they want too much money to not fit within the scheme of a team. You want that as our future? Why lol
Jak + 2026 Pacers first = Herb Jones + Ives Missi. Then. BB + 2028 second = Clint Capela + Hou 2028. We would have to pay and waive Bruno. Herb fits better as D-3 that guards PG to SF and some PF with good contract and we can’t pay JK. This gives N.O. Very Good C that knows how to play both ends to help Zion. They also have good wings that can replace Herb. Their next move is find a new home for CJ without taking $ beyond expire so they can sign BI to more money. Maybe not max but more than today. ATL wants to get off one of 2 wings with three year contracts maybe Bruce helps them move? PG: IQ, DM, JS SG: RJB, J’KW, OA, GT SF: Herb J, GD, OA PF: SB, KO, JM C: CC, Ives M, CB Gel this year to top 8 in East then next year complete for top 5-6 keep supporting and growing BBQ. Next Offseason try to sign CC for a little less and use draft BPA and bring in bigger PG to replace DM.
give them an unprotected raptors 2025 and 2026 pick instead so if its a fawk up, its a complete tear down with trading scottie barnes even in a complete rebuild. i like all or nothing scenarios. if ya gonna do a rebuild do it properly or trade all your picks so when you arrive at that point, you realize you have to do a complete tear down later and do the rebuild right. half ass always gets you half ass results
Truly don’t understand how Jakob name keeps getting thrown out for a trade. It is to no one’s benefit if the Raptors lose 70 games this year which is what will happen if we trade him away. Growth does not come if your slaughtered each game, in fact staff starts asking to be traded is what happens..
if ya 6-10 games under 500 in first 30 games. you dont need a 20 million dollar 29 year old center when ya in a rebuild. you want a high pick then and are bottoming out for a high pick in year 1 of a 4 year rebuild early december. draft a center to develop in year 2-4 of rebuild.
the whole point of a rebuild is to assemble a team through the draft because most of your team is shit. in case you didnt notice, good free agents were not willing to sign in toronto even when they were winning and close to a championship. only way raptors can build a competitive team long term is through the draft. if scottie barnes isnt a true number 1 option who can get you 30-50 ppg, then you will be glad the raptors went into rebuild to find a true number 1 option.
why rebuild, because if scottie barnes is just an upgraded draymon green, thats not good enough to win you a championship. you need a true number 1 option capable of putting up 50 pts and carrying the team through a playoff series. and free agents are not signing in toronto. and in case you didnt see last few years, KD and Dame didnt want to be traded to toronto either.
There are others we can get rid of , not our only true center since Gasol.. I disagree completely, I think we will get better Masais way, he brought us to the championship let’s have some faith in the guy
Jakob has played nearly 70 games in every season, except last season with the ankle sprain (he played 50), He's actually been very durable. There's no reason to think he wont play 68-70 games this year.
Another person who knows nothing about what Jacob Poeltl brings lol, yall must like the taste of your own feet in your mouth. We do need a back up big though but we literally just started a rebuild. We need a lot of things, which take time
@@Crooktwentytwo I explained why already? "Another person who knows nothing about what Poeltl brings", meaning many people flame the guy and what they burning him for isn't even true. "We all know he will probably miss games again", well he been a very healthy player his whole career (minus recent history) and he has the body type of a 7 footer who doesn't injure easily to boot. Then I explained how we don't need to rush anything but developing our guys, meaning we don't need a back up C, we just signed one. You think Nick Richards just going to magically show up on our roster somehow? We need reliable bench too and years of development, hence why I said we just started a rebuild. Anyway, maybe you had some great incite I don't know about but people talk a lot of crap about the guy or demanding the team does this or that and none of it makes sense, so I call it out What we need is patience, which is also exactly what Masai said the fans need
These young delusional kids make me think its best to stay put and develop the youth. Wait a year or two, get some assets, develop some talent and trade for a real piece that knows who he is and fits the team. Not these weird players that no one wants and they require borederline max or max contracts because they think they are good. Trade for picks and build the team right.. many of these dudes way too entitled
Lol. No. Pass. Ill keep Fernando on the deep bench over a wannabe starter who is an EXPIRING contract. Give more mins for Big Gradey ENERGY to work chemistry playing with Scottie. Id rather pick up someone who Masai sees on Brooklyn.
Dude we do not have the money. We still have to pay Gradey, and Jacobe Walter who are both a lot more talented the Kaminga. Not to mention RJ's contract which has to be renewed in 2 years. He is just using Siakam because he knows the Warriors have been trying to get Siakam for a long time.
I think he wants a max contract. How can we afford him with what we pay Scottie, IQ and RJ? I can't see the Raps making this move knowing he wants the max.
JK would be a star in Toronto
If by star you mean 20 mil a year to rebound, defend and cut to the basket at a high level. Sign me up
The star you suggesting he hasn't shown to be at all.. why they can't come to an agreement
Wtf??
@@YakDPOYnah he’d break out for sure lol dude is 21 and a freak athlete
@@dan61909 he is already on a team where he can break out lol. Yet they want to trade him. I not saying I am simply right because GSW saif so. I saying I right because he literally doesn't have that type of game plus he is one of these overconfident diva's trying antics to get big contract. He not some Brandon Ingram even, not smooth like that. Just a cutter who is freak athlete and can do a lot of the dirty work at high level.. if he chooses to do that kind of work
Kuminga would be a wonderful addition. Raptors will be dangerous with him in the line up.
I like the Raptors current PF and SF
Not really, you have too many guys who needs the ball in their hands. Doesn't work like that.
But Kuminga wants north of 30M a yr. How's that gpnna play out for the cap?
It ain’t 😂. He just wants content
You can’t take this seriously….
It won't, he aint worth that anyway
Brown, CB, MLE etc. Not that I'm for or against. But it's not difficult to manage. As well, they are like 9m under the cap at the moment.
It doesn’t matter because kuminga is not getting traded. Kuminga is Golden State’s Tyler Hero, The Kings Keegan Murray, and the Lakers Austin Reaves. Those teams are not trading those guys. You know how many teams have tried to trade for Kuminga ? Even when he was in Kerr’s dog house they still wouldn’t trade him. They could have used him to entice teams into taking Wiggins massive contract and yet they still didn’t want to give him up. They’re not trading him!!
Kuminga won't be traded, it makes 0 sense.
He's a RFA, they just want the market to dictate his contract so they can match.
Kuminga and this years pick would be the last and final touches of the rebuild but he definitely will want that pay day and can he adjust to not having the ball in his hands?
kuminga is too much overlap with barnes, they do similar things and occupy the same space. so dont need kuminga.
Make the trade for Bruce Brown and Chris Boucher get rid of the last B
unfortunately no one does trades at begining of season, the all want to see what they have first before making changes. so earliest december.
Great video boy 🎉
If Kuminga would sign a team friendly contract it would be great.
He wants 200+. Is that team friendly?
Jak is setting expectations low. I think they will compete this year especially with better chemistry going forward ( RJ + IQ and barnes) we already have a certified center, staying healthy will help this quest for another banner.
ya mortgage your house and put that money on raptors winning championship in 2025. i believe in the power of optimism if you do this.
+14 per 100 posessions = Yak + BBQ
thats good, then what? We have a team full of nobodies who need time to develop and learn basketball and you talking banner? I mean, thats pretty wild stuff lol
raptors are competing for bottom 4-5 spots in league. thats about all they are competing for with a depth of 6-7 players and rest rookies and gleague players. dont kid yourself on that boston pre-season game, celtics are a veteran squad and wont play hard in pre-season knowing they are competing for a 2nd championship. if the celtics are on their A game and want to win, they blow the raptors out of the water.
you already see RJ hurt, usually in olympic years , you have more injuries and possible long term injuries mid season from extra wear and tear.
@ben rogers jonathan kuminga is not coming to raptors. it would be like a siakam on the team, too much overlap and occupy the same space basically with scottie barnes. you want even less spacing on the raptors?
Bro Ben..It's not going to Happen. Kuminga will be a warrior next year.. either on a contact of his choice or warriors get to keep him at a good rate
dont need kuminga, he does similar things as scottie and occupies the same space. would be worse spacing as well. scottie is the better player so dont need kuminga.
We don't need Kuminga. The money he will want is out of our reach, besides which, there will be better all round players available in the 2025 draft. Kuminga's a great athlete sure, but, let's not forget it's a team game.
Is Kuminga really that good?
Very high ceiling if he can put it together and at 22 has time to reach his potential. Plus hes seems motivated to show how good he can be
@@terrancedavis4851 he had half a season, have to see how he adjust when people have tape on him and guard him the right way this season if his stats go up or down with tape on him now.
If we get JK, we can go all in and win right now he will make that big of a difference
no you cant. its basically the same problem with siakam. kuminga does similar things as barnes and occupies the same space. would lead to worse spacing as well. what ya gonna do give kuminga the ball over scottie? kuminga isnt even a good defender.
We seem to keep looking at players with an upside. I want a player who is already there. We train them then they leave for more money. Tired of being a farm team for other teams.
🔥JK to Toronto
Davion Mitchell for Kuminga straight up. Trade machine shows increased wins for both teams.
thats false, kuminga does similar things as barnes and occupies the same space. so worse spacing as well. kuminga isnt good at defence either so jakob and barnes would still have to cover up for 3 bad defenders.
Hell no, he needs the ball in his hands to get his game off
His defense ain’t all that,
Not worth.
He actualy doesn't though. Its what he thinks he needs to get his game off. His biggest problem is thinking he some iso socring wing when he just is not. His talents make him a rebounding defending cutter but that won't get him paid by some sorry team lol
@@YakDPOY idk man, maybe I haven’t seen him play enough, but he’s definitely giving me fvv flashbacks with his attitude. Not feeling his vibes
@@HiAmDerks I haven't seen a ton.. i just listen to enough podcasts and look for it when I do watch them. He doesn't really get into his bag or nothing, doesn't seem to have one, can't run a pNr. Is just a really good cutter and athlete with potential on Defence, I actually think he would be quite nice to have if like you say, he didn't have that Diva bet on yourself nonsense going on and he got paid for what he is not some fake future prospect
Kuminga can be another cam reddish
Ayeeeee
We don't even have the money to keep kuminga , this is just a dream
How would they pay him?
You have two (maybe 3 or possible 4) contracts to sign up by next season and two seasons after. Grady (maybe O'j) , Shead looks like his could demand money soon, and this years rookie if he turns out, are all going to want signifigant jumps.
Everything you're worried about is kind of staggered over the next few seasons. How are you worried about Shead already when he hasn't even played an real game?
Bruce, Chris, MLE, and other possibilities... there is a lot of flexibility.
@@notDonaldFagen nobody's worried - it's called understanding the variable cost of the future. It's something adults (should) do if they want to help avoid "situations" to keep financially prosperous. The team doesn't want to Golden State themselves in being a top heavy financial strapped team. Giving away future stars because they can't count.
you want Grady / RJ off the bench? No. 30m for a bench player? No. So, how would this make sense?
nah, we need a young center, not another forward that wants ball and money for nothing lol
It’s likely limited by Wiggins. JK has to wait for Wiggins to get moved before getting paid. They learned from Poole. And already had paid out lots of tax in the past. Wiggins been depressed last year with the situation with his kids not being his kids . While Bruce could do the trade for Wiggins, do we want him for the remainder of his contract ? And who has to throw in more? Is Wiggins a value to throw in some seconds? Or will warriors need to add and loose moody or some other prospect ? I think adding Boucher might be possible but the money seems to high going out , so who is added to come back ?
dude two 2nds is nowhere near enough compensaton to eat 87 million of wiggins contract over next 3 years. you would still need a top 3 protected pick in there if they gave moody. without moody an unprotected pick and likey two 2nds
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bro... think about this.... $109 mill just with Barnes, Quickley and Barrett.....$109 million!!! lol
If they're trading with GSW.
It's to get paid for taking Wiggins contract. Maybe Andrew could get a boost like RJ in playing home.
Would trade Brown for Wiggins and the 2 2nd Rd draft pick they got from ATL
if you think the atlanta picks are gonna be good, you smoking crack. atlanta was a play in team before dejounte murray. and they actually got more size and defence they needed. plus atlanta has no reason to tank with spurs owing their picks for next 3-4 years
Make it happen now!! I just want Bruce brown off this team by all means!
why and i mean why the hell would we want kuminga when we have barnes and barrett? He's gonna want north of 30mil
if they can make the money work
You forgetting he wants a MAX lmfao.
This doesn't make sense we need good role players a team doesn't need more than 2 alphas.... look at the last couple of years
No trade
Just rumors, with money Barnes 💰 about to get when that rookie max officially kicks in,nah nope 🙅♂️.maybe when Cap goes up Masai move few pieces we'll see in the future what unfolds.
I'm not sold on the "timeline" method but this would be a huge improvement...possibly attract other talent(Ingram) to The North. They have to pay someone to improve...Pay This Man.
We are at the cap, right now. Will have 120 mil in 4 players next year and GD will be getting paid not long after that. So you want to add Kuminga, so we can attract Ingram. Pay tjem both and go well past the second apron to get two guys who don't play team basketball. They aren't desired by their own teams because they want too much money to not fit within the scheme of a team. You want that as our future? Why lol
Kuminga isn't a max player. Good role player, not a star.
Jak + 2026 Pacers first = Herb Jones + Ives Missi. Then. BB + 2028 second = Clint Capela + Hou 2028. We would have to pay and waive Bruno.
Herb fits better as D-3 that guards PG to SF and some PF with good contract and we can’t pay JK. This gives N.O. Very Good C that knows how to play both ends to help Zion. They also have good wings that can replace Herb. Their next move is find a new home for CJ without taking $ beyond expire so they can sign BI to more money. Maybe not max but more than today. ATL wants to get off one of 2 wings with three year contracts maybe Bruce helps them move?
PG: IQ, DM, JS SG: RJB, J’KW, OA, GT SF: Herb J, GD, OA PF: SB, KO, JM C: CC, Ives M, CB
Gel this year to top 8 in East then next year complete for top 5-6 keep supporting and growing BBQ. Next Offseason try to sign CC for a little less and use draft BPA and bring in bigger PG to replace DM.
give them an unprotected raptors 2025 and 2026 pick instead so if its a fawk up, its a complete tear down with trading scottie barnes even in a complete rebuild. i like all or nothing scenarios. if ya gonna do a rebuild do it properly or trade all your picks so when you arrive at that point, you realize you have to do a complete tear down later and do the rebuild right. half ass always gets you half ass results
Check out Luke Beasley... he stole your hairdo ...
Truly don’t understand how Jakob name keeps getting thrown out for a trade.
It is to no one’s benefit if the Raptors lose 70 games this year which is what will happen if we trade him away.
Growth does not come if your slaughtered each game, in fact staff starts asking to be traded is what happens..
if ya 6-10 games under 500 in first 30 games. you dont need a 20 million dollar 29 year old center when ya in a rebuild. you want a high pick then and are bottoming out for a high pick in year 1 of a 4 year rebuild early december. draft a center to develop in year 2-4 of rebuild.
the whole point of a rebuild is to assemble a team through the draft because most of your team is shit. in case you didnt notice, good free agents were not willing to sign in toronto even when they were winning and close to a championship. only way raptors can build a competitive team long term is through the draft. if scottie barnes isnt a true number 1 option who can get you 30-50 ppg, then you will be glad the raptors went into rebuild to find a true number 1 option.
why rebuild, because if scottie barnes is just an upgraded draymon green, thats not good enough to win you a championship. you need a true number 1 option capable of putting up 50 pts and carrying the team through a playoff series. and free agents are not signing in toronto. and in case you didnt see last few years, KD and Dame didnt want to be traded to toronto either.
There are others we can get rid of , not our only true center since Gasol..
I disagree completely, I think we will get better Masais way, he brought us to the championship let’s have some faith in the guy
We need a solid backup center cuz we all know jakob will probably miss games again
Jakob has played nearly 70 games in every season, except last season with the ankle sprain (he played 50), He's actually been very durable. There's no reason to think he wont play 68-70 games this year.
Another person who knows nothing about what Jacob Poeltl brings lol, yall must like the taste of your own feet in your mouth. We do need a back up big though but we literally just started a rebuild. We need a lot of things, which take time
@@YakDPOY whats wrong withyou litterally agreeing with me but insulting me in the process lmao
@@Crooktwentytwo I explained why already? "Another person who knows nothing about what Poeltl brings", meaning many people flame the guy and what they burning him for isn't even true. "We all know he will probably miss games again", well he been a very healthy player his whole career (minus recent history) and he has the body type of a 7 footer who doesn't injure easily to boot. Then I explained how we don't need to rush anything but developing our guys, meaning we don't need a back up C, we just signed one. You think Nick Richards just going to magically show up on our roster somehow? We need reliable bench too and years of development, hence why I said we just started a rebuild. Anyway, maybe you had some great incite I don't know about but people talk a lot of crap about the guy or demanding the team does this or that and none of it makes sense, so I call it out
What we need is patience, which is also exactly what Masai said the fans need
@ScottieDPOYY u think ur cooking but ur reading way to deep into what I said buddy. Jakob WILL MISS GAMES. That's all I said hahahahaha
Kuminga and Scottie don’t fit together in a starting lineup
No thank you. I’d rather trade for Herb Jones.
Click bait holy heck
No thanks
I’ll take draft picks with salary dump
He doesn’t fit around Scottie at all
These young delusional kids make me think its best to stay put and develop the youth. Wait a year or two, get some assets, develop some talent and trade for a real piece that knows who he is and fits the team. Not these weird players that no one wants and they require borederline max or max contracts because they think they are good. Trade for picks and build the team right.. many of these dudes way too entitled
Lol. No. Pass. Ill keep Fernando on the deep bench over a wannabe starter who is an EXPIRING contract. Give more mins for Big Gradey ENERGY to work chemistry playing with Scottie.
Id rather pick up someone who Masai sees on Brooklyn.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I don't think this happens. The rumors stem from the "Masai Ujiri loves Africans" crap.
Dude we do not have the money. We still have to pay Gradey, and Jacobe Walter who are both a lot more talented the Kaminga. Not to mention RJ's contract which has to be renewed in 2 years. He is just using Siakam because he knows the Warriors have been trying to get Siakam for a long time.
If Kuminga played defense he'd be as good as Isaac Okoro!
I think he wants a max contract. How can we afford him with what we pay Scottie, IQ and RJ? I can't see the Raps making this move knowing he wants the max.
Hello no he's a overrated bricklayer. Rather go after Brandon Ingram.